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HomeMy WebLinkAboutPB-10/15/1964 oS��FO��o Southold Town Planning Board SOUTHOLD, L. I., N. Y. PLANNING BOARD MEMBERS John Wickham, Chairman Henry M oisa Alfred Grebe ' Archibald Young William Unkelbach MINUTES SOUTHOLD TOWN 'PLANNING BOARD October 15,.1964 A regular meeting of the Southold Town Planning Board was held October 15,. 1964,. at '7:30 P®M ,. at-:the Town Office,, Main Road, Southold: New York. There were present: Messrs: John Wickham,' Chairman,; Henry;Moiaa,. Alfred Grebe,,,- Archibalc Young, William Unkelbach. Also present: Howard Terryt, Building Inspectors,- Otto Van Tuyl, - Consultant. Mr. Young, acting 'Chairman for this hearing read the legal notice of'hearing. "LEGAL NOTICE,' NOTICE OF HEARINGs NOTICE IS HEREBY GIVEN that pursuant to' Section 276 of the Town Law,; public hearing will be held . by the' Southold Town Planning Board at the Town Offices. Main Roadi Southolds. New York,, in said Town on the 15th day of October,, 1964,. at 7:30 o'clock in the evening of said day,: on the question of approval of the following plat: ' I Southold Town' P1 _ _;iing Board -2- Oct'. ,-{.er 15,, 1964 "1.. Plat- of property owned by Kathryn Fleet and others,. entitled. "Eastwood Estates..,- Section II", at-.Cutchogue,, New York,. consisting of a parcel of land 11.59 acres,., situated at' Cutchogue,, inthe Town of Southold,. Suffolk-Couhtyv New Yorks. and bounded and described as follows: "Beginning at the -intersection of the northerly line of 'Midwood Road .with the westerly line of Fleet=s Neck-Roadt,. and running thence- along said northerly line of Midwood Road, two courses, as follows: ,(1). S. 50°03120" W.-662.66 feet; thence 2)' S. 650 40=.10" W.-319.56 feet to ' land of James; . thence along said land of James and -along land of�Appelquests. N..- 3056120" W.-163.33 feet; thence along said land of-Appelquest, S. 86003= 40" W.-150.0 feet to land of Gerhardt; thence along said land of 'Gerhardt., along land of Jones, and along. land of'Fleet, N. 3056320" W.-300.00 feet t o . land- of Todebush; thence along said land _of. Todebush, N. 86003:,40" ' E.-150.0 feet; thence continuing along said land of Todebush and along land of Kirkups. N.. 3°5 020" W.-345. 00 feet; thence' continui#g along said land of Kirkup northwesterly on a curve to the left having a radius of`55.0 feet a distance of '86.89 feet to the southerly line of North:- Cross Road; thence along said line of North Cross Road, two courses as follows: (1) N. 86003340" ' E.-49.12 feet; thence (2) N. 4403110,0" E..-169.38 feet . to land of Dietz; thence along said land of Dietz; thence along land of Ciesiels, and along land of' Grathwoh,lz-'S. - 50°16830" E.-417.45 feet; thence along said. land of GrathwohlF, N. ' 39043130" E.-150.00 feet to the westerly line of'Fleet's Neck Road; thence along' said westerly line of 'Fleet=s Neck Road, S.500l6t-30" E.-427.34 feet to the point of beginning. Containing 11.59 acres. ,,Any person desiring to beheard on the above matter should appear at the time and place above specified. "Dated: . September 21, 1964,, BY ORDER OF THE SOUTHOLD TOWN PLANNING BOARD, `.JOHN WICKEIAM,' CHAIRMAN. The affidavit .of publication was read. MR YOUNG s.- Acting,Chaixman-. Anyone here wish to object to this proposed subdivision? ,(There. was no response. ) Southold Town P].___ Wing Board -3- Oc'•___,-'er 15t 1964 MR.YOUNG: If no one wishes to speak in opposition to this subdivision,- anyone wish to speak in favor •of it? ;(There was no response.) ,(There was not -.a letter ,in the file from Mr. Harold Price.' approving the layout of the roads. Howeverr. Mr. Lawrence Tuthill' did have an estimate for the bond for the roads. ) . (," MR® YOUNG: I-will declare this hearing closed at this time and the Board will discuss it later. Harbor•Lights was again put before the Board. THE CHAIRMAN: In view of the fact that this legal notice ; and description has been read and we adjourned the hearing to ' obtain approval of County Health Departments we will dispense with preliminaries. This subdivision has not received the approval of the 'County Health Department yet. On motion by Mr. Grebe,, seconded by Mr.. Moisar. it was RESOLVED that the hearing for the subdivision "Harbor 'Lights",_ located at Bayview in Southold,, be recessed until the next regular -meeting of 'the Planning IBoard. vote of the Board:. Ayes: Mr.