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T Southold Town Planning Board
SOUTHOLD, L. I., N. Y.
PLANNING BOARD
MEMBERS
John Wickham, Chairman
Harold R. Reeve
Henry Moisa
Alfred Grebe
Archibald Young
M I N U T E S
Southold Town Planning Board
May 269 1959
A regular meeting of the Southold Town Planning
Board was held 7:30 P.M. , Tuesday9 May 26, 1959 at the
Town Clerks Office, Main Road9 Southold, New York.
There were present: Messrs. John Wickham, Chair-
man, Henry Moisa, Alfred Grebe9 and Archibald Young .
Absent: Mr. Harold R. lcebeve9 Sr.
Also Present: Mr. Howard M. Terry, Building
Inspector, Otto Van Tuyl, Consulting Engineer, and
Harold Price, Superintendent Town Highways.
In the matter of the petition of F. Rogers 1K,6tcham,
Shore Road, Halesite, Mr. Bruce MacDonald, Setauket,
Agent for Mr. Ketcham9 appeared before the Board. Mr.
MacDonald was advised that members of the Board had
visited the property and are familiar with it and would
like to have a general idea of what the future plans are.
Mr. MacDonald stated that there are 17 acres- in the
parcel and the proposal is to develop the water front
as a boat yard with motel units and cottages on the bluff.
The Board advised that it is felt the entire parcel is too
large to be completely zoned "B" Business and would be only
willing to consider that portion that would be used as the
boat yard itself. After -much discussion and consideration
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the Planning Board advised Mr. MacDonald that before they
would consider the matter further they would like to see blue
prints or a detailed sketch covering the exact plans for the
area desired. It is possible that a strip beginning at a point
200 feet from Mill Road down,approximately 200 feet in depth
would be the solution. Mr. MacDonald stated that he would
consult with Mr. Ketcham and endeavor to have such plan by
the next Planning Board meeting in June.
Mr. Ralph Reed, member of the Southold Realy Corporation,
Cedar Beach, Southold, appeared before the Planning Board with
a revised preliminary plan for the development of property at
Cedar Beach. After considerable discussion Mr. Reed advised
he would think seriously about. applying for a subdivision in
the near future and complete his plans for the proposed sub-
division.
The Planning Board visited the property of Hilton Epp,
a proposed subidivision to be known as Hilton Heights, before
the opening of this meeting. After considerable discussion
pertaining to their visit, on motion of Mr. Moisa, seconded by
Mr. Grebe and unanimously carried, it was
RESOLVED that a letter be forwared to Mr. Epp suggesting
that he realign Hilton Road so that it is nearly st aight on
the westerly end. Mr. Van Tuyl, who spoke for Mr. ipp at the
last Planning Board meeting, stated that he would contact Mr.
Epp in the same respect.
The minutes of the Southold Town P1em ning Board meeting
of May 11, 1959, on motion of Mr. Grebe, seconded by Mr. Young
and unanimously carried, were approved as read.
A brief discussion was held relative to identification
cards for the Planning Board. Mr. Howard Terry produced the
identification case but stated the cards had not .been received
as yet.
A communication from the Suffolk County Planning Board
dated May 18, 1959, was received and read. This letter
acknowledged receipt of the Planning Board of Southold Townts
letter of May 13th with relation to Fishers Island. It was -
requested that if there is a map, survey or outline in
existence pertaining to this particular piece of property
that the Suffolk County Planning Board be advised. Mr. Grebe
stated that he has maps available on Fishers Island and will
forward same to the Southold Town Planning Board for transmittal
to the County. A letter to this effect was forwarded to the
County.
A notice was received from the Southold Town Board,effective
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May 281 .1959 indicating that at Public Hearing by the
Town Board on May 5, 1?59 the petition of Thomas and Oscar
Molin was granted for a change of zone from "A" Residential
and Agricultural to "M" Multiple Residence.
A letter from the Suffolk County Department of Health,
Philip J. Rafle, M.D. , Commissioner of Health' by H. W. Davids ,
P.E. , Director of Enviromental Sanitation, was received and
read. This letter had reference to development of marsh and
meadow lands. After discussion it was moved by Mr. Grebe,
seconded by Mr. Young, and unanimously carried that the
Planning Board write Mr. Davids inviting a qualified member
of his organization to be present at the next meeting of
the Planning Board to discuss the particular problems in-
volved in water supply, sewage disposal, etc. on filled
land as referred to in his letter.
