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HomeMy WebLinkAboutPB-02/01/1960 ��c���FOLk�OG o L T Southold Town Planning Board S O UTH O LD, L. I., N. Y. PLANNING BOARD MEMBERS John Wickham, Chairman Henry Moisa Alfred Grebe Archibald Young William Unkelbach M I N U T E S Southold Town Planning Board February 1, 1960 A regular meeting of the Southold Town Planning Board was held Monday, February 1, 1960 at the Tovm Clerk Office, Main Road, Southold, New York. There were present: Messrs. John Wickham, Chairman, Henry Moisa' Alfred Grebe, Archibald Young, and William Unkelbach. Also present: Messrs. Howard M. Terry, Building Inspector, Robert W. Tasker, Tovm Attorney, Otto W. Van Tuyl, Consultant, and Harold Price, Highway Superintendent. William Wickham, Esq, appeared before the Planning Board by request of Edgar Hills, Esq. , who asked that he speak to the Board on behalf' of Arnold Sacks. It has been rumored that the Planning Board would be in favor of the entire area at the intersection of Middle Road, Sound Avaue, and Cox Neck Road, Mattituck, New York, being zoned "B" Businesse Mr. Hills would like to make an application on behalf of Mr. Sacks and possibly Mr. Pappish joining in and also some of the other property owners in the area. However, he does not want to do it unless there is some indication from the Planning Board that it would be feasible, The Chairman advised Mr. Wickham that there had been some discussion at the last meeting about this Southold Town Planning Board -2® February 17 1960 situation and the Board had been aware of the fact for some time that there had been people in that neighborhood who are interested in having the area zoned commercial, and the Planning Board thought they might correspond with the other interested people to see if they would like to join with Papish and the Town Board on its own motion. Mr. Wickham stated that he was bringing the matter upat this time as a move to get the situation under way. The Chairman stated that the Planning Board is definitely of the opinion this area should be zoned "B11 Business and the only thing left to resolve is how it may be done most satisfactorily. William Wickham alsospoke to the Planning Board with reference to the application of William M. Beebe and Harry E. Mason for tentative approval of a subdivision to be known. as Moose Cove at Little Neck, East Cutchogue, New York. Tentative approval had been granted by -the Planning Board on December 15, 1959• He asked the Board just where the dividing line is for developers that do not have to file maps, and what about the new Health Depaftment requirements? The Chairman advised that the Planning Board is primarily interested in highways and that is the basic reason for insisting on a filed map. The primary reason for revising the Rules and Regulations for the Subdivision of Land was that the Planning Board found they are getting no where ,there is a problem with the developments. As far as the Zoning Ordinance of the Town of Southold is concerned, the minimum lot must be 129500 sq. ft. and the thing that confuses everyone is that the Board of Health will not o.k. a filed map unless the lots are 20,000 sq. ft. However, if someone were to present for dedication a highway to the Town of Southold and it were approved by the Town,then the Planning Board would not insist on a map being filed if there were a reasonable number of lots. Possibly 6 to 10 lots. Mr. Harold Price, Highway Superintendent, stated that they are adding a paragraph to the highway specifications that "where a road has been completed according to the specifications to the satisfaction of the Town Board and himself, then they will give tentative approval, but the road will not be accepted as a To-vm highway until one year from that date." Mr. Price further stated that he thought another sentence should be added to that stating that a third coat of oil. should be applied before the Town takes over at the end of the year. Mr. William Wickham stated th4t as far as he is concerned the question in his mind is who shall file a map, who shall have 20,000 sq. ft. and will you allow 127500 sq. ft. on a public road. Is the Planning Board going to penalize the man with the subdivision? The Chairman advised that the Plan- ning Board cannot say someone is o.k. with less than 20,000 sq. ft. because the Health Department will say you are not. Southold Town Planning Board February 1, 1960 If everyone files a map here and it requires the Board of Health approval than the applicant must go to the Board of Health. What is in the best interests of the Town of ,Southold is . the Planning Boardts main- concern. The Chairman advised he feels it will. not be long before everything is 20,000 sq. ft. Right now the V.A. and F.H.A. will not give mortgages on less than 20,000 sq. ft. Mr. William Wickham stated that he feels that whereas Suffolk County is so long that many problems applying to Islip and Babylon do not apply out here in our farming communities. Mr. Unkelbach suggested the possibility of the Planning Board petitioning the Board of Health to ease up on the regulations since there is no comparison between Southold and villages further west. On motion of Mr. Young, seconded by Mr. Moisa, and carried, It was RESOLVED, that Mr. Wickham, Chairman of the Planning Board, accompanied by Mr. Van Tuyl, visit with Dr. David-'- Overton, Commissioner of Health of Suffolk County relative to the possibility of easing up or_ lot size regulations , water supply and other regulations with relation to the Town of Southold. Vote of the Board: Ayes:- Mr. Wickham, Mr. Moisa, Mr. Grebe, Mr. Young, and Mr. Unkelbach. The Board went on to discuss with Mr. William Wickham and Mr. Walter