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SOUTHOLD, L. I., N. Y. 11971
PLANNING BOARD
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John !Wl.ckh!alm, (Chairman
Henry, 'Moisa
,Alfred !Grebe
enry ay�nor
Frank ,Coy e
MINUTES
SOUTHOLD TOWN PLANNING BOARD
November 22, 1971
A regular meeting of the Southold Town Planning Board was
held at 7: 30 P.M. , Monday, November 22, 1971, at the Town Office,
Main Street, Southold, New York.
There were present: Messrs: John Wickham-, Chairman; Henry
Moisa, Vice-Chairman; Henry Raynor; Frank Coyle; Alfred Grebe.
Also present: Howard Terry, Building Inspector; Lawrence
Tuthill, Town Engineer.
Mr. Koehler presented the Planning Board with a preliminary
map for the proposed subdivision of his property located at north
side of Main XState) Road, Orient, N.Y. (formerly Wm. Vogel) This
property is east of Orient-By-The-Sea, Section I. Total area of
the parcel is 35. 553 acres. Preliminary map showed a division of
the property into 30 lots, all containing 40, 000+ sq. ft. of area.
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The map showed a connecting road into Orient-By-The-Sea, Section I.
Mr. Keohler said that they would like to ddsignate lot # 1 for park
and playground area, lot # 1 fronts on L. I. Sound. The status of
the connecting road shown between Orient-By-The-Sea and this property
was discussed. It is not an existing road. Mr. Jack Sherwood of
Otto Van Tuyl & Son informed the Board that this is not a road and
the property doesn' t belong to Orient-By-The-Sea, it is owned by
Lieblein. Mr. Koehler said that he would try to acquire a portion
of this property from Mr. Lieblein to make a connecting road to
Orient-By-The-Sea, Section I. Mr. Koehler stated that if everything
else besides the connecting road is satisfactory, he would like to
have preliminary approval.
On motion by Mr. Wickham, seconded by Mr. Coyle, it was
RESOLVED that the Southold Town Planning Board grant
preliminary approval to the proposed subdivision of F. W.
Koehler & Sons, Inc. , property located at north side of
Main (State) Road, Orient, New York, subject to the following
conditions:
(1) Approval of the road lay-out by the Supt. of Highways.
(2) An understanding with the developer that he will try to
acquire a portion of the property to the west (Lieblein) to cut
through a connecting road to Orient-By-The-Sea, Section I.
Vote of the Board: Ayes: - Messrs: Wickham, Moisa, Raynor,
Coyle, Grebe.
David Gillispie presented the Planning Board with a
preliminary plan for the proposed minor subdivision of property
of Peter Sledjeski, located at north side of Main (State) Road,
Orient, New York. The map showed 5 lots (2 of them fronting on
L. I. Sound) on a parcel of land of 6 acres. The parcel of land
immediately to the south of th&s, containing 2. 65 acres, is also
owned by Peter Sledjeski. This parcel contains his residence.
The map showed right-of-way on west side of property, beginning
on the Main Road, running northerly to property of C. Rose, then
easterly, then northerly to the lots on the Sound. The Board
didn' t approve of the sharp turn in this right-of-way. The
Chairman stated that the Planning Board doesn' t approve of
anything with the owners having an interest in the adjoining
property. Mr. Gillispie stated that the property to the east
is now owned by Nicholas Pappas. The Chairman informed him
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that the parcel to the south (2. 65A) , containing his residence,
must be contained in this minor subdivision, and with the
present lot lay-out this would make too many lots for a minor
subdivision. The lots would have to be made larger. This map
would have to be sent to the County because this property is
less than 500 ft. from the state highway, and the County doesn' t
look favorably upon such a division. The Board asked Mr.
Gillispie to advise Mr. Sledjeski to appear before the Planning
Board in reference to this property.
Sal Celauro a/c Atlantic Homes of Suffolk, Inc. presented
the Planning Board with a preliminary map for the proposed minor
subdivision of property located at EIS Grand Avenue, Mattituck,
N.Y. The map showed a division of the property into three lots.
Each lot with 100 ft. frontage on Grand Avenue and 497 ft. deep.
Each lot would be over one acre. Map also showed roadway ad-
jacent to southerly boundary line. The Board informed Mr.
Celauro that the ratio of the lots is out of proportion. The
:depth should not be more than 3 times the frontage. The depth
of these lots is almost 5 times the frontage. The Board suggest-
ed that he have 2 lots on grand Avenue and one back lot with a
right-of-way.
