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Southold, N.Y. 11971
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PLANNING BAOARD MINUTES
JANUARY` 12, 1987
The Planning Board held a regular meeting on January 12, 1987
at 7: 30 p.m. at the Southold Town Hall, Main Road, Southold,
NY.
Present were:
Chairman Bennett Orlowski, Jr.
Member Willam F.Mullen, Jr.
Member Richard G. Ward
Member Kenneth Edwards
Executive Adminsitrator Victor Lessard
Planning Consultant James Bryer
Planning Board Secretary Diane M. Schultze
Absent: G. Ritchie Latham, Jr.
7: 30 p.m. Public hearing on the question of approval of the
preliminary maps for the major subdivision of Papadopoulos
and Maragos located at Kenney' s Road, Southold for 5 lots
on 14 acres.
Mr. Orlowski: First order of business is a public hearing
on the question of approval of the preliminary maps for the
major subdivision of Papadopoulos and Maragos located at Kenney' s
Road, Southold for 5 lots on 14 acres. In review of the file
everything is in order. We have proof of publication in the
Suffolk Times, signed by Carol Sgarlata and notorized by Mary
Deegnan. And, also proof of publicationin the LongIsland
Traveler Watchman signed by Pat Woods and notorized by Barbara
Forbes. As I said everything in the file is in order and
I will ask if there are any objections to this subdivision,
hearing are there any endorsements of this major subdivision?
Mr. Bruer: Yes, Rudolph Bruer, on behalf of Mr. Maragos and
Mr. Papadopoulos who are here. We state that we believe that
we have complied with your letter of the meeting of the 23rd
of October. This has been before the Board since April of
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1985 and I think we have complied with all your requirements
and to get into it any more would be redundant and I would
just like to repeat all our prior arguments and ask that
the Board grant approval to this subdivision.
Mr. Orlowski: Okay, any other endorsements.:of this subdivision?
Hearing none, any one else neither pro nor con but may have
information pertaining to this subdivision that would be
of interest to the Board? Hearing none. Any questions from
the Board? Mr. Mullen, (none) Mr. Ward (none) ; Mr. Edwards,
(none) ; Mr. Bryers . (none) . Okay, being no further questions,
I will declare this hearing closed and thank you for coming down.
Mr. Bruer: Thank you very much for hearing us.
On a motion made by Mr. Edwards, seconded by Mr. Ward, it was
RESOLVED that the Southold Town Planning Board set Monday,
February 2, 1987 at the Southold Town Hall, Main Road, Southold
as the time and..'place for the next regular Planning Board
Meeting.
Vote of the Board: Ayes: Orlowski, Mullen, Edwards, Ward
On a motion made by Mr. Mullen, seconded by Mr. Ward, it was
RESOLVED that the Southold Town Planning Board approve the
minutes of the regular meeting of August 4, 1986 .
Vote of the Board: Ayes : Orlowski, Mullen, Edwards, Ward
On a motion made by Mr. Edwards, seconded by Mr. Ward, it was
RESOLVED that the Southold Town Planning Board approve the
minutes of the regular meeting of August 25, 1986.
Vote of the Board: Ayes: Orlowski,Mullen, Edwards, Ward
Michael Saragas - 10 lots on 20 acres at Old North Road and
County Route 48 , Southold. It was the consensus of the Board
to conduct a field inspection of the premises prior to. any
further action.
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Barry Savits - The Board set this new proposal for 4 lots on 12.4 acres
at Sound view Avenue, Southold for a field inspection.
On a motion--made by Mr. Edwards, seconded byMr. Ward, it was
RESOLVED that the Southold Town Planning Board declare itself lead agency
under the State Envirionmental Quality Review Act for the minor subdivision
of Barry Sagts located at Sound View Avenue, Southold for 4 lots on 12.4
acres. An initial determination ;of non significance has been made.
Vote of the Board: Ayes: Orlowski, Mullen, Edwards, Ward
Henry Domaleski - The Board set this new proposal for 2 lots on 21 acres
at Oregon Road, Cutchogue for a field inspection. Prior action on -.this
parcel was also discuss ed and it was decided that this would be researched
further.
On a motion made by Mr. Mullen, seconded by Mr. Ward, it-.was
RESOLVED that the Southold Town Planning Board declare itself lead agency
under the State Envi.roinmental Quality Review Act for the.minor subdivision
of Henry Domaleski located at Oregon Road, Cutchogue for 2 lots on 21.277
acres. An initial determination of non-significance has been made.
Vote of the Board; Ayes: Orlowski, Mullen, Edwards, Ward
Raymond Kerester - The Board set this new proposal for 3 lots on 13.9
acres at North Bayview Road, Southold for a field inspection.
On a motion made by Mr. Mullen, seconded by Mr. Ward, it was
RESOVLED that teh Southold Town Planning Board declare themselves lead
agency under the State Environmental Quality Review Act for the minor
subdivision of Raymond Kerester for 3 lots on 13.9 acres at North Bayview
Road and Paradise Point, Southold.
Vote of the Board: Ayes: Orlowski, Mullen, Edwards, Ward
Michael Adams - The Board reviewed this propsoal for 23 lots on 52 acres
in the cluster concept located at County Route 48, Peconic. Mr. Raynor,
the agent for the applicant was present.
