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BOARD OF TOWN TRUSTEES
TOWN OF SOUTHOLD
Town Hall, 53095 Main Road
P.O. Box 728
Southold, New York 11971
April .26, 1984
MINUTES-REGULAR MEETING
7 : 30 P.M.
The regular meeting of the Board of Town Trustees was held
on Thursday, April 26, 1984 at the Town Hall, Main Road, Southold.
Present were:
President Henry P. Smith
Vice=President Jean Cochran
Trustee Frank Kujawski
Trustee John Bredemeyer
Ilene Pfifferling, Secretary
Absent: Trustee Bednoski
President Smith called the meeting to order.
On motion made by Trustee Cochran seconded by Trustee Bredemeyer
and carried it was
RESOLVED to APPROVE the minutes of the March '29, 1984 meeting.
Vote of Board: Ayes : ALL
On motion made by Trustee John Bredemeyer seconded by Trustee
Cochran and carried it was
RESOLVED to APPROVE the mooring renewal permits for the month
of May-
Vote of Board: Ayes: ALL
On motion made by Trustee Kujawski seconded by Trustee Bredemeyer
it was
RESOLVED that the date'.for the next regular meeting of this Board
will be held on Thursday, May 24 , 1984, at 7 :30 P.M. Inspections
will be made on Wednesday, May 23 , 1984.
Vote of Board: Ayes : ALL
ALVAH JR:, BRUCE, & ALLEN GOLDSMITH
On motion made by Trustee Kujawski seconded by Trustee Cochran
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it was
RESOLVED to APPROVE the application submitted by Alvah, Jr. ,
Bruce & Allen Goldsmith to construct approximately 75 lin. ft.
of bulkhead directly in front of .existing bulkhead in Town
Creek, Southold, with the provision that, in the future, re-
placement is done in place.
Vote ,of Board: Ayes: ALL
ALVAH JR. , BRUCE, & ALLEN GOLDSMITH-WETLAND APPLICATION #194
On motion made by Trustee Kujawski seconded by Trustee Cochran
it. was
RESOLVED to recommend to . the Town Board APPROVAL of the Wetland
Application #193 submitted by Alvah Jr. , Bruce, & Allan Goldsmith
to construct approximately 75 lin... ft. of bulkhead directly in
.front of existing bulkhead in Town Creek,, Southold,. with the
provision that, in the future, replacement is done in place.
Vote of Board: Ayes : ALL
FRANCIS PERRONE, M.D.
On motion made by Trustee Cochran seconded by Trustee Bredemeyer
it was
RESOLVED to TABLE the application of Francis Perrone, M.D. , to
construct a catwalk, ramp and floating dock at Gids Island, Orient
for one month until Mr. Gould forwards a letter, stating that -he
is withdrawing the. application.
Vote of Board: Ayes : ALL
FRANCIS PERRONE,• M.D.-WETLAND APPLICATION #192
On motion made by Trustee Cochran seconded by Trustee Bredemeyer
it was
RESOLVED to recommend to the Town Board to TABLE .the Wetland
Application #192 for Francis Perrone, M.D. to construct a . .
catwalk, ramp and floating dock at Gids Island, Orient for one
month until Mr. Gould forwards a letter, stating that he is with-
drawing the application.
Vote of Board: Ayes : ALL
Mr. -Stanley Gould appeared before the Board on behalf of Dr. Perrone,
and stated that the Dept. of Health tabled it' s hearing pending
the final decision of the D.E.C. , :Mr. Gould was advised. that`"the
D.E.C. had a freeze on the project because the Dept. of Acquisition
was interested in acquiring Gids Island. Mr: Gould stated that it
was not certain that they would acquire the land, but that it had
a high priority.
