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HomeMy WebLinkAboutPB-02/01/1968 Southold Town Planning Board � T d • O� SOUTHOLD. L. I., N. Y. 11971 PLANNING BOARD MEMBERS John Wickham, Chairman Henry Molsa Alfred Grebe William Unkelbach Frank Coyle M I-N U T'E S SOUTHOLD TOWN PLANNING BOARD February. 27, 1968 -A regular meeting of the'Southold Town Planning Board was held at 7:30 P.M , Thursday, February'27, 1968, at . the Town� Office, MainRoad, Southold, New York. There were present:- Messrs:: John Wickham, Chairman; Henry Moisa, Vice'Chairman; Frank Coyle, Alfeed Grebe. - Absent: Mr:. William Unkelbach Also. aresent: Messrs: Howard Terry, Building Inspector; Otto Van Tuyl, Consultant; Raymond Dean, Superintendent of HIghways: PUBLIC HEARING: Upon question of approval of the following, plat: Plat of property owned by'Rene- Gendron, entitled Vista Bluff, consisting of a parcel of land of' 8.1 acres, situated at'Cutchogue, in the Town of Southold,- Suffolk- County, New York, and bounded and described as follows: Southold Town Planning: Board -2- February 1,. 1968 RICHARD LARK, ESQ. : I went over...this,_.._extensively with Mr. Young, the surveyor, and Mr. Young,. the partner .in this. As far' asihe layout of this,every n9n this side of Beebe Drive Extension is in excess of 20,000' square feet. Over here there is' a restriction that when he deeded the property`, these lots would be a minimum of one acre. This bounds on this parcel here. . .When Mr.. Beebe and Mr.Young first started this thing they had no intention of subdivision and that was before the new . subdivision law. They appled for' .access under Section 280A of the' State• Law. . When they bought it from .Wilson ' Tuthill -it was all one piece. They got approval of the .road. They went: to the� Surveyor and Mr. Dean and came up with what- they wanted to do. To give these people privacy it was recommended to build a cul-de-sac.. - At first they wanted to put. it square up against the property line. This is, what they came up with, as it' shows on the map. They weren't aware that the new subdivsion regulations would come in. or that a cut-through would be required. You are recommending reserving a 50 foot strip to connect this property with the adjoining property. If the road wasn't in there already there ' wouldn't be any problem. Now that the road is .in there a connection would not look too nice. THE 'CHAIRMAN: If you leave a cut-through at this point, this will change the angle• of the road. This is no problem. A discussion was held on the drop-off in the property elevation, and how this would effect future development' of adjoining property. RICHARD E. YOUNG: Where would a road here go, and what good would. it do? THE CHAIRMAN: We don't know at- this point. We- aren't about to say what the person that- owns the adjoining property will want to do. They only thing we have to do is make sure provision is made for when this adjoining property is developed. The Marsh land and creek line were pointed out on the map. Some discussion was held on the feas.ibil.ity of developing the marsh land. Southold Town Planning Board -3- February 1, 1968 RICHARD LARKt ESQ. : When they sell the property At would have to be made known that a road may go through here, that it won''t be a dead end road, and this may effect the sale of the property. THE' CHAIRMAN: We have to look into the future. RICHARD E. YOUNG: Are you. allowing marsh land to be filled? THE' CHAIRMAN: Under some circumstances we are recommending that- land be filled. We have no objection to this highway as such. In order to sell lots you have got to file for a minor subdivision. When you file for the subdivision we will ' require that'you make provisions for reservations for the I3ighway to connect to the adjoining property. RICHARD: LARK,ESQ.-: What do you want on the map, Reserved for dedication to` the Town? THE CHAIRMAN: Designate it on the map as possible dedication to the town. RICHARD LARK, ESQ. : How do you want us to come .in with the road? THE CHAIRMAN: We don't care how you lay it out, as long as it's parrallel . to the turn-around and 50 feet over. I think that we could waive the park and playground requirement- in view of the fact that you are leaving this open. MR.. LARK: That is fair enough. Do you want- these gentlemen to make an application for preliminary approval? THE CHAIRMAN: You have to make- application for approval of preliminary layout. RICHARD LARK& ESQ. : We have the application filled out. The only thing we have to do is put the 50 foot road reservation on the map. THE CHAIRMAN:' Designate it as reserved for highway proposes. The letter to .the Town Board can approve this subject to the fifty feet being reserved for the road. Southold Town Planning Board -4- February 1, 1968 Mr. Gendron and Mr.