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S0UTH0LD, L. I., N. Y.
PLANNING BOARD
MEMBERS
John Wickham, Chairman
Henry Moisa
Alfred Grebe
Archibald Young
William Unkelbach
MINUTE S
SOUTHOLD TOWN PLANNING BOARD
July 6, 1960
Aregular meeting of the Southold Town Planning Board
was held 7s30 P-M.,, Wednesday;, .July 6x. 1960 at the Town Clerk
Offices Main Road* Southoldj, New "York*
There were presents Messrs. John Wickham, Chairmans,
Henry Moisa, Alfred Grebe, Archibald Young„ and William Unkelbach.
Also presents Messrs.. Howard M. Terry,,_ Building Inspector,#
and Otto W. Van Tuy1*. Consultant.
PUBLIC HEARING; Upon the question of approval of the
following plats 1. Plat of property owned by Joseph Deerkoski
entitled "Deer Parkrr,#. .consisti,ng of a parcel of land of approx-
imately 11.18 acres.,* situated at Mattituck,R in the Town of
Southold4 Suffolk County,, New York, generally bounded and
described as follows: Northerly. by land now or formerly of
C. R. Bennett, 610 feet more or less;. Easterly by Westphalia
Road and land now or formerly of Taylor, Cox,,, Monahan and
.others, 690 feet,-. more or less; Southerly by land now or formerly
of Edith Young+. 820 feet more or less; and Westerly by land now
or formerly of Gillis# 700 feet„ more or less. r
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The Chairman opened the hearing by reading legal notice
of hea3:hg with affidavit attesting to its publication in the
official, newspaper,f report from the Superintendent of Highways
application for final approval of plat.
THE CHAIRMAN: Does anyone care to be heard in opposition
to this subdivision?
(There was no response-)
THE CHAIRMAN: Does anyone wish to speak for it? ,
MR. JOSEPH DEERKOSKII Mattituck,. New York: I wish to be
recorded as speaking for this subdivision.
MR. VAN TUYLx I wish to call the Boardx`s attention to the
section in the rules and regulations referring to Public Spaces.
if the subdivision is too small to establish a substantial site*,
the subdivider will be required to provide a cash equivalent
deposited to the account of the Playground and Park Fund.
(The Planning Board discussed this points )
THE CHAIRMAN: I would like to suggest that we, discuss this
after we complete the hearings on all three subdivisions. Mr.
Deerkoski, we will let you know tomorrow•what our decision is.
if there is nothing else to come up before this hearing of
Deer Park at Westphalia Road,, ,Mattituck, New York,, ,I shall declare
the hearing closed and the Board -will make their decision later
this evening..
on motion of Mr. Moisa, seconded by Mr. Young:
AREAS Joseph Deerkoski has petitioned the Southold Town
Planning Board for final approval of his plat known as "Deer,
Park" at .Westphalia Road, Mattituck,, New York,. and
WHEREAS -the Southold Town Superintendent of Highways has
inspected the plat and found the highways in satisfactory condition
for reasonable access and in compliance. with the Highway speci—
fications of the Town of Southold, and his report is approved by
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the Planning Board; and
WHEREAS the Southold Town Planning Board, pursuant to due
notice there oft held a public hearing on the matter of approval
of the plat at which time all interested. persons were given an
opportunity to be. heard, and
WBEREAS the Southold Town. Planning Board waives the
provision in the Rules and Regulations for the Subdivision of
Land requiring park and playground area or cash equivalents
NOW TBEREJ'ORE BE IT RESOLVED that the subdivision known as
"Deer Park" at Westphalia Road, Mattituck, New York, consisting
of 11.18 acres ::_ and owned by Joseph Deerkoski,, be approved on the
basis that if dedication of the highways to the Town of Southold
is not completed within 90 days from this date performance bond
for their completion will be required..
This plat is generally bounded and described as followss
Northerly by land now or formerly of C. R. Bennett, 610 feet
more or lessi Easterly by Westphalia Road and land. now or formerly
of Taylor,,. Cox0_ Monahan and others; 690 feet, more or less;
Southerly by lard now or formerly of Edith Young,, 820 feet more
or less; and Westerly by land now or formerly of Gillis, 700
feet.., more or less_
Vote of the Boards Ayes:- Mr. Wickham$ Mr. Moisat Mr.
Grebes Mr. Young, and Mr. Unkelbach.