Mr. Orlowski: The one comment we had was locating the right-of-way closer
to the westerly side of the property just in case in some point in :time,
there may •-be :future development on that other property, we can merge these
together somehow.
Mr: Raynor: If we were to follow the Baord's suggestion that they give
some idea as to the configuration of the lots.
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Mr. Orlowski: Well, the road could come up and curve over. The Board
made a drawing while we were out in the field.
.Mr. Ward: • This is also an area where we are looking for the East/West
road.
Mr Raynor: I was hoping this would be brought up, this was purposely
omitted so we could see what suggestions the Board may have for circulation.
If you have an -area delineated by lot numbers we would be glad to incorporate
it , there is more than sufficient area to accomodate this.
Mr. Orlowski: Do you have any comments, Mr. Bryer.
Mr. Bryer: The length of the cul-de-sac without a secondary means of egress
was the one comment. I think it is 1200' feet,if I am not correct.
Mr. Raynor; Tell me a location that you would like a tie in and we would
be more than happy to accomadate the Board. If you-, have a sketch that
you would like to propose, we would be. more than happy to accomodate
the Board, this is a map that is underyielded.
Mr. Orlowski: That is okay.
Mr. Ward: Potential is there and hopefully will start picking up some
property for the east/west road.
Mr. Raynor: I don't know..whether the Greenfield minor to the east has
drawn a spur to the westerly border.
Mr. Bryer; We will check that subdivison.
Mr. ,Raynor: If you feel it should go further to the south for a primary
access that is fine.
Mr. Orlowski: Okay, does ,the Board have any other questions? We,will
give you a sketch and a covering letter with our recommendations.
Mr. Raynor: Okay, we will be happy to accomodate the Board.
7:45 p.m. Public hearing on the question of..approval of the minor subdivision
for Kenneth and Margaret Strachan located at King Street, Orient for 3
lots on 16.8 acres.
Mr. Orlowski: Next, we have a public hearing on the question of approval
of the .minor subdivision for Kenneth and Margarat Strachan located at
King Street, Orient, 3 lots on 16.8 acres. We have. proof of publication
in the Suffolk Times signed by Carol Sgarlata and notorized by Mary Deegnan.
We also have proof of publication in the Long Island Traveler Watchman
signed by Pat Wood and notorized by Barbara Forbes. Everything is in
order for the public hearing. And, I will ask if there are any objections
to theis subdivison? Hearing .none. Are ther any endorsements of this
subdivison? Heariing none. Is there anyone out there neither pro nor
con but may have information pertaining to this subdivision that would
be of interest to the Board? Hearing, none. Any questions from the
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Mr:--Orlowski: Board, Mr. Mullen, none; Mr. Edwards, none; Mr. Ward, (the
applicant has complied with our request) ; Mr. Bryer, none. Okay, being
no further questions, I will declare this hearing closed.
L & R Vineyards - Mr. Howard Young, surveyor was present for the Board's
review of this major subdivision of 30 lots on 117.4 acres at Elijah's
Lane, Mattituck.
Mr. Orlowski: Our next field inspection was L'and R Vineyards, this was
30 lots on 117.4 acres located at Elijah's Lane, Matttiuck.
Mr. Young: I am present for the applicant.
Mr. Orlowski: At one time, we were to understand that they were going
to be all clustered to the =North and this was going to be all open space
or sold;.'to Suffolk County.in the Farmland Preservation Program.
Mr. Young: My understanding was taht this was going to be offered to
the Town of Southold's farmland preservation program.
Mr. Orlowski: Nothing has happened with this.
Mr Young: This is the piece that we were going to do a subdivision on
we are going to cluster this because we would like to leave this. We could
germander the lines .here any way you want there was a mistake .I made on
the yield calculations here, certainly whatever acreage it would take
for 28 lots on Section I, all the land belongs to L & R Vineyards. We
are trying to plant grapes for the vineyards.
MR. Orlwoski: Most of this is in vineyard already.
MR. Young: Right except for about 5 acres.
Mr. Orlowski: There will-be no winery there now.
Mr. Young: I think there was some question if it was allowed under the
ordinance.
Mr. Orlowski: By special exception it is.
Mr. Young: I don't known what happened to the idea.
Mr. Orlowski: So, we will be tearing out the grapes and putting up houses
instead.
Mr. Young: Yes.
Mr. Orlowski: Does, the Board have any coments?
Mr. Ward: I .think it was our consensus that we would rather see the houses
clustered to the North with southern section open.
Mr. Young: You mean by.'more than this.
Mr. Ward: Utilize all this to the North and leave this open.
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Mr. Young: Well, my client would like it this way economically and the
reason that he wants to continue this for grapes too because that is why
this in grapes so that everybody feels that they get a grape for a neighbor
and it is a nice setting. Certainly we would rather have it this way.
The reason we did it this way is to make it orderly.
Mr. Ward: The biggest concern is to move the houses off the road.
Mr. Young: Well, there was some discussion and . . .
Mr. Orlowski: Section No. 2 has a lot designation on 'it.
Mr. Young: Well, we have had some discussion with regard to how we get
this separated. We don"t want to disrupt this is a life estate and a
home on here. We -want to develop the property from here over. We want
the right to convey from here over. There is an--existing house with acreage
around it. This is a set off which we recently did. We called this SEction
I and Section II but anyway that you may want to .handle this which would
be appropriate, we would be glad to.
