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HomeMy WebLinkAboutPB-02/09/1987 P D T LD S Y Southold, N.Y. 11971 (516) 765-1938 PLANNING BOARD MINUTES The Southold Town Planning Board held a regular meeting on Monday, February 9, 1987 at the Southold Town Hall; Main Road, Southold, NY 11971 Present were: Chairman Bennett Orlwoski,Jr. Member William F. Mullen, Jr. Member Richard Ward Member G. Ritchie Latham Executive Administrator Victor Lessard Planner James Bryer Secretary Diane M. Schultze Absent: Member Kenneth Edwards 7:30 p.m. Public hearing on the questionof approval of the preliminary maps for the major subdivision in the cluster concept of Henry Appel located at Ole Jule lane, Mattituck, for 7 lots on 15.3 acres. Mr. Orlowski: Good Evening, I would like to call this meeting to order, the first order of business is a public hearing on the questin of approval of the preliminary maps for the major subdivision in the cluster concept r for Henry Appel lcoated at Mattituck. We have proofof publication in the Long Island Traveler Watchman signed by Pat Woods and notorized by Barbara Forbes, we have proof of publication in the Suffolk Times, signed by Carol Sgarlat and notorized by Mary Deegnan. In review of the file, at this time, everything is in order for the preliminary hearing. And, I will ask if there are any objectsions to this major subdivision. Hearing none, are there any endorsements of this major subdivision. Mr. Danowski: I am here on behalf of the applicant, my name is Pete Danowski. Mr. Appel, his wife has been very seriously ill for a long time and he is unable to make it tonight. The plan speaks for itself I have read the comments that have been addressed to from the Highway Superintendent. Certainly, we will comply with any suggestions regarding drainage. And, we certainly be supportive to do those improvements before those final maps have been prepared. Mr. Orlowski: Is there anyother endorsements of this subdivison? Planning Board Page 2 2/9/87 Mr. Orlwoski: Hearing none. Is there anyone out there neither pro nor con but with information pertianing to this subdivison that would be of interest to the Board? Hearing none, any questions from the Baord? (none) . Okay, being no further questions, I will declare this hearing closed and thank you for coming down. On a motion made by Mr. Mullen, seconded by Mr. Latham, it was RESOLVED that th e Southold Town Planing Board set Monday, February 23, 1987 at 7:30 p.m. at. the Southold Town Hall, as the time and palce for the next regular Planning Board meeting. Vote of the Board: Ayes: Orlowski,Mullen, Latham, Ward On a motion made by Mr. Latham, seconded by Mr. Ward, it was RESOLVED that the Southold Twon Planing Board set Monday, February 23, 1987 at 7:30 p.m. at the Southold Town Hall, as the time and palce for the n public hearing on .the question of approval of the major subdivision of Deborah Edson located at Depot::Lane, Cutchogue. Vote of the Board: Ayes: Orlowski,Mullen, Latham, Ward On a motion made by Mr. Ward, seconded by Mr. Mullen, it was RESOLVED that the Southold Town Planning Board reaffirm the sketch map approval to the minor subdivision of Russell E. and Joan A. Mann located at Southold for 4 lots on 8.3 acres and schedule a public hearing on the question of approval for February 23, 1987 at 7:45 p.m. at the Southold Tonw Hall. Vote of the Board: Ayes: Orlowski,Mullen, Latham, Ward The Board set the follwoing new proposals for a field inspection: 1. McSherry and O'Neill - set off of 2,343 square feet from 12,460 square feet located at Wiggins and Eighth Street, Greenport. 2. James Cross - set off 78,.000 square feet from 28.4 acres at Main Road, Cutchogue. 3. Kay Maunsbach and Helen Leeds - 4 lots on 60 acres (Section I) at Bergen Avenue, Mattituck. 4. Saland and SAn Andres - -4 lots on 25 acres at Main Road, Mattituck. 5. Latham FArms, Inc. - 3 lots:-on 7.9 acres at Orient. Planning Board Page 3 2/9/87 7:45 p.m. Public hearing .on the question of approval of the minor subdivison for Elizabeth Thompson known as "Kings Bay Partners" located at Orient. Mr. Orlowski: Okay, the next order of business, 7:45 p.m. public hearing on the questin of approval of Elizabeth Thompson to be known as "Kings Bay Estates" located at ,Orient, for 4 lots on 25 acres. We have proof of publication in the Suffolk Times, signed by Mary Sgarlata and notorized by Mary Deegnan, and proof of publication in the Long Island Traveler Watchman signed by Pat Woods and notorized by Barbara Forbes. Everything is in order at thies point in time for a public hearing and'_I will ask.-if there are any objections to this subdivision. Hearing none. Are there any endorsements to this subdivison? Hearing none. Is there anyone neither pro nor con but may have information pertinaing to this subdivison which would be of interest to the Board? Ms. Thompson: I would like to begin site construction and request that we proceed simultaneously with the building permits. Mr. Orlowski: You would like to start the development now. Ms. Thompson: Yes. MR. Orlowski: I would let Mr. Lessard answer that question. Mr. Lessard: What utilities are you after. Mr. Thompson: Underground, electric and telephone. Mr. Lessard: You mean on the right of way. It is the desire of the Planning Board to allow you to bring the right of way up to minimum prior to' construction fine. Mr. Orlwoski: Before any building is .done' As far as raod constructin it