On motion by Mr. Wickham, seconded by Mr. Grebe, it was
RESOLVED that the above proposed minor subdivision map
be tabled until the next meeting of the Planning Board for
further study.
Vote of the Board: Ayes: - Messrs: Wickham, Moisa, Coyle, Grebe.
Abstained: - Mr. Henry Raynor
Gottlieb Nickles and Marjorie Burns presented the Planning
Board with a preliminary sketch for the proposed minor subdivision
of their property located at south side of County Road 27, Southold,
New York. The map showed a division of the property into five (5)
lots: 3 lots fronting on S/S CR 27 and 1 interior lot:,wwith right-
of-way along westerly boundary line. The Chairman stated that he
would like to see a minor subdivision of this property with all of
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the lots fronting on the road and the back of the property left
in open area. The Chairman said that he has recently been
discussing this type of land use with the Town Board. The back
of this property could be leased to the adjoining property owner,
Steve Doroski, for nursery purposes. A lengthly discussion was
held in reference to land use and the possibilities for dividing
this property into a minor subdivision. The Board advised Mr.
Nickles to talk to Steve Doroski about the possibility of leasing
the back of this property. No action was taken. The Board
advised Mr. Nickles and Mrs. Burns to appear at the next meeting
of the Planning Board.
Jack Sherwood of Otto Van Tuyl & Son presented the Planning
Board with their recommendation and maps for storm water require-
ments for the subdivision "Petty' s Bight" located at Orient, N.Y.
The Board discussed these recommendations and maps with Jack
Sherwood and Mr. Aurichio. The Town Board recommendation for
leaving the west end of Petty' s Drive was read and discussed
by the Board. Mr. Sherwood said that their primary concern is
the drainage. Their recommendation is based on 2 " rainfall in
24 hours and 50/ run-off. Mr. Aurichio requested that this
subdivision be set up for a final hearing.
On motion by Mr. Wickham, seconded by Mr. Raynor, it was
RESOLVED that the Southold Town Planning Board set the next
meeting of the Southold Town Planning Board, 7: 30 P.M. , Monday,
December 20, 1971, at the Town Office, Main Road, Southold, N.Y.
as the time and place of hearing upon approval of the following
plat:
1. Plat of property owned by George & Irving Newman,
entitled "Petty' s Bight" , consisting of a parcel of land of
19. 72 acres, situated at Orient, in the Town of Southold, .
Suffolk County, New York, and bounded and described as follows:
Beginning at a point on the northeasterly line of the Old Road
146. 78 feet northwesterly along said northeasterly line from the
Main Road, said point of beginning being the westerly corner of
land of Przepiora; from said point of beginning running along said
northeasterly line of the Old Road, N. 400 24 ' 30" W. - 250. 0 feet;
thence along land of Sledjeski, four courses:
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(1) N. 49° 35 ' 30" E. - 185. 38 feet; thence
(2) N. 7" 49' 20" W. - 925. 25 feet; thence
(3) N. 45 ' 20' 00" W. - 238.77 feet; thence
(4) N. 24° 40' 00" E. - 410. 0 feet to ordinary high water
mark of Long Island Sound; thence along said high water mark as
measured by the following tie lines:
(1) S. 38 ' 54' 30" E. - 419.78 feet; thence
(2) S. 480 41 ' 50" B. - 419. 09 feet; thence along land of
Binzley, three courses:
(1) S. 70 49' 20" E. - 954. 63 feet; thence
(2) S. 0' 23 ' 50" E. - 250. 14 feet; thence
(3) S. 60 10' 00" W. - 192. 35 feet to the northerly line of
the Main Road; thence along said northerly line, N. 76 06 ' 30" W. -
55. 50 feet; thence along land of O'Kula, three courses:
(1) N. 6 10' 00" E. - 181. 74 feet; thence
(2) N. 0° 23 ' 50" W. - 125. 95 feet; thence
(3) S. 900 36 ' 100 W. - 238.87 feet; thence along said land
of Przepiora, two courses:
(1) N. 14- 14' 00" W. - 78.53 feet; thence
12) S. 55 35 ' 00" W. - 303. 69 feet to the point of beginning.
Containing 19. 72 acres/
This motion is made subject to the following conditions:
1. Approval of the turn-around by the Supt. of Highways.
2. Easing the corner between Bight Road and Petty' s Drive on
Lot # 7.
3. Westerly 256 . 56! of Petty' s Drive to be marked as "Reserved
For Possible -Future Dedication to the Town of Southold For
Town Highway Purposes"
4. Resolution of the amount of performance bond to be set for
completion of roads and other improvements in this subdivision,
upon receipt of recommended estimate by Lawrence Tuthill.
