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BOARD OF TOWN TRUSTEES
TOWN OF SOUTHOLD
NIINTITES
MARCH 26. 1997
PRESENT WERE: Albert J. Krupski, Jr. , President
John- Holzapfel, Vice-president
Peter Wenczel, member
Jim King, member
Jill Doherty, clerk
Darlene Hubbard, clerk
ABSENT: Martin Garrell, member
WORKSESSION: 6: 00 P.M.
CALL MEETING TO ORDER
PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE
NEXT FIELD INSPECTION: Wed. April 23, 1997, 12-: 30
NEXT TRUSTEE BOARD MEETING: Wed. , April 30, 1997 7P.M.
WORKSESSION: 6: 00 p.m.
APPROVE MINUTES: Approve minutes of January and February 1997 Regular
Meetings.
A motion was made by TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL and seconded by TRUSTEE
WENCZEL to approve the minutes.
I . MONTHLY REPORT: The Trustees monthly report for February 1997:
A check for $4,657.16 was forwarded to the Supervisor's Office for
the General Fund.
II. PUBLIC NOTICES: Public Notices are posted on the Town Clerk' s.
Bulletin Board for review.
III . AMENDMENTS/WAIVERS./CHANGES
1. Deirdre S. Venables on behalf of KEVIN & JANE MCGI.LLOWAY
requests to transfer permit #' s 262,295 and 1925 from J.J. Newman
to the Mcgil.loway's. as they have pur.chas.ed. same. Located 430 Sailor
Needle Road, Mattituck. SCTM #144-5-29..1
A motion was made. by TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL and seconded by TRUSTEE
WENCZEL. to approve the above request as described. ALL. AYES.
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2. VICTOR RERISI requests a one year extension for Permit. #4300
for a single- family dwelling to expire March. 25, 1998. Located 800
Snug Harbor Road, Greenport. SCTM #35-5-37.
A motion was made by TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL and seconded by TRUSTEE .KING
to approve the: above request, and subject to a landscape plan, and. a
20' buffer behind the bulkhead. ALL AYES.
3 . PETER ENNERS. requests. an amendment to permit #4689 to move
dock to the end of the bulkhead. as. per DEC request shown on. drawing
received February 21, 1997. Located East Mill Road, Mattituck. SCTM
#106-4-2.
A motion was made by TRUSTEE KING and seconded by TRUSTEE. HOLZAPFEL
to approve the above request as described.. ALL AYES.
4. Costello Marine on behalf. of ROBINS ISLAND PRESERVATION CORP.
requests an Amendment to Permit # 4346 to install a 20' X 120'
geoweb access ramp at northerly property with a temporary crushed
stone driveway leading to the landing craft loading ramp. Also to
install ten 2-pile dolphins and two 3-pile dolphins to secure the
landing craft. Two of the 2-pile dolphins would be placed in front of
the deteriorated. boxed-in bulkhead to secure one of the passenger
transient vessels as per drawings dated. March 3, 1997. Located. New
Suffolk Ave. , New Suffolk. SCTM #117-8-19.
A motion was made by TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL and seconded by TRUSTEE KING.
to approve the above as described for a 2 year period. ALL AYES.
5. J.M.O. Consulting on behalf of ERNEST GAEBEL requests an
Amendment to permit #4545 to move dock 15' off property line and
construct. a 4' X 82' fixed dock, 31X 16' ramp and ( 2) 6 ' X 20' floats
with ( 3) two-pile dolphins in an "L" shape. Located 1765 Westview
Drive, Mattituck. SCTM#107-7-7.
A motion was made by TRUSTEE KING and. seconded by TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL
to approve the above as. described.. ALL AYES.
6. Docko, Inc. on behalf. of PIRATES COVE. MARINA requests. an
amendment to Permit #148 to maintain an existing marina including
concrete .launch ramp, concrete, stone and steel bulkheading, fixed
and floating wood docking faci.litie.s.with ramp sand tie-off piles and
straddle. hoist. piers. The marina basin is dredged to a depth of -8'
at MLW. Specific work to be accomplished in spring of 1997 is to
replace 7- 3" diameter steel pipe restraint piles with driven wood
piles and add a 10' extension to an existing 16.' X 1.6 ' float at the
west end of the marina. Located Peninsula Road, Fishers Island.. SCTM
#10-3-22.
