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P.O. Box 1179
Southold, New York 11971
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PLANNING BOARD OFFICE
TOWN OF SOUTHOLD
PLANNING BOARD MINUTES
AUGUST 30, 1988
The Southold Town Planning Board held a regular meeting on
Monday, August 30, 1988 at 7 :30 p.m. at the Southold Town Hall,
Main Road, Southold. .
PRESENT WERE:
Befinett Orlowski,Jr. , Chairman
Member William F. Mullen,Jr.
Member G. Ritchie Latham, Jr.
Member Richard G. Ward
Member Kenneth Edwards
Town Planner Valerie Scopaz
Planner Melissa Spiro
Building_ Inspector Victor Lessard
Secretary Jill Thorp
Mr. Orlowski: I would like to bring this meeting to order.--First -
order of business is Kings Bay Partners- Public hearing on the
the question of final approval for this minor subdivision. This
parcel is on 23. 44 acres located at Orient. SCTM #1000-27-3-4.
We have proof of publication in the Suffolk Times and also in
the Long Island Traveler/Watchman. At this time everything is in
order for a public hearing. I will ask if there are any
objections to this minor subdivision? Hearing none, are there
any endorsements of this minor subdivision?
Ms. Vero: My name is Georgene Vero. I am here on behalf of the
partnership and we thank the .Board for their time and
consideration.
Mr. Orlowski: O.K. Any other endorsements of the this minor
subdivision? Hearing none any questions from the Board? Mr.
Latham? Mr. Mullen? Mr. Ward? Mr. Edwards?
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Reply of Board: None.
Mr. Orlowski: Ms. Scopaz? l
Ms. Scopaz: No. I think all the covenants and restrictions meets
everybody' s requirements.
Mr. .Orlowski: O.K. Being no further questions, I declare this
hearing closed and thank you for coming. Since everything is in
order with this application and there are no comments or
questions or any problems, I will entertain a motion to approve.
Mr. Ward: So moved.
Mr. Edwards: Second.
Mr. Orlowski: Motion made and seconded. Any questions on the
motion? All those in favor to approve and sign?
Vote of the Board; Ayes: Orlowski, Mullen, Latham, Ward, Edwards.
Mr. Orlowski: Opposed? So ordered. (.Chairman Signed 4 maps) .
Mr. Orlowski: .Board to set Monday, September 12, 1988, at 7: 30
p.m. at the Southold Town Hall, Main Road, Southold as the time
and place for the next regular Planning Board meeting.
Mr. Edwards: So moved.
Mr. Ward: Second.
Mr. Orlowski: Motion made and seconded. Any questions on the
motion? All those in favor?
Vote of the Board; Ayes: Orlowski, Mullen, Latham, Ward, Edwards.
Mr. Orlowski: Opposed: So ordered.
Mr. Orlowski: Henry Domaleski- Board to make a determination
on the final Maps of this major subdivision, survey dated June
24, 1988. Board to authorize the Chairman to endorse the survey.
This parcel is on 21.7329 acres located at Cutchogue. SCTM
#1000-95-1-p/oll.
Mr. Latham: .Move to approve and sign it.
Mr. Mullen: Second.
Mr. Orlowski: Motion made and seconded. Any questions on the
motion? All those in favor?
Vote of the Board; Ayes: Orlowski, Mullen, Latham, Ward, Edwards.
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Mr. Orlowski: Opposed? So ordered. (Chairman endorsed 4 maps)
Mr. Orlowski: Henry Lytle—Board to authorize the Chairman to
endorse the survey dated July 18, 1988. this parcel is on 9. 06
acres located at Peconic. SCTM #1000-68-1--13.
Mr. Mullen: Move to sign.
Mr. Ward: Second.
Mr. Orlowski: Motion made and :seconded. Any questions on the
motion? All those in favor?
Vote of the Board; Ayes: Orlowski, Mullen, Latham, Ward, Edwards.
