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John Holzapfel, Vice President =� y1 53095 Main Road
.William G. Albertson o P.O. Box 1179
Martin H. Garrell O Southold, New York 11971
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BOARD OF TOWN TRUSTEES
TOWN OF SOUTHOLD
MINUTES
October 27, 1994
PRESENT WERE: Albert J. Krupski, Jr. , President
John Holzapfel, Vice-President
William Albertson, Trustee
Peter Wenczel, Trustee
Martin Garrell, Trustee
Diane J. Herbert, Clerk
Laurel Lee Macomber, Clerk
CALL MEETING TO ORDER
PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE
NEXT TRUSTEE BOARD MEETING: Thursday, November 17, 1994 at 7pm
TRUSTEE ALBERTSON moved to approve, TRUSTEE WENCZEL seconded.
ALL AYES
NEXT FIELD INSPECTION: Wednesday, November 9, 1.994 at 12 noon
TRUSTEE ALBERTSON moved to approve, TRUSTEE GARRELL seconded.
ALL AYES
APPROVE MINUTES: September 29, 1994 Minutes
TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL moved to approve, TRUSTEE ALBERTSON seconded.
ALL AYES
I . MONTHLY REPORT: Trustees monthly report for September
1994: A, check for 2,509. 67 was forwarded to the Supervisor's
Office for the General Fund.
II. PUBLIC NOTICES: Public Notices are posted on the Town
Clerk' s Bulletin Board for review.
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III. AMENDMENTS/WAIVERS/CHANGES
1. William D. Moore on behalf of SANFORD FRRIEMANN requests an
amendment to Permit #4318 to extend the existing dock and
catwalk approx. 100 feet as shown on the attached drawing.
Located 1165 Old Harbor Road, New Suffolk. SCTM #117-3-8.4
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI chose to abstain due to personal relations,
TRUSTEE GARRELL moved to table the amendment as. per request of
William D. Moore, TRUSTEE ALBERTSON seconded. ALL AYES
2. En-Consultants on behalf of HENRY LATHAM requests. an
Amendment to Permit #4138 to place 100-300 lb. armor stone
immediately seaward of 571 of bulkhead. Located 845 Rogers
Road, Southold. SCTM #66-2-40
TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL moved to approve the amendment, TRUSTEE
ALBERTSON seconded. ALL AYES except TRUSTEE WENCZEL
3 . J.R. Home Improvements on behalf of ALFRED AMEND requests a
Waiver to remove existing garage (211 X 191 ) , and build a new
two story extension (.251 X 191 ) . Located 380. Midway Road,
Southold. SCTM # 90-2-4
TRUSTEE WENCZEL moved to approve the waiver,- TRUSTEE GARRELL
seconded. ALL AYES
4. FRED RENGANESCHI requests a Waiver to build an addition to
existing residence consisting of a wrap-around roofed porch 7 '
in depth on landward front of house 32 ' 611 from existing garage
then 231311 in a westerly direction which includes a 71 storm
foyer over existing stoop. Located 2005 Westview Drive, LILCO
Pole #16, approximately 500 ' west of Westview and Woodcliff,
Mattituck. SCTM #107-7-4
TRUSTEE GARRELL moved to approve the waiver, TRUSTEE ALBERTSON
seconded. ALL AYES
5'. En-Consultants on behalf of LEWIS EDSON requests a one year ,
extension to Permit #4106 to construct a one-family dwelling,
deck, pool, sanitary system, well, driveway, underground
electric cable, etc. Permit will then expire Dec. 17, 1995.
Located Linden Ave. , Cutchogue. SCTM 4116-1-9
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI moved to approve the extension, TRUSTEE
ALBERTSON seconded. ALL AYES
TRUSTEE GARRELL moved to go off the regular meeting, TRUSTEE
ALBERTSON seconded. ALL AYES.
IV. PUBLIC HEARINGS:
THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING IN THE MATTER OF THE FOLLOWING
APPLICATIONS FOR PERMITS UNDER THE WETLANDS ORDINANCE OF THE
TOWN OF SOUTHOLD. I HAVE AN AFFIDAVIT OF PUBLICATION FROM THE
SUFFOLK `_DIMES AND AN AFFIDAVIT OF PUBLICATION FROM THE LONG
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ISLAND TRAVELER-WATCHMAN. PERTINENT CORRESPONDENCE MAY BE READ
PRIOR TO ASKING FOR COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC.
PLEASE KEEP YOUR COMMENTS ORGANIZED AND BRIEF:
FIVE (5) MINUTES OR LESS, IF POSSIBLE
7:15 P.M. r In the matter of Proper-T Permit Services on behalf
of MICHAEL LEAHY requests a Wetland Permit to add a 21' X. 24+' 2.
story addition;- a 15' X 44.' deck at rear of- house; a 10 ' X. 43 '
covered porch on the road side of the house; a 13 ' X 41'
Conservatory on the southeast side of the house; a gambrel roof
added to existing boat house to provide 2nd floor home office
space; a 24. 5.' X 22.4' dormer added to existing garage to
provide .2nd floor storage space; a . 3 ' X 110' catwalk; a 3 ' X
12' ramp; a 6 ' X 20' float. Located 2200 Hobart Road,
Southold. SCTM #64-3-4
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Is there anyone here who would like to speak
against this project?
DIANE HERBERT:. John, John, you inspected this?'
JIM FITZGERALD: Al, a correction, I do not represent. Mr. Leahy,
I, I sent the drawing in as a matter of convenience for him.
He's here, he represents him.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Alright, • thank you. Alright, is there anyone
here who would like to speak in favor of this application?
Alright,, CAC recommends approval with stipulations. Um, Council
recommends approval with the following conditions: The dock;
the Council approves the original configuration of the plans
submitted 9/15/94, as a more appropriate configuration of. the
dock. CAC cannot support a 110 foot catwalk. 2_) Wood deck;. the
CAC recommends approval. 3) Conservatory or greenhouse; CAC
recommends approval. 4) Covered Porch; CAC recommends approval.
5) 2nd story office; CAC recommends approval, however, if a
bathroom; is added, the CAC would need to know the location of-
the cesspool system before recommending approval. 6) 2nd .
story addition to the house; if bathroom is. added and a new
cesspool system is needed, the applicant would have to, would
have to locate the. system and obtain a recommendation of
approval- from the CAC. The CAC recommends approval if there's
no change to the sanitary system. And, um, I would like to ask
if Mr. Leahy is here. Could you; uh, could you answer that
question for us, um, about .the, um, the need to expand the
sanitary' system in. the house? And, and it's location.
DIANE HERBERT-: Could you come up to the. . .
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Could you come up to the mic. , please?
MICHAEL LEAHY: Currently, we have two bathrooms in the house,
and, uh, ' I think that' s all we're probably going to be staying
with. There are two, uh, cesspools on the property now, and I
think they'll be sufficient for, uh, future usage.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Thank you.
TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL: So, there' ll be no plumbing in the garage
structure, the upstairs part?
MICHAEL. LEAHY: Um, at this time, I hadn't, uh, planned on it.
Really, it's basically a home office, it's to keep away from the
kids. I ' could run across to the house:
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TRUSTEE :HOLZAPFEL: Understood, I just wanted to. . .
MICHAEL LEAHY: Um, may I speak on the, uh, on the dock
recommendation you made?
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Um-hmm.
MICHAEL LEAHY: The, um, our, um, purpose, uh, it's, uh, I
walked through with the trustee, was, uh, 'in changing the
application was to, uh, intrude less on the view, both from. the
water to the land, and from the land out to the water. Uh,
obviously it would be like three times cheaper for us to do it
the way you are recommending, and, uh, I don't really have any
desire to spend excess dollars.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: No, that' s not, that's not our recommendation,
that's the Conservation Advisory Council of Southold Town.
That's a separate board that advises us on every application.
MICHAEL ,LEAHY: Oh, I see. Um, is there a, uh, a basis on. . .
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Well, I think one, I think one of their
reasons,., and the interest in the town, in. ,the Town Board, is ,to,
uh, keep the dock as short as possible. When you build a
structure over water, first of all, it's town owned patent
lands, so we own the bottom. We don't wanna, and it's public
land, so any structure is going to monopolize that land. The
larger the structure, the more land is gonna be taken away from
really the public' s use, so we. always recommend on every
application, that the, the structure be as minimal as possible.
You need, access to the water, and, uh, and we try to work with
you as far as that goes. As far as, and you know, practicality
goes, we try and work that out. But it, it's strictly for
access.
MICHAEL LEAHY: Right, the, uh, my belief is that placing the
dock where we, uh, revised the application to show, even though
it's a longer dock, seems to be out of the, more out of the way,
because the water line swells there considerably.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI : Um-hmm. Um-hmm.
MICHAEL LEAHY: In fact, a survey on which the dock application
was shown; uh, shows the wetlands intruding on the, uh, property
behind the boathouse, um, and the high water line.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: We all visited the site on our last field
inspection last week. Another reason that I think the, uh, the
Board liked the shorter dock application was because it doesn' t,
it doesn't traverse the whole wetland area, it leaves that
wetland area by itself, and you, you,, all you're doing is
gaining access, that' s the whole purpose of the dock. And it' s
gonna, it's gonna minimize the disturbance of the whole, the
whole creek to have a shorter dock.