Mr. Orlowski: Well, in the sale of the development rights, this can be
left off.
Mr. Young: We will do it anyway you wan.t
Mr. Orlowski: You would not have to do it and subdivide -it at this time.
Is this in-separate title?
Mr. Young: No, they are all in the same. In other words, we are not
going to request a split. We propose to only file this. That is the
intent now.
Mr. Orlowski: You think you may be agreeable to moving this aroung.
Mr. Young: He has a certain amount of acreage so this will just cut down
on. the amount of acreage.
Mr. Orlowski: Well, then we will cut the yield down a little bit and .
Mr. Young; Well, whatever we need for open space, the development will
be worth more.
Mr. . Orlwoski: Well, the open space that stays with the development
will be left with the development, that can not be sold separately.
Mr. Young: That is right, that has no value, but if we cut down we can
leave it with the open space.
MR. Orlwoski: Could you come back with a sketch putting back more lots
to the North and, leaving the road frontage open, and no houses on the
corner.
Mr. Young: Yes.
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Mat - A Mar Marina
Site plan at Mattituck
8:00 Mr. Henry E. Raynor, Jr. , was present for the pre submission conference
to discuss the site plan for a storage building located at Mat-a-Mar
Marina at Mattituck.
Mr. Orlwoski: Okay, next; we have an 8:00 p.m. appointment, Mr. Henry
Raynor has scheduled a pre submission conference to discuss a site plan
for construction of a storage building located at Mat a Mar Marina, Mattituck.
Mr. Raynor: This started out to be an amendment to the site plan to
construct a storage building for inside storage of boats during the winter
on the site, for the existing marina. In exploration of the matter withthe
Building Inspector's office, we find that the buildings and facilities
that exist on site are Te-existing and conforming by special exception
by the Zoning Board of Appeals. Basically, what has happened here is
the character of the clientele and the marina has grown, his boats are
utlized throughout the season, mostley star right at the marina and the
care that is given to them during the season by their owners kind of
dictates that he create a storage building on the site for protection
of the elements. We have succeeded in probably coming up with a substantial
site plan that exists for both the pleasure of this Board as well as
other Board's in the Town as well as the Builidng Inspector's Office.
You will note that the proposed building is beyond the 75' from the bulkheaded
area and is well above the 10' contour. That is pretty much a simple
case of what is proposeed. Being added to a pre-existing unofficial
site plan. We would like to make it number one official and number incorporate
another building into it.
Mr. Orlowski: Does the Board have any questions for Mr. Raynor?
Mr. Lessard have you reviewed this yet.
Mr. Lessard: I have not reviewed it yet, it sounds like it will probably
require a special exception but I am not sure.
Mr. Raynor: I would question that with Mr. Lessard because it is only
used for,:a storage building.
Mr. Lessard: I don't know, I would have to check the zone on that.
Mr. Raynor: I would be more than happy to go over it with you any time.
Mr. Lessard: Fine.
Mr. Bryer: Just one thing, could you put on the setbacks from the creek
so the building doesn't creep up any.
Mr. Raynor: It is 125' from the creek.
Mr. Bryer: I didn't notice it on the plan.
Mr. Raynor: Purposely it was maintained well beyond the 75' so that
we would not have .to go to any other Board's.
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Mr. Bryer: We would like to see it on the plan so that the Building
doesn't creep during construction. Some times they have a tendancy to
move during construciton.
Mr. Lessard: How far from the road is it.
Mr. Raynor: It is about 400' .
Mr. Lessard: We have a sensitive area'in-:there, where somebody promised
us a 50' buffer and it seems to be taking hurricane status, it is falling.
Mr. Raynor: If you would give me something to that in writing I would
be more than happy to have that created and buffered and planted.
Mr. Lessard: It was agreed in 1978 and it seems to,,be dwindling.
Mr. Raynor: It was agreed in 1978 and there is no reason it should not
be agreed to in 1987.
Mr. Lessard: Thank. you.
Mr. Ward: How tall is the builidng?
Mr. Raynor: That is a very good question, we were discussing tht the
other day because with the bridge and towers on the sports boats we are
ranging any where from 22 to 25' at the opening so we are well within
the ordinance what ever is applied for. My guess is about 29 to 30 feet.
It is just an estimate.
Mr Ward: What type of building?
Mr. Raynor: It would be a pre-fabricated steel building.
Mr. Ward: Will there be any impact on the neighbors?
Mr. Raynor: It will not be visable, along Wickham Avenue, there is a
series of trees and the property rises. To follow the contour of this
particular location it will dovetail in. because it is the grade to the
North so that there will be no visual impact from the North. Particualrly
from the East and possibly a small exception of a branch of the creek
that goes to the East.
Mr. Edwards: What right now is that area being used for, outside storage?
Mr. Raynor: Outside storage. There is absolutely no change in the use.
Mr. Edwards: There will just be a cover over it.
Mr. Orlwoski: Are there stakes out there now showing where the buiding will
be. If you could stake it, we will make a field inspection and if the
Board sees fit, we can refer it to the Building Department so Mr. Lessard
can review it.
Mr. Raynor: I would caution you that the stakes may not be a hundred
percent accurate for the simple fact. that there are boats in storage
on the site right now.
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On a motion made by Mr. Edwards, seconded by Mr. Mullen, it was
RESOLVED that the Southold Town Planning Board refer the site plan for
Mat-A- Mar Marina for construction of a storage building to the Building
Department for certification. Survey dated December 1986.
