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Southold, N.Y. 11971
HENRY E.RAYNOR,Jr.,Chairman TELEPHONE
JAMES WALL 765-1938
BENNETT ORLOWSKI,Jr.
GEORGE RITCHIE LATHAM,Jr.
WILLIAM F.MULLEN,Jr.
A regular meeting of the Southold Town Planning Board was held 7 :30
p.m. , Monday, April 18 , 1983 at the Town Hall, Main Road, Southold,
New York. Present were:
Chairman Henry E. Raynor, Jr.
Member William F. Mullen, Jr.
Member G. Ritchie Latham, Jr:
Member Bennett Orlowski, Jr.
Building Administrator Victor Lessard
7 :30 p.m. Public Hearing on the question of the approval of the minor
subdivision of John & Olivia Fellinger-Ihar, located at Cutchogue.
On motion made by Mr. Mullen, seconded by Mr. . Latham, .it was
RESOLVED that the Southold Town Planning Board dispense with the read-
ing of the metes and bounds description for the property of John &
Olivia Fellinger-Ihar, located at Cutchogue.
Vote of the Board: Ayes : Raynor, Latham, Mullen, Orlowski
Mr. Raynor presented proof of publication in the Suffolk Weekly Times
and the Long Island Traveler-Watchman.
Mr. Raynor: We will proceed and review the file. This is a minor four
lot subdivision located in Cutchogue on Duck Pond Road and we have a
receipt from- the Town Clerk for the filing fee . On review of the file,
resolution setting tonight for Public Hearing on the question of ap-
proval of the minor subdivision. Legal notice, notice of hearing,
copies from this office to the Suffolk County Planning Commission,
correspondence to the applicant, resolution under the State Environmen-
tal Quality Review Act declaring this Board as the lead agency under
that state legislation, approving a sketch plan which was dated Novem-
ber 23 , 1982 . Correspondence from the Town Attorney' s Office with re-
gard to this subdivision. Correspondence from the applicant. As is
the procedure with this' hearing, we will ask if there is anyone present
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this evening who would like to speak in' objection to this proposed
minor subdivision of John & Olivia Fellinger-Ihar? (Negative)
Hearing none, is there anyone present this evening who would like to
speak in favor of this proposed minor subdivision? (Negative) Hearing
none, is there anyone present this evening that has some information
with regard to this proposed four lot minor that should come before
this Board at this time to aid us in making a determination at a later
date? (Negative) Hearing none, comments and questions from the Board
members? Mr. Latham? (Negative) Mr. Orlowski? (Negative) Mr.
Mullen? (Negative) Alright there being no questions of the Board then
we will deem this hearing closed and proceed with the business at hand.
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On motion made by Mr. Orlowski, seconded by Mr. Latham, it was
RESOLVED that the Southold Town Planning Board approve the minutes of
the regular meeting of the Planning Board held March 7 , 1983 .
Vote of the Board: Ayes : Raynor, Latham, Mullen, Orlowski
On motion made by Mr. Mullen, seconded by Mr. Latham, it was
RESOLVED that the Southold Town Planning Board approve the minutes of
the special meeting of the Planning Board held March 10, 1983 .
Vote of the Board: Ayes : Raynor, Latham, Mullen, Orlowski
On motion made by Mr. Latham, seconded by Mr. Orlowski, it was
RESOLVED that the Southold Town Planning Board approve the minutes of
the regular meeting of the Planning Board held March 28 , 1983 ..
Vote of the Board: Ayes : Raynor, Latham, Mullen, Orlowski
On motion made. by Mr. Mullen, seconded by Mr. Orlowski, it was
RESOLVED that the Southold Town Planning Board approve the minutes of
the special meeting of the Planning Board held March 31 , 1983 .
Vote of the Board: Ayes : Raynor, Latham, Mullen, Orlowski
On motion made by Mr. Orlowski, seconded by Mr. Latham, it was
RESOLVED to set 7 :30 p.m. , Monday, May 16 , 1983 at the Town Hall, Main
Road, Southold, New York as the time and place for the next regular
meeting of the Southold Town Planning Board.
Vote of the Board: Ayes : Raynor, Latham, Mullen, Orlowski
pg. (3) 4/18/83
On motion made by Mr. Latham, seconded by Mr. Orlowski, it was
RESOLVED that the Southold Town Planning Board accept as submitted
Inspector John Davis ' report ##284 for the improvements to the .-right-
of-way within the subdivision of Moebius Associates , Section II,
located at Cutchogue.
Vote of the Board: Ayes : Raynor, Latham, Mullen,, Orlowski
-•Highpoint at East Marion, Section I - The Planning Board will request
that Mr. Randall Woodard, P.E. and Mr. Warren Matthesen, P.E. to con-
tact the Planning Board regarding their credentials so that the Board
can make a determination regarding final recommendations and the amount
of a performance bond estimate for this property.
7 :45 p.m. Public Hearing on .the question of the approval of the final
map of the major subdivision to be known as Golden View Estates , lo-
cated at Laurel .
On motion made by Mr. Mullen, seconded by Mr. Latham, it was
RESOLVED that the Southold Town Planning Board dispense with the read-
ing of the metes and bounds description for the major subdivision to
be known as Golden View Estates , located at Laurel .
Vote of the Board: Ayes: Raynor, Latham, Mullen, Orlowski
Mr. Raynor presented proof of publication in the Suffolk Times and the
Long Island Traveler-Watchman. A copy of the map was made available for
those present to review.
Mr. Raynor: We will proceed with a review of the file. We areodn re-
ceipt of the applicant' s fee for filing from the Town Clerk' s Office
and a copy of the applicant' s attorney, along with that submitting this .
A resolution of the Southold Town Board at its regular meeting December
21, 1982 : RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby
approves the amount of $340, 000. 00 for a performance bond for roads
and improvements in the subdivision to be known as Golden View Estates ,
Laurel, New York, as recommended by Town Engineer Lawrence Mr. Tuthill
and the Southold Town Planning Board, signed by Judith Terry, Town
Clerk. We have a breakdown-,,
,,copy--of(lcos,t of that analysis . We are in
receipt of the covenants and restrictions for the proposed subdivision.
pg. (4) 4/18/83
Correspondence from this office to the applicant' s attorney, Ms . Abigail
Wickham saying approval for a preliminary subdivision that was done
back in ' 1980 with regard to some redesign on both grades and the drain-
age facilities . Resolution setting this evening as a hearing date at
the time of 7 :45 , copy of the legal notice, notice of hearing. Corres-
pondence from this office to the applicant' s attorney. Correspondence
from the Suffolk County Planning Commission. More correspondence from
the applicant' s attorney: No restrictions are being place on the map
pertaining to the area affected by the tidal wetlands . However, the
permit and the DEC regulations would prohibit any activity or construc-
tion in those particular areas as noted. Correspondence from this
Board to our Town Engineer. Correspondence from this Board to the ap-
plicant' s attorney regarding extension of time in order to complete
their work and more correspondence back from .their attorney. As this
is aim final hearing, all the engineering has been worked out with the approval
preliminary hearing with the engineering sections were reviewed and
taken under consideration by this Board. As is the procedure with this
public hearing we will ask if there is anyone present this evening who
would like to speak in opposition to this proposed major subdivision of
Golden View Estates?
Richard Hammel Mr. Raynor . . .
Mr. Raynor: Would you give your name please sir?
Mr. Hammel My name is Richard Hammel . Is it not customary to have
the environment, state department, advertise in the paper on subdivisions
like this is being proposed?
