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Southold Town Planning Board
SOUTHOLD, L. I., N. Y.
PLANNING BOARD
MEMBERS
John Wickham, Chairman
Henry Moisa
Alfred Grebe
Archibald Young
William Unkelbach
M I N U T E S
SOUTHOLD TOWN PLANNING BOARD
May 21, 1963
A regular meeting of the Southold Town Planning Board was
held 7: 00 P.M. , Tuesday, . May: 21, 1963 at the Town Office, Main
Road, Southold, New York.
There were present: Messrs. John Wickham, Chairman, Alfred
Grebe, Henry.Moisa, Archibald Young, and William Unkelbach.
.- Also present: Messrs. Otto-W. Van Tuyl, Consultant and
Howard Terry, Building Inspector.
PUBLIC HEARING: The public hearing upon the application of
Ernest- and Harold Wilsberg for, approval of a subdivision plat to
be known as "West- Creek--Estates: was reopened.
The minutes of the hearing held May 7, 1963 were read.
THE CHAIRMAN: - Do they now have the approval of the Health
Department?
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MR. VAN TUYL: Yes, and the stamp of the Health Department is
on the cloth prints you have before you.
THE CHAIRMAN: We also have the letter from the Highway
Superintendent stating that he has inspected the roads at "West
Creek Estates", Bayview, and found them suitable as to layout and
reasonable access.
Since the Board found everything in order, on motion of Mr.
Grebe, seconded by Mr. Moisa, it was
RESOLVED: WHEREAS Ernest and Harold Wilsberg have petitioned
the Southold Town Planning Board for final approval of their plat
known as "West- Creek Estates", at Main Bayview Road, - Southold, New
York; and
WHEREAS, the Superintendent of Highways of the Town of Southold
has inspected the map and property and approves the highway layout
and his report is hereby approved by the Planning Board; and
WHEREAS, the Southold Town Planning Board, pursuant to due
notice thereof, held a public hearing on the matter of approval of
the plat at which time all interested persons were given an
opportunity to be heard; and
WHEREAS, the Southold Town Planning Board waives the provisions
in the rules and regulations for the subdivision of land requiring
park and playground or cash equivalent; and
WHEREAS, the highways in this subdivision will not be dedicated
to the Town of' Southold at this time, the highways must meet the
specifications of the Highway Superintendent when they are offered
for dedication, and the requirement for a performance bond is waived;
NOW THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED that the subdivision to be known as
"West Creek Estates" at Main Bayview Road, Southold, New York, con-
sisting of 33.2 acres and owned by Ernest and Harold Wilsberg be
approved.
This plat is bounded and described as folllws:Beginning at a
monument on the eaAxly line of Main Bayview Road at the southwesterly
corner of land of Polywoda; running thence along said land of Polywoda
two courses as follows: (1) S. 690 19' 10" E. 20090feet to a monument;
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thence (2) N. 260 061 30" E. 421. 66 feet to land of Dart; thence
along said land of Dart, three courses as follows: (1) S. 72°
59' 30" E. 590. 23 feet to a monument; thence (2) S. 750 091 30"
E. 727. 64 feet; thence (3) N. 140 54' 00" E. 55.86 feet; thence
along land of Wilsberg, N. 740 001 00" E. 386.83 feet; thence along
otherland of said Dart two courses as follows: (1) S. 710 421 20"
E. 345. 95 feet to a monument; thence (2) S. 260 17 ' 40" E. 415. 97
feet to the ordinary high water line of- West Creek; thence in a
general southwesterly direction along said ordinary -high water mark
about 1500 feet to the center of a gutter; thence along land of an
unknown owner and the center of said gutter, S. 780 051 40" W. about
330 feet; thence along lands of McAslan, Frederickson, Foster and
Hanff, N. 620 45' 40" W. 775 feet more or less; thence along land
of said Hanff two courses as follows: (1) S. 18' 3,1' 00" W. .165. 00
feet to a monument; thence (2) N. 650 29' 00" W. 228. 63 feet to a
monument on said easterly line of Main Bayview Road; thence along
said easterly line, N. 260 061 30" E. 407.49 feet to the pmint of
beginning.
Vote of the Board:. Ayes:- Mr. Wickham, Mr. Moisa, Mr. Grebe,
Mr. Young, and Mr. Unkelbach.
Mr. Van Tuyl brought before the Board the preliminary map of
Stars Manor. He explained that Mr. Stars had installed six drainage
basins sometime ago and the location of the basins was approved in
writing by Highway Superintendent Price. . On the preliminary ma
Mr. Van Tuyl had shown two drainage areas also. . Further, Mr. Stars
wants to leave a small strip of land for himself at the entrancb of
the property from the Main Road.
After considerable discussion, on Motion of Mr. Grebe, seconded
by Mr. Young, it was
RESOLVED that the Board does not recommend any change of the
map as to the location of the drainage areas or change of the location
of the lines of the subdivision at the entrance at the Main Road.
