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Southold Town Planning Board
S O LJTH O LD, L. I., N. Y.
PLANNING BOARD
MEMBERS
John Wickham, Chairman
Henry Moisa
Alfred Grebe
Archibald Young
William Unkelbach
M I N U T'E" S
SOUTHOLD TOWN PLANNING BOARD
September 17, 1963
A regular meeting of the Southold Town: Planning Board
was held 7:30 P.M. , Tuesday, September 17, 1963 at the Town
Office, Main Road, Southold, New York.
There were present: Messrs. John Wickham, Chairman,. Henry
Moisa, Alfred Grebe,. Archibald Young, and William Unkelbach.
Also present: Messrs. Otto'W. . Van Tuyl, Consultant and
Howard Terry, Building Inspector.
PUBLIC HEARING: On the question of approval of the follow-
ing plat: Plat of property owned by-Costas' Stars, entitled
. "Stars Manor, " consisting of' a parcel of land of 17.50 acres,
situated at East Marion,_ Town of Southold, Suffolk County, New
York, and bD unded and described as follows:
Beginning at a concrete monument on the northerly line
of'Main Road at the southeasterly corner of land of Costas
- Stars and running thence along said northerly line of Main
Road,. S. 570 24' 20" W. 50.43 feet; thence along other land
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of said Costas Stars two courses as follows:- (1) N. 250
05' 20" W. 218. 97 feet; thence (2) N. 190 59' 30" W. 21.63 feet;
thence along land of Costas Stars and land of'Eldredge and land
of Malinauscas, S. 83' 18' 50" W. 180. 63 feet; thence along
land of Dzenkowski, four courses as follows:- (1) N. 100 58'
30" W. 2705.89 feet; thence (2) N. 81' 349 10" W. 40. 65 feet;
thence (3) N. 100 51' 30" W. 138.64 feet; thence (4) N. 110
23 ' 30" W. ' 386.42 feet; thence along land of Conde, N. 780 36'
30" E. 170 feet; thence along land of Wagner two courses as
follows:- (1) S. 11' 23 ' 30" E. 40.84 feet; thence (2) N. 780
36' 30" E. 109.13 feet; thence along land of Schroeder, six
courses as follows: - (1) S. 100 31' 00" E. 574.81 febt; thence
(2) S. 100 17 ' 20" E. 2477.76 feet; thence (3) N. 830 18' 40"
' E. 20. 04 feet; thence (4) S. 130 39' 50" E. 176.83 feet; thence
(5) S. 38' 10' 20" E. 29. 92 feet; thence (6) S. 220 56' 40" E.
181. 14 feet to the point of beginning.
yr. Young opened the hearing and the legal notice of the
hearing and affidavit of publication by the official newspaper
were read.
Mr. Young read the letter from the Superintendent of
Highways which stated he had inspected the proposed roads
at Stars Manor, East Marion, New York, and found them suitable
as to layout and reasonable access.
MR. YOUNG: Is there anyone present who wishes to speak
in opposition to this development?
MR. THEODORE SCHROEDER: I am not here to oppose this.
There is just one question. He bounds us on the west, does
this road abut us or is there any property left between us and
the road?
STANLEY CORWIN, ESQ. : There is no buffer zone. The
easterly line of the road is now the westerly line of your
property.
MR. SCHRODER: what about the jog at the beginning of
the road. Before there was a strip left there between us
and the road.
MR. CORWIN: That is no longer that way. That is all
public property and it is not reserved to the owner.
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MR. YOUNG: Is there anyone else here who has anything
in opposition to this subdivision?
(There' was no response. )
MR. YOUNG: I's there anyone here who wishes to speak in
favor of this subdivision?
(There was no response. )
MR. CORWIN:' I represent Mr. Stars. I do not have anything
I wish to say for the recordr other than the application speaking
for itself. I havenothing to add.
MR. YOUNG: If there is no further discussion we will
declare the hearing closed.