- Olsen appeared before the Planning Board .in regard to the subdivision to be known as Vista Bluff It-was determined the fee for the subdivision had been paid. There was still .a question of the grade of the road meeting the grade of the road in the adjoining subdivision. Mr. Olsen stated they are willing to connect with the adjoining road, and that the difference in grade is about 10 inches. It was determined there should be. no great problem in connecting the two roads. On motion by Mr. Moisa, seconded by Mr., Coyle, it was RESOLVED that the' Southold Town Planning Board set the next' regular- meeting at the Town- office, Main Road, SoutYold, New York, as the time and place of hearing upon application of approval of the following plat: Plat- of property owned by Rene Gendron, entitled Vista Bluff, consisting of a parcel of land of 8.1 acres, situated at Cutchogue,, in the Town of Southold, Suffolk County, New York, and bounded and described as. follows: BEGINNING at a point on the ordinary highwater mark of*Long Island:Sound where said high water mark. is inter- sected by the westerly line . of Duck Pond Road; ffom said point ofbeginning running along said westerly line of Duck Pond Road, S. 19' 17 ' 30" -E.- 430. 0 feet to a monument; thence along the northwesterly line of said Duck Pond Road, two courses: (l)- S. 310 27 ' 30" W.- 188. 92 feet; thence- .(2) S. 330 04' 00" W.- 432. 94 feet to a monument and land of Glendale' Associates; thence along said land of Glendale Associates, as shown on "Map of- Birch Hills", filed in' the Suffolk County'Clerk's Office as map' #4908, N. 39' 00' W.- 727.0 feet to said high water mark- of Long Island Sound; thence along said high water makk, N. 600 42 ' 20" E.- 15.22 - feet to land of Phoebe Vincent, three courses: (1) S. 39' 00', E.- 255. 0 feet; 'thence (2) N. 600 42' 20"' E.- 100. 0 feet; thence (3) N. 39' 00' W.- 255.0 feet- to said high water mark -of Long Island Sound; thence along said highwater mark, N. 600 42 ' 20" E.- 630.39 feet- to the point of beginning. Vote of' the Board: Ayes:- Mr. Wickham, Mr. Moisa Mr. Unlel.bach, Mr. Coyle, Mr. Grebe. r Southold Town Planning Board -5- February 1,1268 . A letter was received from:William B. May, Jr. , regarding minor subdivision of property on Fishers Island,�onwed by Mr. May. - A discussion was held on the condition of'tWinthor_p Drive. Mr. Grebe felt this road could be left as is unitl such time as it was turned over to the Town of Southold. The' Chairman felt- that the foundation and the sidewalk should be removed from the bounds of the highway before approval be graried tothe subdivision. It was reported that two highway Superintendents had required the removal of the slab from the highway. The Board looked at the new layout' of the property submitted by Mr. May. Supervisor' Albertson was present- at the meeting. He wasl briefed on the background of the property under discussion. The' Chairman again insisted that the foundation be removed from the highway, in view of the past experieRee with the property. ' Supervisor' Albertson advised the Planning' Board of the results of the hearing. hled on the change of zone at Kenny's Road, Southold. _The- iece of property on the corner, measuring approximately lob feet by 150 feet had been sold for' "B" Business Property prior tothe notice for a change of zone being advertised in the Official newspaper. Supervisor Albertson stated that the Town Board later met with the involved property owners and it was thought the best solution, would be to have a "B-2" Business District on the corner and an' "M" Zone for the rest of 4he property. This would be done on the Town Board' s own motion, and they wanted the' Planning Board to be aware of why the change was berg donsidered. The chairman advised the' Supervisor that they would like to set some dates for meetings with the Town' Board to discuss some changes that need to be made. On such thing is possibly to up-gaade the existing' Zoning