Mr. Raynor: Not to my knowledge sir.
Mr. Hammel: When this was previously under Laurel Wood Estates , twice,
one time it had to be postponed because they neglected to publish .
Mr. Raynor: That must be in 'regard to DEC permits which would be beyond
jurisdiction of this Board.
Mr. Hammel: I was wondering when this was;1published, perhaps I missed
it.
Mr. Raynor: They have not been made . . . only if they are required
by law to publish it once .
Mr. Hammel: But they haven' t published it in connection with this on
file right now. . They haven' t published it at all.
Mr. Raynor: They may not be required to by law.
Mr. Hammel: It' s ' a fairly big change.
Mr. Raynor: Alright, we will ask if there is anyone present this even-
ing who would like to speak in opposition to this proposed major sub-
division? (Negative) Hearing none, is there anyone present this even-
ing who would like to speak in favor of this proposed major subdivision
of Golden View Estates?
pg. (5) 4/18/83
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Abigail Wickham: Yes, my name is Gail Wickham, I am the attorney for
the applicant, I would just like to briefly like to recap this because
it has been so long since it' s been before the Board. The property
under consideration is 36-2/3 acres , 30 lots are proposed all contain-
ing at least 40, 000 square feet. The roads and drainage have been
designed by Young & Young to comply with the specifications with the
Town of Southold. The DEC, has approved the subdivision of this prop-
erty. There is one lot, lot g7 , which is within the jurisdiction of
the DEC and at any time that aAYYbuilding is done on that lot, a further
application must be made for that building. The planners provided for
adequate park area. The Town has mentioned the bond estimate and the
C & R' s have been designed, basically to reflect those of the Laurel
Wood subdivision so that it develops very nicely. The owners of this
property would like to see that continue. The owners are here tonight
and if you have any questions we would be glad to answer them.
Mr. Raynor: Thank you. Is there anyone else present this evening who
would like to speak in favor of this proposed major subdivision at
Laurel? (Negative) Hearing none, is there anyone present this evening
that has some information that may be neither pro nor con but should
come before this board at this time in order to help make a determination
for this proposed subdivision?
Mr. Mullen: Yes , I would like to direct your attention to lots number
13 and 10, Both 40,500 square feet. On lot number 10 it shows 138 .24
feet on the frontage, lot number 13, 150 feet in the frontage. It looks
like there is something wrong there with those two lots and on lots
number 14 and 9 there is a descrepency.
Mr. Raynor: Biil, what map are you working on? What' s the date of
receipt?
Mr. Mullen: March 1 , 1983 .
Mr. Raynor: Alright, we have an amended map to that which was April 8th
which designates the proposed lots 10 and 13 are 150 foot minimum front-
age. You' re working on an old one.
Mr. Mullen: Okay, sorry.
Mr. Raynor: Is there anyone else present this evening that has some
information to come before this Board at this time pertaining to this
subdivision?
Gentleman: Mr. Raynor, at a previous hearing a question arised
with the properties ingress and egress of this subdivision because it
is for all intent and purposes Wood Drive is landlocked. I was won-
dering if any progress has been made by the Town on that highway that
you' re supposed to be building along the south side of Long Island
Railroad of which Emma Drive on the . . is part of Laurel Country
Estates and actually on the south side of Laurel Lane going in there
is a dirt road which could be converted to access and would be exactly
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what you' re going to do anyway and it would also give the subdivision
access to the beach, a public beach on Laurel Lane. Right now as I
understand it they have no beach rights .
Mr. Raynor: I don' t know. You' re saying a public beach at the end of
which lane?
Gentleman: Laurel Lane.
Mr. Raynor: The highway that is designed to run south of the Long
Island Railroad right-of-way is being buil on a piece meal basis as
subdivisions come in. The Board is restricted under law to address
itself only to those areas that are within the metes and bounds area
of the proposed subdivision. But that is something that has been set
aside and as these come in will probably be built because it would
be a secondary feeder.
Gentleman: As I recall this map does have provisions for it.
Mr. Raynor: That' s correct.
Gentleman: And it' s just simply a question that some 500 feet to come
over Laurel Lane having made negotiations that started with the owner
of that property would probably be very willing to sell off the right-
of-way.because the property is heavily mortaged.
Mr. Raynor: Is there anyone else this evening who would care to
address the Board concerning this proposed subdivision? (Negative)
Hearing none, Mr. Mullen? (Negative) . Mr. Orlowski? (Negative)
Mr. Latham? (Negative) Being no further questions then we will deem
this final-_hearing on the proposed major subdivision of Grand View
Estates closed and thank you for coming down. (Golden View .Estates)„
On motion made by Mr. Latham, seconded by Mr. Mullen, it was
RESOLVED that the Southold Town Planning Board adopt the following
amendments to the subdivision regulations and refer same to the
Southold Town Board for its approval:
I. Subdivision A ofJSection A106-42 thereof is hereby amended by adding
a new Subdivision thereto, to be Subdivision (15) to read as follows:
(15) A certificate or other document issued by. the Suffolk County
Department of Health Services indicating that the existing or
proposed water supply and sewage disposal facilities in the
proposed subdivision will meet the requirements of the Suffolk
County Department of Health Services.
pg._ (7) 4/18/83
II. Article IV thereof is hereby amended by adding a new Section thereto, to
be Section A106-44, to read as follows:
A106-44. For the purposes of these regulations, a map, plat, sub-
division map, application, referral or request received, submitted
or filed with the town clerk or the Planning Board or any of its
officers or employees shall not be deemed to be received, submitted
or filed until all documents and information required by these regula-
tions to accompany the same have been filed with or submitted to the
Planning Board.
III . By amending paragraph A under the definition of "Subdivision"
contained in Section A106-13 , by adding a new paragraph (9)
as follows :
(9) An application to the Planning Board to set-off a lot
as herein provided shall be accompanied by a fee of
fifty dollars ($50. 00) .
Vote of the Board: Ayes : Raynor, Latham, Mullen, Orlowski
8 : 00 p.m. Public Hearing on the question of the approval of the pre-
liminary map of the proposed major subdivision to be known as Settler' s
at Oysterponds, located at Orient.
On motion made by Mr. Mullen, seconded by Mr. Orlowski, it was
RESOLVED that the Southold Town Planning Board dispense with the read-
ing of the metes and bounds description for the property of Settler' s
at Oysterponds, located at Orient.
Vote of the Board: Ayes : Raynor, Latham, Mullen, Orlowski
Mr. Raynor presented proof of publication in the Suffolk Times and the
Long Island Traveler-Watchman. 67 .652 acres , 47 lots proposed.
Mr. Raynor: We will review the file. We are in receipt of the filing
fee from the Town Clerk, We have correspondence from the Town Attorney
or to the Town Attorney from this office dated the 31st: Pursuant to
our telephone conversation this morning, I have instructed our Secretary,
Mrs . Long, to as expeditiously as possible put on for preliminary hear-
ing the following: Bay View Ventures Ltd. and Settler' s at Oysterponds .
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pg. (8) 4/18/83
As you have indicated, even though the subdivisions do not have ap-
proval under the Department of Health Services, Article 6 , they still
should be processed as soon as possible . Thank you for your opinion
in this matter, very truly yours . Correspondence from the applicant' s
engineer forwarding preliminary maps to this Board - Young & Young.
