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Southold Town Planning Board
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PLANNING BOARD
MEMBERS
John Wickham, Chairman
Henry Moisa
Alfred Grebe
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M IN U T E S
SOUTHOLD TOWN PLANNING BOARD
February 4. 1970
A regular meeting of the Southold Town Planning Board was
held at 7:30 P.M.',,, Wednesday$ February 4,t '1970, at the Town Officer,
Main Roadr. Southoldr_ New York.
There were present: Messrs: John' Wickhamr Chairman, Henry Moisar.
Vice° Chairman; Henry- Raynor; Frank Coyle.
Absent: Mr, Alfred Grebe
Also present: Howard Terryr Building Inspector; Lawrence Tuthill]
bond estimates,r consultation.
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,. Southold Town Planr, a Board --2- February 4r, 1970
Richard Larks, Esq. appeared before the Planning Board to request
that a performance bond in the amount of $65,,,:000, be recommended to
the Southold Town Board for the completion of roads and other .improve-
ments in the subdivision to be known as "Laurel Country. Estatesr. Inc. "
located at north side .of Peconic Bay B1vd.,O. Laurels; New York. The
Board was presented with the two following signed and executed contracts:
Paul Corrazini & Sons - roads - $17,,,,350.; Riverhead Cement Block Co,,
Inc. -- curbs, ; drainage;, etc. - $36,230. These two combined give a
figure of $53-580s plus a 20/ administrative and increase cost of
$10,,716, the grand total being $64i296.
On motion by Mr. Raynor, seconded by Mr. Moisa it was
RESOLVED that the Southold Town Planning Board recommend to the
Southold Town Board a performance bond in the amount of $65:*000. for
the completion of roads and other improvements in the subdivision to
be known as "Laurel Country Estates, Inc. ", . located off north side
of Peconic Bay Blvd., Laurelz New York.
Vote of the Board: Ayes:- Messrs: Wickhamj, Maisa,m Raynor-i Coyle.
On motion by Mr. Wickham,,. seconded by Mr. Raynor j. it was
RESOLVED that the Southold Town -Planning Board set the date
for final hearing on proposed subdivision. "Laurel Country Estatesr,
Inc. " as the first meeting -in March.
Vote of the Board: Ayes:- Messrs: Wickham, Moisap.. Raynor.. Coyle,
in reference to "Wheatfield Parke. proposed subdivision located
at Griffing Street,.., Cutchoguec.. New Yorke, Mr. Lark . informed the
Board that the Board of Health has given their approdal. The Chairman
suggested recommending bond as per Larry Tuthill®s estimate and
setting it up for hearing. Mr. Lark requested that the Board post-
pone any action at this time to enable him to secure contracts to
present at the next meeting of the Planning Board to be held on
February 25th. Mr. Lark said that he will either f;resent contracts
for the work at the next meeting or he will go along with Larry
Tuthillts bond estimate in the amount of $67r;000.
On motion by Mr. Wickham... seconded by Mr. Moisas. it was
RESOLVED that the Southold Town Planning Board set the date
for the hearing on proposed subdivision "Wheatfield Park" as the
first meeting in March.
Vote of the Board: Ayes:-- Messrs:- Wickham, Moisaa. Raynor* Coyle.
f Southold Town Plan;; ,g Board -3- February 4.1, 1970
RESOLVED that the' Southold Town' Planning Board set the date
for final hearing on .proposed subdivision "Wheatfield Park" as
the first- meeting -in March.
Vote of the Board: Ayes:- Messrs: Wickhamz, Moisa,: Raynor,, Coyle,
In reference to "Bennettl`s' Pond.",,. recommendation. of bond .in
the amount of -$15,000. to be presented to Town Board for their
acceptance, . Mr. Lark-has not secured the Board .of Health Approval.
As soon as the bond is accepted by'the Town Board .and Health Dept,
Approval .is received this subdivision will be set up for final
hearing.' '
"Proposed subdivisions "Mattituck Hills" and"Mattituck Ridge"
have not received approval from the Health Dept,,,, there seems to
be a nitrate problem.
