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Southold 'Town Planning Board
S0UTH0LD, L. I., N. Y.
PLANNING BOARD
MEMBERS
John Wickham, Chairman
'Henry Moisa
Alfred Grebe
Archibald Young
William Unkelbach
M I U T E. S
SOUTHOLD TOWN PLANNING BOARD
March 19, 1963
A regular meeting of the Southold Town Planning Board was
held 7:30 P.M. , Tuesday, March 19, 1963 at the Town Office,
Main Road, Southold,. New York.
There were present: Messrs. John Wickham, Chairman,
Henry Moisat Alfred Grebe, Archibald Young and William
Unkelbach.
. Also present: Mr. Otto W.' Van Tuyl, Consultant and Mr.
Howard Terryt Building Inspectcr .
Mr.- Walter Kapp, attorney for Paradise Point. Corporation
appeared before the Planning Board with regard to the public
hearing scheduled for this meeting. He stated that they have
been having difficulty securing approval from the Suffolk County
Health Department for the water supply and wished to ask for a
modification of the map. which would include the lots previously
contained in an'Open' Development Area and lots 1,2,3,4, and
possibly lot 5 on the new proposed map. The Chairman advised
that the hearing would be held and approval given for the lots
Mr. Kapp indicated he wished included. However, if he should
not be able to secure permission from the Health- Department he
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would have to refile a new layout and start again with another
hearing.
PUBLIC HEARING: On the question of approval of the following
plat: 1. Plat of property owned by Paradise Point Corporation,
entitled Paradise Point at Bayview, consisting of a parcel of land
of approximately 19.70 acres, situated at Southold, in the Town of
Southold, Suffolk County, New York, and bounded and described as
follows:
Beginning at a monument at the southwesterly corner of land
of Paradise Point Corporation and on the easterly line of land of
Shelter Island Oyster Company and at the northerly end of the west-
erly line of Paradise Point Road; running thence along said land of
Shelter Island Oyster Company two courses as follows: (1) N. 19-
151 20" E. 519. 03 feet; thence (2) N. 180 291 20" E. 258. 31 feet,
thence along other land of Paradise Point Corporation four courses
as follows: (1) S. 66' 131 0011 E. 100 feet; thence (2) S. 18' 291
20" W. 49. 79 feet; thence (3) S. 660 131 00" E. 340.29 feet; thence
(4) N. 57- 541 30" E. 103 feet more or less to a dredged canal;
thence easterly across said canal about 75 feet; thence northerly
along the easterly shore of said canal about 205 feet to Town Harbor;
thence easterly along said Town Harbor about 800 feet to land of
Sinning; thence along said land of Sinning, S. 40 151 20" W. 229. 00
feet to a 50 foot private road; thence across said private road,
S. 159� 381 10" W. 50.76 feet; thence along the southeasterly line
of said private road S. 370 081 E. 46. 56 feet to the northwesterly
line of a second private road known as "Robinson Road" ; thence
along the boundary of said. "Robinson Road" eight courses as follows:
(1) S. 520 221 50" W. 527. 99 feet; thence (2) On a curve to the
right having a .radius of 127. 00 feet a distance of 103. 54 feet;
thence (3) N. 800 541 20" W. 120.75 feet; thence (4) On a curve
to the left having a radius of 177 feet a distance of 161.21 feet;
thence (5) S. 460 551 50" W. 96.80 feet; thence (6) On a curve to
the right having a radius of 150 feet a distance of 175. 08 feet;
thence (7) N. 660 131 001, W. 393.70 feet; thence (8) On a curve to
the left having a radius of 175 feet a distance of 274.89 feet to
the point of beginning.
The Chairman opened the hearing by reading notice of hearing
and affidavit attesting to its publication in the official newspaper.
THE CHAIRMAN: Is there anyone present who wishes to speak
in opposition to this proposed subdivision?
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(There was no response. )
THE CHAIRMAN: Is there anyone present who wishes to speak
in favor of this proposed subdivision?
MR. WALTER KAPP: I represent Paradise Point Corporation.
THE CHAIRMAN: Do you have the approval of the Highway
Superintendent?
MR. KAPP: Not as yet.
THE CHAIRMAN: I suggest that we adjourn this hearing until
April 2. 1963, the date of the next Planning Board meeting, at
which time you may supply the highway superintendents report and
a new map with health department approval of same.