MATTITUCK INLET MARINA
On motion made by Trustee Kujawski seconded by Trustee Cochran it was
RESOLVED to APPROVE the application of Mattituck Inlet Marina to
construct a steel bulkhead (90±lf. ) 18" in front of existing bulk-
head in Mattituck, and to backfill with clean sand to be trucked
in from commercial upland source, all in accordance with application
originally submitted. -
Vote of Board: Ayes : ALL
ROBERT BLEIMILLER
On motion made by Trustee Kujawski seconded by Trustee Bredemeyer it
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was
RESOLVED to APPROVE the application of Robert Bleimiller to secure
an offshore mooring in Deep Hole Creek,with access from private
property, with the provision that the boat does not swing into
any other boat or impede navigation.
Vote of Board: Ayes : ALL
CHARLES J. GALLIGAN
On motion made by Trustee Kujawski seconded by Trustee Cochran
it was
RESOLVED to APPROVE the application of Charles J. Galligan to
place an offshore mooring, with access from private property, in
Mattituck Creek, with the provision that the boat does not swing
into any other boat or impede navigation.
Vote of Board: Ayes : ALL
EDWARD QUINTIERI AND RICHARD PULCINI
On motion made by Trustee Kujawski seconded by Trustee Bredemeyer
it was
RESOLVED to DENY without prejudice the application of Edward
Quintieri and Richard Pulcini, submitted by The Land Use Company,
to install 66 ' of timber bulkhead and two 10 ' returns along the
MHW line of James Creek. Area seaward of the proposed structure
will be planted with Spartina alterniflora as to prevent- toe scour
and reduce further erosion. Bulkhead will be backfilled with 50 cy.
of sand.
Vote of Board: Ayes : ALL
EDWARD QUINTIERI AND RICHARD PULCINI-WETLAND APPLICATION #195
On motion made by Trustee Kujawski seconded by Trustee Bredemeyer
it was
RESOLVED to recommend to the Town Board to DENY, without prejudice,
the application of Edward Quintieri and Richard Pulcini, submitted
by The Land Use Company, to install 66 ' of timber bulkhead and two
returns along the MHW line of James Creek. Area seaward of the
proposed structure will be planted with Spartina alterinflora as
to prevent toe scour and reduce further erosion. Bulkhead will be
backfilled with 50 cy: of sand.
Vote of Board: Ayes : ALL
The above referenced application was denied because of the destruction
that was done there, to the Wetlands , and the little bit of Wet-
lands . that is still present. The Trustees asked the secretary to
check to see if there is a permit for a dock, at this location.
They thought there might be a possible violation on the dock.
HARRIET GAMPER
On motion made by Trustee Smith seconded by Trustee Cochran, it
was
RESOLVED to approve the application of Harriet Gamper to place
an offshore mooring in Jockey Creek, Southold, access from private
property, with the provision that the boat does not swing into
any other boat or impede navigation.
Vote of Board: Ayes : ALL
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TERRY C. NAGY
On motion made by Trustee Smith, seconded by Trustee Bredemeyer
it was
RESOLVED to DENY, without prejudice, the application of Terry
C. Nagy, to place a mooring in Town Creek, Southold.
Vote of Board: Ayes: ALL
Trustee Smith indicated that he had requested additional information
from Mr. Nagy, which he had not submitted to the Board. In view
of that, the above-referenced resolution was adopted.
JOHN P. KOWALSKI-WETLAND APPLICATION #196
On motion made by Trustee Cochran seconded by Trustee Kujawski
it was
RESOLVED to recommend to the Town Board APPROVAL of -the Wetland
Application #196 for John P. Kowalski to construct. a nature walk
in a stream from James Creek, Mattituck, all in accordance with
the application submitted, with the provision that the structure
is moved over to the west and to hug the bank, therefore
he would not diminish the right of a voat to go through the creek
up further to the east.
