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T Southold. Town Planning Board
S0UTH0LD, L. L, N. Y.
PLANNING BOARD
MEMBERS
John Wickham, Chairman
Henry Moisa
Alfred Grebe
Archibald Young
William Unkelbach
M I N U T 'E S
SOUTHOLD TOWN PLANNING BOARD
-August 1, 1961
A regular meeting of the Southold Town Planning Board was
held 7:30 P.M. ,. Tuesday, August 1j 1961 .at. the Town Clerk Office,
Main Road, - Southold, New York.
There were present: Messrs. John Wickham, _Chairman, Henry.
Moisa,. Alfred Grebe, . Archibal.d. Young, and William Unkelbach.
Also present: Messrs. Otto W. Van Tuyl, Consultant and
Howard M. Terry, Building Inspector.
PUBLIC HEARING: On the question of approval of the follow-
ing plat: 1. ' Plat of property owned.by Southold Development
-Corporation, entitled Fairview Park at Southold, consisting of
a parcel of land of.'approximately 23. 00 acres, situated at
Southold, in the Town of Southold, `uffolk, County, New York, and
generally bounded and described as -follows: . Beginning at a point
on the southerly line of :Pine Neck Road at the northeasterly
corner of land formerly of Breitstadt and the northwesterly corner
of land formerly of Leicht .and running thence along the southerly
line of Pine Neck Road, S.7103003011E. 50. 09 feet; thence along
other land of Southold Development Corporation, four courses,, as
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follows: (1) S.14059130"W. . 150. 28 feet; thence (2) '. S.7131'30"E.
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296.30 feet; thence (3) S.80047'10"E. 378. 06 feet; thence (4)
N. 9040'40"E. 150. 28 feet to the southerly line of said ]Pine
Neck Road; thence along said line of 'Pine Neck Road, S.83'47110"E.
50. 09 feet to land of William E. Park; thence along said land of
William E. Park, two courses, as follows: (1) S. 9040140"w. 120. 0
feet; thence (2) ' S.80019120"E. 160. 0 feet to land of Breitstadt
Estate; thence along last described land, S. 9=40'40"W. 1093:32
feet; thence along other land of- Southold Development Corp. , four
courses, as follows: (1) N.72'39120"W. 579.32 feet; thence (2)
S. 11'37 '10"W. 95. 0 feet; thence (3) S.78022150"E. 50. 0 feet; thence
(4) S. 11037 '10"W. 100. 0 feet to land of Alfred E. Dart; thence along
said land of Dart, three courses, as follows: (1) N.79001'40"W.
37.44 feet; thence (2) N.77'11130"W. 394. 60 feet; thence (3)
N.7703412011W. 46.39 feet to other land of Southold Development
Corp. ; thence along last described land, four courses, as follows:
(1) N. 13416130"E. 159. 65 feet; thence (2) N. 12040'30"E. 40. 36
feet; thence (3) N.77'34120"W. 318.41 feet; thence (4) N.73051'00"W.
313.87 feet to the easterly line of Main Bayview Road; thence along
ssid Main Bayview Road, N.1805615011E. 50. 04 feet; thence along other
land of said Southold Development Corp. , - four courses, as follows:
(1) S.73'51=00"E. 309.80 feet; thence (2) S.77034'20"E. 317. 0 feet;
thence (3) N. 12°;4013011E. 259.80 feet; thence (4) N. 14'59130"E.
698.80 feet to the point of beginning.
The Chairman opened the hearing.by reading legal notice of
hearing with affidavit attesting to its publication in the official
newspaper.
THE CHAIRMAN: Is there anyone present who wishes to speak
in favor of this proposed subdivision?
MR. WILLIAM SMITH, Southold, New York: I do.
THE CHAIRMAN: As near as we can determine everything is in
order. You plan to have a performance bond on some of the highways
that you do not plan to dedicate to the Town yet?
MR. SMITH: That is right.
THE CHAIRMAN: Is there anyone present who wishes to speak
in opposition to this proposed subdivision ?
(There was no response. )
The Chairman declared. the hearing closed.
