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HomeMy WebLinkAboutPB-01/13/1992 o��gr�FFO(�-co o� Gyp PLANNING BOARD MEMBERS o SCOTT L. HARRIS Bennett Orlowski, Jr., Chairman Oy� • �`� Supervisor George Ritchie Latham, Jr. Ol �a0 Richard G. Ward Town Hall, 53095 Main Road Mark S. McDonald P.O. Box 1179 Kenneth L. Edwards PLANNING BOARD OFFICE Southold, New York 11971 Telephone (516) 765-1938 TOWN OF SOUTHOLD Fax (516) 765-1823 SOUTHOLD TOWN PLANNING BOARD MINUTES JANUARY 13, 1992 Present were: Bennett Orlowski Jr. , Chairman G. Richie Latham, Member Mark McDonald, Member Richard Ward, Member Kenneth Edwards, Member Valerie Scopaz, Town Planner Melissa Spiro, Planner Holly Perrone, Secretary Jane Rousseau, Secretary Mr. Orlowski Board to set Monday, February 3 , 1991 at 7: 30 p.m. at the Southold Town Hall, Main Road, Southold as the time. and place for the next regular Planning Board- Meeting. Mr. Ward: Second. Mr. Orlowski: Motion made and seconded. Any questions on the motion? All those in favor? Ayes: Mr. Latham, ,;Mr. Ward, Mr. McDonald, Mr. Edwards, Mr. Orlowski. Mr. Orlowski: Opposed? So' ordered. PUBLIC HEARINGS Subdivisions - Final: Mr. Orlowski: 7: 30 p.m. East Coast Properties - This major" subdivision is for five lots on 10. 806 acres located on Alvah' s Lane in Cutchogue. SCTM #1000-10'1=1-16.1. We have Y I SOUTHOLD TOWN PLANNING BOARD 2 ' JANUARY 13, 1992 everything is in order for a public hearing. I' ll ask if there are any objections to this subdivision? Hearing none, are there any endorsements of this subdivision? Marie Ongioni: Good evening Mr. Chairman and Members of the Board. I am Marie Ongioni, I represent the applicants of East Coast Properties. I urge the Board to approve the subdivision of land before it. It appears that all of the requirements have been met and the mylars were submitted to your office last week, the revised covenants and restrictions have been submitted to the Board and it appears that all of the paper work is in order and I urge the Board to issue a prompt approval. Mr. Orlowski:. Any other endorsements of this subdivision? Hearing none, is there anyone out there neither pro nor con but may have information pertaining to this subdivision that may--be of interest to the Board? Any questions from the Board? Board: No questions. Mr. Orlowski: Being no further questions, I ' ll entertain a motion to adopt the engineer' s report and bond estimate. Mr. McDonald: Mr. Chairman, I would like to make a motion to adopt the engineer' s report and bond estimate dated December 19, 1991, and to recommend same to the Town Board . The bond estimate is in the amount of $25,000.00, with an inspection fee in the amount of $1,500.00. Mr. Ward: Second. Mr. Orlowski: Motion made and seconded. Any questions on the motion? All those in favor? Ayes: Mr. Ward, Mr. McDonald, Mr. Latham, Mr. Edwards, Mr. Orlowski. Mr. Orlowski: Opposed? So ordered. Mr. Orlowski: I ' ll entertain a motion to close the hearing. Mr. Latham: So moved. Mr. Ward: Second. Mr. Orlowski: Motion made and seconded. Any questions on the motion? All those in favor? Ayes: Mr. Latham, Mr. Edwards, Mr. McDonald, Mr. Ward, Mr. Orlowski. Mr. Orlowski: Opposed? So ordered. Mr. Orlowski: Does the Board have any pleasure? SOUTHOLD TOWN PLANNING BOARD 3 JANUARY 13 , , 1992 Mr. McDonald: Mr. Chairman, , I would like to offer the following resolution. WHEREAS, this major subdivision, to be. known as East Coast Properties, is for five lots on 10. 806 acres; and WHEREAS, East Coast Properties is the owner of the property known and designated as SCTM #1000-101-16.1, located on the northwest side of Alvah' s Lane in Cutchogue; and WHEREAS, , the Southold Town Planning Board, pursuant to the State Environmental Quality Review Act, (Article 8) , Part '617, declared itself Lead Agency and issued a Negative Declaration on March 5, 1990; and WHEREAS, the final public hearing was closed on said subdivision application at the Town Hall, Southold, New York on January 13 , 1992; and WHEREAS, all the requirements of the Subdivision Regulations of the Town of Southold have been met; and I would like to make a motion that Be it therefore, RESOLVED, that the Southold Town Planning Board grant conditional final approval on the surveys dated December 5, 1991, subject to fulfillment of the following conditions. All conditions must be met within six (6) months of the date of this resolution. 1. A Letter of Credit, a Performance Bond or cash, in the amount of $25,000.00, must be submitted to the Planning Board office, and must be accepted by the Town Board. 2. The inspection fee, in the amount of $1,500. 00, must be submitted to the Planning Board office. 3. The Park and Playground fee, :in the amount of $10,000.00 ($2,000.00 per lot) must be submitted to the Planning Board office. 4,. The Declaration of Covenants and Restrictions must be filed in the office of the County Clerk, and a copy of the recorded Declaration must be submitted to the Planning Board. (The Declaration submitted on January 1, 1992, has been approved by the Town Attorney. ) 5. A copy of the Declaration of Covenants and Restrictions filed as a -condition of Health Department must be submitted to the Planning Board office. r SOUTHOLD TOWN PLANNING BOARD 4 JANUARY 13, 1992 6. Final maps (5 paper prints and 2 mylars) all containing the following must be submitted: A. The location of the firewell. B. A notation that a Declaration of Covenants and Restrictions has been filed, and the Liber and page number. C. A valid stamp of Health Department approval. The Health Department. stamp of approval must be valid at such time that all conditions are fulfilled and the maps are in proper form to be endorsed. Mr. Ward: Second. Mr. Orlowski: Motion made and seconded. Any questions on the motion? All those in favor? Ayes: Mr. Latham, Mr. Edwards, Mr. Ward, Mr. McDonald, Mr. Orlowski. Mr. Orlowski: Opposed? So ordered. Mr. Orlowski: 7:35 p.m. . Wolf Pit. Estates - Board to discuss amending the Declaration of Covenants and Restrictions for this major subdivision which is located on Mill Lane in Mattituck. SCTM #1000-107-4-2. 1. We have proof of publication in both the local papers but there was an incorrect tax map in the papers and also the name of the subdivision Wolf Pit Estates was not. in the papers. I ' ll entertain a motion to amend these covenants and restrictions. Mr. Ward: Mr. Chairman, I would like to offer the following resolution. RESOLVED that the Planning Board hereby adopts .the following wording which shall be used to amend the filed Covenants and Restrictions for Wolf Pit Estates: Covenant #5:. .that the said owners, their successors, grantees or assigns shall keep the said Wetland and Natural Vegetation Retention .Buffer Easement and Scenic and Natural Vegetation Retention Buffer Easement open and free of buildings and other structures including any billboards or advertising signs (the term "structure" and "building" shall be interpreted as including, but not limited to, swimming pools,.. patios,_ storage buildings, structures for. housing of domestic animals, boat or other trailers, recreational vehicles, retaining walls and bulkheads, o be added to this paragraph except that erosion control structures recommended by the United States Department of Agriculture's Soil Conservation Service may be installed within SOUTHOLD TOWN PLANNING BOARD 5 JANUARY 13 , 1992 the Scenic and Natural Vegetation Retention Buffer easement area provided their purpose is to control or to prevent erosion and