A motion was made by TRUSTEE. KRUPSKI and seconded by TRUSTEE KING to
table this application due to a pump out station as required. ALL.
AYES.
7. Docko, Inc. on behalf of RICHARD BINGHAM requests: an
amendment to Permit 44694 to add a 6' X 40' extension to existing
dock. Located Central Ave. , Fishers Island. SCTM #6.-4-2.
A. motion was. made by TRUSTEE. WENCZEL and. seconded. by TRUSTEE.
HOLZAPFEL to approve the above request. as. described. ALL AYES.
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8. SUSAN TASKER requests a one year extension on permit #41.67 to
construct a single family dwelling to expire May 26, 1998. Located.
Route 48; Southold. SCTM #44-2-11.
A motion was made by TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL and seconded by TRUSTEE:
KRUPSKI to approve the above request as described, but will be the
last extension. ALL AYES:
9. VINCENT P. GERAGHTY requests Waiver to place. recycled. concrete.
pavement for boat storage as per survey dated February 27, 1997.
Located Route 25, Southold. SCTM #56-4-13 .3, 13.4 & 14.
A motion was made- by TRUSTEE.. KRUPSKI. and seconded. by TRUSTEE to
approve the above request as described. ALL AYES.
10. PORT OF EGYPT requests an amendment to Permit #38.98 to replace
bulkheads with cement columns behind existing bulkheads as per DEC.
Located off Route 25, Southold. SCTM #56-6-6.1 & 3. 4.
A motion was made by TRUSTEE WENCZEL and seconded by TRUSTEE
HOLZAPFEL to approve the above request as described. ALL AYES..
11. Joe Fishchetti on behalf of MARY FISCHETTI requests a Waiver
to construct a 11' X 20' addition 75' from MHW, in line with existing
house. Located 3760 Minnehaha Blvd.. , Southold. SCTM #87-3-4.
A motion was made by TRUSTEE' KRUPSKI and seconded by TRUSTEE .
HOLZAPFEL to approve the above request for a waiver to construct a
11' x 20' addition 751 , as per plan submitted with a line of haybales
between construction and wetlands, also with gutters and
drywells. ALL AYES...
12. VINCENT ANNABEL. requests, an Amendment to Permit #1735 to move
dock over to middle of property as per drawing submitted. Located
Private Road of Stillwater, Cutchogue. SCTM #137-3-6. .
A motion was made by TRUSTEE: KRUPSKI and seconded by TRUSTEE:.
HOLZAPFEL to approve the above request, but to also remove the old.
dockage.. Will inspect on the 23rd of April. ALL AYES.
13. LAGOON ASSOCIATION requests an extension of their dredge permit
to run with DEC, May 8, 2002.' Located Nassau Point, Cutchogue. SCTM
#118-2-11. 1. 2.
A motion was made by TRUSTEE KRUPSKI and seconded. by TRUSTEE
HOLZAPFEL to approve the above request as described.. ALL AYES.
14. STEPHEN AND BARBARA FRIEDMANN requests a Waiver to construct a
two story addition. over an existing concrete patio wi.th. a. footprint
of 15' X 18 ' and construct a partial second floor over the existing
one story house as per survey dated January 2.6, 1997. Located 2140
Deep Hole Drive, Matti.tuck. SCTM #123-4-4.1..
A motion was made by TRUSTEE KING and seconded. by TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL
to approve the above request as described, but with gutters. and.
drywells.. ALL AYES.
15. En-Consultants on behalf. of RONALD RYZOFF requests_ a Waiver to
remove concrete debris along AHW by manually breaking it up with a
Pneumatic jack-hammer and trucking debris to an upland. di.sposal. site.
Existing pilings will be cut to. grade level and remnants manually
removed. and. disposed of at an upland site. Located 12340 Main Road,
East Marion. SCTM #31-14-6.
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A motion was made by TRUSTER KRUPSKI and seconded by TRUSTEE'
HOLZAPFEL to approve the above request as described, and waive fees..
ALL AYES.
