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T Southold 'Town Planning Board
S O UTH O LD, L. I., N. Y.
PLANNING BOARD
MEMBERS
John Wickham, Chairman
Henry Moisa
Alfred Grebe
Archibald Young
William Unkelbach
M I N U T 'E ' S
SOUTHOLD TOWN PLANNING BOARD
August 14, 1963
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A regular meeting of the Southold Town Planning Board was
held 7:30 P.M. ,. Wednesday,. August 14, 1963 at the Town Office,.
Main Road, Southold, New York.
There were present: Messrs.. John Wickham, Chairman, Henry
Moisa,.. Alfred Grebe,- Archibald Young,. and William Unkelbach.
. Also present: Messrs. Howard Terry, Building Inspector and
Rod Van Tuyl appearing for Otto W. Van Tuyl,. Consultant.
PUBLIC HEARING: On the question of approval of- the following
plat: Plat of property owned by Harold and Frederick-Reese,
entitled °Southold Shores at Arshamomaque,," consisting of a parcel
of land of 34 acres, situated at Greenport, Town of: Southold,
Suffolk County, New York., and bounded and described as follows:
Beginning at a point on the southeasterly line of Main
(state) Road, N. 690 07' 20" E. 151. 91 feet,. thence N. 510 37=
2011 E. 154. 01 feet along said line from the northwesterly corner
of land. of Harold& Frederick Reese; running thence along the
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southeasterly line of the Main (State) Road three courses as
follows: - (1) N. 5.1' 373 20" E. 419.45 feet; thence (2)
N. 480 043 50" E. 230.47 feet; thence (3) N. 270 461 00" E.
200. 00 feet to land of Sage; thence along said land of Sager
. S. 630 522 30" E. 927.70 feet to the ordinary high water mark
of the Boat- Basin; thence in a general southeasterly direction
and then in a general northeasterly direction along said ordinary
high water mark about 1000 feet to land of Fred Young; thence
along said land of Fred Young,. S.200 081 40" E. 40 feet to the
ordinary high water ma3k of Peconic Bay; thence in a general south-
westerly direction along said ordinary high water mark of Peconic
Bay about 1,750 feet to the point 250 feet easterly from the
westerly line of land of Harold & Frederick Reeser_ measured at
right angles thereto; thence on a line parallel to and 250 feet
easterly from said westerly line of Harold & Frederick Reese, N.
130 151 00" W. 700 feet, more or less; thence N. 760 452 00Y E.
40. 0 feet; thence N. 13' 151 00" W. 55.11 feet to the point of
begirfning.
The Chairman opened the hearing by reading notice of hearing,.
affidavit attesting to its publication in the official newspaper
and letter from the Highway Superintendent.
THE CHAIRMAN: Is there anyone present who wishes to speak
in opposition to the proposed subdivision'?
(There was no response. )
THE CHAIRMAN: Is there anyone present who wishes to speak
in favor of the proposal?
MR.. HAROID REESE appeared in favor of the application.
(The Board discussed the final map and found it to be
in order. )
THE CHAIRMAN: If there is nothing further to come before
this hearing and in view of the fact the applicant has met all
of the requirements I will declare thehearing closed.
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On motion of Mr. Unkelbach,, seconded by- Mr. Moisa.,. it was
RESOLVED: WHEREAS Harold and Frederick Reese have petitioned
the ,Southold Town 'Planning Board for final approval of their plat
known as "Southold Shores at Arshamomaque.,," at Greenport,, New York;
and
WHEREAS The Superintendent- of Highways of the Town of Southold
has inspected the road layout and found them suitable for reasonable
access and his report is hereby approved by -the Planning Board; and
WHEREAS... the Southold Town Planning .Board,, pursuant to due
notice thereof held a public hearing ,on the matter of approval of
the plat at which time all interested persons were given an
opportunity to be heard; and
WHEREAS,. the Southold Town Planning Board waives the provisions
in the rules and regulations for the subdivision of land requiring
park and playground or cash equivalent; and
WHEREAS., the highways in this subdivision will not-. be dedicated
to the Town of 'Southold at this time= the highways must meet-- the
specifications of the Highway Superintendent when they are offered
for dedication=. and the requirement. for a performance bond is waived;
NOW THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED that the subdivision to be known
as "SoutholdShores at Arshamomaque".,. Greenport,, New York,. consisting
of. 34 acres and owned by Harold and Frederick Reese be approved.