Mr. Orlowski: Opposed? So ordered. (Chairman signed 4 maps)
Mr. Orlowski: Walter Grabie- Board to discuss the Suffolk
County Planning Commission review of July 8, 1988. Board to set
Monday, September 12, 1988, at 7 :30 _p.m. for a public hearing on
the question of final approval for this lot line change on Main
Road at Mattituck. SCTM #1000-114-11- 7.1 & 9. On the .Suffolk
County comments they are all basically standard comments which
we have overridden many times before. What is the pleasure?
Mr. Mullen: So moved that we override the:,,_,Suff.olk County
comments.
Mr. Ward: Second.
Mr. Orlowski: Motion made and seconded. Any questions on the
motion? All those in favor?
Vote of the Board; Ayes: Orlowski, Mullen, Latham, Ward, Edwards.
Mr. Orlowski.: Opposed? So ordered. To set the Monday, September
12th?
Mr. Edwards.: So moved.
Mr. Ward: Second.
Mr. Orlowski: Motion made and seconded. Any questions on the
motion? All those in favor?
Vote of the Board; Ayes: Orlowski, Mullen, Latham, Ward, Edwards.
Mr. Orlowski: Opposed? So ordered.
Mr. Orlowski: Chardonnay Woods- Board to make a determination
on the preliminary maps on this major subdivision, survey dated
Planning Board Page 4 August 30, 1988
March 1988. This parcel is on 44.376 acres located at Southold.
SCTM #1000-51-3-3. Everything is in order for approval. There is
a question on the drainage. Our engineer' s have assured us that
everything 'is fine. This is preliminary approval. What is the
pleasure of the Board?
Mr. Ward: Move for preliminary approval.
Mr. Latham: So moved.
Mr. Orlowski: Motion made and seconded. Any questions on the
motion? All those in favor?
Vote of the Board; Ayes: Orlowski, Mullen, Latham, Ward, Edwards.
Mr. Orlowski: Opposed? So ordered.
Mr. Orlowski: Elijah' s Lane Estates, Section 3- Board to make
a determination on the preliminary maps on this major
subdivision, survey dated April 11, 1988. This parcel is on 18. 2
acres located at Mattituck. SCTM #1000-108-4-7 .1. One of' the
questions we had was money or land for park and playground. I
think the Board is more in favor of money instead of land since
we do not know what happens with the land later on some times.
Also a question of swaled roads for both sections instead of
putting the drainage on to the. . .
Mr. Ward: I think we should let the engineer evaluate the
recharge basin to see if it could be possibly deepened to
accommidate the increased capacity; then we could possibly
leave the curbs and paving just as 'it is on the other two
sections. I think that should be searched out first before we go
to the swales.
Mr. Orlowski: We definitely want to take the drainage out of the
open space?
Mr. Ward: Yes.
Mr. Hand: My name is Donald Hand, Berton and Hand. I am the
engineer for the project. I understand you just said you wanted'
to take the drainage out of the open space.
Mr. Orlowski: Yes.
Mr. Hand: What would you like to do with it?
Mr. Orlowski: We would like to see if that drainage that you
have there now is sufficient to carry the whole subdivision.
Mr. Hand: Do you mean in Section II or Section I?
Mr. Orlowski: Section I.
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Mr. Hand: We did a study with Mr. Brown, your engineer. He
determine that it was quite adequate but he determined that he
would also like. . . the pitch is back. The way this thing is.
built, the road pitches back. In talking with .Mr. Brown we
determine that we can put a ponding area here. Using a series of
leaching pools. We have no problem with deepening it or to make
a regular recharge basin. The problem is .once we get any deeper
we are. going to have to put a fence up. Then it is going to
destroy the rural idea back in there.
Mr. Orlowski: I think you are also going to destroy that open
space that is left there by digging it out.
Mr. Hand: This is an over flow area sir.