would have to be up the standards of the inspector before any buiding permits are issued. Any questions from the Board,1 Mr. Ward: Did we ever_;:,gettaresponse from Mr. Tasker onthe agricultural easement. Mr. Orlowksi-I The comments from Mr. Tasker have not come back yet- '.;-I am sure they are forthcoming before any deicisions are made. No further questions,I will declare this hearing closed and thank you for coming. Michael Saragas - Subdivision at Southold The Board reviwed this sketch-: proposal for 10 lots on 20 acres at Old North Road, and County Route 48, Soutold in the cluster concept. It was the .consensus of the Board that a conventional layout or cluster with 40,000 square foot lots would be more favorable to provide more open space. The Baord felt that the cluster as proposed would have no open space benefits to the Town. Planning Board Page 4 2/9/87 BArry Savits: minor subdivisionat Southold The Board reviewedtHie sketchr�map for 4 lots on 12.4 acres at Soundview Avenue, Southold. The Board questioned the existing drive way and if it will be maintained for Lot No. 2. If so, it::was felt that the plotting of Lot NO. 1 would hot"_)be favorable. The Board also questioned if covenants and restrictions would be submitted regarding no further subdivision of Lot NO. 2. ` On aarmotion made byMr. Ward, seconded by Mr. Latham, th&,following action was taken: NEGATIVE DECLARATION Pursuant to Article 8 fo the Envirionmental Conservation Law, State Envirionmental ------------ Quality Review Act and 6NYCRR Part 617, Section 617.10 and Chapter 44 of the Code of the Town of Southodl, notice is hereby given that Southold Town Planig Board as lead agency for the action described below has determined that the project will not' have a sifnificant effect on the environment. DESCRIPTION OF ACTION The minor subdivisin of Henry Domaleski located at Oregon Road, Cutchogue is for 2 lots on 21.2 acres, tax map no. 1000-95-1-p/o 11. The project has been determined not to have a significant effect on the environment for the following reasons: An environmental assessment has been submitted which idicated that no significant adverse effects tot he environment were likely to occur should the project be implemented as planeed. The Suffolk County Department of Health Services has no objection to our designation of lead agency. There is no record of an application to this Department. This subdivision appears to . conform with'..Article 6 of the Suffolk County Sanitary Code. In addition to any application, theset well and test hole datea is required prior touany determination. Because there has been no correspondence from the Department of Environmental Conservation in the alotted time, it is assumed that there are no comments or objections from that agency. The project will meet all the requirements of the COde of the Town of Southold Subdivision of Land Regulations. Vote of the Board: Ayes: Orlowski,Mullen, Latham, Ward Planning Board Page 5 2/9/87 On a:-�imotion made by Mr. Ward, seconded by Mr. latham, it was RESOLVED that the Southold Town ,Planning Board approve the sketch map for the minor subdivisionoof Henry Domaleski located at Oregon Road, Cutchogue, survey dated as amended May 1, 1986 for 2 lots on 21 .277 acres. Vote of the Board: Ayes: Orlowski,Mullen, Latham, Ward Raymond Kerester Mrs. Patricia Moore, Esq. was present to discuss this proposal for 4 lots on 13.9 acres with insufficient width located at North:'.:,Bayview Road and Paradise Point, Southold. It was noted that this proposal is pending before the Board of Appeals a;-)lot width variance and it was-_requested that the Board refer their comments to the Board of Appeals. Mr. Orlwoski: Next we have Raymond Kerester,-.-Board to make recommendation to the Board of Appeals for 4 lots on 31.9 acres with insufficient width located at North Bayview Road and Paradise Point, Southold. There are two building lots up to the Bay and we should go look at it. Does the Board have any comments they would like'ito sent to the Board of Appeals. The Zoning Board would like to know your comments, each lot is 4.6 acres plus and only 150' in width_on the Bay. Is any one here representing Mr. Kerester? Mrs. Moore: Yes. Mr. Or-lwoski: Are these buildng envelopes on Lots No. 1 and 2 right up on the Bay? And on lot No. 3 you have brought them way back. They are using the highest:-.spot on the lot. I would just question access on lot one and two because of the low area. Mr. Ward: Is access through a zero elevation possible? Mr. Orlwoski: Without being able to get in there do you believe that access to the house through zero elevation is possible. Mrss:Moore: It looks like it• is taken close to lot No. 2. Mr. Orlowski: It looks very low. Mrs. Moore: Could create a lot. Mr. Ward: If .you did a cluster you would not need to be at the Board of Appeals. Mrs. Moore: The property owner basically wants to keep 3 to 4 acre lots. The cluster would not create any more open space and the choice of the property owner is before you. Mr. Orlowski: I think we should, let the Zoning Board of Appeals determine the hardship and just question the access,:for the house on Lot No. 1 because it is low. Planning Board Page 6 2/9/87 Mr. Ward: The area of the building envelopes on Lot No. 2 is'')below 10. It will be difficult to build withhout bringing in fill into the lot. Mr. Orlowski: Well, we will submit:--these comments to the Board of Appeals. J 8:00 p.m. Briscoe