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�'Albert J.Krupski, President �;�� �, 53095 Main Road
James King,Vice-President f P.O.Box 1179
Henry Smith 9 C.0 s :? Southold,New York 11971
Artie Foster a,
Ken Poliwoda 3� � �� Telephone(516) 765-1882
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BOARD OF TOWN TRUSTEES
TOWN OF SOUTHOLD
MINUTES
DECEMBER 17, 1997
CALL MEETING TO ORDER
PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE
NEXT FIELD INSPECTION: Wednesday, January 21, 1998 at 12 noon
TRUSTEE WENCZEL approved, TRUSTEE GARRELL seconded. ALL AYES
NEXT TRUSTEE MEETING: Wednesday January 28, 1998 at 7: 00 p.m.
WORKSESSION: 6: 00 p.m.
TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL: approved, TRUSTEE WENCZEL: : seconded. ALL AYES
APPROVE MINUTES: Approve minutes of October 29., 1997,
TRUSTEE KING: approved subject to the correction on page 3,
TRUSTEE WENCZEL: Seconded. ALL AYES
I. MONTHLY REPORT: The Trustee monthly report for November
1997: A check for $5,567. 47 was forwarded to the Supervisor' s.
Office for the General Fund.
II. AMENDMENTS/WAIVERS/CHANGES
1. Costello Marine on behalf of ests an
Amendment to Permit #3 5 9 to change ... dock
configuration to an "L" configuration using existing 6 ' X 16'
float and 1 new 6 ' X 16' float secured with 3- 2 pile dolphins.
Located: 60 Harbor Lights Drive, Southold. SCTM #71-2-11.3
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI moved to table the application due to
reinspection in December, TRUSTEE KING seconded. ALL AYES
2. Larry Tuthill on behalf of CJJ11J11§J11Ji11= requests
an Amendment to Permit= #4669 to ___- -y-_zai .__ _ystem with
2" spacing. Located: off Maple Lane, Orient Harbor. SCTM #38-1-1. .
TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL: I ' ll make a motion to recess the application
until we do further inspection.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI moved to table the Amendment, TRUSTEE WENCZEL.
seconded. ALL AYES
3 . J.M.O. Consulting on behalf of JR
requests a Waiver to construct a one ory�addition in same
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footprint of recently demolished section of dwelling and
construct a porch within the same footprint of existing porch.
Located: "The Anchorage" , Equestrian Ave. , Fishers Island. SCTM
#9-3-13. 2
TRUSTEE KING made a motion to approve the application, TRUSTEE
HOLZAPFEL seconded. ALL AYES
4. DAVID RIVERS on behalf of quests an Amendment
to Permit 44548 to replace an existing piling, and add two
standoff piles. Located: off "The Gloaming", Fishers Island.
SCTM #10-9-15.4
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI moved to recess due to reinspection in December,
TRUSTEE KING seconded. ALL AYES
5 . t a Waiver for bushes planted as
pe_ _an_scapP_ y_____ __ _____ Located: 2300 Hobart Road,
Southold. SCTM *64-3-5. _
TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL made a motion to approve the waiver, TRUSTEE
KING seconded. ALL AYES.
6. equests a Waiver to replace an existing 6 '
X 8 with a ne ' X 10' shed. Located: 2380 Hobart Road,
Southold. SCTM #64-3-6.
TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL made a motion to approve the waiver to replace
an existing 6 ' X 8 ' shed with a 8 ' X 10' and recommend that
gasoline pesticides, herbicides and other environmentally
hazardous materials be place in shed, TRUSTEE .WENCZEL seconded.