Ordinance, rather than adopt , a whole new Ordinance. This would also have to be discussed with Raymond & May Associates. It was briefly discussed setting up a conservation committee. The Planning Board and Supervisor Albertson, felt this was not needed at the present time. .. Supervisor' Albertson reported that a traffic arterial was needed to' take the traffic west out of' Southold village. . Two such streets are being considered by the Town Board. One would be from Traveler Street to Horton Avenue and another Southold Town' Planning Board -6- February 1, 1968 from Mechanic' Street to Wells Road. Theme would be provisions made for parking in the rear of the stores. This was "discussed by the Supervisor and the Planning Board. Supervisor Albertson reported that representatives from the Health Department have meet with the Town Board in regard to sewage disposal in subdivisions with over one hundred lots.1 It was pointed out that these sewers disposal systems could be maintained by either the developer, the Town, or by County' Sewer Agency. The' Supervisor advised this is not some- thing, we have to be concerred. with immediately, but is something to think about. The' Planning Board again discussed the property of William B. May, Jr. The Chairman advised that- he would telephone Mr. May and try to clear the problem of getting the foundation out of the highway.' The Planning Board again took up the matter of Beebe Drive Extension, dedication of the highway to theTown of Southold, and the application for approval of preliminary, layout of the subdivision. On motion' by Mr. Moisa, seconded by Mr. Grebe, it was RESOLVED that the Southold Town Planning Board recommend to the' Southold Town Board they accept dedication of Beebe Drive' Extension, at Cutchouge, as a Town highway, subject to the planning Boarg'receiving a preliminary subdivision map showing the fifty feet reserved for highway purposes to connect this property with the adjoining property. Vote of the Board: Ayes:- Mr. Wickham, Mr. Moisa, Mr. Unkelbach, Mr. Coyle, Mr. Grebe. v � 0 Southold Town Planning Board -7- February 1, 1968 The Planning' Board took up thematter of; the subdivision to be known as Gardiners Bay' Estates, Section III, at East Marion. All the papers seemed to be in order and all the necessary stelps have been taken to set a date fora final hearing on this application. On motion by Mr.- Coyle, seconded by Mr. Grebe, it was RESOLVED that the' Southold Town Planning .Board set the next regular ineeting of the Board, at the Town- Office, Main Road, Southold, New York, as the time and place of hearing upon application of approval of the following plat: i Plat of property owned by: Gardners Bay°Co. , Inc. , entitled Gardiners Bay- Estates, . Section III, Consisting of a parcel of land of 9. 78 acres, situated at- East- Marion, in the Town of Southold, Suffolk"County, New York, and,bounded and -described as follows: BEGINNNING at a monument on the easterly line of a private road known as "Old' Orchard Lane", 912.48 feet south- erly along said easterly line from the Main Road, said point of' beginni-g- being the southwesterly corner of land .of Macara; from said point of beginning running along said land of . Marcara, N. 630 29' 40" E.- 263.20 feet to land of Thieringer Estate; thence along said. land of Thieringer' Estate, two courses: (1)` S. 270 36' 10"' E.- 475. 0 feet; thence (2) N. 890 , 30' E.- 155. 0 feet to the. shore. of Marion Lake, thence southeasterly along said shore as measured by a tie-line, S. 640 37 ' 30" E.- 84.38 feet- to land of Thorp;. thence along said land of Thorp, S. 320 '54' 40" W.- 170.0 feet to a pro- posed highway to. be known as "north Lane"; thence along the northerly line of said North Lane, N.. 85' 31' 00" W.- 315.11 . feet; thence across the southerly end of a proposed highway' to be known as Old Orchard Lane% S. 620 23 ' 50" W.- 50.0 feet;' "thence along the northwesterly line of a proposed highway to be known as -"Dogwood Lane"-, six courses: (1) south" westerly on a curve to theleft, having a radius of 400. 0 feet, a distance lof 117. 93 feet, as measured by a chord bearing S. 45c' 30' 40" W.- 117. 50 feet; thence (2) southwesterly on a curve to the right having a raduis of 400.0 feet, a distance of 100.0 feet, as measured by a chord bearing' S. 320 00' W.