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Southold Town Planning Board
SOUTHOLD, L. I., N. Y.
! PLANNING BOARD
MEMBERS
John.Wickham, Chairman
Henry Moisa
Alfred Grebe
Archibald Young
William Unkelbach
M 'I N U T 'E S
SOUTHOLD TOWN PLANNING BOARD
July 18, 1961
A regular meeting of the Southold Town Board of planning
was held 7:30 •P.g. , , Tuesday, July 18, 1961 at the Town Clerk
-Office, , Main Road,, Southold, New York.
There were present: Messrs. John Wickham, Chairman, Henry
Moisa, and Archibald Young.
Absent: Messrs., Alfred Grebe and William Unkelbach, (illness�
(weather prevented flying)
. Also present: Messrs. Otto W. Van, Tuyl, .consultant, Howard
Terry, Building Inspector, azd Harold Price, Highway-Superintendent.
Mr. _ Costas 'Stars appeared before the Planning Board for a
discussion..- Mr. .: Stars has a map of :a proposed subdivision on the
north side Route 25, East 'Marion, containing approximately 30 lots.
Mr. - Stars is providing a 50 ft. road through the entire subdivision
-which he intends to dedicate to the Town, but-at,-the northerly end
there is a jog and one of 'the Property owners at that point, .Mr.
Frumenti, , will. not sell Mr. Stars enough land to make the- road 50
ft. Mr. Price stated that he does not feel the Town ,will be able
to take over the road unless the entire length is 50 ft. The' State
Law requires 50 ft. fora Town Road.
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It was ' the feeling of the Planning Board that a third party
should speak to the property owner, Mr. Frumenti,, to see if some
solution could be reached between Mr.- Stars and Mr. Frumenti. It
was felt that Mr. Young would be the best person for this job and
Mr. Young stated he would attempt to reach some mutual agreement.
Mr. Van Tuyl stated he would prepare, a sketch showing the .exact
amount of land needed and accompany Mr. Young.
Mr. John Marshut and a delegation from Laughing Waters, . Southold,
appeared before the Planning Board to discuss the development of
:Corey Creek fora Town operated marina. They feel this creek would
be a very good harbor fora boat marina and possibly an area for
bird conservation.
_ After :a thorough discussion the Planning Board advised Mr.
Marshut and the delegation that the Planning Board is in favor of
such a project but they do not feel it will materialize for - some
time.
Mr. William Smith appeared before the Planning Board with the
cloth prints and road profiles for the proposed subdivision Fairview
Park, south side Pine Neck Road, Southold.
On motion of Mr. Moisa, seconded by Mr. Young, it was
RESOLVED that the Planning Board set 7:30 P.M. , Tueday, :August,
1, 1961, Town .Clerk :office, . Main Road, . Southold, New York, as time
and place ; for. hearing upon the 'question of approval of the following
plat:
Plat -of property owned by the Southold Development Corporation,
entitled Fairview Park at Southold, . consisting of :a parcel of land of
.' approximately 23. 00 acres, situated at - Southold, in the Town of :Southold,
Suffolk County` • New York, . and generally bounded and described,,as follows:
Beginning at a point on the southerly line of Pine Neck- Road
at the northeasterly corner of land -formerly of 'Breitstadt and the
northwesterly-corner of land formerly of 'Leicht and running. thence
along the southerly line' of -Pine Neck Road, S.71031130"E. 50. 09
feet; thence.. along other . land of Southold Development �Corporation,
four courses, . as follows: (1) '.S. 1405913011W. 150. 28 feet; thence
(2) S.710311-3011E. 296.30 feet; thence (3) S.83047 '10"E. 378. 06 feet;
thence '(4) N. 904014011E. 150. 28 feet to the southerly line of .said
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Pine Neck{ Road; thence along said line of :Pine Neck Road, S.834711011E.
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50. 09 feet to land pf William E. Park; thence along -said land of
William E. Parks tvo courses as follows: (1) ' S. 904014011W. 120. 0
feet; thence (2) ' S.80°19120"E. 160. 0 feet to land'of Breitstadt
Estate; thence along last described land, S. 9'40140"W. 1093.32
feet; thence along other land of 'Southold Development-Corp. , four'
courses, as follows: (1) N.72°39120"W. 579.32 feet; thence (2)
S.1103711011W. 95. 0 feet.; thence (3) S.78'22150"E. 50. 0 feet; thence
(4) S. 11'37110"W. 100. 0 feet. to land of :Al'fred E. Dart; thence along
said land of :Dart, three courses, . as follows: (1) -N.790�0114011W. .