Smith - Public hearing on the question df approval of the minor subdivision of' Briscoe Smith for 4 lots on 12.3 acres located at Fishers Island. Mr. Orlowski: Okay, the next order of business is a public�,hearing on the question of approval of the minor subdivision of Briscoe Smith for 4 lotsc>on 12.3 acres located at Fisher -.Island. We have proof of publication in the Suffolk Times, signed by Car61.: Sgarlata-and notorized by Mary Deegnan. We have proof ofl-publicatin in the Long Island Traveler Watchman signed by Pat Woods and notorized by Barbara Forbes. Everything is in order for a public hearing. And, I will ask if there are any objections to this subdivision. Hearing none, are there any endorsements to this subdivision. Hearing none, is there anyone out there neither pro. nor con but with information to this subdivision that would be of interest, to this Board. Hearing none, ,any questions from the Board (none) . Okay, I will declare this hearing closed. Michael Adams Subdivision at Peconic Mr. Henry E. Raynor, Jr. , ws prsent for the Board's discussion on this major subdivision located at County Route 48, Peconic. Mr. Orlowski: The Board has to make a recommendation on the location of the road right-of-way for this major subdivision Adams located at Peconic. I believe,Mr. Raynor, agent for the applicant, is present. I believe the last time you were in we asked 'about moving the right-of-way over: to-the westerly side and putting in an east/west spur to be put in somewhere. Mr. Raynor: Mr. Chairman, we have no problem with the east/west spur at all. The problem is the alignment on the west border of the property that creates a real problem for the applicantin that he has just finished planting vineyards from 48 north about 1200' . We would ask that the right`=of-way going into the cluster development be retained so that there is an aesthtic opening into that subdivsion and maintain the vineyard as it is set. Mr. Orlowski: Is the Barn noted on the westerly side still existing. Mr. Raynor: There were several buildings that were beyond repair that have vbeen taken_'down.The westerlyside also contains a small home, that is to be refurbished. Mr. Orlowski: The two story home is to be moved. Mr. Raynor:: Yes, eventually, it will be moved. Planning Board Page 7 2/9/87 Mr.' ..Raynor; The thought on behalf of the applicant was that you continue to plant northof the power line, the idea was to buffer the west boundary. If you find these important, I would suggets that you take action on the sketch plan with this subdivision so we may proceed. Mr. Orlowski: We would like to see the east/west road onthe sketch prior to action. Mr. Raynor: That is no problem at all, I will have the engineers work on it. Mr. Orlowski: With regard to the right of way, what is the Board's pleasure. I have inspected the site, and there are grapes planted there. The house to he moved will'.-,be torn down or moved. Mr. Raynor: I can't answer you at this point. I think the option is to remove it. The applicant's staff would probalby be living there during the time of construction. Mr. Orlowski: Would it be easier to remove some grapes than a house. We are-,not in..a -,position to approve the sketch until the east/west road is shown. Mr. Raynor: Is there a location--.-you wold like to have the east/,-west road at as far::as::the overall plan. Mr. Orlowski: Leave that up to the engineer and surveyor and we would like to see it on the map so that we can get out and take a look at it and see how the alignment comes withthe property. ,On a motion made by Mr. Ward, seconded by Mr. Latham, the following:: action-:was. taken: NEGATIVE DECLARATION Pursuant to Article 8 of the Environmenatl Conservation law, State Envrionmental Quality Review Act and CNYCRR Part 617, Sectin 617.10 and Chapter 44 of the Code of the Town of Southold, notice-is hereby given that Soutohld`_Town Planning Board as lead agency for the action described below has determined that the project will not have a significant effect on the environment. DESCRIPTION OF ACTION The minor subdivision of Frank Strakosch is for a lot line change located at Fred Street, New Suffolk to convey 2,237 square feet from the existing house lot to the adjoining vacant lot. 1000-117-4-20 and 21. The project has been determined not to have a significant effect on the environment for the following reasons: An environmental assessment has been submitted which indicated that no significant adverse effects to the envirionmen were likely to occur should the project be implemented as planned. Planning''Poard '''`' Page 8 2/9/87 Becuase there has been no correspondence received from the Suffolk County Department of Health Services in the alotted time, it is assumed that there are no comments or objections from that agency. Because there has been no correspondence received from the NYS Department of Environmental Conservation in the alotted time, it is assumed that there are no comments or objections from that agency. The project will meet all the requirements of the Code of the Town of Southold Subdivision of Land Regulations. Vote of the Board: Ayes: Orlowski,Mullen, Latham, Ward On a motion made by Mr. Ward, seconded by Mr. Latham, it was RESOLVED that the Southold Town Planning Board approve the lot line change for Frank Sfrakosh located at New Suffolk to convey 2,237 square feet from the existing house lot to the adjoining vacant lot. Vote of the Board: Ayes: Orlowski, Mullen, Latham, Wardre'1.1 Thorton Smith major subdivision at Mattituck Mr. Niel Smith and Mr. Howard Young were present for the Board' review of this proposal for 35 lot son 88 acres at Sound Avenue, Mattituck. Mr. Orlwoski: The Board's biggest problem is the one access in and out, where you have quite a few lots onthat one access. We did want to get out with Highway Superintendent- and Engineer and with the weather we have:snot been able to. We wanted to see about another access somewhere. But on top of that you also have a transfer of alnd here which also.