Vote of Board: Ayes : ALL
There was discussion on the above-referenced application. The-
Trustees felt that that there would' nt be a problem with the
wetlands. Mr. Kowalski agreed to move the structure over, there
is an ox-bow there, it goes into a slightly narrow width where
he origionally staked it and he is approximately 35 ' off his
west plot line now and he was concerned that the Trustees would
not let him go any closer than that, to the boundary line. In
talking with Mr. Kowalski the Trustees indicated to go a little
more to the westerly direction, and hugging the bank more, therefore
not to diminish the right of a boat to go through the creek up
'further to the east. The Trustees questioned a structure, for a
person named Dobert. 'the secretary advised that this person had
applied for a permit, which was granted over a year ago.
JOSEPH KELLETT, JR.
On motion made by Trustee Cochran seconded by Trustee Kujawski
it was
RESOLVED to APPROVE the application of Joseph Kellett, Jr. to
place an offshore mooring in- --Corey Creek, Southold, with the
provision that the boat does not swing into any other boat or
impede navigation. ( access is from private property. )
Vote of Board: Ayes : All
CHESTER DICKERSON-WETLAND APPLICATION #197
On motion made by Trustee Kujawski seconded by Trustee Cochran
it was
RESOLVED to recommend to the Town Board APPROVAL of the Wetland
Application #197 for Chester Dickerson to repair an existing bulkhead
and backfill, in Peconic Bay, Southold, all in accordance with
the application submitted.
Vote of Board: Ayes : All
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STEPHEN KING
On motion made by Trustee Cochran seconded by Trustee Kujawski
it was
RESOLVED to APPROVE the application of Stephen King tq, secure
a permit for a dock, in Deep Hole Creek, under the Grandfather
Clause.
Vote of Board: Ayes : All
There was a discussion on this application, regarding the sizes _
of the dock that were submitted. The survey card indicated a .
2. 5 x 20 ' catwalk, 2 x 8 ramp' and 3 ' x 10 float with 2 spiles.
Trustee Kujawski indicated to go by the survey card, for the
sizes that would be approved.
CLARA A. BJERKNES
On motion made by Trustee Cochran seconded by Trustee Kujawski
it was
RESOLVED to APPROVE the application of Clara A. Bjerknes to
secure a permit for a dock in Town Creek, Southold, all in
accordance with the application submitted.
Vote of Board: Ayes : ALL
ROBERT KAPLAN
On motion made by Trustee Cochran seconded by Trustee Kujawski.
it; was
RESOLVED to APPROVE the application of Robert Kaplan to secure
a permit for a Dock in Cedar Beach Creek, Southold, all 'in
accordance with the application submitted.
Vote of Board: Ayes: ALL
On motion made by Trustee Bredemeyer seconded .by .Trustee Cochran
and carried to recess for five minutes.
Meeting resumed at 8 :20 P.M.
The following letter was submitted by the Town Attorney, at the
request of the Town Trustees to determine their jurisdiction in
Hallocks Bay along the waters bordering the State Park Property.
Dear Henry:
In your letter of April 5 , 1984 you requested that I advise
the Board of Trustees as to their jurisdiction in Hallocks Bay
along the waters bordering the State Park property.
Under the Andros Patent, the Town of Southold was granted
title to all creeks and inland waterways in the Town of Southold.
This, in my opinion, would include Hallocks Bay. However, I believe
that the State of New York when .it acquired the State Park property
by condemnation may have also acquired title to some of the under-
water lands adjacent to the park property. The only way that this
can be definitely determined is to have a title search conducted to
ascettain the extent of the State acquisition many years ago.
If you wish such a title search conducted, please advise me
and I will have a title company do the search at the expense of
the Trustees.
Yours very truly,
Robert W. Tasker
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There was discussion held on the aforementioned letter.
Mrs. Ruth Oliva stated that she has a copy of the Deed for =
the Orient State Park. Trustee Smith suggested that :if Mrs. Oliva
could give the copy, to the. secretary----of the---bo§r.�d,.' it'.could be
forwarded to the Town Attorney for his interpertation, to make
some determination on what the State Park is claiming. The Trustees
could proceed from there.