Mr. Orlowski: Right
Mr. Hand:- The water will only be here after the water flows
through. I believe there is like fourteen pools_.
Mr. Orlowski: What we are saying is that if it can't be handled
by running back then maybe we can do it with a. swaled system. We
would like to look into a way to do it and eliminate the
overflow going into the open space.
Mr. Hand: We have no problem with that. There are fifteen pools,
that is what they: wanted, to dissipate all of the water that
came off the road. And if there was an overflow, put it back
there. I think we called for 'all of the homes to have drywells
and gutters. Will Mr.. Brown get in touch with my office.
Mr. Orlowski: Yes. We will go over this with our engineer and
see if we can eliminate going into that open space at all.
Mr. Hand: That will be fine with us.
Mr. Orlowski: Alright. On the preliminary maps, what is the
pleasure of the Board? We can make it subject to review of the
drainage.
Mr. Ward: I think if we just leave it that it is to be
eliminated from the open space.
Mr. Orlowski: O.K.
Mr. Ward: So moved.
Mr. Edwards: Second.
Mr. Orlowski: Motion made and seconded. Any questions on the
motion? All those in favor?
Vote of the Board; Ayes: Orlowski, Mullen, Latham, Ward, Edwards.
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Mr. Orlowski: Opposed? So ordered.
Mr. Orlowski: Cofam Realty Co.- Board to take action on the
sketch map for this minor subdivision, survey dated February 10,
1988. Board to start the coordination process to determine lead
agency and environmental significance. This parcel is on 4.178
acres located at Mattituck. SCTM #1000-122-7-3. I will entertain
a motion to start the coordination process and determine lead
agency.
Mr. Edward: So moved.
Mr. Ward: Second.
Mr. Orlowski: Motion made and seconded. Any questions on the
motion? All those in favor?
Vote of the Board; Ayes: Orlowski, Mullen, Latham, Ward, Edwards.
Mr. Orlowski: Opposed? So ordered. On the sketch itself? This
was the lot that Friendly' s was going to be on just, split into
two lots. It is pretty simply.
Mr. Ward: I vote for sketch approval.
Mr. Latham: Second.
Mr. Orlowski: Motion made and seconded. Any questions on the
motion? All those in favor?
Vote of the Board; Ayes: Orlowski, Mullen, Latham, Ward, Edwards.
Mr. Orlowski: Opposed? So ordered.
Mr. Orlowski: Cove Beach Estates- Board to send the Draft
Environmental Impact Statement to David Emilita, Planning
Consultant, for his review. This document was received by this
office. on August. 29, 1988. This parcel. is on 96 acres located
at East Marion. SCTM #1000-22-3-15.1 &. 18.3 .
Mr. Latham: So moved.
Mr. Mullen: Second.
Mr. Orlowski: Motion made and seconded. Any questions on the
motion? All those in favor?
Vote of the Board; Ayes: Orlowski, Mullen, Latham, Ward, Edwards.
Mr. Orlowski: Opposed? So ordered.
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Mr. Orlowski: Wolf Pit Associates- Board to review the
correspondence from the Suffolk County Planning Commission,
dated August 8, 1988. This parcel is on 65.3810 acres located at
Mattituck. SCTM #1000-107-4-2.1. Discussing with the Board, we
thought it would be O.K. to override the County comments except
for numbers 2,3,4 & 6. What is the pleasure of the Board?
Mr. Edwards: So moved.
Mr. Ward: There was one we were not going to override.
Mr. Orlowski: That was five.
Mr. Ward: Five is kind of insignificant because we are dealing
with flag lots here, and there are just two driveways. I don' t
see where it really matters. In other words there will never be
a fifty foot road there for two lots. I think that one and four,
the adequate restrictions be place on the buffer, that we can
handle four by an easement.
Ms. Spiro: You want to accept 2,3,4,6. You are overriding 1,5 &
7 .
