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HomeMy WebLinkAboutPB-10/31/1988 . ff o�uFFo��o Ln Town Hall, 53095 Main Road P.O. Box 1179 Southold. New York 11971 TELEPHONE (516)765-1938 PLANNING BOARD OFFICE TOWN OF SOUTHOLD PLANNING BOARD MINUTES OCTOBER 31, 1988 The Southold Town Planning Board held a regular meeting on Monday, October 31, ' 1988 at 7:30 p.m.' at the Southold Town Hall, Main Road, Southold. PRESENT WERE: Bennett Orlowski, Jr. , Chairman Member G. Ritchie Latham Member Richard Ward Member Kenneth Edwards Planner Melissa Spiro Victor Lessard Secretary Jill Thorp ABSENT WERE: Member William Mullen Planner Valerie Scopaz Mr. Orlowski: Good evening. I would like to call this meeting to order. First order of business is Walsh Park. This is an affordable housing projection Fishers Island-.We held a meeting on Fishers Island. We had a public hearing. We are keeping this public hearing open. This is ,.from October 14th. We are waiting for revised preliminary maps. At this time I will ask if there are any comments' or questions on this hearing? Hearing none we will keep this hearing open until our next meeting or until we receive the. preliminary maps. . . Mr. Orlowski: Board to set' Monday, November 14, 1988, at 7 : 30 p-.m. at the Southold Town Hall, Main Road, Southold as the time and place for the next regular Planning Board meeting. Mr. Edwards: . So moved. Planning Board 2 October 31, 1988 Mr. Ward: Second. Mr. Orlowski: Motion made and seconded.. Any questions on the motion? All those in favor? Vote of the Board; Ayes: Orlowski, Latham, Ward, Edwards. Mr. Orlowski: Opposed? So ordered. Mr. Orlowski: Subdivisions: Hiawatha' s Path- Board to set Monday, November 14, 1988, at- 8: 45 p.m. for a public hearing on the question of final approval for this affordable .housing subdivision on Town owned property on Hiawatha' s Path. This minor subdivision is on 1 .9769 acres located at Southold. SCTM #1000-78-3-51. Mr. Edwards: So moved. Mr. Latham: Second.. Mr. Orlowski: Motion made and seconded. Any questions on the motion? A1.1 those in favor? Vote of the Board; Ayes: Orlowski,' Latham, Ward, Edwards. Mr. Orlowski: Opposed? So ordered. Mr. Orlowski: Walter Grabie- Board to review the final maps dated as amended June 1, 1988. This lot-line change is on the Main Road located at Mattituck. SCTM #1000-114-11-7 .1 & 9. Everything is in.order to approve subject to the filing of the C & R s and the final maps stating that the C & R s have been filed. What is the pleasure of the Board? Mr. Latham: I move it subject to those two things. Mr. Ward: Second. Mr. Orlowski: Motion made and seconded. Any questions on the motion? All those in favor? Vote of the Board; Ayes: Orlowski, Latham., Ward, Edwards. Mr. Orlowski: Opposed? So ordered. Mr. Orlowski: North Grove Estates- Board to review the preliminary maps dated as amended September 9, 1988 for this major subdivision on 46.5712 acres located at Cutchogue. SCTM #1000-95-4-4.1. We do not have the amended maps at this time. Is there anyone here representing the applicant? Planning Board 3 October 31, 1988 Mr. Cuddy: Charles Cuddy for the applicant. The amended maps probably won't be ready for another - seven, to ten days. Unfortunately, the mail has not helped us.. It took over a week to go about eight miles. The applicant has no problem with re-lining the subdivision map according to the Boards directory. We will change the road and put in the lots as indicated. I would ask that be sed upon excepting that condition, that the Board give us preliminary approval and we will submit the map in accordance with your. request. Mr. Orlowski: O.K. What is the pleasure of the Board? Mr. Ward: I think we should wait for the maps. Mr. Orlowski: The Board is going to wait until we have the preliminary maps with the changes in our hands before we do any approvals. Person from audience: Can you tell us- what the changes are? Mr. Orlowski: We are bringing the road out from Alvah' s Lane and not from Oregon Road. It will be running through Oregon Estates. Person form audience: That does not make sense. Mr. Cuddy: I will bring the .maps to you as .soon as they are completed. I would ask that they be turned over. Mr. Orlowski: Well, we would have to. Person from audience: Are - there any maps that you can show us at all? Mr. Orlowski: No. Person from audience: Where on Alvah' s Lane is the road coming out? �Mr. Orlowski:. Right through the middle of the property that they own on Alvah' s Lane. Person from audience: And it is still going to run down through the development? Mr. Orlowski: Yes. Person from audience: No, why. Mr. Orlowski: There is still going to be a final hearing on the final map.. Person from audience: Will it, be a hearing that we can come to? Mr. Orlowski: Yes. So you will still have time to make comments. Planning Board 4 October 31, 1988 Person in Audience: I live in Oregon View Estates and I was not able to attend the last meeting.. I had gone down that day and asked the woman about it: She told me that one of the reason why you are putting a road to come out in. Oregon View, is that if a cul-de-sac is more then eight hundred feet you have to have two entrances or egresses, is that right? Mr. Orlowski.: Right. Person in Audience: Alright,- there is currently a couple of developments being put on the dual highway in Peconic that are. definitely more . then eight hundred feet -long with maybe three or four houses on it. There is one by Pebble Beach that goes all the way 'to the Sound. There is a couple out in Orient by Browns Hill Road that go all the way out to the Sound. None of these . have more then one egress. They exit onto County Road. 25. Now if this is the case why not