Correspondence from the office of the Town Clerk: The Southold Town
Board at its regular meeting held on September 21, 1982 approved the
proposed subdivision entitled Settlers at Oysterponds as being devel-
oped in the cluster concept, signed by Judity Terry. There' s an
engineering report from our engineer Mr. Tuthill with regard to his
suggestions and recommendations and comments on the drainage . I could
go into them but they are quite lengthy. If you find you would like
to later on I would be .happy to. There is recommendation, I should
say comments from the Suffolk County Planning Department: In accord-
ance with your request the staff has examined the proposed subdivision
layout for a 67 .652 acre tract reputedly owned by Charles B. Horowitz
and Lawrence S . Ingolia and offer the following comments on the map
for your use .
While the staff is in favor of the cluster concept for this
tract there are some design features that cause us some concern.
Two of these concerns pertain to the high groundwater table and
the low-lying nature of some areas of the tract. These conditions
have resulted in a plan to create mounds of earth upon on which the
houses will be situated. This will result in a visual impact that
can be horrendous; particularly considering the steep slopes that are
proposed. Also questioned is the placement of sanitary disposal facil-
ities within these mounds . It is possible that the waste can leach
out. However, this is a question that will be resolved by the County
Department of Health Services who will be reviewing the availability
of water and the disposal of sanitary waste .
Due to the low-lying nature of part of the tract we question
whether the area being set aside as open space or agricultural use
can be used in its entirety for the latter,:,purpose.
The method of stormwater disposal is not entirely clear. Are
drainage structures proposed near the ponds north of. Road "A"? The Com-
mission has been opposed to the direct discharge of stormwater into
any body of water. We would also like to know if the easterly pond
discharges by means of a culvert or pipe into Hallocks Bay.
The proposed map indicates a number of shallow drainage areas
but does not indicate how deep these areas will be and if there will
be standing water (ponds) . Will these areas function without stag-
nating?
There are some minor changes that should be made . These suggested
changes are providing short radius curves at the corners of Halyoake
Road and Orchard Street, Orchard Street and Orchard Street, Narrow
River Road and Orchard Street. The alignment of Narrow River Road
between Road "A" and Orchard Street should be improved by using a
large radius curve. Acquisition of the land at this time would be
helpful even though the improvement is scheduled for the future.
There is a Suffolk County Control Monument at Lot Line 4-5 which
should be protected against disturbance .
Staff comments on a preliminary map do not constitute a review of
pg. (9) 4/18/83
the map by the Suffolk County Planning Commission. When the map has
been finalized it should be referred to the Commission for review
pursuant to Section 1333 of the Suffolk County Charter, very truly
yours, Charles G. Lind. Back on September 1, 1982 there is corres-
pondence from this Board approving a sketch plan layout for the
major subdivision and action by this Board on August 30, 1982 . And
there is correspondence from the Department of Health Services : We
are in receipt of your letter dated October 25 , 1982 and we are in
agreement with your designation as lead agency. This was forwarded
to the Department of Health Services under the State Environmental
Quality Review Act. An application for subdivision has been submit-
ted to this Department and denied as per the attached correspondence.
A hearing has been held before this Department concerning the water
supply system and sewerage disposal systems . A decision is pending
additional information from the applicant, as well as a SEQURA deter-
mination. Should you have any questions , please feel free to contact
the undersigned, very truly yours Royal R. Reynolds . And there is
correspondence pertaining to Article 6 and section 106 , both of
which go into water supply water community seweragR�method of sewer
disposal is required when the subdivision is located in an area
where the groundwater conditions are not conducive to the proper
functioning of,individual sewerage systems . And (2) A community
water system method of water supply is required when groundwaters in
the area are non-potable or potentially hazardous , and when parcels
in the subdivision are less than 40, 000 square feet in area. If this
matter cannot be resolved, we would like to bring to your attention
that there is an appeal procedure whereby an applicant may request
a variance from these standards . In order to apply for a variance,
it is necessary to write a letter. And this is from the Department
of Health Services to Mr. Horowitz . I have correspondence from the
Southold Town Conservation Advisory Council : We offer the following
comments . There are additional 42 acres of wetlands that should be
excluded from any preliminary plan for development. The CAC does
not feel the open space areas should be included in the overall plan
as these areas exist under natural conditions they barely control
what run-off there would be . The areas are barely adequate and they
would not want to add any additional runoff to these areas . The
CAC would like to suggest that all storm and drainage work be submit-
ted on another map signed by Jane Moffatt, Secretary and Frank
Cichanowicz , Chairman. We have a letter from the Department of Public
Works : Jack Davis and I have reviewed the roads at the subdivision
Settler' s at Oysterponds . Enclosed is a report of our findings and
suggested recommendations and signed by Raymond C. Dean, Superinten-
dent of Highways . These recommendations are very much in parallel
with those that we already discussed with the Suffolk County Planning
Commission' s recommendations . Correspondence from this office to the
New York State DEC declaring the Planning Board as lead agency and we
are in receipt of the Long environmental assessment form from the
applicant. We have also contacted the Soil and Water Conservation
district officers asking them at some point if they would be in a
position to give us some information with regard to their expertise
pg. ( 10) 4/18/83
in both soils and wetlands designation. There is further correspon-
dence back and forth between the applicant and this Board and between
the applicant' s engineer and this Board. Also an application for the
approval of plot and a metes and bounds description, a declaration of
covenants and restrictions in duplicate, a certificate of disclosure
with regard to the corporation. And that pretty well completes the
file to date. We would like to note that to date the Planning Board
as lead agency has not made a determination under the State Environ-
mental Quality Review Act and we are still pending a specific letter
of approval from the Superintendent of Highways with regard to the
road layout as well as referrals from the Orient Fire District Com-
missioners as to locations of wells and hydrants that would be suit-
able for this area.
Lady: Mr. Raynor, does the microphone go any closer to you?
Mr. Raynor: Is that any better? As is the procedure of this Board
we will ask if there is anyone present this evening who would like to
speak in opposition to this proposed major subdivision of Settler' s
at Oysterponds?
Ruth Oliva, North Fork Environmental Council: Henry, I know there are
many in the room here that are wondering why this hearing has been
held now when they had thought you had passed the regulation that any
developer must have Article 6 approval before submitting their prelim-
inary plans . I wish you could explain it to us .
Mr. Raynor: It' s very brief, number one it takes so much time to get
this type of regulation amended and Mr. Baer had asked. what this is
about and this is part of it. It takes so much time to get one of
these regtilations_;legislated through and to date we still have to
have the ratification of the Town Board before it can be enforced. We
are holding this hearing im-Tart as the result v:Yof_. conversation with
the Town Attorney that has instructed us to go forward with this .
Mrs . Oliva: I thought though that the Planning Board had entertained
a motion quite a few months ago to put that into their regulations .
I take it then that Mr. Tasker said that was not legal at. that time .
Mr. Raynor: It was not legal because it has not been completed and
ratified by the Town Board.
Mrs::, Oliva: Thank you. I 'd like to make my statement. We are deeply
concerned about the effect of this project. We feel it is in the very
sensitive environmental area. The fresh water lense in this area is
extremely shallow and the depth to groundwater is extremely shallow.
What is going to happen if we have a lot of wells pumping out this
water? How long will it be until we incur salt water intrusion, not
only in the development, but for the-people that live on the perimiter
of this development. The sewerage system again very depth until ground-
water. If we have 47 cesspool systems going into the shallow aquifer,
how long will it be before this aquifer is totally polluted with sew-
erage, and during the storm.orunoff we have had approximately during the
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past three years, very heavy rains , had fields sits with at least half
of water most of the time. Are we going to have floating sewerage
coming down the road? It' s interesting. Then again, Hallocks Bay is
one of the main sources of income for- our Baymen during scallop season.