MICHAEL LEAHY: Um, uh, just one last point of information. Uh,
the, uh, the 110 feet would bring the dock to exactly the same
point. . .
TRUSTEE GARRELL: Yup.
MICHAEL LEAHY: . . .as the initial application, in line, because
the water line does swell in there.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Sure.
MICHAEL LEAHY: So, as far as obstruction, you know, I think
it's minimal, in my opinion. Um, the, uh, if you drew the line
from the' dock, you know to the left of me, and to the right of
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me, the I10 feet would be within that line. And I 'd just like
to go on the record as making those comments.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Um-hmm. Thank you. Alright. Does the board
have any comment?
TRUSTEE WENCZEL: Well. . .
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Then um. . .
TRUSTEE WENCZEL: I 'm trying to phrase a comment.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Oh, I thought you said no.
TRUSTEE WENCZEL: No. My own comment is that, you know, I feel
that the dock would be much better suited off the bulkhead
there, and a much shorter structure would be required, and, uh,
I 'd be much more inclined to approve that shorter dock than the
1.10 foot structure. Is that what it is, a hundred? .
TRUSTEE GARRELL: 110.
TRUSTEE WENCZEL: 110 foot structure.
TRUSTEE .GARRELL: Yeah, it, it isn't really a question of
obstructing the creek so much as the additional disturbance of
that, just that little, that little piece, uh, in the corner.
Right. Yeah.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Any other comments? If not, I ' ll make, uh,
I ' ll have a motion to close the.. .
JIM FITZGERALD: Excuse me, may I make a comment?
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Sure.
JIM FITZGERALD: The. . .
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Oh, yeah, please, for our secretary' s sake,
please approach the mic.
JIM FITZ'GERALD: Uh, simply because I 've been there, I know the
site. ' Um, the area where the, or through which the dock would
go in the new location is almost all Phragmites. There's very
little, uh, Spartina, there' s very little Spartina.
TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL: Now, on the, if I can interrupt you, on the
shore side, once you get to the edge of the water, there' s a
rather healthy marsh extending a good distance.
JIM FITZGERALD: It' s, it's about.
(Too many people talking at once, couldn' t understand what was
said. )
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Well, anyway, let' s not, let' s not get into a
discussion. Let me see the job site.
JIM FITZGERALD: - It's, it's mostly for the number of feet
traversed, and square feet covered, mostly Phragmites, and as
Mike said, the dock would. not extend any further into the creek
in this location:, than in the original.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Sure. Um, does anyone, would anyone like to
make a motion to close the hearing?
TRUSTEE GARRELL: So moved.
TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL: Second.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: All in favor?.
ALL AYES
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Can we vote on this?
TRUSTEE` GARRELL: Yeah.
TRUST17E KRUPSKI: Peter, you want to make a motion?
TRUST11- WENCZEL: Okay.
TRUSTFR- KRUPSKI: You want to look at the surveys?
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TRUSTEE WENCZEL: Uh, no. I' ll make a motion that we, uh,
approve the application for a wetlands permit to add the 21' X
241+ 2 story addition; a 15 ' X 44' deck at the rear of the
house; a 10' X 43 ' covered porch on the road side of the house;
a 13 ' X 41.' Conservatory on the southeast side of the house;.
gambrel roof added to existing boathouse to provide a 2nd
floor home office space; a 24. 5' X 22. 4' dormer added to
existing garage to provide a 2nd floor storage space period.
Um, I recommend that we don't approve the 3 ' X 110' catwalk, 31-
X 12' ramp, and 6' X 20 ' float. I 'd like to make it clear that
the board, I'm sure would be more than happy to entertain a, um,
a, uh, application for an amendment to this permit for the dock
in the other location.
TRUSTEE GARRELL: Second.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Now that we have a second, we can have a
discussion on this. Um.
TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL: One, just a, an easy thing to add, just
before, umi I would like included haybales, you know to the
seaward side, um, during construction, you know all along the
length of the property.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Mr. Leahy, do you understand what, what's
happened?
MICHAEL LEAHY: Yes.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Alright.
TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL: That' s just to prevent the construction
material going into the creek.
TRUSTEE' KRUPSKI: Uh, where would the haybales be?
TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL: I think you have to go all the way, 'cuz,
'cuz he's working all the way to the boathouse.
TRUSTEE' KRUPSKI: Yeah, we' ll put a. . .
TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL: All the way here, from the edge of the,
what' s that, the northern edge? Southern? Southern edge,
right, of the bulkhead, to the edge of the property, to the
northern edge of the property. That would stretch from here
across.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: You think you need a 200' of haybales?
TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL: 'Cuz they're doing all the work here. This
is where they're digging up.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Okay. Alright.
TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL: It' s just a row of haybales, that' s what
we're talking about, just to. . .
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI.: Which is standard on every, every sort of
application like this. All in favor?
TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL: No, you were going to say other discussion.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI : No, I think that was the discussion.
TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL: Okay.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: No, someone had to second it to have a
discussion, someone did second it. All in favor?
ALL AYES.
TRUSTEE- KRUPSKI: What, did I give away my, uh. . .
DIANE HERBERT: Pencil?
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: No, my agenda?
DIANE HEZBERT: What'd you do with it?
TRUSTEE T_KUPSKI: I bet I did.
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DIANE HERBERT: Here it is.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Thanks. This is still the old one?
DIANE HERBERT: No, that's your new one.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Okay.
7:27 P.M. - In the matter of JEANNE WHATMOUGH requests a Wetland
Permit to add a 15 ' X 22' covered porch and reconstruct a 61 .X
13' entryway to existing dwelling.. Located 180 N. Riley Ave. ,
Mattituck. SCTM #122-3-38
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Is anyone. here to speak either in favor or
against this application? Let me ' just check the CAC comments.
They recommend approval- without any conditions. Does the board
have any, uh, any comment on this? Oh, we all did look at this
one, didn't we? Do we have field notes here, somewhere Diane?
DIANE. HERBERT: On the left. We just asked her for a full
application, that was it. She originally asked for a waiver.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: What was the, uh, reason for it?
DIANE HERBERT Because Bill went down there, and he said it was
within the 75 feet.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Right. No, no. Yeah, I recognize it from the
photographs, that we all, we were all there. That's not what I
want to say. Here' s that survey. These are all exterior house
points. That's it. Alright. Alright. There's no, uh, no
comment from the board or from the audience. I.'ll entertain a
motion to close the hearing.
TRUSTEE GARRELL: So moved.
TRUSTEE ALBERTSON: Second.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: All in favor?
ALL AYES
TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL: You need haybales in there?
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI:. No, but I think we need, uh., well yeah, well
if it' s gonna require excavation, we will. Do I, wait, do I
have a second on that?
TRUSTEE ALBERTSON: Yeah.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Okay.
TRUSTEE WENCZEL: Do you have CAC comments on that?
TRUSTEE HQLZAPFEL: Yes.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: CAC didn't have any conditions at all. I
think we will mark. Those are the two porches? Is that right,
it' s 44' long? Alright, then I ' ll make a recommendation, that
we, for reasons of controlling, uh, siltation of the
construction debris, require a row of staked haybales between
the construction site and the wetland area, and that the
building be equipped with gutters and drywells to contain the
roof run-off. It already has gutters. Have them install
drywells to maintain, uh, to contain the roof run-off. All .in
favor?
ALL AYES.
7:30 P.M. - In the matter of PREM C. CHATPAR requests a Wetland
Permit to reconstruct 116 ' of bulkhead within 18t° of the
existing bulkhead plus return on south side; construct 85 '
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retaining wall 245" above grade; repair 56 ' of bulkhead;
construct 30' X 4' fixed dock; approximately 100 c.y. of fill
from upland source. Located 680 Midway Road, Southold. SCTM
#90-2-9.1
TRUSTEE XRUPSKI: Does anyone, would anyone like to comment on
this, in favor or against?
TOM SAMUELS: Uh, Tom Samuels, I' ll answer any questions.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Thank you. CAC recommends. . .
BRUCE LOUCKA: Yeah, read the whole thing.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Approval of part of the wetland application of
Prem C. ,Chatpar. CAC recommends approval of the 116 ' and 60'
bulkhead. CAC recommends disapproval of the 56' bulkhead. The
56' bulkhead is not a bulkhead, but a jetty, and there is no
need for a jetty. The CAC recommends approval of the dock, but
suggests the applicant place the. dock along the 60' section,
would be a better configuration for the owner.
DIANE HERBERT: He may have inspected it on the old description,
and then we asked for the new one. Remember? We had, because
the description didn't match with the survey.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Yes, we did. Yeah, .we did look at this,
yeah. Alright. I was under the impression that the -561. part of
the bulkhead was a repair. That the section that the CAC is
objecting to was a repair. Is that correct?
BRUCE LOUCKA: That's correct.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: It'.s existing, 561 , that we saw on the field,
I mean we inspected that on the field. . .
(DUE TO TECHNICAL DIFFICULTIES, A PORTION OF THIS DISCUSSION IS
MISSING. )
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: . . .it seems like there was beach- in between
those two, uh, two bulkheads.
TOM SAMUELS: That's right. I don't think there' s enough.water
to. . .
