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HomeMy WebLinkAboutPB-09/11/1959-JOINT %c�FFOCirr��G o Southold , Town Planning Board S O UTH O LD, L. I., N. Y. PLANNING BOARD MEMBERS John Wickham, Chairman M i n u t e s 1 la old R. Reeve- Henry Moisa Alfred Grebe Joint Meeting Archibald Young Southold Town Board William Unkelbach Southold Town Board of Appeals Southold Town Planning Board September 11, 1959 11joint meeting of the Southold Town Board, Southold Town Board of Appeals and Southold Town Planning Board was held at 7:30 P.M., Friday, September 11, 1959, at the Town Clerkts Office., Main Road, Southold, New York. Town Board Members Present: Supervisor Norman E. Klipp, Justice Ralph Tuthill, Justice E. Perry Edwards , Councilman Louis Demarest. Board of Appeals Members Present: Chairman Robert W. Gillispie, Jr. , and Herbert Rosenberg. Planning Board Members Present: Chairman John Wickham, Henry Moisa, Alfred Grebe, Archibald Young, and William Uhkelbach. Also Presents Town Attorney Robert W. Tasker, Building Inspector,Howard M. Terry, and. Consulting Engineer Otto W. Van Tuyl. , The proposed ordinance for the regulating and licensing of the excavation and removal of sand, gravel, stone, sod, or other minerals or removal of top soil, gs prepared by Robert W. Tasker, Town Attorney, was discussed and revised. Final draft is to be prepared by Mr. Tasker as per suggestions and corrections made in the original draft and to be submitted to the Town Board as soon as it is in final form. Meeting adjourned at 11:55 P.M. Public Hearing - Southold. Town P;Ahning Board -2�- Augus t 26., 1959 about Zoning. If we' have more .restrictions, before long you will 'be making it an expensive operation and we will. need- high legal counsel before .being able, ,to do anything. Are we tying ourselves down too. much? CHAIRMAN: I think -the rest' of theBoard`vwill' agree that a good many of the changes we' mad-e, in, the regulations, were, restric- tions or .laws .or regulations.-based upon experiences of other "Towns. having had zoning..and we had copies, from other towns . We were guided by' different things we:, found we might .tun. into trouble with. We ,have tried not to 'make too many mistakes and have gone by mistakes others have made. In going over. these Rules .and Regulations .in another five years..you may see a lot.of things that should be ,changed and tightened up then. MR'.' SMITH: At the . time :Zoning was first discussed and when the Zoning Board was appointed, .everyone was told. we would ,not - need .a complicated. Ordinance, just a _ simple Ordinance.. . However that is not what .we got.: One thing. leads to another. We are .tying ourselvesup. We are in the building and.. real e-'state -business' and especially this summer„we have, had more ,and more .people inquir- ing for places ,to retiree They. say.', . "We love Long Island' but. we are unable to live here .because. of the •price' of property ,and good land9 and taxes i11 and those -people have 'gone Upstate to live - instead of here. -, -I can see .you want to get this so that we would get a good 'class of people here. CHAIRMAN I do not .think we are .going to make things- so tough we are going to drive, people away. MR. UNKELBACH You wi 7.1 ,.f ind that a code of this type As i.s the sort that will help. It will keep the "fly-by-nights" out. , MR.' SMITH: Even a building code will, not stop that. They wil do a shoddy .job but abide by the building code. They even . build f or' F.H.A. The problem is getting ..the cost' of our property so high werwill not get .the. type .of people we like, people 'who are figuring. 'on retiring: The cost of, a, subdivision, buy the time everything is, taken care of it ,runs the cost up terti:fically ,, and if there..,are going to be. too 'many, cif the additional restric- tions put or_ Ddo not know what. the people -will- do. L MR.HOWARD TERRY: Every year .the Totm.Board gets complaints from 'developnentsthat have, private. roads that are impassable, , the people are snowed in and .cannot get <in ,by snow. ploT:rs, the roads were all broken up, There, was some 'talk.'of specifying in the Rules and Regutati'ons all'' ather roads. "Public Hearing" Southold Town Planning Board August- 267 1959 MR. TASTER:. I thought":of this.,as having to do with fore- " thought, ' because if you do aiot impose the .restrictions and, reg4 ulations, .at the time one of ' the--subdivisions are being developed it means these- property owners will be" given a false illusion. You are deluding them into the thought that this is all there is going to be* ' After the roads break dorm, ,the cost is higher to .fix them than it would have been if .it 'were done right in the beginning., Actually .it. i_s for "the .protection. of the "developer®' MR® SMITH's I see that point MRa, TASKMR: The Planning Board has experienced' many. situations where the area has been developed .poorly and" after it is developed " and everything is not right, then ,they .come ..to the Planning Board and, blame the Planning Board. CHAIRMAN: Some are 'requirements of the -State. Somethings are dictated to ws by the County and State., ' NR . . SMITH: As". to the ,requirements of roads. Have ..private roads that 'have to .be made a certain way and have Town roads "a " certain. way. Would it be just..as. well .if you are going to require the ' roads be built that way, " that you require that ne�tir roads V�Tould have to be turned over to the Town? CHAIRMAN: We are, only laying do-vm :the'."speci"ficat16ns that. the Highway Department..will demand." They are 'set up as a guide. Those are-specifications that .will have to" "be ' met if they" do have the 'roads, dedicated® We- are not" telling. the subdivider to put these roads in, he" has to in ..order to have .them taken over by "the' Town.. MR� TERRY: We have 'had an engineer from the Health Depart- . . meet here who" explained "the latest rules and. regulations From "the County -bef ore this was _ taken up and put "on paper* (Discussion of water supply "and sewage disposal was held.) . IAR. JOHN WICK iAMu The highway specifications which we are using were -effective _ June "ls:t' 1956, and were put into effect' by the Tolm Boards. Our original. rules and regulations were amended first on. April 8, 1958, and -had" been effective July 147 1955. . I. have to, admit a slight hardship to ,omners of developments to re- quire that highways be oiled and surfaced, but 'we. have tried at every step to be reasonable and to take steps that we felt very definitely constructive, and we ar.e" not too anxious to add any , - more restrictions than. there are. MR. 'SMITH: . You can heat dowxm restrictions on land but "are