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v' ® AF SOUTHOLD, L. I., N. Y. 11971
PLANNING BOARD
MEMBERS
John Wickham, Chairman
Henry Molsa
Alfred Grebe
Henry Raynor
Frank Coyle
141INUTLS
SOUTHOLD TOWN PLANNING BOARD
February 1, 1971
A regular meeting of the Southold Towm. Planning Board
was held at 7: 30 P.M. , Monday, February 1, 1971, at the Town
Office, Main Road, Southold, New York.
There were present: Messrs: John Wickham, Chairman; Henry
Moisa, Nice-Chairman; Henry Raynor; Frank Coyle; Alfred Grebe.
Also present: Howard Terry, Building Inspector-
Mr. Gottlieb Nickles presented the Planning Board with final
maps for the proposed minor subdivision of 011ie M. Overton, property
located at south side of Terry Lane (Founders Landing) , Southold, New
York. The map showed 6 lots, lots 1-5 contained 29,000± sq. ft. of
area, lot # 6 contained 40,.00Otsq. ft. of area. Mr. Nickles stated
that this area is serviced with public water, gas, and electricity.
Upon inspecting the map the Chairman suggested that the area of the
lots be increased by eliminating one of the lots. Mr. Nickles- ex-
plained that the reason that the lots were laid out in this manner
is because they want to have as much land as possible to convey to
the-Southold Park District. Mr. Nickles informed' the Board that he
has no confirmation as to exactly how much land the Park District;
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is interested in purchasing, he suggested that the Planning Board,
send a letter to the Park Distriat inquiring just how much land;
they plan to purchase. The Chairman agreed to send such an inquiry,
to the Southold Park District.
THE CHAIRMAN: It is now 7: 30 P.M. , I would. like to call the
meeting to order at this time and? read the legal notice of hearing:
NOTICE IS HEREBY GIVEN that pursuant to Section 276 of the
Town Law, a public hearing will be held by the Southold Town:,
Planning Board at the Town Office, Main Road, Southold, New York.,
in said Town on the lst day of February, 1971, at 7: 30 o'clock
in the evening of said day on the question of approval of the.
following plat::
1. Plat of property owned by Leeward Acres at Bayview, Ina.. ,
entitled-' Leeward Acres: at, Bayview, consisting of a parcel of land
of 56.989 acres, situated! in Southold, in the Town of Southold,
Suffolk County, New York, and bounded and describe& as follows:
BEGINNING at a point: formed by the intersection of the
southerly line of North Bayview Road with the easterly line
of Jacob' s Lane and running thence from said point of begin-
ning; easterly along the southerly line of said North Bayview
Road the following courses and distances:
(1) S. 73' 20' 30" E. 417.10 feet
2) S. 73" 03' 30" E. 338.23 feet
3) S. 73' 02' 50" E. 345.21 feet
(4) S. 72. 59' 30" E. 903.59 feet
thence.. southerly, westerly and again southerly, again westerly
and again southerly along the land of "Seeward Acres, Inc. "
the following courses and distances:
(1) S. 200 10' 10" W. 499.87 feet
2 N. 640 04' 30" W. 127.54 feet
3) S. 24' 35' 15" W: 552.49 feet
4. N. 59: 02' 20" W 157.43 feet
5 S. 27 - 04' 30" W. 314.25 feet
thence westerly, southerly and again westerly along the land
of Hazel B. Mack the following courses and distances:
fflN. 60. 24' 00" W. 204.54 feet
S. 27' 22' 00" W. 187.30 feet
(3) N. 56' 50' 30" W. 320.93 feet
(4) N. 35' 28' 40" W. 525.56 feet
thence westerly, southerly and again westerly along the land
of Mahlon D. Dickerson the following courses and distances:
N. 68" 42' 50" W. 180.19 feet
2 S. 35:' 00' 30" W. 391.53 feet
(3) N. 62' 19' 00" W. 36.18 feet
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(4) N. 590 39' 4011 ,W. 545.50 feet
thence northerly along the easterly line of Jac.ob's Lane
the following courses and distances:
(1) N. 270 46' 00" E. 98.42 feet
(2) N. 28' 36' 30" E. 1179.40 feet. to the point or
place of beginning.
The Chairman read the affidavits attesting to its publication.
in the Long Island Traveler-Mattituck Watchman and the Suffolk
Weekly Times.
The Chairman inspected the file on this subdivision and read_
the following correspondence contained therein:
, Letter received from Alden Young, Engineer, dated January 21,
1970, in answer to Planning Board' s request for more informa-ttijon o3z
the level of the pond.