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: I don't think there's any water
TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL: I think it' s a beach.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: I 'm not sure, but if I can remember correctly,
we sto.od' there, yeah, and there was beach here.
TOM SAMUELS: Do you recommend. dredging?
TRUSTEE WENCZEL: This is a new direction for the CAC, this, I
don't think this is right. I couldn't make heads or tails out
of that one.
(Several people speaking at once, couldn't understand what was
being said)
BRUCE LOUCKA: It's only a suggestion, we're not gonna, we're
not gonna. . .
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Alright, is there any other comment then?
TRUSTEE GARRELL: Don't put the dock on the beach please.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Alright, is there any other comment? Does the
board have any other comment? Do I have a motion to close the
hearing?
TRUSTEE GARRELL: So moved.
TRUSTEE ALBERTSON: Second.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: All in favor?
ALL AYES
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Do I have a motion on the application?
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TRUSTEE GARRELL: Move to approve.
TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL: Second.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: All in favor?
ALL AYES
TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL: Here's a question.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Yes.
MICHAEL LEAHY: I'm sorry, but if I could interject for a
second, for clarification.. On the, uh, the ruling that you made
tonight, did that include the, uh, the dock for the original
application?
TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL: Do you want to include the original dock?
MICHAEL LEAHY: I. just want a clarification, of, of, you know, I
know the long one wasn't.
TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL: Okay, what., what happened was, when you re-
applied, you put in a new application with the dock in the other
position. What the board did tonight was to deny that other
dock., and to what, what you're saying is can you get the other
dock back in. there now? Am I. . .
MICHAEL LEAHY: Yeah, it seems the CAC and the Trustees are
against it.
TRUSTEE WENCZEL: Next month.
TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL: Yeah, just after it closed, I asked Al just
that question, and the worst that can happen, it' s gonna be
another month. So, then if you just amend it, next month,
you' ll get, I presume that most of the Trustees would vote for
that kind' of dock, where you have it, and it's not gonna hold
you up at all. Did that answer your question?
MICHAEL. LEAHY: Yeah, I. was just wondering, I. had actually
thought that I was approved in the original form, and Jim spoke
with me outside, and he didn' t think it was.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: No, no it wasn't.
TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL: No, we had to deny that,- 'cuz you weren't
asking for two docks, you weren' t saying either or, you know,
you had changed it to one long dock, and so. . .
MICHAEL LEAHY: Right.
TRUSTEE GARRELL: What's the harm, what's the. harm, you know if
.you want to go back to the original, we've got that, we've got
that on file. Uh, we've got the details on file, why don' t we
just. . .
TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL: Can we re-open the hearing?
TRUSTEE GARRELL: Why can't we knock it off?
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Sure. Yeah, absolutely, 'cuz it was published
for tonight; so we' ll just re-open the hearing. Alright, I 'll
make a motion to, uh, well, we don't need a motion, we' ll just
go back to the, re-open the public hearing. In the matter of
MICHAEL LEAHY, and, um, let me make sure Diane's. getting caught
up with us here first.
DIANE HERBERT: You're re-opening?
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: We're re-opening, the public hearing. Alright.
DIANE HERBERT: Do you need a second on that?
TRUSTEE ALBERTSON: Second.
TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL: Where' s the file?
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TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: All in favor?
ALL AYES
TRUSTEE 'KRUPSKI: Now, Mr. Leahy, if you can request the board
to approve your original application for your dock?
TRUSTEE WENCZEL: I think he just has to request a change in the
application.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Do we have a piece of paper?
TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL: I think we're just trying to make it easier,
but, it' s not. . .
JIM FITZGERALD: Do you have them both there?
TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL: Yeah, that' s why I'm just trying to get.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Just write us a note requesting the amendment.
To the, to the, uh, for us to approve the original application.
MICHAEL LEAHY: It'd actually be requesting in accordance with
the CAC stipulation.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Right, that' s right.
TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL: Can I just, say it, this is it. Um, it's a
3 ' X 20' fixed dock, a 3 ' X 101 , and a 6' X 10 ' float. Okay, so
that's what you're. . .
TRUSTEE WENCZEL: That sounds right?
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Alright, do I have, do I have a motion?
TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL: That was the original •application?
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Do I have a motion to close the hearing?
TRUSTEE CARRELL: So moved.
TRUSTEE ALBERTSON: Second.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: All in favor?
TRUSTEES GARRELL & ALBERTSON: AYE
TRUSTEE WENCZEL: Uh. . .
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Make a motion to approve this.
TRUSTEE WENCZEL: Wait.
TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL: Can we just talk for a second?
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Sure.
TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL: Um, just one second.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Hearing's closed.
TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL: Should we suggest?
TRUSTEE WENCZEL: Are you sure a 6 ' X 10' float? Does that
sound appropriate to you? It just sounds a little short to me,
that' s why, you know, I don't know how it' s gonna work.
MICHAEL LEAHY:. Write 20?
TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL: Say. yes.
MICHAEL LEAHY: If I find. . .
TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL: No, and you' ll just come back and ask again,
what Peter' s trying to do, is to save you time, and I don't know
if that's our job to try to do at this point, but, you know it
makes much more sense to say a 6' X 201 , that' s the standard..
TRUSTEE WENCZEL: That's the standard size,' yeah, it's a lot
more stable.
MICHAEL LEAHY. Okay, thank you.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Alright, make a motion to approve that then.
TRUSTEE ALBERTSON: So moved.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Spell it out.
TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL: Okay, um, I make a motion that we appro� �:.
the amendment to um., put, uh, place a 3 ' X 20 ' fixed dock, & 3 '
X 10' ramp, and a 6' X 20 ' float. I made the motion.
Board of Trustees 11 October 27, 1994
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: As per CAC recommendations. All in favor?
ALL AYES
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Alright, did you get all that? Crude, but I
think. . .
Does anybody know what we said there?
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: I think we got what we want there.
DIANE HERBERT: Is this legal?
TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL: I don't know if it was legal, but. . .
7:40 P.M. In the matter of J.MoO. Consulting on behalf of
LOUIS M: BACON requests a Wetland Permit to allow for
hand-cutting, selective rotocutting and small tractor for
slip-chain removal of clumps of Catbrier and multiflora rose and
removal of certain invasive species of plants in following
areas: Buttonbush Ponds, claypits & Spring to Peconic Bay &
South Pond. Located Robins Island. SCTM *134-3-5
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI : Anyone here like to comment in favor or
against this application?
GLENN JUST: Um, I 'm Glenn Just from J.M.O. Consulting, -uh, just
wanted to give you guys, I picked up today the, um, surveys
you've been waiting for,. it shows the exact areas you just
announced.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Okay, thanks.
TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL: Uh, the flagged wetlands?-
GLENN JUST: Yes, well flagged by the staff of the DEC.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Thank you. Would anyone else like to comment
on this application?
BRUCE LOUCKA: Yeah, our comments.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: CAC recommends approval.
TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL: Glenn, can I ask a question, as long as it' s
still open. Um, again it' s just a question. The infamous-
mud-turtles. . .
GLENN JUST: Yes.
TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL: Um, is there clear evidence that they are
quote gone from the ponds?
GLENN JUST: Yes, we have, I have a, uh, set of maps that I'd be
more than happy to supply the board with, that shows where the
turtles have moved off 751 to 100' away from the list of the
wetlands, they've already started to bury themselves for
hibernation, so they're out of the area for the cold weather.
TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL: Uh, just when we were out there the last
time, the turtle guy was out there, and he was just saying only
a couple have moved.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI:: And you can tell how severe the winter is by
the depth that they bury themselves in the ground.
GLENN JUST Maybe. we' ll learn something this year.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Any other comment? The board. have any
comment? Motion. to close?
TRUSTS ALBERTSON: So moved.
TRUSTEES GARRELL: Second.
TRUSTEE'�-FRUPSKI: All in favor?
ALL AYi:�S
TRUSTI R .KRL-PSKI: You got that? Okay.
Board of- Trustees 12 October 27, 1994
TRUSTEE GARRELL: Move to approve.
TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL: Second.,
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: All in favor?
ALL AYES
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Okay.
7: 41 P.M. - In the matter of. Peconic Associates Inc. , on behalf
of NARROW RIVER MARINA requests' a Wetland Permit to remove at
the high. spots at entrance to marina that was originally
included and. authorized for maintenance dredging on Permit #3805
issued Feb. 23 , 1990. Permit was extended to Feb. 23 , 1994, but
for reasons. of: 1), owner's original decision not to have the
contractor return to complete work (owner changed his mind after
receiving complaints of boats striking the bottom in- area of low
tide) , 2) contractors availability for such a small job and
difficult access, &. 3 ) ice conditions that prevented work being
done in January 1994 as scheduled by the contractor. Total
dredged, 90 c.y. , all as per description on sheet 1 of survey,
only. . Located Narrow- River Road, .approx. 1.0 miles south. of
Route 25 in Orient. SCTM. #27-2-4
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Anyone .here like to comment either in favor or
against this application? CAC comments: CAC. . ..
BRUCE LOUCKA: Originally, we approved it, I don' t know what we
did.
TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL: I. didn't see any in there, when I went
through the file.