Eventually the aquifer runs into the Hallocks Bay. When and how long
will it take for the sewerage to seep into Hallocks Bay as start pol-
luting our scallop beds? Where is this drainage from stormwater run-
off going to be contained on this property? As I 've said the lower
half of this field has been sitting in a lake for at least the past
month with swans and ducks having a high old time down there . We have
two ponds on the eastern side. Last week the one pond was completely
filled flowing over little Halyoake Road there, which is the private
road going down there, which was another lake, so where in sam hill
are these people going to put their runoff? . For all these reasons ,
we would respectfully request that the Planning Board declare a pos-
itive determination in the SEQURA. process and therefore request that
a long form draft environmental impact statement be filed. Thank you.
Mr. Raynor: Is there anyone else present this evening who would like
to speak in opposition to this proposed major subdivision?
Jarvis Verity: My name is Jarcis Verity. I am the Southold Town' s
Baymen president. Now that creek, Hallocks Bay, we put about, in the
last 15 years, I would say 10 years about $50, 000 planting clams in
there and every year, this year, $100 , 000 worth of scallops have been
taken out of there. And I estimate at least 2 , 000 people make money
off of that creek. That' s the best creek we've got to scallop in
Southold Town. If we lose that creek we lost the best creek in
Southold Town. It' s brought a lot of money to Southold Town. When
you couldn' t make any money you could make it in that creek and make
a living, but if we get it polluted, its goodbye and we' ll never get
it back. Thank you.
Mr. Raynor: Is there anyone else present who would like to speak in
opposition to this proposed subdivision?
Martin Trent: Mr. Raynor,. I am Martin Trent, I live in Orient. I 've
prepared some comments . It' s a little bit lengthy and I think some
of the points have already been said. If I may, I would like to give
you a copy. (Mr. Trent submitted copy to Board) Just in general I
would like to the approval of any major subdivision by the Planning
Board for two reasons . The town, I think, is putting the cart before
the horse in considering subdivisions prior to the completion of the
master plan. If you don' t have complete information, I really don' t
know what the situation is . The Planning Board has just voted to re-
quire Article 6 approval prior to their consideration. Since this
project has not received Health Department approval, this hearing should
have been adjourned until such time as it does . In specifically speak-
ing to this subdivision as currently proposed I don' t think that it' s
appropriate for the area at all . I would like to make a number of
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points . Number one, The proposed density will cause the contamina-
tion of Hallocks Bay and jeopardize the resurgent osprey population
along its shore . The Cluster concept as proposed in not with keep-
ing with the character of the community. Number three, land whose
obvious best use is as farmland will be lost. Four, a farm of His-
torical importance to the village of Orient will be destroyed.
Fifth, a rare scenic vista of farm fields, wetlands and bay will also
be gone forever.
Since an environmental impact statement has not been filed, the
project' s true affect on the environment and the community is unknown.
I think if the master plan were to be issued tomorrow, it would most
probably recommend this site be kept in agricultural use or be re-
zoned to five acres per lot minimum. As planners, you must realize
that the property is environmentallly a worse case situation as far
as subdivision or development is concerned.
Anyone who has seen the site knows that the surface drainage is
not conducive to development, to say the least, as there are several
ponds and marsh areas that are, some are permanent, some are not.
. The surface of the water table is only one to seven feet below the
land surface, and the average thickness of the aquifer is less than
fifty feet on most of the property. How drinking water is to be sup-
plied and the effect of this withdrawal on Orient' s aquifer has not
been determined.
The forty-seven .proposed individual sewage disposal systems will
contaminate the shallow aquifer with sewage which will then be dis-
charged into Hallocks Bay. And some of the richest scallop grounds on
the east end in Lake Montauk had to be closed last year due to devel-
oping densities more than the area can support around the shores . If
development occurs around the perimeter of the bay at the density
proposed, Hallocks Bay will be closed to shell fishing within a few
years .
I would ask the question, are the members of the Planning and Town
Board ready to accept the legal responsibility for the destruction of
this bay? Thank you.
Mr. Raynor: Is there anyone else present this evening who would like
to speak in opposition to this?
Chester Begley: I would like to go on record that I am 100% behind
Mrs . Oliva' s feelings on this Hallock' s Bay and Narrow River Road.
There is one particular place Narrow River where they had this big
rainstorm several months back overloaded the farm. It ran a track
or something through the farm. One farmer shoved a big gate through
there and put several millions gallons of dirty polluted water that
they use on a farm in there. We 've been planting clams there for
quite a few years now. We 've been getting good results from them.
But if this is kept up we ' re not going to have anything. We've got
small clams there as .big as your fingernail now and that stuff is
growing in there good. Thank you.
Mr. Raynor: Is there anyone else present this evening who would like
to speak in opposition?
pg. ( 13) 4/18/83
Joseph Hataier: I am Joe Hataier. I live in Orient. I have a minor
subdivision about a thousand feet away from this parcel . About 11
years ago I came before this Board, and John Wickham was the Chairman.
I wanted to divide 8 .3 acres and they only allowed me to divide it
into four pieces . I wanted three smaller pieces or four smaller pieces
off the road for an orchard in the back. ' And he said the whole environ-
ment of Orient, they wanted the houses spread apart and they didn' t
want right near, so I was denied that. I feel that it' s not fair to
the other subdivisions . He has the land, have him spread it out the way
the rest of Orient is spread out, two acre zoning, . an acre and a half.
Can you hear me?
Mr. Raynor: Yes I hear you.
Mr. Hataier: That' s all I have to say.
Mr. Raynor: Is there anyone else present this evening?'
Mrs . Charles Devoe: My name is Mrs . Charles Devoe. We live on Orchard
Street and it took us two years to get our subdivision because we wanted
to meet all the requirements of the Town. After a long lengthy time
we got our subdivision. Zut, I ' d like to tell you about our experience
living there. A year ag when the rains were so heavy we had two feet
of water in our basement. These past two weeks ago when it was not
quite as bad, we had over two inches in our basement. And this is be-
fore any further building out in that area. I would like the Board to
consider this as a problem already and what it will do if it' s not con-
sidered for future development. We have a precious thing out there
and we' re going to loose it to overbuilding. I would like them to keep
that in mind that already the problem is there.
Mr. Raynor: Is there anyone else present this evening?
Terry Harnan: I have an open letter: I do not live in Orient but
because it is an .important scenic and historic part of Southold Town,
and because I have many friends there, I take a great interest in it.
Who is going to be made happy by the proposed Orient subdivision
which you are considering today? Not the people who have houses bor-
dering the area because they object stongly to it as you well know.
Not other people in Orient because many of them protest, too, on the
correct grounds that the water supply for all will be threatened by
pollution an/or scarcity. Not the baymen who will find that overflow
of sewage from those wet, spongy grounds will soon threaten the yield
of scallops and other shellfish in Hallock Bay. Not the people who
will buy the proposed houses , if they are put up, because they will
have problems with flooded cellars, water and .ground drainage.
So who will be made happy? The investors and developers will
be happy because they can take their pile and run, leaving those
problems to others . They may claim they will be responsible and really
try, but over the problems I have pointed out they have no real con-
trol . It is like promising the people in Louisiana or Missouri that
the Mississippi River will never over-run their properties again.
pg. ( 1 /) 4/18/83
Under these circumstances for you to permit such a subdivision
does not seem a wise or politic decision.