Letter received. from the Superintendent. of Highways:, dated
January 23, 1970, approving the road lay-out.
Bond estimate received from Lawrence Tuthill, dated February
4, 1970, in the -amount' of $116,000.00
Planning Board recommendation to the Suffolk County Board of
Health, dated February 26, 1970.
Letter received-_ from H.W. Davids, dated March 10, 19709
acknowledging receipt of Planning Board recommendation.
Letter received from the Village of Greenport notifyilng the
developer that they cannot extend water to that area.
Letter received from the Superintendent of Highways, dated
October 8, 1970, approving the road lay-out of the revised sub-
division plan..
Certification of approval received from the Suffolk County
Dept. of Health, dated October 26, 1970.
Revised bond estimate received from Lawrence Tuthill, in
the amount of $58,000.00, dated October 26, 1970.
Letter of December 3, 1970 which the Planning Board sent to
the developer stating suggestions for improving the map.
Letter of January 15, 1971, which the Planning Board sent to
the developer notifying him of the amount of the subdivision fee.
The Chairman also read the Information Sheet attached to the
inside of the front cover of the file.
THE CHAIRMAN: Upon inspecting this file, I find it complete
in all respects. Is- there anyone present who wishes to speak im
opposition to this subdivision?
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(There was no response. )
THE CHAIRMAN: Hearing none, I would like to recommend on the
part of the Planning Board that this subdivision be approved. I
would also like to state that the Planning Board feels that the
engineer, the developer, and the lawyer have spent a great deal of:'
time working on this subdivision, ' and we regret the length of time
that it has taken and we also regret the determination of the Board-
of Health after submitting our recommendation for approval to them.
THE CHAIPUAY.: Is there anyone present who wishes to speak.-: im
favor of this subdivision?
RICHARD CRON, ATTORNEY a/c Leeward Acres at Bayview, Inc,,. : I
think the recordi speaks for itself. I quite agree with you that
it is unfortunate that the Health Dept. did not accept the first
map. After disapproving that map, they should have accepted the
cluster zoning map which they also turned down. We are not happy
with the subdivision that we have here. The first map that was
presented. with lots of 20,000 sq. ft. was far better than this one,
it is very unfortunate that the Health Dept. did not accept it.
THE CHAIRMAN: . Is there anyone else present who wishes to
speak in favor of this subdivision?
MRS. JEAN TIEDKE (L.W.Q. ) : What is cluster zoning?
The Chairman briefly explained the concept of cluster zoning.
MR. CRON: In an effort to resolve what we thought would be a
better plan, we had the map for cluster zoning prepared. The idea
was to retain a greater portion of the land in open area. `fie were
advised by the Health Dept. to prepare such a map, but when we
presented it to them they turned it down.
THE CHAIRMAN: I agree that it was unfortunate that they did
not accept it, not to criticize the Health Dept,. , I am sure that
they had. reasons of their own for. not accepting it:. Basically, we
that the main problem is the highway lay-out. The cluster zoning,
map would have made possible a better highway lay-out and better
shaped lots.
HENRY RAYNOR: It would have been a considerably better land.
use- than what we have here now. It is unfortunate that the develop-
er- and the County Board of Health could not come with a better land.
use. I think that the County should have gone down and taken a
closer look at this property before turning down the first map. I
object to this subdivision on the basis that the developer did not
meet., the requirements set forth by the Planning Board� at their
meeting held- on November 5, 1970, which concerned, among other
things, the dimensions of the lots. This map is an example of poor
planning, the lots are too deep for their width.
VIR. CRON: The engineer, the developer, and I agree with you
on your last point. The Health Dept. should have granted us a
variance. The rules and regulations did not do justice to this
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particular subdivisiom.
THE CHAIRMAN: Is there anyone else who wishes to speak on
this subdivision
(There was> no response. )
THE CHAIRMAN: Hearing none, I will now declare: the hearing
closed at this time, decision will be made by the Board later in
the evening.
Richard Cron, Attorney presented the Planning Board- with three
(3) copies of the final map for the proposed minor subdivision of
Clausen Construction Company, Inc:. , property located at northiside
of Main Road (Route 25) , Orient, New York. The map showed 5 lots,-
each containing approximately 2.3- acres:. The map showed the dimen-
sions of the lots:, but there were no courses on it. Mr. Cron said.
that he would obtain maps showing both the dimensions and the courses
and would send copies to the office.