On motion by Mr. Wickham-& seconded by Mr. Coyle, it was
RESOLVED that the Southold Town Planning Board grant final
approval to the minor subdivision of Casbor,; Inc..,; located at
Middle Road (CR27) and Westphalia Road; Mattituck*r N:Y ', subject
to receiving fee of $50.00. , 'three (3) copies -of ..final maps: and
Health Dept. approval.
This motion shall include authorization for the Chairman- to
sign map when fee,,, final mapsa. and. Health Dept® Approval are received.
Vote of the Board: Ayes-.- Messrs: Wickhama, Moisa, Raynor,. Coyle,
in regard to minor subdivision of Jenny' Lesteri located at
NIS Westphalia Road, Mattituck,,,,,. N:Yo, final approval has been
previously granted subject to receiving fee of $30,:�,. final maps,,
and Health Dept, approval. The recent death of the applicant
has delayed action on this. It must now be legally processed
through the administrator' of the estate,
on motion by Mr. Wickham,; seconded by Mr'. Coyle,,, it- was
"RESOLVED that this meeting be recessedv. to be continued across
the street at .the Presbyterian' Church immediately thereafter.
Vote of the Board: Ayes: Messrs: Wickham,, Moisa�, Raynor: Coyle.
Southold Town Plann,' -1 Board -4- February 4, 1970
THE CHAIRMAN: I hereby reconvene this February 4th meeting
of the' Planning Board. I would like to welcome everyone present.
I would also like, to make it clear that- this is a Planning Board
meetingsi- onlyj, it is not a public hearing. All .of our' Planning
Board meetings are open to the public. We wish every time we had
a consideration of a change of zone or' a subdivision application
we- could have a turn out 'like this..; we all could learn something.
The' Chairman introduced the members of the Planning Board.
THE CHAIRMAN: The' Planning Board is a part time job. We
ordinarily meet once a month,$' sometimes twice. Additional meetings
are held for- Town matters which concern us.
Tonight- we have a consideration of a change of zone, The
applicant has petitioned the Town Board and the Town Board has
referred it to the Planning -Board to ascertain the .conditions
and facts and make a recommendation. Our job is to ascertain
the facts and conditions. Before we get through the Planning
Board will reach a decision whether to recommend it to the Town
Board or not to recommend it to the- Town Board..; or to recommend
some parts and not others. As I have said before this is not a
hearing. The usual procedure for a hearing is to take the
opposition first. First I will read the petition for this "dhange-
of- zonez. then we will hear anyone wishing to speak. in favor,. and
then the opposition. I will ask you to be factual. We are
interested .in. facts only.., not numbers. Basically a.f one person
says something' and no one objects* I will assume that everyone,
agrees. Your petitions and opposition should be directed to the
Town Board. We only make a recommendation to them and then they
hold the hearing_ . We have no jurisdiction. Our responsibility
is to ascertain the conditions and facts of the application. We
are going to put pads and' pencils at the entrance.,: upon leaving
we would like everyone to sign their names.
The' Chairman read letter of referral addressed to the Planning
Board from the Town Board_.. application for change of zone,; and
reason for request.
Richard Cron.. Attorney for George Semerjianr presented the
audience with an-'artistr'•s rendering of the proposed lay-out and
operation.
RICHARD -CRON,,' ESQ : Chairman_.; members of the .Planning Boards
and interested citizens of the Town of- Southold..; I appear on
behalf of my client George• Semerj ian. I think it ig' important
before' we get into the merits of' this application_. .t. o go into
the concept of what is being set forth here. I thank it 'is
.urgent and important for..the- Town. Board..;. the- Planning Board...
and all the people of the Town of- Southold to determine if the
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the concept we, have here is in- harmony with the Town, of= Southold.
The Town of Southold .does not care to have any obnoxious industry.
We try. to have tourist trade.z, it is .our belief that- what we are
presenting is not contrary to this. We believe it• is in accord
with the Townzs policy. I have heard and I know it- must be true
that there' a lot- of,-wild rumors going around. a I -am convinced
that the application which has been made is done so in• good faith.