This plat is bounded and described as follows: Beginning at; a
point on the southeasterly line of Main (State) Road,. N. 690 072 ,
20? E. 151. 91 eet,_ thence N. 510 371 20" E. 154. 01 feet along said
line from the northwesterly corner of land of Harold & Frederick
Reese; running thence alcn g the southeasterly line of the Main
%State) Road three courses as follows:- (1) N. 510 371 ,20" E.
419.45 feet; thence (2) N. 48° 043 5 0" E. 23 0.47 feet; thence .(3) ,
N. 270 46' 00" E. 200. 00 feet to land of Sage; thence along said
land of. Sager,. S. 630 523 30" E. 927.70 feet to the ordinary high
water mark of the Boat Basin; thence in a general southeasterly
direction and then in a general northeasterly direction along said
ordinary high water mark about 1000 feet to land of Fred Young;
thence along said land of Fred Young,. S. 200 082 40" E. 40 feet
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to the ordinary high water mark of- Peconic Bay; thence in a general
southwesterly direction along said ordinary high water mark of
:Peconic Bay about 1,750 feet to a point 250 feet - easterly from
the westerly line of land of Harold & Frederick Reese.,. measured
at right angles thereto; thence on a line parallel to and 250 feet
easterly from said westerly line of Harold & Frederick Reese, N.
130 153 00" W. 700 feet,. more or less; thence N. 760 451 00" E.
40. 0 feet; thence N.. 13° 153 00" W. 55.11 feet to the point of
beginning.
Vote of the Board: Ayes:- Mr. Wickham,, Mr. Moisai. Mr. Grebe,.
Mr. Young, and Mr. Unkelbach.
The Planning Board received from the Town Board the original
petition. of' Carl Henry Besch and Ethel R. Besch of Mattituck, New
York relative to a change of zone from "A" Residential and Agricultural
District to "B" Business District on certain property situated in
Mattituck, New York,. with instructions to prepare an official report
defining the conditions described in the petition and determine the
area so effected with the recommendation of the Board.
This property is bounded and described as follows: Beginning
at a point on the northerly side of Main Road as widened at the
southwest corner of the premises herein described adjoining the
easterly side of premises now or formerly of William Maston; running
thence along the easterly side of land now or formerly of William
Maston North 34 degrees 15 minutes 00 seconds West 182.36 feet to
land of the Long Island Railroad Co. ; running thence along the land
of the Long Island Railroad Co. the following three courses and
distances: (1) North 47 degrees 06 minutes 40 seconds 'East 302. 96
feet (2) North 26 degrees 38 minutes 30 seconds West 12 feet (3) North
45 degrees 27 minutes 30 seconds East 478. 09 feet to the westerly
line of land now or formerly of C. A. Price & Co. ,"Inc. ; running
thence along the westerly side of land now or formerly of C. A.
Price & Co. ,. Inc. and land now or formerly of H.. Kersnowski.,. South
26 degrees 00 minutes 30 seconds East425.37 feet to the northerly
side of Main Road; running thence along the northerly side of Main
Road the following five courses and distances;. (10 South 52
degrees 39 minutes 00 seconds West 34.31 feet; (2) South 52 degrees
56 minutes 30 seconds West 158.69 feet; (3) South 63 degrees 19
minutes 40 seconds West 241. 91 feet; (4) South 69 degrees 19
minutes 00 seconds West 109.61 feet; (5) 'South 71 degrees 19
minutes 00 seconds West 178. 00 feet to the point or place of beginning.
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The• applicants state the reason for the requested change isil
for the purpose of operating a riding academy on the premises.
The Board examined the map by- Otto W. Van Tuyl &' Son dated
-October 19,, 1962 which appeared in the file and discussed the
character of the area.
OnImotion of. Mr. Grebe,. seconded by Mr. Moisa,, i t was
RESOLVED that the Planning Board recommends favorably to the
Town Board the the property of Carl Henry Besch and Ethel R. Besch
beychanged from "A" Residential and Agricultural District to "B" ,
Business District.
. It is further -RESOLVED that the Planning Board recommends that
. the Town Board on its own motion zone "B" Business the property on
the north side of Main Road from the westerly side of property, of
C. A. Price & Co..,, Inc..,, presently zoned "B" Business,. to the westerly
side of the property of William Maston adjoining a private right-of-
way. This property should be -zoned the full depth to 'the property of
the Long Island Railroad Company.
In view of the fact- Henry Kersnowski has requested that he be
included in this change of zone, and he presently operates a non-
conforming farm stand on his propertyt it is the opinion of the Plan-
ning Board this entire area should be zoned 'B" Business. This area
on the northerly side of Main Road,. Laurel,, is fast becoming a
commercial area and should be zoned correctly for that use.