TRUSTEE KING: Nay
TRUSTEE GARRELL: Aye.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Nay
7 . 411211111111111Iehalf of sts a
Wai er to add a new second f loor—Tan-Rd a garage to !R%xisting
house. Located: 2504 Westphalia Road, ,Mattituck. SCTM
#114-7-10.2
TRUSTEE KING made a motion to approve the application, TRUSTEE
WENCZEL seconded. ALL AYES
8 jillilglIRVIMMINIMpsts a Waiver to cut and clear
prop@TT7—df old oak trees and replace them with other shrubs and
trees. Located: 720 North Oakwood Road, Mattituck. .SCTM
#127-8-5
TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL made a motion approve the waiver to cut and
clear property of all oak trees and replace them with other
shrubs and trees and that haybales be placed in the interim,
TRUSTEE KING seconded., ALL AYES.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Abstained
TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL moved to go off the regular meeting, TRUSTEE
WENCZEL seconded. ALL AYES
III, PUBLIC NOTICES: Public Notices are posted on the Town
Clerk' s Bulletin 'Board for review.
Board of Trustees 3 D amber 17, 1997 Syr
IV. HEARINGS:
THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING IN THE MATTER OF THE FOLLOWING
APPLICATIONS FOR PERMITS UNDER THE WETLANDS ORDINANCE OF THE
TOWN OF SOUTHOLD. I HAVE AN AFFIDAVIT OF PUBLICATION FROM THE
SUFFOLK TIMES. PERTINENT CORRESPONDENCE MAY BE READ PRIOR TO
ASKING FOR COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC.
PLEASE KEEP YOUR COMMENTS ORGANIZED AND BRIEF:
FIVE ( 5) MINUTES OR LESS, IF POSSIBLE
1. En-Consultants Inc. , on behalf of - s
contract vendees, request a Wetland Permit to construc a e
family dwelling, driveway, sanitary system, underground
utilities, remove existing damaged fixed dock, erect a new
timber dock consisting of a 4 ' X 14 ' fixed dock, (elev. min.
of 3 1/2 ' above marsh) a 3 ' X 14' ramp and a 6 ' X 20 ' float with
2- 8" pilings. Located: 135 Hill Road, (Youngs Road west) ,
Southold. SCTM #70-4-32
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Would anyone like to comment in favor of the
application?
ROB HERRMANN: I 'm here on behalf of a ,
of course continuation of the publicsRuff=g we had last mo-th.
The drawings were revised after some conversation with the
neighbors down there (cannot understand what is being said) as
well. There are actually several corrections to the description
that was just read so I want to make sure that the record is
correct, in terms of the drawings that we resubmitted. It should
read a 4' X 14' fixed ramp which would read 10 ' X 17' catwalk to
be in elevation of a minimum 3 1/2' above grade over marsh, 4 ' X
14' ramp and a 6 ' X 20' float to be secured by 2 8" diameter
pilings. After I resubmitted the revised drawing and yet there
was another revision of a minor scope which involved only the;
shifting of the dock and the entire structure itself a_ few feet
to the west, this was in response to so some .correspondence
received from the Corp. of Engineers there were some concerns at
their Inter- Agency Meeting the wanted the dock reconstructed
over the exact same location where that old dilapidated dock is
going to be removed in order to further minimized any
disturbance to the marsh so that also there' s no problem and so
we improvised the drawings in accordance with those .
recommendations and then forwarded those to the board.
TRUSTEE WENCZEL: It was the Army Corp that made them?
ROB HERRMANN: It wasn' t actually the Corp of Engineers. I
think it was Fisherman' s Wild Life.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Is there anyone else who would like to comment
on the application?
TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL: Did the neighbors see that?
ROB HERRMANN: I forwarded not the final the scope of the this
final revision is the same as . . . . . . . .but when the revision was
made it reduced the scope of the dock I mailed it out to DAVE .
DEVLIN, he sent me a letter back, he confirmed it showed
amongst the community, then I spoke to him briefly by phone and
he thought it was basically (to much noise) . TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: No
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other co
mment? Board comment. Do I have a motion to close the
hearing?
TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL: So move.
TRUSTEE WENCZEL: Seconded.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: All in favor? ALL AYES application
lication
TRUSTEE HOLZppFEL: I' ll make a motion to approve
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of PHILIP & CHERYL MARINO as described in the newest plan u
received December 8th•
TRUSTEE KING: Second.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: All in favor? ALL AYES
2. En-Consultants Inc. , on behalf of
equests a law
+ - 1.f . of existing
of
Wetland Permit to replacandlreplacethin 11inkind/inplace 12+/-'
timber bulkhead, remove F
southerly return and approx. 9sand21 Located:e680a Private fRoad
with approx. 15 c.y. of clean
#17 , Southold. SCTM #81-3-27 .2
T here who would like to speak in
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI : Is there anyone
favor of the application? only
ROB HER.RMANN: En-Consultants deck is to removed and replaced
nnbehalf
comment would be that th
because .of the replacement of the bulkhead.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Any other comments. Do I have a motion to close
the hearing?