16. SOUTHOLD TOWN requests a. Waiver to excavate the
overflow/recharge area south of ,Hummel Pond and the placement of an
earth berm as per plans dated. Mar.ch 26, 1997 . Located- Lighthouse
Road, Southold.
SCTM #49-6-5.11.
An inspection was done on April 3rd, and a waiver is o.k.
IV. PUBLIC HEARINGS:
. THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING IN THE MATTER OF THE FOLLOWING APPLICATIONS
FOR PERMITS UNDER THE WETLANDS ORDINANCE OF THE TOWN' OF SOUTHOLD. I
HAVE AN AFFIDAVIT OF PUBLICATION FROM THE SUFFOLK TIMES. PERTINENT
CORRESPONDENCE MAY BE READ PRIOR TO ASKING FOR COMMENTS FROM THE.
PUBLIC.
PLEASE. KEEP YOUR COMMENTS ORGANIZED AND BRIEF:
FIVE ( 5) MINUTES OR LESS, IF POSSIBLE.
1. Proper-T Permit Services on behalf of GREGORY POULOS requests
a. Wetland permit to construct. new rock revetment approx. 15' wide.
Add additional stones behind approx.. 60' of existing rock revetment.
so that resulting revetment will be approx.. the width and height of
the new revetment. Place. approx. 300 c.y. of fill in eroded area of
the bluff face to restore the previously existing shape. o.f. the face;.
plant filled area with "Cape" American beachgrass or other suitable
vegetation. Located 135 & 235 Sound. View Road, Orient. SCTM#15-3-3 &
4.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Is there anyone here that would like to speak. in
favor of the applicant?
MR. FITZGERALD: Yes, Jim Fitzgerald for Mr. Poulous. Everything.
is in the application except. the problem that hascome up, the fact
that the existing stairs. which was built. under a previous survey. I
would like to ask the board. to review the application from the
environmental standpoint, contingent upon I would be able to resolve
the legalities of the existence of the stairs of the proposed.
construction. of the revetment. on the towns property'.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI What do you mean the proposed construction of the
revetment on town property?
TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL: The revetment stretches across two pieces of the
property and goes on to the third town piece of property to the
stairs.. That was the problem.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: The proposed- revetment?
TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL: Right.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Just put the stairs aside. for now, our policy has
always been put- it on your own property. In fact we just had a big
run in with the law a couple of months. ago, about someone trying to
put up a retaining wall on the neighbors. property, if you recall.
that. And one judge said., sure you can, as. long as you know the right
judge you can put anything on your neighbors property, if you want.
Not all of us agree with that. So I don' t think it' s a good idea to
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put a retaining wall on the towns property, especially on part of the
town' s property.
MR. FITZGERALD: Well that' s what I'm saying, If I. had written to the
town board, and asked them to grant an easement, that would permit
that activity, if they don't do it then whatever you do won' t make. a.
difference. There-Is a plan that looks like this.
TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL: It came apart, Jim can I just borrow yours for a
moment? Here' s the situation.. There' s two pieces of. property, the
applications only for one.
MR. FITZGERALD: NO, the application's for two. He owns both of them.
TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL: Well he owns one and his wife &. he owns the other,
so we usually ask both to. apply for two separate applications_. Jill
told you that?
MR. FITZGERALD: Yeah.
TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL: So since it' s two separate tax, we ask for two
separate permits. So here's what' s here right now, there' s some
stone, they want to continue it down here, and go on to town property.
TRUSTEE WENCZEL.: Your asking for an easement for the stairs too?
MR. FITZGERALD: An easement to permit the stairs to remain where they
are.
CLERK: They all. haven' t had a chance to read your letter yet, that' s
why they're asking these questions.
TRUSTEE WENCZEL: How'd they get there?
TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL: They did that?
MR. FITZGERALD: A contractor that. wasn't paying attention.
TRUSTEE WENCZEL: I mean they're not even, like close to the line.
TRUSTEE. KRUPSKI.:. It' s probably easier there:.
MR. FITZGERALD: The problem is Pete that the turf area at the top of
the bluff extends 20 or 30 feet. beyond the property- ,line, so the
contractor goes out and he sees the edge of the turf, and he say oh
that must be the property line, and here the stairs must be 10 feet-
inside that.. So he builds the stairs.