Luce, Cutchogue, New York, the m tter of the affect of detergents on the soil, storm sewers and water districts. Mf. Walter Luce then spoke to the Board with reference to lots he owns on Bay Avenue and Pine Tree Road, Cutchogue. The Chairman advised that as far as the rules and regulations for the subdivision of land are concerned, if the highway is accepted by the Tovm then lots may be sold. If someone desired to open other roads he would have to go through the preliminary proceedings of putting the roads into shape and filing a map ,if someone wished to build on the roads before the year is up when they are accepted by the Town. Mr. Luce was advised that Bay Avenue and Pine Tree Road are established Town highways and he can sell lots with 12,500 sq. ft. The question now is lots on unapproved roads off Bay Avenue and Pine Tree Road. Mrp ,Luce was told that there are only two alternatives. Either seek approval of the access or file a map of the entire parcel and have it approved and the problem will be solved. On motion of Mr. Moisa, seconded by Mr. Grebe and carried, it was Southold Town Planning Board February 1, 1960 RESOLVED that the Southold Town Planning Board retain Mr. Otto W. Van Tuyl as Consultant. Appointment to be effective as of January 1, 1960. Vote of the Bpard: Ayes:- Mr. Wickham, Mr. Moisa, Mr. Grebe, Nir. Young, and Mr. Unkelbach. The matter of the application of Walter Grabie for an Open Developer nt Area was ordered held in abeyance until the Planning Board hears from the Health Department. A letter was received from the Southold Town Board of Appeals stating that they understand that the Board of Health now requires 20,000 sq. ft. minimum lot sizes in subdivisions. It is also their understanding that the Planning Board and board of Health regard property coming under the subdivision regulations as being any property which zs divided into five or more lots. Actually if these assumptions are correct the Board of Appeals will continue to function on property which are divided into four or fewer lots, A reply to their letter was requested. The Planning Board replied that it is the feeling of the Planning Board that the dividing point for lots to be handled as a subdivision should be between four and five. The Planning Board suggested that the Board. of Appeals handle cases of access involving four cr less lots and the Planning Board handle cases involving five or more lots where access is concerned. The a.-pplication of Ralph Glover and Una Belle Glover for an Open Development Area was received. Location of the property, North Sea Drive, Southold , New York. After study- ing the application it was the feeling of the Planning Board that the aforementioned ruling of access involving four or less lots being referred to the Board. of Appeals would apply in this case, The Planning Board received the application of George G. Bailey, Broad-waters Drive, Nassau Point, for a change of zone from "A" Residential and Agricultural District to "B" Business Districton certain real property situated at south side Main Road, Cutchogue, New York, approximately 400 ft. west of Bay Avenue , with a frontage of 66 feet and depth of 165 feet. , bounded easterly and southerly by land of William Midgley, westerly by Walter Silleck and northerly by Main Road, but more particularly bounded and described as follows: (Deed description) Beginning at a point marking the northwesterly corner of the tract hereby conveyed, and the northeasterly corner of the lands now or formerly of Oscar Silleck, on the southerly margin of the Main highway running through Peconic; thence running southerly by and with said lands now or formerly of Oscar Silleck ten (10) rods to land now or formerly of Daniel Southold Town Planning Board -5- February 1, 1960 V. Howell; thence easterly, by andwith the said land now or formerly of Daniel ' V. Howell four (4) rods; thence northerly by and with the lands now or formerly of Daniel V. Hair ell ten (10) rods to southerly margin of said highway, and thence westerly along the southern margin of said highway four (4) rods to the point or place of beginning; being bounded north- erly by said highway; easterly and southerly by lands now or formerly of Daniel V. Howell; and westerly by lands now or formerly of Oscar Sill_eck, containing about one quarter of an acre. Mr. Bailey stated in his application that he wishes to use the land to have a ceramic shop for lessons and to sell_ ceramic supplies. On motion of Mr. Unkelbach, seconded by Mr. Moisa, and carried it was RESOLVED, that the Planning Board recommend to the Town Board that the change of zone be made from "A" Residential and Agricultural District to "B" Business District on the aforementioned described property. The Planning Board is thoroughly familiar with this property, and wish to point out that this change will fill out a "B" Business District, because this property has been a jog in . the existing district. The request seems completely reasonable to the Plan ping Board. Vote of the Board: Ayes:- 1x1r. Wiclfham, Mr. Mois a, Mr. Grebe,. Mr. Young , and Mr. Unkelbach. The Planning Board discussed the matter of amendments to the Southold Town Building Zone Ordinance as proposed by the Board of Appeals on May 19 1959• On motion of Mr. Young, seconded by Mr. Unkelback and carried, it was RESOLVED, that the Planning Board recommend to the Town Board the first three amendments proposed in the letter of the Southold Tovm Board. of Appeals on May 11 1959: 1. Sign sizes: Article III subsection 8 to read "1 Foot by 2 feet." subsection 9 to read 4 feet by 6 feet. " subsection 10 to read !'3 feet by 4 feet.Q These clarificati ns would elimin.at the possibility of odd shaped elongated advertising sign. Southold Town Planning Board -6- February 1, 1960 2. Under Section 360 (2) of Article III A, the I'M" District allows a 50 sq. ft. double face sign without - any restrictions. We believe an additional sentence should be added to (2) as follows: "Height of signs in the 111411 District, advertising _the business conducted on the premises , should not exceed 35 feet and the bottom edge of the sign shall not be less than four feet from the ground level. " It is believed that most motel signs are electrical in nature and it has been recommended that a four foot clear- ance be required. Any unnecessary hardship could be corrected by variance. We do not suggest altering the superficial area of the Signs. The purpose is to cohfine the maximum dimensions to the sign area intended when the present amendments were adopted. 