Mr. Raynor: Is there anyone else this evening?
Mr. Walter Smith: I am Walter Smith, we live in Orient. I think
there is one thing we ' re neglecting to look at very closely. We
talk about the water coming up and the difficulties with this problem.
What we' re neglecting is the tremendous increase in seawater level
that we've been experiencing in the last 20 years . We 've got a mount-
ing that' s going on in the ocean now that' s driving the water higher
and this is apparent all up and down the coast. If these people have
two feet of water in their basement, in five years they are going to
have three and this is a major problem what to do about this increase
of ocean sea level . Now this is something the Planning Board must
look at very seriously because it is a major problem experienced all up
and down the coast. There are a number of scientific publications
on the rate of increase and the Planning Board should consider this
evidence in any planning close to the water. Thank you.
Mr. Raynor: Mr. Smith, would you make some of those articles avail-
able to the Board.
Mr. Smith: Surely.
Mr. Raynor: Thank you. (The Chairman acknowledged someone wishing to
speak)
Estelle Adams : I am Estelle Adams from Orient. I would just like to
second what Mr. Smith has said. My husband worked on Hallocks Farm
numbers of years ago for a number of years driving tractors all around
the area. They had at that time, there was no problem in planting all
the way to Narrow River Road. Now the farmers do not plant all the
way to Narrow River Road. There is a jib piece there that they know
is not wise to plant because it would be flooded most of the time.
There is a house that was built to house machinery for a greenhouse
that George Hallock had there at one time . There is water that the
machinery part of it was in the cellar area. There was no problem
with water there at that time. There is great problem with it there
now. And this is not of course is not only in that particular area.
The houses up and down Village Lane and other places along the bay
front are finding where they have never had water before in their
cellars . There is now constant problem anytime there is a little
excessive rain or very high tides . This is definitely, has been a
very great change in that area of Hallocks Bay Farm over a period of
years and in houses that are built for twenty or thirty years , who
knows, Mr. Smith would be able to get you figures as to what may be
by that time thirty years from now.
Mr. Raynor: Thank you. Is there anyone else?
Dorothy Burkes : My name is Dorothy Burkes and I live in Orient on
the north side of the proposed development. The concern with quality
pg. (1S) 4/18/83
of water, quanity of water and the danger of sewerage have been ex-
plained. I would like to submit to ;you a reprint from the Rural
New Yorker, July 30, 1892 , which deals withthe Hallock Farm and des-
cribes in the second paragraph how George Hallock bought the farm in
1870 when it was a derelict farm and for 20 years filled the land,
filled the wetlands that continually floated withsalt tides until by
1892 he had the most successful farm on they say in Suffolk County.
In 1892 he put 1, 000 tons of city stable manure and 65 tons of fish
scrap into that wetland as fill . Now we don' t have . . . by now it' s
wonderful farmland and webelieve it should be kept farming, because it
has served it purpose well and to continue to serve its purpose as
such. We had some concern that a lot of that fill is still just fill
and if there are to be 47 houses considered we would request 47 glories
be made because houses on the perimeter of this development are already
settling and we don' t know how many of the houses that are proposed
would do the same. We don' t know if it would take five years or one
year but this is a serious danger whether assured the land or not,
because you have you' re aquifer and I think bedrock is something like
500 feet below. There are a lot of people here that don' t want this
development to happen. Orient people have a tradition. People who
don' t like us say we want to block, who would want to build a bridge
across the crossway. However ERM has come in with an evaluation that
matches this . They say that because of the fragility of our water
table that development in Orient should be done carefully if at all .
This is a particularly fragile development and we hope that the Town
Boards will examine it on a particular basis and not just on a blanket
basis and will examine it point for point for all the possilities to
the entire community. Thank you.
Mr. Raynor: Is there anyone else present that has something in addition
that should be brought to the Board' s attention? Mr. Burke?
Robert Burkes : I live and work directly across from the proposed -devel-
opment. I think that the technical matters of water has been brought
up this evening. There are a lot of fundamental things the board in
this business should consider, but there is another very very important
thing to consider. Recently, we 've been going over the diaries of
Lucius Hallock. To get a history of this land, the meadow, which exists
now on the water side down, reached to almost a hundred feet to high
front. Tha shade of the land at that point was very much similar to
the cree s , Qons the east of the farmed road. The decision, the
builders , it took an amazing amount of ingenuity and enormous amount of
upkeep. By 1893 (inaudible) . This land which was originally filled
couldn' t contain seawaters . Among one of his other activities was to
dig a channel in Hallock Bay. And annually he put over 400 tons of
rock for this channel . Well , it didn' t take very long after Mr.
Hallock died in 1933 to change . The water that' s built up, again from
Mr. Smith' s observation. This land was manufactured and designed for
farming. This farm which was built and handled was one of the most
prosporous and one of the best run farms in the United States and as
such is an historical landmark, and that beauty still remains . If we
loose this , we will loose the character of Orient. (Much of Mr. Burkes
comments were inaudible. Mr. Burkes submitted a copy of the history of
Hallocks farm for the file)
pg. ( 16) 4/18/83
Mr. Raynor: Is there anyone else that has something additional . We
have several more public hearings this evening. This Board would be
glad to accept them in writing within two or three days or if some-
one feels that they have something to add to the comments that have
been forwarded tonight.
Ann Hopkins : My name is Ann Hopkins and I have a house in Orient on
Platt Road just a few hundred yards south from Mr. Horowitz ' s property.
I will give you two letters from two neighbors who can' t be here, so
they do address the water issue that you've heard about. (Mrs . Hopkins
submitted copies to the Board) I would just like to say I don' t think
sufficient emphasis has been put on the .need to preserve farmland.
Especially good farmland. I believe that a representative of the
Department of Agriculture last summer specifically. pointed to that fact
that this piece of property and I would certainly think that it' s the
duty of the Town Planning Board to take this into consideration at
least until the Master Plan is updated because I . would certainly hope
that we are now taking farmland preservation seriously that we know
through various matters for bringing in additional funding either in
the works or already available through various resources such as the
American Farmland Trust. And I think there would be a controversy
over this piece of property if Mr. Horowitz were proposing something
not generally addressing the need in Orient but he is not. In the years
I 've been in Orient I 've seen a few houses going up and they' re not the
kind that he proposes . There are no smaller houses for young couples
coming to town or a couple of waterfront big properties , but he is
barely creating something to satisfy his own desire for profit and not
to meet the genuine need and therefore, I think that it is imperative'
that that property stay as it is until the Master Plan is updated.
Mr. Raynor: Anyone else? Frank?
Frank Baer: As you know the North Fork Water Study has just been com-
pleted and the final draft has been circulated and I would like just
to call attention to the fact that the North Fork Water Study refers
to the development usually within so called water budget areas . As
you know the Town Planning Board has been concerned about areas out-
side these water budget areas . (Secretary changed tape) . The ans-
wers have 'nt begun. Where the water study ends, whether the water
in this area, at least part of this area may not be a part of the
rainor water table, and I think the geological survey could be a good
source to go for that kind of information. I know that in the area
that I live this question has come up and the water which is available
for use quite often is always the water which has been collected from
the melting snow and rain and once that' s gone, it' s gone . And I
think that' s a very important aspect of the problem that you' re faced
with. Now, the question of water, of course has been addressed in
many ways here tonight. You started out with it yourself almost with
the Planning Department, the question the Planning Department raised
about the water, sewerage disposals , stormwater runoff and of course
Department of Health Services correspondence to Mr. Horowitz and I
pg. ( 17) 4/18/83
think there are other areas that have been addressed here tonight and
it seems to me that - if the water situation being what it is there
and it would be imperative that this request for the subdivision
there be denied. Thank you.
