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HomeMy WebLinkAboutPB-03/01/1966 a Southold Town Planning Board SOUTHOLD, L. I., N. Y. PLANNING BOARD MEMBERS John Wickham, Chairman Henry Moisa. Alfred Grebe Archibald Young William Unkelbach M I N U T E S SOUTHOLD TOWN PLANNING BOARD March lt. 1966 A regular meeting of the Southold Town-'Planning Board was held at 7:30 P.M.,, Tuesdays March 1, 1966,r , at the Town Officer Main Road,- Southold,. New York. There were present: Messrs: Joljn Wickham,_ Chairman, Henry Moisa, Alfred Grebe,-- Archibald Young, and William Unkelbach. - Also Present: Messrs: Rod Van Tuyl.,, Consultant) Howard Terry, Building Inspector;, Raymond Dean, Superintendent of Highways. Mr. Frank Born appeared before the Planning Board to discuss the park and playground requirements for the sub- division to be known as "Salt Aire 'Estates", located at Mattituckr New York. This property is owned and developed by Casbors Ind. THE CHAIRMAN: We,k the Planning Board haventt discussed what would be required for park and playground and we haven't reached a decision. It's something we canst settle in the immediate future. We have hope, and there is a case pending Southold Town' Plann'ing Board -2- March 1,z 1966 the Town Attorney tells us that-may cl&rify -the situation. There have been several attempts by different Planning Boards of the State to have a cash equivalent. MR. BORN: There is a Town 'Park just a block away. THE CHAIRMAN: It isn't fair to one developerpjust because he is one block away from an existing parkrnot to have to make park and playground provisions. This is unrealistic. We can not act arbitrarily. -. What we could like to do for some of these developers is to say, letts have a cash equivalent based on the assessed value of a lot or whatever is is., and put it where it will do the most good, which we thin7S would be the public parks or public beaches. If a cash equivalent deal can not be worked out, the Planning Board might ask you to put up lot 32 which is next to the recharge basin for dedication to the Town. Would that be any hardship? MR. BORN: It would only be a monetary hardship. None of ; these lots have been sold yet. (It was agreed by the Board add Mr. Born that it would be better tohave a park and playground fund rather than dedicate land: if this can be worked out,) MR. YOUNG: We like to get these things ironed out. OUr decisions are based on what is best for the Town of Southold and the developer. We have to work together. We can't act arbitrarily and then in three months change our minds. MR.' MOISA: perhaps we will have an answer on this park and playground fund at the ne.eting next Wednesday. THE CHAIRMAN: Letys . leave it open for awhile. If it does come down to dedication we will require that lot number 32 be dedicated. You will have to renumber the lots. The County Clerk insist that all lots be numbered consecutively. MR. BORN:. WE WONIT do anything with that lot at the present time then. THE CHAIRMAN: When you have the final maps prepared keep that lot in your name or the cciporation name and it can be sold by description if not dedicated to the Town. Southold- Town' Planning Board -3- March' 1t1966 MR* BORN: The final maps have .already been prepared-,- ROD -VAN TUYL: This is going to foul up the numbering. Mr. Unkelbach suggedted that the lot ,can retain its number and there should be put on themap on lot #32 that it is for possible dedication tothe Town of. Southold. • Either lot number 31 or lot number 32 can be .set aside by the developer for possible dedication tothe Town of Southold. Mr. Born stated that most of the test holes for the water have been taken. A copy of the new highway specificat�ns were given to Mr. Born for the construction of the roads. Mr. Born is to comply to the Highway'Specification of the Town Of Southold when constructing said roads. The Chairman advised Mr. Born to check- with the County" Clerk- in regard to retaining the number on- either lot number 32 or lot number 31 and putting on the map "for possible dedication tothe Town of Southold". . He also advised Mr. Born that if everything was in order at -the next .meeting this subdivision could .be set up for a hearing. Walter Kappj- Esq.