let them exit onto a Southold Town Road that is in existence rather then enter into a development that - is very set in our ways. Where the kids can go run around on the streets with out having to fear of a lot of traffic and trucks going. through. I wish the Board will take this into consideration.. I think I can speak. for a lot of the people .in there. I have .only been there about five, six months. I wish the Board will consider this very much. It is- one of the reasons why alot of .the people have moved into that area. Thank you. Mr. Orlowski: Oregon View, I believe is a Town Road.. The Town Maintains it. When these subdivisions ar.e_.put.. together, you will notice that where we do go over eight hundred. feet we do put these dead end spurs to connect to the adjoining properties that will be subdivided in the future. In this case we .have a spur in Oregon View. With this property being developed the- Board feels that it is time to connect it. Coming out to Alvah' s Lane, I think anybody living in this development would be more advantageous. to come out on Alvah's Lane then to go down Oregon Estates. Most of the lots are going to be right there. Person from audience: Will the road be even with Gold Spur Road? Not a road that is further to the north. People .heading down town are not going to go north to go south. If. the road at the south end of that development coming down onto Alvah' s Lane, no problem. That is a piece of cake. Everybody coming would be heading south, heading to the Main Road to the other roads will sweep down. Instead of sweeping into our development, sweep it the other way .out to Alvah' s. Lane. There is no problem, nobody would argue that at all. We are all for the development.. Mr. Orlowski: Lets wait until the applicant brings the maps in as directed by the Planning Board and they will be available for your review. There will also be a final hearing at time. Person from audience: Will it be in the paper? Mr. . Orlowski: Yes. Thank you. Planning Board. 5 October '31, 1988 Person from Audience: Can I ask why tonight' s meeting was not publicized? Mr. Orlowski: It is not a public hearing. The final public hearing will be in the papers. Person from Audience: That will be on the 14th? Mr. Orlowski: We will make our discission on the preliminary map on the 14th, if they are in. Just on the preliminary. That is not the final. Person from Audience: On the division map for- Oregon View Estates they show other roads to be figured in there. If the Board passes this, with a road coming into Oregon. View. Do we assume, as the residents there, that we can end up with three or four more streets coming into that area, as it shows on the map? Mr. Orlowski: They could be in the future, depending on how the Board feels at that time. Person from Audience: So the Board is. . . as I see Southold Town. would like to keep a rural environment. This environment will more or less be shattered by taking these little areas like Oregon View Estates and criss-crossing with a. lot of intersections and side streets. You are going to lose what everyone is moving out therefor. Mr. Orlowski: Well, I suggest that you save your comments for the final hearing. You have to realize that our long range . planning is leaving these spur roads to connect to other roads for ingress, egress and access. Person from Audience: The reason why I address you now is that I work shift work. I was not able to make the last meeting and probably won' t make the next meeting. That is why .I address myself know. Mr. Orlowski: O.K. It will be publicized. Mr. Anderson: My name is Jim Anderson. I live on Oregon Estates. I just want to know. . . can you give us an idea of what you are going to base your discission on. Most of the neighbors are here. We are opposed. Is there some criteria that you go by that we should know? Mr. Orlowski: We are waiting for the preliminary maps. When those maps come in they will be available for public review. Everything is in the file in the office. I don't know when they will be here, but when 'they, . if they are here by our next meeting they might be ready for our approval, though they may not.. We will look at them then. You can come in and check any time. Planning Board 6 October 31, 1988 Mr. Anderson: Is this .based on the developers point of view. Mr. Orlowski: No. We are looking from a planning stand point and how it lays out for life and safety and a lot of other reasons. That is what our decision_ is based. on. Mr. Anderson: In the matter of safety. On Horseshoe Drive, where I live, I think there are twelve or thirteen kids. I am not sure how many on the other side. There is no street lights there at all. They are very dark roads. To add more traffic in there that could be a very big safety hazard. Most of the kids are under ten and eleven years old. Mr. Orlowski: We have heard this before and I suggest you save if for the final hearing. This is not a hearing. Mr. Anderson: Why aren't the maps here? I don't understand. It was on the agenda and he doesn't have them. Mr. Orlowski: He has forty five days to aet them in. Mr. Cuddy: If I could let you understand once again. I said .it and I will say it the second time. I put them in an envelope. I sent them to .the surveyor. It took nine days until the surveyor got those maps. He only got them four days ago. He is now working on it. I will have them hopefully in a few more days. When I get them I will bring them here. No one gave you a guarantee that there was going to be a map,.mher,.e:, tonight. Hopefully they will be next time. I have an 'office in Riverhead. 