BRUCE .LOUCKA: Back to the original application?
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: From. 1990? Well, we're not gonna, we're not
gonna find them in here. I don't think. The earliest
correspondence in here would be 1993, so no, we're not gonna
find 'em.
BRUCE LOUCKA: I think we originally. approved it, the only
question was where the 90 yards was gonna go or something like
.that
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Alright, well that's a question that, I think
troubled the board earlier. Um, any dredging any town bottom,
the feeling that it is town bottom, whether it' s maintenance or
not, it should be, it should be charged for.
TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL: Can I, Can I just ask a question?
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Sure.
TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL: The question I had was, is this at the very
mouth? I tired to look through that paper and get a clear
indication.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: No, it's right on the survey, take a look.
TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL: And this is. just at the opening of the
marina?
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: ' No. No, it's not, it's out here.
TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL:. And they're saying .that this has now moved
up, these aren't the numbers there anymore?
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: No, they' re saying those, that' s what they
submitted, so those are the numbers.
TRUSTEK WENCZEL: Those are the numbers, and those are the areas
they want to dig.
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TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: 3-7, 3-3, 3-5, 3-6, 3-5. Now, my contention
is, and was at the time of the original application in 1990, is
that Hallock's Bay is an important shellfishery and that it's
one of the only places in town that supported a scallop crop,
and that it's important that in the event of a future disaster
like the brown tide, that you could have scallop populations,-
uh, to remain in town, and that anything we do out there is
gonna have some sort of an effect,, you know, on the
shellfishery. That's my feeling about it, 'I don't know, um, um.
TRUSTEE WENCZEL: Well, I 'd like to make a comment. I think
that any dredging in Hallock's Bay is too much dredging, I think
too much dredging was approved in the past. Um, I think the
dredging that it, it's done that, you know, to the degree that
they're talking about, removing 61" is frivolous, and you know, I
would never be in favor of dredging out there in Hallock's. Bay.
Um, my other comment is that if the board so decides to approve
this, um, I think some mechanism should be designed to make sure
- that only the _stipulated 90 yards is removed. I mean, that
needs to be kept track of.
TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL: Now, how deep, can I just ask again, how
deep do they want to go here? 'Cuz. it didn't say in the
description on, you know that.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Should we take a look at the file?
TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL: Are they taking one and a half to two feet?
TRUSTEE WENCZEL: Six inches is what I think they were talking
about.
TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL: Yeah, I think that's. . .
TRUSTEE WENCZEL: They were talking about removing high spots.
TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL: Right.
TRUSTEE GARRELL: Six inches?
TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL: Yeah, I think that' s right.
TRUSTEE WENCZEL: It seems to me that' s what I read. There's
nobody here to. . .
TRUSTEE GARRELL: That sounds like it's just a waste of time. I
mean. . .
BRUCE LOUCKA: That's a big area there, 90 `yards at six inches.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Yeah, that's more than four high spots.
BRUCE LOUCKA: We thought it was just, just out from the ramp,
you know the ramp comes out and up from the ramp.
TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL: Yeah., no, that's why I had problems. I went,
looking through this and, if we can take a minute. . .
TRUSTEE WENCZEL: Right, let's look at April 194, because
that' s. . .Maintenance dredge—doesn't say. Right there.
Somewhere I got six inches.
TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL: February 190, copy attached.
TRUSTEE WENCZEL: Some discussion.
TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL: See, that' s why I couldn't follow. .
TRUSTEE WENCZEL: Well, yeah, this file is like .so long.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: That's only a fraction of it there.
TRUSTEE WENCZEL: See, this was, I think you might find the
answer in. the original application that allowed them to dredge
out the bay _last winter, because that' s where. . .
Board of Trustees 14 October 27, 1594
TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL: Okay, can we, can we just table this for 10
minutes and ask,- um, Laurel to go downstairs and get -the
original one?
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Wait, wait, what does it say here?
TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL: See the updated.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Get your fingers out of there, guys.
TRUSTEE WENCZEL: Only remove the high spots where the water
depth is less than 3..8 ' at low tide.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: So they're talking about removing less than 6"
on four spots marked on the survey:
TRUSTEE WENCZEL:. Apparently.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: 3-7, 3-3, 3-5, 3-6, and 3-5.
TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL: What do they want to go down to?
TRUSTEE GARRELL: 3-8.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: 3-8.
TRUSTEE WENCZEL: 3-8.
TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL: That doesn't make sense. You know three
inches or four inches isn't bad. I don't understand how that
gets to be 60 yards either.
TRUSTEE WENCZEL: 90 yards.
. TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL: 90 yards, excuse me.
TRUSTEE WENCZEL: Neither do I.
TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL: So, you know, I think. we should table it for
a further clarification on their part. Is that, how are they
getting 90 cubic yards out of 611?
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Well, you could just. . .
TRUSTEE GARRELL: Figure it out.
TRUSTEE ALBERTSON: Well, you can go all the way out to the. . .
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Sag Harbor.
TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL: If they're asking 90 .yards, you know, and -
they're just tiny little spots, so there's a discrepancy
somewhere and it, you know I'd hate to just vote no, and just
based on the fact that it' s a misreading of the thing. ,
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Alright, well, is there. . .
TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL: Is there anybody. . .
BRUCE LOUCKA: Weren't they gonna go up to the ramp?
TRUSTEE WENCZEL: Oh, that was a long time ago.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: That was the first application.
TRUSTEE WENCZEL: That was shot down by the DEC.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: The DEC didn't allow that. That was a very
ambitious plan.
TRUSTEE GARRELL: Well, let. me ask this, if they're gonna do a
6" dredge job, if that' s what's proposed, and that's what it
appears to be to go from 3-3 to 3-8.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: 1 to 5" actually.
TRUSTEE GARRELL: 1 to 5". I mean it just seems like it comes
under question, no matter what yardage they're talking about.
And I think we can proceed with the determination or the finding
tonight.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Alright, I' ll make a motion to suspend the
public hearing.
TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL: Is it worth it, or should we just deny it
because we just can't. I 'm sorry, I 'm backing up a little bit
there.
Board of Trustees 15 October 27, 1994
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: You sure did.
TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL: No, no, but I mean they would, there's a
misconception, and I was trying to give the guy a benefit, but,
you know, should we just deny it, and let him go through it
again?
TRUSTEE WENCZEL: Well, let me ask you a question. Did he, did
his agent, and did he know it was on the agenda for tonight? It
was published in the paper as a public notice. '
TRUSTEE GARRELL: That's his problem, then.
TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL: Okay, then,. I take back my comment then.
TRUSTEE WENCZEL: It' s their responsibility to be here, isn.'t it?
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Do I have a motion to, uh?
DIANE HERBERT: Did you close it?
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: No, I didn't close it, I made a motion not to
close, so that's lost, so now, I ' ll entertain a motion to close.
TRUSTEE CARRELL: Move to close.
TRUSTEE ALBERTSON: Second.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: All in favor?
ALL AYES
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Now, I wrote down some thoughts on this, and
some of the reasons, some of my same thoughts that came up four
years ago. Southold Town Board of Trustees has authority to
exercise control over activities in the town' s wetlands and
adjacent areas, for multiple sources. The State Environmental
Quality Review Act provides protection, as does. the standard
set forth in chapter 97. 28 of the town wetland code. However,
the most powerful and meaningful source of our authority resides
in the Andros patent.- Hallock' s Bay is patent land, owned and
managed by the .Southold Town Board of Trustees for 318 years.
It is also the most important shellfishery in the town. Because
of it' s. importance in preserving the local scallop population.
The Southold Town Board of Trustees should take. every precaution
to ensure a healthy shellfish habitat that benefits the
residents of the town, not only this year., but one that. will
provide safe haven for shellfish in the event of a disaster like
that of the brown tide. Therefore, I make a motion to deny the
request for dredging by Narrow River Marina, a request that
might prove harmful to the water quality and benefits derived
thereof.
TRUSTEE WENCZEL: I 'll second it.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: All in favor?
ALL AYES
DIANE HERBERT: Deny without prejudice?
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Deny without prejudice, of course.
7: 52 P.M. - In the matter of J.M.O. Consulting on behalf of
ANTHONY PETRILLI requests a Wetland and Coastal Erosion Permit
to construct ,a single family residence, sanitary system, deck,
regrade and crushed stone driveway as per survey prepared by
Chandler, Palmer, . & King, last dated 11/5/91.. Located East End
Road, Fishers Island. SCTM 44-5-18
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Anyone here who would like to comment on this
application?
Board of Trustees 16 October 27, 1994
GLENN JUST: Uh, I 'm Glenn Just of J.M.O. Consulting, I 'm here
if the board has any questions. I do think, though, that there
should be a correction, that it, uh, I don't believe a. coastal
erosion permit, this is in the middle of the island.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: That's what I was checking on. I don't,- I 'm
thinking this is a different application than we looked at.
TRUSTEE WENCZEL: There's some mean erosion up there.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Yeah, alright, you had me grasping for the
file. Thanks. Is there any other comments from the public, on
this application? Let me check the CAC comments.
TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL: There aren' t any.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Okay.' This is the one that Peter and Marty
and I looked at last December, so I don't know if you, you've
been there since then, but I don' t know if you've looked at this
one. Um, , it was a high knoll ground, um, and the wetlands are
all to this side, and I don't even know what direction that is,
the south direction. The neighbor was objecting.