-.: sets this parcel deeper-:-into the subdivision with only one access. Mr. Young: We are here looking for recommendations on how to proceed with this. It the intent that Mr. Simicich:-.arid':Mr. Smith exchange some properties we would like that affectuated,"first... I-_thiiik ta. that is clear, Mr. Smith picks up some-woodland and it is developed nicely for residential purposes up in the northeast corner of the property and MKr. Simchich wouTdr,get an exchange in farm and the corner piece of property where he might have grapes. I believe Mr. Simicch would also leave the open space. That is one of the reasons for the road configuration. Certainly, we can provide additional access for this property at Bergen Avenue, which would not lend itself well to'--the agricultural use.that we would like to put that land to. I believe that we serve the intent of the code by the two accesses we leave to-the property to'Ahe east. You will have other:�access as the other properties are developed. Planning Board Page 9 2/9/87 Mr. Young: It is the Board's perogative, if you feel that this is a good plan. Certainly this is not a hazardous situation and we have provided two tap streets on the property. I think we are trying to leave this westerly portion open as a green belt and for agricultural purposes. That;.-is the best part of the road for sight 'alignment. Also, I don't know if you have been party to it, but I have discussions with an engineering firm, abot the proposal to realign Sound Avenue. Mr.Orlwoski: We have heard about it, but no one has contacted this Board. Mr. Young: Well, the highway department with state or federal funds. They have called me various time, asking fort-this plan and how this proejct may aid them in the development of;,the drainage facilities. And, I told them as far as I knew Mr. Smith would cooperate in any way. Certainly, we are here to explore alternate means of access. One of the major things here is trying to preserve open space. I think this makes a great buffer for the flat land to the west land. Mr. Orlowski: Well, the Board is defenitely not in favor of 35 lots with one access road. That we don't want. We would -like to see something worked out with,:an other ingress and egress. It would_'_look like it would have to be on Bergen Avenue, because looking at it over here, it looks to be impossible. I still question this here without any stakes. Mr. Young: That is pretty easy, the:>poles show up, but I will put some stakes here. Mr. Orlowski: I don't think that is great. Mr. Young: We could bend this out to Bergen Avenue. This::is::the prime agricultural land. It wouldn't be the first time this Board created lots with only one access. Mr. Ward: There is no way to get back onto Sound Avenue. Mr. Young: There is quite a depression here and poor site alignment. We could do a boulevard type road. Two entrances side by side. Mr. Orlowski: I think we should site down with Mr. Jacobs and come up with some thing. Mr. Young I think this is. a very good concept. Mr. Ward: Do you have topos of that area? Mr. Young; Not as good. Mr. Ward: Well, if this ends up being the only way we can get access, maybe propose for the future what could be done. Mr. Young: I would be happy to meet'-with-the Board and discuss this. Mr.. Orlowski: Well, with Mr. Jacobs too. There is enough room for a second;_access. Mr. Young; Okay. Planning Board Pgae 10 2/9/87 8:15 p.m. Public hearing to consider amending the subdivision regulations with regard to the filing fee for set off applications. Filing fee currently $50; proposed for $250. Mr. Orlwosk : The next order of business is a public hearing on the__question of aprpoval,.�oft:amending the subdivision regulations with regard to the filing fee for set off applications. Filing Fee is currently $50 and we are proposing $250. We have proof of publication in the Suffolk Tiems, signed by Carol Sgarlata and notorized ,by MaryyDeegnan. And, also, we have proof of publication in the Longo Island Traveler Watchman signed by Pat Woods and notorized by Barbara Forbes. At this time, I will'—;—, ask if there are any obJections to this increase. Hearing none. Are there any endorsements of this increase. Hearing none. The Board is endorsing this because basically this turns out to be a two lot minor and it is a simple process in which we allow some people to set off a piece of property one time only and a minor subdivision is $200 per lot and at set off only being $50 is somewhat unbalanced. And, it cuts the Board short when it comes to budget time. So, we would like to increase it and that is:'.the:t,reason for it. Being no -further questions, I will declare this hearing closed and thank you-:.for.o Southold Shopping Centeri: ° The Board will forward their comments to the applicant with regard to this proposal for a retail shopping center located at County Route 48, Southold. 