PUBLIC HEARING: Upon the question of approval of the
following plats Plat of property owned by Harry E. Mason and
William M_ Beebe entitled "Moose Cove"t consisting of a. parcel
of land of approximately 38.12 acres, situated at East Cutchogue,_
in the Town of Southold.. Suffolk County„ New Yorkx, generally
bounded and described as followss Northerly by Eugene'-s Road,
land now or formerly of Wilson Tuthill, and other land now or
formerly of William M.. Beebe and others.._ 1500 feet more or
less; Easterly by Little Neck -Road and land now or formerly of
Wilson Tuthill, 2200 feet more or lessi Southerly by land now
or formerly of Wilson Tuthill/030 feet more or less; and Westerly
by Eugene's Creek,* 1500 feet,. more or less.
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The .Chairman opened the .hearing by reading notice of
hearing with affidavit attesting to its publication in the
official, 'newspaper, report from the Superintendent of Highways.,
and application for final approval of plat.
THE CHAIRMAN: Does anyone wish to be heard in opposition
to this subdivision, Moose Cove at East Cutchogue, Town .of
Southold?
(there was no response..)
THE CH&IRMANs Does anyone wish to be heard in favor of it?
WILLIAM WICKHAM,# ESQ. , Cutchogue, New Yorks Since the
first hearing I have been thinking of the matter Mr. Van Tuyl
brought up about playground and recreational areas. I would
like to ask you to waive any further requirements on that and
I say the same thing for. the next application of ,Wilson Tuthill,
My reasons are thuss I think this subdivision. and. Mr. Tuthill's
subdivision have ample facilities ,for recreational purposes,, I
should imagine this is intended for children mainly. I will say
that each of these sections are in. the East Cutchogue District
and the school is rather close and has a fine playground. Secondly
we have .complied with the requirements of the Board of Health and
have lots larger than required by the Town of Southold. The 20.,000
square foot lot is a fairly large lot and for the fairly modest
homes which will go up there, they will have ample area for the
childrens recreation. You will also notice we have provided
quite a large area on the map going down to the Creek.. There
is a 100 ft. frontage there and I think that should be .recognized
also. I will say that was put in because we plan to have these
roads dedicated to the Town, As a matter of fact we plan to have
all the. papers before the Town Board on next Tuesday and that is
a requirement of the Town for the dedication of highways- By
taking those three things all together on a small development I
would be inclined to urge that you people find that we have
sufficient area there for normal recreational development, Of
course on the creek is boating and Little Neck Road also goes
down-to ,another part of the Creek, So they have for boating.
facilities more than any inland development would have. My,.'
statements hold true for both this development and the one of
Mr.. Wilson Tuthill,
THE 'CHAIRMAN'= Thank you., Mr. Wickham.
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MR., VAN TUYL: This subdivision does also provide for
a reserved parcel that will go to the Town. it could be used
as a park-
THE CHAIRMAN: if there is no one else who wishes to be
heard on this subdivision known as Moose Cove at East Cutchoguet
Town of Southold, New York, I will declare the hearing closed.
Moved by Mr_ Urzkelbach, seconded by Mr, Young;
WHEREAS Harry E.. Mason and William M, Beebe have petitioned
the Southold Town Planning Board for final, approval of their plat
known as "Moose Cove" at East Cutchoguek New Yorkj and
WHEREAS the Southold Town Superintendent of Highways has
inspected the plat and found the highways in satisfactory condition
for reasonable access and in compliance with the Highway Speci-
fications of the Town of Southold, and his report is approved by
the Planning Boards and
WHEREAS the Southold Town Planning Board, pursuant to due
notice thereof.r held a public hearing on the matter of approval
of the plat at which time all interested persons were given an
opper tunity to be heard and
WHEREAS the Southold Town Planning Board waives the
provisions in the Rules and Regulations for the Subdivision of
Land requiring park and playground area or cash equivalent;
NOW THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED that the subdivision known as
"Moose Cove" at East Cutchogue, New York, consisting of 38.12 acres
and owned by Harry E_ Mason and William M. Beebe, be approved on
the basis that if dedication of the highways to. the Town of Southold
is not completed within 90 days from this date, performance bond
for their completion will be required.
This plat is generally bounded and described as follows;.