- appeared before the Board in regard to the application of Frederick Rich:. applying for ah Open Development Area, THE CHAIRMAN: We have had .some discussion on this. There are two good alternatives on this proposal. One alternative ..would be tommake this a one way right of ways, and then have an entrdce from Boisseau Avenue on this side ;(pointing to map) . The other alternative might be to move these buildings on this location. ;(pointing to map) WALTER KAPF' ESQo: How wide would a one way road have to be? THE CHAIRMAN: Twenty feet. , Therother alternative would be to have it just as it is laid out here and have it two wayr,; but widen it- to a mininum .of 30 feet. You would have to move your buildings closer together. I hope you understand thaththis comes to us for our suggestions and approval and we can't say that you have to , o ,it. We are trying to work in cooperation with all the deve3•0ppr.s. Southold Town Planning Board .-a4- March 1; 1966 WALTER KAPP,, ESQ.: Personally,,,, I think that the one way street idea is pretty good. THE CHAIRMAN: It would give more room for parking. He won't have to have these circles ;(pointing to map) . , . WALTER 'IWP;.,ESQ.: He wants the circles. There is a little malk there so that the people don't step right out on the road. THE' CHAIRMAN: It was our opinion that one way would make much better access. MR. .UNKELBACH: The only thing I am concerned about is the five foot set back. What about snow removal? MR. YOUNG: I don't like this. We are making the same mistakes that were made 40 years ago. WALTER KAkP.vESQ.: In what .way? MR. YOUNG: Too narrow- roads, People are going to park along the curb. There is going to be a mess heree it isn't going to be very good planning. We have the same type of thing in Gardiners Bay' Estates. The original owners of the lots have all died and now the people want the roads taken care of and snow removal. . We have the same thing up at Camp Mineola..- Lupton's ' Point,O- Cleaves ' Point. The property holders have to maintain the roads. Another one is Calves Neokr they are all two rode. roads. That is nothing more than ,a cow path. I will register a negative vote for anything less than 50 foot roads. I am sitting on the Planning Board to give my experience and knowledge to the Town of Southold. That is the way I feel. I will vote negative on anything less than 50 feet. I don't want to be arbitrary but when you say these narrow roads are okay I can't agree. We had the same thing in M&neolar now they 'are ,tearing down buildings to make parking spaces. Are we going to have the same thing happen here? Not if ' I am on the Planning Board. Southold Town Planning Board -5- March 1, 1966 THE 'CHAIRMAN: I agree with you as far as subdivisions are concerned, but this is approval of access.. MR. YOUNG: This is the same thing. There has to be a road in front of the property. THE CHAIRMAN: This is one which we have no authority over. MR. YOUNG: I am not going to have my name attached to a recommendation ' I don't believe in. WALTER KAPP,ESQ.: There .is one thing I would like to call your attention to Mr. Young, we have a parking area that will be used. MR. YOUNG:- Don't think that -I don't think this is a very good thing for the Town of Southold. If you were sitting in my- chair and had the same experiences I had, you would feel the same way. MR. UNKELBACH:- Th.ere is another problems what'`s going to happen when the ownership, changes hands? What prevents the new owner from taking the one way sign out of there in five or ten years. I agree with Archi. The ownership can change. WALTER KAPPrESQ.: I don't know what Mr. Rich will think about -this. If the on,[ way street is in operation I think anyone would.be foolish to change it. THE CHAIRMAN:- Could we specify that a condition of this approval should be one way streets. Possibilyddnaw up a legal instrument binding the land to a one-way operation. MRS,. UNKELBACH: Whatever the suceeding owner does with the land he has a right to ah . THE CHAIRMAN: . Covenctts could be drawn up that go with the land and not with the owner. MR. YOUNG: You can see what we are up against here. Mr. ' Rich isn''t going to be here forever. if someone else gets ahold of itthey could make a slum out of it. . WALTER KAPP:,, ESQ.: Anyone could make a slum out of it if they wanted to. MR. YOUNG: We are sitting on this Board trying the best way we know how to avoid mistakes that other people have made. Southold .Town `,Planning Board -6- March lr 1966 RAYMOND' DEAN: You .c6uld stagger one sidegarking.. THE CHAIRMAN-: There should be 20 feet clear and no parking. on.. the 2.0 feet. (no further discussion held on the muter .of the application