- Wickham..- Mr, Moisar Mr. Grebe, Mr. Young, and Mr. Unkelbach. Mr. Reese was also -present at this meeting to express to the Board that-he was in favor, of the change of zone proposed, by .the Town Board on his property located at Bayview in Southold. He stated that he wanted this property residential and thanked the- Board for their consideration in the matter. The" Chairman read the following resolution that was passed by the Southold Town Board: Southold _Town ,E',___4ning Board . -4- Oi _ .ber: 15, 1964 "At a meeting of the Town Board of the Town of'Southold, held on: the 29th day of` September,,, 1964s, at the' Supervisorss Office,' 16 South. Streets, Greenports, New York. "WHEREAS,_ this Board deems it .in the public .interest and in the promotion of the health,,, safety ,_ morals or general welfare of. the Town of' Southold that certain premises. at.-East.Marion, in the Town. of:Southold,.- Suffolk County, New Yorke_ hereinafter more fully described, be rezoned from "B" Business:District to "A" ` Residential and Agricultural-District. "NOW,- THEREFORE-8 BE IT-RESOLVED, that the Building 'Zone Ordinance of the Town of Southold,,. including the Building Zone Map forming a part thereof'. be amended by the Town Board on its own motion by changing from "B" Business' District to "A" Residential and Agricultural District the following described premises: "All those certain plots`, pieces or parcels of land situate= lying and being at-East Maion in the Town of:Southold,- Suffolk County,.._ New Yorks. generally bounded and described as follows:' "Parcel l: Bounded on the north side of ._;,Long Island Sound; . on.. the east by land of'Cove Beach' Estatese Inc. ; on the south by the several land of'Spencer' Terry and Irving Latham; on the west by land of=Arlin de Guimaraes; ."PARCEL 2: Bounded on the north by _land of'Cove Beach Estates, Inc. ; on the east by land of`Fred Tabor; on the south by land of Joseph Boken; on the west by land of-Cove Beach- Estates,. inc. ; PARCEL 3: Bounded on the north by land- of 'Cove Beach' Estatesr Inc. ; onthe east by land of Joseph Boken; on the south by. State Highway,#25;- on the west by land of-William Boken. . "BE IT-FURTHER RESOLVED,: that pursuant to Article :lxr. Section 901 of 'the Building Zone, Ordinance of the Town of Southold, the Town clerk be and he hereby is authorized and directed to transmit a copy of this resolution to the' Planning Board of the Town of 'Southold with a written request instructing said Planning Board to prepare an official. report:concerning the same, together with their recommendationse " The Board viewed the map of the property in question. Mr. Howard Uhl and his associate Mr. Frank Russell were present to discuss this proposed change with the' Planning Board. y , Southold Town P'=,. .Lning Board .-5- Oc ,__-giber 15, 1964 Mr.• Uhl stated that he wished to be heard on this matter : because he felt- that the Planning Board should know first-Viand what the plans are regarding this property. He said that they -are actively engaged in trying to get a motel set up on this property. He brought along a scale model of their layout of plans for the property. He said their plan was to start out by putting up 20 motel units,,. then gradually adding more. When it was completed there would be 100 units. Mr. Uhl pointed out on the scale model the location of the motel units,' .restaurant, tennis courts convenience store,, golfcourse, and other facilities. He stated that this would be a self-containedr: self-supporting tape of an operation. . The people willnot have to go out of the area to .find recreation. Mr. Uhl stated that the reason a scale