Mr. Raynor: Yes? (Addressing a lady indicating to speak)
Linda Brandike: I 'm Linda Brandike from Orient. I just want to bring
up a couple of things that have nothing to do with water, which I
think has been very well covered. What happens when the population in-
creases which has slightly to do with this development. What about
the fire, what about the schools , what about access roads? If you
change the character of Orient, I think, it has something, I '.m sure
that most Orienters wouldn' t care for. I think that all those things
have to be taken into consideration as well as the physical aspects .
Mr. Raynor: Thank you. Is there anyone else?
Virginia Moore, I live in Southold, but I 'm concerned about Orient
because it' s a part of Southold. We must have learned our lesson by
now about what goes on out here. If we haven' t we have only to look
at California, where they build houses, where the houses don' t .belong
and the houses fall off a cliff or slide into the sea or get washed
away at the most severe peak of the season._ We, .I 've read also, in
reference to what Dr. Smith said the water level of the coast, the
ocean level in California is eight inches higher now than it was just
recently. . It would seem the same sort of thing may easily be happen-
ing here. There' s no potable water on this land. The houses if they
are built are going to sink into the sea, into the ground. The devel-
opment is out of scale and out of character with the town and there
really doesn' t seem any reason at all to approve it. Thank you.
Mr. Raynor: Does that pretty well complete everybody that would like
to speak in opposition? Did we miss anybody in the room?
Scott Harris: Mr. Raynor, my name is Scott Harris , I am a life time
resident of Orient as many people are in this room. I 'd like if it is
possible during this public hearing for me to ask you a question and
for you to respond?
Mr. Raynor: No, this is a public hearing for us to gain input from
the people present.
Scott Harris: I would just like you to take into consideration the
federal flood plan act that is in .existance for many properties now
throughout Orient and the building codes they must, many areas are
in the 10 and 11 foot areas so they can' t build unless their first
story, . as I understand, , without an open window that a 10 foot level,
11 foot level . I just wondered what that pertains to this development.
Does it fit into consideration, whether it applies or whether it does 'nt.
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pg. ( 18) 4/18/83
Mr. Raynor: The flood plain complies to all parcels within the town-
ship. Okay, is there anyone present this evening who-would like to
speak in favor of this proposed major subdivision of Settler' s at
Oysterponds? (Negative) Hearing none, discussion from the Board,
Mr. Latham?
Mr. Latham: I appreciate all the comments by Ruth Oliva, Doris and
the rest. As a resident of Orient and member of the Planning Board,
I 'm not just going to close my ears . There are a lot of questions
and it takes a lot of thinking. Thank you.
Mr. Raynor: Thanks Ritch. Benny?
Mr. Orlowski: I would just like to thank everybody for coming and
giving us all this imput. We' ll take it into consideration, I promise .
Mr. Raynor: Mr. Mullen?
Mr. Mullen: I 'm going to sound like a parrot. I concur. That' s it.
Mr. Raynor: Well I think everybody pretty well gets the concensus of
the Board. We do appreciate the fact that the people of the community
would take the. time, take of their time, particularly to come down.
Usually we sit with three lawyers and a couple of brokers and it works
very nicely over in the small room. We thank everybody for coming in
this evening and giving us their input. There being no further input
on this we will declare this hearing closed.
The Board recessed for five, minutes as residents left the meeting room.
8 :55 p.m. Mr. Raynor opened the Public Hearing (scheduled for 8 : 15
p.m. ) on the question of the approval of the major subdivision prelim-
inary map for Bay View Ventures Ltd. located at Mattituck.
On motion made by Mr. Mullen, seconded by Mr. Orlowski, it was
RESOLVED that the Southold Town Planning Board dispense with the read-
ing of the metes and bounds description for the proposed subdivision
of Bay View Ventures, Ltd. , located at Mattituck.
Vote of the Board: Ayes : Raynor, Latham, Mullen, Orlowski
Mr. Raynor presented proof of publication in the Suffolk Times and the
Long Island Traveler-Watchman. Copies were made available to those
wishing to review.
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pg. ( 19) 4/18/83
Mr. Raynor: We have receipt of the filing fee from the Town Clerk' s
office . We have official correspondence from Suffolk County:
In accordance with your request the staff has examined the pro-
posed subdivision layout for a 49 . 140 acre tract reputedly owned
by Mattituck Harbor Associates and Bay View Ventures Ltd. and offer
the following comments . on the map for your use.
Generally, the layout appears to be satisfactory; however, there
are some elements of the design that need to be resolved. Resolution
of these design elements may necessitate changes in the layout.
We have noted that a setback of 75 feet from the edge of the
wetlands and the shoreline of Deep Hole Creek, where there is a sec-
tion of the shore without wetlands , has been indicated on the map
While such a setback may be acceptable to the State of New York it is
not acceptable to the Suffolk County Planning Commission who requires
a 100 foot setback. This setback not only applies to major struc-
tures , it also applies to the location of sanitary disposal facilities
as well .
Along the westerly boundary of this tract is a swale that is
part of a watershed that has its origin to the north of New Suffolk
Avenue. We believe there is a drainage pipe under the town road that
allows runoff from the swale on the northerly side of the road to
flow into the swale on the south side of the road. It also appears
that runoff from the town road also discharges into this swale . Be-
fore the subdivision is approved this drainage condition should be
resolved.
Road "A" should intersect New Suffolk Avenue at a right angle .
This is a more aesthetic arrangement and aids traffic flow as well .
Note the location of the existing road pavement relative to the
road line in the vicinity of proposed Lot 33 . Soon the pavement will
be encroaching onto private property. Therefore, the road line should
be modified in this location by a large radius curve .
We see no need for the right-of-way that crosses Lots 18 and 21
as the adjoining properties will have access to the paved subdivision
roads . Therefore, the right-of-way should be extinguished.
At Road "C" opposite Lot 13 there is a small parcel of land be-
tween the road and the adjoining property.. Will this parcel be
included as part of the road?
There was no indication as to the capacity of the shallow drainage
areas .. We are particularly concerned with the one in the vicinity of
Lot 5 as we do not want any overflow from a heavy storm into the dredged
creek.
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Staff comments on a preliminary map do not constitute a review
of the map by the Suffolk County Planning Commission. When the map
has been finalized it should be referred to the Commission for re-
view pursuant to Section 1333 , Charles G. Lind; Chief Planner Sub
division Review Section. Correspondence from this Board to the
applicant' s (Town) attorney: Pursuant to .our telephone conversation
this morning, I have instructed our Secretary, Mrs . Long, to as
expeditiously as possible put on for preliminary hearing the follow-
ing: Bay View Ventures , Ltd. and Settler' s at .Oysterponds .
As you have indicated, even though the subdivisions do not
have approval under the Department of Health Services, Article 6 ,
they still should be processed as soon as possible.
Thank you for your opinion in this matter. Very truly yours .
From the Councilmen of the Town:
I have discussed the subdivision map for the above corporation
with Highway Superintendent Dean. He has told me that he has planned
a meeting with Alden Young the project engineer and will be contacting
you with his recommendations .
