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HomeMy WebLinkAboutTR-06/30/1994 g�FFO�� Albert J. Krupski,President p�0 COG Town Hall"- John Holzapfel, Vice President �� y1 53095 Main Road . William G. Albertson y z P.O. Box 1179 Martin H. Garrell O Southold, New York 11971. Peter Wenzel y�01. �a0� Telephone (516) 765-1892 Fax (516) 765-1823 BOARD OF TOWN TRUSTEES TOWN OF SOUTHOLD MINUTES JUNE 30; 1994 PRESENT WERE: Albert J. Krupski, Jr. , President John Ho.lzapfel, Vice-President Peter Wenczel, Member Martin H. Garrell; Member Jill bbberty, Clerk ABSENT WAS: William G. Albertson, Member Worksession: CALL MEETING TO ORDER -PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE NEXT TRUSTEE BOARD MEETING: Thursday, July 28, 1994 at 7P.M. WORKSESSION: 6: 00 P.M. NEXT FIELD INSPECTION: Thurs. July 21, 1994 at 12 noon. WORKSESSION: 4:00 P.M. APPROVE MINUTES: April 27, 1994 & May 26, 1994 Board to vote on them at next meeting. I . MONTHLY REPORT: Trustees monthly report for May 1994: A check for $4,450. 38 was forwarded to the Supervisor' s Office for the General Fund. II . PUBLIC NOTICES: Public notices are posted on the Town Clerk' s Bulletin Board for review. III . AMENDMENTS/WAIVERS/CHANGES: 1 . En-Consultants on behalf of CLEAVES POINT CLUB AND MARINA request an amendment to Permit #4224 to modify existing dock consisting of a fixed pier, hinged ramp, floating docks, floating wave curtain. The existing fixed pier will now have an overall dimension of 6 ' X 245' with a 6' X 110 ' outer "T" . Both fixed sections will have 20 ' sections of wave baffles on alternate sides with 10 ' spacing. The outer "T" will have ( 2) 4' X 30' fixed finger docks with (2) pilings between. A 4' X Board of Trustees 2 June 30, 1994 14' hinged ramp will extend off the (roughly) mid-section of the main fixed pier and rest upon a 6' X 100 ' series of floats. on the. north side of this main float will be ( 4) 3 ' X 25 ' fixed . floats with ( 3) mooring pilings. On the south side of ' the main float will. be (4) 3 ' X 30' finger floats with (3) mooring pilings. On the east, side of the main section of the fixed pier will be (6) mooring pilings for transient slips. Located 2820 Shipyard Lane, East Marion. After speaking with the agent and the .applicants, a motion was made by TRUSTEE KRUPSKI and seconded by TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL to approve subject 'to receiving revised plans showing only 16 slips and removing the pilings on the east side of dock. ALL AYES TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL: #6 SANDFORD .FRIEMANN request an amendment to permit #4318 to add a 3 ' X 12' ramp and an 8' X 20' float to existing dock. Located 1165 Old Harbor Road, New Suffolk. #117-3-8.4. This matches up with neighboring docks and structures. A: motion was made by TRUSTEE GARRELL. and seconded by TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL. , AYES: GARRELL, HOLZAPFEL, WENCZEL. Abstain: KRUPSKI. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI': Now we will move on to our public hearings. Trustees spoke with Chris Connors at worksession- asked him to check into "Clivus Multrum" system (composting toilet) , Ruth Cook. has one. Board will review with. Health Dept. Public 'Hearing will be recessed until next meeting 7/28/94. `--'T:46 P.M. In the matter of SCALLOP SEASON: Board to consider opening the commercial season October 17, 1994 and non-commercial on October 3, 1994 giving them two weeks prior to commercial season. Would anyone here like to speak in favor or against this proposal? MR. LENNOX: I would like to ask a question. Why is this being considered? Did we not have a 30 day period last year? TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: That is right. Last year we got .a request and I don't know who it was from to extend the non-commercial scallop season at the beginning of the season to four weeks instead of. the normal two week time. Since time in memorial it has been a two week period between the private and the commercial to give people a chance to get a mess of scallops without the commercial people. . . MR. DELISLE: It has always been a month. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: It has always been two weeks. TRUSTEE WENCZEL: It has always been two weeks. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI : Last year it was changed. to see how it would go. Someone had .an idea and the board passed it and gave it a chance.. That is why it was changed. We have a letter in the file from the baymen saying that this was abused by people who where using it as a semi commercial season that people would take time off of work and go out and take more than their limit and that there where 'a lot of scallops taken illegally. This public hearing is here because we want to see what peoples comments are based on keeping it or changing it back. Board of Trustees 3 June 30,. 1994 MR LENNOX: As far as1I know this is the only brake that the non-commercial fishermen get in this world. The only one. MR. DELISLE: We always had thirty days in Hallocks Bay.. TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL: That is not true. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: With� a regular shellfish permit you can still. go out there and harvest throughout the entire season. It doesn't mean that youlonly get the two weeks and you can't go out there again. BRUCE LOUCKA: I am speaking for myself not as a CAC member. I am oppose to this. - You mentioned. that if there is a problem with the people that are in there during the first two days taking excess, that is an enforcement problem. It should be looked out through enforcement. The people that obey the law take their half a bushel shouldn't be penalized because someone else is doing. . . or people going in during those first thirty days taking by hand. Once the dredge goes in you can' t take by hand anymore because the water is clouded up. I had to go home. TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL: What brought thi.s 'about to some extent is that the -commercial- people where going in during that one month period andharvesting''them and selling them. They would go in with two or three relatives and getting a bushel.. They where all getting their legal half of a bushel but they where getting together and getting one or two or three bushels with family. members and everything else. It became a semi-commercial season this year because the ,price was so high. That was part of the problem. It wasn't a private season, it turned out to be a commercial season. MR. LENNOX: This is not going to help that. They are, still going to do that .in the two weeks. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Someone made a suggestion of limiting to a bushel a boat. That way you couldn't abuse it. .That way people can go out and get their half bushel limit. TRUSTEE WENCZEL: That ',would be a code change. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: We could do that. We could recommend. it. TRUSTEE WENCZEL: .That ,is not what we are considering tonight. We are just .simply considering when to open. the. commercial season. Part. of the reason that the baymen requested that the commercial season open up two weeks after the non-commercial season opened as it traditional had been is because one problem they encountered is when it opened up November 1 which would allow for a. thirty day season like we had last year, most of of Cape Code and Massachusetts opens ,up. . .Changed tape—scallops on the market. By Southold Town opening up at that. point 'the price was falling. It was the feeling of the baymen that they can get a better price for their product by opening the season mid October as opposed to November 1. BRUCE LOUCKA: That can be solved by opening the mess season in September. ' TRUSTEE WENCZEL: You can't do that because now .State law says when scallop season will open. The State season opens the first Monday in October. The reason that it was changed from the third the Monday in September was because at that time in September and early October the Scallops are growing rapidly. They spend most of their energy during the Summer spawning. Board of Trustees 4, June 30, 3_994 Once you get to late September they put their energy into growth. So by delaying the season we are able to get a much better product and we are also able to assure they where finished with their spawning cycle before they where harvested. It would counter productive to move the opening the non-commercial season back. I don't quite understand, not as a Trustee but as a baymen., why. the non-commercial person needs more then two weeks and why if they need more than that why they don't simply come out when it opens up. BRUCE LOUCKA: When it is opened up you cannot see the bottom because the dredges go through and you can't see the bottom. TRUSTEE GARRELL: What is best for the resource,, Pete. TRUSTEE WENCZEL:This is not a resource question. This is more a user question. TRUSTEE. GARRELL: Does the harvest increase, decrease? what impact on numbers of Scallops? TRUSTEE WENCZEL: It has no effect. TRUSTEE- GARRELL: It has no effect no matter which way you go? TRUSTEE WENCZEL: I don' t. think so. Not as long as you assume that the season can open no sooner than the first- Monday in October. It has an effect on. what is maybe what is available for the commercial fishermen. TRUSTEE GARELL: It obviously has an effect on the public judging from the strong feelings. TRUSTEE WENCZEL: Well, strong feelings from a few individuals. How many Scallops can you eat? MR. LENNOX: Sir, would you explain to me how they allow them to. open the season a month early more north of us.. in Massachusetts. I don't understand how that happens. You explained about the spawning. sedson. Does in end earlier. TRUSTEE WENCZEL: Some places up north open up October 15th, some places open up November 1st. I think the Islands and most of Cape Code opens up November 1st. Up there their spawning season runs later then ours does because their water temperature. is slightly colder. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Do I have any other comment? I need a motion to close the public hearing. TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL: Motion to close. TRUSTEE GARRELL: Second. ALL AYES. TRUSTEE WENCZEL: I make a motion that we set the opening of the commercial Scallop season at October 17, 1994 and the non-commercial season October. 3, 1994. TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL: Second. AYES: Wenczel, Holzapfel, Krupski. ABSTAIN: Garrell. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: 7: 56 in the matter of the Town age restriction . of commercial shellfish li.cense.. Board to consider lowering the current age restriction which is now 14 years of age. Anyone here who would like to speak to that either for or against? Peter would you like to explain this? TRUSTEE WENCZEL: The baymen once again asked for a. change in that restriction.. When it comes to getting a New York State Commercial permit there is no age restriction. It has traditionally been practice that when the Scallop Season is, this probably applies mostly to Scallop Season, in process the Board of Trustees 5 June 30, 1994 people who make their living on the water generally go as a. family. In the creeks now it is five bushels per person or ten bushels per boat. They would traditionally take either a spouse or .a family member in order to get that ten bushel limit. The baymen felt that restricting it to 14 years of: age was. unf.air and wasn't in keeping with what the State regulation where. They asked that that be lowered. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: What, do you recommend that .it be .lowered to? TRUSTEE' WENCZEL: I am' not sure what it should be. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: To bad there is not a. representative from the . Baymens Association here. . TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL: We; had a Shellfish Advisory meeting, it was discussed at that. At that meeting there are a half a dozen baymen, a half a dozen citizens of the Town who. are not professional baymen and there are a couple of professional scientists or members of organizations. It was. battered around back and forth amongst this group and they talked about 12. They almost called it a Jr. licence. The kids would not be able to take as much' as a .commercial licence. That they, would be able to take half.. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Half the limit, half the price for commercial licence. TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL: The kids can have the experience of going out and learning. Al was � at the meeting too .and he brought up the point that .he was driving his tractor at 8 or 10., It is part of a heritage. My only concern is, I brought it up there and I' ll bring it up again, that are parents going to drag there kids out there just to sit in the boat to be capable in- getting another half of a bushel and is that child abuse, I am' using .that word very' freely.. I.s it a use of a kid that really shouldn't be. TRUSTEE GARRELL: There was a time 20 - 30 years ago that your entry level with all these things, there was no question about it. Get the kids behind the wheel of a tractor, put the' kid on your lap and let themtake the steering wheel of the car. The questions becomes one ,of' numbers of people and availability of shellfish. I. think the problem with all the fisheries is that we seem to be getting into an area whether it is shellfish or, f.infish where we are having to restrict the number of users. TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL: Scallop season is a very different organism, because scallops only 'live two years. TRUSTEE GARRELL: I know. TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL: I am just trying to say that there is no stock when you. talk about scallops. The adults are the ones that are harvested and they'die the second Winter. There is no pressure. The idea is 'to get all of them. They are just going to go to waste. It is 'a little bit different .when you are taking about resource in that case. TRUSTEE GARRELL: But it doesn't say commercial scalloping licence, it says commercial shellfishing license. TRUSTEE WENCZEL: Right, but it applies mostly to scallops. I think we should go with the recommendation of the shellfish advisory committee. That is the whole point of that committee. TRUSTEE GARRELL: Alright. And those recommendations are? Board of Trustees 6. June 30, 1994. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: From 12 to 14 will be a Jr. license. If the .feeling of the baymen, was to preserve a heritage and a way of life for the baymen then it is appropriate- to have the children at a young -age be accustom to the way of life as a baymen. That is my feeling. It should be appropriate for a kid. When I was 12 I liked .to work and earn a buck and .I don't think that is such a bad to learn the value of a dollar at a. early age. I. think that the baymen,. . .it is almost an incentive to take a child out there. As one baymen told me privately, if the child doesn't want to be out there, you will never bring them out there again. It would.. make an awful long day for yourself. I would be in favor of a Jr. licence for the shellfish season. I don't know if we can brake that off on a. commercial level strictly for the scallop season. TRUSTEE WENCZEL: There are a lot of kids who like to go clamming. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: That' is true. Alright. MR. LENNEX: The clams- don't die at the end of two years. TRUSTEE WENCZEL: You think that the 12 year old's are going to clean it all up. MR. MARTIN: It puts more pressure on a very valuable and a very scarce, resource we have right now. Nobody knows where the brown or the red tide comes from. They can't put there finger on it and you are just putting that much more pressure on a very scarce, valuable resource. TRUSTEE. KRUPSKI: If we act on this I suggest that we act on a one year trial period. If people feel this is abuse, they can take a look certainly and see who is out on. the:. water. There is no hiding the fact. We will have a record in Town Hall as to the number of Jr. permits issued. So we will. know in fact how many permits were issued. Is there. any record with the State? Do they have to tag the clams? TRUSTEE WENCZEL: Sure they tag them. What do you mean? TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Do they have a record of who harvested them? TRUSTEE WENCZEL: No. The buyer has to maintain the tags and has a record of who sold what. The individual has to keep a log. But the State doesn' t keep a track that Joe Smith caught some many clams per year. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: So you are saying that the harvester, has to keep the record? TRUSTEE WENCZEL: That 'is. ri.ght. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Are they required by law to keep that_? TRUSTEE WENCZEL: That is right. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: I would move to approve this on 12-14 on a Jr. licence where they would half the commercial limit and it would cost half the amount for that commercial limit and we will review this again next year and. se.e how many Jr. permits where issued. They are required by law to keep a record of how much was taken because the shellfish has to be tagged by the State and then we will know how much of the resource has been taken out. MR. MARTIN: And supply that record to you here? TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Yes, 'absolutely. Board of Trustees 7 June 30, 1994 MR. MARTIN: Will those Jr. Commercial people will they fish during the commercial season only and not prior to or in the non-commercial' season' TRUSTEE WENCZEL: They, can take a non-commercial limit at the non-commercial season: TRUSTEE- KRUPSKI: They are restricted by the commercial season. MR. DELISLE: What would be the charge for the commercial licence? TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Half the price. They would half the limit and be charged half the price. What is. the charge. for. a commercial shellfish licence? TRUSTEE WENCZEL: Plus-,they would need a State permit. State permit is 50.00 dollars 'I think. . TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Peter, do you have any idea on how many people are interested in this? TRUSTEE WENCZEL: No not really. I don't think that there will be that many people. MR. MARTIN: You are going to say that a child and a father, the father having a full commercial licence and child having half, can drag 7 1/2 bushels in the same boat and drag for that many more hours? TRUSTEE WENCZEL: .Right. Sir I will tell you, I have been on . the water for over 201years and when there are plenty of. Scallops my wife and I would go in the beginning of the season and we would each get ;our limit. If I am interested in getting ten bushels in Town waters I think I would just. take' my wife anyhow and it is not going to have an effect one way or the other. You are still restricted to five bushe.ls..Per person .and ten per boat. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: He is taking an adult with him and he will get ten bushels. If he takes a child then he only gets-7 1/2. TRUSTEE WENCZEL: My kids are in school during the week they are not going to be out there. MR. LENNEX: But . . .the licences? TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: You are restricted by ten bushels per boat. You are not taking anything additional. You. are actually taking less if you take a child. TRUSTEE CARRELL: So if; you take a child and your wife you still be. . .? TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Only ten. TRUSTEE DELISLE: What about clams? TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Is there a limit on clams per boat? TRUSTEE WENCZEL: It is; irrelevant. 