TRUSTEE WENCZEL: Al this.. up to the town board to make a decision on
that?
TRUSTER KRUPSKI: Sure.
TRUSTEE WENCZEL.: I don' t feel comfortable with. granting a permit. for
something we haven't decided on yet.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI:. No it wouldn' t be fair to the town hall.
TRUSTEE..WENCZEL: I'd be more than happy to grant. a permit for the
work that is on this gentleman' s property, but I think we have to
exclude what' s on the towns property at this time.
TRUSTEE.. KRUPSKI: Yeah., because we would never forward out a structure.
on someone' s property, subject to their approval. And. that is what
your asking.
MR. FITZGERALD: Yeah exactly.
TRUSTEE WENCZEL: I would feel uncomfortable, I 'm sure you would like
us to give you permission, but. not without. approval. But I don' t want
to do that.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: I don't think we'd have any objections:, to the town
board approving that, but you. need to get their approval first. I
think that would be consistent in. the way we do it. We are. assuming
that it' s not the town, that this. is another private property owner.
It would be consistent if you got their approval first.
MR. FITZGERALD: O.K.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Do you want to make, I don' t know how you want to do
this.
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TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL: Do you want to end it at the property, and build a
return on the edge of the property? I think we would do that, I mean.
if you want. to start work, star.t. down the other. end, and. you. can
settle it with the town board in between.
MR. FITZGERALD: One of. the considerations is that they might say no
to everything, than in which case we' ll have to move the stairs..
It' ll have an effect on the structure of revetment of the other
property. .
TRUSTEE. WENCZEL: You. want to wait?
MR. FITZGERALD: I think probably, well I don't know.
TRUSTEE WENCZEL: It' s up to you Jim.
MR. FITZGERALD: If you will consider the revetment. to the westerly
property line.
TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL: With a return.
TRUSTEE. KRUPSKI: What we would do, if we vote on this, we would have
to give you. a conditional approval based on a new set of plans. So
how ever you want to describe the end of it.
MR. FITZGERALD: Well. the configuration of the slope, and the existing'
revetment, it might be difficult to build a return coming out further
just for that purpose. Now the. existing. revetment has survived pretty
well on its easterly end., without any sort of , concern, .the problem is
on the westerly end.
TRUSTEK HOLZAPFEL: Right, but the land. tends to go out a little more
that way, right? It bends a bit, and on the other. side; see what I'm
afraid of is the- town loosing all 'its property if you land right on
the. .edge.
MR. FI.TZGERALD: Whether its a return or not its going. to do that.
TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL: Right.
MR. FITZGERALD: I mean the possibilities go intense. But that' s all
along the sound shore, I've been trying to put a hard erosion control.
structure.
TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL.: Could I just ask one question, the marks that you
had there:, that was. the: outer most.
MR. FITZGERALD: The orange. one' s?
TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL.: The flags, were the outer most.
MR. FITZGERALD: Yes..
TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL: O.K. Just to be sure.
MR.FITZGERALD: The. 2 outer most ones. were the outer corners of the
proposed. revetment, including the portion on the town property which
is 12' west of the stairs.
TRUSTEE KING.: What other structures in the. area John.
TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL:. There.' s nothing to the west, but on. the. other side..
MR. FITZGERALD: There' s stairs on Janet Swansons .property on the
other side, right of farm lane.. Which are maybe. 2.00' to the west., and
the only thing to the east is about.., well between: a. quarter mile and.
a half mile away. A set of stairs and. that kind of thing.
TRUSTEE. WENCZEL.: But there' s no other revetments and bulkheads, huh'?
MR. FITZGERALD: I. don't think so.
TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL: There might be some stone to the east.
MR. FITZGERALD: Yeah there could be.. It' s not- immediately concurrent.
I have some: pictur.es of. the whole coastal line there. I. could show
you..
TRUSTEE KING: John looked. at. this. at the field. inspection..
TRUSTEE. HOLZAPFEL.:. YUP!
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Is there any one: else_ who would like to comment on
this application., either in favor of, or against? CAC?
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CAC: That' s fine.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: CAC recommends approval, no further comments. I' ll
make a motion to close the hearing.