model of this proposed plan was made was because they had no success in raising funds to finance this plan. He said that-they tried banks on the North Fork- and banks in .the' City without success. They next-turned to the Small Business Administration, however,,, this did not work out either. Ths,'scale model was made for the purpose of im- pression banks. Because they could not get- started_on this project by themselvesr they contacted resort operations. In appealing to them . for aid,,', it was specifically pointed out that this property was zoned for business for the type of:operation they had inmind. If the Business° Zone is taken away, their idea will be harder to put across. The' Chairman recommended that this property be upzoned to a "M" Multiple Residence-District. However, Howard Terry-pointed out that-with a "M" ' Zone, a restaurant and gift shop, etc. , could .not be operated. The -Chairman stated that they wanted to assure all -their cooperation. He stated that this , is the ,oAly large area that was ever zoned for business and it-'bothers the Board .a little that it is not being used for business. The Chairman stated that he has taked to the' Supervisor, and he- feels the same way on this matter. He stated that- the Board did not want to cut-him off, however they didn't-want to be in the position of- having a large area zoned for business when a "M" District would .suit the purpose just as well. - Mr. Uhl stated that an I'M" District--would handicap theme with the "M" Zone they couldn'-t have a sign as large as they could in the "B" Zones. aisol they could not have the restaurant, convenience store, - etc. He stated that they went to alot- of trouble to get this "B" zone, that it was given to them in goon faith -and they have used it in good faith. i 1 Southold Town.-- PL_'-­_-jAng Board -6- Oct__-+er: 15,, 1964 Mr. Unkelbach asked if they have been actively engaged in trying to put this plan -through since 1957. - Mr. Uhl stated that they­had .and this whole operation will take time. Mr. Unkelbach pointed out that he should see the reluctance of the Town Board to keep this property zoned .for 'business. If they ,,.:-.Were forced to sell this land, any sort of business that is provided for in the ordinance,, could be located on this property. . The. Town Board did not. want-any type of 'business in this location that might=be harmful to the area. Mr.- Russell stated that they were approached this summer' by a gentleman from- orient who wanted to run the ferryboat from this location. He said that they would not make such a proposition. It would .-not be advantageous to their operation or to the Town of� Southold. He said he thinks this points out that they do have the community interest .at heart- and that they will not jump at the first chance to sell this property. Mr. Unkelbach pointed ._out that there was always the possibility that they. could no longer f afford to keep the property. The Chairman explained that the Town Board has made the motion on this particular change of 'zone and that- they ask the planning Board's recommendations however, they don't-have to take it. The= Chairman pointed out that there can be mulch pressure from carry a large parcel of land without receiving any income from it. It is -with this thought in mind that the Town Board does not want this . large prcel of land zoned business. - Cove Beach Estates may at- some time be forced to dispose of this land. The Board and Mr. Uhl and Mr. Russell discussed the possibility of spliting this into different zones, - The golf .course could be in a "A" zone with a: special exception from the Board of-Appeals. the -motel units could be in a "M" Districts' and the rest of' the property could remain business. zoned for the convenience store, restaurant,, etc. The Board decided to set this matter aside until later in the evening when the supervisor could be present to further discuss the matter with them. `Mr.