TRUSTEE WENCZEL: I'.11 makes motion
nAto close the hearing.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI . All in favor?
TRUSTEE WENCZEL: I' ll make a motion to approve the permit for
DORIS DAVIS' for a wetland permit to replace with 18" 512 / 1'of
of the existing timber bulkhead remove
21� inkinddwood ecklace backfill
southerly return approximately 9
approximately 15 c.y. of clean sand. .
TRUSTEE KING: Second.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: All in favor? ALL AYES
3 . En-Consultants Inc. , on behalf of concrete
xis inJ
requests a Wetland Permit to remove 98 ; eof timber
retaining wall are lace awithin118". 16+h of+existing concrete
retaining wall, p n of bungalow with 16+' of
as foundatio
retaining wall serving with batter piles and backfill
timber retaining wall Supported
with approx. 15 c.y of clean sand. Located: 3'405 Wickham Ave. ,
Mattituck. SCTM #107-9-11 speak in
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Is there anyone here who would like to
favor of the application?
En-Consultants: Represents MARGUERITE on thisSproject. Initially
briefly describe this apple
what' s there is a pretty old concrete see wall and overtimes
pretty extensive entitle marsh there is grown up just about up
length
getta timberk
it was the
to that wall throughout theJ , in front
wal
initial desire to try to go
of that whole thing except that o beingcaus e of e marshes
able todothat, so1whatgI
it doesn' t really run itself
proposed is to remove and replace
entire concrete structure witheriexcept,lfor the ol6'ton the
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northeast most corner in front of, the bungalow where it' s going
to be possible to do that. Luckily when I was side of the
elevation in that area kind of picks up a little bit so the
title grass is not even up to that spot so it' s actually kind of
an area there that' s more appropriate to build out to go out in
front. The boards comment would likely be the ideal situation
would be to tie off that gap also to the adjacent wall would be
unable to obtain permission from the adjacent owner to tie into
that wall even though it would 'be to their benefit, so that is
why the proposal stands at where it is.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Any other comment from the public or the board?
SPEAKER didn' t speak clearly in to the microphone. There was a
lot of papers being fumbled when this speaker was trying to
speak.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: One of the requirements -we have on a new
bulkhead is that there be a non-turf buffer placed behind it
because one of the problems with whole Wetland- System not on-ly
Mattituck but all of them is all the nutrient's going off of
peoples property into the Wetlands from their lawns so we always.
want a new bulkhead construction we require a non-turf buffer if
you want to plant, a lot of people just put gravel down, you
backfill to whatever level you want you just put down gravel.
SPEAKER: The owners of that property wouldn' t even discuss it.
That property has been for sale for some time, at the present
time there are renters living there but I know they still want
the sale. If in such time in the future that is sold and we, do
we have to go through the this whole procedure.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: No they would. This is on their property, so
they would have to go through the procedure, to tie in with your
structure.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI : Any other comments? Do I have a motion to close
the hearing?
TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL: So move.
TRUSTEE KING: Second.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: All in favor? ALL AYES
TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL: I would like to make a motion that we approve
the application of MARGUERITE RUSSELL to remove 98+/-' of
existing concrete retaining wall replace with inkind/inplace
with 9+/-' a timber retaining wall and replace within 18" 16+'
of existing concrete retaining wall serving as a foundation with
16' of timber retaining wall supportive with batter piles and
backfill with approximately 15 c.y. of clean sand, also there
will be 10 ' non-turf buffer along the entire length of the
retaining wall, and there is a 10' return on the west side.