- 99.72 feet; thence ,,(3) southwesterly on a curve to the right 4 Southold. Town Planning Board -8- February- 1, 1968 having a radius of 400. 0 feet, a distance ofl.100.0 feet as measured by a chord bearing' S. 56° 00' W.- 99.72 feet;. thence . (4) southwesterly on a curve to the left having a raduis of 400. 0 feet, a distm ce of 100.0 feet as measured by a chord bearing S. 540 00' W.- 99..72 feet; thence, (5) southwesterly, on a curve to the left having a raduis of- 260.0 feet, a distance of 100.0 feet as measured, by a chord bearing" S. 330 00" W.- 99.38 feet; thence (6) southwesterly on a curve to the right having a radius of 186. 0 feet, a distance of 100. 0 feet as measured by a chord bearing S. 460 45 ' 40" W.- 98.81 feet to a monument and land of Schneider; thence along said land of Schneider, N. 260 51 ' 00" W.- 269.30 feet; thence along land of Gardners Bay`Company, Inc. , two courses: (1) N. 500 49' 4019, E.0 382.. 16 feet; mo thence (2) N. 27° 36' 10" W.- 293. 08 feet to land of�Dzenkowski; thence along said land, N. 5.70 33 ' 40" E.- 213.51 feet to the westerly line of' said private- read known as "Old Orchard Lane"; thence along said westerly line, N. 27� 21' 20"' W.- 63. 0 feet; thence across said` "Old Orbhard' Lane", N. 630 29' 40"' E.- 24. 0 feet to the point of beginning. Voteof the Board: Ayes:- Mr. Wickham, Mr. Moisa, ' Mr. Unkelbach, Mr. Coyle, Mr. Gmebe. The Planning Board received from the Town Board the original petition of Thomas and Florece Jurzcenia, Greenport, , New York, relative to a change of zone from' "A" Residential and Agricultural District to "M" Multiple' Residence' District on certain real property, with the instructions to prepare and official report defining the conditions contained therein. i This property is situated at Greenport, -in the Town of Southold, County of Suffolk and State of New York, and more particularly bounded and described as follows: BEGINNING at a point on the easterly side of Silvermere Road where the present "M" zone district line intersects the-, Easterly line of Silvermere Road;, running thence N. 150 21' 30"' E. 250 feet more or less to the land of: Long Island Railroad;. running thence along the land of the Long' Island Railroad on the arc of a radius of 2832 feet, 108. 06 feet to a point on the southerly line of land of'Long Island. Railroad- running thence along the southerly line of land of' Long: Island Railroad N. 840 30' 10" E.- 848.33 feet to land of Toner; running thence along land of Toner- S. 6° 20' 50" W.9 896.18 feet- to ordinary highwater mark of Pipes` Cove; thence generally Southold Town' Planning Board -9- February 1, 1968 westerly along ordinary high water mark of Pipes Cove tothe present "M" zone district line;. running thence through land of Jurzenia along the present "M" ,zone district line N. 40 28 ' 20" W. 500 feet more or less to a point; running thence through land of Jurzenia along the present "M" zone district line; S. 850 31' 40" W.- 600 feet more or less to the point .or place of beginning. On motion by Mr. Unkelbach, seconded by Mr. Moisa, it was RESOLVED that the' Southold Town Planning Board does not favorably recommend to the Southold Town Board the change of . zone from' "A" Residential and Agricultural- District to "M" Multiple Residnece District on the above described property. The property involved is 17 acres, and the Planning Board has never- recommended an "M" District of this size. The acreage involved is more acreage than needed for the intended use. Vote of the Board: Ayes:- Mr., Wickahm, Mr. Moisa, Mr. Unkelbach,' Mr. Grebe. Nay:- Mr.--Coyle The Planning Board received and read. the following letter: "December 12, 1967,Mr. Alfred Grebe, Fishers Island, New York "Dear' Fred: "Here is a rough plan showing the property we-,still own on the west end of. the Island, outlined. in red. "We would like to know from your Board what our procedure should be in the event` a client wants to buy apart of any of these- lots. Of course we prefer to sell them in one piece, but rarely can a local person afford a large area and most of our requests are for one acre, more or. less. "At the East- End we own Block 21, lots 1 and 2 and although we don't want to break these up we would like to know the Board' s feeling on these also. w Southold Town' Planning Board -10- February 1, 1968' "Will you please return the map of the' East' End lots as this is the only, one I, have. "Thanks a