Vote of the Board: Ayes: Orlowski, Mulle-11,Edwards., Ward
Bayside Farms
Mr. John Collins and MS. Ruth Cooke were presnt for the Board's review
of this sketch following a field inspection.
Mr. Orlowski: Okay, next we have Bayside Farms, this is 21 lots on 104
. acres at South Harbor Lane, Peconic in the cluster concept. That is not
a bad density. It is a. beautiful p'iece ,of property, the Board has been
down .there. The roads themselves, for construction, were you planning
to use what is existing or are you going to build 'these roads.
Mr. Collins: The road to the North will be new, the one that is paralell
to the existing farm. The existing driveway if you drove into the site,
you probably drove into the driveway, there are five houses now and the
intent is to keep that driveway serving only five houses.
Mr. Orlowski: Does the Board have any questions, Mr. Ward.
Mr. Ward: It is encoraging to see such a broad step to preserving open
space.
Mr. Collins: One thing I might add, the intent is that all the roads
will be private roads, managed by the homeowners association. We would
hope that the character of those roads would be more. in keeping with
the rural cultural character of the land. than.the typical suburban subdivision.
Mr. Orlowski: Was this map in once before many years ago?
Mr. Collins: I think long ago, yes, before I was involved.
Mr. Orlowski: Nothing ever became of that.
Mr. Collins: It has taken three years for the family and the planning
process to become jelled. The density has not changed.
Mr. Orlowski: It was 30 lots then,.
Mr. Collins: It keeps going down.
Mr. Orlowski: It is a nice layout.
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On a motion made by Mr. Ward, seconded by Mr. Edwards, it was
RESOLVED that teh Southold Town Planning Board, following a field inspection,
grant sketch map approval to the major subdivision to be known as "Bayside
Farms" located at South Harbor Road, Southold for .16 proposed lots and
5 lots with existing homesites for a total of 21 lots on 104 acres, in
the cluster concept, map dated May 12, 1986.
Vote of the Board: Ayes: Orlowski, Mullen, Ward, Edwards
On a motionmade by Mr. Mullen, seconded by Mr. Ward, it was
RESOLVED that the Southold Town Planning Board declare themselves lead
agency under the State Environmental Quality Review Act for the set
off of Mary Bonkoski located at Alvah's Lane, Cutchogue. An initial
determinationof non-significance has been made.
Vote of the Board: Ayes: Orlowski, ldullen, Ward, Edwards
On a motion made by Mr. Ward, seconded by Mr. Edwards, the following
action was taken:
NEGATIVE DECLARATION
Pursuant to Article 8 of the Environmental Conservation Law State
Enviroinmental Quality Review Act and 6NYCRR Part 617, Section 617.10
and Chpater 44 of the Code of the Town of Southold,notice is hereby given
that Southold Town Planning Board, as lead agency for the action described
below has determined that the project will not have a significant effect
on the environment.
DESCRIPTION OF ACTION.
The minor subdivision of Mary Bonkoski is a set off of 85,685
square feet from 19.9 acres located at Alvah's Lane, Cutchogue, taxmap
no. 1000-101-2-24.1 and 24.2.
The project has been determined not to have a significant effect•
on the environmen for the following reasons:
An environmental assessment has been submitted which indicated
that no significant adverse effects to the environment were likely
to occur should the project be implemented as planned.
Because there has been no correspondence received from the Suffolk
County Department of Health Services in the alotted time, it
is assumed that there are no comments or objections from that
agency.
Becuase there has been no correspondence received from the NY
State Department of Environmental Conservation in the alotted
time, it is assumed that there are no comments or objections
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from that agency.
The project will meet all the requirements of the Code of the
Town of Southold Subdivision of Land Regulations.
Further information can' be obtained by contacting Diane M. Schultze,
Secretary Southold Town Planning Board, MainRoad, Southold, NY 11971.
Vote of the Board: Ayes: Orlowski, Mullen, Ward, Edwards
On a motion made by Mr. Ward, seconded by Mr. Mullen, it was
RESOLVED that the Southold Town Planning. Board grant approval of the
set off for Mary Bonkoski located at Alvah's Lane, Cutchogue to set of
85,685 square feet from 19.9 acres, survey dated as amended September
29, 1986, subject to:
1. Receipt of approval from the Suffolk .County Department
of Health Services, pursuant to Article 6.
Vote of the Board: Ayes: Orlowski, Mullen, Ward, Edwards
Mr. Scott Acardo was present for an appointment to discuss the site
plan proposal for a retial shopping center located at County Route 48,
Southold.
Mr. Orlowski: Next, we have an 8:15 p.m. appointment with Mr. Scott
Accardo who has scheduled an'appointment to discuss the site plan proposal
for a shopping center located at County Route 48, Southold. This is
not a presubmission conference but just a chance to discuss his application.
Would you tell the Board your intentions.
Mr. Accardo The property is a 2.2 acre lot and we are proposing to
have 13% lot coverage with the building which will have 11 retail stores.
and will encompass 13,200 square foot of building space. The character
of the building is in the .New England Design and we will be using used
brick and vinyl siding for the exterior walls. And, keeping with teh
character of the Town,my client proposes to landscape the property itself
on four sides and have left the landscaping to the discretion ,of the
Board and how they might want to landscape it. The front of the property
we have squared off all the parking to the building rather than along
the line of the property line itself. We are trying to do what is most
aesthetically pleasing and have provided landscaping infront .of the building
as well as a buffer between the paving and what. the building starts.