369-8200. Give me a call and .I will help you. Mr. Orlowski: O.K. The Board is going to move on to next one. Farmveu. Associates- Board to review the engineer' s report dated October 14, 1988. Also to set Monday, November 14, 1988 at 8:15 p.m. for a public hearing on the question of preliminary approval, map dated as amended October 5, 1988.. This major subdivision is on 111.612 acres located at Mattituck. SCTM #1000-121-3-2. What is the pleasure on the Sidney Bowne report? Mr. Latham: I move we accept it. Mr. Ward: Second. Mr. Orlowski: Motion made and seconded. Any questions on the motion? All those in favor? Vote of the Board; Ayes: Orlowski, Latham, Ward, Edwards. Mr. Orlowski: Opposed? Are we going to fence these ponds -or are we not going to fence these ponds? The applicant is here tonight? Mr. Adel: Yes. Planning Board 7 October 31, 1988 Mr. Ward: Fence them. Mr. Orlowski: You must have to talked to Valerie about fencing these ponds? Mr. Cron: We were under the impression when. these things were, supposed to be done on the map that they were selecting low natural areas that did not require that. Aesthetically it will just ruin all those areas thereto have to fence these things. I thought, we were under the impression, since they didn't want the swales that they were selecting low areas that are natural low areas in that subdivision. They will remain in that condition. Frankly, we were surprised that they had any kind of berms around them. My conversation with the engineer was to protect it. He did not feel that there was any reason to fence it. That has nothing to do with the Board. I understand. His impression was that it need not be fenced. That they were low natural areas. Mr. Ward: The problem that we saw with them is that they were retaining water at various times of the year. It is actually a sump so it is a problem with liability as we see it..- Mr. Cron: That is going to aesthetically ruin that subdivision. Mr. Orlowski: Are these going to be dedicated, the Roads? Mr. Cron: No decision is made on that, at,.this;. point. Mr. Ward: The fence line was brought into where "the berms" what ever you are talking about and was planted in front of it. It seems to me that you would lose the fence. Just like you would if you planted. I mean that fence could be set back from the property fine.. Mr. Adel: It is just that it -would defeat the purpose of a natural drainage area. Mr. Ward: Well, it is a natural drainage area but it seems to me that there is an earth burm that is being put around it. It is going to retain water. Mr. Adel: The drainage is very good in this area. Mr. Cron: Why would we pick these as low natural areas and the having to basically dig them out and then fence them in? You are creating a whole bunch of sump areas in here. Mr. Adel: It is not going to look desirable. Mr. Cron: It is going to look like the devil, to tell you the truth. Planning Board 8 October 31, 1988 Mr: Ward: You are talking the berms right now are in some twenty feet from the property line. You have a .lot of room to do some landscaping in there. Mr. Adel: Landscaping fine, but put the fence in? Mr. Cron: The fencing is going to be terrible. Mr. Ward: Put the fence in and do like they do all over, the landscaping in front of it. I don' t now how we can look at it and say that it is not a storm base and that we should not fence it. That is our problem. Mr. Orlowski: We run into a liability problem. We have always had that. Mr. Cron: Let me ask you this question. If that were not dug out specifically and they were low lying areas, what would be the position of the Board. in that regard as far as fencing them? Mr. Ward: Well, I guess the question is how much is a. lot. In other words, at what point is it water and is it a problem and at what point isn' t it. Mr. Cron.: .We were under the impression, when. I spoke to Jon Kohn, (SBB) and he indicated that he did not like the swale type of set up. His whole conversation was geared to the fact that they were selecting low natural areas and- .tha:t. they would just pipe into those areas. There was never any indication that anything had to be dug out. We were just using these low natural areas. He said that there was a n1imber of them within the subdivision. So I accepted what he had said in that regard. He indicated that there was no fencing required and all of a sudden now we are into this problem. Mr. Ward: It is hard to tell from these maps, it is a combination of building a berm and digging out that is creating these. . . Mr. Cron: I can see that. Mr. Ward: Because of that we are retaining water now we are back to whether it is two foot of water, or six, I think we have the same problem. Mr. Adel: We were not aware of the berming or the digging out until the map came back.. . Mr. Cron: It was not indicated to us. Mr. Ward: I see it ,on the map that is before us -and we saw that these areas are retaining water, so we were concerned that they are essentially storm water basins. It is not like it is running to an over flow to a creek or something that is. . . Planning Board 9 October 31, 1988 Mr. Cron: .Is the Board pretty much adamant against swales hence forth? Mr. Orlowski: Not as much as our Highway Superintendent is. Mr. Cron: Because you know the drainage in this subdivision is excellent. It would be a bad one for swales. Mr. Orlowski: The only problem with swales is that every place that we have used swales they are already filled in with somebodies front lawn and they don' t even work any more. ' The Highway superintendent is going to kill us if we do the next. one. Mr. Cron: O.K. I understand. Mr. Ward: If the drainage is as good as you say maybe by adding some more leaching pools in the positive line, you could positive overflow to this, maybe it could become so minimal that they are insignificant. Maybe