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Southold Town Planning Board
S 0 UTH 0 LD, L. L, N. Y.
PLANNING BOARD
MEMBERS
John Wickham, Chairman
Henry Moisa
Alfred Grebe
Archibald Young
William Unkelbach
M I N U T 'E' S
SOUTHOLD TOWN PLANNING BOARD
November 1, 1961
A regular meeting of the Southold Town Planning. Board
was held 7: 3.0 P.M. , Wednesday, November 1, 1961 at the Town
Clerk Office, Main Road, Southold, New York.
There were present: Messrs. John Wickham, . Chairman,
Henry Moisa,. Alfred Grebe, . Archibald Young and William
Unkelbach.
- Also present: Messrs. Otto W. Van Tuyl, Consultant,
Robert "W. Tasker, Esq. , Town Attorney, and Howard-M. Terry,
Building Inspector.
Mr. LeRoy Reeve, an Executor of the George H. Fleet"Estate,
appeared before the Planning Board to tentatively discuss , the
layout of lots on property of George H..` F1eet' Estate, between
Midwood'Road and Southern Cross Road, . Cutchogue, New York. Mr.
Reeve wished to know the Board's opinion, as to the necessity of
filing a subdivision map. Where are 10 inside lots and the
proposed road is to be 50 ft. in width.
On motion of Mr. Young, seconded by Mr. Grebe, it was
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RESOLVED that the layout of preliminary plan of George H.
Fleet Estate, Cutchogue, by Otto W. Van Tuyl & Son, dated Sept-
ember 27, 1961 is satisfactory to the Planning Board as far as
layout of lots and roads is concerned, as long as a subdivision
map is filed since them will be more than five lots in this
proposed layout.
Vote of the Board: , Ayes:- Mr. Wickham, Mr. Moisa, Mr.
Grebe, Mr. Young, and. Mr. Unkelbach.
Irving L. . Price, Jr. , Esq. representing Charles Cornibert
and Cleaves Point .Section II again appeared before the Planning
Board to discuss this proposed subdivision and to determine ,why
the Planning Board will not give approval to the subdivision map.
The -Planning Board stated that they feel they have good reason for
requiring the developer to comply with the highway specifications
of the Town of :Southold. Town Attorney Tasker also appeared to
answer any legal questions posed by Mr. Price. The specific
objection to Cleaves Point- Section II is the fact there is no
access to water. In practically all cases the Town has required
a 100 ft. by 100 ft. turnaround at water. The Chairman stated
that in the approval of Section I it was stated that the Planning
Board would require access to water when Section II was "presented
for approval. Town, Attorney Tasker advised that in the .approval
of maps the Planning Board must pass on the layout of roads there-
fore they must follow what is setforth. The specific reasons for
requiring termination at water were discussed; such as rescue
equipment and fire protection. Mr. Price stated that the roads
are to be private and whoever enters would be trespassers therefore
the road to water would not be neeessary for the residents of
Section II as there is a private beach already provided. The
Planning Board stated that that could not be considered since it
is quite possible the roads would become public in the future.
Mr. Taskeras opinion was that the Planning Board should present
this situation to the Town Board and see what their feeling would
be.
The Secretary, was instructed to make arrangements for Mr.
Wickham, accompanied by Mr. Young, to be present at the next
Town Board meeting to discuss the general topic of dedication
of highways and roads terminating at water.
Robert Preston appeared before the Planning Board relative
to the dedication of Gull Pond Lane in Fordham Acres at Route 25,
Greenport. The Planning Board advised that they are satisfied
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with the layout of Fordh.am-Acres provided there is some provision
made for a road termination at water. Mr., Preston ,stated that he
would be willing to do that but he would not want to cut a road
to water if it is not necessary.