TRUSTEE CARRELL: That's because of the view.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Well, it was more that, more because of the
proximity of their house, and they never thought anybody would
buy this parcel.
TRUSTEE CARRELL: That's right. And they never. . .
TRUSTEK .KRUPSKI: Somebody bought. it, and they're gonna build a
house on it.
TRUSTEE GARRELL: And they didn't buy it themselves.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Right. That was the main objection. I don't
believe it was environmental. Alright. Any other comment or
question for the applicant's agent?
TRUSTEE WENCZEL: No comment.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Do I have a motion to close the hearing?
TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL: So moved.
TRUSTEE ALBERTSON: Second.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: All in favor?
ALL AYES
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Do I have a motion to approve or deny?
TRUSTEE ALBERTSON: Somebody who was' there should do it.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Peter or Marty?
TRUSTEE CARRELL: Well, I would move to approve, uh, with the
stipulation, uh, the usual stipulation for haybales.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Um-hmm. - Let's find a contour line.
GLENN JUST: I believe it' s already shown.
TRUSTEE GARRELL: Is it? Okay.
TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL: Yup.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: 215' of continuous haybales. Alright.
TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL: Good job, Glenn.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Now do you have that? Thank you. Thanks a
lot. You made the motion?
TRUSTEE GARRELL: Made the motion.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Do I have a second?
TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL: Second.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: All in favor?
ALL AYES
Board of Trustees 17 October 21, 1994
7:55 P.M. - In the matter of NIGOGOS ARAIAN requests a Wetland
and Coastal Erosion Permit to attach 30 ' X 30 ' wooden deck and
construct a 60 ' bulkhead, 6 ' high. Located 54365 County Rd. ,
LILCO Pole #58, Southold. SCTM 152-1-7
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Is there anyone here who would like to comment
in favor of or against the application.?,
UNIDENTIFIED PERSON: Yes, I 'd like to point out the fact that
there is a bulkhead on both sides, on the left side and right
side, and also, you have approved the bulkhead which is on the
right side, and we'd just like to continue. And there is no
wetlands there. I 'd like to point that out.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: I believe at the last. . .
UNIDENTIFIED PERSON: The same configuration as both sides.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Alright, we actually reviewed this on, Trustee
Albertson and I reviewed this on a tour_ with the Department of
State, from the water side, um, last week, and we looked at this
specifically. Now, does this, we, I believe we asked for plans
for stairs. Because,. right.
UNIDENTIFIED PERSON: - I mailed them in.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Thank you. Because last month, we had a
problem. Um, well, the stairs that were there were sort of what
we consider sub-standard, and we'd rather see' stairs that were
elevated above the. . .I just want to get the stairs. Is there
any other comment? The CAC. . .
TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL: I think Diane is just saying, you were.
having a 'discussion about wetlands and everything. Um, in the
town code, anything within 75 ' of the water needs a wetland
application. It isn't that there is a plant there that is a
wetlands, but, that's why you have two applications. It's in
the Coastal Erosion Hazard Act area, but it' s also, um, under
the wetland code at the same time, so there' s two different
codes that are making you come here tonight, ' and so that's why
there are two different applications.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Alright, the CAC recommends disapproval of the
3.0 ' X 30 ' wooden deck, because they view it as too large. The
CAC recommends the Trustees require applicant to remove the
section which extends past the Coastal Erosion Hazard line. The
applicant should have obtained permit prior to building the
deck. The CAC disapproves the bulkhead, because no need is
shown. Oh, I see, okay. Let' s um. . .Let me find the Coastal
Erosion line on the deck. part. What?
TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL: It's about what we measured out before,
remember when we looked at it?
TRUSTEE WENCZEL: It goes right through the middle of the deck,
as I understand it.
TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL: Right, that's what we had measured out, I
think. . Remember, you had walked it out?
TRUSTEE WENCZEL: It' s on one of those, one of those plans in
the file there.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Alright. Is it on there? Oh, okay.
Alright. And we've had, it's sort of a standard for the board
to not allow a deck to be that close to the top of the bluff:,
and in this case, we'd recommend that it be pulled back 10
feet. The bulkhead application, where you're on property in
Board of Trustees 18 October 27, 1994
between two bulkheaded properties, um, my feeling is that it
represents a danger to your property, having it not bulkheaded,
because of the erosion. I don' t know how the rest of the board
feels. To continue that line of bulkhead there. . .
TRUSTEE ALBERTSON: I don't have a problem with that. .
TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL: I don' t have a problem with it at all, 'cuz
it's all by itself, sitting in the middle of, surrounded by
bulkheads. Right. But the deck itself extends into the Coastal
Erosion Hazard line, and you know, it was built before you got a
permit, .and all that.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: And the deck also has to be, as part of the
Coastal Erosion Hazard law, the deck has to be completely
detached from the house, there can't be a single nail into it,
attaching it to the house.
MS. ARAIAN: It isn't attached, I asked the people who built it,
and there are no nails that connect it into the house. Last
meeting, we had spoke about it taking it into the water if the
waves come up. . .
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Right, it's gotta be completely free.-standing
for that reason.
MS. ARAIAN: Right, it is not attached at. all.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Alright, and I 'm still looking for plans for
the stairs. Now, I think what you sent us, which we received
October 24th, the stairs extend from the deck to the bulkhead,
but I don't, unless I 'm not finding it yet, I 'm looking for
plans for stairs .from the bulkhead to the .beach, do you propose-
to build those?
UNIDENTIFIED PERSON: Uh, yes, those were sent in, I believe, by
mail.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Could you take a look at what was sent in,
'cuz I 'm not quite sure, I 'm not quite sure if that was what was
sent in. See, this, is that what was most recently sent in?
UNIDENTIFIED PERSON: Right, we don't have a cross-view on that.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: . Yeah, but that only shows it from the deck to
the bulkhead. So you see, you need a set of drawings, , a
cross-section, really from the bulkhead down to the beach,
showing us a set of stairs.
TRUSTEE 'HOLZAPFEL: You plan to put stairs from the bulkhead to
the beach, right?
MS. ARAIAN: I assume so, to get to the beach.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Right, that' s standard, you know, that' s not a
problem, it's just that we need it for the file. You have to
give us, like you have a, you have a cross-section here of the
bulkhead., you take, you take one of these drawings and you'd
show the stairs coming down here, and you'd give us the
dimensions of the stairs. And we' ll need that. We can vote on
this tonight.
(DUE TO TECHNICAL DIFFICULTIES, THIS IS AN INCOMPLETE RECORD IF
THIS DISCUSSION. )
TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL: Right, but if they had come to us
originally, it wouldn't have been approved.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Because of Coastal Erosion, it never would
have been approved.
TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL: So, do you give somebody. . .
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TRUSTEE GARRELL: Alright, so, what do you do now, you want to
remove. . .
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Remove 10 feet from the deck.
TRUSTEE GARRELL:. Remove 10 feet from the deck. What's that
gonna do to the deck?
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Free standing deck.
TRUSTEE GARRELL: Free standing deck, so it isn' t gonna. . ..
MS. ARAIAN: It' s off, it's on the ground, to cut it back, we're
gonna be totally. We have no view, as of now, on the right. hand
now, unless we go out to the, what is called. the hazard part. of
it. If we do cut it back, I mean that deck is gonna be useless
for us.
TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL: See, part of the problem is that if you had
come in earlier and done the permitting process as it should
have been done, we wouldn't have allowed that anyway.
MS. ARAIAN: We were new to this, we. . .
TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL: I understand, no, no. . .
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: We understand, you didn't do it intentionally,
it'"s just that we've had other cases where the deck has been
built out. over the bluff and .we've made people remove portions
of it, and some people had to have the deck, you know, detached
from the house and what-not.
TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL The precedent is that the next person comes
in and says oh, let's build it first, and then we can. have what
we want. Do you know what I'm trying to say, that it sets a
precedent that, don't get a permit for it, go build it, and then
come get your permit, and well, since it's already up, that's
okay.
MS. ARAIAN: We apologize for that.
TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL: I,. I'm not, I know there was no meaning.
Right, and my point ,is, if you had come for the permit, we
wouldn't have .allowed you to go past that particular line. So.,
can we reward you for not going for a permit? That's part of
what we -have to look at. That's where we're coming from.
MS. ARAIAN: Can, we be fined for it instead: of cutting it?
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: It's a law, it's a state law,. and we have to
work with the. law.
TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL: We're following the, the law says there
should be nothing built on the other side of the Coastal Erosion
Hazard Act.
UNIDENTIFIED PERSON: What about if there' s a bulkhead there?
Then there's no open erosion coast there.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: No, the Coastal Erosion. Hazard line runs,
actually the whole length' of the Eastern seaboard, and it
connects up, .it's a continuous coastal erosion hazard .line for
the whole east coast.
TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL: It's a federal line that' s drawn on all
maps, whether there�s bulkheads, or no bulkheads.
MS. ARAIAN: However. . .
TRUSTEE GARRELL: How do you remove 10 feet of deck?
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI.: It's in sections. It's you know, it's not. . .