I as a person believe it will be done. If what we propose 'is not
in accord with the Town of-Southold we should cease - it-right- now,
If anyone feels that this is not in the best- interest of the, Towns.
if 'there is anyone-who thinks that-we should not go any further,
with this applications, tell me now and I will stop right here?
THE CHAIRMAN: The development of our.' water front -is- very
important. Our,' Master Plan study proved that -most of our" summer
residents. are here because of- the rural nature and the-waterfront.
We seem to be satisfied to have tourists as our industry. "The
Planning Borrd .is interested in hearing the .facts of this application.
Our job is to ascertain the conditions and facts. I would like to
say again that this, is not a public haaring.
RICHARD CROUO,- ESQ:: If I may continue. I think it .is important
that we. look at the entire,'sttuation. Looking 'at the zone use comprising
the- entire 132 acre parcel -as it - is presently zoned,, we have 27 acres
zoned "C" :(which was formerly used for' a sand pit. operation-) 9 2 acres
zoned "B"s 10 acres zoned "M" and the balance of the property 852
acres zoned- "A"s so there are .now 4. different--zone uses. The most
distasteful to you- would be the '"C" zone. - We propose to re-zone
it as follows: 36 .acres, "M",v; 32 .acres, "B".s, 64' acres "A". of the
36 acres of "M" approximately 10'. acres are already zoned ':M":. We
think-that-we are making -this particular-parcel a lot better than
it now exists. We are taking away the "C" zone and making , it"A"
There is a greater degree of control over' "B" &. "M" zones than- could
be imposed on the present- "C" zone.
Question: Where are the jetties going to be?
Mr. Cron explained the lay-out of -the- operation on his
drawing.
MR. CRON: It is my belief that the applicants will do--exactly
as they say. The Town of Southold is not. going to stay the, way it
is right now.. Nobody is going to stop the influx= of people into
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this Town. Our greatCst tax base is summer residents. Inflation .
is here to stay. Residential property cannwt support the Town in
the future. Our neighboring communities are welcoming industry of
all types into their area. I think there is going to be, a school
tax problem in. the future. We have to have something to give the
Town a wider tax base. This proposal should not be down-graded
.just because you don3t like the person making the application.
To prove that Mr. Semerjian is a human being'.and not a monsters,
I .would like to introduce him to you.
Mr. George' Semerjian presented himself .very briefly before the
audience.
THE CHAIRMAN: The' Planning Board feels that we don'tt need
commerical industry. The fishing stations bring out quite, a lot
of peoples; our industry is the tourist trade, What did you refer
to when you said that- the .residential tax base cannot support us?
RR ' CRON: Many people are moving into this area . the Town of
Southold is growing in population. The school tax is golr,)g to be
very large, We must have something to equalize, this. This project
will help even it out.
The' Chairman stated that about 2/3 of the land in Riverhead
Town is zoned for industrial use. He predicted that- Riverhead
Town will become an industrial center,, and Southold 'Town and other
neighboring towns .will be bedrooms for Riverhead Town. They will
collect all the industrial taxes and the neighboring towns will be
heavily taxed for residential. The Chairman agreed .that something
should be added to our- tax baser' something that will not be .obnoxious
to the, Town. 'He stated that the above condition .now. exists in the
neighboring towns of Hartford: Connecticut.,r.: which is an industrial
town.
Wm. Schrieverr, Oriente,: I buy the concept'`of it. I think we
have to do something like this. I agree with the petitions we need
the tax base. I think it is a� good location. The golf course,t. the
restaruantsr: the shopsr; etc.. will be desirable. The only thing that
bothers me is the .marina. We .have 2 examples of the undesirability
of marinas in the Towns, at Plum IslangVand Mattituck. To build a
manna in the sound would be costly and .very hard' to keep open.
Question: How many units would this motel--complex contain?
MR CRON: 6 units=, 100 apartments in each.
The' Chairman questioned Mr. Terryr: the Building Inspector.. if
this: density would be allowed under the Zoning Ordinance.
Mr. Terry stated that this number of units: would be allowed
in transient occupancy only.
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Question: How long will it take to. complete the construction?
Mr. Cron said that- this question could not be answered at this
time.