If you have any questions that cannot be resolved, please contact
me at any time, Joseph L. Townsend, Jr. He is Chairman to the Southold
Town Highway Committee. Copy of legal notice, correspondence to Mr.
Gill on the proposed subdivision of Bay View Ventures, Ltd. from the
Department of Health Services :
The above referenced application to subdivide or develop property
has been rejected by the Environmental Services office because it
does not appear to conform with the standards of this Department.
A review of this case has been rescheduled at the County Center
building, Riverhead, in the Suffolk County. Department of Health
Services Conference Room, 2nd floor, North Wing, on February 25 , 1983 ,
at 11 : 00 a.m.
You and interested parties are requested to appear, with or with-
out counsel, and you may produce any information or evidence concern-
ing the above referenced subdivision, signed by Also Andreoli, Chair-
man of the Board of Review.
Correspondence from the Town of Southold. Public Works Department:
Gentlemen: I have reviewed the preliminary map of Bay View
Ventures, Ltd. at Mattituck and concur "with the enclosed report of
Mr. Jack Davis .
Mr. Davis gives. a lengthy discourse on his comments and recommendations
on this proposed subdivision. Also accompanying that we have comments
and recommendations from the Town P.E. with regard to the proposed
subdivision. Anyone who would care to hear all of these, I would be
glad to go into them at a later date . They are rather lengthy and
most of them pertain solely to drainage and alignment of roadways with-
in this subdivision. We had previous to this meeting solicited to the
Suffolk County Soil and Water Conservation a report with regard to the
soils and swales that are proposed by this applicant and that infor-
mation is on file also. More correspondence from the Department. of
Health Services pertaining to Article 6 , inventory and evaluation of
soil and water resources for Bay View Ventures Ltd. for the proposed
roads and waterway systems for the subdivision as prepared by Howard W.
Young. Correspondence from this office to the Soil and Water Conser-
vation people, correspondence from this office to the County, corres-
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pondence requesting particular subdivision information to the ap-
plicant' s attorney. Correspondence back from his attorney. Application
for the approval of plot. As is the procedure with this Board we will
ask .if there is anyone present this evening who-would like to speak in
opposition to this proposed major subdivision of Bay View Ventures Ltd.
situated in Mattituck. I should also add that we have a certificate of
disclosure as to the officers and stockholders involved. Is there any-
one present who would like to speak in objection to this proposed
ma.jor subdivision? Yes?
Ruth Oliva: Can I first just ask what is the status of this in respect
to the SEQURA process?
Mr. Raynor: It has no status presently.
Mrs . Oliva: Therefore, I know this has many of the same aspects say as
Hallocks . It is near a creek, we do not want our creeks polluted. It
has a deeper aquifer than Hallocks . It is shallow. We would again re-
quest that the Town Planning Board declare itself lead agency with a
positive declaration and require a long form draft environmental impact
statement be completed. We are really concerned about the development
along our creeks ; that our creeks will not be polluted down the line.
Thank you.
Mr. Raynor: Is there anyone else present this evening who would like
to speak in opposition to this proposed subdivision? Hearing none, is
there anyone present this evening who would like to speak in favor of
this proposed subdivision? Hearing none, is there anyone present this
evening that has some information pertaining to this subdivision that
may be neither pro nor con but should come before this Board in order
to help it in making a determination? Hearing none, members of the
Board, Mr. Mullen? (Negative) Mr. Orlowski? (Negative) Mr. Latham?
(Negative) Alright there being no comments from the Board members we
will declare this hearing closed and thank you for coming in this even-
ing.
Skinny Dip Pools - Art Simmerling met with the Board for a presubmis-
sion conference for the construction of a display swimming pool on the
property formerly known as Frank Murphy Garden Center located at Matti-
tuck. The Board made a field inspection of this property prior to the
meeting. The following action was taken.
On motion made by Mr. Mullen, seconded by Mr. Latham, it was
RESOLVED that the Southold Town Planning Board approve the site plan
of Skinny Dip, Pools , Inc. for the construction of a display swimming
pool subject to receipt of three (3) copies of reverse profiles , as
initally submitted, in which the swimming pool will be located to the
west of the building.
Vote of the Board: Ayes : Raynor, Latham, Mullen, Orlowski
The Board noted a reverse site plan would eliminate the necessity of
side and rear yard variances from the Zoning Board of Appeal and would
not" be hazardous regarding 'traffic .
~ pg. (22) 4/18/83
Marine Associates , Inc . - William Esseks , Esq. met with the Board to
discuss the site plan proposed for property located in Cutchogue . Mr.
Raynor advised Mr. Esseks on advise from the Town Attorney, the Plan-
ning Board could listen to comments regarding this proposal but could
not take any action because the present zoning of the property would
not permit it. Mr. Raynor also advised Mr. Esseks that the Board had
not had an opportunity to review the revised Long Environmental Assess-
ment Form as it was received April 11 , 1983 . Mr. Esseks stated the
proposed site would consist of 24 condominium units , 2 ,350 square feet
each with communal water system and communal sewerage system. The
Board requested a copy of a plan showing the location of sanitary facil-
ities along with any correspondence they might have from the Suffolk
County Department of Health Services regarding water and sewerage.
It was the concensus of the Board to make an on site field inspection
of the area. The Board stated they would contact Mr. Esseks , Mr. Haje,
Mr. Mahoney and Mr. Kenniff at a later date to discuss this proposal .
Lawrence Bruno - Abigail Wickham, Esq. met with the Board to discuss
the Change of Zone Application from "A" Residential and Agricultural
District to "M-l" General Multiple Residence District on property
located near Greenport. It is the applicant' s intent to have .a year
round motel operation. Correspondence from James Monsell, Greenport
Water Superintendent, was reviewed. Mr. Irving L. Price, Jr. stated
opposition for the change of zone proposed; an application for Maid-
stone which is the same property was denied by the Town Board and
Planning Board at an earlier date . Mr. Price, on behalf of Mr. Burt
Crystal , stated the units for the motel was more than what Maidstone
proposed and there was no just reason to change this area from its
present zoning. Mr. Rudolph Bruer, Esq. reiterated Mr. Price ' s comments .
No action was taken by the Planning Board.
Munz/Catalano- Mr. Roger Munz and Mr. Philip Cardinale met with the
Board for a presubmission' conference regarding the site plan presently
known as Hansen' s Garage . The applicant proposes to use the property
for boat sales . The metal building would be removed and the area to
be used for parking. Three unused gas tanks would be removed or
filled with sand. The Board stated this proposal would be an upgrad-
ing of the property. It was the concensus of the Board to field in-
spect the area prior to the next Planning Board meeting.
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pg. (23) 4/18/83
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On motion made by Mr. Orlowski, seconded by Mr. Latham, it was
RESOLVED that whereas, a formal application for the approval of a
subdivision plat entitled "Greenbriar Homes" located at
Mattituck was submitted to the Planning Board on September 21 , 1982
and, a filing fee of $100 was paid February 16 , 1982 , and
WHEREAS, a public hearing was held on said subdivision application
and plat at the Town Hall, Southold, New York, on March 28 , 1983 at
7 :30 p.m. , and
WHEREAS, the requirements of the Subdivision Regulations of the Town
of .Southold have been met by said subdivision plat and application,
NOW, therefore, be it RESOLVED that the application of "Greenbriar
Homes" for approval of said subdivision plat prepared by
Howard W. Young, P.C. dated March 1, 1983 , be approved and the
chairman be authorized to endorse approval_ on said subdivision plat
subject to the following conditions :
1 . All stormwater runoff resulting from the development and
improvement of this subdivision or any of its lots shall be
retained on the site by adequate drainage structures so
that it will not flow out into the right-of-way of Elijah' s
Lane where it maybe carried to Main Road, a state road.