2000. clams a. day. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Does. ,anyone catch 2000 clams a day? TRUSTEE WENCZEL: Only 'in the conditional areas. and only on very rare occasion. It would be hard pressed. AUDIENCE MEMBER: What did he say. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: He said. the limit on clams is. 2000 clams a day. The only time someone gets 2000 clams a day is when they open a conditional area that is closed because of bad water quality and then they open that area like Arshomomaque Pond or Mattituck Inlet. Then people go din there. It is a conditional. permit which means if it rains 2/10ths of an inch it closes down for a week. So the people can go in there.' There is a tramendas Board of Trustees 8 June 30, 1994 resource there because the water -quality is closed most of the time. MR. LENNOX: Is there a restriction on the number of people that can be on a boat' for commercial clamming? TRUSTEE .WENCZEL: I don't think so. TRUSTEE GARRELL: I gather that most of the young people that you have interested in this would be doing scalloping most of the time? TRUSTEE WENCZEL: I would think so. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Again, if we adopt this it would be a one year trial period. I got a motion on the floor. TRUSTEE WENCZEL: ,Excuse me just to clarify. There is a . . .2 or more person occupying the same boat may take not more than 4000 clams .in one day1for commercial purposes. So it is the same as with scallops. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: So if you have a child with you, you can only take 3000. TRUSTEE GARRELL: Second. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: O.K. ' we have a motion and a second. All in favor? AYES: Garrell, Krupski, Wenczel. Ney: Holzapfel TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: O.K. ' so we have a half price,. half .limit on 12 to 14 and require the licence holder to give us at the end of -the year upon permit renewal they will have to provide us with the information on how many bushel they harvested. TRUSTEK KRUPSKI: 8:19 ,P.M. In the matter of Costello Marine- Cont. on: behalf of IRENE MILLER. to install access:.,-walkway and stairway beach as follows: 1. - 41X 19' walkway, 2 - 3 ' X 20' horizontal walkways, 4 - 3' X 20' stairways and 1 - 4' X 8' mid platform. Located 160 Salt Marsh Lane, Peconic. SCTM #68-3-10. Is there anyone here who would like to speak in favor of this. SUE LONG: On behalf of Costello Marine Contr.. I am here to answer any questions you might have. Simply there is a beautiful piece of: property there and Mrs. Miller: wants to provide safe access for her family and her guest to enjoy the beach below. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Would anyone like to speak against this before we start making comments? O.K. Bill Albertson took a look at this. BRUCE LOUCKA: Do you have our comments on this? TRUSTEE, KRUPSKI: The comments from' the CAC where to recommend approval provided the staircase be elevated a minimum of 4' above grade and that under the stairs is re-vegetated to prevent erosion. Bill Albertson who is not in this Continent writes: . Picture where provided by the applicants, finding this house was. half the battle, at present the only way to the beach is a long walk around. Mrs. Miller wishes to be able to access the beach from her property. She'. told me if she could have a stairway to the beach, she will be happy. I _had no measuring tape, but I think this stairway is, beyond 100 feet from the water. The only thing . I am wondering about' is why Mrs. . Miller needs a 4' X 8' platform halfway down .,the bluff? _ . .Board of Trustees 9 June 30, 1994 SUE LONG: That platform is somewhat of a safety precaution. Kind of like a stop midway and catch your breath. And if someone trips and falls on the way down, that is a little. catch haven. They' are installed in all of the ,.stairways that we construct for our clients. TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL: 4 X 81 ? SUE LONG.: That is what we propose. I can't tell, you off the top of my head. Sometimes, the DEC recommends. 4' X 6' as a minimum. I haven' t gotten any negative response from the 'DEC regarding the size'.of that platform. They did ask for additional photos because there is a tremendous length of property from the toe of the bluff out to -the water line. The pictures are very deceiving because it is such large area.. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: So Mrs. Miller might not have a problem with limiting the platform; to 6' long instead of 8' ? SUE LONG: Probably not. I think she would be very happy to. have the staircase there. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Any other further comment? Close the hearing. TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL: Second. ALL AYES. TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL: I make the motion to approve it with the stipulation that the landing be 4.' X 6' and the steps be 4' elevated and revegetated under them. TRUSTEE GARRELL: Second. ALL AYES. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: 8:24 P.M. in the matter of Costello Marine Contr. on behalf of DAN KELLY to replace lower stringer on bulkhead., replace wooden sheathing on two jetties, extend existing dock facility by installing a 3' .X. 2:0_'. .aluminum ramp and a 6 ' X 24' floating dock secured by two 2 pile dolphins. Located Village Lane, 'Orient. #26-1-20.1. Anyone here who would like to speak against this application? Anyone here who would like to speak in favor of this application? SUE LONG: Costello Marine, again. I will answer . any questions that you have. Simply there is a 40' existing dock there now, a fixed structure. We would like to add a twenty foot ramp and a twenty foot float to the end of that. I have been at the site and the dock to the north of it does extend 52' past the existing dock of our client. Even. with our extension he (the .neighbor) will still extend 32' beyond that. We are not asking. for an excessive amount he just wants to get a little more water depth there and also repair the bottom stringer on that bulkhead which insfalling off and those jetties are in a bad state and we want to fix those up. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Thank you. CAC recommends approval without any conditions. TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL: Is 'there much of difference in the depth of the water from where he is now to where he is going out? SUE LONG: About 2 1/2 'to 3 1/21 . TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL: What is it now? SUE LONG: Approximately - 2 1/2' . I would .also like to mention that the property is on an angle and the Dormen, dock is somewhat on an angle. This dock goes out on an. angle and there is Bredemeyer' s house .right. in the middle of those two docks. If he so chooses in the future to do anything in between those Board of .Trustees 10 June 30, 1994 two docks, because of. the angles to the right of him and the dock that. we are working on now there will be ample room for him to do something there in the future. Thank you.. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Any .other comments? TRUSTEE WENCZEL: It was my feeling when we where down there . that the dock was to long for the area. It is going to extend beyond" what that other dock. is now, right? SUE LONG: No. It will ;be 32' shorter then the Dormens dock. TRUSTEE WENCZEL: The Dormens is the' big one with "L"' on the- end of it. .SUE LONG: Yes. We just constructed a dock south of that, Mr.. Frenchs dock, and his is 100' out, his fixed dock,. TRUSTEE GARRELL: I take it that the lengths of those docks in .that area pushing, pushing out to 100' length is necessary- because of water depth. SUE LONG: Yes., But a part of him wanting to put a ramp and float also is for bathing access for his family. As I said. the dock, will be 32.' shorter after we put the ramp and float on then the. Dormen dock. It is still shorter than dock to the south that we 'just constructed. I . am sure the float and the- ramp will be removed during the Winter months. That is a pretty heavy weather area there. TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL: There was some concern at. that particular spot is a very highly used area for scalloping. Local people go out there and if you are putting that out there you are all of a sudden building a circle around it that the local- people will be blocked off. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Then ;why don't we put a condition: .on it that it - will be removed by the scallop season. SUE LONG: When is scallop season? TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Lets just say sometime in mid October. SUE LONG: The boating 'season isn't quite over yet. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: How about. November 1st. SUE LONG:- . . . TRUSTEE_HOLZAPFEL: It was just a consideration that we had. We , are trying to protect the bottom for everybody. You are asking. to take a square footage from everybody else. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: It is not just this area. We are placing a limit on the length of docks in the bays anyway. Just because the depth of water isn't a good enough reason to extend a dock. You could have any- siz,e boat and you need 5' of water you can go out 500' in- the bay. You got to come up with some sort of reasonability. I would say if we could put a restriction that it is out by November 1st. -SUE LONG: O.K. I don't know what my client will say about that. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: unless there is some sort of special .compelling reason that he has to keep it in to November 7th or something. SUE LONG: I guess if you put that condition on that, we can always come back to you with a grievance saying there is a problem? TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Any other comment? Do I have a motion to close the hearing? .Board of Trustees 11 June 30, 1994 DAN KELLY: Excuse me., I am the owner of the property. I: have " just listened to you a few minutes, ago lower the age for children to scallop, change the scalloping season and I just think that that proposal for November 1st may not be fare to my family either. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI.: .Please tell us why. That is fine. I am glad you are here. DAN KELLY: I just feel that, as someone said earlier, with paying a premium for the waterfront property part of the intention was to make.� the most use of access of the waterfront property. Especially by the family. That is why we wanted to. relocate. I just question the motives for wanting that restriction. I .think that. i.t is on fair restriction. TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL: Do' you see the other side? In the sense that the bottom belongs to everybody in the state and what you are saying is that you want exclusive use to a certain part of it. DAN KELLY: I don't find that certain part to be excessive when you look at the other existing structures .that are presently .in place. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Would you .take the float and ramp out in the Winter time? DAN KELLY: I have every intension of it because I was real impressed with the amount of ice that was there thi.s .year. In fact one of my jetties was destroyed by the ice this year. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: What , is a good date for you? DAN KELLY.: Would December 1st be a problem? TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Thatisounds fine with me. If there is a resource there, it is - still. going to be there.--.. DAN KELLY: I am not looking to. . . TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: No, that is fine. I. am glad you are here for that. DAN KELLY: I. would like my children to be able ,to .utilize that dock for there own pleasure. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: That ,is fine. Is that O.K. TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL: Noiproblem at all. DAN KELLY: Is there a `time where putting it back in? TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: When ,the ice is gone. TRUSTEE GARRELL: Move to close the hearing. TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL: Second. ALL AYES. TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL: I make a motion to approve the application with the stipulation that the dock and ramp is removed by December 1. TRUSTEE GARRELL: Second. ALL AYES. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: 8:37 P.M. In the matter of CHARLES BURNHA14 to renovate existing residence on same foot print except for the southerly end which will be extended 30' , as per survey dated April 22, 1993.. Locate Pine Neck Road, Southold. #70-6-19. Is there anyone here who would like to speak on this application either in favor or against? TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL: Itis a house that exist now and they are just going to add a little bit to it. They had originally asked for a letter of non-jurisdiction. we said. no that it was slightly within our area and they came back and filled out an Board of Trustees 12 June 30, 1994 application and I would suggest that there are no problems as long as there is the normal haybales, runoff., the normal things that we do when a new building gets put in is in place. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: CAC recommends approval. Do I have a motion to close the. hearing? TRUSTEE GARRELL: Close. TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL: Second. ALL AYES. TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL: I will make a motion to approve the application. as is with the normal. building... .Hay bales on the water side, at the crest of the hill. At the top of the bluff. TRUSTEE GARRELL: Second. ALL AYES. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: 8:351P.M. - In the matter of Paul Heffernan on behalf of THERESA CASAMISINA for a 37' bulkhead that was _ built in 1978. Located 1195 Island View Lane, Greenport. #57-2-19. Mould anyone like to speak against this application? Would anyone here like to speak on behalf of this application? CAC recommends approval for the wetland application to obtain a permit. for a. 37' bulkhead that was build in 1978. CAC sees no need for the bulkhead. but is concerned for the damage which could occur. The present bulkhead is ripped out. TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL: It ,is not old enough to be Grandfathered, but they never got a permit now. They don't want to build anything, they just want to record it on there deed so they can sell their house? CLERK: That is my understanding from speaking to Mr. Heffernan. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Being no further comment, I .will., entertain a motion to close the hearing. TRUSTEE GARRELL: So moved. TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL: Second. ALL AYES. TRUSTEE GARRELL: Move :to approve. TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL: Second. ALL AYES. The public hearing on ZARA GICALE was not held as the board received a letter stating that the applicant is withdrawing her application. SCTM #110-7-17. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: 8:37 P.M. - In the- matter of HAROLD AVENT to obtain a permit for alsingle family dwelling as per map dated march 28, 1994. Located. off new Suffolk Ave. , Matti.tuck. SCTM #115-10-2. Is there anyone here would like to speak in favor of this application? Is there anyone here who would like to speak against this application? 'This is one we have been out on a couple of times. The applicant was supposed to stake the house. Half "of which was in the farm field. TRUSTEE GARRELL: The critical thing is the bank. It is one of the last pieces of intact banks along the edge of Deep Hole. I have no problem with it. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: We can recommend a buffer zone of say 20' of turf .in front of the house. That will give you 65' of buffer. That is what I would recommend anyway. 2:0' on the east of the house turfed area, no. more than that and the rest would be i Board of Trustees 13 . June 30, 1994 undisturbed buffer zone. Do I have .a motion to close the hearing? TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL: So', moved.. TRUSTEE GARRELL: Second. ALL AYES. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: I will make the motion to. approve the application based on the east side the house no disturbed areas beyond 20' and we would like to see gutters and drywel.ls and a staked row of haybales 20' from the proposed house. TRUSTEE. HOLZAPFEL: Second. ALL AYES. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: 8: 40; P.M. - In the matter, of JOHN & MARY KELLY to construct a 3 ' X 20' catwalk, a 3' X 12' ramp, . two 4' X 10' floats and one 6' X 11' docking float to be taken out each Winter. Located 2900 Beebe Drive, Cutchogue., S.CTM '#103-3-15. Woul& anyone here like to speak in favor of this application? Would anyone here like to speak against this application? I would, recommend approval of this as long as the floats don't set on the bottom. No further comment from the Board? Motion to close the public hearing. TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL: Second. ALL AYES. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: I will make a motion to approve with the condition that the CAC recommendations be followed about spartina planting above the mean high tide mark and extending the catwalk back 10 more feet towards the house so that no traffic would have to'take place in the field itself. TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL: Second. ALL AYES. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: 8: 42 P.M. - In the matter of ROBERT L. GARBEN to construct a 3' X 60' floating dock from bulkhead out toward channel. Located 3575 Wells Ave. , 350' east of Oaklawn Ave.., Southold. SCTM #70-4-5. ROBERT GARBEN: My name is Robert Garben. I have acquired this house about 7 or �8 years ago and I am an avid sailor and canoeist. When I have quest at the house and we use the canoe. along the beach: Part of the area in front of the staving is sand east of the old dock that Mr. Goldsmith had, it is Spartina it is some other kind. There is a beach that extends out toward Joe . . . quite a distance. What 2 was trying to organize to have is a 'floating dock just to accommodate people boarding canoes or a sunfish and occasionally an outboard -runabout to take my guest to the beach or locally to bay through the canal. I understand .there is a problem with the permit and maybe you can inform me and tell me what the real problem is so maybe we can work it out together. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Thank you.. Do you have any DEC approval? ROBERT GARBEN: There was a dock there years ago. Jim Rich remembers when there was :a dock there. I never saw it. TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL: Some of the concern that the Board has was the concern is the fact that you are using a floating dock instead of a catwalk going out over the bottom. That water is very shallow. ROBERT GARBEN: The reason why I want a floating dock is due to the fact that boarding a canoe or sunfish you need a dock about Board of Trustees 14 June 30, 1994 a 1 ' - 1 1/2' from the water. For any people that are at least bit unsteady on their feet they can get in trouble. My wife has a bad knee and we didn't want have a,permit ramp out to the floating dock because' she has. to climb down stairs one foot at a time. She is alrightaonce she is. on the boat. To go from. the land to the water craft is a bit for of a problem. As we walk out from the staving there is about 3 or 4 steps down to the stand. The reason I didn't want a ramp is due to the fact that we might get 2 canoes out and a sunfish and maybe a sailing dingy when I have company and we line them up on. the beach. It would be more. accommodating if we had a small floating dock that they could instead of , getting in the water along the edge they would have clean feet- and get in the boat and proceed from there. If you. walk out 12' from the shoreline you go up to your waist. in mud. That is one of the reasons why I wanted the. dock. I don't need dredging: We have a larger boat that we keep out at a. mooring and.we row out to that and leave the dingy there and go off. But for conditions when we are going to the beach. And we have a picnic or a party and you have say 25 guest and 10 or so want to use the ,small boats, it would be convenient to have a small floating -dock. When I gave the proposal it said some where are 54 or 641 . The reason I took that -figure is because some of the docks are that far out. It doesn't mean I have to go that far out. If I can go out. 25 or 30' would be great. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: I don't think the DEC would grant a permit for a. float that is going ,to rest on the bottom. . ROBERT GARBEN: Would it be alright 'if put the- float out beyond the. . . .and had a gangplank. The gang plank would not be left there. I. would pull it up on the shore line. The reason, I don't want a permanent gangplank or ramp is that I take the boats down to -the shore line and line them up on the beach, I. have to drag them either over the dock or under the dock. That is not good for the boats plus it isn't good for me. The main. .reason I need the dock is that we go down to China if we get about 12' off the shore.. TRUSTEE _KRUPSKI: We don' t have a problem with that. The problem s i the fact that the float was going to laying on the bottom. If. you want to have a .gang plank going out to get over that inter tidal area and make a. 20' gang plank and a 20' float. ROBERT GARBEN: 20' would be rather large. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Whatever. I. think we can work something out. ROBERT GARBEN: . Normally the tide goes out beyond the grass area.. Occasionally with a northwest wind with, a moon it will go out there 25 or 301 . There .is no water from the staving out about 135 to 150' and then it is the dredged channel that goes out about 7, 71/2' . TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Again, we don't want to approve something for you, your going to have to go to the DEC and they are not going to approve that. Then you are going to have to come back to us and have to get us to review it and amend our permit to reflect what the DEC has given;. We don't want to get in that situation where you are bouncing' back and forth. BRUCE LOUCKA: Did you get. our recommendations.? ..'Board of Trustees 15 ,Tune 30, 1994 TRUSTEE KRUPSKI : Yes. ' TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL.: The Council disapproved. the way it is because it sits on. the bottom'. The Council suggest that the applicant install a 3' wide catwalk beginning at the top lip of the bulkhead leading to a'' 6' X 20' floating dock. The new configuration. should not exceed the original 60' intrusion put into the creek. So in' other words they are taking about a catwalk leading from your bulkhead straight out with a ramp .going to down to a floating dock. ROBERT GARBEN: Now .that is the problem, if I had that catwalk, I might as well not put it in. Then I have to drag the boats over. the dock or under it. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: I don't understand why you are dragging the boats. You-don't have to put the catwalk in that location. You can put it, we usually put it 15' off property lines, so you can put 15' off the property line. Keep your boats on one side and your catwalks here. Then you won't have to .drag them anywhere. 'Does that make any sense. ROBERT GARBEN: Where I ,launch the boats is usually where there is no vegetation. I have Rosa Rugosa, Pussy Willow, some Cherries, different natural plants. I. don't want to disturb that. I. don'-t walk on that. I like to preserve that because it preserves the shore. When a launch the boats I usually bring. it on a roller or have somebody help me carry them, then I put it over the staving onto ,the shoreline and then I. launch the boat. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: 'I am still not following you. If you just move the structure over to ,the side, it would be out of the way of moving your boats in and out. ROBERT GARBEN: You mean put the ramp over to the west or the east? TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: That ,is right. ROBERT GARBEN: It could be done. But there is already a stair case in the middle of ,the property. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: You can use the staircase to access the beach and just walk to the structure and walk straight out. TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL.: The problem is the floats. You might want to think about in your mind. One 20' float out further so you can get in and out easily.. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: What 'Is generally done is that you come off the. top of the_.bulkhead with a fixed dock to whatever length is deemed necessary, have a ramp down and then your float out here. You can' have this off to the side. You would go right over the vegetation and it will still grow. TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL: Apply to the DEC and see what they say and then get back to us. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: We will recess. this hearing and when you decide what. is the best for you we are ready to go. TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL: Motion to recess. TRUSTEE WENCZEL: Second. ALL AYES. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI': 8:59 P.M. - In the matter of GARDENERS BAY. ESTATES to install stairs, a 3 ' X 25' catwalk, . a 3 ' X 12' ramp, one 4' X 48' main float, two 3' X 14' finger floats, one 6' X 1.6' finger float and pilings. Located .end of Dogwood Lane, East —Board of Trustees 16 June 30, 1994 Marion. #37-4-17. When anyone like to speak against this application? I just "received a letter: Please be advised that not withstanding by previous objections to the application for a 6. boat float by Gardiners Bay Home Owners Association presently pending before the Town Trustees, I hereby no longer apposed this application. Sincerely, Warren A. Sambach,. Jr. Is there anyone here who would like to speak in favor of the application? Does the Board have any questions? T have a letter in the file from Gardiners Bay Homeowners Assoc. Dear Sirs, please be advised that on June 4, 1.994 Gardiners Bay Estates Homeowners Association, Inc. Board of Directors passed the following resolution in regards to` dockage on Dog Wood Lane. One, the Sambach's will give existing ramp and catwalk and float' to Association valued at $1,600.00. In . consideration of this donation the .Sambach's will have the right of first refusal for the dockage of one boat and pay the annual floating dock and boat fees. Two, it is understood that no rights of the Association property are given away. Three, if . the Gardiners ,Bay Estates Homeowners Association Board agrees to this recommendation the Sambach' s will send a. letter (which we have received) to the Southold Town Board of. Trustees stating no objection to the proposed application. to the G.B.E.O.H.O.A. which will not take any legal action. Four, if application is approved the Association will enter into an' agreement with the Sambach' s that if the ,property is ever sold the new owner has the yearly right of first refusal to dock one. boat on one side of the float. Five, if the Town Board of Trustees does .not approve application of a six boat float all of..- the previsions of the above paragraphs apply. Both Mr. & Mrs. Sambach have . agreed to the above resolution. Yours very truly, Secretary of the Homeowners Association... Any comment? TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL: Motion to close the hearing. TRUSTER GARRELL: Second. ALL AYES. TRUSTEE-HOLZAPFEL: Motion to approve the application. TRUSTEE GARRELL: Second. AYES: Holzapfel, Garrell, Wenczel. NAY: Krup"ski., V. ASSESSMENTS: 1. Land Use 'Co. on behalf of CARLO DE. GAUDENZI to install a 10' X 30' "Geoweb" boat ramp. Boat ramp will be planted with Spartina Alterniflora �and Spartina. Patens after installation. Located 3520 Ole Jule Lane, Mattituck. SCTM. , #122-4-p/o 26. Trustee Krupski read letter describing additional planting and Board reviewed plans. Board needs to see an overview of the project. A motion was made by TRUSTEE KRUPSKI and seconded by TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL to grant a Negative Declaration. ALL AYES. 2. Proper-T Permit Services on behalf of RONALD STRITZLER to construct retaining wall 4101 long,typically 6' above grade, with returns at each end. Length of returns estimated from survey. to be 1.2' at west end. and 22' at east end. Actual Board of Trustees 17 June 30, 1994: lengths to be determined during construction by intersection of top of retaining wall with face of bluff. Smooth face of bluff, in accordance with recommendations of Suffolk County Soil & Water Conservation District, to permit re-vegetation and minimize further erosion from run-off., use material resulting from smoothing as backfill retaining wall. Located 3055 Sound Ave. , Mattituck. _ #94-1-1.4. TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL: I make a motion that we do a positive declaration. TRUSTEE WENCZEL: Second. ALL AYES. After a discussion with Tom Samuels and James Fitzgerald, a motion was made by TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL and seconded by TRUSTEE. CARRELL to rescind the positive declaration. Mr. Samuels will provide the Board with impact statements from projects from the Southside. The Boar& will review this before the next meeting with regard to this application and Louis Corso application. 