I have come before you just for a preliminary review and to get your
opinionof the project.
Mr. Mullen: I would like to look at it in the field.
Mr. Edwards: I think we should get out in the site.
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Mr. Bryer: When you say you have 11 retail stores, how much parking
do you show?
Mr. Accardo: We require 88 spaces and we show: - 93.
Mr. Bryer: We require 1 space per every 100 square feet of retail.
Mr. Accardo: We are showing storage space and taking out that 13000,
there is 400 square feet of storage space in each store.
Mr. Bryer: That wasn't on the- plan and it should be because I could
not break it down. All I could do was take the total square feet of
the entire store. If you could break down retail versus sales area.
Also, you have the handicapped spaces right on the entrance from North
Road, I guess that is at the discretion of the building department, but
I think that that is an area where it could present a problem. Those
are my only comments.
Mr. Orlowski: The Board will field inspect this for the line of site
and other things and get back to you to give you an idea for our feelings
so that you can prepare a site plan for a pre-submission. conference.
The Cove at East Marion
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Mr. Orlowski: Okay, next we have. Cove Beach Associates, now
owned by Mr. Harold Reese. - This is 40 lots on 96 acres at
East Marion. This has been around a long time. The Board
has made a lot of inspections down there. lixbelieve Mr-:;`Reese
you:Lwant to add. We have a map that already has sketch plan
approval with, I believe, 34 lots. The Board felt that it
has come along way in, from gran#ing that sketch and making
it 34 lots and the Board would like to leave it like that.
Mr. Reese: Of course, I was only going by this formula.
Mr. Orlowski: Right.
Mr. Reese: As the code stated, and I went to the Town Attorney
to'.find out if I was correct on the maximum number of yield.
And, according to the formula which he gave me and as stated
in the code book, we are allowed 41. 9, I believe, 40. 9 I 'm
sorry. So, we just wanted to go along with the 40.
Mr. 'Orlowski: Right, see. . .
Mr. Reese: There is 96 acres and there is plenty of open space
including all that acreage over on Dam Pond which is pretty
valuable building sites, bht we went along with the open space
idea and we would like certainly to retain the 40 lots. It
would seem that the open space would be amplb.
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Cove Beach Associates at East Marion, cont.
Mr. Orlowski: Well, does the Board have any other comments? (none)
We fell that the sketch that we had and scrutinizing and reviewingg
it, and going over it and ending up -with 34 lots and granting
sketch on that map, sketch approval, took a long time and alot
of work and we felt it was a good plan and a good layout and
finless the Board has any other comments, I think we would like
to stay with that. You are already starting with sketch, we
are going to go back now and calculate and figure out again,
I don' t know how lbnq that is going to take. But. . .
Mr. Reese: I don' t quite understand the calculating.
Mr. Orlowski; Well, we just felt for the area and the impact
of it that 34 lotsi-s--:.sufficient and we would like to see it
that way.
Mr. Reese: Well, we have no recourse I guess.
Mr. Orlowski; Well, I guess you could push it.
Mr. Reese: Well, I don' t want to assume an adversary position.
Mr. Orlowski: You already have an approved sketch plan and
you cahl go right to preliminary right now. We have walked
it many-:times: .ctogether and separately, and it is a beautiful
spot there and it was hard to swallow it `'at-`-34 lot,s:, but- .it ,is
something that we accepted and granted sketch on it and we
would like to see you pursue that map.
Mr. Reese: Of course it places us at .a distinct disadvantage
as you can understand. The thing had been around a long time
as you say, and of course we were in to this 22 years ago and
almost-!.got it in at 54 lots. Then two acres zoning came in
between. My first,.,lQok-Lat.ith:e�,map, of course, was that the
lots were on the meger side. When I checked it out according
to formula I thoughtt,:that we would be entitled to it. I would
certainly like the Board to reconsider it, if it is possible,
without too much delay.
Mr. Orlowski; I think the first time I walked this property
was seven years ago, exactly to the day. This has been around
a long time. Like I said, it took alot of work oni.that last
sketch so, does the Board have any comments? Would you like
to review it again?
Mr. Mullen: As you point out if-It- went with 34, he could
start tomorrow. This has been along time. I am sure you can
appreciate that we like a litIb more open space. Like the
situation we had before with close to 140 acres, they are only
utilizing tdughtly 34 acres with 21 units.
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Cove Beach Associates at East Marion Cont.
Mr. Reese: May I ask the Board .what. is the formula for if
it -is left up to discretion. -
Mr Mullen: Well, we try to do the besttwe can.
Mr. Ward: The formula works quite well on farmland and regular-
types of property. When you are dealing with environmentally
sensitive area, we often times have to work with ;.a developer
to get a density. Sometimes, the formula just doesn' t work,
for a particular parcel. We are dealing with shorefront and
wetlands and a very beautiful and valuable piece of property.
Mr. Reese: It isrthit, but1_bf4-,course`.;;in arriving at this
figure of 40 , we had to subtract the wetlands right from the
top. We have taken the 20% and then divided it by 80 , 000.