TRUSTEE GARRELL: Oh. You don't get a chain saw and buzz it
through with a chain saw?
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: No.
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TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL: Um, what she just asked, is, there are other
people with decks further out, but I think what happens in those
things, I 'm taking a guess though, is that they are, um, pre
Coastal Erosion Hazard Act .structures. In other words, the
house existed 30 years ago, .before there was a line. The line
was only created in 187.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Well, we've only administered it since 191.
TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL: So, you know, it's something fairly new. So
that's why.you can see existing structures there.
TRUSTEE WENCZEL: Or they're in violation, one or the other.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Excuse me?
UNIDENTIFIED PERSON: So the configuration has to be 30 ' X 20'
then?
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Right.
MS. ARAIAN: Even if it is not. attached to the house?
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: That's right, yeah. Because of its proximity
to the bluff. Now, that' s what we would have, you know, like
John said, that' s what we would have approved had you, you know,
come in originally. We would never have approved a 30, a 30
foot extension. Any other comments?
TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL: It' s only, and I don't even want to open it
up, but, I think it's worth a point, is that obviously when you
construct a deck, there are break points in it. You know, in
other words, Marty was asking a question, do you just get the
saw and go right through it.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Yeah, I think that' s what we looked at it.
TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL: Yeah, I think that's,- it' s ending at a point
where structurally you can end it.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Now, if you have a problem, a. foot either way,
that you'd rather have a foot, because of the way the deck's
constructed, take off 9 feet, or 8 feet, or something like that,
come in and we' ll definitely work. with you. We're not gonna
make you, um, um. . .
TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL: Take out 30 feet and then rebuild 10, you
know what I'm trying to say, do you understand? That there
might be a stringer going across that if it's one foot beyond,.
then come in and we can work with that.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: We' ll work with you on that.
MS. ARAIAN.: Is there any way of making that less than 10? I
mean, even if the cutting point is less, let' s say 5 or
something. I mean, if you, we're only here two months out of
the year, and to me, if you don' t, the purpose of this house
that we bought was for the, it's a beach house, and to be there
for the two months and enjoy the beach, and if weere gonna keep
being pushed back, we have like a tower on 'one side, so I mean,
that the was the whole purpose. If we knew it, we would have
done it correctly, but, to cut back 10 is just destroying the
whole purpose.
TRUSTEE GARRELL: The problem is that. . ..
TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL: There is a law. There is a law that says
you can't go beyond that line.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: One of the reasons I think we picked 10, even
though it still is within the area, Coastal Erosion Hazard Area,
it seemed like the deck. . .
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TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL: That was the breaking point.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: The breaking point in the deck is 101 .
Instead of saying take 8 feet off, then you'd have two feet of
deck sticking .out, and you'd have to rebuild .-the deck
structurally.
MS. ARAIAN: Well, to rebuild it, I mean, that's not a big
issue, but.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Okay, well then if the board wants to have
them move the deck back.,. you know 61 , you know. I 'd. . .
TRUSTEE GARRELL: 10 feet, 10 feet.
TRUSTEE WENCZEL: 10 feet is granting above the line as it is.
TRUSTEE WENCZEL: 10' , plus or minus, it depends on where the
stringer is and do the best they can.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Okay. Any other comment, so we can close the
public hearing? Any other comment? Alright. Do I have a
motion to close the hearing?
TRUSTEE GARRELL: So moved.
TRUSTEE ALBERTSON: Second.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: All in favor?
ALL AYES
TRUSTEE. KRUPSKI: Make a motion? Uh, I 'll make a motion to
approve the application, subject to a 30' X Plus or minus 20 '
deck, with, um, with, well, with the condition that the permit
can't be handed out until, uh, we receive the cross-section of
stairway, the drawing of the stairway.
TRUSTEE. GARRELL: But the stairway is alright?
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Well, sure, it's just a stairway to the beach.
TRUSTEE ALBERTSON: Do you have the bulkhead in there?
TRUSTEE GARRELL: And the bulkhead.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Oh, no we'd include the bulkhead also.. Oh,
yeah, everything's in it, yeah. They' ll have the whole
application with the bulkhead as it was applied for.
TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL: What he's saying is that when you get in,
bring in the cross-section, the whole permit will be issued.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: They' ll be, they'll be typed up and waiting
for you in the office. Just bring in that plan and. . .
UNIDENTIFIED PERSON: Any time?
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI-: Diane?
DIANE HERBERT: What?
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: When will it be ready?
DIANE HERBERT: Uh, tomorrow, I can have it . ready.
UNIDENTIFIED PERSON: Okay, great, thanks very much.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI': Alright, I. need. a second on that.
TRUSTEE GARRELL: Second.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: All in favor?
ALL AYES
8:11 P.M. - In the matter of Diane Herold on behalf of BETE
BLEVINS requests a Wetland Permit to relocate existing house to
parallel property lines in order that a 24' X 24' garage- may be
built on the east side of house, a 12' X 33 ' deck on west side.
of house, a full foundation instead of concrete block piers, and
enlargement of existing second floor, and enclose an existing
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screened porch. Located 640 Haywaters: Drive, corner of Mason
Drive, Cutchogue. SCTM #104-5-23
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Would anyone like to comment on this
application?
OSCAR BLEVINS: Oscar and Beth Blevins are available for any
comments or recommendations.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Thank you. Um, I, I spoke to Diane Herold, on
the phone, about relocating the cesspool
OSCAR BLEVINS: We were aware of that.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Okay, and there's no problem with that?
OSCAR BLEVINS: No problem.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Thank you. That was one of our big concerns.
OSCAR BLEVINS: It would be indicated on the survey.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Um-hmm. Just wanted to, since you're here,
ask you that question. Alright, let me- check the CAC comments.
They recommended approval with conditions that the cesspool be
moved, which is, which is, uh, agreed upon to restore the
natural vegetative buffer. Um, violation land clearing should
be stopped immediately.
TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL: That's next door. I think so.
,TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Has there, has there been any land clearing
recently?
OSCAR BLEVINS: Uh, took some trees down.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: ,Alright. Um, are. . .
OSCAR BLEVINS: Not in the wetlands buffer..
-TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Okay, 'cuz when we inspected this, it was. . .
TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL: I think we saw the next door neighbor mowing
the marsh, and that's what we brought up. It wasn't your
property, it was next door. You know, we walked down that way.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: And the trustees were impressed with the
amount of wetland buffer you had there. Alright.
OSCAR BLEVINS: We haven't removed anything that's along the
edge of the wetland at all.
TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL: . Right.
OSCAR BLEVINS: I understand that's not allowed.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Right, no it' s not. And it's not advisable
because, during a storm event, that provides protection for your
property. That. . .
OSCAR BLEVINS: Well, they're flowering right now, so they
really look nice.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: And also, they trap all the debris, if that's
all cut down, when you get a big storm event, all that debris
from the marsh washes up on your property, and that provides a
good buffer from wave action and debris to your property.
OSCAR BLEVINS: The trees that we took down were dead, and just,
we took out some of the undergrowth.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Alright, and one of the, um, one of the
recommendations that we had on field inspection were to put,
during construction, a snow fence, between the wetland and
construction site. Just to keep any construction debris to keep
from blowing into the wetland. So we' ll have to look at it and
make sure we give you enough room. . .oh. I would say the 8'
contour would probably give you .enough room to, uh, the wetland
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line isn't on here though. Yeah, okay. Will that give you
enough room to work?
OSCAR BLEVINSc_ Oh, sure. The 10' line runs right along the
edge of the building itself. By the time we turn the . house, it
will be an adequate distance.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: You have room enough to work. Any other
comment from the board, a question? Do I have a motion to close
the hearing?
TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL: Hold on.
BETH BLEVINS: You said snow fence and not haybales, right?
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Well, we'd rather say a snow fence. Uh, in
that property, it' s not really, you don't have a turfed area,
it's not really steeply sloped toward the water, .so you
shouldn''t get any siltation from the rain effect into the water.
And this is just mainly to protect the material, whatever's
gonna blow around in the wind, or be pushed that way, and it
just makes for a physical barrier for the contractor, that he
knows he .can't be, you know intruding on the wetlands. Do -I
have a motion to close the hearing?
TRUSTEE CARRELL: So moved.
TRUSTEE ALBERTSON: So moved.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: All in favor?
ALL AYES
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Do I have a motion to approve? Based on the
CAC Recommendations?
TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL: I make a motion to approve, the application.
TRUSTEE GARRELL: Second.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: All in favor?
ALL 'AYES
8:16 P.M. - In the matter of Latham Sand & Gravel on behalf of
ROBERT R. GENSEL requests a Wetland Permit to replace
inkind/inplace 55' of 2 1/2' high wooden retaining wall which is
normally above mean high. water and no additional fill will be
necessary. Located Hobart Road, telephone pole. #14 opposite
house, cross street Landing Lane 1/4 mile south, Southold. SCTM
#64-3-2.2
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Is there anyone here who would like to speak
in favor of this application, or against this application? CAC
comments were disapproval, the retaining wall is not necessary,
applicant should plant Spartina in front of the existing
bulkhead- to avoid risk of erosion. Applicant should be required
to meet current town code by putting a buffer behind the
bulkhead. Okay, do I have any, uh, comment from the board?
TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL: Again, I just, the vegetative buffer is a
good idea. This is the one ;I wasn't here on last week, that I,
and I have, I had no problem last week, I have no problem this
week. You know.
TRUSTEE ALBERTSON: ' We have no problem with it.
TRUSTEE GARRELL: We have no problem with it either, right?
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Make a motion, someone have a motion to close
the hearing?
TRUSTEE ALBERTSON: So .moved.
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TRUSTEE GARRELL: Second.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: All in favor?
ALL AYES
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: John, why don' t you make a motion?
TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL: I 'll make a motion we approve the
application of Robert Gensel to replace inkind/inplace 55 ' 2
1/2' high wooden retaining wall, along with a 201 , um,
vegetative buffer behind the bulkhead.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: I. don't think you want to go, that, then they
can plant grass right up there.
TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL: What word do I want to use?
TRUSTEE WENCZEL: Non-turf.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Non-turf.
TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL: Non-turf.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: And I don't know if you have to go -201 .
.TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL: I do, because. . .
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: •Yeah, but they're probably not gonna disturb
that area. .
TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL: Yeah, but it's so. . .hilly there.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Well, I. was just gonna say because it's so
flat there.
TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL: No, it runs down, as a slope. It's not a
hill, but there is a whole slope from the house straight down.
TRUSTEE GARRELL: I don't remember a hill there.
TRUSTEE ALBERTSON: I don't remember, was there a hill there?
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Pete, do you remember?
TRUSTEE WENCZEL: There was a slope.
TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL: Right, Peter?
TRUSTEE WENCZEL: There was a slope.
TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL: It's a gradual, I. mean it's a slope all the
way down, constant slope.
TRUSTEE WENCZEL: It' s not a steep one, but. . .
TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL: No.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: What I 'm saying, is, 2.0 ' is only gonna bring
you to here, and it's a gentle slope, well, I. mean there' s a
marine railway here, so how steep could it be?
TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL: But, 20' is the zoning board, I mean, it's
the Town Code.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: 20 ' is?
TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL: Yeah. If there. is a code, we should follow
it.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Okay, Non-turf. I-t_ doesn't have to be
vegetative, I 'd rather see sand, or gravel. Alright, there' s a
motion, is there a second?
TRUSTEE GARRELL: Second.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: All in favor?
ALL AYES
8:19 P.M. - In the matter of Proper-T Services on behalf of -
ANDREAS PALIOURIS requests a Wetland Permit to construct a
single family dwelling within building envelope shown on survey
dated October 24, 1994. Located Private Road off Soundview
Ave. , Southold. SCTM #59-9-4.2
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DIANE HERBERT: Um, okay, this has to be assessed first.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Yes, it does. Well, .we won't ,vote on it, .
we' ll just hold the public hearing first. We had a, a little
confusion about the assessment and the public hearing, so, we
open the public hearing.
JIM FI.TZGERALD: Should I sit down?
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: No, no, we'll have the public hearing first,
then we' ll asses it, then we' ll vote on it. But since we have
the, it's not in the Type I, so we don't have. to coordinate, and
under SEQRA, we've been advised that we can assess it tonight
and have the, hold the public hearing, since it's been published
for and vote on it.
TRUSTEE GARRELL: Oh, okay, yeah, go right to it.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Sure, which is what. . .
TRUSTEE' HOLZAPFEL: Whatever you say, Al.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Well. Is there anyone who would like to
comment on this application?
JIM FITZGERALD: Jim Fitzgerald for Proper-T Services, if there
are any questions. I don't have any comments to make, that'.s
not set forth in the application.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Thank you. Any other comments? I want to get
the CAC comments. CAC recommend approval.
JIM FITZGERALD: On one, yeah, one time, one thing, the survey
is not dated October 29th, it's. October 24th. In the, in
the, in the agenda.
DIANE HERBERT: Oh, I 'm sorry. Well, what' s it say on the
bottom?
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Bottom of what?
DIANE HERBERT: Does it say the 29th? Oh, sorry.
TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL: Well, maybe he's talking about this.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: . No, it should say it on the survey.
TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL: No, it's just on this date, he's talking
about on that.
JIM FITZGERALD: The date is correct on the survey, it's
incorrect on the agenda.
TRUSTEE ALBERTSON: 29th, that hasn't come yet.
TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL: Did we all see this?
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Yes, we did. Yeah, this is where the pond is,
we had violations.
TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL: Yes, ' oh, okay, fine. We met you one day
there, when you were bulldozing and, I think, no you were gonna
bulldoze and straighten out the pond.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: I think one of the Board' s concerns were, is
that the building envelope is what, 60' wide? 70 ' wide? And is
there any way to constrain that a little bit more away from the
pond?
TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL: In other words, the building envelope looked
like it was 100 ' X 80' , and that seemed like a very large house,
and that if we could. work inside that and get that envelope a
little bit smaller, it would make us happier.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: And, and also, there's no driveway.
JIM FITZGERALD: What would you like? How happy would you like
to be?
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TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL: Well, there is a 75 limit to building within
wetlands..
JIM FITZGERALD: And if we do that, then he can't build there.
TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL: No, no, right, I understand that.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: This is why we're here.
TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL: And what we're trying to do is just say if
you could move it a few feet further away. It appears, now, we
just guessed, but it appears that the width of the envelope is
80.
JIM FITZGERALD: I have those dimensions. It's 70' wide in the
front and 100' and 105 ' on the two sides, and 75 in the back.
TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL: That just seemed like a big house.
JIM FITZGERALD: Right, it's a all-encompassing. The three
sides, uh, toward the property lines are based upon the setback
requirement, and the other is based upon my coming out, out of
my head with number.
TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL: But if we moved it to 35, that isn' t. . .
J.IM FITZGERALD: I think that would be okay.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: How about 30? You don't want to squeeze them
too much either. And what about a driveway? Is there any
proposed driveway on the, uh, on the plans?
JIM FITZGERALD: No, there isn't. The' area between the; you
know from having been there, there is a relatively wide area,
immediately adjacent to the road, but kind of in front of the
so-called wetlands, um, where a driveway could come in.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Okay, it' s just that. . .
JIM FITZGERALD: It would be closer, well, it would be, it could
be specified that the driveway would be a Pervious material.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Or placed about, I mean it'd- be easy enough to
place it outside of our jurisdiction, also. To the north of the
septic.
JIM FITZGERALD: I don't think so, Al. The ground is pretty
high for the last, right next to the road, or the northerly or
westerly portion of the property line.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI.: Okay..
TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL: And, just another, the uh, septic system, I
presume is controlled by- neighboring systems.
JIM FITZGERALD: Well, in, in the, in the letter. that
accompanied the new survey, yes, in so far as we're able to, uh,
to find people who: A) speak English, and B), who were
cooperative in telling us where their wells and septic systems
were.
TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL: Yeah, sure, right.
JIM FITZGERALD: But that, of course, would be subject to Health
Department review, and then they have to tell them. But
literally, the neighbor to the north said she wouldn't, the .
surveyor went there, she said she wouldn't tell him.
TRUSTEE GARRELL: They're very friendly people over in that
neighborhood.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: So we' ll probably get an amendment to this
from the, after you get a Health Department approval..
JIM FITZGERALD: Well, if, if it is contingent upon the location
of the septic system.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Alright, that's fine.
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TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL: Yeah, no, because, the reason I was saying
the septic system looks like. it'might be a good place for the
driveway, or just next to it. And that's why I was just asking
that question.
TRUSTEE GARRELL: That's a very friendly corner of Southold town.
JIM FITZGERALD: Yeah, whoa. And the dogs are very big.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Is there any other comment? Do I. have a
motion to close the hearing?
TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL: So moved.
TRUSTEE ALBERTSON: Second.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: All in favor?
ALL AYES
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Make a Motion, John?
TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL: Uh, now, first, uh, we are set, I mean I'm
backing up to what you said earlier.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: We have to assess this first. That' s right,
you're right. We have to make a; to make a. . .
TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL: A Neg. Dec.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: That' s right, make a motion for a Neg. Dec.
TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL: Okay, I will make a motion that we declare
this a negative declaration in terms of SEQRA.
TRUSTEE GARRELL: Yeah.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Do I have a second?
TRUSTEE WENCZEL: Second.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: All in favor?
ALL AYES
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Now that we've assessed it. . .
TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL: We can now have, we can close.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: We've closed the hearing already.
TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL: Right, so now we .can vote.
TRUSTEE_ KRUPSKI: We can vote on the application..
TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL: Alright, I would, um. . .
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Seeing as there were no questions raised
during the public hearing that would require further, uh,
further information. Like where "the driveway is.
TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL: Do we want to say' something on the
application, I. mean on our permit?
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: I would think so.
JIM FITZGERALD: Is it, would the inclusion of a requirement for
a pervious, a driveway of a pervious material satisfy you,
because he'd certainly be willing to do that.
TRUSTEE' KRUPSKI: Yeah, that would make us happier, yeah, just
to see it on paper.
TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL: So, can I put that in?
JIM FITZGERALD: Sure, yeah.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: So, can we make that . also 25' from the wetland
area?
TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL: 30.
JIM FITZGERALD: I don't know that it would fit.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Yeah.