3 . It is recommended that the following addition be made to the Ordinance under Article III A, Section 350, to read: 111. a. Two family dwellings. " This oversight was called to our attention by the Town Attorney. A further amendment on motion of Mr. Grebe, seconded by Mr. Moisa and carried was recommended to the Town Board by the Planning Board. The Planning Board is in receipt of a letter from Frank Aikman, Jr. , Chief Engineer, Long Island Rail Road concurring in the Planning Board's proposal and- stating that as the Ordinance now reads such a zone would place a restriction on future industrial development in which the railroad would naturally be interested. Article V, Section 503 to be altered as follows: "Section 503a--"C" FRONT YARD--In the "C" Industrial _District, the required front yard shall be at least thirty (30) feet, provided further that where property is bounded on any side by a private right-of-way, other than a railroad right-of-way, there shall be a setback along the entire length of such private right-of-way df at least 15 feet. " Vote of the Board: Ayes :- Mr. Wickham, Mr. Moisa, Mr. Grebe, Mr. Young, and Mr. Unkelbach. 4 Southold Town Planning Board February 1, 1960 The Planning Board discussed with the Town Attorney the matter of liability insurance. Mr. Tasker advised that certain employees in the Town are covered, however the Plan- ning Board, Board of Appeals, etc. , are not. He stated that the policies of the Town are being gone over and steps will be taken to include the Planning Board and Board of Appeals. The annual meeting of the Association of Towns to be held in New York City February 87 9, and loth was brought up for discussion. On motion of Mr. Moisa, seconded by Mr. Unkelbach and carried, it was RMSOLVED that Mrs. Judith T. Bokazbe designated to attend the meetings as a representative of the Southold town Planning Board. Mr. Wickham advised the Planning Board that on January 269 1960 he had appeared before the Southold Town Board to discuss the seriousness of Golden Nematode on Eastern Long Island and requested that some financial assistance by the Town of Southold toward eradication of Golden Nematode would be of great help in this program.. He went on to explain to the Planning Board the affect of Golden Nematode upon the crops, how it spreads, and what has been done at the present time toward seeking legislation for its eradication and control. On motion of Mr. Young , seconded by Mr. Unkelbach and carried, it was RESOLV.�D, that a letter be forwarded to the Southold Town Board recommending that the Town Board of the Town of Southold take immediate steps to make available funds for the eradication and control of the Golden Nematode. The Planning Board believes that the positive approach to this problem offers more hope, but also at the present time we appear to have an unique opportunity of cooperating with state and federal agencies in a new plan, namely treatment by fumigation of land not now infeated9 but "operationally exposed." It was further R SOLITED upon motion of �1Ir. Moisa, seconded by Mr. Grebe and carried, that a letter be forwarded to the Southampton Town Planning Board outlining the Southold Town Planning Board's recommendation to the Town Board and the importance of-prompt action in this matter and suggesting that the Southampton Board consider this problem and if they see fit recommend to their Tovm Board cooperative action. Vote of the Board% Ayes:- Mr. Wickham, Mr. Mois a. Mr. Grebe, Mr. Young , and Mr. Unkelbach. r • Southold Town Planning Board February 1, 1960 The Elam-iing Board received a map of property of George F. Grathwohl at New Suffolk, New York by Otto W. Van Tuyl & Son dated July 25, 1957. After considerable discussion and consideration, on motion of Mr . Moisa, seconded by Mr. Young, and carried, it was RESOLVED that the Planning Board grant tentative permission to Mr. George F. Grathwohl to clear and grade proposed road running easterly from Grathwohl Road approximately 345 ft. then northerly toward unnamed private road approximately 7,60 ft. , on his property on the easterly side of Grathwohl Road, New Suffolk, New York, as shown on Preliminary Plan for George F. and Elsie Grathwohl, New Suffolk, New York dated July 25; 1957 by Otto W. Van Tuyl & Son. Vote of the Board: Ayes:- Mr. Wickham, Mr. Moisa, Mr. Grebe, Mr. Young, and Mr. Unkelbach. The next meeting of the Southold Town Planning Board will be held 7:30 P.M. , Wednesday, February 17, 1990 at the Town Clerk Off ice, Main Road, Southold, New York. The minutes of the meeting of January 117 1960, on motion of Mr. Moisa, seconded by Mr. Grebe and carried, were approved as submitted to the members by mail. Vote of the Board; Ayes :- Mr. Wickham, Mn Moisa, Mr. Grebe, Mr. Young, and Mr. Unkelbach. Meeting adjourned at 11s00 P.M. Respectfully submitted, Judith T. Boken Secretary John Wickham, Chairman