Mr. Ward: When you look at the irregular feet, it doesn' t
plot very easilyy.s
Mr. Reese: Then, that of course, changes the road layout.
I ahve to through myself at the mercy of the Board, of course,
but I would certainly like them to be considerate of the project.
Mr. Orlowski: Well. . . .
Mr. Bryer: One of the other:-,things that we thought at the
time when you had 34 lots in was you have.;)only one means of
egress. You have a private road over hear, I guess that is
Brown' s Hills Road.
Mr. Reese: No, that is Stars Road.
Mr. Bryers: Is that a private road?
Mr. Reese: There-is only road in there.
Mr. Bryer: Anyway, thereiis only one means of egress. W ;
We thought with the 34 lots, you are required
to have 20 as a maximum when you have only one egress. At the
time, we gave it aibreak because there was some circulation
within the subdivision. But, adding six more lots in an area
like this, you are adding roughtly a car and z a lot and we
just thought that was over what we had originally. . . .
Mr. Reese: Of course, when I brought the ,questionuup at a
previous meeting a couple of months ago, about the access,
in my opinion,:.,open space, it was suggested that I draw up
another map; which, of course, I have done here including the
six lots. And while, there wasn' t any explicit promise I just
assumed that it might receive favorable consideration. I know
that there was a field inspection made, what is the result
of the fiend inspection?
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Cove Beach Associates at East Marion cont.
Mr Orlowski: Well, it was felt .that .they would like to cut
the impact and gain someeopen space. That was our intent in
asking forrthe yield map. And, there were alot of questions
with the wetlands , down there. With the yield map, maybe we
can get those answers if youc;can,? :get�.thec�,40?�:1otsLin here.
I am sure like Mr. Ward says, with the formula you could figure
it out, but by yield, it may not be possible.
Mr. Reese: I doht',t quite known, exactly what would a yield
map. show.
Mr. Orlowski: Well, it would show the roads and how much of
the roads would have to come out and how many lots you could
yeiltd out of this piece taking out your roads, taking out your
wetlands and thbwing")what is left as uplands. is '-"re
Mr. Reese: We are not changing the road structure.
Mr. Orlowski: But, we never did see a yield map and we are
questioning that and we did go so far with those 34 lots and
taking out these lots over there and coming in and gaining a
bit of open space, I think would add to the subdivision. And,
make it that much better. And, that is what we worked with
the last applicant on. We likdd it and we would like to see
you carry it on. If you want, you want us to look at it again
and proceed with it, we definitely would want avyield map and
we probably would want to get out and check it again. And,
this way the yield map would show us how many lot you could
get in here with the roads and the wetlands taken out and drainage.
Mr. Reese: Excuse me, Mr. Orlowski, but how would a yield map
differ anymthan the map we have here now.
Mr. Orlowski: Well, right now you are just showing us numbers.
We would like to see how you could do that on here.
Mr. Bryer: A yield map 'shows exactly how many 80, 000 square
foot lots you could get in that area taking out recharge basins,
wetlands , roads, park and playground, the actual?_conventioAal
subdivision that yo could get in that area with 80, 000 square
foot lots .
Mr. Reese: Do you happen to know:: if that was already done?
Mr. Orlowski: We did not find one in the files, hoe°Vier, like
I said this goes=aback about 7 "years ; I thought there;•:was one,
but we could not find it in any of the files. We would like
to see it again because we did have that with 34 lots and I
thought .it was because there was a yield map there. To be
honest I could not find it.
Mr. Reese: Well, in your experience, do you think a yield map
would come closer to 40 than to 34?
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.Cove Beach'Associates atEast Marion cont.
Mr. Orlowski: You will have to tell us. That is what we want
to know::.. We felt safe with 34 and that is why we granted sketch-.)and proceeded with-'-this. I think if we proceed any further
, it will have to be with a yield map.
Mr. Edwards: Would we even seriously consider the 40 lots
with only one access.
Mr. Orlowski: Well, we will have to take a look at the yield
map and get back to them.
Mr. Edwards: I wouldn' t. . . (inaudible)
Mr. Reese: Would thec:Board be willing to compromise on splitting
the difference?
Mr. Orlowski: I don' t think this Board is ready to deal with
out any yield map at all. You have sketch for 34 and like
I said that was a lot of work.
Mr. Reese: You think, then, there is no point in pursuing
a yield map? You are going to stay with 34 .
Mr. Orlowski: Well, you have the right to show where you can
yeiia that number and we have right to change the layout for
the safety and convenience of the subdivision and the people
in::-it. Who knows what we' ll end up at. Maybe you will gain
two lots, maybe you will loose two. I don' t know. From 34.
Mr. Reese: That is not a difficult choice of course.
Mr. Orlowski: If there is not a yield map and you want to get
one together, we will review it. Otherwise with the 34 lots,
you can proceed right on to preliminary.
Mr. Reese: Can I get to you on the next meeting of February
2, and I will take it up with the engineer first, if he thinks
we canget forty lots ti7ibh the yield map, alright, if not, we
will just go ahead with the 34.
Mr. Orlowski: That sounds fair to me. What about the rest of
the Board?
Mr. Ward: Just that we. are increasing the density, we are
up against one access.
Mr. Reese: Well, than what you are telling me is that it will
be 34 or nothing.
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Cove Beach Associates at East Marion, Cont.
Mr. Ward: Unless .we dan figure out another access.