. 37.44 feet; . thence (2) N.77'11130"W. 394.60 feet; thence (3) N.77
3412011W. 46.39 feet to other land of= Southold Development-Corp. ;
thence along last described land, . four courses as follows: (1)
N.13°16130"E. '159. 65 ' feet; thence. (2) N. 12°4013011E. 40.36 feet;
thence (3) N..77034'2011W. 318.41 feet; thence '(4) N.73°51 ' 00"W..
313.87 feet to the easterly line of Main Bayview Road; thence
along said Main 'Fayview .Road, 14. 18'56"50"E. 50. 04 feet; thence
.along said other land of Southold Development-Corp. , four courses,
as follows: (1) ' S.73051' 00"E. 309.80 feet; thence (2) S.77034'20"E.
317. 0 feet; thence (3) N.12°40130"E. 259.80 feet; thence (4)
N.14059'30"E. 698.80 feet to the point, of beginning.
Map of Section 'One,. Fairview Park at-Southold, by Otto W.
Van Tuyl & Son dated July 12, 1961.
Vote of the Board: Ayes:- Mr. Wickham, Mr. Moisa, . and Mr.
Young.
The Planning Board .again discussed the petition of G. W. Smith
& Sons, Inc. and Southold Developmnt- Corp. for a. change of zone
from "A" Residential and Agricultural 'District to "M" Multiple
residence District. Mr.. William .Smith .stated that the prospective
purchaser , who does contract work .for G. W. Smith & Sons', wishes
to build either a duplex or- motel on the property. He does not
wish to go to the expense of 'preparing plans. until he receives
some indication on the status of the change of zone.
On motion of Mr. Moisa, seconded by Mr. Young., it _was
RESOLVED that the Planning Board recommend to the Town
Board this change of .zone from "A" Residential and Agricultural
District to '"M" Multiple Residence District on certain real
property situated at-.Southold and. more particularly bounded and
described as follows: PARCEL ONE: Beginning at a concrete
monument marking the corner formed by the intersection of the
southerly s.ide .of :Lake'Drive with the easterly side of Lake
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Court; thence running northeastwardly along said .southerly side of
Lake Drive 1,261. 99 feet to the point where the westerly side of
the premises hereby described intersects same; thence running South
44 degrees 24 minutes, 30 seconds. East 171 feet, more or less, to
the mean high waterline of Lake Leeton, formerly known as Great
- Pond, at the point or place of beginning of the premises hereby
described; ' Beginning at`the last-mentioned point of beginning,
thence running North 44 degrees, 24 minutes, 30 seconds 'West 171
feet, more or less, to the southerly side of-Lake Drive; thence
running eastwardly along said southerly side of Lake 'Drive 332. 91
feet to a concrete monument; thence on an arc bearing fight a
distance of 49.57 feet to a concrete monument set in the westerly,
side of Kenny' s Road marking the intersection of the westerly side
of. Kenny's Road, and the southerly side of Lake Drive; thence- run-
ning southwardly along the westerly side of Kenny's Road a distance
of 101. 57 feet to a concrete:monument; thence'South 49 degrees, 07
minutes -West 35.38 feet, more or less, to the mean high water line
of :Lake Leeton; thence westwardly along the mean high- water line of-
lake Leeton, as it winds and turns," to the point or place of beginning.
PARCEL TWO: Beginning at a point on the southwesterly line of
'Kenny's Road, 275. 0 feet northwesterly along said- southwesterly
line from Sound View Avenue, said point .of beginning being the
northerly corner of land heretofore conveyed by the party of the
first part to D'Antonio; thence from said point of beginning running
along said land of' D'Antonio, South 47 degrees 49 minutes 40
seconds West 5 'feet, more or less, to the shore of Qreat 'Pofid;.
thence along said shore northerly and then easterly and then
northeasterly about 175 feet. to other land of the patty of the
first part; thence along said land of the party of the first part,
North 47 degrees. 49 minutes 40 seconds East. 15 feet, more or less,
to a monument. on said southwesterly line of-Kenny's Road; thence
along said southwesterly line, . South 42 degrees 10 minutes -20
seconds East 147.43 feet to the point of beginning.
Map of property surveyed for the- Southold Development Corp.
at Southold by Otto W. Van Tuyl & :Son, dated April 24, 1961.
The Planning Board has investigated this property and feel
that' a multiple residence use would be in conformity with the area.
The Planning' Board has requested additional information .on the
proposal and in return has found that the prospective purchaser, . who
has been doing contract work for-G. W. Smith & Sons, insists he is
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going to build a duplex or motel, . it is felt this would be a good use
of the property. It .is obvious, however, that such a building will
have to be placed on higher land.
Vote -of the Board: Ayes:- Mr.- Wickham; Mr. Moisa, and Mr.