the subsequent introduction of sediment into Mattituck Creek. And on .Item 6: That the natural vegetation and resources of said easements in its conditions shall remain undisturbed, and in its natural state, and to this end no top soil, sand, gravel, rock or minerals, shall be excavated nor removed therefrom, no grading shall be conducted on the said designated areas and no planting or fill shall be placed upon the said designated areas which would contribute to the erosion of the land, and no trees. on the said designated areas shall be cut or removed if no other plants or vegetation in said designated area shall be destroyed or removed,. To be added to this paragraph except that in the Scenic and Natural Vegetation Retention Buffer easement area only, vegetation shall be removed through periodic mowing of no more than four times per year to a height of no less than four (4) inches. Further, in the Scenic and Natural Vegetation Retention Buffer easement area, the grazing of any livestock shall be prohibited. Mr. Edwards: Second. Mr. Orlowski: ' I have a motion made ,and seconded. Any questions on the motion. . Mr. Dave Saland: Number 5, we are talking about further structures that can be placed upon the land. It was my feeling from Allen's report that no further structures were needed and I was wondering, when I present it to lot purchasers, how do I sell them the land, if there is a possibility in the future, that the Government and their wisdom to come in there. Are they to bear that. cost? It is ambiguous to me. Mr. Orlowski: Are you talking about buildings and other structures? Mr. Dave Saland: Well, they said at one time they wanted another .but there is a cement structure there now. They came back in five years and said to the land owners, we want another cement structure to again impede the flow of water or purify the water flow, how are my lot owners affected? Valerie: If I could address that Mr. Chairman. Allan' s original recommendation was .that the soil conservation service has worked with the prior land owner through the years and the existing erosion control structure on the property were a result of the cooperation of the Department of Agriculture. Over the years the need there may change and. it may be wise to leave it flexible as it has been so. if the situation should change and the landowner went to the, USDA and said, look, I need help, they could do that and respond to that need without getting tangled up in the covenants and restrictions. By doing this, SOUTHOLD TOWN PLANNING BOARD 6 JANUARY 13 , 1992 this would eliminate the need to have the berm that we. originally decided had to be put in. What we are saying is that that berm that the Town Engineers had recommended would not have to be installed. The existing could continue to be used and if necessary, be modified if the situation changed and you needed it. Maybe, if you could let that be clarified? Mr. Saland: I 'm just worried that an attorney may take me at a closing and if they call for another berm,. who pays for it? Right now, the land has been that way .for hundreds of years and it has worked. Most, of the runoff is on the farms north of me If we did put a berm in, as far as we know now, it just create more problems then what we have there now. Mr. McDonald: I see what Valerie is saying, but he is coming from the other side saying well, that is fine but who is responsible? This means that anytime in the future that the soil conservation service could come in and tell somebody they could do this or that, who pays for it? Everyone talking. Mr. McDonald: So, it was put in with the intent of allowing the owner some flexibility if there is a future problem. I think it was also for the Town because we know there is going to be continued run-off. Hopefully, there won-It be anything very significant because of the measures that this' is. suppose to take care of but if there was, what would we do to take care of it? The question is, who pays for it? Mr. Saland: Also, let's say I sell the lots in the next year or so, it is no longer my responsibility, what good is this amendment and you now have the individual lot owners? Mr. McDonald: Well, that is it where the structure goes, are they the people responsible for it? That is the question you are asking, who gets the brunt of it? Everyone talking. Mr. Saland: I don't know what ideas they can come up with in ten years, they could come up with treat the water or one-hundred acres north of me and they could slap my land owners with it. Mr. Latham: Or additional berms. Mr. Saland: Who knows. This' is George Flag, he's the owner of lot number one which is also directly effected. Mr. Flag: I didn't really realize it until it was just brought UP but, I would certainly like. a clarification on it because my taxes are going to be high enough and if. I have to go and put a SOUTHOLD TOWN PLANNING BOARD 7 JANUARY 13 , 1992 dike across there to stop the water, I might just as well put a for sale sign up on my property right now if I 'm going to have to. be responsible for something like that because I just can' t afford it. I didn't think about it but it is a good question because frankly, I just wouldn't do it. Mr. Ward: Is this within a lot or the open space? Mr. Saland: What it is, is that it effects lots one, two, - three, four and five. The rear of two lots and then two or three lots heading down. .. . . . . . . . Everyone talking. Mr. McDonald: We've determined that whatever is there now is sufficient for this subdivision, right? What if you left that in but just specified that the cost wouldn't be borne by the owners. Don't say who does it, but say that the cost of such structures would not be borne by the owners. Mr. Flag: Unfortunately, I have no problem with that if you are talking about the unknown but what happens if they give me an eyesore. Mr. McDonald: Like a major .Dam or something. Mr. Flag: What happens if they give me a tower? Everyone talking. Mr. McDonald: You are saying some unsightly . . . . . . . . . Mr. Flag: They could put a flood gate of some kind there but it would be very expensive, I .mean they could do that. Controlling water. Mr. McDonald: I see where you are coming from, at the end point though we want to make sure that if something occurs, that we are not getting- the run-off directly into the creek. Mr. Saland: I think that in Allan's report, he mentioned that water run-off shouldn't really be treated at the end of the water run-off saying treat the problem itself. Ms. Scopaz: In answer to your earlier question about who would be responsible for maintaining the structures, I' believe in the declaration of covenants and restrictions that gave the Town the right to go in and maintain it if. maintenance of the berm was necessary. Maybe what we could do is word it that the Town would be responsible for maintaining the erosion control structures since we are substituting one for the .other. Mr. McDonald: He doesn't have any complaint with the economic aspects of it as long as the owners don't do it but the next 1 t SOUTHOLD TOWN PLANNING BOARD 8 JANUARY 13, 1992 problem is, what happens if something is constructed and the guy who. owns the property doesn' t want to look at? I mean, you buy the property knowing what it looks like today and sometime in the future someone says, well we do need the berm there and the berm has to be fourteen feet high. Ms. Scopaz: It is a. theoretical question and I think Allen is pretty clear in saying that he didn't think . . . . . . . . .. Mr. Saland: That is today, I 'm worrying about in five years tense. Also, what it is, is I sit down at a closing table and I file these C' s and R' s and the attorney is going to say to me let me see these C' s and R' s and let me see the amended C' s and R' s and I show him these amended C's and R' s, they aren't going to stop it, they are nervous. It is like a cloud, I 'don't know where it is going. You tell me it is going no where. Mr. Ward: The areas are being taken for drainage purposes and in the future the Town may need to do something about it. We don't really know what it is at this point. Mr. Saland: You have a berm. You've told me you are going to put an earth berm there, I went to Allen Connell and all Allen said to me is if you put an earth berm in there, all the water is going to back up and all your land behind the earth berm is going to die. All the wetland vegetation that you are trying to protect is going to erode and die. Mr. McDonald: That is today. So five years down the road it could be a different situation. That's what he' s coming to, the same problem you are facing that you have an uncertain future is the same problem we are facing. Mr. Saland: Maybe if you could word it that any cost would be borne by the soil and conservation as long as it is within, good taste isn't perhaps the word, but something that won't be offensive to the homeowners. Mr. Ward: How about, erosion control structure is required and constructed by the Town. Mr. Saland: You have got to add something that it won' t diminish the value. He is a private property owner, the Town is going to have the right to go on his property? Everyone talking. Mr. McDonald: Is there some way we can ask for the homeowners acquiescence in this and still have enough teeth in it that if ' it was needed it could be done? Everyone talking. SOUTHOLD TOWN PLANNING BOARD 9 JANUARY 13, 1992 Mr. McDonald: Did part of this language come from the Soil and Conservation Service? Ms. Scopaz: Not the exact wording but the content of it and I went over the wording with Allen and (inaudible) . Mr. Orlowski: We' ll keep this open. Mr. Saland: O.K. , I knew what the berm was but it only affected the. one lot. Lots number one, two and three are not affected at all and they didn't realize the water was going to spill back, I finally realized that. Mr. Ward: Mr. Chairman, I withdraw my motion. Mr. Orlowski: I ' ll entertain a motion that we keep the . hearing open. Mr. Ward: So moved. Mr. McDonald: Second. Mr. Orlowski: Motion made and seconded. Any questions on the motion? All those in favor? Ayes: Mr. McDonald, Mr. Ward, Mr. Latham, Mr. Edwards, Mr. Orlowski. Mr. Orlowski: Opposed? So ordered. Hearings Held Over From Previous Meetings: Mr. Orlowski: Eleanor Sievernich - This minor subdivision is for two lots on 3..743 acres located on the east side of Cox Neck Lane in Mattituck. SCTM # 1000-113-8-5. I ' ll ask if there are any comments on this, it is being held open while awaiting a final decision from the Zoning Board of Appeals. Hearing none, I 'll entertain a motion to. keep it open. Mr. Edwards: So moved. Mr. Ward: Second. Mr. Orlowski: Motion made and seconded. Any questions on the motion? All those in favor? Ayes: Mr. Edwards, Mr. Ward, Mr. Latham, Mr. McDonald, Mr. Orlowski. Mr. Orlowski: Opposed? So ordered. SOUTHOLD TOWN PLANNING BOARD 10 JANUARY 13 , 1992 MAJOR AND MINOR SUBDIVISIONS, LOT LINE CHANGES AND SET OFF APPLICATIONS PRELIMINARY EXTENSIONS Final Extensions: Mr. Orlowski: Salvatore & Jeanne Catapano This minor subdivision is for three lots -on 13 .73 acres located on the . . easterly side of South Harbor Road and Main- Road. in Southold. SCTM #1000-69-6-9-2. Mr. McDonald: Mr. Chairman, I would like to offer the following resolution. RESOLVED that the Southold Town Planning Board grant a ninety (90) day extension of conditional final approval. The ninety day extension will expire on Apri1' 22, 1991. This- will be the last extension that the Planning Board will be granting. Mr. Latham: Second. Mr. Orlowski: Motion made. and seconded. Any questions on the motion? All those in favor? Ayes: Mr. McDonald, Mr. Edwards, Mr. Orlowski, Mr. Ward, Mr. Latham. Mr. Orlowski: Opposed? So ordered. Mr. Orlowski: Marion Robins - This minor subdivision is for three lots on 6.039 acres located on the northeast corner of Baldwin Place and Little Neck Road located at East Cutchogue. SCTM #1000-103-10-2. Mr. Ward: Mr: Chairman, I would like to offer the following resolution. RESOLVED that the Southold Town Planning Board grant a ninety (90) day extension of conditional final approval. Conditional final approval was granted on July 15 , 1991. The 90 day extension will expire on April 15, 1992 unless all conditions of approval have been fulfilled. Mr. Edwards: Second. Mr. Orlowski: Motion made and seconded. Any questions on the . motion? All those in favor? ,Ayes: Mr. Edwards, Mr. Latham, Mr. Orlowski, Mr. McDonald, Mr. Ward. Mr. Orlowski: Opposed? So ordered. SOUTHOLD TOWN PLANNING BOARD 11 JANUARY 13 , 1992 Setting of Final Hearings: Mr. Orlowski: James Patrick Kelly - This minor subdivision is for two lots on 8.182 acres located on the north side of Main Road, on a private road known on Mill Path, approximately 800 feet east of Bay Home Road in Southold. SCTM #1000-56-1-4.1. Mr. Edwards: Mr. Chairman, I would like to offer the following resolution. ' RESOLVED that the Southold Town Planning Board set Monday, February 3, 1992 at 7:30 p.m. for a final public hearing on the maps dated August 21, 1990. Mr. Ward: Second. Mr. Orlowski: Motion made and seconded. Any questions on the motion? All those in favor? Ayes: Mr. Edwards, Mr. Latham, Mr. Ward, Mr. Latham, Mr. Orlowski. Mr. Orlowski: . Opposed? So ordered. Mr. Orlowski: William B. May & Jeanne A. May and Jeanne A. May individually - This lot line change is to subtract .33 of an acre from a 1.16 acre parcel and add it to a 1.8 acre parcel located on Fishers 'Island. In addition, lot 7 which consists of .58 acres, and the southern portion of Reservoir Road, consisting of 1.19 acres, will be merged with lot 9. sCTM # 10900-9-9-6.1,7,9. Mr. Edwards: Mr. Chairman, I would like to offer the following resolution. RESOLVED that the Southold Town Planning Board set Monday, February 3 , 1992 at 7:35 p.m. for a final public hearing on the maps dated August 26, 1991. Mr. Ward: Second. Mr. Orlowski: Motion made and. seconded. Any questions on the motion? All those in favor? Ayes: Mr. Ward, Mr. Latham, Mr. Edwards, Mr. McDonald, Mr. Orlowski. Mr. Orlowski: Opposed? So ordered. SOUTHOLD TOWN PLANNING BOARD 12 JANUARY 13 , 1992 Setting of Preliminary Hearings: Mr. Orlowski: Tide Group - This major subdivision is for eight lots on 29.11 acres located on the northwest corner of Middle Road and Depot Lane in the L10 District in Cutchogue. SCTM # 1000-96-1-1. Mr. Ward: Mr. Chairman, I would like to offer the following resolution. RESOLVED that the Southold Town Planning Board set Monday, February 3, 1992 at 7:40 for a preliminary public hearing on the subdivision maps dated December 6, 1991, subject, to receipt of the Suffolk County Planning Commission report' by that date. Mr. Orlowski: Motion made and seconded. Any questions. on the motion? All those in favor? Ayes: Mr. Ward, Mr. Latham; Mr. Edwards, Mr. Orlowski, Mr. McDonald. Mr. Orlowski: Opposed? So ordered. Sketch Determinations: Mr. Orlowski: Ernest & Jean Schneider- This minor subdivision is for three lots on 13 . 