there is an out. Mr. Cron: If that were the case, could we avoid this fencing? Mr. Ward: I would think so, as long as you have enough positive drainage in the system. Right now it is just piping to these low areas. Maybe there is some low in there where you can add some seepage basins along a line and. get the seepage overflow. . Mr. Cron: Alright, maybe I can talk to the;_.engineers. Mr. Ward: And not have to put something in that is going to pond to a sump. depth. Mr. Cron: We are trying to make this look real nice. It is going to look like the devil with fences. Mr. Orlowski: Why don't you proceed that way and see if she can handle it with more leaching basins in line. Then you could probably end up with. some leaching type of leaching field. Mr. Adel: I don't believe the ground retains any water at this point. The drainage is good. Mr. Orlowski: Well, there is no road there. Mr. Adele It is a good start anyway. Mr. Orlowski: Lets hold up on the engineer' s report. I think we are in agreement except for fencing. If you can change . the drainage, we can proceed with preliminary and address it in the final. • You have to have it in the final. But between now and then .we will come up with something. I would start working on it right away so that we can set this November 14th for the preliminary. Planning Board 10 October 31, 1988 Mr. Cron: O.K. Very Good. Thank you. Mr. Orlowski: Do we want to rescind the motion to accept the engineer' s report? Mr. Ward: I don't know if there is anything wrong with the report. Mr. Orlowski: The report is fine, but do you want to put in there about the fencing right now?. Mr. Ward: Well, I think what they are going to do is pursue an alternative and. then they will review that. Mr. Orlowski: O.K. Mr. Ward: If they don' t then it stands as it is. Mr. Young: May I ask a question regarding this.? Mr. Orlowski: Sure. Mr. Young: I think, maybe I misunderstood about swales and grass water ways and so fourth. Are you opposed to them now. Because you have pushed me to do a lot of them.. I have just completed a lot of them and now I seem to be getting the message that you are not happy. Mr. Orlowski: You just keep going and when you get up we will tell you if we accept them or not. Mr. Young: It's comical in a way, but. . .. Mr. Orlowski: We just met with the Highway Superintendent, and he is very much opposed to it. We do have a way of doing it with connecting the leaching basins together in. the swale system to handle it a little bit better then we have been with just the swales themselves. They seem to be getting filled up and the Highway Superintendent is getting aggravated with doing that way. .I am in favor of it. It works fine if they are maintained the way they are supposed to. be. It seems that when they finish grating off their yard, they have a tendency to grate it right up to the road. Mr. Young: I understand all the problems each way. I was just wondering if I was missing something. I feel like I am being betrayed after being pushed into the swaled system and also being pushed away from recharge basins. The word .down the hall has been no recharge basin and tonight I hear it went back to . recharge basins. Mr. Orlowski: We have something from Sidney'Bowne' s here that. . . Planning Board 1i October 31, 1988 Mr. Young: I went to Sid Bowne. I met with him and talked with him at great length about the engineering and what his ideas were. Mr. Orlowski: Did you have a problem with his idea? Mr. Young: I don' t have any problem with any good sound engineering but to throw out something that I think is. beautiful because someone in .the Highway Department does not feel like working on it. Mr. Orlowski: If you talked. with our engineers and the way they discussed it, we don' t have a problem with that system. Mr. Young: I know what he wants. I don't have a problem with it either. It seems like we are going to have a problem with the ones I have already submitted? Mr. Orlowski: You only have to make a few changes in those with the way he has proposed to do it in using the swale system. Mr. Young: To put it back to a curb of any kind is not just a few changes. Mr. Ward: We have always had a flush curb, right? Mr. Young: A header, yes. Mr. Ward: What do you suggest? Our superintendent of .highways would prefer to have the mountable curb with the drainage in the street. To be honest, where -we are right now, we probably got a half a dozen subdivisions out there with swales that are at final. I don' t think you will see those changed. The point, maybe, is in the future' if he has his way we may go more toward the mountable curb and the drainage in the road. Mr. Young: I am not opposed to change but the timing is bad. If you tell me tonight, I' ll go back and start .working tonight. I was just shocked to hear that tonight. I . have been at this a long time and I have been here a lot of times. I have been trying to keep up with all the changes. I get the impression out of your planning staff that .the recharge basin thing was out the window. That you didn't want it and then_ to hear it tonight that you want them. Thank you. Mr. Orlowski: Well, we are working on getting rid of both, it seems doesn' t it. No roads. O.K. we will set the hearing for November 14, 1989 at 8:15. Mr. Edwards: So moved. Mr. Ward: Second. Mr. Orlowski: Any questions on the motion? All those in favor? Planning Board 12 October 31, 1988 Vote of the Board; Ayes:. Orlowski, Latham, Ward, Edwards. Mr, Orlowski: Opposed? So ordered. Mr, Orlowski: John Beebe- Board to take action on the sketch map for this minor subdivision, survey dated as amended August 19, 1986. Board to start the coordination process to determine lead agency and