8:45 p.m. Mr. Donald Grim was present for a presubmission conference to discuss the site plan for an office buildng located at Oregon Road, Cutchogue. An application--1-for this proposal is also pending before the Board of Appeals. Mr. Orlowski: We have Mr. Grim, with regard to his site plan. Mr. Grim: I would like to put up an office building for the business which I am running on my property. Mr. Orlwoski: This will be a two story? Mr. Grim: Yes. Mr. Bryer: What will be in the office, will there be any retail stores. Mr. Grim: It is just for office, for some girls and a whole mess of file cabinets. On a motion amde by Mr. Ward, seconded by Mr. Latham, it was RESOLVED that the Southold Town Planning Board refer the site plan for Donald Grim located at Oregon Road, Cutchogue for construction of a two story office to the Buiding Department for certification, site plan dated as amended December 5, 1986. Vote of the Board: Ayes: Orlowski,Mullen, Latham, Ward Planning Board Page 11 2/9/87 On a motion made by Mr. Ward, seconded byMr. Latham, it was RESOLVED that the Southold Town Planning Board recommend to the Town Board that the change of zone request for Calabrese and Pugliese from "A" to "B" located at Main Road, Cutchogue be denied for the following reasons: 1. This proposal is inconsistent with the existing and proposed zoning maps. 2. There is a grade school in close proximity to the site of the proposed zone change. Vote of the Board: Ayes: Orlowski,Mullen, Latham, Ward On a motion made by Mr. Mullen, seconded by Mr. Latham, it was RESOLVED that the Southold Town Planning Board fefer the site plan of Village of Southold Shopping Center for construction of an addition on on existing betail store located at County Route 48, Southold to-ithe Building Department forccertification. Site plan dated as revised January 5, 1987 with supplemental site plan and landscape plan. Vote of the Board: Ayes: Orlowski,Mullen, Latham, Ward On a motion made by Mr. Mullen, seconded by Mr. Latham, it was RESOLVED that the Southold Town Planning Board refer the site plan for the Suffolk Times for construction of a business office for the Suffolk Times and News Review located at Mattituck to the Building Department for certification. Survey datd as amended January 29, 1987. Vote of the Board: Ayes: Orlowski,Mullen, Latham, Ward 8:45 p.m. Mr. James Cron, Esq. was present to discuss the site plan for Nicholas Petikas for construction of a restaurant located at Greenport. This was the pre-submission for this site plan. Mr. Orlwoski: Next, Mr. Jim Cron has scheduled a presubmisson-;iconference to discuss the site plan-_Nicholas Petikas for construction of a restaurant located at Greenport. Mr. Cron: Good evening. I .think on the outset, it is important to note that this particular plan has undergone a number of revisions. The plan before you involves only the light business property. I think orignially Mr. Hall in at least one revision thereafter anticipated one use to the west which is A residential. That is not the case_;with this site plan, there-.:will be no use of any of the property other than on the site plan as submitted.. Mr. Orlowski: WULtAs left will be residential? Planning Board Page 12 2/9/87 Mr. Cron: Well, the piece that is left will be used for whatever zoning allows it to be used for. There no anticipated use at the present time. Mr. Orlowski: Okay, does the Board have any comments before we make a field inspection:.on this. Mr Bryer. Mr. Bryer: That is all one piece right now, right. Mr. Cron: That is correct. As far as the A residential and the other. Mr. Bryer: The A and the B::: Mr. Cron: It is two. different zones. Mr. Bryer: I know it is zoned differently, but it is one lot. Mr. Cron: Well, it has a common owner. Mr. Bryer: Right, but what I am saying is it is not two separate parcels. Mr. Cron: There are two separate tax bills. Mr. Bryer: It is merged. Mr. Cron: Well, you have the different zonings so it can't merge. The January 9 should be the latest map. Mr. Bryer: I think there was an entrance down on County Route 48? Mr. Cron: Sound Road. Mr. Bryer: It is right next to the intersection. Mr. Ward: So there will be no 239 from',::the County.- 'Mr. Cron: No, I think it wil be much more practible. Mr. Bryer: At one time there was an entrance within 50' . Mr. Orlowski: What type of restaurant will this be? Mr. Cron: Well., it will actually be a snack bar. Mr. Petikas would be in a better position to tell you what he will use if for. Mr. Petikas: It will be s fast food snack bar, souvalecki and greek food, summer only. Mr. Orlowski: Do you have any building elevations? Mr. Cron: No, not as of this date. Mr. Orlowski: Okay, we will conduct a field inspection;-land get back to you. Planning Board. Page 13 2/9/87 On a motion made by Mr. Ward, seconded by Mr. Mullen, it was RESOLVED that the Southold Town Planning Board approve the preliminary maps for the major subdivision of Papadopoulos and Maragos located at Kenney's Road, Southold0for 5 lot son 14.3 acres, survey dated December 10, 1986, subject to: 1. Examining the location of the 50' unencumbered right-of-way. Vote of the Board: Ayes: Orlowski,Mullen, Latham, Ward Kenneth and Margaret STrachan The Board will hold action on this minor subdivision following a public hearing since the comments from the Suffolk County Planning Commission have not been received. Mr Ward, who was present at that meeting, stated