TRUSTEE KING: Second.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: All in favor? ALL AYES
4. -NANCY . & JOSEPH..KARDWELL request a Wetland Permit for a 15 '
wide passage way to beach 250 ' long, with possible retaining
wall. Located: 1100 Back Lane & Munn Lane, Orient. SCTM
#17-2-15.4
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI : This hearing is recessed until next month.
Board of Trustees 6 `ember 17 1997
5 . WILLIAM PAPPAS requests '.a Wetland Permit for a split rail
fence around one property, l 7 ' X 10 ' deck, a 3 ' X 17 ' ramp, a
6 ' X 20 ' float, 7- 8" piles, a storage shed and 6" X 6"
walmanized ties to border driveway on waterfront property.
Located: 85 Beverly Road, Southold. SCTM #52-2-14 & 15
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI : Is there anyone here who would like to speak in
favor of the application?
MR. PAPPAS: As we said the last time I may make two more
comments, for your information the . . . . . . .dock and the ramp was
built 15 years ago, the split rail fence was installed
approximately 7 years ago when my children started have
grandchildren for me and that was the purpose for it. Presently
I have . 8 grandchildren and that was the only reason the place
was fenced. I was not aware a permit was needed. I feel I need
that, fence desperately to protect my grandchildren. There is a
drop there approximately 5 or 6 feet drop to the water from the
concrete bulkhead.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: In the October meeting we had a public hearing
and there was a question of who owns the ROW and who had rights
to use the ROW and what not. It was recommended to us by the
Town Attorney that the applicant provide proof of the easement
so that the application could proceed as he had.
MR. PAPPAS: (Not .speaking clearly into the microphone.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: I.s there anyone here who would like to comment
on this?
MR. PROVENTURE: I know that last time at the hearing in
October, our only objection was that MR. PAPPAS was illegally
blocking our access to areas that. we have had access for many .
years. He put up the fence, he ultimately took the fence away
. . . . . . which has run across every road. Accordingly to all the
papers that I have that are in my possession we have . . . . . . . .
and that was our objection, other than that you know it a
factorial thing the man had everything down, he had the dock
there without permission, he had everything without permission.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Mr. Pappas it seems that these people have
the right to use that road as a road.
MR. PAPPAS: No body is objecting to use the road Mr. Chairman
neither did I stop them, it's not my intention to stop them. The
only reason for putting the walmanized ties around the
driveway is to stop the gravel -from kicking all- over the place
and that is about it. They are using it now and they have been
using it and they can continue to use it.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: But can they still use it with the ties on the
driveway?
MR. PAPPAS: Of course, why not. The ties are about an inch
above the gravel. I
MR. PROVENTURE: (Speaking to low, could not hear him) .
MR. PAPPAS: Mr. Chairman, that would be a decision for the
court to decide, if they feel that I am stopping their access,
they can take me to court, that' s not my nature:
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Unfortunately you' re right, but you know
because we' re work for the town we feel responsible that you
know something like this couldn't be settled between neighbors
without having to go through the courts.
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MR. PROVENTURE: (Couldn' t understand him) . . .-.but MR. PAPPAS
was reluctantly to cooperate, expect to remove the split rail
fence.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI : That section is gone. The split rail fence. .
MR. PROVENTURE: (Could not hear what he was saying) .
MR. PAPPAS: Mr. Chairman, my intention was not to stop any one
from using the property, I wouldn't stop people from bring
trucks, because already the gate to my cesspool and they are
aware of that I made a statement last time and I would not like
to have anyone driving over with any trucks. As far as using the
property, it does not say anywhere on the easement that they
could not drive, that there is no need if they live there within
100 yds. so there is no need for a car or a truck to come there,
it' s a concrete bulkhead. There is no way to put a boat in
there, so there is not a ramp, but they feel my intention was to
stop them and it' s not and if they feel that way there's a court
of law they can take me to resolved that. I don' t believe a 6 ' X
6 ' of that is there now. Only about 1 inch above the gravel and
all the dirt can stop (cannot understand what he is , saying) .
MR. PROVENTURE: I have a very sensitive question, to ask MR.
PAPPAS. What purpose would 6 ' X 6' s serve? What can they serve?