environmental significance-. This parcel .is- on 97,035. square feet located at Cutchogue. SCTM #1000-103-3-5. I will -entertain a motion to take lead agency. Mr. Edwards.: So moved. Mr. -Ward: Second. Mr, Orlowski: Motion made and seconded. Any questions on the motion? All those in favor? Vote of the Board; Ayes: Orlowski, .Latham, Ward, Edwards. Mr. Orlowski: Opposed? So ordered. Everything is O.K. for sketch. The maps say set off, but this will be a minor:. That is the only change. What is the pleasure of the Board on sketch? Mr. Edwards: Move for sketch approval and make a comment that the final maps will say minor and not set off. Mr. Latham: Second the motion. Mr. Orlowski: Motion made and seconded. Any questions on the motion? Mr. Ward.: This was approved by ZBA? Mr. Orlowski: Yes. All those in favor? Vote of the .Board; Ayes: Orlowski, Latham, Ward, Edwards. Mr. Orlowski: Opposed? So ordered. Mr. Orlowski: Peter Blank- Board to discuss granting an extension of sketch approval from September 21, 1988 to March 21, 1989. This minor subdivision is on 4+ acres located at Orient. SCTM #1000-27-4-p/o 10.1 Mr. Edwards: Move to grant the extension. Mr. Ward: Second. Mr. Orlowski: Motion made and seconded. Any questions on the motion? All those in favor? Planning Board 13 October 31, 1988 Vote of the Board; Ayes: Orlowski, Ward, Edwards. Abstain: Latham. Mr. Orlowski: Mr. Latham abstained. Opposed? So moved. Mr. Orlowski: Beechwood Acres- Board to discuss granting an. extension of sketch approval from November 9, 1988 to May 9, 1989. This minor subdivisior_. is on 7.162.8 acres located at Southold. SCTM #1000-68-4-2,3. Mr. Latham: Move it. Mr. Ward: Second. Mr. Orlowski: Motion made and seconded. Any questions on the motion? All those in favor? Vote of the -Board; Ayes: Orlowski, Latham, Ward, Edwards. Mr. Orlowski: Opposed? So ordered. Mr. Orlowski: Dorman, Townsend, Mckay & Millis- Board to discuss granting an extension of sketch. approval from September 21, 1988 to March 21, 1989. This minor subdivision is on 11.58 acres located at Orient. SCTM #1000-18-3._T'Fp/..o1.8. Mr. Ward: So moved. Mr. Latham: Second. Mr. Orlowski: Motion made and seconded. Any questions on the motion? All those in favor? Vote of the Board; Ayes: Orlowski, Latham, Ward, Edwards. Mr. Orlowski: Opposed? So ordered. Mr. Orlowski: Norris Estates- Board to set a joint Planning Board/Town Board public hearing on the DEIS to be held on Monday, November 14, 1988 at 7:30 p.m. SCTM #1000-122-5-4. Mr. Ward: So moved. Mr. Latham: Second. Mr. Orlowski: Motion made and seconded. Any questions on the . motion? This is a hearing on the Draft Environmental -Impact Statement for the Norris Estates. We will. be having a public hearing on the impact of the site plan for the condominium project. The Town Board will be having a hearing on the impact Planning Board 14 October 31, 1988 of the zoning transfer, or what ever you want to call it. We will have both public hearings as one that night. All those in favor? Vote of the Board; Ayes: Orlowski, Latham, Ward,, Edwards. Mr. Orlowski: Opposed? So ordered. Mr.Orlowski: Cliffside/Tidemark- Board to set Monday, November 14, 1988 at 8:00 p.m. for a public hearing on the DEIS. SCTM #1000-45-1-1. Mr. Latham: Move it. Mr. Edwards: Second. Mr. Orlowski: Motion made and seconded. Any questions on the motion? All those in favor? Vote of the Board; Ayes: Orlowski., Latham, Ward, Edwards. Mr. Orlowski: Opposed? So ordered. Mr. Orlowski: Hanoch & Watts- Board to make a determination under the State Environmental Quality Review Act. This minor subdivision is on 12.622 acres located at:,..Cutchogue. SCTM #1000-101-1-4.1. Everything is in order for a negative declaration. Mr. Edwards: So moved. Mr. Latham: Second. Mr. Orlowski: Motion made and seconded. Any questions on the. motion? All those in favor? Vote of the Board; Ayes: Orlowski, Latham, Ward, Edwards._ Mr. Orlowski: Opposed? So ordered. Mr. Orlowski: Edward & Eileen Deutsch- Board to, review the bond estimate dated October 13, 1988. This minor subdivision is on 10.65i acres located. at Southold. SCTM #1000-54-3-p/o 26 . The bond estimate is for $94,584.00. We have sent this to the Southold Fire District and have not received an answer yet. Mr. Ward: Is there a fire well in it? Mr. Orlowski: Well, they have not made a recommendation to put one in it or not to put one in it. We will have to hold this one over. Plannina Board 15 October 31, 1988 Mr. Orlowski: Elijah' s Lane, Sections 2 & 3- Board to review the Engineer' s report dated October 14, 1988 for these major subdivisions. We have asked for revised plans for 1 & 2 in respect to the drainage additions. We have the revised plans for Section III, but they have not been reviewed yet. We only have the comments .from the engineer. Mr. Popkin: I am a little confused by the letter, sir. We are only developing Sections 2 & 3. Section I was developed more then ten years ago. I really don't understand the request for revised plans on Section I, unless that was a mistake. Mr. Orlowski: We are using Section I drainage, instead of there leaching field. So we are mentioning Section I here because you are going to go into Section I to connect to their drainage. Mr. Popkin: O.K. Mr. Orlowski: And your revised plans have to show that. O.K. Mr. Popkin: O.K. Are you asking for plans with respect to Section I or plans of Section II indicating the use of Section I drainage? Mr; Orlowski: You will have to show that Section I & II can be handled by the drainage already. on Section.,.I..., So the calculations- will have to show that. I don' t think that should be any problem. Mr. Popkin: O.K. I will bring this up to the engineer' s tomorrow. Thank you. Mr. Orlowski: O.K. What is the pleasure of the report? Mr. Edwards: Move .we accept.. . Mr. Latham: Second. Mr. Orlowski: Motion made and seconded. Any questions on the motion? All those in favor? Vote of the Board; Ayes: Orlowski, Latham, Ward, Edwards. Mr. Orlowski: Opposed? So ordered. ' Mr. Orlowski: Henry Arbeeny- Board to review the bond estimate from the Engineer's report dated October 20, 1988. This major subdivision is on 7. 