On motion of Mr. Unkelbach, seconded by Mr. Grebe, it was
RESOLVED: WHEREAS Costas Stars has petitioned the Southold
Town Planning Board for final approval of his plat known as
"Stars Manor" at- East Marion, New York; and
WHEREAS the Town Superintendent of Highways has inspected
the road layout and found them suitable for reasonable access
and his repott is hereby approved by the Planning Board; and
WHEREAS the Southold Town Planning Board, pursuant to due
notice thereof held a public hearing on the matter of approval
of the plat at which time all interested persons were given an
opportunity to be heard; and
WHEREAS the Southold Town Planning Board waives the provisions
in the rules and regulations for the subdivision of land requiring
park and playground or cash equivalent; and
WHEREAS the highways in this subdivision will not be dedicated
to the Town of Southold at this time, the highways must meet the
specifications of the Highway Superintendent when they are offered
for dedication, and the requirement for a performance bond is
waived;
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NOW TBEREFORE BE IT' RESOLVED that the subdivision to be
known as "Stars Manor", East Marion, New York, consisting of
17. 50 acres and owned by Costas Stars be approved.
This plat is bounded and described as follows: Beginning
at. a concrete monument on the northerly line of Main Road at
the southeasterly corner of land of Costas Stars and running
thence along said northerly line of Main Road, S. 570 24' 20"
W. 50.43 feet; thence along other land of said Costas Stars
two courses as follows:- (1) N. 250 05 ' 20" W. 218. 97 feet;
thence (2) N. 190 59' 30" W. 21. 63 feet; thence along land of
Costas Stars and land of Eldredge and land of Malinauscas, S.
830 18 ' 50" W. 180. 63 feet; thence along land of Dzenkowski,
four courses as follows:- (1) N.' 100 58 ' 30" W. 2705.89 feet;
thence (2) N. 810 34' 10" W. 40. 65 feet; thence (3) N. 100 51'
3011 .W. 138. 64 feet; thence (4) N. 110 23 ' 30" W. 386.42 feet;
thence along land of' Conde, N. 780 36 ' 30" E. 170 feet; thence
along land of Wagner two courses as follows: - (1) S. 110 23 '
30" E. 40.84 feet; thence (2) N. 780 36' 30" E. 109. 13 feet; thence
along land of Schroeder, six courses as follows:- (1) S. 100
31' 0011 E. 574.81 feet; thence (2) S. 10' 17 ' 20" E. 2477. 76
feet; thence (3) N. 830 18' 40" E. 20. 04 feet; thence (4) S.
130 39' 50" E. 176.83 feet; thence (5) S. 38' 10' 20" E. 29. 92
feet; thence (6) S. 22' 56' 40" E. 181. 14 feet to the point of
beginning.
Vote of the Board: Ayes: - Mr. Wickham, Mr. Moisa, Mr.
Grebe, Mr. Young, and Mr. Unkelbach.
Mr. George Schrodder discussed withfhe Planning Board
and Mr. Stanley Corwin the dedication procedure for Stars
Road in the newly approved, subdivision.
On motion of Mr. Moisa, seconded by Mr. Young, it was
RESOLVED that the minutes of the Southold Town Planning
Board of August 14, 1963 be approved as submitted.
Vote of the Board: Ayes:- Mr. Wickham, Mr. Moisa, Mr.
Grebe, Mr. Young, and Mr. Unkelbach.
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The Chairman reported that several members of the Planning
Board met with Monsignor Brennan and discussed widening Griffing
Street and he was most cooperative. The' Chairman thereafter met
with Stanley Case and he feels that School Street Extension and
North Street should be widened at the same time. Mr. Case would
be willing to dedicate 10 feet to his barn and 5 feet to the
highway. The Chairman then talked to William Baxter, Sr. and
his attorney- William Wickham, and since he owns both sides of
Griffing. Street he does not see how it would hurt hire.. William
Baxter, Jr. and Sr. both said they were going to give 20 feet
. along the rectory to Monsignor' Brennan but they have not done
this as yet.
The Chairman feels there is no reason this block cannot be
60 feet to Stanley Case' s house lot and 55 feet from there to
the street and the Board is agreeable to that.
On motion of Mr. Moisa, seconded by: Mr. Grebe, it- was
RESOLVED that a letter be forwarded to the Town Board
advising that the Planning Board has been working on the,
petitions of (1) William J. Baxter, Jr. and (2) William J.