413 acres located on the southwest side of Alvah' s Lane; 1437.3 feet northwest of CR 48 in Cutchogue. SCTM ##1000-95-3-10 & 101-1-14.3 . Mr. McDonald: Mr. Chairman, I would like to offer the following resolution. RESOLVED that the Southold Town Planning Board start the lead agency coordination process on this unlisted action. Mr. Latham: Second. Mr. Orlowski: Motion made and seconded. Any questions on the motion? All those in favor? Ayes: Mr. Latham, Mr. McDonald, Mr. Edwards, Mr. Orlowski, Mr. Ward. Mr.. Orlowski: Opposed? So ordered. Mr. McDonald: Mr. Chairman, I would like to also make a further motion: i l SOUTHOLD TOWN PLANNING BOARD 13 JANUARY 13 , 1992 RESOLVED that the Southold Town Planing Board grant sketch approval on the map dated November 7, 1991 with the following condition: 1. If Lot Number three is subdivided in the future, the access to Lot Number two shall be incorporated with the access to the newly created lots. This condition is to be noted on the final map. Mr. Ward: Second. Mr. Orlowski: Motion made and seconded. Any questions on the motion? All those in favor? Ayes: Mr. McDonald, Mr. Latham, Mr. Ward, Mr. Edwards, Mr. Orlowski. Mr. Orlowski: Opposed? So ordered. Mr. Orlowski: Annette Zebahonsky - This minor subdivision is for two lots on 5. 91 acres located on Crescent Avenue on Fishers Island. SCTM # 1000-6-2-1. Mr. McDonald: Mr. Chairman, I would like to make a motion. RESOLVED that the Southold Town Planning Board start the lead agency coordination process on this unlisted action. Mr. Ward: Second. Mr. Orlowski: Motion made and seconded. Any questions on the motion? All those in favor? Ayes: Mr. Ward, Mr. Orlowski, Mr. Latham, Mr. Edwards, Mr. McDonald. Mr. Orlowski: Opposed? So ordered. Mr. McDonald: Mr. Chairman, I would like to make a further motion. RESOLVED that the Southold Town Planning Board grant sketch approval on the map dated August 26, 1991. Mr. Latham: Second. Mr. Orlowski: Motion made and seconded. Any questions on the motion? All those in favor? Ayes: Mr. Latham, Mr. McDonald, Mr. Edwards, Mr. Ward, Mr. Orlowski. SOUTHOLD TOWN PLANNING BOARD 14 JANUARY 13 , 1992 Mr. Orlowski: Opposed? So ordered. Mr. Orlowski: Edward Rouse - This proposal is to set off a 4,207 square foot parcel from an existing 11,514 square foot parcel located at the corner of Sterling Place and Champlin Place in Greenport. SCTM #1000-34-3-28. Mr. Ward: Mr. Chairman, I would like to offer the following resolution. RESOLVED that the Southold Town Planning Board start the Coordination process on this unlisted action. Mr. Latham: Second. Mr. Orlowski: Motion made and seconded. Any questions on the motion? All those in favor? Ayes: Mr. Latham, Mr.. McDonald, Mr. Orlowski, Mr. Edwards, Mr. Ward. Mr. Ward: Mr. Chairman, I would like to offer a further resolution. RESOLVED that the Southold Town Planning. Board grant sketch approval on the map dated October 29, 1991. Mr. Latham: Second. Mr. Orlowski: Motion made and seconded. Any questions on the motion? All those in favor? Ayes: Mr. Latham, Mr. Ward, Mr. Edwards, Mr. McDonald, Mr. Orlowski. Mr. Orlowski: Opposed? So ordered. Review of Reports: Engineering Mr. Orlowski: Conrad Bagenski - This major subdivision is for three lots; on 6.2-12 acres located on the north side of Main Road; 1332.92 feet east of Elijah' s Lane in Cutchogue. SCTM #1000-108-3-9. Mr. McDonald: Mr. Chairman, I would like to offer the following motion. SOUTHOLD TOWN PLANNING BOARD 15 JANUARY 13 , 1992 RESOLVED to adopt the engineer' s report dated December 18, 1991 with the following amendments (numbers correspond to numbers i•n report) .#2. Is to be omitted. The Planning Board feels that the existing and proposed driveways allow sufficient turning area for emergency purposes. #5. You were notified under separate cover that a fire well is to be required. Mr. Ward: Second. Mr. Orlowski: Motion made and seconded. Any questions on the motion? All those in favor? Ayes: Mr. Ward, Mr. Edwards, Mr. Latham; Mr. Orlowski, Mr. McDonald. Mr. Orlowski: Opposed? So ordered. Review of Reports: Suffolk County Planning Commission Mr. Orlowski: John and Joan Petrocelli - This minor subdivision is for two lots on 9.8 acres located .on the east side of Paradise Point Road in Southold. SCTM # 1000-81-3-19. 5. Mr. McDonald: Mr. Chairman, I would like to ask that we hold this off for another meeting- Mr.- Orlowski: O.K. , does anyone have any comment on that? No comment, we will hold that off for further review. MAJOR AND MINOR SUBDIVISIONS, LOT LINE CHANGES, SET OFF APPLICATIONS - STATE ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY REVIEW ACT Lead Agency Process: Mr. Orlowski: Ernest and Jean Schneider - SCTM #1000-95-3-10 & 101-1-14.•3 Mr. McDonald: Mr. Chairman I would like to offer the following resolution. RESOLVED that the Southold Town Planning Board start the lead agency .process on this unlisted action. Mr. Ward: Second. SOUTHOLD TOWN PLANNING BOARD 16 JANUARY 13 , 1992 Mr. Orlowski: Motion made and seconded. Any questions on the motion? All those in favor? Ayes: Mr. Ward, Mr. Edwards, Mr. McDonald, Mr. Latham, Mr.. Orlowski. Mr. Orlowski: Opposed? So ordered. Mr. Orlowski: Annette Zebahonsky - SCTM #1000-6-2-1. That's done. Mr. Orlowski: Edward Rouse - SCTM #1000-34-3-28.. That's done. Lead Agency Status: Mr. Orlowski: The Fields at Mattituck - This major- subdivision is for twenty-seven lots on 60. 4 acres located on the east side of Bergen. Avenue in Mattituck. SCTM *1000-113-2-1.1. Mr. Ward: Mr. Chairman, I would like to offer the following resolution. RESOLVED that the Southold Town Planning Board, acting under the State Environmental Quality Review Act, assume lead agency status on this unlisted action. Mr. .Latham: Second. Mr. Orlowski: Motion made and seconded. Any questions on the motion? All those in favor? Ayes: Mr. Ward, Mr. Latham, Mr. Edwards, Mr. McDonald, Mr. Orlowski. Mr. Orlowski: Opposed? So ordered. SITE PLANS SITE •PLANS - STATE ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY REVIEW ACT Lead Agency Status: SOUTHOLD TOWN PLANNING BOARD 17 JANUARY 13 , 1992 Mr. Orlowski: Metro Service Station - This proposed site plan is for addition of a canopy to existing site, located on Main Road in Cutchogue. SCTM # 1000-102-5-26. Mr. McDonald: Mr. Chairman, I would like to offer the following resolution. RESOLVED that the Planning Board assumes Lead Agency in the environmental review of this: application. Mr. Ward: Second. Mr. Orlowski: Motion made and seconded. Any questions on the motion. All those in favor? Ayes: Mr. Ward, Mr. Latham, Mr. McDonald, Mr. Orlowski, Mr. Edwards. Mr. . Orlowski: Opposed? So ordered. Mr. Orlowski: NYNEX Mobile Communications - This proposed site plan is to permit the installation of a 100 foot telecommunications monopole, located on SR 48 in Cutchogue. SCTM #1000-96-1-19.1. Mr. Ward: Mr. Chairman, I would like to offer the following resolution. RESOLVED that the Planning Board assumes Lead Agency in the environmental review of this application. Mr. Latham: Second. Mr. Orlowski: Motion made and seconded. Any questions on the motion? All those in favor? Ayes: Mr. Latham, Mr. Ward, Mr. Orlowski, Mr. Edwards, Mr. McDonald. Mr. Orlowski: Opposed? So ordered. Determinations: Mr. Orlowski: Billy' s Bistro - This proposed site plan is to add a 924 square foot addition to an existing restaurant located at 74825 Route 25 in Greenport. {SCTM #1000-34-4-7 & 8.2. 