MR. PAPPAS: I just said the purpose of concern, another reason
why I don' t like people driving there is because they are aware
of it. People come there is a beach across the street. Strangers
gone there. They can walk across, some of them drive across,
they stop to eat lunch, they stop there at night, they hang out,
I 'm not there to stop them, but I see the evidence when I am
there sometimes, and I don't want to see that anymore, but it
not to stop the neighbors. Explain that to them. I try to make
it as plain as possible, but again I repeat there is a court of
law that I can stop their access. If you think a 6' X 6' low
high tide a structure should be there by all means,I' ll remove
them. But the reason I have them there is to strictly to stop
the grass and to have it a little organized and neat looking and
that' s it.
MR. PROVENTURE: My question is still related to this matter
that we're discussing. Why in effect did he .plant grass where
the road should have been and was for many, many years? That' s
he' s responsibility putting the grass down and preserving the
grass. It' s not our problem. That road was there initially. He' s
the one that dug up the road and put the grass stuff., I don't
see. . . .all he' s doing is expanding his little kingdom.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: If it' s a ROW it doesn't matter if it's grass
or whatever.
MR. PROVENTURE: No, but it should be accessible to whoever
has the right to go over that piece of property.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI : Yes, but if it' s grass it' s still accessible.
MR. PROVENTURE: I 'm just saying what his argument is. It' s
really ridiculous.
MR. PAPPAS: He said there was a road there. There was a road
there in 1950 when the place was built. The road that was built, .
then, if you see it today, if you saw it then, you would laugh.
But if you saw it before I ripped it up there was no road
there. It was strictly grass and dirt. Nobody repaved it,
Board of Trustees 8 -ember 17, 1997
nobody maintained it. 'If I asked anybody to share the cost,
because we are all supposed to share the cost- on the roadway, if
you want to call it that, they would have laughed in my face.
. The people across the street from me tried to get the. neighbors
to contribute to construct the road and everybody turned it
down. He did it by himself. And they found the road was
deteriorated to such a degree there was no road. As a matter of
fact it looks more like a road now than it did then.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: It there anyway to lower the railroad ties a
little but more so if your neighbor had to get through there
maybe to get a boat in there. . . . .
MR. PAPPAS: They can go through there now. ' In fact, they are
going through there. When I go to check my -house once a month,
I see railroad tires and I think they do that on purpose. Some
people still drive over it.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: That' s always gonna happen. So things like
that happen on people' s property. . No matter what you put up
there some people will still ride right over it.
MR. PAPPAS: I understand that, and I don' t stop anybody but
the railroad ties were being 6" over all, the whole height of
them, I buried them. It' s only about an inch showing to create
a border and that' s it.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: So if they're only an inch up there wouldn' t
be a problem. Any other comment?
TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL: I think the other side is to look at the"
whole application is 'if there was no neighborly dispute would we
have an environmental problem with the application?
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: No.
TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL: And are we here to settle. . .
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: No, but it' s our responsibility to try.
MR. PAPPAS: It' s a neighborly thing. They all jump on my
back. But there is small dock with a staircase at the end of
the so called road, that was falling apart. It was built in
1950. So last year I went ahead and rebuilt it.. It' s on my
property. Anybody that gets hurt on it, theyiturn around and sue
me. In addition to the Town and anybody else. I don't object
to it. I could very well object to it because' I had to get a
permit the same way .they got me to get the grass permit. It is
on my property and I have the right to rip it out and let them
get their permission by your board or whoever to do that. I
don' t intend to do that. I want them to use 'it and enjoy it for
40 years or so.
TRUSTEE GARRELL: What is under question here besides the 6 ' X
6 ' walmanized ties. Is there anything else here that is a
problem?
MR. PROVENTURE: No, because that' s after the facts and all
those things are in existence at the present time and we haven' t
objected to that.
TRUSTEE GARRELL: So the only problem here is the ties?
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Do I have a motion to close the hearing?
TRUSTEE KING: So moved.