Baxter, Jr. , Patricia Baxter, Robert A. Goeller, Jr. , Jane
P. Goeller and William J. Baxter, Sr. and feel they are making
some progress toward widening Griffing Street, School Street
Extension and North Street. All parties concerned in the
widening have been most cooperative, they are Monsignor Brennan,
William J. Baxter, Sr. and his attorney William Wickham, Stanley
Case and John Wickham. At this time they are attempting to get
final agreement and an offer of dedication.
vote of the Board: Ayes:- Mr. Grebe, Mr. Wickham, Mr.
Moisa, Mr. Young, and Mr. Unkelbach.
Mr. Young wished the record to show that the Planning
Board is very much in favor of 70 ft. roads in any future
business areas and the Planning Board concurred with this and
is fully in agreements
Notification was received from the Suffolk County Depart
ment of. Health, Riverhead, stating that effective October 1,
1963 a filing fee of $3. 50 per lot will be required for all
realty subdivisions approved by their office.
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On motion of Mr. Grebe, seconded by Mr. Young, it was
RESOLVED that the following Annual Estimate be submitted
to the Southold Town Board for the fiscal year beginning January
1, 1964:
Expenditures:
Stationery, postage, printing
Advertising legal notices, etc. $300. 00
Telephone (Chairman) and Office 30. 00
Association of Towns Mtg. - New York 350. 00
Office Equipment 150. 00
Transportation (Fishers Island Member) 800. 00
Car Expenses C $ . 10 75. 00
Member Remuneration } Chairman $1050. 00
Fishers Island Member 1050. 00
Others 950. 00 4950. 00
TOTAL EXPENDITI]RES $ 6655. 00
Revenues:
(Estimated)
Income from Subdivision Applications $ 350. 00.
Dated September 17, 1963.
Vote of the Board: Ayes:- Mr. Wickham, Mr. Moisa, Mr.
Grebe, Mr. Young, and .Mr. Unkelbach.
It was FURTHER RESOLVED that a letter be forwarded to the
Southold Town Board stating that the Planning Board is progressing
rapidly toward a Master Plan and it is our belief that there will
be some real expense in that connection. We think the Town Board
should be prepared for it with a separate budget item either
specifically for a Master Plan, under Town Engineering, or some
other way.
Vote of the Board: Ayes: - Mr. Wickham, Mr. Moisa, Mr.
Grebe, Mr. Young, and Mr. Unkelbach.
The Chairman informed the Board that in,.late August he
attended a hearing in Riverhead held by the Water Resources
Commission relative to classifying all surface waters, bays
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and creeks in Southold, Riverhead, Shelter Island and other
townships and he discovered that in classifying quite a few of
the creeks in Southold Town they were designated as unfit for
shellfishing either commercial or otherwise. They were given
90 days in which to file recommendations. The Chairman wrote
a letter to Supervisor Albertson apprising him of the situation
and suggested that it be determined who in the Town should make
the study. Supervisor Albertson suggested that the Planning
Board do it and call on the Town Trustees to approve it. However
the Planning Board has received no official communication from
the Supervisor on this. The Chairman suggested that the Planning
Board set aside some time at their next meeting to study this
matter. A letter was directed to the Town Trustees apprising
them of the situation and enclosing a copy of the Chairman's
letter to Supervisor' Albertson relative to this.
A letter was also forwarded to Supervisor' Evans K. Griffing
of' Shelter Island advising him of the classification stating
that this Town is taking steps to rectify the situation and hope
his Town Board will do the same.
A letter was also forwarded to Colonel A. F. Dappert of
the NewYork- State' Department of Health, Albany requesting six
copies of the report: "Suffolk- County Survey Series No. 5,
Surface Waters of Eastern Suffolk County. " Also requesting
the name of the engineer or technician responsible for locating
test points as the Chairman's study of the aforementioned report
seems to indicate that some of the creeks we are interested in
had no tests in the salt area.
The next meeting of the Southold Town Planning Board will
be held 7: 30 P.M. , Tuesday, October 1, 1963 at the Town Office,
Main Road, Southold, New York.
Meeting adjourned at 9: 30 P.M.
Respectfully submitted,
Judith T. Boken, Secretary
ohn Wickham, Chairman