1 2 � SOUTHOLD TOWN PLANNING BOARD 18 JANUARY 13 , 1992 Mr Ward: Mr. Chairman, I would like to offer the following resolution. RESOLVED that the Southold Town Planning Board, acting under the State Environmental Quality Review Act, establishes itself as lead agency, and as lead agency makes a determination of non-significance, and grants a Negative Declaration. Mr. Latham: Second. Mr. Orlowski: Motion made and seconded. Any questions on the motion? All those in favor? Ayes: Mr. Ward, Mr. McDonald, Mr. Latham, Mr. Edwards, Mr. Orlowski. Ayes: Mr. Orlowski: Opposed? So ordered. Mr. Orlowski: Ralph Pugliese - This proposed site plan is to convert existing barns into a winery on approximately two acres located on Main Road in Cutchogue. SCTM *1000-97-1-P/0 12. Mr. McDonald: Mr. Chairman, I would like to offer the following resolution. RESOLVED that the Southold Town Planning Board, acting under the State Environmental Quality Review Act, establishes itself as lead agency, and as lead agency makes a determination of non-significance, and grants a Negative Declaration. Mr. Ward: Second. Mr. Orlowski: Motion made and seconded. Any questions on the motion? All those in favor? Ayes: Mr. Ward, Mr. Latham, Mr. Edwards, Mr. McDonald, Mr. Orlowski. Mr. Orlowski: Opposed? So ordered. APPROVAL OF PLANNING BOARD MINUTES Mr. Orlowski: Board to approve the October 21, 1991 minutes. Mr. Ward: So moved. Mr. Latham: Second. i 1 SOUTHOLD TOWN PLANNING BOARD 19 JANUARY 13, 1992 Mr. Orlowski: Motion made and. seconded. Any questions on the motion? All those in favor? Ayes: Mr. Latham, Mr. Ward, Mr. Edwards, Mr. McDonald, Mr. Orlowski. Mr. Orlowski: Opposed? So ordered. Mr. Orlowski: Being as I have nothing left on my agenda tonight we' ll move on to other. Does anyone have any questions or comments for the Board? Mr. Raynor: Mr. Chairman, in regard to the site plan of Handy Pantry, I would like to ask that Mr. Stocken be allowed to continue to remove the front fascia on the front of the building while the final site plan elements are being addressed by the Board. He. is at a juncture where the interior building has been gutted and he is in the process of carting that away. He would like the Board' s permission to continue. As I know the Board is locked into a time frame with regard to SEQRA for its procedure. He Mould be requesting that he be allowed to install the doors and windows necessary in front of the building. I discussed this with the . Senior Building Inspector and he has indicated both verbally and in writing that he has no objection to this. So, we would like. to ask permission to continue demolition and reconstruction of that building. Mr. Orlowski: Is this in conformance with the elevations that we've looked at? Mr. Raynor: There would be no changes in the elevations? Ms. Scopaz: We just got the letter this afternoon. Mr. McDonald: Do you have a copy? Mr. Raynor: Your office has my copy. Mr. Orlowski: You just want to start working on the exterior? Mr. Raynor': It is only on the front fascia. New windows and doors. In the interim between your last meeting, and the beginning part of this week, the items that the staff has addressed have been sent back to the engineer of the project and he is revising all of those. They will probably be back in your hands sometime at the end of this week or the first part of next week. He has a crew in there and he would like to continue to, renovate the building. Mr. Orlowski: I know you had a review with the staff this afternoon with the site plan recommendations, do you have any problems. SOUTHOLD TOWN PLANNING BOARD 20 JANUARY 13, 1992 Mr. Raynor: No, they will all be adhered to. In regard to the island plantings, the extinguishment on the parking and the loading area, the enlargement of the dumpster area, those have all been taken into consideration and are being redrawn in compliance. Mr. Ward: Besides the couple of sketch drawings that we got on the elevations, is there anything else that is being used in the field beyond that to build from? Mr. Raynor: Not to my knowledge. Mr. Tashe is the P.E. , I didn't know until today that I would be here with regard to this matter or I would have had them here. Mr. McDonald: There must be some sort of plans though for the building inspector to . . . . ..... . . . . Everyone talking. Mr. McDonald: Is there an existing mansard? Mr. Latham: Is there a mansard roof there now? Mr. McDonald: It says, it will be necessary to remove the front mansard and concrete stone. Mr. Orlowski: That is that concrete block isn't it? Mr. Raynor: The concrete block is covered over for a walkway on both the southwest and the northwest corners of that building. That is the reasoning for the request inclusive of the mansard. Mr. McDonald: This is essentially for demolition work then. Mr. Raynor: Exactly. Mr. Ward: If the drawings are in keeping with it. Mr. McDonald: We' ll talk to the building inspector tomorrow. Mr. Raynor: The building inspector has already approved. Mr. McDonald: If he had approved this you wouldn't be here. Mr. Raynor: No, I am here because we haven't gotten final site plan yet and I didn't want the applicant to run afoul with the Board in doing something or you seeing outside activity other then what we have specified in the procedure. Mr. Orlowski: We appreciate not being fouled. ` SOUTHOLD TOWN PLANNING BOARD 21 JANUARY 13 , 1992 Mr. Jim Cohill - Mattituck Creek Estates. In my letter to you two weeks ago which Melissa told me you answered at a work session. I have two questions, one of them is on street trees, and the other was on the addition of 150o more leaching pools that were .called for on the survey by Young and Young and reviewed by my brother who is ..a civil engineer, graduate of Cornell. I ' ll go back seven years, I thought I purchased a farm in the middle of the suburbs, I was already surrounded on three sides by Mattituck suburbs of one lot and less property, and to the east was development rights to farms that had been sold so it was like a panoramic vista forever to the east I thought. In your latest plans you call for forty six trees on the perimeter of eighty percent of my property. Through negotiations, . with this Planning Board, most of my land i`s now farm land. I looked around the . north fork and I talked to a number . of farmers and the last thing they want on farm land are trees at the end of a road. They can't. turn their vehicles, they can't access a farm and they also think they cast a shadow on. the growing crops. So I think that the Board should probably reconsider the number of , trees which would be fine in suburbia, but my farm is being turned back into a farm. You reduced the one acre lots to thirty thousand to thirty-four thousand square feet and I think Melissa said you people agreed that it is so overgrown on the western end of East Mill Road that street trees would be superfluous. In. fact, I was over there cutting down some trees that got knocked down by Hurricane Bob. , Now, the leaching pool situation my brother went over and looked it over and we also met with Jamie Richter, the Town Engineer and we were quite puzzled. that we are being asked to add leaching pools because my brother said- what was recommended by Young and Young in the original survey was more then adequate to handle the run-of from any new houses that were put in on East Road. There already is an existing house there so he felt that the leaching pools would be capable of handling any run-off even from a major storm. My brother he asked a question, who. really defines what is necessary? is it your Town Engineer or do you people do it? What is the source of somebody saying that I have to spend this