JIM FITZGERALD: It might, because the property line along the
road, of course isn't really there. It's much closer to the
road. So, it might work. But, like I said, one of the problems
is the height of the ground immediately next to the road.
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TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL: Is 4 or 5 feet. Yeah. See, the only
problem I think Al is saying, and I think I have, is that the
road doesn't go right past the pond, you know,. quote pond.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: And I, to me, also, if you came in at an,
you're talking about coming in at an angle from the southwest,
uh, southwest, you'd have to go down, and then up again, right?
'Cuz that is, it is swelled down a little bit.
JIM FITZGERALD: No, the punitive fill, kind of took care of
it. It's pretty level until it gets to the undisturbed area,
then it drops very slightly, and it goes up, and I would think
that the, that the driveway and the parking area or garage would
be very close to the level of the. . .
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Alright, I `ll make a motion to approve the
application, subject to a drawing with a driveway, of a pervious
nature, shown on the survey. Um, the building envelope will be
30 ' from the, uh; the flagged wetland edge, and that no
mechanical disturbance of the soil shall occur within that
buffer area, except, no I -can't even say that, can I? No, I ' ll
just leave that out then, 'cuz if the driveway has to be 20' or
251 , then you're gonna, have to. . .But, that buffer area cannot be
violated for the house construction.
JIM FITZGERALD: I think that' s a given, because that' s you know.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Um-hmm-. That haybales should be placed at the
edge of the building envelope during construction. Staked
haybales. An., also, on the wetland side of the driveway, until
that, um, construction is done, and the soil has been stabilized
with vegetation. Or suitable wood chips or something to
stabilize the soil.
TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL: Second.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: All in favor?
ALL AYES
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Now, on my agenda. . .Does anyone have anything
else on their agendas? Alright, then I ' ll entertain a motion to
go off the public hearing.
TRUSTEE GARRELL: So moved.
TRUSTEE ALBERTSON: Second.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: All in favor?
ALL AYES
V. ASSESSMENTS/ENVIRONMENTAL DECLARATIONS:
1. STEVE PAPAGIANAKIS requests a Coastal. Erosion Permit to cut
back weeds and scrubs and cover with top soil near the bluff for
reinforcing. Located Sound Drive, opposite. McCann Lane,
Greenport. SCTM #33-4-2
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI moved for a Negative Declaration, TRUSTEE-
HOLZAPFEL seconded. ALL AYES
Board of Trustees 29 October 27, 1994
2. Proper-T Services on behalf of ,ANDREAS PALIOURIS requests a
Wetland Permit to construct a single family dwelling within
building envelope shown on survey. Located Private Road off
Soundview Ave. , Southold. SCTM #59-9-4.2
TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL moved for a Negative Declaration, TRUSTEE
WENCZEL seconded. 'ALL AYES
3 . En-Consultants on behalf of NEIL MC GOLDRICK requests a
Wetland Permit to maintenance dredge channel within Hall' s Creek
and approach channel from Great Peconic Bay. A total of .
1,040 '+/- of channel will be dredged. The width. of the channel
will vary. The outer channel will be 50 ' wide (plus side
slopes) and dug to depth of 5' below mean low water, plus 1'
overcut. The inner channel will vary from .a minimum of 20 ' to a
maximum of 30 ' ' (both. plus side slopes ) and dug to a depth of
210, + 1 ' overcut. Approximately 5,000 c.y. will be
hydraulically removed and placed on owner's beach west of the
creek both above and below the lines of mean high and mean low
water for use as beach nourishment. Project was previously done
by Suffolk County Department of Public Works. Multi-year
maintenance permit is requested. Existing bulkhead section
nearest residence (14 ' return, 751 ) will be replaced within
18" . The indented boat slip consisting of 15 ' , 24 ' , 311 , 241 ,
10.' will be removed and replaced inkind. The remaining two
sections, 20 ' and 10 ' return will be replaced within 18". At
the inlet to the creek, the 70' groin on the west side of the
inlet,. will be re-piled and repaired and extended 50' . The 160 '
section of bulkhead immediately to the north of- the groin will
be removed and replaced in kind and in place. The final
northerly section of bulkhead will be left in place and a new
40' section, plus 10' return will be constructed landward of the
marsh that has grown behind the existing bulkhead. An existing
8.0' groin west of the inlet will be re-piled. and repaired.
Location, private road off New Suffolk Ave. , Mattituck. SCTM r
*116-4-16. 4
TRUSTEE. HOLZAPFEL move for a Negative Declaration, TRUSTEE.
GARRELL seconded. ALL AYES
VI. RESOLUTIONS:
1. Board to set public hearings for the November 17, 1994
regular meeting for those applications that have received a
Negative Declaration and the following applications that are
Type II Actions.
a. Peconic Associates on behalf of ROBERT HOLLEY requests
a Wetland Permit to construct a 20.5 ' X. 16 ' single
story addition, 54' from the upland edge of tidal
wetlands, landward of an existing dwelling, and
relocate and existing shed (approximately 10 ' X 101 ) .
Located 1085 Bayshore Road, Greenport. SCTM #(53-3-13
Board of Trustees 30 October 27, 1994
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI moved to approve, TRUSTEE GARRELL seconded. ALL
AYES
2. Costello Marine on behalf of EDMOND CURCURU requests a
Grandfather Permit to install 75' upper retaining wall and an 8'
return, backfill with clean fill (approx. 10 c.y. ) , to be
constructed using 6" X 6" timbers, as per- his letter dated
4/29/93 . Note.: This was originally a Storm Damage request
issued last December. Located 450 Basin Road, Paradise Point,
Southold. SCTM #81-1-17
TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL moved to approve, TRUSTEE ALBERTSON seconded.
ALL AYES
3 . Costello Marine on behalf of DAI & SIM MOY request a
Grandfather Permit to resheath 150 ' bulkhead, rebolt, rebuild
and repair six timber jetties, backfill return with 10 c.y. of
clean fill. Applicant also wishes to amend this Grandfather
Permit to construct a 12 ' return. Located West Lake Road,
Southold. SCTM #90-1-1&2
TRUSTEE WENCZEL moved to Grandfather the structures already
there, TRUSTEE ALBERTSON seconded. ALL AYES
TRUSTEE WENCZEL moved to amend the permit to construct a 12 '
return and to backfill with 10 cy of clean fill. Require a 10'
non-turf buffer along the bulkhead. TRUSTEE ALBERTSON
seconded. ALL AYES
V. ASSESSMENTS/ENVIRONMENTAL DECLARATIONS:
6. EDWIN BERNHARDT requests a Wetland Permit to replace 83 '
existing bulkhead within 18". Located 500 Koke Drive, LILCO
Pole 6,500 ' from Main Bayview Road, Southold. SCTM #87-5-4
TRUSTEE ALBERTSON moved for a Negative Declaration, TRUSTEE
GARRELL seconded. ALL AYES
4. Land Use Company on behalf of ROBERT ALCUS requests a
Wetland Permit to construct a single family dwelling a minimum
of 75' from the landward limits of tidal wetlands, install a
sanitary system greater than 100' from the tidal wetlands
boundary and install a pervious driveway all in accordance with
the attached surveys dated 5/14/91 which were previously
approved by the Trustees under Permit #3884. Furthermore,
applicant will conform to the conditions set forth within the
permit previously issued. Located Cedar Point Drive East,
Southold. SCTM #92-1-2.1
TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL moved for a Negative Declaration; TRUSTEE
GARRELL seconded. ALL AYES
Board of Trustees 31 October 27, 1994
5. En-Consultants on behalf of EDGAR DEBANY requests a Wetland
Permit to construct 100 l.f. - of timber retaining wall in line
with and attached to adjacent wall to west. A 12' return will
be constructed on east side. Eroded bank up to 12 ' landward of
proposed wall location will be regraded and 75 c.y. additional
stand fill will be trucked in from upland source via owners
property. An existing 3 ' X 15 ' stairway down bluff will be
removed and replaced with a 3 ' X 10' stairway from wall to
beach. Proposed wall will be well landward of AHW and will
correct erosion of bluff. Located 27 Watersed:ge Way, Southold.
SCTM. #88-5-58
TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL moved to table the assessment, TRUSTEE
ALBERTSON seconded. ALL AYES
7. En-Consultants on behalf of THOMAS BOYLE requests a Wetland
and Coastal Erosion Permit to construct 170+/- l..f. of stone
revetment and backfill with 2500+/- cy of clean sand to be
trucked in from upland source. Purpose of structure is to
prevent further erosion to property and concrete wall which is
collapsing. Project is an emergency. Also would like to
construct a one-family dwelling, sanitary system, driveway, all
as shown on site plan. Located 600 Leeton Drive. SCTM #59-1-7
NOTE: Applicant would like to amend this application, as per
recommendations of the DEC in their letter dated March 15.
TRUSTEE GARRELL moved for a Negative Declaration, conditional on
the owner restoring the bluff above MHW, TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL
seconded. ALL AYES
Meeting Adjourned at: 10:10 P.M.
Respectfully Submitted,
Laurel Lee Macomber, Clerk
RECEIVED AND FILED BY
THE SOUTHOLD TOWN CLERK
DATE 11 118'� HOUR �'ab
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