of- Frederick' Rich for an" Opeii;,';D'evl�opmerit Area.) The Planning Board held .a joint meeting with the .Village o_f Greenport 'Planning Board to ftcuss the matter of the proposed annexation to the Village of Greenport. Those present from the Village of Greenport -were: John 'Sherwood,, James Monsell:l. Harry Monsellz Henry Bunce, Bernard .Van Poperingz and William Quinn. The map, of the proposed annexation tothe 'Village of Greenport was laid out for everyone to view. Mr. Sherwood stated that the Greenport Village Planning 'Board .had not seen the map. He stated that he saw it about three weeks ago. Mr. Sherwood felt that the property line should be ,straighten out . It was stated that there are 250 acres of land that are proposed to be annexed. 100 acres of this land is not taxable. - Mr. Unkelbach inquired about the legal .aspect of this Proposal. There was a question as to whether or not a referendum would be required for the annexation of the property in question. The Chairman stated that the Planning Board wasn't too concerned about the assessed valuation. He stated that the Planning Board .is more interested in the Town of Southold and the Village of Greenport. The Chairman stated that he realized the Village of Greenport had some .very real problems as far as expansion is concerned. The Chairman stated that the Planning Board can only recommend this proposal to the- Southold Town Board. Hoveverz The Planning" Board can recommend further that the possibility of straightening out some of the property lines be explored. . This would be something the Village Board and the Town Board would have to make arrangements on. Another possibility would be to have this proposal voted on 'in the next election. - Southold Town Planning 'Board --7- March lr 1966 Mr. Sherwood stated that the property that the New York . Telephone Company building is located.on is left out of the proposed annexation. He stated that they would like to include this in the annexation. Mr. Young asked if the Village of Greenport had first refusal on the telephone building presently being used. It was stated that no deal has been made but the village has asked for first refusal on this property and building. Mr. Sherwood stated that the Village would like to bring the property of the Silvermere Motel into the 'Village limits because the Silvermere Motel needs their sewage disposal system. The Chairman "explained the proceedure on recommending this proposal to the Southold Town Board. The Chairman further stated that the Board felt they should recommend this annexation as proposed and shown on the map.;, and further recommend that the property lines be straightened out in the interest of the Village of 'Greenport. An Airial photograph of the proposed annexation was presented and all present viewed it. - A discussion wass held on what procedure would be necessary to include these other properties in the Vilbge of Greenport in oa;der to straighten out the lines. The Chairman advised the Village that there had been an application for a change of acne on- the corner of the North Road and Moore='s' Lane. He- advised that a shopping center was proposed .here. Howevers,. he pointed out that 'it was' a very wellllandscapeddand very well planed shopping center. 'If the property lines for the annexation of Greenport -.were straighten out, this property proposed for a shopping center would be- taken into the Village of Greenport. - The Chairman stated .that the Planning Board felt somewhat obligated to Mr. Nelsenr owner of the property in questions because his attorney had discussed very throughly with the Planning Board the plans for the property. Mr.- Sherwood stated that Mr. Nelsen would like to come- within the Village limits for the sewage system. The Possibility of having' a shopping center located' in Greenport was briefly discussed. Southold Town Planning Board --8-- March is 1966 I On motion by Mr. Moisa, seconded by Mr. Grebe,, it was RESOLVED: WHEREAS.. the' Southold Town .Board has requested the Southold Town' Planning Board to make a recommendation:-on the proposed annexation to the Village of Greenport as shown on� the map by`Otto Van Tuyl & Son,, dated October 27, 1965, and WHEREAS the Southold Town' Planning Boardhas met with the Greenport Village Planning Board to discuss this proposal, NOW THEREFORE �BE IT RESOLVED that the Southold Town Planning Board recommend to the Southold Town Board the land of the Village