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On- motion of Mr. Moisa, seconded by Mr. Grebe:
V.9E'_ r` S Southold Development -.Corporation has petitioned the
' Southold. Town.. Planning Board for final approval of their plat
known as "Fairview Park at- Southold, Section I, " Pine Neck" Road,
Southold, New .York, and
WHEREAS the Southold Town .Superintendent of Highways has
inspected the plat and found the highways in satisfactory con
dition for reasonable access and in compliance. with the Highway
specifications .of the Town of;Southold, and his report is hereby
approved by the: Planning Board; and
WHEREAS the Southold Town. Planning Board,. pursuant to due.
notice thereof, - held a public hearing on , the matter of,approval
of the plat- at-which time all interested persons were given. an
opportunity to be heard, and
WHEREAS the Southold. Town Planning Board waives the provision
in the 'Rules and Regulations for the Subdivision of.Land requiring
park ,and playground area or cash equivalent
NOW THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED that the subdivision to be known
as "Fairview Park at Southold,. Section I, " at Pine Neck- Road,
- Southold,. New York, consisting 23. 00 acres and owned by` Southold
Development Corp oration, be approved on the basis that if dedication
of the highways to the Town of Southold Is not completed within
90 days from this date performance bond for their completion will
be required.
This plat is bounded and described as follows: Beginning at
a point on the southerly line of .Pine Neck Road at the northeasterly
. corner of land formerly of Breitstadt- and the northwesterly corner
of land .formerly of- Leicht and running thence along the southerly
.line of= Pine Neck Road, S.71031'30"E. 50. 09 feet; thence along other
land of Southold Development Corporation, four courses, as follows:
(1) 5.14'591301'W. 150. 28 ' feet;. thence (2) S.71031'3011E. 2.96.30 feet;
thence . ,(3.) S.83047 ' 10"E. 378. 06.. feet; thence (4) N. 9040140"E. 150. 28
feet to the southerly. line of said Pine Neck Road; thence along said
line of-Line Neck' Road,. S.83047 ' 10"E. 50. 09 feet- to land of:William
E. Park; thence along said land of-William- E. Park, two courses, as
follows: (1) S..901401401-W. 120. 0 feet;' thence (2) S.80')19120"E. 160. 0
feet to land of Breitstadt -Estate; thence along last describedland,
. 5. 9040'4011W. 1093. 3.2 feet; thence along other land 'of- Southold
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Corp. , four courses as follows: (1) N. 72039'20;'W. 579. 32 feet;
thence (2) S. 11037 ' 10"W. 95. 0 feet; thence (3) S. 7802215011E. 50. 0
feet; thence (4) S. 11'37 '10"W. 100. 0 feet to land of:Alfred E.
Dart; thence along said land of Dart, three courses, as follows:
(1) N.79001140"W. 37.44 feet; thence (2) N.7701113011W. 394. 60 feet;
thence (3) N.77034120"W. 46. 39 feet to other land of Southold. Develop-
ment- Corp. , thence along last described land four courses, as follows:
(1) N.13'16130"E. 159. 65 feet; thence (2) N. 12040'30"E. 40. 36 feet;
thence (3) N. 7703412011W. 318.41 feet; thence (4) N.73051' 00"W. 313.87
feet to the easterly line of Main Bayview Road; thence along said Main
Myview Road, N.18056'50"E. 50. 04 feet; thence along other land of said '
Southold Development Corp. , four courses, as follows: (1) S. 73051' 00"E.
309.80 feet; thence (2) S.7703412011E. 317. 0 feet; thence (3) N.12040130"E.
259.80 feet; thence (4) N. 14059130"E. 698.80 feet to the point of
beginning.
Vote of the Board: Ayes:- Mr. Wickham, Mr'. Moisa, Mr. Grebe,
Mr. Young, and Mr. Unkelbach.
Mr. George McMann again appeared before the Planning Board to
discuss Orient-By-The-Sea, Section II. Mr. McMann stated he is now
ready._ to-`start construction on Sound View Drive and North Sea Drive,
however he would like to reach some agreement relative to the drainage
in the vicinity of lot no. 48.
After considerable discussion the following proposal was arrived
at: Two standard catch basins on the south side of the road and on
the north side of the road a strip 10 ft. wide and 200 ft. long
excavated to sand or gravel and back filled with gravel or bank-run
to make a flush drainage area. It was the thinking of the Board that
if there is a 30 ft. strip reserved for pavement there would be 10 ft.
on each side to accomodate gutters, shoulders, etc. If the outside
5 ft. of this were to be used for this .flush drainage area and in
addition 5 ft. of the lot frontage made available so that the right-
of-way at that point would be 55 ft. instead of the normal 50 ft. ,
it would seem reasonable to the Planning .Board.