A motion was made by TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL and seconded. by TRUSTEE
WENCZEL. to close the hearing. ALL AYES.
A motion. was made by TRUSTEE. HOLZAPFEL and seconded by TRUSTEE KING
to approve the above application only for three: middle. properties
with subject to new plans. ALL AYES..
2. J.M.O. Consulting on behalf. of HAROLD SCHWERDT requests_ a.
Wetland Permit to reconstruct within 1811 , 80 ' of timber bulkhead, to
backfil.l structure with +5c.y. of clean sand which shall be trucked.
in from an upland site. Located 440 Oak Ave. , Southold.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Is there any one here that would like to speak in
favor of the application?
MR. JUST: I 'm Glenn Just on behalf of J.M.O. Consulting, the agent
for the applicant. I 'm asking questions from the board.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Is there anyone else who would like to speak. in
favor or against the application. CAC comments, recommended. table..
MR. MESKILL: Well the CAC really wasn't prepared on all this, the
intent of the land owner, we have no upperhand on what' s going on.
. . . . this is based. on what we looked at last time.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: What happened? We went out a couple of weeks ago,
and looked at the. . . . .
MR. MESKILL: They were bad plans, and it was a brief description of
what was going on. You really couldn't tell. . .
MR. JUST: Just refreshing the board., a few months ago we had a full,
board site-meeting. At that. time. we applied. to reconstruct a, well to
construct a wall 7' seaward of the existing wall, in place of where
there had been an old sinder block wall. At this time Mr. Schwerdt
wants to remove the premise of the sinder block wall, and all he
wants to do is reconstruct within 18" of new bulkhead, within 18" of
the existing bulkhead..
TRUSTEE. KING.: So it' s of the existing bulkhead, not of that small one
on the front of the line.
MR. JUST: No, No.
TRUSTEE KING: That ,was really our only concern.
TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL: That was the confusion the first time.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Well Glenn you said that there was an original
bulkhead 7 ' in front of what' s there?
MR. JUST: That' s the one that.' s existing from the one that' s left
from the property owners.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: But surveyor Mr. Schwerdt here. dated 1973 , that you
submitted, shows that that' s not true. The concrete block wall in
fact, is directly adjacent to the neighbors wall.
MR. JUST: . . . There' s a concrete wall, a timber: wall, and the remains.
of a concrete block wall. Starting landward going seaward. The
concrete wall is still back there, what' s left is. behind the timber.
wall. And the timber wall. . . .
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: How can that be if it shows on the survey, and this
is unbelievable., the only survey that you submitted? It shows. on a.
survey that this concrete wall, MR. Schwerdt, runs. right into the
neighbors wall.
TRUSTEE. HOLZAPFEL: Yeah, that' s what' s there. That' s what.' s there.
MR. JUST: Right., but there' s a timber wall in front of that..
TRUSTEE . KRUPSKI: But where did that come from?
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MR. JUST: It' s shown on the plans, I don't know the exact history.
Mr. Schwerdt is here, he can answer the question to that nature.
But my plans show that there is an existing concrete wall, which is
existing to the wall. in front of it. . . .and. 7' seaward of the exis.ting
timber wall, remains the concrete. wall, that's what we looked at when.
we had the full board inspection.. I have photos, and Mr. Schwerdt
showed you, the board, at that time. Shown that there had. been an
extensive beach, even trees on the beach..
TRUSTEE. KRUPSKI: And. our discussion, at that time, was the same; as.
the di.scussion. we had with the DEC at that. time, on that. You can see
if you look down the beach to the east. The neighbors have a much
better beach elevation there, it' s all planted with Spartina. Mr.
Schwerdt suffers from a lot of erosion- there because there was no,
when you don't have plant material, the sand washes away.
MR. JUST: That' s the whole reason why he wants to reconstruct the
timber wall,, is because the erosion there.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: No, No, but the timber wall is not going to hold
sand. The timber wall is. . .
MR. JUST: But, the structure will protect that. timber wall behind it.
That' s the point I 'm trying to make.
TRUSTEE. KRUPSKI: Protect it' s . upland., but it' s not going to do
anything but hurt his beach...