Vote of the Board: Ayes:- Mr. Wickham, Mr. Moisa, Mr. Grebe,
Mr. Young, and Mr. Unkelbach.
The Board received a copy of a letter from R. W. Gillispie,
Jr. ,. Chairman of the Board of Appeals to Supervisor Albertson
recommending that a survey be required in connection with building
permit applications.
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The matter of the application for a change of zone from
"A" Residential and Agricultural District to "B" Business District
by Joseph Riccardo and Jack Driscoll on property at Mattituck was
tabled to the next meeting of the Planning Board on June 11, 1963.
On motion of Mr. Unkelbach, seconded by Mr. Grebe., it was
RESOLVED that the minutes of the meeting of May 7, 1963 be approved
as submitted.
Vote of the Board: Ayes:- Mr. Wickham, Mr. Moisa, Mr. Grebe,
Mr. Young, and Mr. Unkelbach.
The next meeting of the Southold Town Planning Board will be
held 7:30 P.M. , Tuesday, June 11, 1963 at the Town Office, Main
Road, Scu thold, New York.
The Board again considered the application of A. John Gada
and Margaret J. Gada for a change of zone from "A" Residentialand
Agricultural District to "B" Business District on property on Fishers
Island. This matter was presented to the Board on May 7th and the
recommendation was held overto this date. Mr. Young and Mr. Moisa
with Mr. Terry and Mr. Grebe visited the property on Fishers Island
on May 13th and made their report. The Board has received sevdral
letters from adjoining property owners in opposition to this change
of zrn e. Letters were received from: Albert D.- Dawson, Gordon S.
Murphy, Serge J. Doyen, Jr. , Mrs. Katherine Paquet and H. Lee
Ferguson, Jr. Also many of the property owners in the area have
indicated their opposition verbally to the Board members.
Mr. Moisa and Mr. Young reported that the property abutts the
business property of the Pequot House and it is so narrow it is
almost useless at the place where it is adjacent. Also, Mr. Gada
indicates that this is a hardship and he is unable to rent these
properties for summer occupancy, but the members after investigation
found that the property is unrentable because adjoining property is
maintained by Mr. Gada as a dumping ground for his contracting
equipment and materials. Investigation also revealed that the last
tenants on property under consideration were outspoken about the
nuisance value of the applicants non-conforming property.
On motion of Mr. Unkelbach, seconded by Mr. Moisa, it was
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RESOLVED that the Planning Board is not willing to recommend
to the Town Board the change of zone from "A" Residential and Agri-
cultural District to "B" Business District on the property of A.
John Gada and Margaret J. Gada at Fishers Island. This property is
bounded and described as follows:
All those certain lots, pieces or parcels of land situate,
lying and being on Fishers Island, Town of Southold, County of
- Suffolk, and State of New York, known and designated as Lots "C",
"D", "E", "F" , "G", "H", "I", "J", and "K" on a certain map entitled
"Plan of property on Fishers Island, New York, formerly owned by Mrs.
Martha E. Hoffort, x now belonging to Southold Savings Bank, July,
1914" and filed in the office of the Clerk of the County of Suffolk
on January 2, 1915 as map number 242, together with the driveway
shown and delineated on said map, the same being bounded on the south
by the said lots C, D, E, and F and on the north by the said lots
G, H, I, J. and K.
On the tax map this property is bounded north by West Harbor,
east by M. Murphy, W Torrance, S. Doyen, Jr. and L. Middelton,
south by Montauk Avenue and west by Dawson.
The Planning Board is not willing to recommend the change of
zone in this case for the following reasons: First, the other
property of the petitioner is non-conforming but nevertheless is
"A" Residential District and if this property were to be zoned "B" ,
Business it would intrude in residential areas as per letters of
protest on file with this office. This property in question does
abut the "B" Business zone of the Pequot House but is sonarrow as
to be almost useless at the place where it is adjacent.
In the second place, Mr. Gada bases his request for change of
zone on the hardship involved in his being unable to rent these
properties for summer occupancy. Upon investigation this Board has
found that the reason they are unrentable is because the petitioner
maintains his non-conforming property as a depot or dumping ground
for contracting equipment and materials, and in our file are photographs
taken by our investigating team on May 13th showing this condition.
Inasmuch as this condition is self-imposed or at least can be
rectified by petitioner if he so desires, we fell that a change of
zone would not be necessary.
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In interviewing real estate agents on Fishers Island our
investigating team discovered that the last tenants on property
covered by this petition were quite outspoken about the nuisance
value of petitioners non-conforming property.
The contents of our file on this are available to the Town
Board at any time.
vote of the Board: Ayes: - Mr. Wickham, Mr. Moisa, Mr. Young
and Mr. Unkelbach. Mr. Grebe abstained from voting.
The meeting adjourned at 7:45 P.M.
Respectfully submitted,
Judith T. Boken, Secretary
John Wickham, Chairman