The Planning Board forwarded a letter to Harold Price, Superin-
tendent of Highways with this proposal and stated that in suggesting
this the Planning Board has 'two points in mind. The first is that, the
2, 000 sq. ft. of drainage area would furnish 40 times as much vertical
drainage as a single basin. Secondly the Planning Board feels an
experiment of this nature might provide some information which would
be of value both to us and to the Town in years to come and it is for
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this reason that they suggest catch. basins on one side and the
flush' dra.nage area on the opposite side of the .highway so that they
can be compared. Mr. Price was requested to give the Planning Board
his reaction to this proposal.
The Planning Board again discussed the petition of Woodhollow
Properties, Inc. for a change of zone from "A" R esidential and
Agricultural. District to "B". Business District on certain real
property in Orient bounded and described as. follows: Beginning at
a point on the southerly side of the Main Road which point.marks the
northwesterly corner of premises herein described and the north-
easterly corner of land of the State of New York; . thence running .
along the southerly side of Main Road, North 87 degrees 09 minutes
20 seconds' East 151. 72 feet to land of the United States Government;
thence running by last -mentioned land, South 11 degrees 43 minutes
20 seconds East 752 feet, to the ordinary highwater mark::.of Gardiner's
Bay; thence running southwesterly along the ordinary high water mark
of Gardiner.' s Bay the tie line of which bears South 39 degrees 44
minutes 40 seconds West 348.41 feet to land of the State of New York;
thence running by last mentioned land, North 4 degrees 40 minutes
45 seconds West 1000 feet to the southerly side of the Main Road, at
the point or' place of beginning. Map of property surveyed for
-Woodhollow Properties, Inc. at Orient by Otto W. Van Tyl & Son dated
April 25., 1961.
This change is requested because it is the intention of the
petitioner to erect a motel, marina and restaurant.
The Planning Board has received letters from the U. S. Depart-
ment- of= Agriculture, Plum Island Animal Disease Laboratory, J. J.
Callis, . Acting .Director.; ; Suffolk County Planning Department, Charles
G. Lind, . Sr.. Asst.. Civil Engineer; New York .State Department of Public
' Works, . A. M. Sarr,. District- Engineer; and Long Island State, Park
Commission, which reply was only an acknowledgment.
on motion of Mr. Moisa, seconded by Mr—Young, it was
RESOLVED that the Planning Board recommend this change of zone
from "A" Residential and Agricultural District to "B" Business 'Dis,-
trict to the Southold Town-. Board.
The-:',Planning Board has`- studied,.this .location for two years and
given considerable thought to a possible use for it. It would seem
to us that a motel and restaurant is the best .use that could be made
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of this strip of land with the advantages and location of this
strip, and more than that it would seem that being adjoining to
both the recreational facilities. of the• State Park. and the ferry
terminal that a motel and restaurant-would be- a real asset to the
Town of. Southold.
Vote of' the Board: Ayes:- Mr. Wickham, Mr. Moisa, Mr. Grebe,
. Mr. Young, and Mr. Unkelbach.
Mr. Young reported and he and Mr. Van Tuyl had been to see Mr.
Costas Stars and Mr.. Frumenti at-East Marion. Mr. Stars stated he
wished to purchase additional land from Mr. Frumenti to make the
road 50 ft. wide, but Mr. Frumenti would not sell. Mr. Young and
Mr. Van Tuyl explained the situation to Mr. Frumenti who did not
understand the entire problem. No agreement could be reached however.
It was felt that they had done everything they could and it would
now be up to Mr. Stars and Mr. Frumenti to resolve the problem.
. On motion of. Mr. Young, seconded by Mr. Moisa, it was
RESOLVED that the minutes of the meeting of July 18, 1961 be
approved as read.
Vote of the Board: Ayes:- Mr. Wickham, Mr. Moisa, Mr. 'Grebe,
Mr. Young, and Mr. Unkelbach.
The Board discussed the joint meeting to be held August 16th.
They thought highway specifications and requiring access to the water
on shore front property should be placed on the agenda for this joint
meeting.
Mr. Van Tuyl presented for an informal discussion the preliminary,
map of Cleaves Point, Section 2, at .East -Marion. All of the lots will
be 12,500 sq. ft. because there is public water.
The Chairman asked that, the minutes pertaining to Section 1 be
obtained for the next meeting as he believes Osprey Nest Road was to
be extended to the water if any future development of the property
were made.
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The next meeting of the Southold Town Planning Board will be
held 7:30 P.M. , 'Wednesday,. September 13, 1961 at the Town Clerk
office, Main Road, Southold, New York.
Meeting adjourned at 10: 00 P.M.
Respectfully submitted,
Judith T. Boken
Secretary