On motion of Mr. Grebe, seconded by Mr. Young, it .was
RESOLVED that the' Planning Board recommend to the Town Board
approval of the layout of Gull Pond Lane as a Town Highway by Ruth
F. Prestont Ida Belle Latham and Robert L. Muir on the southerly.
. side- North Road, 500 feet easterly from the northeasterly corner of
land of Sterling Cemeteryt . Greenport, bounded and described as
follows: Beginning at a monument set on the southerly 'line of North
Road 500. 00 feet easterly along said line from the northeasterly ,
corner of land of Sterling Cemetery; running thence along the
southerly .line of said North Road, North 66 degrees 01 minutes
20 seconds 'East 50. 00 feet to a" monument; thence through land of
Ruth F. Preston, Ida Belle- Latham and Robert L. Muir, six coursest .
as follows: (1) South 23 degrees 58 minutes 40 seconds East 460. 00
febt to a monument; thence. (2) South 61 degrees 29 minutes 10 seconds
East 226. 58 feet to a monument; thence (3) South 68 degrees 19
minutes 00 seconds East 320.23 feet -to a monument; thence (4) South
43 degrees 00 minutes 00 seconds East 307. 90 feet to a monument;_
thence (5) South 13 degrees 00 minutes 00 seconds East 1,56.85 feet
to a monument; thence (6) South 22 degrees 00 minutes 00 seconds
East 201. 96 feet to a monument at the northwesterly corner of land
now or formerly of Ubbens; thence along said land of Ubbens, . South
30 degrees 00 minutes 00 seconds East 100. 00 feet to a monument;
thence along other land of said Ruth F. Prestont Ida .Belle Latham
and Robert L. Muir 11 courses as follows: (1)' South 30 degrees
00 minutes 00 seconds East 125 feet; thence (2) North 60 degrees
00 minutes East 50 feet; thence- (3) South 30 degrees 00 minutes
East 100 feet; thence (4) South 60 degrees 00 minutes West 100
feet; thence (5) North 30 degrees 00 minutes 00 seconds West
328. 50 feet; thence (6) North 22 degrees 00 minutes 00 seconds,
West 209.39 feet.; thence (7) North 13 degrees 00 minutes 00
seconds West 147.39 feet; thence (8) North 43 degrees 00 minutes
00 seconds 'West 283. 26 feet; thence (9) North 68 degrees 19
minutes. 00 seconds West 311. 99 feet; thence (10) North 61
degrees 29 minutes. 10 seconds West 246.54. feet; thence (11) ,North
23 degrees 58 minutes 40 seconds 'West R 476. 97 feet to a monument
set on the southerly side of North Road and the point or place of
beginning.
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The above described proposed highway being comprised of a
strip of land of a uniform width of 50 feet from North Road
southerly to the point 125 feet southerly from land, now or
formerly of`Urbbens, thence widening .to about 100 feet- in width.
Map of Gull Pond Lane by Otto W. Van Tuyl '& Son dated
August- 1, 1961.
The Planning Board has requested Mr. Robert Muir, Ruth
Preston and Ida Belle Latham to reserve an area 100 ft. by 100
ft. on the southeast corner of' the property adjoining the 100 ft.
turn-around proposed for the end of Gull Pond Lane for possible
dedication if required by the Town Board.
Vote of the Board: Ages:- Mr. Wickham, Mr. Moisa, Mr. Grebe,
Mr. Young, and Mr. Unkelbach.
On motion of 'Mr. Moisa, seconded by -Mr. Unkelbach: it was
RESOLVED . that the Planning Board grant Ruth F. Preston,
Ida Belle Latham and Robert .L. Muir tentative approval of their
proposed subdivision to be known as "Fordham Acres, Section One"..,
Greenport, Map by Otto W. Van Tuyl & -Son dated January 10, 1961,
revised September 6, 1961 and furtherrevised November 1, 1961.
Vote of the Board: Ayes:- Mr.- Wickham, Mr. Moisa, . Mr.
Grebe, Mr. Young, and Mr. Unkelbach.
On motion of Mr. Young, seconded by Mr. Grebe, it was
RESOLVED that the Planning Board set 7: 3.0 P.M. , Tuesday,
December 5, 1961, TownCl.erk Office, Main Roadr, Southold, New
York as time and place for hearing upon the:-4ueation of approval
of the following plat:
Plat of property owned by Ruth F. Preston, Ida Belle Latham
and Robert-L. Muir, entitled Fordham Acres, Section One at Greenport,
consisting of a parcel of land of approximately 13.61 acres, situated
at Greenport, in the Town of Southold, Suffolk- County, New York, and
bounded and described as follows:
Beginning at a monument on the southerly line of the North Road
at the northeasterly corner of land of Thomas.-F. Hamilton; running
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thence along the southerly line of- said North Road N.660122011E.