- Clement Botth appeared before the Board next. He has property on Tuckers Lane which he plans to subdivide. He has already been selling -lots out- of ' this area. Mr. Van T4NII made a map of the proposed layout, and Mr. Booth wanted the Board's permission to construct a road. la. .ncr , Southold Towjoa :�= o_, -7- Oct(,,=,-'r.. 15,, 1964 The Chairman advised that after' Janua-ry ls, 1965, the -County Health- Department was requiring municipal sewers,,, therefore, Mr. Booth should try to file before the first of the year. Mr. Booth said he would like to file the final map before January 1, 1965. He presented :h.the map layout of the property. The Chairman advised -that he would need- County -approval to have access come out .on the County Road. Mr. Booth is only planning to file one section of this land,,.. and rent the remainder for farm land for a few more years.. The- Chairman advised him that he should file the whole. parcel of land now. He advised that . the. expense would not be that- much greater,,. and he could submit--a performance bond for the roads. On motion by Mr. Grebe,.. seconded by Mr. Moisar, it was ' RESOLVED that the' Southold Town Planning Board give preliminary approval to Clement Booth for the cut through of roads on Lhe _land located on .Tuckers Lane and the North Road, Southoldt New- York. Vote of the Board: Ayes:-Mr.- Wickham=; Mr. Moisa, Mr. Grebes Mr. Young, and Mr. Unkelbach. The Board again took up the matter_ of-Cove Beach Estates. Su� ervisor' Albertson was present and the=Chairman advised him of the plan to have three different .zones in this propertyr so that-Mr. Uhl could continue with his original plan. The' Super- visor thought- this was a good idea. - A lenghty discussion was held as to where each zone would be,. and how large. It-was determined that--a very_specific legal description. would be necessary. _ Mr. Uhl should submit his final plans to Otto Van Tuyl,, who will make a new map, and submit it to the Planning Board at' their next-meeting. The Planning Board received from the Town Board a resolution .for a change •of zone from. "C" Industrial District to 'W' Residential and Agricultural- District on property located at-Bayview in Southold, with the instructions to prepare an official report defining the conditions described in the petition and determine the area so effected .with the recommendation of the Planning Board. This property is bounded and described as follows: t. Southold Town Pl'�..aing Board -8- OCIE-%.­_Ier 15,r, 1964 Beginning at- a point on the.,northerly line of North Bayview-Road -at the sotithwesterly corner of land' oformerly. of J.B.:. Coleman; .and running westerly along said- northerly line of North. Bayview Road .420 feet, more or less„ :to the easterly ' line of North Road to Bayview; thence northerly along said easterly line of North Road to Bayview 122 feet,. more or less, to land now or formerly of'Meadow - Point Properties,. Inc. ; .thence northerly along said land of.Meadow' Poin.t Properties, Inc.,,,1200 feet:, more or less; thence easterly through land of Reese 450 feet, more or less,, to land formerly of-Coleman; thence southerly along said land formerly of Coleman, 1200 feet,, more or less,, to the point of beginning Containing about 12 acres. On motion by Mr. Grebe, seconded by Mr. Unkelbach, it was RESOLVED that the' Planning Board favorably recommends to the Town Board the change of zone. from : "C" Industrial -District to "A" Residential and Agricultural--Distr�,,ct on the property described_above. Mr. Young has personally inspected this property and he feels that it should be changed to-, "A" Residential and Agricultural- District. Mr. Reese appeared before the Board to -state- that the was in favor of such a change. This piece of.:property is surrounded by residential property and Town property* vote of the Board: Ayes: Mr. Wickham,. Mr. Moisa,_ Mr. Grebe, Mr. Youngs and Mr. Unkelbach. On motion by Mr. Grebe,, seconded by Mr. Unkelbach, it was RESOLVED that the minutes of the Southold Town Planning Board,, dated -:,:+September 21,, 1964, be approved as submitted* vote of the Board: Ayes:-Mr.