Mr. Reese: No, ther is no way.
Mr. Orlowski: I believe on tbpco.f this, you also have five more
lots to the North.
(conversation between Mr. Mullen and Mr. Ward which is inaudible)
Mr. Orlowski: THe Board would like to see a yield map. Mr.
Latham is not here tonight but he didf,stress that he would
definitely like to stay with the 34.
Mr. Reese: Well, you see where the six lots are, suppose we
left the open space in between.
Mr. Orlowski: I think the density is what we are talking about,
what the rest of the Board is talking about. Like I said, Mr.
Latham isn' t here tonight, but he stressed that, he stopped
there this afternoon as a matter of fact;. took a quick look-
and gave a call. We gave 34---and he would like to see 34.
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M. Paul Friedberg subdivision at
Mattituck -
Mr. Orlowski: Next, we have Paul Friedberg, this is13 lots on 26 acres at
Mill Lane, Mattituck. We did review it again and take a look. Mr.
Ward you had some comments.
Mr. Ward: The basic comment still lholds that we were really opposed
to seeing lot No. 7 in the hole. We really feel that if it is going
to be a cluster that the low area shuld be the open space.
Mr. Ross, Esq: The Board does have the new map where lot No. 6 has been
left as open space. It seems that that is the area of concern and this
would take care of the_•problem. Originally you asked that the lots be
placed in the northern area, that would be contrary to the plans of the
applicant, which is to use that as a nursery. To require that would. . .
Mr. Ward: Well, if there is a problem with that, maybe they ought to
eliminate that house and go with less lots then. Take these lots out
of the hole, it doesn't make sense when you have all this property.
Mr. Ross: What hole are we talking about?
Mr. Ward: Where lots 6, 7, 5, 13, 12 are, the 35' contour goes through
all of them.
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Mr. Ross: That leaves us with about 8 lots.
Mr. Ward: Well, that is the option, go with 8 lots or put the lots to
the North.
Mr. Ross: As the Board has the conventional yield map and it shows,
that approach would serve our purposes just as well and it would seem
a shame to go that route and loose the benefit of a cluster approach
for that purposes. I don't believe and from what I understand .there really
isn't a water problem down there, if there is, I would think removing
that middle lot takes care of the problems. And, as we have indicated
to the Board, planing in terms of placement of houses on the remaining
lot that you have indicated concern takes care of the remaining problem.
To require the removal of all those lots from that area is in effect
going to bury the cluster plan. And, I think we can work with this now
if there is some other area that you are concerned with, but lots 5,
13, and 12 are well out of that low area. Lot 7 is questionable, but
we could even work with that, I though the main concern was the°middle
lot, lot 6, now it is indicated as park which is incorrect and really
should be labeled as open space.
Mr. Mullen: Six and seven.
Mr. Ward: Why put access through the low area.
Mr. Orlowski: You should move the lots to the North or take them out.
It would be better to move the lots into the higher elevation, I think
future owners would have a better building location on the higher ground.
Mr. Ross: My understanding is that it is a problem with the middle lots
and the elevation goes..up on the back lots and that the Board recommended
the requirement to move all five lots.
Mr. Ward: The rights of way would go through the low area.
Mr. Ross: Those could be put on the other side if we are just worried
about the lots on the low land, six and seven.
Mr. Ward: If you would like to propose another layout, we will consider
it •but our reaction is that the lots should be in the front land with
open space in the low land.
Frey and Whitman site plan
Mr. Garrett Strang, architect, was present to discuss this site plan
for retail stores at Peconic. It was the consensus of the Board that
the plan presented should be finalized with all the site plan elements.
It was the consensus of the Board that the parking lot be asphalt and
if revised plans are received in time for a review, it could be scheduled
on the next regular Planning Board agenda.
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Suffolk Times/News :Review
site plan
THe Board had not. inspected this site, therefore, Mr. Strang, architect,
stated that he did not want to prepare final site plan drawings until
he had received the Board's input with regard to the concept. Mr. Ward
commented that the ingress and egress should be 20'. and Mr. Lessard
stated that a curb cut onto the State Road should be filed with the State
Department of Public Works. It was the consensus of the Board to
hold this proposal for the next regular meeting, following a field inspection.
Thornton Smith -
subdivision..at Mattituck
The Board -reviewed this proposal for 35 lots on 88 acres at Sound Avenue,
Mattituck. It was the consensus of the Board that a meeting by held
with the Highway Superintendent to discuss a second access for the subdivision.
It was also felt that it would be more beneficial to hve the woodland
preserved as open space rather than the farmland.
On a motion made by Mr.. Ward, seconded by Mr. Edwards, it was
RESOLVED that the Southold Town Planning Board, following a public hearing,
approve the preliminary maps for the major subdivision. of Edward and
Chareles Nalbantian to be known as "Oregon Heights" for 6 lots on 12.5
acres at Mattituck, survey dated June 3, 1986 subject to:
1. Receipt, and review by the Highway Superintendent, of a
drainage plan for the proposal.
Vote of the Board: Ayes: Orlowski, Mullen, Ward, Edwards
On a motion made by Mr. .Edwards, seconded by Mr. Ward, it was
RESOLVED that the Southold Town Planning Board amend the report No. 555
of Inspector John W. Davis with regard to the access road within the
subdivision of Walter and Marilyn Gatz to be known as "Green Pastures"
to include a requirement that utilities be placed in the right-of-way
by the appicant.