Mr. Ward: Alright, you can override 1 because it is a cluster.
Mr. Orlowski: And 5 and 7.
Ms. Scopaz: I think since you have to send. the reasons to the
County, I think you should indicate that these are oversized
lots which this is reducing the density by more then half.
Mr. Ward: Also there is a significant drainage easement and
conservation easement making up for the preservation of land.
Ms. Scopaz: Right and that easement will prevent any use of that
portion of the property.
Mr. Ward: That they are concerned about.
Mr. Orlowski: O.K. Do. you want to put that in a form of a motion?
Mr. Ward: So move it if the girls can figure it- out.
Mr. Orlowski: Maybe you better spell it out.
Mr. Ward: Move for an override of the County memo dated August
4, 1988 accepting items 2,3 ,4 & 6 and that a conservation
easement and drainage easement will be provided. in the attached
sketch that we give them. In other words we will draw it as to
where we prefer to see it.
Mr. Orlowski: We will work on that easement at our next work
session. I don' t think the applicant had a problem with that.
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Mr. San Andres: I am not sure that I am following this. Are you
saying that you are accepting one, five and seven. Then two,
there happens to be a, Lilco. easement, Mill Road and Mill Lane. I
think would prevent this. I don' t know what size radius.
Ms. Scopaz: That is at the intersection of Mill Road, when you
are going north on Mill-Road and you are turning left at that
little triangle.
Mr. .San Andres: That is- right.
Ms. Scopaz: They just want a little taking to even out the
turning radius. That is all they are asking for.
Mr. San Andres: O.K. Three, that would be in covenants and
Restriction.
Mr. Orlowski: It would be. The County recommends that we are
going to keep this. The other thing is to work out an easement
over the property. The Board will take a look at' that in the
field and also at our work session and get back to you as to
where we would like to see it.
Mr. San Andres: O.K. Thank you.
Mr. Orlowski: Motion made and seconded. All those in favor?
Vote of the Board; Ayes: Orlowski, Mullen,. :Latham, Ward, Edwards.
Mr. Orlowski: Opposed? . So ordered.
Mr. Orlowski:. North Grove Estates at Cutchogue (Greenfield
Estates)- Board to accept and request compliance with the
Engineer' s report dated August 3, 1988. This parcel is on
46.5712 acres located at Southold. SCTM #1000-95-4-4.1.
Mr. Mullen: Request compliance with the. Engineer' s report.
Mr. Latham: I second the motion.
Mr. Orlowski: Motion made and seconded. Any questions on. the
motion? All those in favor?
Vote of the Board; Ayes: Orlowski, Mullen, Latham, Ward,
Edwards.
Mr. Orlowski: Opposed? So ordered.
Mr. Orlowski: Henry Arbeeny- Board to accept and request
compliance with the Engineer's report dated August 1, 1988. This
parcel is on 7 .592 acres located at Southold. SCTM #1000-59-7-31.
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Mr. Latham: Move it.
Mr. Ward: Second.
Mr. Orlowski: Motion made and seconded. Any questions on the
motion? All those in favor?
Vote of the Board; Ayes: Orlowski, Mullen, Latham, Ward, Edwards.
Mr. Orlowski: Opposed?. So ordered.
Mr. Orlowski: Mattituck Creek Estates- Board to make a
determination on the granting of an extension. This parcel is on
18.9108 acres located at Mattituck. SCTM #1000-107-1-2. I think
that we all agreed that there is- a problem with the layout. To
grant an extension would just be wasting both our time and
energy. Any one here representing the. applicant? What is the
pleasure of the Board.
Mr. Edwards: Move for denial.
Mr. Latham: Second.
Mr. Orlowski: Motion to deny. Any questions on the motion? All
those in favor?
Vote of the Board; Ayes: Orlowski, Mullen.,., .Latham, Ward, Edwards.
Mr. Orlowski: Opposed? So ordered.