592 acres- located at Southold. SCTM #1000-59-7-31. The bond estimate is a total of $82,298.76 including the inspection fees. What is the pleasure of the Board? Planning Board 16. October 31, 1988 Mr. Latham: Move we except the bond estimate and recommend same. to the Town Board. Mr. Ward: Second. Mr. Orlowski: Motion made and seconded. Any questions on. the motion? All those in favor? Vote of the Board; Ayes: Orlowski, Latham, Ward, Edwards. Mr. Orlowski: Opposed? So ordered. Mr. Orlowski: The Woods at Cutchogue- Board to review the bond estimate from the Engineer's report dated October 19, 1988. This major subdivision is on 29.540 acres located at Cutchogue. SCTM #1000-102-1-4. Total bond estimate with the fire well is $351,817.20. This also includes the inspection fees._ Mr. Edwards: I move we make that recommendation to the Town Board. Mr. Latham: Second. Mr. Orlowski: Motion made and seconded. Any questions on the motion? All those in favor? Vote of the Board; Ayes: Orlowski, Latham,.-Ward, Edwards. Mr. Orlowski: Opposed? So ordered. Mr. Orlowski: Long Meadow Estates- Board to review the Engineer' s report dated October 19, 1988. Board to set Monday, November 14, 1988 at 8:30 p.m. for a public- hearing on the question of preliminary ,approval. This major subdivision is on 36. 9636 acres located at Mattituck. SCTM #1000-113-7-19.2. Mr. Ward: I move we adopt the report of the Engineer. Mr. Latham: Second. Mr. Orlowski: Motion made and seconded. Any questions on the motion? All those in favor? Vote of the Board; Ayes: Orlowski, Latham, Ward, Edwards. Mr. Orlowski: Opposed? So ordered. The. Preliminary hearing? Mr. Ward: I make a motion that we set the hearing for November 14th providing we have the revised maps. Mr. Latham: Second. Planning Board 17 October 31, 1988 Mr. Orlowski: Motion_ made and seconded. Any questions on the motion? All those in favor? Vote of the Board; Ayes: Orlowski, Latham, Ward, Edwards. .Mr. Orlowski: Opposed? So ordered. Mr. Orlowski: Next we have Randall Feinberg- In regard to a change of zone. Board to make a recommendation to the. Town Board on the proposal for a change of zone from. "A" Residential and Agricultural District to "C" Light Industrial District on certain property located on the south side of Sound Avenue, Mattituck. SCTM ##1000-121-3-6. Mr. Latham: I move we recommend denial of the application. The Master Plan .calls for Agricultural Conservation, even so it is not. . . Mr. Edwards: I will make the recommendation that the petition be denied for the following reasons:. 1. The applicant' s claim that the existing buildings on the property are not suitable or capable of any permitted use under the present zoning code has not been supported by documentation. The zoning code provides for several uses other than single family residential dwellings.. For example.: Section 100-30.B. provides for certain. uses by Special Exception; some of which may be applicable to this property. The applicant has. not shown that he has tried to pursue any of these options. Therefore, it cannot be assumed that the property is unusable. under the current zoning. 2. The surrounding zoning in the area is A-Residential.. To rezone this piece only for the express purpose of benefiting said property owner would be spot zoning, which is illegal. 3 . The introduction of industrial uses on a heavily travelled, poorly designed stretch of road that is slated to be impacted by the numerous developments is not responsible. This I believe the whole board is in agreement to. Mr. Orlowski: O.K. Mr. Latham: Second. Mr. Orlowski: Motion made and seconded. Any questions on the motion? All those in favor? Vote of the Board; Ayes: Orlowski, Latham, Ward, Edwards. Funning Board 18 October. 31, 1988 Mr.. Orlowski: Opposed? So ordered. Mr. Orlowski: Friemann/Rienecker- Board to authorize the .Chairman to endorse the final map dated as amended September 12, 1988. This site plan is located on the Main Road at. Cutchogue. SCTM #1000-102-2-24. Mr. Ward: So moved. Mr. Latham: Second. Mr. Orlowski: Motion made and seconded. Any questions on the motion? All those in favor? Vote of the Board; Ayes: Orlowski, Latham, Ward, Edwards. Mr. Orlowski: Opposed? So ordered. (4 maps signed) Mr. Orlowski: Mullen Motors- Board to make a final determination on the map dated September 28, 1989. This site plan is located on the Main. Road at Southold. SCTM #1000-62-3-20. Everything is in order. What is the pleasure of the Board? Mr. Bressler: .Eric J. Bressler, agent to the applicant. Wickham, Wickham & Bressler. Is everything in order .f.or final approval on this map, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Orlowski: I think so, unless you have something you want to tell us. Mr. Bressler: No not at this point. I would only like to. make sure by inspection that the map that the Board. is looking at is indeed the latest map. Mr. Orlowski: October 26. Mr. Latham: When does this take place? As soon as they stop parking in those spots, as soon as we approve it tonight? Mr. Bressler: I know I pulled up there the other day and I didn't park. there. Mr. Latham: Good for you. Mr. Ward: So moved. Mr. Latham: Second. Mr. Orlowski: Motion made and seconded to approve and sign. Any questions on the motion? All those in favor? Planning