of Greenport as shown on- a certain map by Otto Van Tuyl &- Son, engineers and surveyors,, dated -October 27, 1965 be annexed within the Village limits of the Village of Greenport; IT IS FURTHER RECOMMENDED that other lands beginning at the present westerly Village line .on the north side of Front Street ;(Main Road-State Road 23). and running westerly along .the northerly side of said Main Road to the westerly limits of the Village of Greenport property" at Pellzs Garage; thence northerly to the southerly.line of the North Road ',(county Road no. 27) ; - thence easterly along the southerly line of said - County 'Road .No. .27 to the westerly side of Moorers Lane; thence southerly to a point where a direct extension of Washington ,Avenue would intersect- Moore's Lane; thence easterly on the southerly line o.f' Washington Avenue extended to the present Village line. - Said lands.. not shown on the aforesaid maps should also be included within the Village limits .of the Village of Greenport as soen ' as all necessary legal steps can be taken. Vote of -the Board: Ayes:-- Mr. Wickham.. Mr. Moisa,- -Mr. Grebes Mr. Youngs, Mr. Unkelbach. The above resolution was favorable to those present from the .Village of Greenport. On motion 'by Mr. Moisar, seconded by Mr. Unkelbachr it was RESOLVED that the minutes of the Southold Town Planning Board dated February 15s 1966r be approved as submitted. Vote of the Board: Ayes:- Mr. Wickhama Mr, Moisa, Mr. Grebe, Mr. Young, Mr. Unkelbach. Southold Town Planning Board -9- March 1,, 1966 The Plannigg 'Board again discussed the application of Frederick Rich for an' ' Open-Development Area. It was the opinion of the Planning Board that at least 24 feet is needed. for the right of way and the right of way should be made� one way. It was pointed out that it would be essential to use the parking area. It was also pointed out that the two proposed .units on the north side of-Southold Fire 'District and Dednoski would have to be moved -further- nor th. It.twas, further pointed out that provisions for cat3h basins would have to. be provided to take care of the drainage on the applicant"s property. There was a question as to whether or- not.- adequate parking was provided for the number of dwelling units on the property. This has not been determined yet. Howard Tetry, Building Inspector, pointed out that this property in question has changed ownership several times in the past year .on paper. It was the feeling of the Planning Board that it would be better to recommend this' Open,'Development Area favorably and put restrictions on it.., rather than to not recommend this proposal favorably:. The Planning 'Board took the following action: In the matter of the petit-ion -of-:Frederick- P.- Richr SoutYn ld, New York -relative to an application for an Open ' Development Area in accordance with Section 280A of the State of New York' Town Law., on property located west of the property of- Southold Fire 'District =on the north side -of MainRoadr : Southoldl New York.. extending north to the. Long Island R,ailroad- and :east to Boisseau Avenue.. approximately 6 acres of land having the metes and bounds set forth in the survey 'annexed to the applicationZ _ map by` Otto W.- Van' Tuyl. &- Son=,, On motion by Mr. Moisar_ seconded by Mr. Youngs it was RESOLVED that the Southold Town Planning Board recommend to the` Southold Town Board the establishment of said open development area on .said property described above.. subject to :, the following conditions: 1. There shall be required a mininum twenty-four (24) foot one way right of ways all paved= in view of the fact that 24 feet is needed to get into the parking area especially when the vehicles will be driven by elderly people. w Southold Town Planning Board .-10- March l.. 1966 2. In view„of the fact that some of the property in question- has.: changed ownership several times-,on papers- a legal instrument should be drawn up to bind the minimum twenty-four (24) foot one way right of way to the land and .not to the owner. 3. .The, two proposed buildings .on the north side of Southold Fire 'District and on the north side of property of Bednosky shall be moved further' north in order to provide adequate property line setback. 4.- Provisions for drainage must be made on the applicants property. . 