that the County did take action. However, the Board was not in receipt of their comments. On a motion made by Mr. Ward, seconded by Mr. Latham, 'the-..,following action was taken: NEGATIVE DECLARATION Pursuant to Article 8 of the Environmental Conservation Law, State Environmental Quality Review Act and 6NYCRR Part 617, Section 617.10 and Chapter 44 of the Code of the Town of Soutold, notice is hereby given that Southold Town Planning Board as lead agency for the-action described below has determined that the project will not have a significant effect on the enviroinment. DDESCRIPTION OF ACTION )The major subdivision of "Bayview Grove" located at Reydon Drive, Southold is for 7 lots on 13.98 acres in the cluster concept, tax map no. 1000-79-5-16. The project has been determined not to have a significant effect on the environment for the following reasons: An environmental assessment has been submitted which indicated that no significant adverse effects to the environment wer likely to occur should the project be implemented as planned. Because there has been no correspondence received from the Suffolk County Department of Health Services in::the1.alotted time, it is assumed that there are no comments or objections from that agency. Because there has been no correspondence received from the NY STate Department of Environmental Conservation in the alotted time, it is assumed that there are no comments or objection sfrom that agency. The Project will meet all the .requirements of the Code of the town-.,,-of Southold Subdivision of Land Regulations. Vote of the Board: Ayes: Orlowski,Mullen, Latham, Ward Planning Board Page 14 2/9/87 Mr. Joseph Shipman was prsent for a pre-submission conference to discuss the amended site plan for construction of a storage building located at Main Road, laurel to be an accessory building--to the existing business of "Shamrock Tree" Mr. Orlowski: Next, we have Joseph Shipman urho has scheduled a presubmission conference to discuss the site plan for a storage building at Laurel1:: -:.-. Mr. Shipman: I am proposing a 35' x 50' wood frame building in the rear of Sharock Tree business, next to the car wash in Mattiutck. This building will be the same size as the existingoone. Mr. Ward: I question the site plano6 lements. Mr. Orlwoski: The access to the original building which we did approve will be the access to this buidling. Mr. Shipman: It will''�be equipment storage for the building, the driveway is inthe back. Mr. Ward: Access through the driveway? Mr. Shipman: It is all gravel to the building. Mr. Orlowski: You have to show access to the building. Mr. Shipman: There is nothing in that area, it is all vacant. I will show some lines on the site plan if that is what you need. Mr. Ward: Will any more drainage be required? Mr. Shipman: The drainage is there on the front of the--)property. Mr. Orlwoski: Is there an-old foundation. Mr. Shipman: I'::waga.igoirig-.to_±use it, but found I couldn't. Mr. Mullen: I wouldlike to take a look at it. Mr. Orlwoski Show some lines for the driveway. The Board will make a field insepcton and advise you. Please have Mr. Van Tuyl show all the site plan elements as well. On a motion made by Mr. Mullen, seconded by Mr. Ward, it was RESOLVED that the Southold town Planning Board, following an inspection, recommend to the Building Department tht the North.L'Fork Bank at Cutchogue, and the North Fork Bancorporation Offices at Mattituck have complied with the approved site plans and are� iiinorder for a certificate of occupancy. Vote of the Board: Ayes: Orlowski,Mullen, Latham, Ward Planning Board Page 15 2/9/87 On a motion made by Mr. Ward, seconded by Mr. Latham, it was RESOLVED that the Southold town Planning Board approve the set off for Sanders and Schwart to set off 36,000 square feet from 1.45 acres located at Bayview Avenue, Mattituck subject to reciept of Article 6 approval from the Suffolk County Department of Health Services. Vote of the Board: Ayes: Orlowski,Mullen, Latham, Ward On a motion made by ,Mr. Latham, seconded by Mr. Mullen, it was RESOLVED that the Southold Town Planning Board approve the,-.set off of Helmut Hass located at County Route 48, Peconic to set off 28,935 square feet from 49,709 square feet, survey dated as amended December 29, 1986 subject to: 1. Consideration of the review of the Suffolk County Planing Commission._ Vote of the Board: Ayes: Orlowski,Mullen, Latham, Ward On a motion made by Mr. Mullen, seconded by Mr. Latham it was RESOLVED that the Southold Town Planning Board recommend to the Town Board that the request for a return of the inspection fee for the subdivision known as "BLue Horizons be denied based on the enclosed chronological list of events. Vote of the Board: Ayes: Orlowski,Mullen, Latham, Ward On a motion made by Mr. Ward, seconded by Mr. Latham, the following action was taken: NEGATIVE DECLARATION Pursuant to Article 8 of the, Environmental Conservation Law, State Environmental . Quality Review Act and 6NYCRR Part 617, Section 617.10 and Chapter 44 of the Code of the Town of Southold, notice is hereby given that Southold Town Planning Board as lead agency for the action described below has determined that the project will not hav a significant effect on the environment. DESCRIPTION OF ACTION The minor subdivision of Howard Hoey is for 4 lots on 38 acres located at Main Road, Orient. The project has been determined not to haev a significant effect on the