Young.
The' Planning Board received from the Town Board the original
-petition of Guido Ciacia requesting a . change -of zone from ."A"
Residential and Agricultural District to "B" Business District on
certain. real -property situated at'Arshomomaque and bounded and
described as follows: Beginning at a point formed by the ' inter-
section of the northerly line of'Kerwin Boulevard .and the easterly
line of the Main (State) Road, . and running thence N. 30'24120"E.
along said easterly line of Main Road 50 feet to land now 'or formerly
of Mann, thence easterly along said land now or formerly of;Mann
S.59. 35 '40"E. 125 feet to a point; thence northerly along said land
now or - formerly of Mann N.3002412011E. 25 ' feet to a point; thence
easterly along said land now or formerly of Mann..S. 59035.140'.'E.
62.50 feet to a point; thence northerly. along said land now or
formerly of Mann N.30024'20"E. 75.00 feet to a point; thence east-
erly along said land-now or formerly of Mann S. 59'35.'40"E. 62.50
feet to the westerly line of a private road, "Lawrence Lane"; thence
southerly along said westerly line of said "Lawrence Lane" 5.30024120"
W. i50 feet to northerly line of Kerwin Boulevard; thence westerly
along said northerly line of. Kerwin Boulevard N.59035 '40"W. 250
feet -to the easterly line of the Main Road at the point or place
of beginning. Map of land of Guido Ciacia at -Arshamomaque, by Otto
W. Van Tuyl & Bon, dated May 3, 1961.
On motion of`Mr.. Young, seconded by Mr. Moisa, it.-was
RESOLVED that the Planning Board recommend to the Town Board
this change of zone from ."A" Residential and Agricultural District
to II WI Business. District.
The=Planning Board finds that this property .is presently non-
conforming business. Mr. Ciacia has conducted .a boat building,
repair business and carpenter shop -on the premises for many years.
There presently exists a "B" Business 'District to the south of
Mr. . Ciacia on the corner of Kerwin Boulevard and Main . (State) Road.
On the opposite side of 'Main (State)' Road, from the railroad over-
pass easterly to Greenport, the land is zoned "B" Business.
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Vote' of the Board: Ayes:- Mr. Wickham, Mr. . Moisa, and
Mr. Young.
The minutes of the meeting of "June 20, 1961, on motion of
Mr. Moisa, seconded by Mr. Wickham, were approved as submitted.
Vote of the Board: Ayes:- Mr.� Wickham, . Mr. Moisa, and
Mr. Young.
Mr. George McMann appeared before the Planning Board to discuss
the road situation at Orient-By-The-Sea, . Section II. Mr.. Lawrence
Tuthill also appeared and submitted his report on the total - cost
of construction of highways and the amount of performance bond
which should be required.
In his" report to the Planning Board Mr. Tuthill states that
for the construction of roads, leaching pools, catch basins, leach-
ing areas, drainage pipe is $32, 000. 00 with an increase of 30/,
20/ for increase in construction costs for a _period of 3 years,
and 10/ for administration cost if there should be a default, which
would bring the total cost to $41,600. 00. Mr. Uhl has informed Mr.
Tuthill that the roads Sound View Drive and North Sea Drive are to
be completed and -if accepted by the Town of Southold prior to
issuance of this performance bond, the estimate for the total remain-
ing work -would be $23,4400.00. - The Board advised Mr. McMann that
the final figure would be increased by 10/.
Mr. McMann stated that he would convey this information to
Mr. Uhl and try to have him finish Sound View Drive and North Sea
Drive so that there would only be one problem to deal with.
There was a question brought up about the drainage of a small
area into the' Sound at approximately lot no. 48. The- Planning Board
and the Town Board does not approve of that method. They feel the
water should drain back into the soil. There was a discussion about
another lot being set aside for a leaching area, but nothing firm was
agreed x upon.
The matter of the dedication of Calves Neck. Road at: Southold,
oNned by,L. Barron Hill &Adelaide H. Hill was discussed. The
Planning Board had returned the file to the Town Board because the
application was incomplete and faulty. The Board has now received
three prints of the proposed layout showing courses, distances and
monuments, and a map giving road profiles and drainage.
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On motion of Mr. Young, seconded by Mr. Moisa, it was.
RESOLVED that the Planning Board recommend to the Town Board
the dedication of Calves Neck Road to the Town of Southold, in
view of the fact this road has 'an excellent base, and the area has
a very high assessment value, however, there are several problems:
1. The pavement is not the acceptable width.
2. There is no access to the water.
3. There is a question regarding the drainage.
Finally, the Planning Board would like to recommend to the Town
Board the withdrawal of `approval of the' Open- Development ,Area on
roads not now constructed in this development.