THE CHAIRMAN: I will now open this meeting to anyone wishing
to speak in opposition.
Jamesr. Vaughnr. Attorney appeared before .the Board on behalf
of East- Marion property owners.. who live near or have property in
the vicinity of the subject property.
The petitioners believe that this proposal is not in the public
interest. There is no time table for- developments, the map is not
- complete... nothing is backed up by engineers reports.
it will be an over burdening of ,,the East- Marion water' supply.
It will cause salt- water intrusion r. to the fresh water supply., it
will cause erosion to the east of the pmpased jetties and a general
change in the ecology of the area.
Mr. Vaughn read letter of opposition to the proposal from Dr.
Robt. Cushman Murphy of the Museum of Natural History,
Julius Schubert P.E. plans to represent- some of the Southold .
Town residents. He stated that he would testify on the effect of
jetties extending into the Sound as soon as the applicant comes
forward with engineers plans.
John Flynnr; Engineer for the Health Dept. stated that the
Health Dept, is concerned with water use and waste disposal, and
the effects of water- use on the water supply of an area. He
discussed the effects such an operation would have on sewerage
disposal and water supply. The most detrimental would be the
effect on the water supply. Mr. Flynn read a section out of
the Malcolm & Pirnie Water Report explaining the effect. dredging
wolld haveon the water supply. ,. He explained the damagg the
Jamesport operation has done to the water supply. He warned
that any change in the amount of re-charge and storage of water
can be critical to the area.
James Monsell.., Village of Greenport. The Village of Greenport
operates a water utility and an electrical supply,: which serves
over 1/3 of the population of the Town ok Southold. He stressed
the fact that the water supply on the Town of Southold is critical.
Previous dredging in the Gull Pond area had raised the chloride
content of the water. If the proposed dredging in the application
were, carried out... it would cause salt water intrusion. - There are
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10 public water supply wells from Greenport to East Marion which
would be adversly affected.
Mrs. Mary Bradyt, Mattituck - owns property on the sound bluff
not too far east of' Levon Properties operation in Jamesport. Mrs.
Brady referred to the application. made by Mr. Semerjian to the
Riverhead Town Board in which he stated that th:e project would not
be offending to adjacent property owners. She cited the problems
they are having in regard to erosion and pollution caused by' Levon
Prop. After numerous personal attacks on the applicant (of which
the Chairman forewarned her) the Chairman asked Mrs. Brady to sit
down.
The Chairman read letter of opposition from Jos. Boken* Sr.
the adjoining property owner to the south & east of the proposed
operation. Said letter� was. placed on file.
The Chairman informed the people that any permit to dredge
inland would have to be obtained from the Planning Board and a
mining permit .from the Town Board,
Dominic Aurichio,,p, Attorney a/c George & Irving Newman.. Petty's
Bite,, Orient, Mr. Aurichio- cited his. clients opposition to this
proposed change of zone, The Newmans own about 20. acres of land in
Orient with about. 900 feet of waterfront on the sound.
The League of Women Voters presented a list of 7 questions
which they 'felt should be answered before any consideration should
be ,made -on this change of zone, Said list was placed on files. to
be answered later by Planning Board or Town Board at the public
hearing.
Wm. Schriever spoke in opposition to the marina again. - He
suggested '.that- it be eliminated from the application.
Edward Kajeski�: spokesman for the Southold Town Baymens Assoc.
spoke in opposition to the. petition. Letter received from the
' Assoc. stating their objections is on file.
Bob Rothman' and others questioned the applicant's intent
and schedule for development.
On motion by' Mr. Wickham Seconded By- Mr Moisa.j,, it- was
RESOLVED that the Southold Town Planning Board table recommendation
on this proposed change of' zone for further deliberation- of the Board:
Vote of the Board-.. Ayes:" Messrs. Wickham. Moisaz; Raynor, Coyle.
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The meeting. was recessed at the church at 9:30' k.M•,,t, continued
immediately thereafter at the' Town Office. .
Letter received from Mrs. Stephen Mutkowski in regard to
Semerjian change of zone application. Said letter placed on file.
Letter received from 'the North Fork Tax Payers Associations,.