650 feet; thence along land of Ruth Preston and others eight courses,
as follows: (1) S. 23!58=40"E.' 490 feet; thence (2) S. 66'01'20"W.
166. 97. feet; thence (3) S. 61029110"E. 188.76 feet to a monument;
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thence (4)' S.68019100"E. 320.23 feet to a monument; thence (5) S.430
009006E. 51.51 feet; thence (6) N.6005413011E. 255. 04 feet; thence
(7) N.82036150"E. 46.10 feet; thence (8) S. 2500914011E. 149.35 feet
to a proposed canal; thence along the westerly side - of said Canal
two courses, as follows: (1) S.99°09900"W. 37. 68 feet; thence (2)
S.40000300"E. 406.16 fedt. to land of William E. .Ubbens; thence along,
said land of William- E. Ubbens three courses, as follows: (1) S. 60°
00100"W. ..347. 97 feet to a monument; thence (2) S.300000011E. 100 feet
to a monument; thence (3) N.60000200"E. 330 feet to ordinary .high water
mark of .Gull Pond; thence along said ordinary high water mark S. 04°
00=00"E. 228. 08 feet to land of Maybelle Raynor; thence along said
land of Maybelle Raynor eight. courses as follows: •(1) S.60000t00"
W. 180 feet; thence (2) S.30000=00"E. 20 feet; thence (3) S.60°OOI
00"W. 100 feet; thence (44) N.30°00200"W. 328.50 feet; thence (5)
N. 22000a00"W. 209. 39. feet; thence (6) N.13000=0011W. 147.39 feet;
thence (7) N.43°00 s 00"W. 283. 26 feet; thence (f) N. 68° 1910011W. 151. 99
feet; thence along land of Ruth Preston and others four courses, as
follows: (1) N. 68019-100"W. 160 feet; thence (2) N.6102:9`10"W: 246.54 .
feet; thence (3) N.'23°58140"W. 126. 97 feet; thence (4) S. 66001-920"W.
400 feet; thence along land of said Thomas F. Hamilton N. 23°58=40"
W. 350 feet to the point of beginning.
Vote of •the' Board- Ayes:- Mr.: Wickham, Mr. Moisa, Mr. . Grebe,
Mr. Young and Mr. Unkelbach.
The Planning Board received a copy of a letter forwarded
to Supervisor' Albertson from William Wickham stating that -in
June 1959 he presented to the Town Board a petition to rezone
from "A" to "C" certain acreage he owns both north and south of
middle Road, Cutchogue. This was referred .to the' Planning Board
'from which .he received a reply dated July 9, 1959 stating that the
application was being held pending the outcome of negotiations on
the part of the Town, County and State on the location. and relocation
of Middle Road. Also he is in no hurry for a determination but he
thinks the Town Board should seriously consider -changing to "C" a
vastly greater area in that section. With the economy of- Southold
Town at a low ebb due to .several bad farming years and culminating
in this disastrous season he believes the Town should initiate
action to encourage industrial expansion. This is one section
which could well be utilized. With 'this and other sections so set-
up we would then 'be in a position to promote, a campaign to attract
industrial firms and in this way give our economy-a much needed
boost.
The Planning Board discussed this -letter and in line with the
discussion felt 'a letter should be forwarded to the Huntington
Town Planning Board requesting a copy of their Town Zoning ordin-
ance and any information they may have available relative to the
. establishment of industrial parks. .
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The Planning Board received notification from the Town Board
stating that the petition of Woodhollow Properties, Inc. for a
change of zone::from "A" Residential and Agricultural District to
"B" Business District was granted effective as of October 16, 1961.
Notification was also received from the Town Board stating
that the petition of'Edward L. Donahue, Raymond W. Donahue,
Reginald S. Donahue, Clement B: . Donahue and Edward D. Meyer for
a change of zone from "A" Residential and Agricultural Distric t
to "B" Business' District was granted effective as of October. 20,
1961.