Calves Neck Road is bounded.and descr ibed as follows:
Beginning at a point-marked by the intersection of the southerly
end of Youngs-'Avenue at the northerly line of land of-L. Barron
Hill and wife; and running thence in a southeasterly direction along
the westerly line of the premises herein described, South 55 degrees
00 seconds East a distance `of 302.67 feet; running thence South 16
degrees 11 minutes 20 seconds 'East a distance of 224.72 feet; running
thence South 74 degrees 21 minutes 20 secazds East .a distance of
500. 0 feet; running thence South 69 degrees 01 minutes 20 deconds
.East a distance of 161.40 feet; running thence South 53 degrees 27
minutes 10 seconds East a distance of 178. 23 feet; running thence
South 47 degrees 08 minutes 10 seconds East .a distance of 350.0
. feet; running thence South 45 degrees 04 minutes 30 seconds East
309.71 feet; running thence on a curve to the right having. a radius
of 79.45 feet a distance of 96. 50 feet; running thence South 24
degrees 45 minutes West a distance of 81. 04 feet; running thence
South 53 degrees 00 seconds West a distance of 105. 0 feet; running
thence South 83 degrees 00 minutes 'West a distance of 235'. 0 feet;
running thence North 88 degrees 00 seconds West a distance of 135. 0
feet; running thence North 7.9 degrees 00 seconds West a distance of
135. 0 feet; running thence North 65 degrees 00 seconds 'West a distance
of 80.70 feet; running thence North 34 degrees 43 minutes East a
distance of 325. 50 feet; running thence North 26 degrees 22 minutes
'East a distance of 247. 98 feet to the southwesterly line of the 50
foot road (the premises hereindescribed) opposite that course of
the northeasterly line which runs South 47 degrees 08 minutes 10
seconds East; running thence South 47 degrees 08 minutes 10 seconds
east a distance of 52.15 feet, to k point which is 50 feet from the
last described course when measured .at right angles thereto; running
thence South 26 degrees 22 minutes 00 seconds -West a distance of
198. 68 feet or more to land of Hendrickson; running thence along said
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land of Hendrickson, South 26 degrees 22 minutes 00 seconds West
a distance -of 38. 15 feet; running thence still along said land of
Hendrickson, South 34 degrees 43 minutes West a distance of 224. 06
feet; running thence on a curve to the left having a radius of 32. 65
feet, a distance along said curve of 64.80 feet; running thence South
79 degrees 00 minutes East a distance of 91. 36 feet; running thence
South 88 degrees 00 minutes East a distance of 127. 13 feet; running
thence North 83 degrees 00 minutes East a distance of 189. 96 feet;
running thence North 83 degrees 00 minutes East a distance of 27. 70
feet; running thence North 53 degrees 00 minutes East a distance of
79. 02 feet; running thence North 24 degrees 45 minutes East a distance
of 68.40 feet; running thence on a curve to the left having a radius of
29.45 feet a distance of 35.89 feet; running thence North 45 degrees
04 minutes 30 seconds Tafest a distance of 158. 99 feet; running thence
North 45 degrees 04 minutes 30 seconds West a distance of 149. 29
feet; running thence North 47 degrees 08 minutes 10 seconds West .90. 24
feet; running thence North 47 degrees 08 minutes 10 seconds West a
distance of 256. 11 feet; running thence North 53 degrees 27 minutes
10 seconds West a distance of 168. 64 feet; running thence North 69
degrees 01 minutes 20 seconds .-West a distance of 152. 22 feet; running
thence North 74 degrees 21 minutes 20 seconds 'West a distance of 525.49
feet; running thence North 16 degrees 11 minutes 20 seconds 'West a
distance of 234. 98 feet; running thence North 55 degrees 00 seconds
West a distance of 299. 61 feet; running thence North 21 degrees 15
minutes 40 seconds West 14. 56 feet to the southerly end of Youngs
Avenue; running thence in a northeasterly direction along the southerly
end of Youngs Avenue a distance of 50 feet to the point of beginning.
Map of proposed highway to be known as Calves Neck Road at Southold,
by Otto W. Van Tuyl & Son, surveyed July 5, 1961.
Vote of the Board: Ayes:- Mr. Wickham, Mr. Moisa, and Mr.
Young.
The next meeting of the Southold Town: Planning Board will be
held 7: 30 P.M. , Tuesday, August 1, 1961 at the Town Clerk Office,
Main Road, Southold, New York.
Meeting adjourned at 10: 30 P.M.
Respectfully submitted,
Judith T. Boken, Secretary
John Wickham, Chairman