Correspondence from M. E. Goul, District Engineer,
Department of Public Works, was received and read. This
letter had reference to the Planning Board 's letter of
April 29, 1959 inquiring as to current planning concerning
Middle Road, Route 27A (County) . It was advised that they
do not have plans or proposals for the improvement of this
route, or the construction of an expressway throught this
area. It was stated that Mr. Goul shall make every effort
to provide the Planning Board with information concerning
any planning as rapidly as possible.
A communication was received from Edwards, Froehlich
and McDonough, attorneys for Woodhollow Properties, Inc.
acknowledging receipt of the Planning Board's letter of
Apri116, 19590' Their letter stated that it is felt the
Planning Board's requirements to set up access to the water
is unreasonable. They also stated with reference to the
question of the permit, that it is their understanding that
this was, or is to be, taken care of by the surveyor. (Mr.
Van Tuyl stated that he is at the present time obtaining
forms and information in this regard, and stated Mr. Uhl
will be in this area in the near future to discuss Section
P• )
After a lengthy discussion it was decided that a letter
should be forwarded to Mr. Robert Taslr_r, Town Attorney, with
a copy of the letter from Woodhollowts attorneys , stating that
we are in receipt of this letter questinning the right of the
Planning Board to withhold approval of subdivisions and in
particular the Planning Board 's insistence that subdivisions
meet the requirements of the Town Board with regard to access
to salt water.
The petition of Robert H. Preston and LaGrant Chapman,
both of Greenport, was received petitioning for a change of
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zone from "A" Residential and Agricultural to "B" Business
district certain real property situated near Greenport, in
the Town of Southold, Suffolk County, New York, and more
particularly bounded and described as follows: Beginning
at a point on the westerly line of Manhanset Avenue, 585.06
feet southerly along said line from Champlin Place; and run-
ning South 21 degrees 18 minutes 10 seconds West 526.0 feet;
thence South 33 degrees 04 minutes 10 seconds East 153.78 feet;
thence South 40 degrees 18 minutes West 75.9 feet, to the boundary
line of the incorporated Village of Greenport; thence along said
loundary line, north 54 degrees 33 minutes 50 seconds west 230
feet, more or less, to ordinary high water mark of Sterling Basin;
thence northeasterly along said high water mark, about 850 feet,
more or less , to the westerly line of Manhanset Avenue; thence
southerly along said westerly lire of Manhanset Avenue , 300 feet,
more or less, to the point or place of beginning ; it is hereby
RESOLVED that the Planning Board recommend to the Town Board
this change from "All Residential and Agricultural to "B" Business
District property described on map of Otto W. Van Tuyl & Son dated
May 21, 1957 and revised to March 12, 1959•
The Planning Board is familiar with the area and feel that
it is necessary that the water front property of the Town be
developed in this manner.
The matter of the petition of Dante A. Lorti, 70 Grand
Avenue, Engelwood, New Jersey, petitioning for a change of zorje
from "A" Residential and Agricultural to "B" Business, district
certain real property situated at New Suffolk and bounded north
by land of R. Walty, east by Second Street, south by Main Street
and west by land of Lech manski.
It was decided that a letter should be forwarded to the
petitioner stating that the petition has 'been presented to the
Town Board and they feel that before considering the application
they wish to know the feelings of the adjoining property owners
relative to rezoning the balance of the block from I'A" Agricultural
and Residential to "B" Business.
The matter of amendments to the Building Zore Ordinance
was ordered held over to the next PlanningBoard meeting, await-
ing word from the Town Attorney and the Town Board.
Mr. Wickham advised the members of' the Board that Judge
Ralph Tuthill had suggested Jack Roae as a possible replacement
for Mr: Harold R. Reeve, Sr. whose resignation becomes effective
June 1, 1959. After considerable discussion it was the opinion
of the Board that a letter should be forwarded to Judge Tuthill
stating that the Town Planning Board feels Mr. Rose is entirely
qualified to fill the post vacated by Mr. Reeve, and would be
happy to havehim as a member of the Planning Board
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The next meeting of the Southold Town Planning Board
will be held at 7:30 P.M. , Monday, June 8, 1959 at the Town
Clerk's Office, Main Road, Southold, New York.
Meeting adj oruned at 10:40 P.M.
Respectfully submitted,
Judith T. Boken
Secretary
)John Wickham Chairman