- The Planning Board received from the Town Board the original
petition of Kenneth G. Brown, President of K. G. Brown Mfg. , Co. ,
Inc. requesting a change of zone. from "A" Residential and Agricu-
ltural District to "B" Business District on certain real property
situated at Wickham Avenue, Mattituck, and more particularly bounded
and described as follows: Beginning at a point on the easterly side
of Wickham Avenue, 190. 01 feet southerly from the southerly side of
Hamilton Avenue, which point of beginning is and intended to be
the point of intersection of the division line between the land
now or formerly of Bond and the land of the Long Island Railroad,
with the easterly side of Wickham Avenue; running thence North 47
degrees 421 50" east along the southerly line of the. land now or
formerly of Bond, a distance of 280. 9'0 feet to the land now or
formerly of Wells; thence South 13 degrees 22: 00" East along the
land now or formerly of Wells a distance of 69. 59 feet to the other
land of the Long Island Railroad Company; thence South 46 degrees
189 loll west along land of Long Island Railroad, a distance of
268. 15 feet to the easterly side of Wickham' Avenue; thence along
the easterly side of Wickham Avenue, the following two courses
and distances to the point or place of beginning: (1) North 20
degrees 21' 20" West, 10.54 feet; (2) North 26 degrees 002 West,
60. 14 feet.
This change of zone is requested for the reason that they '
wish to use the property described for parking in connection
with the manufacturing plant on the other side of the street.
On motion of Mr. Moisa, seconded by Mr. Grebe, ' it was
RESOLVED that the Planning Board recommend to the Town Board
this change of zone from "A" Residential and Agricultural District
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to "B" Business District on property of Kenneth G. Brown, President
of--K. G. Brown Mfg. Co. , Inc. Map of property surveyed for Kenneth
Brown at Mattituck by Otto W. Van Tuyl & Son dated July 14, 1961.
The Planning Board feels this change of zone is in the best
interests of the Town of- Southold to provide "additional business
facilities for existing business. In view of the fact this was
a non-conforming "B" Business property of the Long Island Railroad
Company this actually will not change the nature of thel.neighborhood.
Vote of the Board: Ayes:- Mr. Wickham, Mr. Moisa, Mr.
Grebe, Mr. . Young, and Mr. Unkelbach.
The Planning Board received a letter from Town Attorney
Tasker relative to the form of " a resolution on the approval of
subdivision plats.. Mr. Tasker stated that the resolution should
state that the plats be approved on the basis that if the highways
be completed within 90 days rather than dedicated within 90 days.
The Board wished a letter forwarded to Mr. Tasker stating
that .it is the Planning Board's opinion that there are some
developers who state that they are planning to dedicate their
highways to the Town of Southold but in reality make no realistic
attempt to do so. The Planning Board is interested not in having
highways completed and having to check on them them-i-selves, but
in having them turned over to the Town of Southold as soon as
possible. It seems to the Planning Board that dedication was the
only criterion and _although the Planning Board has no right to
require dedication presumably, nevertheless, they do not pass
out of the Planning Board's jurisdiction until dedication. It
was suggested to Mr. Tasker that possibly the resolution might
be reworded to state that per formance bond will be required
unless dedication.- is completed within 90 days'.
The Planning. Board received from the Town Board the original
petition of Thomas H. DeWulf, Naugles 'Drive, Matti.tuckf .-New York,
for a change of ' zone from "C.". Industrial District to "B" Business
District on certain. real property situated at Naugles' D. ' ver
. Mattituck,' and more particularly bounded and described as follows:
Beginning at a point on the northerly line of Naugles Drive at the
- southwesterly corner of land of Mrs._ Stanley Naugles and the
southeasterly -corner of land of 'Thomas H. DeWulf, and being the
southwesterly corner of the existing "B" Business District; running
thence along the northerly line of said Naugles Drive S.71'19850"W.