MR. JUST: Well here' s pictures, again going back to the 70's when
there was extensive beach there. With trees and everything else. on.
it, it' s between the concrete wall and the water itself. There' s
constant erosion there.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI.: There is, no question about that.
MR. JUST: And that' s why he' s hereto try to reconstruct that
existing timber- wall, to protect his uplands.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: No question, well to protect the upland, that's not.
helping .the beach at all.
TRUSTEE WENCZEL: Can I see the pictures again Glenn?
MR. JUST: The beach has been historically eroding. Examining by the
photos, examining by the surveys, you haven't found anything?
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: No question. about it Glenn, our suggestion to you in
the field that day, was to put down, and I'm not talking about the.
proposed wall, I'm talking about as .proposed in your letter March
7th. Our proposal was to put sand' in front of the wall, and plant
Spartina alternaflara, in front to reestablish Spartina in front.
Which will. hold his beach, and also protect his property, his upland.
That' s the discussion we had. in the field.
MR. JUST: With the DEC?
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: With you.
MR. JUST: Yeah o.k. . Because I wasn' t present along with the DEC. I
t don' t know I can' answer for Mr. Schwerdt, he is here.. He might be.
willing to put sand in f.ront. of a reconstructive wall, and replant
that as a condition of the permit,.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI.: Mr. Schwerdt., that' s what. . . .
TRUSTEE. WENCZEL: Glenn can I see those pictures..
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: We spoke to you that day, and we spoke: to Glenn, and-
we spoke to DEC afterwards. I. went out with them, and. there feeling
also was that if you put sand. in, in front of your property. I.'m not
talking about. the wall, we're talking about putting sand in the .
front, in the beach. Take the concrete, and the garbage up, put sand.
down and plant it with Spartina. That can establish itself., you will
hold your beach in. It will protect your upland. also:
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MR. SCHWERDT: May I approach?
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Please? ,
MR. SCHWERDT: May I have those. pictures please?
TRUSTEE WENCZEL.: Sure.
MR. SCHWERDT Thank you. This is the. damage that was done o.k. in
1984. If you take a tree down what, is going to do for the grass; or
whatever I put..
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: What kind of tree is that? A locust?
MR. SCHWERDT: A locust.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: A locust isn' t going to stand. for too long any where.
MR. SCHWERDT: There' s another locust, o.k.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: But see a locust isn't going to hold sand, or any
kind of material.
MR. SCHWERDT: O.k. let me just point out in 1974, that' s the beach I
had, o.k. 30 to 35' of sandy_ beach, like I'd menti-oned.. There isn't
a blade of grass on there. -
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: But do you know what? Oh no, Go ahead and finish.
MR.SCHWERDTc O.k. , nor has there ever been any grass on there.. .
Another picture of the beach and. so forth., now since 1.984, let' s say
since 74. I 've lost a foot of beach. to erosion.. There's never been
any grass there at all., if I plant grass there now it' s only going to
be washed away. There' s no roots.. What I'm proposing, one other
thing, my wall. This is. the block wall we were talking about, that
wall was undermined. o.k. it was leaning over, and collapsed.. As a
result I got permission to put a timber wall up. So I don' t want this
timber wall to fall down again. So what I'm proposing,' that I. put a
retaining wall in front of that, so it doesn't erode into my new
timber wall. If it falls down than. I'm in trouble.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: I do have a question though.:
MR. SCHWERDT: Sure.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Why do you need a wall in front of a wall?
MR. SCHWERDT Because the erosion has gone so far, 'I .told you that we
had. 30 to 35' of beach, it, eroded up to, I would say maybe 61 , so at
30' of beach erosion, and. this is since 84. So now what' s going to
happen in the next 10 years?
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Well can I show you something, these pictures show
it quite clearly. They show what we see in the field. When you look
to the east, you can see that your neighbor has all his beach
elevation, and his property is- protected by the grass. Well at one
time, the creeks. were all lined. with grass.. They never looked like a
beach.
MR. SCHWERDT: Mine always looked. that way, that-' s 1974.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI.: I believe you, but the point is at some- point
someone put sand there., or else de-vegetated it.. The creeks weren't
made that way.
MR. SCHWERDT: Excuse me, When I bought- the property that-Is the way it
was.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: I believe you, the picture shows it, it was like
that.