environment for the following reasons: Planning Board _.. Page 16 2/9/87 An enviroinmental assessment has been submitted which indicated that no significant adverse effects to the environment were likely to occur should the project be impelmented as planned. Because there ahs been no correspondence from the Suffolk County Deaprtment of Health Services, in the alotted time, it is assumed that there are no comments or objections from that agency. Becasue ther has been no correspondence from the NYS Department of Envirionmental Conservation in theralotted time, it is assumed that there are no comments or objections from that agency. The project will meet all the requiremets of teh Code of the Town of Southodl Subdivision of Land Regualtions. Vote of the Board: Ayes: Orlowski,Mullen, Latham, Ward Mr. Harold Reese, applicant, was present for the review by the Board of the proposal known as Cove Beach Associates ,at East Marion. Mr. Howard Young, surveyor,was also present. Mr. Reese: At the suggestionobf-the Planning Board we submitted a yield map and if there are any,,-questions, , I would be happy - to answer them. Mr. Orlowski: Okay, Mr. Bryers you reviewed the yield map and had some questions on it. Mr. Bryers: Okay, first, question on the wetlands. The, all I could really add up is what you have up here, 135, 000 square feet and you had shown on another. map, I guess on one of your, one other map,, Mr. Young: Three or four acres of wetlands. Mr. Bryer: 173, 978 square feet of wetlands, I am just looking for that other 35 , 000 square feet. Mr. Young: I have to review it. I think .we have scaled areas here and that is probably a more accurate line. 30 , 000 square feet. We do have a little bit of wetlands over in this area as well. That is certainly 35, 000 , butt:I certainly. . . my numbers are so high on the upland portion of that lhdonit think it will be that important, but I will re-do those areas. Mr. Bryer: The only problem I have is that there are some wetlands down in that area. Down someplace by plot A or j something. Mr. Young: These weren' t counted before.' Mr. Bryer: T},Just :want---to make sure that they are not in an area where a lot, will loose where a :lot will loose enough square footage. Planning Board Page 17 2/9/87 Mr. Young: I will review this, but I am sure that the upland area in those four lots that are in- question. I have a problem withca couple of the lots, lots, actually 4 of them: 78, 17, and 37. Ih relation to topography. Mr. Young: In these areas? Mr. Bryer: Yes, there is real bad topography and Section 106-35A, because I have it in front df me, I could not go offthe top. of my head. It---says as a Planning Board we can look at that as a potential problem. I have not been out there in a while. As this layout compared to. . . Mr. Young: Certainly, if you know the reason that this is disturbed is that this was. a.':sand:.mine. We can certainly put that back in-.some kind of shape if that makes it habitable. The topography on here, I am sure that we can get a building permit right on the road here. There.- is...-.a considerable building envelope there<:and we could certainly submit a grading plan that would accomplish a buildable, this is just sand that could be pushed around, j zst::Aa ;matterodf bulldozing. MR. Bryer: The other question -1-had for a while and I talked;: to Mr. Tasker and never got an answer on it is. In a conventional subdivision youjare supposed to have a park and:i,playground and it is not shown. I knownyou can have that in lieu of, you can have the money. But I don' t know if on .a conventional subdivision, I've asked him thisaa few times, if it has to be shown on the standard plan. Because on this area, we may ask for or require a park and playground, depending on where it is in relation to the Town anddthe whole bit. Mr. Young: We certainly have the land to do it. If it is a requirement, we haves:a lot of extra land here. Mr. Bryer: Well, I didn' t know if it would reduce a lot or not. Mr. Young: No, it is certainly not going to reduce a lot, where at the rate of 5 acres for every 100 families, so you get less than two acres , about two acresd Mr. Bryer: For a park and playground. That was all, I really had. I had a question on the tidal wetlands. This area is tidal osier here. DEC will flag that. Mr. Young: Yes , we did it already. We had it on the,.-;previous application with thec. ofig"ihal Cove Beach application. That was where that area came up. Mr. Bryer: This line is from the DEC? Planning Board Page 18 2/9/87 Mr. Young: Yes , they are, they were staked by an environmental — ---- consultant and reviewed by the. DEC and accepted by them. That is not on here, not on phis map, but that can be transferred on it.,. They don' t do it anymore. They ask us to do it and they will review it. BLit, in any case, they did review the wetlands, in fact they made a change a little bit. It has been done, I can put that on. The park is something that you will have to decided. Mr. Orlowski: Any other comments? Mr. Latham; Too many lots on one road. Mr. Orlowski: I don' t see any way to get another access here either. Mr. Young: We have 70 some odd feet. . . . Mr. Reese: 88 feet, on the Main Highway Mr. Young; 88 feet. of tbad;'".ftontage-II-.;,.We discussed this before, I believerwe have the tap street here for the subdivision. to. the West which you approved as a minor subdivision and I think, eentually and hopefully that