Northerly by Eugenefs Road, land now or formerly of Wilson
Tuthill., and other land now or formerly of William M. BeebeAnd
others, 1500 feet more or less; Easterly by Little Neck Road and
land now or formerly of Wilson Tuthill, 2200 feet more or less;
Southerly byland now or. formerly of Wilson Tuthill, 1030 feet more
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or less; and Westerly by Eugenell-s Creek, 1500 feet, more or
less.
Vote of the Boards Ayes=- Mr. Wickham, Mr. Moisa,, Mr.
Grebe, Mr. Young,. and Mr, Unkelbach,
PUBLIC TTFJUUNGs Upon the question of approval of the
following plats Plat of property owned by Wilson Tuthill entitled
"Sunny Shores", consisting of a parcel of land of approxikately
14,7 acres situated at East Cutchogue, in the Town of Southold.,.
.Suffolk County, New York, generally bounded and described as
follows: Northerly by now or formerly of William M. Beebe and
others, 1030 feet,,, more or least Easterly by Little Neck Road,
685 feet more or less; Southerly by other land now or formerly
of Wilson Tuthill 950 feet, more or less; and Westerly by Eugene's
Creek 800 feet more or less.
The Chairman opened the hearing by reading notice of hearing
with affidavit attesting to its publication in the official
newspaper, report from the Superintendent of Highways, and appli-
cation for final approval of plat,
THE CHAIRMAN: Does anyone wish to be heard in opposition
to the subdivision entitled "Sunny Shores" in the Town of Southold,
East Cutchogue?
(There was no response. )
THE CHAIRMAN: Hearing none, does anyone wish to speak for it?
MR. WZZIAM WICKHAM,r Cutchogue, New Yorks Since this
development -and the previous one are adjoining and also adjacent
on the Creek I wish my remarks made at the previous hearing
spread upon the record,
THE CHAIRMAN: Certainly,
(Remarks .ma.de by William Wickhamt Esq. at the Public Hearing
upon approval of the plat "Moose Cove") Since the first hearing I
have been thinking of the matter Mr, Van Tuyl brought up about
_ playground and recreational areas. I would like you to waive any
further requirements on that and I say the same thing for the next
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application of Wilson Tuthill. �My reasons are thus; I -think
this subdivision and Mr. Tuthill`'s subdivision have ample
facilities for recreational purposes, I should imagine this
is intended for :children maaJAy. I will say that each of these
sections are in the East Cutchogue District and the school is
rather close and has a fine playground. Secondly we have
complied with the requirements of the Health Department and
have lots larger than required by the Town of Southold. The
200000 sq. foot lot is a fairly large lot and for the fairly
modest homes which will go up there,,, they will have ample area
for the children-Is vecreation. You will also notice we have
provided quite. a large area on the map going down to the Creek..
There is a 100 ft. frontage there and. 1 think that should be
recognized also. I will say that was put in because we plan
to have these roads dedicated to the Town. As a matter of
fact we plan to have all the papers before the Town Board on
next Tuesday and that is a requirement of the Town for the
dedication -of highways,. By taking ,those three things all
together on a small development I would be inclined to urge
that you people find that we have sufficient area there for
normal recreational development, of course, on the Creek is
boating and Little Neck Road also goes down to another part
of the Creek. So they have for boating facilities more than
any inland development would have. My statements hold true
for both this development and the one of Mr. Wilson Tuthill.
MR, VAN TUYL: This parcel which is going to the Town
which could be .called park area more than complies with the
1/4 acre plot requirement.
THE -CHAIRMAN: if there is no one else who wishes to be
heard, on this subdivision I willdeclare the hearing closed.
Moved by Mr. Moisa, seconded by Mr. Grebe:
WHEREAS Wilson Tuthill has petitioned the Southold Town
Planning Board for final approval of his plat known as "Sunny
Shores" at East Cutchogue,. New York; and
WHEREAS the Southold Town Superintendent' of Highways has
inspected the plat and found the highways in satisfactory condition
for reasonable access and in compliance with the Highway Speci-
fications of the Town of Southold, and his report is approved by
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the Planning Boardy and
WBF F.AS the Southold Town Planning Boardx., pursuant to due
notice thereof, held a public hearing on the matter of approval
of the plat at which time all interested persons were given an
opportunity to be heard; and
WHEREAS the Southold Town Planning Board waives the
provchsions in. the Rules and Regulations for the Subdivision of
Land rgquir�-ng park and playground area or cash equivalent;
XCK THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED that the subdivision known as
"Sunny Shores" at East Cutchoguex. New York,, consisting of 14.7
acres and owned by Wilson Tuthill,, be approved on the basis that
if dedication of the highways. to the Town of Southold is not
completed within 90 days from this datex performance bond for
their completion will be required.