Vote of the Board: Ayes:- Mr. Wickham,. Mr. Moisa,. Mr. Grebe.:,
Mr. Young.;, and Mr. Unkelbach.
On motion of Mr. Mcasa,, seconded by Mr. Young,, it was
RESOLVED that the minutes of July 16, 1963 be approved as
submitted.
Vote of :the Board: Ayes:- Mr. Wickham,. .Mr. Moisa, Mr.
Grebe,, Mr. Young, and Mr. Unkelbach.
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Mr. Van Tuyl presented to the Board the final map of
"Stars Manor" at East Marion,, New York,. and advised that the
map is now ready for the final hearing. The last detail is the
report of the Highway Superintendent which will be secured by
' Mr. Costas Stars' attorney.
On motion of Mr. Moisa, seconded by Mr. Young, it was
RESOLVED that the Planning Board set 7:30 P.M. ,. Tuesday,
September 17,. 1963,. Town Office,- Main Road, Southold, New York,
as time and place for hearing upon the question of approval of the
following plat:
Plat of, property owned by, Costas Stars,.. entitled "Stars
Manor, " consisting of a parcel of land of 17.50 acres, situated
at East Marion, Town of Southold, Suffolk- County,. New York, and
bounded and described as follows:
(See page 9 for legal description. )
Vote of the Board: Ayes:- Mr.- Wickham, Mr. Moisa, Mr. Grebe,,
Mr. Young,. and Mr. Unkelbach.
Mr. Young brought up the point before the Board that he
felt all future proposed businessstreets should be 70 ft. in width
to allow for parking on either side and sufficient room for two
cars to pass. The Board was inclined to agree with Mr. Young and
kept that point in mind in connection with the next application.
The Board received from the Town Board the original petitions
of (1) William J. Baxter, Jr. , and (2) ' William J. Baxter, Jr. ,
. Patricia Baxter, Robert A. Goeller, Jr. , Jane P:. Goeller and
William J. Baxter, Sr. requesting a change of zone from "A"
Residential and Agricultural District to "B" Business` District
with the instructions to prepare an official report defining the
conditions described in the petitions and determine the area so
affected with the recommendation of the Board.
The property of William J. Baxter,. Jr. is situated in Cutchogue,
New York and more particularly bounded and described as follows:
Beginning at a point on the northeasterly line of Griffing Street
294. 93 feet northwesterly along saidnortheasterly line from the
Main Road; said point of beginning being the westerly corner of
land of Schneider; from said point of beginning running along said
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northeasterly line of Griffing Streets three courses as follows:
(1) N. 39' 09= 20" W. 4.56 feet; thence (2) N. 49' 341 40" W.
122.50 feet; thence (3) N. 38°05' 40" W. 554. 91 feet; thence
northeasterly on a curve to the right having a radius of 24.56
feet a distance of 39. 01 feet to the southeasterly line of School
House Road; thence along said southeasterly lines N. 52° 551 20"
E. 144. 10 feet- to land of Wickham; thence along said land of Wickham
two courses as follows: (1) S. 37' 041 40" E. 219.84 feet; thence
(2) S. 36' 531 20" E. 306. 04 feet; thence along said land of Wickham
and along land of Cases S. 370 20' 20" E. 140.56 feet; thence along
land of Wolfs. S. 37' 342 20" E. 35. 20 feet; thence along said land
of Schneider, S. 510 , 551 40" W. 131. 92 feet to the point of beginning.
Map by -Otto W. Van Tuyl & -Son dated .August 5r. 1963.
The property of-William J. Baxter,, Jr.s_ Patricia:. Baxter.,. Robert
A. Goeller, Jr. .., Jane P. Goeller and-William J. Baxterr . Sr. is
situated in Cutchogue, New York, and more particularly bounded and
described as follows: Beginning at the intersection of the north-
westerly line of School House Road with the southwesterly line of
Griffing Street and running along said southwesterly line of Griffing
Streets two courses as follows: (1) S. 380 052 40" E. 635.81 feet;
thence (2) S. 490 341 40" E. 122. 98 feet; thence along land of the
Roman- Catholic- Diocese of' Rockville Centre three courses and
distances as follows: (1) S. 70' 282 40" W. 23.67 feet; thence
(2) S. 39' 519 40" W. 185.55 feet; thence (3) N. 370 13' 30" W.