Vote of the Board: Ayes: - Messrs: Wickham, Moisa, Raynor,
Coyle, Grebe.
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Mr. Carl A. Schmitt and Mr. Best & Mr. Syverson (Mr. Schmitt ' s
son-in-laws) ; and Mr. Eugene Daneri, all of Camp Mineola Road,
Mattituck, New York, appeared before the Planning Board in reference
to their properties. They complained about the property owners in
this area dividing their properties. The Board informed them that
a minor subdivision was granted to Lena F. Howell by the Planning
Board. However, some of these lot owners in this area were granted
permission to divide their properties by the Board of Appeals. The
Planning Board advised them that they would not go along with any
further minor subdivisions in this area, due to the lot sizes and
the new requirements of the amendments to the Zoning Ordinance.
The Planning Board advised them to go to the Board of Appeals and
either complain about the granting of these variances or apply for
variances on their properties.
George Stankevich, Attorney appeared before the Planning
Board in reference to the property of Ilie Wacs and Werner
Rosenberg, located at east side of Lighthouse Road, Southold,
N.Y. (formerly the Tillinghast Estate) Mr. Stankevich advised
the Board that he has been retained by the owners for the sale
of several of these lots. Mr. Stankevich has contacted the
Health Dept. on this matter. Robert Villa informed him that
the Health Dept. has no objection to issuing the requested
waivers, however, he would like a letter in his file from the
Planning Board or Building Inspector to the effect that this
is a "pre-existing subdivision" to which the present Southold
Town Subdivision Regulations will not be applied. Mr. Stankevich
requested that the Planning Board send a letter to the Health
Dept. to the foregoing effect.
On motion by Mr. Wickham, seconded by Mr. Moisa, it was
RESOLVED that the Southold Town Planning Board hereby
sustain the action of the Board of Appeals in granting approval
of access in Appeal No. 995 - dated November 21, 1966 - on
property of Ilie Wacs & Werner Rosenberg, located at east side
of Lighthouse Road, Southold, New York.
This resolution is made subject to a written waiver from
the Suffolk County Department of Health.
Vote of the Board: Ayes: - Messrs: Wickham, Moisa, Raynor,
Coyle, Grebe.
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George Ahlers inquired about the possibility of cluster
development in a future contemplated subdivision of 70 acres
with 2800 ft. of existing town highways. Mr. Ahlers said
that he would like to have 70 lots fronting on the road and
have cluster development on the back of the lots. The Chairman
said that he would like to see this type of development and
advised Mr. Ahlers that it would also have to be worked out
with the Health Dept.
George Ahlers appeared before the Planning Board in reference
to his proposed subdivision "Calves Neck" located at E/S West Hill
Road, Southold, N.Y. . Mr. Ahlers requested that the final maps of
this subdivision be signed by the Chairman. He Otated that the
drainage is working well, it was put in above specifications.
Henry Raynor read recommendations from the Supt.of Highways in
letter of June 21, 1971 and November 22, 1971. The Board requested
a copy of Chas. Abrahams report also. The Chairman instructed that
Lawrence Tuthill be notified to send in his recommendations on the
drainage.
On motion by Mr. Moisa, seconded by Mr. Raynor, it was
RESOLVED that the Southold Town Planning Board authorize
Chairman John Wickham to sign the final maps of the subdivision
"Calves Neck" located at EIS West Hill Road, Southold, N.Y. ,
owned and developed by George Ahlers & Another.
This motion is made subject to the following conditions:
(1) Catch basins to be cleaned out.
(2) Receipt of letter of recommendation from Lawrence
Tuthill stating that the drainage is adequate for the amount of
road that he has constructed.
Vote of the Board: Ayes: - Messrs: Wickham, Moisa, Raynor,
Coyle, Grebe.
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Further discussion was held on the proposed subdivision
"Petty' s Bight" located -at NIS Main (State) Road, Orient, N.Y.
On motion by Mr. Wickham, seconded by Mr. Grebe, it was
RESOLVED that the Southold Town Planning Board authorize
Lawrence Tuthill, Town. Engineer, to do an estimate for a per-
formance bond for the proposed subdivision "Petty's Bight" ,
located at Orient, N.Y. , subject to the following conditions:
(1) Receipt of recommendations from Chas. Abrahams.
(2) Receipt of 'revised maps from Van Tuyl.
Vote of the Board: —Ayes: - Messrs: Wickham, Moisa, Raynor,
Coyle, Grebe.