Board 19 October 31, 1988 Vote of the Board; Ayes: Orlowski, Latham, Ward, Edwards. Mr. Orlowski: Opposed? So ordered. ( 4 maps signed) Mr. Orlowski: Discussions: Irving Newman- Board to discuss this minor subdivision with the applicant. This parcel is on 16.4 acres located at Orient. SOTM #1000-19-1-5. Ms. Gordon: Lynn Gorden. I have pictures for you tonight with colors. Mr. Orlowski: We like that. Ms. Gordon: It will keep you awake, at least. The latest communication I had from the Board is an indication that you are concerned. about Health Department approvals- will go beyond the ten foot contour line. I appreciate your. concern,. but I got my Health Department approvals on the old one. They go much beyond the ten foot. I think the point that we have to look at is where the ten foot contour line is. And what we can do to avoid construction below that line. I have indicated, with a red pen, the contour lines. The ten. foot contour line is the one to the far north in red. It comes down a little and runs direct south and comes back down. O.K. What you seem to be asking us to do is to get four houses within that area which maybe is two acres at the most. Yet I don' t think that is what .you are. intending because you are asking us to do three, .two...acre lots with the fourth encompassing the remainder of the property. I brought Mr. Young who says it can not be done. I don't think it can be done. . Maybe what you are indicating is that you want us to go as close to the ten foot as we can. The yellow lines on the map. . .let me tell you what the green and blue ones are first. The green/blue, which was supposed to be green but got a little carried away, those are the original that you. sent back to us two months ago and said why don't you make them look like this. We went to Mr. Young and. he suggested that where the yellow lines are would be more practical because of the triangular shape of the parcel most to the north. Making the angles less then that wouldn't be a very buildable lot. Have I confused everybody so far? Mr. Latham: No. Ms. Gordon: O.K. What else can we tell you? I really think that there just has been a problem in understanding where the .ten foot contour lines were. We have moved back the house quite a bit. The building envelope. In Howie' s suggestion of 10/8/88, which is the yellow marking. From its original location which was much closer to the ponds. We have moved the building envelope back toward the road considerably. Mr. Latham: Is there any water toward the north of the pond? That low area. That gets water in there sometimes. Planning Board 20 October 31, 1988 Mr. Ward: It' s all weeds. Mr. Young: I think the other side of the pond, to the south, is one of those. dikes to keep out the tides when they are abnormal. When they had crops there. I think we were both confused by the resolution. Mr. Orlowski: It was a question whether it could be done or not. That is why you are here tonight. I think you have answered it. Mr. Ward: Our concern was to not provide the house close into the phragmites, because we are down ,to an elevation five there. If we could stay back closer to the ten, then the fill to be brought in and the impact on..the marsh and everything else is substantially less. What the .problem is here is staying with the two acre lots. Is that what it is? Mr. Young: .I don' t think so. I think what was the confusion was the understanding of what you meant by keeping everything north of the. . . then I think the map you sent back from the staff had lots below the ten contour. The resolution was saying was don't put any lots. . . Mr. Orlowski: one lot. Mr. Young: -I think it has to be. two lots. If the ten contour goes all the way up to here, which it does, I think you show two lots below the ten contour. Mr. Ward: If we are between ten and. five, we are closer to the ten then we would be the five'.- Mr. Young: I am not arguing with you. We had some lines out here. The first lot, when.you go with a two acre lot, because of the angle here you do lose a lot of buildable area. My suggestion was trying to keep it, was that we go with a three .n acre lot here, we can put the first lot line here, the two two acre lots in here and then we would have the fourth lot of nine acres here and a building envelope in staying back two hundred feet from the pond with a building envelope that could be quite large. Which would be a building envelope from here to here based on your orders for a two hundred foot set back. Mr. Latham: The houses to the west are back farther. There are a couple of small houses back there. That is my concern. Mr. Young: I think what we are talking about is maybe a set back and not a lot lire. Mr. Ward: Maybe. Put the house back. Mr. Young: We certainly will be out of the DEC jurisdiction once we are a hundred feet away. If you want us to be two hundred feet away. Planning Board 21 October 31, 1988 , Mr. Ward: Why don't you go four or five hundred feet? Mr. Orlowski: Is this different? Mr. Ward: Make the building envelope substantially less on that last lot. Mr. Orlowski: This two' hundred feet you show, is that this latest map. Mr. Young: No. That was the seventy five foot set back line here. We would go about two hundred to that house it looks like. Mr. Orlowski: Are you on the ten foot contour? Mr. Young: No. That is the five foot contour, I believe. We were showing proposed contours. This was a proposed grading plan here. This is the five contour and this is the ten contour. We showed some proposed grading around the house of the amount of fill we have to put in to build it there. Mr. Orlowski: O.K. Mr. Ward: Now we want to come back like this. Mr. Young: If I could., Mr. Newman is