On motion of Mr. Moisa, seconded by Mr. Young it was
RESOLVED that the hearing upon the question of approval of
plat entitled Paradise Point at Bayview be adjourned to 7:30 P.M. ,
April 2, 1963.
Vote of the Board: Ayes: - Mr. Wickham, Mr. Moisa, Mr. Grebe,
Mr. Young, and Mr. Unkelbach.
A representative of Frederick and Harold Reese appeared before
the Board for an informal discussion relative to Southold Shores at
Arshamomaque. Mr. Van Tuyl presented a revised preliminary plan of
the layout. In the new layout drainage easements are provided. After
examining the map the Board advised that they would require a 100 ft.
by 100 ft. turnaround where the road ends at the canal on the wester-
ly side of the development. They advised that this turnaround could
be retained as private property reserved for the interior lots with
the provision that it be dedication to the Town for highway purposes,
when the roads are dedicated.
The Board also advised that the road and drainage layout should
be approved by the Highway Superintendent before a final map is
drawn and water tests should be made and approval from the Health
Department secured. - Map by Otto W. Van Tuyl & Son dated March 21,
1962, revised December 6, 1962 and February 8, 1963.
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Mr. Henry Smith with his attorney Lefferts Edson appeared
before the Planning Board requesting tentative approval of his
proposed subdivision to be known as "Peconic Homes, at Peconic"
located on the north side North Road. Mr. Smith was granted
preliminary approval of his map in February. Mr. Smith advised
that he ,has spoken with Mr. Price and he is in favor of the road
layout and the connection with Miami Avenue at the northerly end
of the development. He will next obtain approval from the Health
Department for the water.
On motion of Mr. Unkelbach, seconded by Mr. Grebe, it was
RESOLVED that Henry-J. Smith be grantedtentative approval of
his layout of "Peconic Homes, " Peconic, New York. Map by Otto W.
Van Tuyl & Son dated January 24, 1963.
It was further RESOLVED that a letter be forwarded to Mr.
Lefferts Edson on behalf of Mr. Henry Smith advising that he may
now instruct his engineer or surveyor to proceed with computing
the map, prepare the finished print, submit cloth prints to the
Health Department for approval, and proceed with other matters
necessary prior to submitting them to the Planning Board for final
consideration. These prints must be submitted at least 15 days
prior to a regular meeting of the Planning Board.
Vote of the Board: .Ayes: - Mr. Wickham, Mr. Moisa, Mr. Grebe,
Mr. Young, and Mr. Unkelbach.
Mr. Lefferts Edson also appeared before the Planning Board
with his client-Mr. Ellis Terry and presented the final approval
application to the Town for the laying out of a Town highway.
This highway is to be known as Jockey Creek Drive and is located
on the east side of Main (State) Road, Southold. In February the
Planning Board approved the layout with the provision that a 50 ft.
drainage easement to the creek be provided on the southerly side
of the property with at least a 100 ft. turnaround at the end. They
also requested a 100 ft. turnaround at the easterly end of the road
where it abutts the Leicht property.
.A-,',:new map by Otto W. Van Tuyl & Son revised February 12,
1963 was presented to the Board with the suggested .changes made.
This road is bounded. and described as follows:
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Beginning. at :a point .on the. easterly line of the Main
(State) Roadat the southwesterly corner of land of Susan' H.
Terry, running -thence along, said land of-Susan H. , Terry, S.
'19° 001- 50" E. 90.27 feet; thence along said land of Susan H.
Terry• and. land ,of the Christian Science- Society, . Southold, N.Y. ,,,
N. 78° 571 50" E. 184.38 feet; thence along the last described
land and then along .land" of-'Susan. H. Terry and Raymond W. Terry
Estate, three 'courses as follows: (1) S. 7710 462 50" E. _1452.43
feet; thence (2) N. 90 351,- 30" E. . 25.-02 feet; thence (3)-" S.- 77°.
467,1'50" E. 100.' 0 feet to land- formerly of Leicht, thence along
the last described land, - S.. 90 351 30" W. 100. 10 feet to, a
monument; thence along land of said Susan H. Terry and Raymond W.'
Terry Estate and land -of M. . Glover, R. DeMott, R. W. ,Terry, Jr.
and land of'Ellis Terry three coures as . follows: (1) N. •77° 46= '
50" W. 100. 0 feet; thence (2) N. 90 351 30" E. 25. 02 feet; thence
(3) N. 770 461 50" W. 1444.43- feet- to. a monument; thence along
land of said Ellis Terry and land of George W. Smith &- Sonst• S.