3 . J.M.O. Consulting on behalf of ROBERT SEARLE to 'construct. single family dwelling, second story decking, sanitary system, gravel driveway, regrade and remove from site approx. 900 c.y. of material in order. to excavate for foundation and driveway, home heating oil tank to be located in basement (sealed). and tank shall meet or exceed all requirements of the SCDH. Install and maintain a continuous line of staked hay bales on top of erosion control bank. Located Private Road, Fishers. Island. SCTM #7-2-8. A motion was made- by TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL and seconded by TRUSTEE GARRELL to grant a negative declaration. ALL AYES. 4. EN-Consultants Inc. , on behalf of NEW SUFFOLK SHIPYARD to. demolish an existing boat storage and replace with a smaller metal building. New structure will be further from water than existing building (56 ' vs. 33' ) and will have. drywells which present structure does not have. Remainder of area of old building will be covered with bluestone to match existing yard. Area shown on survey as "covered shed' with "X: will be used for installation of outdoor boat storage racks. Located New Suffolk Road, New Suffolk. SCTM #117-5-29.,1 A motion was made by TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL and seconded by TRUSTEE WENCZEL to grant a negative declaration. ALL AYES. 5. J.M.O. Consulting on behalf of ALICE MIGNEREY to reconstruct within 18" approx. 80' of timber bulkhead and. to backfill structure with approx. 20 c.y. of clean sand which shall be trucked in from an upland source, and disturbed areas be replanted with Rosa Rugosa 181' 'on center. Located 1480 Paradise. Point Road, Southold. SCTM #81-3-21. A motion was made by TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL and seconded by TRUSTEE GARRELL to grant a negative declaration. ALL AYES. 6. Costello Marine Contr. on behalf of LOUIS BACON to reconstruct existing deteriorated 12' X 285' fixed timber dock, reconstruct offshore 6' X 64' "L" section with the installation of a wave curtain to protect docked vessels from north northeast _Board of Trustees 18 June 30, 1994 and northwest winds, reconstruct offshore 32' X 32' filled dock, replace two 6 ' X 24' floats and add three additional 6 ' X 24' floats with associated mooring pilings,, and install four 7 pile dolphins to safely berth ferry boat and/or supply barge. Located Robins Island. SCTM #134-3-5. A motion was made by TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL and seconded by TRUSTEE WENCZEL to grant a negative declaration. ALL AYES. 7. J.M.O. Consulting on behalf of THOMAS W. RUSSELL, JR. , to reconstruct and upgrade an existing rock revetment by installing a 65' X 18' rock slope. 2 to 4 ton boulder shall be utilized ( 4"-6" tailings) and a 1 1/2 to 1 slope will be created. Disturbed areas will be filled with loam and seeded. Located Fox Ave. , Fishers Island. SCTM #6-1-2. A motion was made by TRUSTEE WENCZEL and seconded by TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL to grant a negative declaration.. ALL AYES. 8.. En-Consultants. on behalf of LOUIS CORSO requests a permit to construct a 460 l.f. of armored timber retaining wall as noted on agenda. Board tabled this assessment along with the Striztler application in order for the Board to review impact statements that Tom Samuels will lend the Board. VI. RESOLUTIONS: Board to set Public Hearing for the. July 28, 1994 regular meeting for those applications. that have received a negative declaration and the following applications that_ are type II actions: a. Jay Dempsey on behalf of WALTER GREEN request permit to construct a 55' long catwalk, ramp and float to accommodate dockage of private boat. Proposed construction is similar in design and size to other docks in area. Located Pine Neck Road,- Southold. SCTM #70-6-20. Page 7, #7. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: En-Consultants on behalf of NEIL MCGOLDRICK to Grandfather 467 ' of bulkheads, 70' of jetty and amend G.F. permit to add a 14' X 14' float and a 3 ' X 20' ramp. Located Private Road, Off New Suffolk Ave. , Mattituck. After a discussion a motion was made by TRUSTEE KRUPSKI and seconded by TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL to grant a Grandfather permit for 467' of bulkheads and 70' of jetty. ALL AYES. A motion was made by TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL and seconded by TRUSTEE WENCZEL to deny the amendment and request a full application for the float and ramp. ALL AYES. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: #8 J.M.O. Consulting on behalf of ROBERT PATTERSON to construct guest rooms, terrace, walk, deck, platforms and to install additional drywell in existing sanitary system, all construction activity shall take place on what is now lawn area. All construction activity shall take place a minimum of 55' from freshwater wetlands. A continuous I -Board of Trustees 19 June 30, 1994 line of staked hay bales shall be installed prior to and maintained during all phases of -construction activities and an area of "no disturbance: Shall be maintained. All activity as per plans prepared by Chandler, Palmer, & King last dated February 16, 1994. Located Crescent Ave. , Fishers Island. SCTM #6-1-10 A motion was made by TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL and Seconded. by TRUSTEE KRUPSKI' to approve this application. ALL AYES. Page. 2 #5 TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: J.M.O. Consulting on behalf .of KIM K. CAMPBELL. requests anamendment to Permit #4.286 to allow applicant to construct garage,. pool, decking, pool backwash filter and regrade garage and pool area. Located East Harbor, Fishers Island. A motion was made by TRUSTEE GARRELL and seconded by TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL to grant amendment with drywells and gutters on garage. ALL AYES. Page 3 #12 TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Jame's Thompson on behalf of LOUIS BACON requests a waiver to install a temporary Geo Web gid section launching ramp 20' X 70' at the end of First Street, New Suffolk. SCTM #117-8-20. A motion was made by 'TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL and seconded by TRUSTEE G'ARRELL to approve waiver. ALL AYES. Page 7, #3 TRUSTEE KRUPSKI:. James A. . Thompson on behalf of LOUIS M. BACON requests a Grandfather permit to replace an existing 880 l.f. 6 ' high chain link fence with new 6' high vinyl coated chain link. fence. Request waiver- to install approx. 80 l'..f. 6' high chain link fence at mid section of parcel 2 and 13 6X6 CCA treated posts 4' high, (above finish grade) along southern boundary of parcel. Request an amendment to move fence on western boundary 3 ' towards interior of lot to allow for landscaping. Located First Street and Jackson Street, New Suffolk. SCTM #117-8-20. A. motion .was made by TRUSTEE KRUPSKI and seconded by TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL to grant a Grandfather permit f:or the fence. ALL AYES. A motion was made by TRUSTEE KRUPSKI and seconded by TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL. to grant an: amendment to move the fence 3' east and put planting in front of fence. ALL AYES. A motion was made by TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL and seconded by TRUSTEE WENCZEL to grant. a waiver to install 80 l.f. 6' high fence at mid section. - ALL AYES. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Costello. Marine Contracting on behalf of ELLEN LANG requests a' Grandfather permit to replace inkind/inplace. 3' X 27' catwalk and a 6' X 28' timber dock, approx. 100' bulkheadlwhich will connect to existing backing system. Backfill voi& areas behind bulkhead with clean sand approx. 15 c.y. Reinforce northerly section of bulkhead. with Board of Trustees 2.0 June 30, 1994 two pilings. Located: 3055 Wells Ave. ; off Oaklawn Ave. , Southold SCTM #70-4-11. A motion was made by TRUSTEE WENCZEL and seconded by TRUSTEE HOLZPAFEL to approve 'subject that the dimensions of bulkhead and dock are included, on survey and a 101 non-turf area behind bulkhead. ALL AYES'. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: #6 Costello Marine on behalf of FRANK CADEDDU requests a Grandfather permit to resheath outside below stringer approx',. 70' of bulkhead and resheath 25' X 15' of ramp area, replace two broken face pilings, back fill behind bulkhead with approx. 15 c.y. of clean fill. Located. 1380 Wiggins Lane, East Marion. SCTM #35-5-23. A motion was made by TRUSTEE GARRELL and seconded by TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL approve grandfather. ALL AYES. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: #4 WILLIA14 TUITE requests a Grandfather permit for 1001 ' of bulkhead and approx. 1101 jetty in order to .repair sections inkind/inplace. Located 580 Midway Road, Southold. Cedar Beach park.. SCTM. #90-2-6 A motion .was. made by TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL and seconded by.. TRUSTEE GARRELL to approve Grandfather subject to a 1.01 non-turf area. ALL AYES. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: ' #5 NANCY GILLIES requests a Grandfather permit to reconstruct' stairs (59' X 361 ) as per survey. Located 3925 Nassau Point Road, 'Cutchogue. A motion was made by TRUSTEE KRUPSKI and seconded by TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL to approve Grandfather permit. ALL AYES. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: #9 SOUTHOLD PARK DISTRICT requests permit to clear property on the- east side of the wharf house, Founder's Landing, Terry Lane of` over grown weeds, small trees and beach grass with heavy machinery. SCTM #65-1-19.1.. After discussion a motion was made TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL and seconded by TRUSTEE GARRELL to table this application for further review and inspection. ALL AYES. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: #10 Jim .McMahon on behalf of Southold Town to: a. to remove the asphalt boat ramp, located on Sandy Beach Road, Greenport, and replace the asphalt ramp with a concrete boat ramp. A motion was .made by TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL and seconded by TRUSTEE WENCZEL to approve request. ALL AYES. b. to replace 400' of concrete sidewalks and replace 400' of chain link fence along Route 25, Greenport. This project will take place behind a concrete- retaining wall, in an area adjoining a NYSDEC Freshwater Wetland. SCTM. #34-1-10. A motion was .made by TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL and seconded by TRUSTEE WENCZEL to approve request. ALL AYES. VII. MOORINGS: .- Board of Trustees 21 June 30, 1994 1. John Homans requests a mooring in Richmond Creek for an 18' outboard with a mushroom. Access: Public boat ramp 2.. Aaron Avent requests a mooring in Wickham Creek for a Duck Blind. 3. Edward Caven requests to re-apply for a mooring in Broadwaters Cove for a 23 ' outboard-sail boat with ,a 1001b mushroom. Access: Mason Drive. 4. Doris Aiello requests a mo.oring .in James Creek for a 13' outboard with 75 .1b. mushroom. Access: Public. 5. John Bopp, Jr. requests a mooring in Cedar. .Beach Creek for a 201 outboard with a 1001b mushroom. Access: Land owner. A motion was made by TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL and. seconded by TRUSTEE KRUPSKI to approve the. above mentioned application. subject to the approval of' the Bay Constable. ALL AYES. Page 2, #2 ROBERT BANNON (formally Chester Albertson) requests an amendment. to Permit #4283 to add. 2 piles next to his. dock as shown on. drawing. Located Wells Ave. , off Oaklawn, Southold. SCTM #70-4-2. A motion was made by TRUSTEE WENCZEL and seconded by TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL to approve the amendment. ALL AYES... 3 . J.M.O. Consulting on behalf of WILLIAM EDGETT requests an amendment to Permit #4161 to •reduce the size of the catwalk to 4' X 16' instead of the approved 4' X 401 . Dock is already built. Located 200. Deep Hole Drive, Mattituck. SCTM #115-12-3. A motion was made by the TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL. and' seconded by TRUSTEE GARRELL to approve amendment s.ubjec.t to correct drawing showing :'L" configured dock. ALL AYES. 4. JOHN BOPP requests an amendment to the Permit #3795 to modify the height of the dock and catwalk to 3 1/2.' above ground .level. The 4-.6" locust stakes will be replaced. with 6" pressure treated poles. An additional 6' X 16' floating dock 12' away from current dock will be held by 2 6-8" pressure treated poles, and a.. 3 ' wide ramp connecting the floating dock. Located 115 Maple Ave. , Mattituck.�, SCTM #88-3-11.5-. A motion was made by TRUSTEE WENCZEL and seconded by TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL to approve amendment. ALL AYES. 7. BILL MATASSONI requests a waiver to construct a 10' in diameter and approx. 115' high gazebo instead of the previously approved two car, garage and apartment. Located Village Lane, Orient. SCTM #24-2-24.' A motion. was made by TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL and seconded by TRUSTEE KRUPSKI to approve waiver. ALL AYES. Board of Trustees 22 June 30, 1994 8. MAURLCE JEZO requests a waiver to construct two split . rail fences along the northern and _southern property lines as indicated ont he attached. map. Owner has problem with people dumping and wants to clean property up. This Vacant piece of land .is located on Maple Lane, East Maridn. SCTM #35-5-25. - A motion was made by TRUSTEE GARRELL and seconded by TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL to table this request in order to check for permits on existing docks. ALL AYES. 9. MARA SLATKIN request a waiver to construct a. fence, first section beginning .at {the . cement monument marked "A" on the attached survey, extending northward 19.50 feet and ending at a locust post marked "l" . on the attached survey. The second. section. beginning ,69.78 feet northward of the. monument "A" at. a locust post marked "2,", then extending northward for 52.50 feet and ending 3 .50 feet south of cement monument "B" at locust post 13" on the survey. The third section beginning 1.50 feet north of cement monument "B!' at locust post "4" and extending north for 9 feet and ending� at locust post 115" . Located long Creek Drive, Southold. SCTMI #52-8-3. A motion was made by TRUSTEE KRUPSKI and seconded by TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL to approve waiver. ALL AYES. 10. JOHN NEVILLE requests a waiver to construct a gazebo as shown on survey'. Located 2380 Hobart Ave. , Southold. SCTM #64-3-6._; A motion was made by TRUSTEE WENCZEL and seconded by TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL to approve waiver.. ALL AYES. 1.1. Roy Stakey on behalf of CLIFF POLACEK. request a waiver to extend his, deck 61fX 6' as per drawing. Located Dee Drive, Mattituck. SCTM #ll4-i0-1. ' A motion was made by TRUSTEE GARRELL and seconded by TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL to table this request as. Trustee .Garrell feels this was already built and� wants to check Building Department permits. ALL AYES. 1.3. DAVID & CLARE AIR requests a waiver to construct a 4' high wooden picket fence along the southern property line of his property. Located Village Lane, Orient. SCTM #24-1-27. A motion was _made by TRUSTEE WENCZEL and seconded by TRUSTEE. HOLZAPFEL to approve waiver. ALL AYES. 1.4. ANN BERRYMAN request waiver to construct 60' ffence on west property. lihe down to rocks as per survey dated June 3, 1994.. Located Youngs Ave.-, Orient. SCTM #18-2-1. A motion was made by TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL and seconded by TRUSTEE GARRELL to table. thislapplication as the ,prQ a is not. clear on the survey. I ALL AYES• + x�ECEIVED AND FILED BY THE SOUTHOLD TOWN CLERK MEETING ADJOURNED 11:45 P.M. DATE S�J?� HOUR R spectfully Submitted, 11 Doherty, rk Town. Clerk, Town of Southold oard dof Trustees 1 APPEALS BOARD ME SCOTT L.HARRIS Supervisor Gerard P.Goehringer, Chairman Serge Doyen,Jr. O�: -ate Town Hall, 53095 Main Road PO.Box 1179 James rt A. illy ''f�� ���� Southold,New York 11971 Richard C.Wilton Fax (516)765-1823 Telephone (516)765-1809 Telephone(516) 765-1800 BOARD OF APPEALS TOWN OF SOUTHOLD D May 12, 1993 Carmella Borelli, Esq. OF SOFT Ongioni & Borelli OLD 218 Front Street Greenport, NY 11944-0562 Re: Gardiners Bay Estates Home Owner Association, Inc. Appl. No. 4156 - Appeal for Interpretation Dear Ms. Borrelli: Please find ,enclosed a copy of the Board's Action. in the above matter rendered at our May 11, 1993 Meeting with Findings and Determination. Very truly yours, Linda Kowalski • Copies of Decision to: Building Department Southold Town Trustees ✓ Mr. Lawrence Matzen Mr. Warren Sambach, Jr. APPEALS BOARD MEMBERS - " . SCOTT L.HAR.RIS ' Supervisor Gerard P.Goehringer, Chairman Serge Doyen,Jr. `{ •j 1' Town Hall, 53095 Main Road James Dinizio,Jr. P.O. Box 1179 Robert A.Villa Owl Southold, New York 11971 Richard C.Wilton =A � L Fax (516)765-1823 Telephone (516) 765-1809 BOARD OF APPEALSTelephone (516) 765-1800 TOWN OF SO=OLD DELIBERATIONS/DECISION: Appl. .No. 4156 : Upon Application of GARDINERS BAY ESTATES CLUB, INC. (record owner as per Deed at Liber 7671 page 415) - by Lawrence Matzen, Chairman of the Marine Committee in behalf of .the GARDINERS BAY ESTATES HOME OWNER ASSOCIATION, INC. This is an Appeal based upon the February 10, 1993 Notice of Disapproval issued by the Building Inspector requesting an Interpretation of Article III, Section 100-31C(.3 ) of the Zoning Code which provides for ". . .docking or mooring facilities for no more than two (2) boats other than those owned and used by the owner of the premises for his personal use. " Applicant is proposing to construct new dock areas with-. multiple boat facilities at the community beach of Gardiners, Bay Estates. Location of Property: Part of Private Road known as Dogwood Lane situated along "Spring Pond," an estuary of- Orient Harbor; also shown on', the Map of Gardiners Bay Estates, Section 2, 'filed in the Suffolk County Clerk's Office as Map No. 275, East Marion, NY; County. Tax Map ID Nos. 1000-37-1-part of 23 (private road) , and part of 17 (underwater land) . (Extensive testimony was received: and the .hearing then concluded, pending deliberations at a later time. ). WHEREAS, Application #4156 is made under the Zoning Ordinance of the Town of Southold, Chapter 100, for an interpretation 'of Article -III, Section 100-31C( 3-a) pertainingt,. to accessory uses in the residential *zone districts; .WHEREAS, said application makes specific reference to property owned by the Gardiners Bay Estates Club, Inc. , now known as the Gardiners �Bay Estates Homeowners Association, Inc. , which property is underwater land shown as "Spring Pond" , identified on the Suffolk County Tax Maps as District 1000, Section 37, Block 1, Lot 17, containing. 