kind of major money- for my five little lots on East Mill Road. There is a depression right now on the North Fork and I am part of it. Mr. Orlowski: Well, the Town Engineer makes that .decision. Mr. Cohill: The Town Engineer is a very nice young man but he doesn't have the experience of Young and Young or my brother. My brother has done more sewer jobs in New York City than anybody on Long Island. I come from a long line of family who have done tunnel work and everything and I think we are talking about qualifications here and I think Jamie was the first one to admit that I am being asked to underwrite the overflow from the adjacent farm property to the. North. I think it is just an undo thing when I have already, I mean, I have reduced my yield of lots on the property by one third and you ' further cut lot 1 i i SOUTHOLD TOWN PLANNING BOARD 22 JANUARY 13, 1992 sizes so that eighty percent, of my nineteen plus acres is now open farmland forever for the Town of Southold. So, I respectfully request that the Board think again about the kind of money you are making me spend and I don't think it is smart money for you or for me. Mr. Orlowski: Well, talking with Jamie, he still stands by his report. Mr. Cohill: He stands by his report. (Inaudible) But I am telling you that he says that his report is-. that the leaching thing that for water that cuts across from North to South. I. was surprised when this gentlemen said that his property flows to the North because where I am the water flows from the North to the South. The Krupski' s . farm to my north just at the bottom part of my property going down towards the inlet, it crosses the road. In fact, I think there is a pipe down below me under the road now that handles the overflow. I just think it is an undo hardship to ask me. to solve the Towns water problem that has been there for a hundred years. Mr. Orlowski: Alright, well we' ll touch base with the Town Engineer. Mr. Cohill: Thank you, I would appreciate it. On the trees, I didn't mean to interrupt you, I'm sorry. Mr. Orlowski: Well, on the trees and the planting, basically we are , leaving it in open space but adding a Kittle greenery is not bad either and depending on whether you want to plant a different type -of tree there, I don't. know if the Board has a comment on them. Mr. Cohill: My understanding Mr. Chairman is that you grew up on a farm and I tell you I. watch the guys on the tractors and they make the turn at the end of the field. You are reducing the possible farming on the field by putting the trees at the end. The tractors can't make the turn. It is simple logistics. Mr. Orlowski: Well, I grew up with those trees at the end of the farm, it is right on the Main Road. Mr. Cohill: At both ends? Mr. Orlowski: Sometimes, it kind of keeps us off the road. I really don't think that is A valid argument. Mr. Cohill: You don't think interfering with the farm vehicles? There are very few farms on the North Fork that have trees at the end of their rows of cultivation. My property is being turned back to a farm in the middle of suburbia and you are trying to play both ends against- the middle here I feel. You are trying to be a farm and I 'm surrounded by suburbia and SOUTHOLD TOWN PLANNING BOARD 23 JANUARY 13, 1992 you are treating my farm now like suburbia. The trees are just completely out of place. Mr. Orlowski: We' ll take a look at it. Mr. Cohili: My suggestion was with the lots where there are no trees I can completely agree that it would make it look nicer. Along East Mill Road. Mr. Orlowski: Well, where there are trees now; we are not asking you to plant more. Mr. Cohill: No, but I mean up East Mill Road I can see why you would want nice trees if you were going to put homes along there but, where there are no homes it really in my opinion it would look nicer, I mean, I live in that house and I look eastward and it is awful nice to see that open farmland for about three or four miles. Mr. Ward: I may be confused, but I thought you sent a letter saying that you and I may well have confused it with another, but I thought you said there was someone interested in using it for nursery stock? Mr. Cohill: Yes.. Mr. McDonald: So they were thinking of growing trees there? Mr. Cohill: Yes., in a hot house environment, container trees, ornamental shrubbery. Not big trees. Mr. McDonald: Thank you. Mr. Orlowski: Any other questions for the Board? Mr. Schneider: I think we are going so fast that I didn't catch everything that was .said. I heard something about Lot number three. Mr. Orlowski: If lot number three is subdivided in the future, the access to lot number two shall be incorporated with the access to the newly created lots. Mr. Schneider: In other words, that right-of-way that I presented . . . . . Mr. Orlowski: Well, it could be a right-of-way going right over connecting three and two later -on as a common right-of-way. Mr. Schneider: I thought that was what I had. SOUTHOLD TOWN PLANNING BOARD 24 JANUARY 13 , 1992 Mr. Orlowski: You have a flag lot right now but,. if it is subdivided in the future and you are going to have four lots here we may have to upgrade this road. Mr. Schneider: I see in other words, that might have to be made wider and so therefore it would be taken from lot number three.. Mr. Orlowski: We would use that part . of the flag lot, the flag part. Mr. Schneider: I see. Mr. Orlowski: Any. other questions? Mr. Tom Flatter: Here on behalf of Saltaire I have a few questions regarding the Matthews property in Mattituck. By the way, I understand it has been named Willow Run, is that correct? Mr. McDonald: The name has been changed in the last five minutes? Mr. Tom Flatter: I was just told that before. It was brought to my attention yesterday. Since back in 1988 we were having a few discussions with you people regarding the location of the clustering and the access through Wave Crest Lane and down Oregon Road and so forth, and back in May of 1.990 you came through with a redesign which pretty much met our requests exactly and we were really happy. It looks like it has been put back exactly as it was before that according to the correspondence I have got here, a little sketch map. Is this correct? Mr. Orlowski: Well, it was recommended that it go back that way. We haven't looked at what is before' us now. Mr. McDonald: We haven' t reviewed it yet, it is very fresh. It hasn't come up to our work session yet. Mr. Flatter: Four lots, that is all it shows so far. Everything has been moved back to the North. We don't have that southern access out of the development which is our biggest concern. I can show it to. you if you would like. Mr. McDonald: It hasn't been brought up before the Board yet. Mr. Flatter: I- am concerned why it has suddenly changed because again reviewing the files, about. the only thing we saw was two letters of correspondence, one coming from the farm bureau which was a generality and it didn't mention the project specifically but it was in the file and it - looked like it referred to it and I am going to say we have the utmost respect for farmers out here and so forth but I thought he was a little out of line. He SOUTHOLD TOWN PLANNING BOARD 25 JANUARY 13, 1992 referred to the "not in my backyard syndrome's which is a lot of bull in this case. Our subdivision has been here for years and years and we are just looking for more than anything at our own traffic safety concerns. We don't really care, well we care where the houses go but that is not really our concern. We are concerned