.inviting the Planning Board to be guest speakers at their meeting
to be held at 8: 00 P.M:,�, March 18i: 1970.; at the, Southold High
School. Letter of' acceptance to be sent to them.
A meeting of the Planning Board' Board of Appeals., and Town
Board will be held at 7:30 P M ; ' March 10', 197.0, at the Supervisorts
Office'.. Greenport. Amendments- to the Zoning Ordinance will be
discussed.
Supervisor Martocchia and John Wickham to attend the hearing
of the Army Engineers RE: Levon Properties operation at- Jamesports;
to be held at 7:30 P M.:',. February 134, 1970.i at the Roanoke Avenue
School." Riverhead', New York.
Letter received from"Laurel Resources' Corp. " in regard to
the notice of violation which we sent'` on the permit they obtained
from the Town Trustees for dredging. Letter to be .sent to them
advising that they cease work immediately and consider ..replacing
the land in its original condition.
Letter and copy of receipt for payment of renewal of bond
coverage for "Willow Point" subdivision received from Bleeker
Construction' Coo,..,, Inc.
Letter and copy of receipt for payment of renewal of bond
coverage for' "Blue Horizons', Sec. I" subdivision received from
Sam Raskin-, Esq. a/c' CPeF� Land Corp.
Letter received from Dawn Estates Builders' Corp. stating
that they have no intention of renewing their bond coverage for
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"Cleaves Point..; Sec. III" Letter to be sent 'informing them that
we are• notifying our• Town Attorney that they are in default and
instructing the Building Inspector not to issue any permits on
their holdings .until they have fulfilled the requirements of the
Planning Board.
On motion by Mr. Wickham..; seconded by' Mr. Raynor;..: it was
RESOLVED that Book" II of the Master Plant, compiled by" Raymond
& May Associates,..,, be placed in all public libraries in the Town.
Vote of the' Board: Ayes:.- Messrs: Wickham..: Moisa.., Raynor..; Coyle.
Letter of" January 2-31, 1970 which we sent to Malcolm Pirnie
Engineers in reference to' Levon Properties operation at Jamesport...,
.west of our' Town line...., was read.
Larry Tuthill P.'E presented the Board with a bond estimate
in the amount of- $116,a;000.00 for the. completion of roads and other
improvements in the subdivision to be -known as "Leeward Acres".
On motion by' Mr. Coyle,,.,, seconded by Mr. Raynor.., it was
RESOLVED that the- Southold Town' Planning Board recommend to
the Southold Town Board a performance bond in the amount of $116z,000.00
as prepared by' Lawrence Tuthill..., Construction Engineer:.., for the
completion-of roads and other improvements in the subdivision to
be, known as: "Leeward Acres" located at Bayview- > Southoldr, New York.
vote of the Board: Ayes Messrs: Wickham..; Moisa;_. Raynor.., Coyle.
Received recommendation .from Larry' Tuthill in 'reference to
' proposed subdivision to be known as "Mattituck, Hills" located off
north side of Bergen' Ave...: Mattituck.., N:Y.- Letter and copy of.
this recommendation to be sent to Alden Young advising him that his
ideas on this subdivision are not the same as• Larry Tuthill's .
recommendation.
On motion by Mr. Raynor:z; seconded by Mr. Moisa.., it was
Southold Town Plann; Board -il- February 4i, 1970
RESOLVED that the minutes of the Southold Town Planning Board
dated January 12,a, 1970r: be approved as submittedo
Vote of the, Board: Ayes:- Messrs: Wickhama, Moisat Raynor:: Coyle.
On motion by Mrs Moisat 'seconded by Mr. Wickham.. it was
RESOLVED that the next regular meeting of- .the Southold Town
Planning Board be held at 7:30 PsMel. Wednesday,,, February 25.2; 1970s;
at the Town. Officer, Main Roadi Southolds, New Yorke
Vote of the Board: Ayes:-- Messrs: Wickham.,, Moisat: Raynor,,,, Coyle.
The meeting was adjourned at 10:15 P Mo
Respectfully submittedo:
Betty/eviller; Secretary
Southold Town Planning Board
hn Wickhamr. Chairman