Discussion was held on Minor Subdivision # 60 Serafino
Santini, . located at N/E corner of Westphalia Road & Howard
Avenue, Mattituck, N.Y. Henry Raynor submitted a letter
from Joseph Saland, Real Estate Broker stating that he has
a listing of 4-2acre lots on Westphalia Road and one-2acre
lot on Howard Avenue on property of Serafino Santini (MS # 60) .
On motion by Mr. Wickham, seconded by Mr. Grebe, it was
RESOLVED that the .Southold Town Planning Board send the
following letter to Mr. & Mrs. Ellenberger agents acting for
Serafino Santini with copy to Mr. Santini:
Mr. & Mrs. E. J. Ellenberger
6 Hill Court
Malba (Queens) , New York
Dear Mr. & Mrs. Ellenberger:
We have on file in our office a letter from a real estate
broker indicating that all of the lots in the minor subdivision
of Serafin6 Santini are on the market for sale.
You will recall that you told us that they were for your
heirs, and this is so shown 6n the Planning Board minutes of
August 16, 1971. It would appear to us that you obtained the
approval of this minor subdivision under false pretenses and
we are immediately cancelling approval of this minor subdivision
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and removing it from among our filed minor subdivisions and
notifying the Building Inspector that since this minor sub-
division was acquired under false pretenses, no building
permits shall be issued on any of these lots.
Yours truly,
cc- Serafino Santini John Wickham, Chairman
Southold Town Planning Board
Vote of the Board: Ayes: - Messrs: Wickham, Moisa, Raynor,
Coyle, Grebe.
The Planning Board inspected copy of letter sent to Supervisor
Martocchia by Howard Terry advising him that the Building Depart-
ment has received an application to build dwelling on the S/S of
New Suffolk Avenue, Cutchogue, N.Y. on land of Herbert Henry. This
property is the .meadow land which was partially filled prior to the
Wetlands Ordinance. The proposed dwelling will be within the area
partially filled. Mr. 'Ferry stated that he has held up the permit
pending stamped and signed approval for well & cesspools from- the
County Health Dept. Word has been received from Supervisor Mart-
occhia that he has spoken with Herb Davids of the Health Dept. who
agrees to stay in full touch with the Planning Board on this matter.
Chairman John Wickham was presented with copies of the
agreement between the Planning Board and Leeward Acres, Inc. ,
in regard to the performance bond for the construction of
roads and other improvements in the proposed subdivision-
"Leeward Acres at Bayview" . This document was executed on
the 19th day of March 1971, but was not signed by the Chairman.
The Chairman requested authorization to sign the agreement.
On motion by Mr. Moisa, seconded by Mr. Raynor, it was
RESOLVED that the Southold Town Planning Board authorize
Chairman John Wickham to sign the agreement between "Leeward
Acres, Inc. " and the Planning Board in regard to the performance
-bond for the subdivision "Leeward Acres at Bayview" , subject to
the approval of the Town Attorney.
Vote of the Board: Ayes: - Messrs: Wickham, Moisa, Raynor,
Coyle, Grebe. '
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The Planning Board reviewed the extension of the performance
bond on the subdivision "Willow Point". This performance bond was
extended by the Planning Board on June 16, 1971 for a period of
90 days. The bond is now in default. The Planning Board instructed
that notice be sent to the developer that the bond is now in default.
Chairman John Wickham requested authority to send letter to
the Soil & Water Conservation District to establish standards for
drainage.
On motion by Mr. Raynor, seconded by Mr. Moisa, it was
RESOLVED that the Southold Town Planning Board authorize
Chairman John Wickham to send a letter to the Soil & Water
Conservation District to establish standards for drainage.
Vote of the Board: Ayes: - Messrs: Wickham, Moisa, Raynor,
Coyle, Grebe.
On motion by Mr. Coyle, seconded by Mr. Raynor, it was
RESOLVED that the minutes of the Southold Town Planning
Board dated October 27, 1971 be approved as submitted.
Vote of the Board: Ayes: - Messrs: Wickham, Moisa, Raynor,
Coyle, Grebe.
On motion by Mr. Moisa, seconded by Mr. Grebe, it was
RESOLVED that the next regular meeting of the Southold Town
Planning Board be held at 7: 30 P.M. , Monday, December 20, 1971,
at the Town Office, Main Street, Southold, New York.
Vote of the Board: Ayes: - Messrs: Wickham, Moisa, Raynor,
Coyle, Grebe.
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The meeting was adjourned at 11: 20 P.M.
Respectfully submitted,
Betty eville, Secretary
Southold Town Planning Board
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John ickham, Chairman