Mr. Orlowski: East Wind Corp.- Board to authorize the Chairman
to endorse the survey dated April 18, 1987. This site plan is
located on King Street at Cutchogue. SCTM #1000-117-8-6.
Mr. Mullen: So moved.
Mr. Edwards: Second.
Mr. Orlowski: Motion made and seconded. Do you want to put in
the motion that it would be subject to Health Department
approval if need be? Did you want to put that in your motion?
Mr. Edwards: Yes, I will amend it accordingly.
Mr. Orlowski: They also have the conditions of the final
approval on the survey. Motion made and seconded. Any questions
on the motion? All those in favor?
Vote of the Board; Ayes: Orlowski, Mullen, Latham, Ward, Edwards.
Mr. Orlowski: Opposed? So ordered.
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Mr. Orlowski: PK.B. Associates- Board to send this survey, dated
and amended August 15, 1988, to the Building Department for
certification. Board to start the coordination process to
determine Lead Agency and Environmental Significance.
SCTM #1000-55-5-8,9,10. What is the pleasure of the Board.)
Mr. Ward: So moved.
Mr. Mullen: Second..
Mr. Orlowski.: Motion made and seconded to start the coordination
process and determine lead agency. Any questions on the motion?
All those in favor?
Vote of the Board; Ayes: Orlowski, Mullen, Latham, Ward, Edwards.
Mr. Orlowski: Opposed? So ordered. To send the survey over to
the Building Department for certification. Also noting we need
valid water and sewer before final approval is granted.
Mr. Edwards: So moved.
Mr. Latham: Second.
Mr. Orlowski: Motion made and seconded. Any .questions . on the
motion? All those in favor?
Vote of the Board; Ayes: Orlowski, MullenP Latham, Ward, Edwards.
Mr. Orlowski: Opposed? So ordered.
Mr. Orlowski: Young' s Marina- Board to send this site plan,
survey dated March 23, 1988, to the Building Department for
certification. This parcel is located at Greenport.
SCTM #1.000-57-1-38.3. Also to let them know that we need valid
sewer and water.
Mr—Latham: Move it.
Mr. Ward: Second.
Mr. Orlowski: Motion made and seconded. Any questions on the
motion? All those in favor?
Vote of the Board; Ayes: Orlowski, Mullen, Latham, Ward, Edwards.
Mr. Orlowski: Opposed? So ordered.
Mr. Orlowski: John Polywoda- Board to send this site plan,
survey dated March 23, 1988, to the Building Department for
certification.
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Mr. Edwards: So moved.
Mr. Latham: Second.
Mr. Orlowski: Motion made and seconded. Any' questions on the
motion? All those in favor?
Mr. Orlowski: Opposed? So ordered. Also to make a determination
on the site plan under the State Environmental Quality Review
Act.
Mr. Latham: So moved.
Mr. Mullen: Seconded.
Mr. Ward: Are you going to do uncoordinated review.
Mr. Orlowski: Yes.
Mr. Ward: Then I think we should move that and neg. dec. that at
the same time.
Mr. Orlowski: O.K. We have a motion made and seconded. Any
questions on the motion? All those in favor?
Vote of the Board; Ayes: Orlowski, Mullen, Latham, Ward, Edwards.
Mr. Orlowski: Opposed? So ordered.
Mr. Orlowski: Fishers Island Country Club- Board to make a
determination on this site plan, survey dated and amended July
30, 1988. This parcel is located on Fishers Island.
SCTM #p1000-4-4-9.'
Mr. Ward: I move for approval. I just would make it subject to
the grading and drainage being contained on site. There is no
definitive, there is so much property that there is no real
definitive answer as to how they are handling it.
Mr. Edwards: I am sure there will be no problem with it.
Mr. Ward: They are going to do a good job but it is not shown on
the plan.
Mr. Edwards: We did not ask for that on the first revision, I
think it would be unjust to ask them to redo another site plan.