780 . 571 50" W. 183.81 feet to a monument; thence along said. land �
of George ,W. Smith & Sons, ,N. 7 . 00' 50" W. 100. 0 feet to a
monument on said easterly line "of' the Main (State) Road; thence
along the last described line, N.. 100 593 ,1011 E. 50. 0 feet - to'
the point of beginning.
Together with an easement for drainage over the following
described parcel of land: Beginning at ' a concrete Imonument- set
on the southerly line of' Jockey-Creek' Drive as above described,
S.. 770 .46' 50" E. 789. 58 feet -from the monument on said southerly
line of Jockey Creek' Drive, -at. the northerly end of 1"and of-Ellis ,
Terry;, running from said point -of beginning along the southerly
line of Jockey Creek Drive,. S. 77.0 46 r 50" E. 50."00 -feet to- a
monument; thence S. 12° 131; 10" E. and passing through a monument
near its southerly end, . 310 feet, more or less, to the ordinary
high water mark of Jockey Creek;. thence northwesterly along said
ordinary high water mark 115 : feet, more or less to a point ' 100
feet westerly from the last described course., -measured at right
angles thereto; thence N. 120 131 10" W. 100. 0. feet;. thence S.
770 461 50" E. :: 50. 0 feet to a monument, thence N. 120 13 ' 10"
W. 150. 0 feet to .the point of beginning. Said easement passing
through land of- Susan H. Terry and R.. W. Terry-Estate, which proposed
highway shall pass through the lands, of' Edith M.-Terry, individually
and Edith M. Terry and Ellis M.-Terry and Raymond W. Terry, Jr. , ; as
Executors of Last-Will and Testament of'Raymond W. Terry.'- Dr. , .
. deceased,: and Susan H. Terry, who. consent. to the laying out of the
highway.
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On motion of Mr. Unkelbach, seconded by Mr. Moisa, it was
RESOLVED that the Planning Board grant approval of the
layout of Jockey-Creek Drive to Edith M. Terry, Ellis M. Terry,
Raymond W. Terry, Jr. , and Susan H. Terry, and recommend approval
of same to the Southold Town Board. Map of Jockey/Drive by Otto
W. Van Tuyl & Son revised February 12, 1963. Creek
Vote of the Board: Ayes:- Mr. Wickham, Mr. Moisa, Mr. Grebe,
Mr. Young, and Mr. Unkelbach.
On motion of Mr. Grebe, seconded by Mr. Unkelbach it was
RESOLVED that the minutes of the Southold Town Plannin g Board
dated February 11: 1963 be approved as submitted.
Vote of the Board: Ayes:- Mr. Wickham, Mr. Moisa, Mr. Grebe,
Mr. Young, and Mr. Unkelbach.
The Planning Board received from the Town Board a petition for
a change of zone from "A" Residential and Agricultural District to
"B" Business District by Joseph Riccardo and Jack Driscoll with
instructions to prepare an official report defining the conditions
described in the petition and determine the area so effected with
the recommendation of the Planning Board. The request for this
change of zone is made because the property is in a predominantly
business section. This property is bounded and described as follows:
Beginning at a monument set on the corner formed by the inter-
section of the northerly line of .Main Road New York State Route 25,
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with the easterly line of Factory Avenue; running thence North 20
22.' 40" West along the easterly line of Factory Avenue 663.35 feet
to a monument set in the southerly line of land formerly of John
Husing, later of Lee O. Karp; thence North 640 471 50" :;: East
along said last mentioned land 664.36 feet to a monument set in
the westerly line of Mattituck Cemetery; thence South 370 203 30"
East along said Cemetery 440.26 feet to a monument set in the
northerly line of said Main Road; and thence South 480 57 ' 30"
West along the northerly line of said Main Road 844.83 feet to
the point or place of beginning.
The Board discussed this proposal and on motion of Mr.
Grebe, seconded by Mr. Moisa, it was
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. . RESOLVED that Mr. Unkelbach be appointed to contact- the
trustees of the Mattituck:Cemetery to ascertain if they have any
objections to a business zone abutting- their property.
It was further: RESOLVED that this petition be held' for further
discussion at the next-.Planning Board meeting.
Vote of the Board: Ayes: Mr. Wickham, Mr. Moisa, Mr. Grebe,
Mr. Young, and Mr. Unkelbach. ; .
