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Home My WebLink AboutPB-01/27/1966-JOINT K. Southold Town Planning Board SOUTHOLD, L. I., N. Y. PLANNING BOARD MEMBERS "John Wickham, Chairman Henry Moisa Alfred Grebe Archibald Young William Unkelbach M I N U T E S JOINT MEETING January 2% 1966 A joint meeting of Riverhead Town Planning Board and Southold Town Planning Board together-with their consultant engineerse. Town Supervisors and representatives from the County and State Department of Public• Workse was held at Riverhead Town Halle. Roanoke Avenue,, Riverheade New Yorke on Thursdayr January 274 1966. There were present: Riverhead Town Supervisor Robert Vojvoda, Southold Town Supervisor 'Lester' M. Albertson.. Superintendent Rudalph Kammerer of County`Department of Public Works and his first deputy•William Matsunayer. Jr.•r Mr, John Toth and Peter' Halbin of the New York State Depart- ment of Public'Workse from the Riverhead Town Planning Board: Corwin Tuthille John Dunne. Hough Wilson,. Alden Younge. P.E. 1 Helen .Guyere, Clerk. From the Southold Town Planning Board: John Wickham..,: Archibald Young... Henry Moisat Otto Van Tuylr.P.E.,;. Lawrence Tuthille P.E. s. and Howard Terry... Building Inspector.,, The meeting was called to order at 8:15 P.M.•e. by Mr. Corwin Tuthilla. . acting chairman. 1 Joint Meeting -2_ January 27, 1966 Mr. Kammerer and Mr. Matsunaye displayed a large map .made from an- airial photo with the proposed new County Road from . Sound Avenue and Cox Neck Road,,. Mattituck,, westerly running . along the Long Island Lighting Company hightension line., north of. Jamesport and Aqueborgue ,then 'aosss: the' Peconic River,, east of Riverhead Village to connect`.,witY_,Route :'24 and the new highways surrounding the County-Center' Complex 'and legs to connectvtth Sunrise Highway (Route 27), and the Riverhead-Moriches 'Roads also a proposed future leg to connect with Route 25 and the 'Long Island Expressways, west of Riverhead Village. Mr.- Corwin Tuthill spoke for the' Riverhead Planning Board .and stated• he thought this ,was about the best route and way to lay-out this road so, thz*,ggh-,., sa0fic does not have to go through the Village or County' Road '58': They might like to see the river crossing changed to a little 'fu<ther east if possible. The question of how many north and south roads would be ' cut off by this .new road was raised. Mr. Matsunaye stated this . will be an, "uncontrolled access road" at present so, all streets will have intersections. at least for the time being. The question of how the road will affect Riverhead Central District'02 . proposed new .school at Jamesport was raised.. Their property is adjacent to the proposed new road. - After discussion it was agreed that probably the road will be an asset to the school by giving better access than. the present town highways. However,. if the school authorities want to' get another location ituas felt they could dispose of this property -to- good advantage at any time. After 'a lenghty discussionz. it was generally agreed this is as good a route as can be hoped for' and' all necessary steps should be taken. by both Planning and Town Boards and Couiu&y Public' Works Department 'to get this' approved and on the State' Highway System immediately. Means of financing right of way purchases and constructing the road were discussed together with just how far and":.how much the County can do. It was brought out that bridges for railroads cannot be built with County funds. There must be State or - Federal funds and they are subject to approval of the Public Service Commission. :u y Joint Meeting -•3- January 27, 1966 The' Supervisors present stated they will do all they -can to get- this proposed road started as soon as possible. At this time a colored map from the Riverhead Town'.Master Plan showing existing and proposed highways was shown and explsed by Alden Young. There was a long discussion by all on the proposed Long Island Expressway'Extension north of the Riverhead business area and the connecting roads planned for the County"Center area south of the River. Much concern was expressed over the traffic jam at the present- circle south of the Village and the possibility of complicating this,,dth more through traffic. It was suggested another route further south b set- up for through traffic. More airial photos will be taken in this area. Other arterial connecting roads in mind will be shown. -There was some discussion on widths of right-of-ways to be acquired and for' "turn' off and acceleration" lanes at inter- sections.> Mi.. Matsunaye stated these- are a "must" and will' .be provided an -all the new roads. He discussed the experimental widening of south ,-end of Medford Avenuei- Patchogue. - This may be a pattern for- future highways.Where width of- right-of-way is limitecy t is possible they will use this pattern north of Greenport when they widen that section of Route 27A. There was further discussion on crossing the Peconic River. Mr. Kammerer stated he has planned a fixed span bridge with maximum 35 feet clearance. He will keep it as low as possible to keep the cost down. It seems only small sail boats use this part of the river and there are not too many of them. The swamp area on the south side of the .river is very soft and -will require excuvating of mud and backfilling with- sound material to support the highway. More tests and studies of this are in progress now. If it can be done without too much expense they may shift the bridge a little further east. There was a brief discussion on the Connecticut Bridge Report, Supervisor Lester Albertson is the only person present that had seen a bridge report so not much discussion could be held on it. Mr. John Toth stated that- further legislation is necessary to extend the expressway past Route 58 at Riverhead. This is supposed to be under contract by 1967 and completed in 1968, and opened by 1969. It seems they are having some trouble getting the right of way at present. Joint Meeting -4- January 27, 1966 There was a discussion of trading Route 58 with the State for' Route 25 through Riverhead Village area. �'It-was felt that by the time this could be done Route 58 will be -built up too much to change and it would be better to have an extension of the Expressway north of all the business area for through traffic. This. could be terminated at the new highway first. discussed for the time being, at least so the main stream of through traffic will have some open road to absorb it.' Mr. Toth thought any extension of the expressway east of Route 58 at Riverhead would be a regular four lane .dual highway with 110 to 120 feet- width-,. but he was not sure of this at this time. There was a brief discussion of future widening of Route 27 in- Southold Town and the- possibility of a bridge to' Shelter' Island' and the south side. Most felt this is a most practical route. Cedar' Beach to Jessups and New Suffolk to Cow' Neck by way of Robins Island were considered as impractical and not acheiving AXERX]JX enough good to the� publi.c for the cost and difficulties involved. It was felt Robins Island should continue as it is for the time being and in the future should be over by the Town as a park or recreation area. Most felt that' a majority of the residents on Shelter' Island would be in _favor° of' a- bridge instead of a ferry -boat if the roads were laid- out properly. , Mr. Toth stated that the- State Will probably rebuild the Sunrise Highway west of. Sayville before they extend. east,,. -even tho surveys are in progress now. There was . some discussion on renumbering some 'of' the County -Roads to avid some of the confusion created by similar route' and road numbers in different parts of the County. Superintendent Kammerer is to- look. into .this. Southold's Master Plan tax base map was shown so- that properties affected by the proposed new road in western Southold Town could be identified. The meeting was adjourned at- ` t.30' P.M. with a vote of thanks. to our hosts for their. hospitality. Respectfully sub mIttedr, Howard Terry,. Secretary Pro Tem /b d