On motion by Mr. Wickham, seconded by Mr. Raynor, it waa,
RESOLVED that the Southold Town Planning Board grant final
approval to the proposed minor subdivision of Clausen Construction
Company, Inc:. , property located at north side of Main Road (Route25) ,
Orient, New York, subject to receipt of' three (3) copies of final
map showing dimensions and courses� of lots4.
The above resolution shall include authorizatf= for the
Chairman. to sign, final maps: at suchi, time when above conditiaoni
is met.
Vote of the Boardt Ayes:- Messrs:: Wickham, Moisa, Raynor,
Coyle, Grebe.
David Horton of' Peconic Homes, Inc. at Mattituck, presented
the Planning Board;: with final maps for their proposed subdivision
to be known. as "Eas:twood -Manor" ; property located at south side of
Main Road (Route 25) , Mattituck, New York. The Board- inspected
the maps and found that all necessary revisions had been made,as
suggested by the Board..
On motion by Mr. Wickham, seconded by Mr. Raynor, it was;
RESOLVED-that the Southold Town Planning Board. set. the next
regular meeting, 7: 30 P.M. , Tuesday, February 23, 1971, at the
Town Office, Main Road, Southold, New.- York, as the time and place
of hearing upon question of approval of the following plat:
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1. Plat of property owned by Peconia Homes, Inc. at Mattituck.,
entitl-ed<. Eastwood Manor, consisting of a parcel of land of -8.33
acres, ' situated at Mattituck, in the Town of Southold, Suffolk County,
New York, and bounded and described as follows:
BEGINNING at a monument at the i.ntersection. of the
southerly line of Main Road and the easterly line of land.,-
of J. & S. Saland, said monument being the following three
(3) courses and distances as measured along the southerly
line of Blain Road from the intersection of the easterly
end of a curve connecting the easterly line of Cardinal
Drive with the. said southerly line of Main Road:
(l N. 880 081 20t1 E. for a distance of 3,98.671
(2 N. 89' 031 E. for a distance of 571. 321
3 S. 87. 391 20" E. for a distance. of 161.301 to
said point of beginning.
Thence from said point of beginning, S. 870 391 2011 E.
still along the southerly line of Main Road for a distance
of 255.82 11 to the westerly line of land of Billard Estate;
thence S. 4* 521 4091 W. along said westerly line of
land of Billard Estate for a distance of 187.761 to the
southerly line of land of Billard Estate;
thence S. 84. 531 2011 E. along said southerly line
of land of Billard Estate for a distance of 94.641 to the
westerly line of land now or formerly of Sidor;
thence S. 5' 061 4011 W. along said westerly line of
land now or formerly of Sidor for a distance of 628.13'
to the northerly line of said land now or formerly of Sidor;
thence N. 89. 281 4011 W. along said northerly line of
land now or formerly of Sidor for a distance of 191,421 to
the northeasterly corner of subdivision) "Mattituck Estates,
Inc.11 ;
thence N. 87' 261 30" W. along the northerly line of
said subdivision, "Mattituck Estates, Inc:." for a distance
of 288.741 to the easterly line of land of Filla;
thence northerly, westerly and again northerly the
following three (3) courses and distances along the land
of Filla:
(1) N,.2.501 001, E. for a distance of 565. 371
(2) N. 860 18' 1011 W. for a distance of 71. 33'
(3 N. 3' 261 10'1 E. for a distance of 57. 541 to the
southerly line of land of J. & S. Saland
thence S. 87' 391 20f1 E. along said. southerly line of
land of J. & S. Saland for a distance of 233.731 to the
easterly line of land of J. &-S. Saland
thence N. 2' 20/ 4011 E. along said easterly line of
land of J. & S. Saland for a distance of 200.001 to the
monument at the point or place of beginning.
Vote of the Board.: Ayes: Messrs: Wickham, Moisa, Raynor,
Coyle, Grebe.
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Robert Schroeder presented the Planning Board with a revised
map for the lay-out of Soundcrest Woods, Section II, dated January
18, 1971. Upon inspecting the revised map, the Chairman found
that the road going into the park and playground area is only 30
feet.-- wide. The Chairman advised TZr. Schroeder that; the Planning
Board cannot accept a subdivision for consideratioxi when the map
shows a road that- cannot be dedicated. to the Town. The Board;
diiscussed the lay-out of the roads at some length. The Chairman
suggested moving the connecting roadi. to the adjoining westerly
roperty fromlthe north side of lot # 36 to the south side of -lot
36. The Boards- once again advised Mr. Schroeder that this map
will have to be submitted to the County Board of Health for a
variance because -of the 20,000 sq. ft. lots, and that his chances:
of receiving a variance are slim. Nir: Schroeder stated that he
plans to request a variance on the basis that Section II is shown,
onithe filed map of Section I. BIr. Schroeder stated that he will
have map revised and present it at the next meeting.