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150. 0 feet; thence along land of Fenmore, two courses, as follows:
(1) N. 18040=10"W. 190. 78 feet; thence (2) N.32'539W. 6. 0 feet;
thence along land of Tree-Plateau Co. , Inc. N.53048=10"E. 157. 09
feet; thence along land of said Naugles, being the westerly boundary
of the existing "B" Business District, two courses, as follows:
(1) 5. 3405811011E. 6. 0 feet; thence (2) S. 18040110"E. 238. 15 feet
to the point of beginning.
Applicant states that he is the owner of ' "C" Industrial
property which runs from. Naugles Drive to Mattituck Inlets having
sold the level and usable "C" Industrial land to Tree Plateau Co. ,
Inc. and keeping the described property on the hill for use as
residential purposes. Residences are not allowed in "C" Industrial
District and he wishes to change the property and annex it to the
adjoining "B" Business District. There is a residence on the
premises which he wishes to move to the rear of the property and
build a new year-around home on the front of the lot facing Naugles
Drive.
On motion of Mr. Grebe, seconded by Mr. Young, it was
RESOLVED that the. Planning Board recommend to the Town Board
this change of zone from "C" Industrial District to •B" Business
District on the property of Thomas H.DeWulf. Map of land of
Thomas H., DeWulf at Mattituck by-Otto W. van Tuyl &, Son, dated
October 18, 1961.
It is the feeling of the Southold Mwn Planning Board that
this change of zone would in no way change the character of the
area. It is adjoining "B" Business property and would tie in
with it. Mr. DeWulf is being denied the proper use of his property
which is suitable for residential purposes by having it in the
"c" industrial District.
vote of the Board: Ayes:- Mr. Wickham, Mr. Moisa, Mr.
Grebe, Mr. Young, and Mr. Unkelbach.
The Planning Board next discussed the petition of Browns
Hill's Estates, Inc. and Douglas Robertson for Open Development
Areas on property in Orient. This petition was recommended
favorably by the Planning Board in October 1959 but the Town Board
wished a more recent recommendation as nothing had been done about
the application in 1959, since the Town Board was not satisfied
with the Robinson (westerly) access to the property.
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The Planning Board has since then studied an application for
development of the Ruth L. Young property as a separate entity
and there will be no connection of the two properties, or road
to the two properties., from the Main Road (State Route 25) . The
Planning Board feels that inasmuch as this property has been slowly
developed since the original recommendation of 1959 by the installa-
tion of water mains, widening of right-of-ways to 50 feet as requested
and installation of the major part of the roads as per the attached
plan;
On motion of Mr. Moisa, seconded by Mr. Young, it was
RESOLVED that the Planning Board recommend to the Town Board
that the,Open- Development- Areas be granted over the aforementioned
property. Map of Brown' s Hill's Estates, Inc.. Subdivision dated
September 15, 1959.
It is a stipulation of the Planning Board that the roads as
shown be -completed and particularly Southview Drive Extension and
Northview Drive Extension. These roads are not yet completed and
the Planning Board does not believe this Open Development Area
should be granted until that time.
Vote of the Board: Ayes:- Mr. Wickham, Mr. Moisa, Mr.
Grebe, Mr. Young, and Mr. Unkelbach.
On motion of Mr. Unkelbach, seconded by Mr. Grebe, it was
RESOLVED that the minutes of the meeting of October 3, 1961
be approved as read.
Vote of the Board: Ayes:-. Mr., Wickham, Mr: Moisa, Mr.
Grebe, Mr. Young, and Mr. Unkelbach.
Chairman Wickham brought up the subject of the fire at the
migrant camp in Cutchogue. It is the feeling of the Planning
Board that- the Town of Southold has experienced a very real tragedy
and it has focused a great deal of attention on the migrant problem.
Mr: Wickham" feels that the Planning Board should study- this specific
problem and communicate in a constructive manner with the Board of
Directors of the Cutchogue Camp. This matter will be brought up
again at the next meeting.
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The next- meeting of the Southold Town Planning Board will
be held 7:30 P.M. , Tuesday, December 5, 1961 at the Town Clerk
Office, Main Road, Southold, New York.
Meeting adjourned at 11: 15 P.M.
Respectfully submitted,
Judith T. Boken, Secretary
John Wickham, Chairman