- Wickham., Mr.- Moisa, Mr. Grebe, Mr. Young, Mr. Unkelbach. Southold Town P11 ing- Board -9- Ocf'_,,er- 15. 1964 - The Board next discussed "Blue Horizons".. Peconic, New York.. - A letter was written to the subdivider requesting. an affidavit of the disposition of the right-of-way shown on the map. The. subdivider-was also advised that he should file a formal application with the` Planning Board as soon as possible. On motion by Mr. Grebe, seconded by Mr.. Young, it was RESOLVED that the Southold Town 'Planning Board.authorize Mr.-Lawrence Tuthill, Professl6nal Engineer., to make an estimate for a performance bond -for the roads in "Blue Horizons", Peconic, New York. Vote of the Board: Ayes:Mr. Wickham: Mr. Moisa, Mr. Grebe. Mr. Young, and Mr. Unkelbach. On motion by Mr. Grebe, seconded by Mr.. Unkelbacbt'. it was RESOLVED that the-' Planning Board recommend a bond of $12:000.00 for' performance bond .for the roads in Eastwood Estate, - Section II, located at Fleet's Neck in' Cut-chouge.. Vote of the Board: Ayes:Mr.. Moisa, Mr. Young, Mr. Grebe, mr. . Unkelbach. On motion by Mr.- Moisa,. seconded by Mr. Unkelbach.., it was RESOLVED that the subdivision known as Eastwood Estates. Section II, owned by Kathryn Fleet and others be approved, subject to the approval of the layout of the roads by Harold Price. Vote of the Board: Ayes:-Mr. Young, Mr, Moisa, Mr. Grebe. and Mr. Unkelbach. . (Mr. Wickham abstained from any participation in the matter fof Eastwood Estates... Section II because of a conflict of .interest. ) Southold Town Pl;I._._.--ling Board -10- O<= _.ber 15, 1964 The, Chairman read a letter from Albert"W. Richmond, Town Clerk, stating that the Town Board accepted' $13,000.00 cash in excrow from Henry. Smithr Peconic, .New York, for the security of completion of, raods in the subdivision known as "Peconic Homes" in Peconic, New York. The Chairman also read a letter from'Albert W. Richmond, stating that the Town Board resolved that Northwest-Loop Road, Nassau Point, Cutchogue+, New York, . shall hereafter'be known as.West- Cove Road. The Chairman next- read a letter from Frederick P. Rich stat•A4g 1ihis disapproval of any change in 'the' Zoning Ordinance regarding apartment houses. The Board .discussed raising the fee for applications for. subdivisions. It was unanimously agreed that the Southold Town Planning Board recommend as. a fee for all subdivisions the following: Fifty dollars for the first 16 acres .in the sub- division, and vfive dollars for each additional acre over 10 acres. On motion .by Mr. Grebe, seconded by Mr. Moisa, it was RESOLVED that the' Southold Town Pinning Board recommend to the Town Board that- Lawrence Tuthill,. professional engineer, be paid for his services on the following basis: Making estimates for bonds for roads, he shall receive- $25.00 for the first 10 acres in the subdivision, and $1.00 for each additional acre over 10 acres. Based on the past few cases he has made estimate this would be the same as a two per cent, which he feels and we feel is very reasonable for this work. Vote of the Board: Ayes: Mr. Wickham,, Mr. Moisar Mr. Grebe, Mr. Young, and Mr. Unkelbach. • Southold Town PlaWrl iing Board -11- -0"6ber 15, 1964 Mr. Grebe felt -that the' Planning Board should start work on making rules and regulations for' Swimming pools. The- Chair- 'man felt that this should wait- until after January 1,,1965, -in view of the fact that the Planning Board wants to give approval an as many subdivisions as possible before that. date. A letter was written to Mr. Manning in regard to Race' Point - Corp. He was advised that every effort should be made to complete this subdivision and have the final approval of it before the first day of January,, 1965. The next meeting of the--Southold Town Planning Board will be held '7:30 P.M. Wednesday, November 4, 1964, at the Town office, Main Road, Southold, New York. Meeting adjourned .10:20 PM.' Respectfully submitted,. Barbara- L.- Carroza,- Secreta ry John Wickham, Chairman