about the southern most access as. this being Wave Crest Lane which right now is essentially an unused road and our kids play on it . My kids play on it, lots of kids play on it and you are going to have a traffic situation there. That is our major concern. If five houses are -put in front of my house, I ' don't care, the Matthews family has every right in the world to build there and I am not going to argue that. The farm bureau also talks about consistent, planning regarding the farms and that is kind of a ludicrous concept out here; I don't see any plans from farm to farm. - Henry Drum, there is a letter from- him also in here, which is rather interesting and -he talks about how terrible it would be to isolate his existing farm from a farm further to the east and continuity between the farms. There are three farms there and everybody does .there own thing, there is no continuity. The whole concept there is ludicrous. Henry Drum does his .thing, Marty Sidor when he leases the Matthews property, he does his thing and whomever is further east, he does. his thing. Now, we have been talking this from aboutI .June of 1988 from almost the day this subdivision was brought forth to you people, we have been corresponding with you people and we have talked about the traffic safety. That is our concern, we do not want to see Wave Crest. Lane being the southern most access. We have come to your meetings, a number of our association members, myself included and have met with Valerie Scopaz a. number of years ago to express. our concerns, and_ I just want to make sure that our interests are looked after here. Back in 1988 we put together a petition, not just in our neighborhood, all of the surrounding homes and I don't remember., but I heard there were over two hundred names on that petition. The Board has seen the same concerns I am talking about now. That is, two hundred. households.. I think that is something worth considering. Mr. Orlowski: Are there two hundred houses there? Mr. Flatter: I, don' t know, that is a real good question, I will have to admit that. That is why I wonder about the two hundred also. We do have about forty-five lots which, I don't know maybe two thirds are developed. About that. I know Soundview Avenue and I know there were a number of people who signed the petition. The point is, there was a real interest expressed here concerning this project. Mr. Orlowski: Well, the original public hearing had a lot of comments about flipping it over and at that time I know the farm SOUTHOLD TOWN PLANNING BOARD 26 JANUARY 13, 1992 wasn't being leased by Martin Sidor and the Board approached the applicant about flipping it over. We talked to him about it and he was going to do that, he was dragging his feet also but then when other people came in and made comments also and good comments at that, we are trying to preserve farmland and open space up there and the most developable pieces up there are towards the sound. The least likely to- be farmed are the poorest soil types which are up towards the sound so they are more suitable for houses then potatoes. We felt that they brought in a good argument and that time we requested to the applicant to look into flipping it back over, but since then the applicant has not come in with that map at all but one just showing four lots and that is just what I heard about tonight and I have yet to see this map. But, I have no idea other then that right this minute. Mr. Flatter: Well, you know people talk about the soil not being as good to the north versus the south. You know, I have been told. Mr. Orlowski: You can see that it is not farmed up there. Mr. Flatter: Your environmental report from Cramer, Voohris talked about the north end as being open as being quote, "very beneficial, to maintaining the current wildlife activity. " They talked about the north end and the southwest end as' a good place to have the open space. That is your own environmental report. I am curious about something. In Henry Drumms' letter, I kind of had to laugh about because he brings up the master plan, I don't even know if anybody even really knows what the master plan says. I have heard and. I don't know if this is correct, I have heard the master plan talking about keeping Soundview Avenue essentially undeveloped right along the sides for scenic basis. I am not positive about that, but I heard things to that effect. Mr. Orlowski: Well, being one of the ones to work on the original master plan, Soundview Avenue was originally talked about to be developed to Peconic and to have scenic overlooks on that road but not to be developed. The actual intent in the master plan was to cluster all development up towards Soundview Avenue and of yet that doesn't look like that is going to happen. But creating a pattern with Mr. Drumm's farm, which has the development rights sold off of it, and leaving the southerly part open on this piece here, the Matthews piece, which connects these two farms together so the agricultural activities will run with the good land across and maybe in the future carry that across and cluster up towards the sound. Maybe, in the future have that road built. That was the intent of the master plan. Right now, that is just a paper road and as we get developments and we keep putting that piece in there. Mr. Flatter: Well, _very simply we find the whole thing Wave Crest Lane being the southern most access being totally unacceptable. It would have a major impact on our development. e y � SOUTHOLD TOWN PLANNING BOARD 27 JANUARY 13 , 1992 I think it was about two years ago I was here and Steve Perricone was in here, in a very flamboyant manner, and he is there asking you to name one subdivision, one subdivision in. the whole Town, he is screaming to. you people, that has a recreation area. The one thing we determined is that we are maybe the only subdivision that has usable, actively maintained and taken care . of subdivisions. Theoretically, one of your model subdivisions, and I said it before and I' ll say it again. Is this the way we get treated for being the one subdivision in Town that takes care of things the way they should? Just because everybody else uses theirs as a dump or a recharge basin? I mean this is the answer to the way the Town intended. Mr. Orlowki: Well, the one thing you have to consider is that that subdivision was laid out to connect that road at some time in the future. Mr. Flatter: Yes, I know. We have no problem with that, we are looking for a further southern access. We want to see a road down to Mill Road. I have no problem with you cutting through Wave Crest, I know that is the design intent. Anybody with the slightest technical background in these things knows, that road endings at the end of a subdivision is intended to go through. I know that, we all know that. That doesn't mean it has to be the furthest southern access. Mr. McDonald.: What you are saying is, is whether that is the southern most access or not determines the way the flow goes. What you are saying is, you want the flow to -go from your subdivision to theirs, rather than from theirs . . . . . . . . Mr. Flatter: No, I. want to see their subdivision take their own road further south to Mill Road. Mr. McDonald: I understand, the traffic is going to go one way or the other depending how that is designed. If yours is the southern most access, it is going to come through yours and down on. If it is not, it is, going to come through yours, into theirs. Mr. Flatter: We cut right over to Reeve' s road, the