6.8+- acres in total area. Waterfront accessibility is shown in this application to be - at the end of Dogwood Lane, although other deadend streets are shown to exist (from the end of Beach Court and Old Orchard Lane, to the waterway of Spring Pond; WHEREAS, members of the- Board viewed the property and are . familiar with the current .zoning designation of "Low=Density .. -R-40 Residential" and the character of this property which is Jf rage 2 - Appl. No. 4156 Matter - of Gardiners Bay' Estates Association, Inc. Decision Rendered May /( 1993 underwater land shown on maps for a preexisting subdivision * known as Gardiners Bay Estates, Sections I and II; WHEREAS, after due notice, public hearings were held by the Board of Appeals on February 23 ; 1993 and April 22, 1993 , and all statements and materials submitted have been made a part of the permanent record; WHEREAS, at said hearings all those who desired to be heard were heard and their testimony recorded; and WHEREAS, the record and all testimony have been carefully considered, and the following pertinent facts_ noted: 1. LOT DESCRIPTION: The subject premises comprises an area of 6. 8+- acres of underwater land referred to as "Spring Pond" at East Marion, Town of Southold, Suffolk County., 2. ACCESS TO UNDERWATER PARCEL: Accessibility to this underwater land is shown on the maps submitted under this application to be at the end of Dogwood Lane, although other deadend streets are shown to exist at the end of Beach Court and also at the end of Old Orchard Lane, to Spring Pond. 3 . PREEXISTING SUBDIVISION: The property in question is shown on the Subdivision Maps of Sections I .and II, Gardiners Bay Estates at East Marion, filed in the Suffolk County Clerk' s Office on September. 23 , 1927. Sections I 'and II 'preexist the enactment of zoning (1957) . Approximately 40 years later, Section Three was filed, and approved on February 27, 1968 by the Southold Town Planning Board for the creation of interior lots #173 through #188. 4. WATERFRONT LOTS/INTERIOR LOTS: It is noted that 51 lots border directly on the waterway of Spring Pond; the remaining 50 lots in Sections I and II are interior lots. Lot No. 16 is shown on the filed map of -Section II as "Beach for use of lot owners. " Also, the Section III Subdivision Map shows 16 additional "interior lots" as approved in 1968. The total number of lots shown on the. Maps of Sections I, II and III is 122 (combined waterfront and interior lots) . 5. NEW YORK TOWN LAW - TIME FOR APPEAL FROM DECISION OF ENFORCEMENT OFFICER. Effective Ju1y 1 - 1992, Town Law was amended (codified) by adding a new Section 267-a. One of the amendments included the; filing within 60 days of an appeal based upon the decision, order, requirement, interpretation of the Building Inspector. The action of the-Building Inspector upon which this interpretation is requested is dated February 10, 1993, and the. appeal was filed with the Clerk on February 11, ' 1993. �- Page 3 - Appl. No. 4156 Matter of Gardiners Bay Estates Association, Inc. Decision Rendered May /% , 1993 6. BASIS OF APPEAL: The action taken by the Building Inspector, upon which this appeal for an interpretation is made is dated February 10, 1993, and reads as follows: " . .PLEASE TAKE NOTICE that your application dated February 10, ,1993 for permit to construct dock with multiple boat facilities at Dogwood Lane, East Marion . . . is returned herewith and disapproved on the following grounds: Article III Section 100-31C3, Property Zoned A and owned by Subdivision Assoc. Action -required by Zoning Board of Appeals to address proposed use not allowed in Agricultural Zone i.e. more than. two boats not owned by property owner. . . ." 7. USE VARIANCE: It is noted that no record has 'been found that makes reference to. other relief; and to date,' an application for a use variance has not filed. been 8. OTHER AGENCIES: It is noted that this project is also contingent upon compliance. with other agency permits and/or finalizing reviews under other applicable statutes now pending, or previously issued including but not limited to the: ' a) N.Y.S. Department of Environmental Conservation; b) Department of the Army; c) Town -.Trustees of the Town of Southold; d) Planning. Board of. 'the Town of Southold, as may be appropriate. 9. OWNER-CORPORATION: The record owner- as shown on the deed recorded at Liber 7671 page 415 was conveyed on July 7, 1974 by Gardiners Bay Co. , Inc. to Gardiners Bay Estates Club, Inc. , under the laws of the State of New York. A copy of an Amended Certificate of', Incorporation changing the name of the corporation to ,Gardiner I s Bay Estates. Home Owner Associa- tion, Inc. (GBEHOA) has been submitted as part. of the record. GBEHOA is a Not-For-Profit Corporation organized under Section 803. This Not-For-Profit Corporation is a''membership organization which requires ownership of property in speciic areas of East Marion, presently at Gardiners Bay, before becoming-eligible and accepted as a member of the corporation. :Page 4 - App1 No. 4156 Matter of Gardiners Bay Estates Association, Inc. Decision Rendered May 11 1993 TOWN CODE DEFINITIONS 10. PERSON OR ASSOCIATION DEFINED: Section 100-13 of the Zoning Code categorizes association under the definition of "person, " as follows: . . .PERSON: Any association, partnership, corporation; cooperative group, trust or other entity, as well as an individual. . , . '11. OWNER OF LAND DEFINED: Section 100-13 of the Zoning Code defines owner as a `" . .person having vested or contingent interest in the property in question" including a duly authorized agent, " attorney, purchaser, devisee, and fiduciary having vested or contingent interest in the property in question. Real property law provides for ownership as being held individually, jointly, in common, or in corporate or partnership form. This parcel is in corporate ownership form, not individually, not jointly, and not in common ownership. The corporation is the owner. The membership -is not the owner. The membership is a union forming the shareholders of the corpora- tion. 12. RECORD OWNERSHIP TO PROPERTY -IN QUESTION: The ownership to the underwater land which is the subject of this application is in the name of an association-corporation referred to as the ."Gardiners Bay Estates Home Owner Association, Inc. " A 'corporation is defined as a "person" under the Southold Town Code. The code clearly does not provide for separate individual, stockholders ar members of a corporation to be multiple :owners .Of the land. Stockholders of a corporation are defined in Black' s Law Dictionary as holders of;,, shares of stock, sharing proportionately in its net profits or earnings or in the right to distribute assets -on dissolution. Stockholders also share rights to participate in the general management of the company. Stockholders may be one or more persons or sub-corporations. A corporation may exist with an unlimited number of shareholders, with more than one corporation, or with no shareholders. . Ownership of land is not defined as members of a- corporation, nor is an owner defined as the number of members in -a corporation. Ownership of land is clearly defined as a person, a corporation, a partnership, a trust, or- .an entity as a single unit. 13 . INTENT OF ACCESSORY USE AT 100-31C: It is well-known to Board Members that the intent of Section 100-31C .is' and always has been to allow an extension of use to a particular piece of property, accessory and incidental to the residence on the lot, for the docking of his own boat, and provided- further that title to the boat'Is in the .same name as the- owner of the Page 5 - Appl. No. *156 Matter of Gardiners Bay Estates Association, Inc. Decision Rendered May �% , 1993 property. In addition, accessory, uses would be permitted to have up to two boats other than those of the owner of the residential parcel. The Zoning Code does not provide for an extension of use for interior lots (without direct frontage on a waterway) in residential subdivisions for multiple docking facilities. The , Zoning Code also does not provide for cases where the owner of the 'boat is not the same as the owner of the land at the docking facility and waterfront property. Interpretations are limited to clarifying and interpreting the code, not legislating new definitions or new zoning laws. 14. TITLE OF BOAT OWNERSHIP. No information has been furnished by the applicant to show ownership of the boats intended for docking or mooring by the applicant-owner (GBEHOA) . ACCORDINGLY, on motion by Chairman .Goehringer, seconded by Member Wilton, it was RESOLVED, that Section 100-31C(3-a) of the Zoning Code is hereby clarified for the purposes of interpretation as follows: 1) For the purpose of Section 100-31C( 3-a) , an owner of a parcel of land shall be an individual, a partnership, corporation, cooperative, or other entity, or a combination of the above, as a single unit; 2) That for the docking, mooring or accommodation of noncommercial boats, only those boats owned and used by the resident-owner of the land immediately adjacent To 'the land which the docking or mooring is. to be located, may be allowed as an accessory for hisown personal use, provided the waterfront lot is held in single and separate ownership and is IMPROVED WITH A PRINCIPAL ONE-FAMILY DWELLING OR OTHER PERMITTED i PRINCIPAL USE AS PROVIDED in Section 100-31 and Section 100-30A.2 applicable to the R-40, R-801? R=200 and A/C Zones to. which this docking must be accessory to. Additionally, up to two other boats may be docked or moored which are not in title to the same landowner; 3 ) All docks and moorings are subject to reviews by the Southold Town Trustees 'in accordance with the rules and regulations of the Southold Town Code. Vote of the Board: Ayes: Messrs. Goehringer, Dinizio and Wilton. (Absent were: Member Doyen of Fishers Island and Member Villa. ) This resolution was duly adopted. lk J jGERARD P. GOEHRINGER, CHA