The Planning Board was presented with- final maps for the,
pr-opose& minor subdivision of Nelson- Axien, property located
off north.-.side of Middle Road< (CR27) , Pecon$c, New York. The
maps showed 3:, lots-,+lot # 1 contains 35,000- sq. of area, lot
# 2 contains 36,000- sq. ft. of' area, and lot # 3 contains
379000- sq. ft. of area, all fronting on pre-existing right-
of way. At the last Planning Board meeting held on January 11,
1971, the map was not accepted because it did not show adjacent
property owners. A11 adjacent property owners were shown on
these final maps . The Planning Board agreed that they will not
accept another minor subdivision in this area.
On motion by Mr. Raynor, seconded by Mr. Coyle, it was
RESOLVED that the Southold Town Planning Board grant final
approval to the proposed minor subdivision of Nelson A"xien,
property located off north side of Middle Road (CR 27) , Peconic,
New York.
The Chairman signed the final maps;.-
Vote of the Board:: Ayes :-Messrs: Wickham, Moisa, Raynor,
Coyle, Grebe.
The Planning Board was presented with preliminary maps for
the proposed minor subdivision of John Scheel, property located
at north side of Bay Avenue, Cutchogue, New York. The map showed
poorly planned division of the property into 4 lots, lot # 3
was splinter shaped with 4.0 ft. of frontage on the Bay. The
Planning Board is of the opinion that this is a very unrealistic;
approach for the division of this property. Map to be returned
to applicant with notification of the Board' s- disapproval.
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The Chairman read notice received from the Cooperative
Extension Association of Suffolk County in regard to new movies
now available on the subject of .planning and solid waste dis-
posal, and notice of summer school to be held on how to interpret
the soil maps for specific land use.
The .Chairman read the determination received from the Suffolk
County Planning Commission on proposed change of zone petition of
Gus Schad. The Planning Commission considered it' a-. matter for
local determination and offered several comments on it..
On motion by Mr.. .Grebe, seconded by Mr. Wickham, it- was
RESOLVED that the Southold Town Planning Board hereby
re-states their recommendation of approval to the Southold
Town Board of change of zone petition of Gus Schac% property
located at north side of Route 2:5,, Greenport, New York, for
change of zone from "A" Residential and Agricultural District
to M Multiple Residence District on Parcel I, and from "A"
Residential and Agricultural District to. "B-2" Business District
on Parcel II, as originally stated in recommendation of December
28, 1970..
The Planning Board further recommends that this petition for
change of zone be set up for a public hearing at the next meeting
of the Town Board..
The above recommendation to be sent to the Town Board
together with a copy of the County recommendation.
Vote of the Board: Ayes:-Messrs: Wickham, Moises; Raynor,
Coyle, Grebe.
The Chairman read letter received from Eugene A. Oliva
in reference to dredging operation and rock
Jetty
at Major' s Pond, Orient, New York. Letter to be sent mtoiMr.
Oliva stating that the matter is in the process of being
investigated, at the present time we have no confirmed in
,formation on it.
The minutes of the Village of Greenport Planning Board,
dated January 23, 1971, were read by the Chairman and the following
letter was sent to the Town Board:
Southold. Town Planning Board. -9- February 1, 1971
Southold Town Board
16 South Street
Greenport, New York
Gentlemen:
We are in receipt of a copy of the minutes of the Village of
Greenport Planning Board, dated January 23, 1971, which state,..-state
that the Southold Town Planning Board suggested to them that they
annex into the Village of Greenport 48.7 acres of land on the
corner of North Road and Moores Lane, Greenport, owned by a corpor-
ation known as East End Associates.
The above statement which they made does not make sense to
us because we have never given such advice to them or anyone else.
We feel that this matter is not within our jurisdiction and
we are forwarding a copy of the Village of Greenport Planning
Board minutes of January 23, 1971, which were sent to us.
Yours truly,
JW/bn
John Wickham, Chairman
Southold Town Planning Board
cc- Village of Greenport Planning Board
Request received from the Greenport School District for
information and plans on the Gus Schad proposed change of zone.
Letter sent back informing them that the state enabling legisla-
tion does not rpovide for notifiaction of some interested parties
of change of zone applications . It was suggested that they send
a_ representative to the public hearing to be held on this matter.
They were informed that the Planning Board has no development
plans available at this time.