here and I think he would like to live there. Certainly he wants to .get you approval, but I am not sure that he wants to build out. on- the Main Road. We are all concerned about the environment. We have certain guide lines and set backs. Mr. Ward: Our concern here, is that of the time we almost mandated cluster and put one acre lots up close to the Main Road. That is the way we personally felt about it, but we realized that the larger lots, because the configuration of the first lot will be a little difficult to do. Our concern was that it in any future subdivision in this area we will be pulling the houses back as close to the Main Road as we can. Mr. Latham: I am thinking of the whole, from east of there is not going to be anything. Just west of .you is open, that is Hoey' s I believe, we don.'t know about that. Just west of that is Dianna Latham who has two small houses back away from the water. Mr. Young: I don' t have a problem with that. I think that is what Planning Board' s are all about. I think you will look at the broad thing. I am not having a problem with you. I don' t disagree with what you are saying. If you say that for everybody then you say it to everybody. There are some people that care about what they see from the Main Road. They travel out to Orient and they want it to look the way it has look for years. If you cluster all the houses on the Main Road, that is the problem too. If you want to cluster them in the middle, that is something you might want to look at. Planning Board 22 October 31, 1988 Ms. - Gordon: The wet lands are out of this all together. That is something- that we are dealing with the DEC on the wet lands and who is getting them. Somebody wonderful is going to get the wet lands. We are a long way from the. wet lands at this point in time. Mr. Young: I think if we had a guide line. If you suggest a number, which I think Dick Ward has. Mr. Orlowski: Is that alright. What did you say? Mr. Ward: The set back will be four hundred feet. instead of two hundred. It would be closer to the major portion of the upland. Mr. Young: What he suggests is that this is two hundred feet and did the same lot variations. We double that and come up here and therefore you would have it like this. Leave the lot the same except we will restrict it to a building envelope that is four hundred feet. Is that right? Ms. Gordon: Your house has got to be on the other side of the water. Mr. Young: This is still a considerable building lot, because we are talking about a nine acre lot. Mr. Edwards: The other lots, will remain the Same. Just your building envelope will be different. Mr. Young: Four hundred foot? Mr. Orlowski: O.K. Is that alright? Mr. Ward: Your just making the building envelope smaller. Ms. Gordon: O.K. So we just have to submit another sketch showing this. Mr. Orlowski: Right. Ms. Gordon: Thank you very much. Mr. Orlowski: Do you want to make a motion for sketch subject to those changes? Mr. Edwards: Sure. Mr. Latham: I' ll second it. Mr. Orlowski: Motion made and seconded. Any questions on the motion? All those in favor? Vote of the Board; Ayes: Orlowski, Latham, Ward, Edwards. Planning Board 23 October 31, 1988 Mr. Orlowski: Opposed? So ordered. Mr. Orlowski: Amendment to Chapter A106 (Subdivision of Land)- Board' to make a determination on the amendment to Chapter A106 Sections 22. A. (2) and .23. A. (2) pertaining to an increase in fees for minor and major subdivisions. What is the pleasure of the Board? Mr. Ward: Move f.or adoption. Mr. Latham: Second. Mr. Orlowski: Motion made and seconded. Any questions on the motion? All those in favor.) Vote of the Board; Ayes: Orlowski., Latham, Ward, Edwards. Mr. Orlowski: Opposed? So ordered. Mr. Orlowski: I know you don't have anything left on your agenda, but on mine is the Cove at Southold. The applicant has asked us what we would like. I believe in talking with the trustees, they don' t have any problem. with putting the pool and tennis courts back down by the unit. They will have to..go before the trustees. Do you want to make that a motion? Mr. Ward: I think it will be the pool. I don't know that the tennis court will go back down. Mr. Orlowski: No, probably not. Mr. Edwards: What is the motion to be? For the applicant to go back to the Trustees? Mr. Orlowski: And proceed in putting the pool deck into the complex itself and. not on the . . . Mrs. Wacker: I once took a ride down there, where the pool was originally suppose to be, on that high tide. It is under water. Also one of the. foundations that are there would have been flooded to the first floor. Mr. Ward: Originally where it was suppose to go? Mr. Orlowski: You guys want to put the swimming pool there now? Mr. Ward: I think there is some engineering things that could be done. If they raised it a foot or two. Elevation wise. It certainly will be better then putting it out on Main Bayview. Mrs. Wacker: Why do they need a swimming pool. They are right on the creek. Planning Board 24 October 31, 1988 Mr. Orlowski: We can not see putting the pool on Bayview Road. If they want to put it down where the complex is then let the Trustees see if it should go there or not. O.K. Mr. Ward: So moved. Mr. Latham: Second. Mr. Orlowski: Motion made and seconded. Any questions on the motion? All those in favor? Vote of the Board; Ayes: Orlowski, Latham, Ward, Edwards. Mr. Orlowski: Opposed? So ordered. Mr. Orlowski: Motion to adjourn. Mr. Ward: So moved. Mr. Latham: Second. Mr. Orlowski: Opposed? So- ordered. Meeting was adjourned at 8: 30. Respectfully submitted, e11 M. Thorp, Secretary anning Board BENNETT ORLO KI,JR. , RMAN RECEIVED AND FILED BY THE SOUTHOLD.TOWN CLERK DATE l/YI199 HOUR V Town Clerk, Town of Southold