would be an orderly development of streets-which you could pull out onto Stars Blvd. Saying those things are happening and we could cause the plan access Mr. Young: to the adjacent properties where and if required the Board in their review there. Mr. Ward: Could we do Section I and Section I1 and do 20 lots now and leave room for a future connection if it goes through. Mr. Young: We could do some sections but I think we want to get to the waterfront. Mr. Ward: You could get to the- waterfront but you would. . Iinaudible) until you have your other access. Mr. Young: When would that be, that may be forever or never. Mr. Ward: I don' t know. Mr. Young: No, I am asking you. Mr. Watd: I dohl-t know. We are mentioning. . . MR. Young: Those things could happen. Mr. Ward: Yes, what I am saying is why don' t you put your twenty lots,'-dn ,,-now and when it happens. ., . Mr. Young: WEll, this Board has approved 100 and some lots with one access. Planning Board Page 19 2/9/87 Mr. Orlowski: We don' t do it any more. - — Mr Young; This Planning Board. Mr. Ward: Not with me. Mr. Young: No, not with you, but I ami:jus.t saying the same ,set of regulations. You did a year ago. i Mr. Orlowski: Which one. Mr. Young: You did it ;Iwitha:Pebble-,iBeach, you did it with the one I just finished, Golden View. Two that we fast did. Pebble Beach is 100 and some lots. Mr. Mullen: When you say this Board I assume you mean,,.:. . Mr. Young: Southold Town Planning Board. Mr. Mullen: Not us. Mr. Young: I don' t know who approved Golden View Estates. We are asking you to waive that requirement because we don' t have an alternative. The Planning Board approved the subdivsion of this land with 59 lots or 54 lots a year ago. Mr. Orlowski: We just did 34 . Mr. Young: You did just approve this for Cove Beach Associates up to final approval and then Billy Joel bought and it had preliminary and final approval with conditions, the same piece of property. Mr. Orlowski: And it came back with 34. Mr. Young: I am not arguing that, I am just saying you did approve it. Mr. Orlwoski: As I told Mr. Reese before, the Board is questioning it. Mr. Young: I understand that. Mr. Orlowski: By code we can do anything we want but by code it Is 20 . And, we went over and over it and it has been here for a long long time, the last we granted sketch for 34 lots. I am not sure that we wanted to do that but we did. I think the Board still wants 34 lots. The yield map is questionable we see?.forrsureLwe._,cah-_take off two maybe three on total yield, you have an approved sketch map already. Y Planning Board Page 20 2/9/87 Mr. Young: I am not arguing anything that has happened before, buti_f�-ty.o;usay you can, take off two or three lots, I would be glad to respond with an alternate layout, because=your cluster calculation has been done, pursuant to your ordinance. Mr. Orlowski; ; Where. Mr.Young If I am doing a yield map and you have critisim about a yield maple-t me have a chance to revise it. Mr. Orlowski: Well, you are over twenty lots on one ingress and egress. Mr. Young: I know that. Mr. Orlwoski: So, if you want to do Mr. Ward' s suggestion and do 20 lots now }.and then. . . Mr. Young: Well, I am not the owner, but-if you::have faults with the cluster plan, the standard plan or the yield mapii . I would like a chance to respond to that. I am sure that I can 4et the yield. Mr. uReese :_- .What;_pis_therpurpose ofc: asking-_f©rgatyield mapve 17 Mr. Orlowski: I believe that at the last meeting we asked for a yield map, we questioned it. Mr. Reese: Doesn' t this map tell us what you wanted to know. Mr. Orlowski: It tells us something. But, we still feel with a yield map with34 lots that this was a good layout. I will question the- Board. What is the Board' s pleasure, what are Mr. Orlowski: you willingvto q9 along with. Mr. Ward: My personal feeling is (inaudible) Mr. Reese: (inaudible) Mr. Orlowski: Two wrongs don' t make a right. Mr. Reese: If . . inaudible. Mr. Young: I am just _saying it is not the first time. You have a set of subdivision regulations witha paragraph at the end that gives you alternatives to. . . (iaudible) you have thatTright. This is a very unique piece of land with only 66 ' to. . . (naudible) Mr. Reese: =(inaudible) Mr. Orlowski: well the best one is that we are letting it go from 20 to 34 it appears from polling the Board that it is only going to be 20 or 34 . Y . w Planning Board Page 21 2/9/87 Mr. Reese: Iddon' t understand. . Mr. Orlowski: I explained that at the last meeting, we explained that the yield map would yield Chat,.;much. Mr. Reese: Well, if we say that it does. Mr. Orlowski: Have Mr. Young give us another access. Mr. Young: We don' t have any other land to get other access . Mr. Orlowski: Gazza Mr. Young: That is the one that you guys told .us to stay away from. ,_.'_;i:% ..'_:-.. .t:'i.�'_.,._..;±s;.�_Li_,.._:r _._� >c-:,,�Y.��k'-4C,;"x, ��'f•,3ct,x:.'x. Mr. Peter Danowski, Esq. questiondd, the Board with regard to the applidation for Helen Dris. It was noted tthat the_�'Board had not inspected the property. Being no further business to come before the Board, on a motion-7:.made by Mr. Mullen, seconded by Mr. Latham, and carreid, the meeting was adjourned at 9:35 p.m. Respectfully submitted, eis �ia .ne�:M. Schultze, Secretary Southold Town Planning Board Bennett Orlowski, Jr. , Cha' man RECEIVED AND FILED BY THE SOUTH OLD TO'Vrld CLEF DATE HOUR ro:saA.M Town Clerk, Town�ofSou old