lot. "Sincerely Yours,- FISHERS ISLAND UTILITY`COMPANY INC.', /s/ Gordon, W. Gordon Ahman, Real Estate' Department. " The' Planning Board viewed the sketches submitted with the letter. The Board also viewed the tax map showing the pro- perty in question. It was agreed that a letter be weitten to Fishers Island . Utility Company, advising them the following: 1) on the parcels of land over two acres they should submit a map, unlbss they are sold as one piece; 2) the parcel of land over seven acres will have to have a subdivision map; 3) The lots on the east end, Block- 21, lots 1 and 2, could be sold as is, but any other division would. have . to be approved by the Planning Board. They were also advised that the tax map shows Orchard Avenue going through their plot #5 to Madison House Road, and, the Planning Board would like to know what they proposed to do about it. i The following letter was received from'Samule' L. Grimes, !Esq. : "January 19, 1968', "Town Planiing -Board, Town of' Southold, Southold, New York, "Map of Birch Hills "Gentlemen: "Ot is my understanding that- the Town Engineer and the Town Highway' Superintendent have inspected and approved the public improvements made to the premises covered by the "Map of". Birch Hills". Accordingly, it is hereby formally requested that your' Board make the necessary request of the Town Board for release of the performance bond posted by Birch Hills with the Town. Southold Town Planning Board -11- February 1, 1968 "It has been a pleasure to work- with the Planning Board on this map. My cli.entand I have appreciated very much your patient assistance and coopdr.ation. "Respectfully 3purs, /s/ Samuel L. Grimes. " The Planning Board discussed the request made by Mr. Grimes. Th.e Following letter was written to Mr. Grimes: Dear' Mr. G:i.mes: We are in receipt of a letter from the' Superintendent of Highways in which he states the condition of the highway in your development. It is not satisfactory in that it fails to meet the grade of the respective highway in the adjoining subdivision. He also has notified us that the same problem exists with the adjacent subdivision, .in that it fails to meet the grade of 'the highway in your subdivision. It is obvious to us there is no great problem, in view of the fact. the highway in the adjoining pubdivision has not yet been surfaced. We have suggested to them that they meet the grade of your highway and they have agreed, but this might mean that their machinery would have to turn around on oyour highway. Obviously this work can not be concluded until after the winter weather is over. We will keep our. eyes on this matter/ The Planning Board set February 13, 1968, at the Town Office, MainRoad, Southold, New York, as the time and place for a special meeting to meet with Robert' S. Jonas, Soil Conservationist. A brief discus8io'n was held on the possibility of requiring permanent bonds for the lots reserved for recreational purposed in subdivisions. Southold Town Planning Board -12- February 1, 1968 On motion by Mr. Grebe, seconded by Mr. Unkelbach, it wad RESOLVED that- the minutes of the Southold Town- Planning Board dated January _16, 1968, be approved as sent out. Vote of the Board: Ayes:- Mr. Wickham, Mr. Moisa, Mr. Unkelbach, .Mr. Coyle, Mr. Grebe. The Planning Board took up the matter of access for th:e 'people living on and around Laurel Lake. It was felt an access road needs to be made between Aldrich Lane and Sound Avenue. It was agreed to write a letter to the Town Board staing they want access in this area. The following letter was written to the Town Board: It is the opinion of the Planning Board that an access road should be made available to thepeople on and around Laurel Lake. The- Planning Board feels that access is most suitable on the Sound Avenue side of :the lake in view of the fact the railroad limits access from the south and the east. It 'is- also our thought that sometime in the future some of the Town property adjacent to the lake might be used for municipal water system, and at that time we would find access from the north invaluable. The' Planning Board set 7:30 P.M. , Tuesday, February 27, 1t168, at the Town Office, Main Road, Southold, New York, as the time and -place of the next- regular- meeting. The Planning Board again took .up the matter of Willliam B. May, Jr' s property on Fishers Island. It was agreed that after