I will make sure that they do.
Mr. Orlowski: Motion made and seconded. Any questions on the
motion? All those in favor?
Vote of the Board; Ayes: Orlowski, Mullen, Latham, Ward, Edwards.
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Mr. Orlowski: Opposed? So ordered.
Mr. Orlowski.: Arthur gunge= Board to recommend the issuance of
a Certificate of Occupancy by the Building Department subject to
a one year review by the Planning Board. SCTM #1000-96-1-19: It
needs some additional curbing by the south side entrance,
parking area and all sides of the parking lot and the back
should be seeded as per our inspection report today. Otherwise,
everything appears to be in order. You were out there Mr.
Edwards?.
Mr. Edwards: Yes.
Mr. Orlowski: What is the pleasure of the Board?
Mr. Edwards: I move we send- it to the Building Department.
Mr. Mullen: Second.
Mr. Orlowski: Motion made and seconded. Any questions on the
motion? All those in favor?
Vote of the Board; Ayes: Orlowski, Mullen, Latham, Ward, Edwards.
Mr. Orlowski: Opposed? So ordered.
Mr. Orlowski: O.K. We just have one more item on the agenda,
Filing of maps. There seems to be a discrepancy on policy or a
-misunderstanding in our policy. Section 335 of the Real Property
Law requires ,that all subdivision maps be filed. The Planning
Board as of tonight, August 30, 1988, will require that 2 mylars
and 4 paper prints with Health Department approval, be submitted
for the Chairman to endorse at the time of final approval. After
the maps are signed, 2 mylars will be- returned to the applicant
to be filed with the County Clerk' s office in Riverhead within
thirty ( 30) days of the Chairman' s signature. One of the filed
mylars must. be returned to the Planning Board office along with
seven (7) -paper prints of this mylar.
Mr. Ward: So moved.
Mr. Latham: Second.
Mr. Orlowski: Motion made and seconded to adopt this as policy.
Any questions on the motion?
Mr. Ward: There is no distinction with minor or major. Correct.
It is just subdivisions?
Ms. Spiro: Everything.
Mr. Ward: This will be posted in what we hand out to applicants?
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Mr. Orlowski: Yes,. We will also send it out to the pending
applicants. Any other questions on the motion? All those in
favor?
Vote of the Board; Ayes: :Orlowski, Mullen, Latham, Ward, Edwards.
Mr. Orlowski: Opposed? So ordered.
Mr. Orlowski: I have nothing left on my agenda. Any questions
from the Board? Mr. Mullen? Mr. Latham? Mr. Ward? Mr. Edwards?
Mr. Edwards: No questions, just a comment if I may. I behalf of
the ,Board it was Benny' s birthday yesterday, I wish him a happy
birthday. I bought him a little gift from Fishers Island that he
can stick on his belt bag so he know were he is going.
Mr. Orlowski: Thank you. I would like to .mention that Joan is
leaving us. Tomorrow is her last day. We are going to miss her.
She has done a find job. She is going to real. job. Watch .out for
all our children and grandchildren that she will be teaching.
Good luck.
Board: Good luck Joan.
Mr. Orlowski: Any other questions or comments? .Hearing none I
will entertain a motion.
Mr. Latham: Motion to adjourn.
Mr. Edwards: Second.
Mr. Orlowski.: Motion made and seconded.- Any questions on the
motion? All those in favor?
Vote of the Board; Ayes: Orlowski, Mullen, Latham, . Ward, Edwards.
Mr. Orlowski: Opposed? So ordered.
Meeting was adjourned at. 8:05 p.m.
Respectively submitted,
ill M. Thorp, Secretary
Southold Town Planning Board
, 1r, Cnairman
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RECEIVED AND FILED BY
THE SOUTHOLD.TUB'114 CLERK
DATE ����� HOUR 3Y S,0 e-'°t
Town Clerk, Town of Southold