Vote of the Board: Ayes: Orlowski, Mullen, Ward, Edwards
On a motion made by Mr. Mullen, seconded by Mr. Ward, it was
RESOLVED that the Southold Town Planning Board accept and request compliance
with the amended report No. 555 from Inspector John W: Davis with regard
to the required improvements within the subdivision to be known as "Green
Pasture" located at Mattituck.
Vote of the Board: Ayes: Orlowski, Mullen, Ward, Edwards
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On a motion made by Mr. Ward, seconded by Mr. Edwards, it was
RESOLVED that the Southold, Town PlanningBoard recommend to the Town
Board that the performance bond for the subdivision to be known as "Golden
View" located at Laurel be released as per the recommendations of Raymond
Jacobs, Highway Superintendent and John W. Davis, Field Inspector.
Vote of the Board: Ayes: Orlowski, Mullen, Ward, Edwards
On a motion made by Mr. Ward, seconded by Mr. Edwards, it was
RESOLVED that the Southold Town Planning Board set Monday, February 9,
1987 at 7:30 p.m. at the Southold Town Hall -as the time and place
for a public hearing on the question of approval of the major subdivision
of Henry Appel located at Mattituck.
Vote of the Board: Ayes: Orlowski, Mullen, Ward, Edwards
On a motion made by Mr. Mullen, seconded by Mr. Ward, it was
RESOLVED that the Soutohld Town Planing Board set Monday, February 9,
1987 at 7:45 p.m. at the Southold Town Hall as the time and place for
a public hearing on the question of approval of the minor subdivision
of Elizabeth Thompson, et. al. to be known as "Kings Bay Estates" located
at Orient.
Vote of the Board: Ayes.: Orlowski, Mullen, Ward, Edwards
On a motion made by Mr. Edwards, seconded by Mr. Mullen, it was
RESOLVED that the Southold Town Planning Board set Monday, February 9,
1987 at 8:00 p.m. at the Southold Town Hall as the time and place for
a public hearing on the question of approval of the minor subdivision
for Briscoe Smith located at Fishers Island.
Vote of the Board: Ayes: Orlowski, Mullen, Ward, Edwards
On a motion made byMr. Mullen, seconded by Mr. Ward, 'it was
RESOLVED that the Southold Town Planning Board grant one 90-day extension
on the completionof the conditions with regard to teh conditional approval
of the major subdivision to be known as "Harbor View" located at Mattituck.
This extension shall run 90 days from the date of this resolution.
Vote of the Board: Ayes: Orlowski, Mullen, Ward, Edwards
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On a motion made by Mr. Mullen, seconded by Mr. Ward, it was
RESOLVED that the Southold TownPlanning Board recommend to the Town Board
that that portion of the inspection fee, pertaining to teh water system,
for the subdivision to be known as "Harbor View" lcoated at Mattituck,
amounting to $16,006 be refunded since this water supply system will
not be inspected by the Town Inspector.
Vote of the Board: Ayes: Orlowski, Mullen, Ward, Edwards
On a motion made by Mr. Mullen, seconded by Mr. Ward, it was
RESOLVED that the Southold Town Planning Board set Monday, February 9,
1987 at 8:15 p.m. at the Southold Town Hall, Main Road, Southold
as the time and..place for a public hearing on the proposal to increase
the filing fees for set offs from $50 to $250.
Vote of the Board; Aye: Orlowski, Mullen, Ward, Edwards
On a motion made by Mr. Mullen, seconded by Mr. Orlowski, . it was
RESOLVED that the Southold Town Planning Board refer the correspondence
of December 5, 1986 from Andrew Stype of Val Stype and Sons to- the personnel
file of Secretary Diane M— Schultze, with a copy to the Town Board members.
Vote of the Board: Ayes: Orlowski, Mullen, Ward, Edwards
Mr. Lessard introduced discussion with regard to having applicants name
the roads in minor subdivisions since there was a problem with access
roads without names and the location of same for the fire department
and police department. He noted that on the street index these roads
are numbered but there is no identification on the street itself and
it was a problem.
Mr. Orlowski questioned the gas station owned by Tartan Oil located at
County Route 48, Peconic and noted that it was already operating- as a
self service. Mr. Lessard stated that this is temporary and if the Board
of Appeals doesn't approve the application then the station will be closed.
Mr. Ward also questioned the canapy construction and Mr. Lessard staetd
that the construction was for safety reasons. Mr.: .Ward also questioned
the lights because they are so bright that they shine off the property.
Mr. Lessard agreed and stated that they will be shielded and turned off
at 8:30. - 9:00 p.m.
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Mrs. Vervenoitis, adjoining property owner to the proposal for Papadopoulos
and Maragos approached the Board to state that she was in favor of the
Board's recommendation for a road within the subdivision. No decision
was made on this.
Being no further business to come before the Board on a.motion made by
Mr. Orlowski, seconded by Mr. Ward, and carried, the meeting was adjourned
at 9:20 p.m.
Respectfully submitted,
?ianP Sch*tze ecretary
Southold Town Planning Board
B nnett Orlowski,Jr. , Chai man
ECEIVED AND FILED BY
THE SOUTHOLD TOWN CLERK,
DATE /-/q?-8Ft HOUR lD-�-6QA-
Town Clerk, Town of Sou old