This plat is generally bounded and described as follows:
Northerly by land now or formerly of William Beebe and others,
1030 feet., more or less; Easterly by Little Neck Road„ 685 feetg
more or less; Southerly by other land now or formerly of Wilson
Tuthill 950 feet more or less; and Westerly by Eugene*s Creeb
800 feet more or less.
Vote of the Boards Ayes:" Mr. Wickham,, Mx. Moisa,, Mr.
Grebe,. Mr.Young, and Mr. Unkelbach..
On motion of Mr. Moi.sa, seconded by-Mr, Grebe, and carried,.
it was
RESOLVED that Mr. ARchibald Young be elected Vice-Chairman
of the Southold Town Planning Board.
Vote of the Board: Ayes:-- Mr. Wickhamx. Mr. Moisat. Mr.
Grebex_ and Mr. Unkelbach.
On motion of Mr. Grebe. seconded by Mr. Unkelbach, and
carried; it was
RESOLVED that Mr. Henry Moisa be, elected secretary of the
Southold Town Planning Board July 6.4 1960
the Southold Town Planning Board,
Vote. of the Board; Ayes s- Mr, Wickham~ Mr.. .Y.oung,, Mr.
Grebe*. and Mr, Unkelbach.
The Planning Board considered and discussed the matter_
of allocation of ,playfield, parks and other open spaces in
subdivisions. Our present .rules and regulations indicate
an area of .at least one acre per 100 building lots for such
purposes,, which is about '3%, It was thought that 5% might
be a more accurate figure-
,On motion of Mr. .MQisa,_ seconded by Mr. Grebes and carried„
it was
RESOLVED that the Planning Board write to -the Townships
of Babylon, Brookhaven„ Huntington,. Islip and Smithtown request-
ing that they advise us of their latest schedule of such fees and
their latest requirements for playfields and other open spaces in
subdivisions.
Vote of the Boards Ayesz Mr. Wickham, Mr- Moisa Mrs
Grebe,,,-- Mr. Young g and Mr. Unkelbach.
The Board discussed the question of requiring performance
bonds. It was decided they would hold to the patternof .waiving
performance bond if the developer is going to dedicate his roads
within 90 days of the approval of his plat by the Planning Board.
They further feel it would be good business to notify the developer
of this procedure at the time he applies for preliminary approval
of his Plat,
With reference to the Planning Board's previous contact
with the Riverhead Town Planning Board relative to a joint
meeting,. the Planning Board received a letter from the Riverhead
Board stating that their next regular meeting is scheduled for
Wednesday, July 13k 1960 and they would he happy to meet with
this Board at that time.,
It was decided that the Southold Planning Board would go
to Riverhead on Wednesday, July 13, 1960 at approximately, 8s00
P,M. for this joint meeting.
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In replying to the Riverhead Board it was suggested that
they might wish to invite one of the members of the County
Planning Board to this ,joint meeting*
The Planning .Board received a letter from the Suffolk
County Health Department -transmitting a resolution referring
in general fashion to all areas not conducive to the successful
use of private sewaAje disposal systems_ They are primarily
concerned at this time with the marshland hydraulic fills,,. as
suitable (for sewage disposal) share front property is rapidly
becoming a thing of the past. The Health Department feels
the Planning Board should give a great deal of thought to any
future proposed building on . land of this nature to insure the
health and well being of the people who will live there and
those in the Surrounding areas.
The Planning Board next considered.# againp, the petition
of Stephen Hornick for a change of zone on certain property
on Skippers Lanej, Orient, New York- Mrs. Hornick had asked
that her letter from the Department of Health, Riverhead.,,. be
read to the planning Board. This letter stated that Mr.
Hornick would have to relocate his well#. . install a second
cesspool before he would receive approval from the Health
Department_
After considerable discussion,, and a report from Mr.
Young on his inspection of the property,_
On motion of Mr. Young,, seconded by Mr. Moisav- and
carried* it was
RESOLVED that the Planning Board advise the Town Board
that. they are unwilling to recommend the property of Stephen
Horni-ckj_ Skippers Laney. Orient, New York., for a change of
zone from "A" Residnetial and Agricultural District to "M"
Multiple Residence District as it is the belief of the Plan-
ring Board that this property will not meet the requirements
for a Multiple Residence District..