TRUSTEE GARRELL: Second. ALL AYES
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: I ' ll make a motion to approve the application
of WILLIAM PAPPAS for a split rail fence, a 7 ' X 10 ' deck, a
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3 ' X 17 ramp, a 6' X 20 ' float, 7- 8" piles, storage shed and
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that the 6' X 6 ' ties that border driveway be no higher than
above the gravel.
TRUSTEE KING: Second. ALL AYES
- equests a
6• Patricia Moore on .behalf of_ wall
Wetland Permit for a 35' X 35' boat basin with a rip toabeicut to
(jetty type, low sill bulkhead) oftinterstidallmarsh plantings,
mean high water t. allowgrowther landward wall to be 31 . above mean hig watwallanw81 ao4'wX 12'
retaining
a
walkway o the landward andf dredging which may be necessary
ramp and a 6' X 20 ' float,
to reach 4' at mean low orth•ofLocated:
An ler•,LaneO Beebe Drive,
#9.7V7�5
Cutchogue. SCTM #145 n
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: This will be recessed until next month.
7 •. Joe Fischetti tl behalf of and backfill
PINO requests a Wetland Permit o with 6a returnsca
retaining wall 3 1/2' to 5 high wi
ean sand. Located: 50 Cleaves Point
with approx. 30 c.y• of cl
Road, East Marion. SCTM #38-2-31
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Is there anyone here who would like to speak
.
in favor of the application. licant
HOLZAPFEL• One of the questions w
TRUSTEE e had is the app
of where probably what' s gonna happen when he puts a wall up
there. If he looks to the east the entire beach is gone and
that' s due to the structure in front aof those and his e. And bwheneach his
there probably because he -hasn't had
re up there there' s a good chance he' s gonna
puts that structu
loose the higher beach that he has in
retain that
n front of iland that' s
MR. FISCHETTI: We' re just trying
there. The number of vegetation that' s there.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: I don' t think
e bu understand
n has d what
John
is
saying. You can see the beach
dramatically to the east. Thecrthe sand1on that you have here
shows the footing about 8" below
TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL: That' s what Whole thing risdj st gonnaf you
was conce
loose that 2 feet in front that
collapse. e of material that he
MR. FISCHETTI: We talked about the 'type
o use and he wanted to use block.
wanted t h that
We had met with them about 4 or 5 months ago
TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL:
and it seemed nice, but when we looked at the aup b 1 depth
he was going down, it seemed like it might end up being more of
a problem than a solution.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: He' s just gonna have a lot of rubble which
might make like a revetment. g and I
MR. FISCHETTI: I understand what the Board is sayw
th that footing. We were going
could not go down any further wi
down 12 inches with it. I will bring the point ) I'm not sure
to my
client. Did you bring it up to him at that pointt?
if you' did. not at that point, because he wasn't
TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL: No,
sure what he was going to do.
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TRUSTEE KRUPSKI : When 'you look at the plans we've seen what
happens in areas like that.
MR. FISCHETTI: That' s a good point. If you'd like we're not
rushed to do this. . So I 'd like to put it off and I ' ll speak to
my client and I ' ll take your recommendations, to him.
TRUSTEE GARRELL: The other thing you might do if you have the
time, is to talk with a couple of other people in marine
construction who tackled similar jobs like that.
MR. FISCHETTI: We've talked about the regular bulkheading.
He wasn' t familiar with it. His family was Italian and a
mason. They like to block and wanted to use' it and we talked
about it. You bring a good point up and we did discuss it. At
this point I think I could put it off for a month and -take your
recommendation.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Sometimes it's more effective to go with the
softer structure like rip rap or they have those big gabions.
They might work.better in a situation like that where a hard
structure can take a beating and get undermined. So we' ll table
this for a month..
8. U.S. Retirement Communities on behalf of
requests a Wetland Permit for the constructio of residential
life care community complex buildings consisting of 118 single
family detached cottages, 132 apartment units, a 24 unit
assisted living center and a 32 bed skilled care center.
Located: north side of Main Road approx. 1,100 ' east of Sound
Road, LILCO pole #47-53 , Greenport. SCTM #35-1-25
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Is there anyone here who .would like to speak
on behalf of the application?
TOM WOLPERT: I 'm the engineer of Young & Young of Riverhead.