2 . No further application will be made to the Planning Board
or any other Board in the Town of Southold to further
subdivide any of the lots in this subdivision.
3 . It shall be ascertained if that portion of the former sub-
division "Map of Greenbriar Acres" occupied by this sub-
division has been formerly abandoned and so recorded in the
County Clerk' s office and if not such action shall be taken
if required under Real Porperty Law.
4 . The map of this subdivision shall be filed in the County
Clerk' s office .
5 . Conditions 1 and 2 shall be filed as covenants and restric-
tions in the office of the County Clerk on or prior to the
granting of approval to this subdivision.
Vote of the Board: Ayes : Raynor, Latham, Mullen, Orlowski
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pg. (24) 4/18/83
Lynn San Andres - The Board reviewed correspondence from the Town
Attorney advising the Board they could proceed with this application.
Also reviewed was correspondence from David Saland, agent for the
applicant regarding the proposed subdivision for Kigambo/Magara,
formerly requesting that this prior application be withdrawn. Prior
to sketch approval, Mr. Latham requested that he be able to field in-
spect the property. The following action was taken:
On motion made by Mr. Orlowski, seconded by Mr. Mullen, it was
RESOLVED that the Southold Town Planning Board declare itself lead
agency with regard to the State Environmental Quality Review Act in
the matter of the minor subdivision of Lynn San Andres , located at
Mattituck.
Vote of the Board: Ayes : Raynor, Latham, Mullen, Orlowski
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The Board will field inspect the following properties prior to the
next meeting of the Board.
Lula Mae Latham minor subdivision located at Orient
Alberta Young minor subdivision located at Laurel
Richard J. Cron major subdivision located at Laurel
On motion made by Mr. Mullen, seconded by Mr. Orlowski, it was
RESOLVED that the Southold Town Planning Board declare itself lead
agency in regard to the State Environmental Quality Review Act in
the matter of the minor subdivision of Leon Marcus , located near
Greenport.
Vote of the Board: Ayes : Raynor, Latham, Mullen, Orlowski
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George. Malis - It was the concensus of the Board to review the map
of the major subdivision of Soundview Acres (Hornwood) for possible
future road extention through this property.
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pg. (25) 4/18/83
North Wind Village - The Chairman advised Mr. Kontokosta that this
area was very difficult to inspect because of the heavy brush. On
inspection the Board noted an area of standing water and questioned
the perculation of drainage . It was the concensus of the Board that
a Long Environmental Assessment Form be completed and submitted to
the Board for review. Mr. Kontokosta stated he would supply the Board
with soil boring information.
R.T. Kroepel - A field inspection was made on this property. This
proposal would require an area and width variance. As a resolution
for the denial of this proposal was entertained, Mr. Rudolph Bruer,
Esq. requested that the Board not deny the application but forward
comments to the Zoning Board of Appeals . The Board stated they would
advise the Zoning Board of their comments regarding this proposal .
No resolution was passed.
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George Malis . - Mr. George Wetmore requested what specifications would
be necessary for road improvement within this subdivision. Mr. Raynor
advised Mr. Wetmore that the Board would send out Inspector John W.
Davis during the subdivision process .
Daniel C. Shelley - After an on site field inspection, it was the
concensus of the Board that the .southerly right-of-way be expanded
to 25 feet, and approval from the Zoning Board of Appeals for a 280-A
for the remaining access outside the metes and bounds of the property.
Also noted was this subdivision would require Suffolk County Planning
Commission' s review.
On motion made by Mr. Mullen., seconded by Mr. Latham, it was
RESOLVED that the Southold Town Planning Board declare itself lead
agency in regard. to the State Enyironmental. Quality Review Act in
the matter of the minor subdivision of Daniel C. Shelley, located
at Cutchogue.
Vote of the Board: Ayes : Raynor, Latham, Mullen, Orlowski
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pg. (26) 4/18/83
On motion made by Mr. Latham, seconded by Mr. Orlowski, it was
RESOLVED that the Southold Town Planning Board declare itself lead
agency in regard to the State Environmental Quality Review Act in
the matter of the minor subdivision of Christos & Christena Verven-
iotis, James & Pota Plevritis & Jbhn & Mary Yianourakis , located at
Southold.
Vote of the Board: Ayes : Raynor, Latham, Mullen, Orlowski
On motion made by Mr. Orlowski, seconded by Mr. Latham, it was
RESOLVED that the Southold Town Planning Board approve the site plan
known as Founders Village/Senior Citizen Community, located on
Youngs Avenue at Southold, for the construction of 92 condominium
units, subject to a one year review and an inspection of the area
prior to the issuance of a Certificate of Occupancy and the following
two conditions :
1. The 12 foot westerly right-of-way to be designated
as a paved weatherproof surface for emergency access
only.
2 . Confirmation from the Southold Fire Commissioners
regarding the number and location of fire hydrants
within this area as being acceptable .
Vote of the Board: Ayes : Raynor, Latham, Mullen, Orlowski
Minor Subdivision Report - On behalf of the Board Members of the
Southold Town Planning Board recognition and thanks were extended to
Mr. Mullen for the extensive minor subdivision report he prepared
which lists all approved subdivisions filed in the office, giving
location of area, approval date and number of lots involved.
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Constantine Georgiopoulos - Correspondence from the Superintendent of
Highways was reviewed. The Secretary was instructed to forward corres-
pondence to Mr. Dean requesting whether he approves the map with re-
gard to the road layout.
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.j'y
pg. (27) 4/18/83
On motion made by Mr. Latham, seconded by Mr. Orlowski, it was
RESOLVED that whereas, a formal application for the approval of a
subdivision plat entitled Edward N. and Marie M. Cartnick located at
Nassau Point was submitted to the Planning Board on July 9, 1982
and, a filing fee in the amount of $50 was paid March 2 , 1983 , and
WHEREAS, a public hearing was held on said subdivision application
and plat at the Town Hall, Southold, New York, on October 18 , 1982 at
7 :30 p.m. , and
WHEREAS, the requirements of the Subdivision Regulations of the Town
of Southold have been met by said subdivision plat and application,
NOW, therefore, be it RESOLVED that the application of .Edward N & Marie
_M. Cartnick. for approval of said subdivision plat prepared by
Roderick Van Tuyl, P.C. dated April 9, 1983 be approved and the
chairman be authorized to endorse approval on said subdivision plat.
Vote of the Board: Ayes : Raynor, Latham, Mullen, Orlowski
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On motion made by Mr. Mullen, seconded by Mr. Orlowski, it was
RESOLVED that the Southold Town Planning Board reiterate to the
Town Board that consideration be given to place a "hold" on all "M"
Zones within the township, or upzone the areas to twice the present
restrictions if the Town Board cannot agree with a "hold" on pending
"M" Zones .
Vote of the Board: Ayes : Raynor, Latham, Mullen, Orlowski
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Being no further business to come before the Board, Mr. Latham made a
motion to adjourn, seconded by Mr. Orlowski and carried. Meeting
adjourned 10: 10 p.m.
R spectfully submitted,
Susan E. ong, Sec tary
Southold Town Planing Board
Henry E.0
. Raynor, Jr!, Chai an
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RECEIVED AND FILED BY
THE SOUTHOLD TOWN CLERK
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