A letter will be forwarded to the Town Board requesting to meet
with them, to discuss several items including: The . Scallop Bag,
Request for funds, for the purpose of having a, title: search con-
ducted to ascertain the extent of the State acquisition, of State
Park Property, in Hallocks Bay, Councilman Stoutenburg' s request
for an estimate of the boat traffic in Brushes and Deep Hole Creeks,
and the proposed local law to authorize the Trustees to issue
wetland permits.
Trustee Smith spoke about the bulkhead, of Mr.. Israel, in Gull
Pond. There is no permit. on file. for this structure. Trustee
Smith stated that the Trustees have to do something about these
violations. He thought, if it were possible, to have the persons
property assessed, at his expense and find out what the fair market
value is.nd the increase of square footage is part of the fine.
There would have to be a charge for the illegal bulkhead also..
The trustees would have to check with the Town Attorney, in reference
to this matter.
The Trustees would like to request permission from the Town Board
to set up a meeting with the Town Planner, in reference to the
Bulkhead replacements.
The following letter was received from Mr. Paul M. Berg.
Dear Sirs :
in speaking with neighbors and others .who .live on creeks in
this town I find there are numerous complaints about commercial
fisherman taking shellfish from their waterfront. Of - course this
is perfectly legal at present. However, many of us would like
to see a law passed that would like to see it necessary for those
after shellfish to obtain permission from the property owner before
their . license would give them permission to take the fish. Much in
the same way that a deer hunter must obtain permission from a deer
hunter must obtain permission fro m 'a landowner to hunt on his
property. This law could be written so that it would only apply
to shoreline within 100 yards of a dwelling. Please consider and
thank you.
Paul M. Berg
Trustee Smith advised that a letter will be sent, to Mr. Berg '
advising him that anyone in the Town is permitted to take shellfish,
with a shellfish permit in' Town Waters, from the high water mark out
into the water. This is not private property.
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Trustee Smith advised the secretary to send a letter to
Mrs. Lee Conte, President of the Cedar Beach .Park Association,
asking if Mr. Roberts has removed his dock structure from the
water in Cedar Beach Creek.
A letter is to be sent to Mr. Kreh, advising him that the
Trustees will reinspect the site, on May 23, 1984 , in regard to
this application for work in James Creek.
On motion made by Trustee Kujawski seconded by Trustee Cochran
it was
RESOLVED to recommend to the Town Board to Table the Wetland
Application of James Kreh, .to replace a 5 'x30 ' floating dock and
a 3 'xl2 ' ramp and to dredge in James Creek. The Trustees will
reinspect the site, on May 23, 1984.
Vote of Board: Ayes : ALL
A letter will be sent to Miss 'Cynthia Dietz advising her that the
Trustees would welcome her presentation on Mariculture Technologies,
after a regular meeting of the Board.
On motion made by Trustee Smith seconded by- Trustee Cochran and
Carried it was
RESOLVED to approve the request of Mr. James Bitses for an extention
on his permit no. 1619. His new expiration date will be Dec. 13, 1984.
Vote of Board: Ayes: ALL
Trustee Smith reported that Mr. J. Ulrich called him, and stated
that he could not attend the meeting tonight, but . that he would
like to have it recorded into the .record that he is opposed to
the dock that Mr. Knoeller is constructing, and that he is going
to hire a surveyor to determine where his boundaries, in the water
are. A letter will beisent to Mr. Knoeller, along with his permit
asking him that when he puts his dock in, that he keep it to the
Simeoni side of the property, but no closer than fifteen feet to
the property line. He will be asked to keep the floating dock
as tight to the meadow line, without the dock floating or resting
on the meadow line, at low tide.
On motion made by Trustee Kujawski seconded by Trustee Cochran
and carried it was
RESOLVED that this meeting be and hereby is adjourned at 9 : 30 P.M.
there being no further business to come before the Board.
Vote of Board: Ayes : ALL
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Ilene Pfifferling
Secretary to Board