And before I get started I 'd like to submit these plans. With
me this evening are two members from Young & Young. Ken
Abruzzo & Doug Adams. We also have Jeff Seeman our
environmental consultant and Mark Hendon who is an architect,
John Dussling and Terry Lewis, and Bill Thompson who 1s
Chairman of the Board of Peconic Landing. These people, will be
able to answer any questions you might have regarding almost any
aspect of this project.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: At last months meeting there was a fellow who
had a model of this. Is that available for review. Is that at
Town Hall or is it gone?
MR. WOLPERT: I believe that model is in the marketing office
at Feather Hill.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Now that model is that to scale and
topographically correct?
MR. WOLPERT:. Yes. it is. It is my understanding that that
was a laser cut model which was built from a computer drawing
that Young & Young prepared. So that should be to scale and
accurately depict. If I may just make a comments I think what's
most important to note here is that the site plan that we
submitted in November is a revision of the previously approved
site plan for a project known as the Breakers. That project
consisted of 350 condominiums units and a half dozen ponds.
This project entails 250 retirement community units and a
Board of Trustees 11 E amber 17, 1997 ��.
bio-filtration system for treating storm water runoff. We
believe that we have a good project that has been designed to be
environmentally sensitive and we hope that you agree.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: I don' t know if your aware that new pond
creation to treat storm runoff, we don' t really consider those
areas to be environmentally sensitive because if your building a
sump it' s a sump no matter what it grows into. So we wouldn't
want to over rate areas like that. You said you had a plan
similar to this that was previously approved. By whom?
MR. WOLPERT: I believe ten years ago the project known as the
"Breakers" was approved not only by the DEC but also the Town of.
Southold, because ultimately it resulted in a building
approval. And there are some remnants of foundations that were
constructed about ten years ago.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI : But our permit would only be good for 2 years
if the work wasn' t completed. It might not have been
jurisdictional. And looking at this a lot of this is. . ... . .but
the setback if 100 feet. Our jurisdiction is 75 feet for fresh
or salt water wetlands.
MR. WOLPERT: We've maintained a minimum of 75 ' of setback
from wetlands.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: That' s for any activity whether it be clearing
or cutting or anything like that. Now what we do on any project
whether it somebody's 6 ' X 6 ' shed or somebody' s 250 unit
retirement community, is we would require an on site inspection
that has to be staked till we have an idea of where these
projects are gonna be on site.
MR. WOLPERT: We have staked it.
TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL: We went out there once to look at it and
when we were out there two months ago we did go through the
property and got a sense of what was there. But there was no
sense of 'this is the corner of this building' .
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: The parking lot start here, the Recreational
Center is gonna be here overlooking the. . . .there was no sense
of scale when your out in the field in a project of this size.
TRUSTEE GARRELL: And this is where the buffer area is. A
buffer area delineated by stakes. We got a sense of what was
there.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: What we really need for next month, if it' s
possible, is if we could take. . . . . .this area is the big hole?
(indicating on map) .
MR. WOLPERT: there are no elevations on this plan.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Basically, if you could verify this as being a
100 foot buffer between any activity and the wetland .areas, then.
this project is outside of our jurisdiction.
MR. ABRUZZO: You want us to stake a 100 foot line and certify
that our activity will be. . . . ... let me ask a question because I
don't mind doing that, but if we said all our activity would be
outside our area and we put this stake. . . . . ..
I don' t know what
that' s going to accomplish six months or a year from now by you
walking around and seeing what' s this 100 foot shape line is.
Without any buildings or anything else. It' s just gonna be a
stake and when construction starts here in a year or 8 months
those stakes will no longer be here or around.
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TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Presumably,
the buildings will be where
they' re planned and everything so that
activity befo ewould
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went in there we'd be in violation. Plus to stake a 100 this is
line now, I don't know by you walking around saying Y
the 100 foot line. What that really does for you.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: It does verify that this is where the wetlands
area you might ' say, the wetlands
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outside that. . . . changes at
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because it' s well out
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of our jurisdiction. this
MR. WOLPERT: I think that if we put some more stakes lbuildings
area and if we don' t go crazy, we' re not proposing any -buildings
there' s
and then jump into this area where there are buildings,
nothing. . . . . .Ther.e' s no sense in us, as surveyors putting .