It was further RESOLVED that a letter be,forwarded '.
to Mrs. Stephen Hornick advising of the Board's recommendation_
Vote of the Boards Ayes:- Mr.. wickham,, Mr. Moisa, Mr..
Grebe, Mr, Young, and Mr_ Unkelbach..
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The planning Board next received« from the Town Boardrt the
original petition of Mary E,r Scholtz and Margurite E_ Scholtz,
Laurel,, New Yorks requesting a change of zone from "A" Resi-
dential and Agricultural District to "B" Business District ca
certain real property situated a.t .Laurelo- New York,t and more
particularly bounded and described as follows: Beginning at a
concrete marker cn the northerly line, of the Main Road (Route
25)#. said point being the northeasterly corner of land of Edward
.J_ Schultz,, running thence southwesterly along said land of
Edward Schultz 186 feet more or less to a pointF thence easterly
along lands of the applicant 94 feet more or less to a point]
on the .property line of land of Sophie Saunderst thence running
in a southeasterly direction along said land of Sophie Saunders
181 feet more or less to the northerly line of the Maui Road]
thence running .in a- westerly direction along the said northerly
°line of the'Main Road 67 feet 7 inches to the place or point of
beginning*
Applicants state they request this change as it is .their
intention to operate, a "neighborhood store"t selling ice cream,,
newspapers vegetables and other mimellaneous items customarily
sold in such a store.
After considerable. discussion,,_ on motion of Mr: Grebe,
seconded by Mr. Unkelbach and carried.. it was
RESOLVED that the Planning Board recommend to the Town
Board this change of zone from "A" Residential and Agricultural
District to "B" Business District4, on the Town Board's own motion„
the property of Mary E. Scholtz and W prite E. Scholtz,, and
include all property from Aldrich Lane to and including the
Eastern T., V. Business building owned by Edward Scholtz and also
including the sand pit operation located northeasterly from,the
Main Road.
Vote of the Board: Ayes:- Mr. Wickham, Mr, Moisa, Mr_ Grebe,.
Mr.. Young,, ' and Mr. Unkelbach.
The minutes of the meeting of June 21, 1960,. .on motion of
Mr. Unkelbachx seconded by Mr. Grebe,K. and carried, were approved
as submitted.
Vote of the Board: Ayes:- Mr.. Wickham,,_ Mr.. Moisa,. Mr. .Grebe
Mr. Young,,.. and Mr- Unkelbach.
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Mr. Van Tuyl reported that he had spoken with Alden
Young with reference to the possible route of the Expressway
and Mr, Young stated there is some chance it may be located
north of Grummans.
Mr. Howard Terryx Building Inspector, read to the Planning
Board his report on his attendance at the Annual Meeting of the
Conference of Mayors and other Municipal Officials and the Annual
Meeting of the New York State Building Officials Conference at
Rochester.
The Planning Board commended Mr. Terry on his comprehensive
report_
The Board discussed the method of assessment related to
them on November 9,, 1955 when Mr. Raymond Terry of the Southold
Town Board of Assessors attended their meeting.
On motion of Mr.. Unkelbach,. seconded by Mr. Youngs and
carried, it was
RESOLVED that Planning Board forward a letter to the Southold
Town Board stating that it has come to the attention of the
Planning Board that the present policy of the Board of Assessors
seems to be to. assess undeveloped land on the basis of what it
might bring on todays market if developed. The Planning Board
would like to point out that this is completely contrary to the
policy outlined to the Planning Board and the Zoning Commission
in meeting with the Board of Assessors in November 1955. We
further feel that such a policyr if followed„ would be extremely
detrimental to the healthx_ interests,. and welfare of the Town,
of Southold and directly contrary to Items la 2 and 6 in our
Preamble. for the Rules and Regulations for the Subdivision of
Land of the Town of Southold.
The Planning Board would respectfully request the Town
Board to give this their further attention..
The next meeting of the Southold Town Planning Board will
be held 700 P.M.,,;. Tuesday, July 26,t 1960 at the Town Clerk
Office, Main Rca dx Southold, New York_
Meeting adjourned at 10a45 P.M.
Respectfully submittedA
CChairman u ith T. Boken, Secretary
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