way we always did. Mr. McDonald: Well, the people from theirs are not going to come into yours. Everyone talking. Mr. Flatter: That is our main concern and all I know is that this new little sketch that we saw, took away everything that we have been fighting for, now it is almost four years and I have got correspondence from June of 1988 to you people regarding all of this. SOUTHOLD TOWN PLANNING BOARD 28 JANUARY 13 , 1992 Mr. McDonald: We of the Board haven't even seen this But, obviously if a minor subdivision is going to come in, I would assume that he is going to have to withdraw the other subdivision and I don't see anything on that either. Mr. Orlowski: We haven't seen it yet, there is one in the office and Melissa says it is four lots and that is. news to everybody here .and myself tonight. Mr. Flatter: Well, I ' ll just mention one other thing. In May, 1990 I got a copy of a letter where you put everything to the South and we were real happy. I know I personally haven't really looked at anything since then. - Now, I find out that I have to be back to looking regularly and I hate to do it. Mr. McDonald: If he wants to continue on making new applications. Mr. Flatter: Oh, this is from you people, it doesn't even indicate a request from him. Mr. McDonald: We didn't design a new minor subdivision of four lots. Mr. Flatter: Can I show you this? Everyone talking. Mr. McDonald: This is not the map you are talking about, you're talking about the whole subdivision and you are also saying though that there is a map in front of us of four lots. Mr. Flatter: That is something I heard, I haven't seen it. I heard something from Henry about it. Mr. McDonald: O.K. , that is what I was referring to, I hadn't seen it. Mr. Flatter: This is my concern right here. What was done in this. Mr. McDonald: It looks like he is withdrawing the whole plan if he submitted four lots. A minor subdivision of. four lots, he . has to withdraw the entire major. He can't proceed simultaneously with both of those applications. Everyone talking. Mr. Flatter: Alright, well just so you know, I'm going to be around. Mr. McDonald: We welcome it. SOUTHOLD TOWN PLANNING BOARD 29 JANUARY 13 , 1992 Mr. Flatter: How many people have to keep telling you about it and how many people have to be affected. I don' t understand. Ms. Elizabeth Visser: I live in the same neighborhood and I 'm the president of the association. I disagree that Wave Crest Lane should ever be opened because it will completely ruin our neighborhood and no matter how long it has . been on a piece of paper doesn't make it a' good idea now. We have little children on bicycles and skateboards and there is no reason why however many houses they want to build on that property, can't be built with a cul-de-sac like many other communities in this Town and drain out to the south. It seems to me that would be a possibility and the people would still make money on the development and we would still have a safe neighborhood. My son has been hit by a car on his bicycle and it is something I haven't forgotten for many years and I don't want to see anyone else's kid get hurt like that. Secondly, I take issue that Mr. Grigola could just write to you without saying for whom he is writing. He does not live in Southold, he does not pay taxes here. It seems that somebody got to him from Southold or from the area and I think we should know who that was cause that person does not live in Southold. He doesn' t represent the people who live in the area and pay taxes. This plan should include the wishes of all of those people who in 1988 signed that petition. I would like to know if that petition is still in that file. Is it? If it is not, I would like to know why you wouldn't want to still have that since it represents the interest of most of the people who live in the area. We have a number of problems right now with traffic going up to Firing Point and I 'm sure you are familiar with that. problem and going down to Bailey Beach and usually late at night and it is very disruptive. Not just our children use those roads, but our senior citizens also ride bicycles on those . roads. We would like to keep it safe. One of the reasons we moved here was because we were in exactly the same situation. Our house was on the corner where they were going to open that side dead end road into a new subdivision. and we moved to Southold, thank goodness before they did that and ruined the neighborhood I lived in many years ago. This is not a good plan to open Wave Crest Lane. You are putting people at risk. It is not safe and I hope you will take that petition into consideration. Mr. Orlowski, in terms of Soundview Avenue, I also was at all of the .Master Plan hearings years ago and I am sure that everyone that was there remembers the uproar on both ends of Soundview Avenue in Peconic. Marge Scabry and her neighbors were here and our neighbors were here on. those cold winter nights for all of those hearings. Nobody wants Soundview Avenue opened from our area to their area because you are putting us all at risk. Thank you. SOUTHOLD TOWN PLANNING BOARD 30 JANUARY 13 , 1992 Ms. Ann Cramers: : I' live in Saltaire Estates too. As far as the farming goes and you say the soil is bad, they farmed next to us for years, and years and years and up' until maybe two years ago, they were all farming up by us. So as far as good soil, bad soil, we farm ourselves.. The traffic and safety of the children, the area is important. It is in the Town Code, they are suppose to be considered first. We all want farming, no one wants to see the farms disappear but who is to say that this open space is going to be farmed. There is no guarantee on that either., we know that. Plus, the farm that is opposite Matthews right now, that is already a subdivision and' that is not going to be farmed, is it? There is a big sign Saland Real Estate. Mr. Orlowski: Wolf Pit. Ms. Cramers: So that is already being subdivided and that is right across so I don't see any big continuity. We didn't even want Wave Crest cut through but finally we figured well, they are going to cut through Wave Crest and we can't help that but at least most of the traffic was going to go down through Oregon. We really get killed on Soundview Avenue too and believe me, Wave Crest is loaded with children. Listen to us please. Mr. Orlowski: Anyone else? Mr. Flatter: If. you don't mind, I just want- to say .one more thing. I ' ll only be a second. Someone handed me something today and told me it is from the Town Board and_ they. asked me to just confirm it and I will quote it if you don't mind. "In considering and acting upon site building plans, the Planning Board shall take into consideration the public health, safety and welfare, the comfort and convenience of the public in general and the residents of the immediate neighborhood in particular. I assume that is fairly correct. Mr. Orlowski: Yes. Mr. Flatter: O.K. , thank you. Mr. Orlowski: Being no further questions, I' ll entertain a motion to adjourn. Mr. Ward: Second. Mr. Orlowski: Motion made and seconded.. Any questions on the motion? All those in favor? Ayes: Mr. Latham, Mr. Ward, Mr. McDonald, Mr. Edwards, Mr. Orlowski. SOUTHOLD TOWN PLANNING BOARD 31 JANUARY 13, 1992 Mr. Orlowski: Opposed? So ordered. Mr. Orlowski: Being there was no further business to come before the Board, the meeting was adjourned at 8:45 p.m. . Res ctfully submitted, a e Rousseau, Secretary Bennett Orlowski Jr. , Chairman FLX T �c W : Town Clerk, Town of Southold