The- Planning Board received notification from the Riverhead
Town Board and Suffolk.Courity ,Department of 'Planning that the
Riverhead Zoning Ordinance was being amended to: 1. change the
definition of a building; 2. add anew definition of living area.; :
3. add a section which states 800 sq. ft. shall be ,the minimum
living area for any new main building to be erected, reconstructed,.
altered -or occupied; 4. and by. changing the. designation. of.'a
paragraph and deleting certain words in another paragraph.
The Planning Board noted in a recent bulletin from the New
York State Federation of:Official Planning Organizations that on
page 3 the. Federation is opposed to an amendment introduced into
the= Senate- by'Senator ' Barrett and into the Assembly by-Assemblyman
Duryea extending the -powers of the Town Board to include regulating
of house trailers, instead of only when used or occupied as living
or sleeping quarters.
On motion of Mr. Moisa, seconded by_ Mr. Grebe it was
RESOLVED that' a .letter' be .forwarded to the New York State
- Federation -of official Planning Organizations advising that the
Plannin-g Board is in favor'. of this proposed amendment and cannot ;
understand why, the Federation would oppose such an amendment without.
consulting the sponsors of the bill whohappen to be the . Town Board
of the Town � of :Southold.
Vote of .the'Board Ayes:- Mr. Wickham,. Mr. Moisa, Mr. Grebe,
Mr. Young, and Mr. Unkelbach. :.
Supervisor. Alberton •and Town Attorney Tasker appeared before
the' Planning Board and formally presented a proposed amendment to -
the Building zone-,ordinance as proposed by the Town Board. . 'This ' '
proposed amendment reads as follows:
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I. By amending' Article III,,. Section 300, Subdivision 11 of
the Building Zone Ordinance of the Town of Southold to read as.
follows:
11. When authorized as a special exception by the Board of
Appeals as hereinafter provided, one (1) sign, single or double-
faced, not more than four (4) feet in height and eight (8) feet in
width, the lower edge of which shall be not less than two (2) feet
above the ground and the upper edge of which shall not extend more
than six (6) feet above the ground, provided, however, that such
sign shall be set back not less than thirty-five (35) feet from all
street lines except that where a set-back line has been established
in the vicinity with permanent buildings of more or less than thirty-
five (35) feet, such sign shall not project beyond the set-back line
so established, and provided further that such sign shall be setback
not less than fifteen (15) feet from all property lines.
II. By amending ArticlelV, Section 408, Subdivision (b) of the
Building Zone Ordinance of the Town of Southold to read as follows:
(b) WALL SIGNS -- One (1) sign attached to or incorporated in
each building wall and advertising only the business conducted in
such building, provided such sign does not:
1. Exceed two (2) square feet in total area for each horizontal
foot of such wall, and
2. Exceed in width one hundred (100) percent of the horizontal
measurement of such wall, and
3. Exceed ten (10) feet in height, and
4. Exceed fifteen (15) feet six (6) inches from ground level
to the upper edge of sign, and
5. project more than one (1) foot from such wall.
III. By repealing Article X, Section 1002, of the Building
Zone Ordinance of the Town of Southold.
The Board members discussed each section of the proposed
amendments with the Supervisor and Attorney Tasker.
On motion of Mr. Grebe, seconded by Mr. Moisa it was
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RESOLVED that the Planning Board recommend to the Town Board the
proposed amendments to the Building Zone Ordinance as setforth
heretofore.
The Planning Board is of the opinion this is the only solution
to the sign problem which presently exists.
Vote of the Board: Ayes:- Mr. Wickham, Mr. Moisa, Mr. Grebe,
Mr. Young, and Mr. Unkelbach.
The Board briefly and informally discussed with Supervisor
Albertson and Attorney Tasker the proposed dredging projects in
the Town, land owned by the Commoners, and proposed comprehensive
plan.
On motion of Mr. Young, seconded by Mr. Grebe, it was
RESOLVED that the Planning Board set April 2, 1963, Town Office,
Main Road, Southold, New York as time and place for the next' Planning
Board meeting.
It was further RESOLVED that the members of the Greenport
Planning Board' be invited to this meeting to further discuss a
comprehensive plan for Southold Town.
Vote of the Board: Ayes: - Mr® Wickham, Mr. Moisa, Mr. Grebe,
Mr. Young, and Mr. Unkelbach.
Meeting adjourned at 10:45 P.M.
Respectfully submitted,
Jjudith T. Boken, Secretary
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