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TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Just one more question. It relates to our 75'
jurisdiction. You have the 100 foot buffer. , We onlyroa e
jurisdiction of 751 0f that. Is there gonna be any p P
osed
activity within our jurisdiction?
MR:p,BRUZZO: No. Except where we' re building those
bio-filtration ponds.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: No, I mean the two wetlands by the Sound.
MR. WOLPERT. No. We' re looking to expand those ponds. The
two by the Sound.
TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL: That you would need a permit for. Is that
part of this description. It wasn' t clear to me.
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MR. WOLPERT: If you open that plan you can see it. We have
an existing pond and we've got a new pond we're looking to
create. We have the other pond, the existing pond and the
existing wetland we are looking to expand that a little bit and
create some new wetlands.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: I didn' t see any existing pond in that
location when I was out there.
MR. WOLPERT: Existing and new -wetlands.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: When we go on field inspection next month
maybe your representative from the company can take us there and
that way any questions they can be answered right there and it' s
not gonna hold it up for another month.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI : I just saw in the file that the State wants to
do an inspection also.
MR. ABRUZZO: Could we best set this up by your office? If
you set it up we' ll make ourselves available.
TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL: Just let you know we are recently changing
the code so that when you do create your own ponds you don't
bring upon you any regulation. So if you create your own pond
you can still come within 75 ' and put whatever you want. That
wasn' t in the code, we are just changing it. It' s in front of
the code committee two or three months ago.
MR. ABRUZZO: If we were to have this staked within the next
two weeks, when would you be looking to set up the meeting so we
would know when to come back.
TRUSTEE GARRELL: Mid January.
TRUSTEE WENCZEL: I' ll make a motion to recess the hearing.
TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL: Second. ALL AYES
TRUSTEE GARRELL made a motion to go back to the regular meeting,
TRUSTEE WENCZEL seconded. ALL AYES
V. RESOLUTIONS:
1. En-Consultants Inc. , on behalf of s
a Grandfather Permit to . remove and rep ace (Inkinclj-
100+/-' of existing timber retaining wall and 2- 10' returns and
backfill with approx. 25 c.y. of clean sand to be trucked in
from an upland source. Applicant wishes to place 1-3 ton stone
on filter cloth placed along the eastern end of the structure to
mitigate erosional scour. Located: 285 Sound View Ave. ,
Mattituck. SCTM #94-121
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI' moved to approve with condition that sand and
stone come from upland source, not stone already there, TRUSTEE
HOLZAPFEL seconded. ALL AYES
2. William Witzke on behalf of A ests a
Grandfather Permit for an existin catwalk with a 4' X
22 ' ramp attached to a 6 ' X 250' floating dock with 8 finger
floats measuring 6 ' , X 33 ' and one measuring 6 ' X 271 . Applicant
wishes to Amend this Grandfather Permit to make all finger
floats 6 ' X 27 ' and replace and repair as needed,
inkind/inplace. Located: Route 25 between Bay Home Road and
Port of Egypt. SCTM #56-6-2 . 3 , 3 , 3 . 2 & 3 .3.
Board of Trustees _, 14 ] ._ tember 17, 1997
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI moved to recess the hearing until next month
when we verify correct measurements, TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL
seconded. ALL AYES
3 . Hahn Realty on behalf o e a
Grandfather Permit for. an existing 5' X 16' & 4 ' X 6' eck.
Located: 2905 Bayshore Road, Greenport. SCTM #53-6-4
TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL moved to approve the application, TRUSTEE
GARRELL seconded. ALL AYES
VI . MOORINGS:
1. MICHAEL J. CONNOLLY requests a 10' 'X 8' duck blind in
Arshamomoque Pond. ACCESS: Public.
TRUSTEE GARRELL moved to approve the application, TRUSTEE
HOLZAPFEL seconded. ALL AYES'
Meeting Adjourned at 8: 45 p.m.
Respectfully Submitted By:
Diane J. Herbert, Clerk