790.57 feet; thence along other land of the petitioners herein
on the direct extension southwesterly of said northwesterly line
of School House Road, N. 520 553 20" E. 167.39 feet to the point
of beginning. Map by Ottb W. Van Tuyl & Son dated August 5, 1963.
After reviewing the aforementioned petitions the Board,,, on
motion of Mr. Moisa, seconded by Mr. Young
RESOLVED that the matter, be held for the next meeting of' the,
Planning Board and in the meantime the Board would meet with
Monsignor Brennan and William J. Baxter relative to widening and
straightening Griffing Street. The Board feels the road should
be 60 ft. or 70 ft. wide. The Chairman advised that he owns
property in the area and he would also be willing to give up 10 ft.
additional to widen the road.
Vote of the Board: Ayes: - Mr. Wickham, Mr. Moisa, Mr. Grebe,
Mr. Young, and Mr.Unkelbach.
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A letter was forwarded to the Southold Town Board advising
that the matter is being held for the September 17th meeting
so that the Board may meet with Monsignor Brennan,. and Mr.
Baxter.
The next meeting of the Southold Town Planning Board will
be held 7:30 P.M. ,, Tuesday, September 17, 1963 at the Town Office,
Main, Road, Southold,, New York.
The Board received a bulletin from the Suffolk- County Health
Department- which states in part -that after January 1,. 1965 public
sewage facilities will be required for all realty subdivisions.
The Chairman stated that he had received a letter from Malcolm
Pirnie giving a report on the ground water resources in the Town
cf Southold by the State Water Resources Commission which he found.
very interesting. They plan to have Mr. Whitlock meet with the
Board in the near future to discuss this subject further. Correspond-
ence was also had ;.:by.:; the Chairman and Dr. Olaf Larson, Head of the
Department of Rural Sociology at-.Cornell. Dr. Larson and Mr. Howard
Conklin propose to visit with the Planning Board in early October
to get a first- hand understanding of the situation. In• September
' Mr. Wickham will meet with the Director of Cornell University,
W. K. Kennedy. The dates of October 15th or 22nd were suggested
for meeting with Dr. Larson and Mr. Conklin.
The Board briefly discussed the forthcoming budget for 1964.
It was felt an increase in the salaries of the Planning Board
would be in order since a great- deal of work lies ahead in the
formulating of the Master Plan. It was further felt .Mr. Grebe
should be compensated slightly higher than the others because of
his difficulty in traveling to and from Fishers Island for the
Planning Board meetings.
There was considerable discussion relative to the highway
specifications. Mr. Young stated that he feels the .specifications
should be revised because dedication cannot be accomplished wi-.
the regulations the way they are now. Further, construction
methods should be revised and standardized for all subdivisions.
The proposed sand pit ordinance was briefly discussed.
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The following is the legal description of the proposed
subdivision of- Costas Stars to be known as "Stars Manor" at
. East Marion. This description is continued from page 6:
Beginning at a concrete monument on the northerly line of
Main Road at the southeasterly corner of land of Costas Stars
and running thence along said northerly line of Main Road, S. 570
24' 20" W. 50. 43 feet; thence along other land of said Costas
Starstwo courses as follows: - (1) N. 25' 05 ' 20" W. 218. 97 feet;
thence (2) N. 190 59' 30" W. 21. 63 feet thence along land of
Costas Stars and land of Eldredge and land of Malinauscas, S.
830 18 ' 50" W. 180. 63 feet; thence along land of- Dzenkowski,
four courses as follows:- (1) N. 100 58' 30" W. 2705.89 feet;
thence (2) N. 810 34' 10" W. 40. 65 feet; thence (3) N. 100 51'
30" W. 138. 64 feet; thence (4) N. 110 23 ' 30" W. 386.42 feet;
thence along land of' Conde, N. 780 36' 30" E. 170 feet; thence
along land of Wagner two courses as follows: - (1) S. 110 23 '
30" E. 40.84 feet; thence (2) N. 78' 36 ' 30" E. 109. 13 feet, thence
along land of Schroeder, six courses as follows:- (1) S. 100 31'
00" E. 574.81 feet; thence (2) S. 10' 17 ' 20" E. 2477. 76 feet;
thence (3) N. 830 18' 40" E. 2 0. 04 feet; thence (4) S. 130 391
50" E. 176.83 feet; thence (5) S. 380 10' 20" E. 29. 92feet; thence
(6) S. 220 56' 40" E. 181. 14 feet to the point of beginning.
The meeting adjourned at 9: 15 P.M.
Respectfully submitted,
Judith T. Boken, Secretary
John Wickham, Chairman