5.; The Planning Board points out that this property should have been a subdivisions in view of the fact that all physical features and area point to a subdivision. Vote of the Board: Ayes:-- Mr. Wickham.. Mr. Moisar Mr. Grebe..,Mr. . Young� Mr. Unkelbach. Im view of- the fact that the Highway'Specifications of the Town of Southold have been amended; On motion by.Mr. Moisar, seconded by' Mr. Grebes, it was RESOLVED thatl_-:the Rules & Regulations for the -Subdivision of:Land,. :Town of Southold be amended as follows: 1. By amending Section 5 ' "IMPROVEMENTS114 Item 2. to . read: .. SECTION 5 ".IMPROVEMENTS".r . ITEM 2: .All streets shall conform to the Highway.'Specifications of the Town of Southold. IT WAS FURTHER RESOLVED that a public hearing be held on the -above proposed amendment -at 7:30 P.41. (E.'S.T•),r: Tuesdays. April . 5,i- :1966.. - at the Town' OfficerMain Road,- Southoldi New York. Vote of the Board:- Ayes: Mr. Wickhamr Mr. Moist.. Mr. Grebe.. Mr. Young;' Mr. Unkelbach. Southold Town Planning Board _11- March lr 1966 The Southold Town Planning Boar received notices of amendments to .the..Riverhead Town` Zoning .Ordinance and the Southampton Town ,Zoning..Ordinance. Said amendment notices were placed on file. : A letter was received from 'James' R. Manning in regard to the dedication of the highways at Race Point- Corp. Mr. Manning said that the building located, on Reservoir *.Road would be removed in. the riear: future and .would like action to be taken " on the other roads at Race' Point Corp. :.Aor .dedication. On motion by Mr. GrebeF seconded by Mr. Moisar, it .was RESOLVED that a letter be written to James P. Manning advising him that the Planning Board felt it would be better to wait until the building is actualiy .removed from Reservoir Road.. then dedication for . all the highways at=Race' RointCorp. - could.be taken care of at one time. Vote of the Board: Ayes: Mr. .Wickhamz.-Mr.. .Moisas, Mr, Grebe-,, Mr. Young..,, Mr. Unkelbach. The Chairman advised the other memflaers of the Board that he had "tols William".Wickham,. Esq that the Board would reach some decision on the matter of the proposed change-- of aDne on the property of Peter Harvey. ''Dury'Estate. . William .Wickhamr Esq. has a client who is iderested in mpeni.ng "a gasoline station at the location. The Board viewed -the tax.map and considered the adjoining properties. It was pointed out that therewas no business property- adjoining this property or across the streg-- from.-this property.. Therefore a change of zone in this location could constitute spot zoning. It was also pointed out that there is a gasoline serviLce station located approximately 2,000 feet easterly" of this property on the same side of the road. This property in question is also located approximately 200 feet from a churbh. - It- was pointed out that all business operations must be location' a certain distance from a church. it was. agreed "that 'a letter be written to William,Wickham Esq advising him that in view of the fact that the property inquestion is located near a church, and a minimum distance must be kept from the church,,, it- is unadvisable to use this property for the purpose. intended. Southold Town' Planning' Board -12- March It 1966 Mr. Rod Van Tuyl presented to the' Board a preliminary map of'Eastern Shores at- Greenportv,- Section V. This section is located to the south of-Section IV of Eastern' Shores. This, parcel contains approximately 15 acres and has 27 ,10ts. It was pointed out that this.property slopes from north 'to south. The elevation runs from 40 to about' 20. The applicant's would like tentative approval on this subdivision inoorder to commence construction' of the roads. On motion'by Mr. Moisa,,, seconded by Mr. Grebe,, it was K v RESOLVED that tentative approval be given to the subdivZi+�tn� g to be-known as' Eastern Shores at Greenportv- Section V', .located-►. ;, at: Greenport:,, Town of Southoldm,- Suffolk- Countyz. New York, consisting of: a parcel of land 14. 96 acres, owned and developed by'H:J.S.-. Land &' Development: Corp, and J.M.S Land & Development Corp.i map by" Otto W. Van Tuyl & Son,. dated December 22,E 1965., Vote'.of the Board: Ayes:--'Mr.: Wickham, Mr. Moi:sa, Mr.. Grebez mr. Youngs. Mr. Unkelbach. The -next regular meeting .of'the� Southold Town Planning Board will be held at- 7:30' P.M,s. Tuesday,,, April 5.,, 19661 at the Town Office$, Ma;,n- Roads.- Southoldz. New York. -The meeting was adjourned at-10:30 P M, Respectfully submitted=. Barbara- C.- Dittmannr,- Secretary Southold Town, Planning Board JOHN-;WICKHAM:Z' CHAIRMAN