On motion by Mr. Wickham, seconded by Mr. Raynor, it was
RESOLVED that the Southold Town Planning Board recommend to
the Southold Town Board, a raise in the salary of the Planning
Board Secretary, Betty Neville, and reimbursement of her expenses
while attending evening classes for intermediate shorthand at the
Riverhead Extension of the Suffolk County Community College.
The Chairman appointed Henry Raynor and Frank Coyle to
negotiate with the Town Board on this matter.
Vote of the Board: .Ayes;-Messrs: Wickham, Moisa, Raynor, Grebe.
Nay: Mr. Coyle
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Mr. Coyle stated that he did not think that the Planning Board
should set precedent on such a. matter. Henry Raynor stated that
precedent has already been set by the Police Dept.
Copy of letter which C .H.. Wickham sent to the Town Board.
was received and read .:by the Chairman. Said letter placed on file.
Lawrence .Tuthill, P.E. submitted reduced estimate, in the
amount ofn $5,410..00, for the remaining work to be completed ,on
the roads and other improvements in the subdivision "Rosewood
Estates .
On motion by Mr. .Moisa, seconded by Mr. Wickham, it was
RESOLVED that the Southold Town Planning Board recommend to
the Southold Town Board a 50% reduction in the performance bond,
from22,,000. to -o11,000., for_ the completion of the roads in the
subdivision "Rosewood Estates" , located at Cox Neck Road and
Bergen Avenue, Mattituck, New York.
Vote of the Board: Ayes :-Messrs: Wickham, .Moisa, Raynor,:
Coyle, Grebe.
Lawrence Tuthill, P.E. submitted reduced estimate, in the
amount of $2t,500.00, for the remaining work to be completed on
the roads and other improvements in the subdivision "Northwoods "'
On motion by Mr. Grebe, seconded by Mr. Coyle, it was
RESOLVED that the Southold Town Planning Board recommend to
the Southold .Town Boardd'. a reduction in the performance bond from
43,600.00 to $2, 500.00, for the completion of the roads in the
subdivision ."Northwoods", located atE/S Cox Lane, Cu.tchogue,
New York.
Vote of the Board: Ayes;-Messrs: Wickham, Moisa, Raynor,
Coyle, Grebe...
On motion by Mr. -Wickham, seconded by Mr. Grebe, it was
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RESOLVED: WHEREAS: Leeward Acres at Bayview, Inc., Hilltop
Road, Southampton, New York, has petitioned the Southold Town
Planning Board for final approval of their subdivision "Leeward .
Acres at Bayview" , located at S/S North Bayview Road & E/./rS
Jazob's Lane, Southold, New York, and
WHEREAS: The Superintendent of Highways has approved the
lay-out of the roads, and the Planning Board accepts his report,
and
WHEREAS: The Southold Town Board will accept a; bond in the
amount of $58,000.00 for the roads and other improvements in this
subdivision,
NOW, THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED: that the Southold Town Planning
Board grant .final approval to the subdivision known as "Leeward
Acres at Bayview" , subject to the following conditions:
1. Receipt of notice from the Southold Town Board that they
have received. and accepted a bond for this subdivision.
2. Developer presenting the Planning Board with subdivision
fee of $2,655.00.
This motion shall include authorization for the Chairman
to sign final maps upon receipt of notice from the Town Board,
and receipt of subdivision fee from the developer.
Vote of the Board: Ayes;-Messrs: Wickham, Moisa, Raynor,
Coyle, Grebe.
The Planning Board inspected the large scale colored Master
Plan Map prepared for us by the County. It was decided that this
map should be displayed at the next "Information Meeting."
The Planning Board discussed the date for the next Information
Meeting on the Master Plan. It was tentatively agreed that it should
be held on either March 5rd, 4th, or 5th, preferably the 5th, at the
Southold High School. Howard Terry to call Southold High School to
find out which date will be available to us.
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On motion by Mr. Raynor, seconded by Mr. Moisa, it was
RESOLVED that next regular meeting of the Southold Town,
Planning Board be held at 7:30 P.M. , Tuesday, February 23, 19719
at the Town Office, Main Road, Southold,New York.
Vote of the Board; Ayes:-Messrs : Wickham, Moisa, Raynor,.
Coyle, Grebe.
On motion by Mr. Wickham,. seconded by Mr. Raynor, it was
RESOLVED that the minutes of the Southold Town Planning
Board, dated January 11, 1971, be approved as submitted.
Vote of the Board: Ayes:-Messrs : Wickham, Moisa, Raynor,
Coyle, Grebe.
Respectfully submitted,
Betty Neville, Secretary
Southold Town Planning Board
Wickham, Chairman