Mr. May has talked with the Chairman on the telephone, if everything is satisfactory to the' Chair man, this also could be set fora final hearing at the next- regular- meeting of the Board. Southold Town Planning Board -13- February 1, 1968 . The property of William B. May, Jr. is described as follows: Plat 'of property owned by William B. May, Jr. ,, entitled Minor' Subdivision No. 1, consisting of a parcel of land of approximately 10 acres, situated at Fishers Island, in the Town of Southold,- Suffolk County, New York, and bounded and described as follows: TRACT NO. 1 - BEGINNING at a lag screw on the dividing line. between Tract No. 3. and Tract No. 2, and land of the United States of America known as 'the- Communications' Antenna Site, said point being 'at the northeasterly end of a right of way known as Reservoir Road, said point also being, located 1295. 04 feet north of a point which is 5693.40 feet west of a monument marking the United States Coast and Geodetic ' Survey Triangulation Station "PROS" and thence running south 200 44'' East 363.20 feet to a monument at the northeasterly corner of land of the United States of America known as the Watch Tower Site, abutting southwesterly on said Tract No. 2 and land of Mrs. R.F. Phillipp; thence south 200 03 ' East 50. 0 feet abutting southwesterly on said Watch Tower' Site; thence north 690 57 ' East67.5-- feet; thence northeasterly 117.10 feet to a fence corner, these last two lines abutting southeasterly on land of said Philipp; thence along a fence North 320 36' East 465. 90 feet to a monument, abutting southeasterly on land of Wilmerding; thence along a fence .North 350 24' west 424 feet; thence along a fence North 460 58 ' west 408 feet: to the shore of Fishers Island Sound, these two lines abutting northeasterly on land of Barbara Pratt Wilmerding; thence following the meanders of said shore line in a southwesterly direction about 492 feet to said Communications Antenna Site; thence south 50° 38' East about- 95 feet to a cross on rock; thence south 50o 38' east= 82.70. feet- to a brass plate; thence southeastwardly following the arc of a curve to the left whose radius is 137.10 feet a distance of 186.50 feet to a brass plate; thence south 650 1.7 ' 10" east 14. 99 feet; thence south 290 46' west 31.34 feet. to the lag screw at .the point of beginning, these last five lines abutting southwesterly and northwesterly on said Communications Antenna Site. Ar Southold Town Planning Board -14- Februaryl ,1968 TRACT NO. 2 - BEGINNING at a spike in the northerly line of Winthrop Drive at the southeasterly. corner of land of the United States designated as the "Fishers Island Lifeboat Station Quarters Site, " said point being 383.28 feet north of a point which is 5366. 98 feet west of said "PROS" monument and thence running North 830 59' east 53.72 feet abutting southerly on said road; thence north 460 13 ' west 47.88 feet; thence north 590 13 ' west 43. 70 feet to a- monument; thence north 590 13 ' west 141.10 feet to a monument; thence north 460 45 ' west 69.13 feet; thence north 340 52 ' west 66.10 feet; thence north 70 51' west 97.38 feet; thence north 120 10' east 190.27 feet; thence ncr thwardly on the arc of a curve to the left with a radius of 479.30 feet a distance of 97.35 feet; thence nor theastwardly on the arc of a curve to the - right having a radius of 157.50 feet a distance of 52.48. feet to the southwesterly line of Tract No.l; thence north 200 44' west 74.17 feet to the lag screw at. the point of beginning of tract No. 1; thence southw ardly on the arc- of a curve to the left whose radius is 207.05 feet ti distance of 135.70 feet to a lag screw at a point- on a curve to the right whose radius is 429.30 feet and the direction of whose radius at that point is south .790 15 ' 50" west; thence southwardly following the arc of said curve 82. 90 feet to a brass plate marked "C" ; thence south 120 10' west 192.20 feet to' an iron pipe; thence south 90 12 ' east 125.50 feet; thence. south 350 47 ' east 76. 01 feet; thence south 470 55 ' east 86.29 feet; thence south 590 13 ' east 177.06 feet to a spike; thence south 460 13 ' east 34.0 feet to a spike; thence south 270 38 ' east 172.70 feet- to the point of beginning. The meeting was adjourned at 10:30 P.M.- Respectfully submitted, Barbara C.- Dittmann, Secretary Southold Town Planning Board JOHN WICKHAM, CHAIRMAN