MR. SCHWERDT: Now your proposing to put- grass there?
TRUSTEE. KRUPSKI.: Just like your neighbor has.
MR. SCHWERDT: And what' s goingg to happen to it?
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: It will be just. like your neighbors, it will
accumulate soil, and you' ll be stabilizing your property.
MR. SCHWERDT: The. first storm is. going to come along and wash that
away.
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TRUSTEE KRUPSKI.: Than how come your neighbors isn' t washed. away.
MR. SCHWERDT: I don't know. He' s got roots, maybe.
TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL: You might be -talking-about two different grasses.,
I think. The grasses. your talking about on this-, is a beach grass...
What Al' s talking about, is the grass that grows in the water itself.
You've lost all your beach, so the. waters now all the way.up to the
wall, just about. Not quite, .but almost. And what A1' s suggesting, is
to protect your wall, you might want to also consider- putting the
grass that grows in the water, in front. It tends to: build.. up the,
beach.The sand. gets caught. in between it..
MR. SCHWERDT: I propose to put sand in front of the retaining: wall.,
if it' s acceptable by you people..
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Right, including sand to build up the- beach- enough
to grow.
MR.SCHWERDT: I'm going to put the wall up, and put some sand and
let it over flow, and put some whatever you call. it. That' s what I'm
.going to do.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: I 'm still not clear on why you need a wall in front.
of wall.
MR. JUST: Because. the. other walls being undermined, as each is
shortened, the elevation. is. dropped immensely, as being undermined...
So if you look at it., it' s a typical bulkhead reconstructed within.
181f, is that what it comes down to.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: O.K. Any other questions? We have a letter here, in,
the file, from the Natural Resource Conservation Service, which is.
branched from the N.Y. State Dept. of Agriculture. It recommends in
order for vegetated. treatment. to be successful at this site, certain
practices must change,, the. dock can't be left on the beach, since it.
will kill any vegetation. The entire beach should be planted to
Spartina grass. These grasses will act as a shock absorber, to
anticipate waive energy, will entrap sand to help build up the beach.
With that in mind, I recommend stabilizing the site, by planting
Spartina. Alternaflora., below Mead high tide, and Spartina paitance.,
between Mead.. high tide in the. upland bulkhead. Have the landowner
consult the enclosed planning guide, for the proper planning
procedure. I have also .included. a source of grasses for the
applicants use. I don'.t think I have a copy, of the planting. o.k. Is
there any other comment in .favor. or against. the applicant?
MR. GREENE: I. have a comment. I think I have the perfect solution
to letting that grass grow on a temporary basis., we'll talk about.
that later. To use it to calm the water, but if they don't than
remove it.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI.: O.K. Thank you. CAC recommends disapproval of the:
retaining wall, and approval of the cat walk, ramp, and float..
However, I believe that their motion was acted upon their old.
application. Any other. comment. O.K.
A motion was made by TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL- and seconded by TRUSTEE
WENCZEL. to close the hearing:. ALL AYES...
A motion was. made by TRUSTER KRUPSKI. and seconded. by TRUSTEE:
HOLZAPFEL to approve the above application on the basis: of the letter
on 2-27-97 to contact Natural Resources. for planting in, front of the
bulkhead. ALL. AYES.
3. J.M.O. Consulting on behalf: of STEPHEN & SUSAN TUTHILL requests:
a Wetland Permit to reconstruct existing 3 ' X 15' walk, 6' X 60.5'
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catwalk, 3 ' X 18' ramp and to install a 10' X 20' float and a 3 ' X
66' extension to the landward end of the existing walk.. Located 1895
Naugles. Drive, Mattituck. SCTM#99-4-21.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Is there anybody here that would. like to speak in
favor of the application?
MR. JUST: Glenn. Just from J.M.O. Consulting..
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Is there any one else in. the audience that would.
like to speak in favor of or against the. application?
MR. TUTHILL:. I just wanted to point. out that my neighbor was here at.
the last meeting, in front of the board.
TRUSTEE. KRUPSKI.: O.k. Thank you.. Any board comments. or questions?
TRUSTEE. KING: The only problem. I had...with it was., the size of the.
property and the width of the. boat..
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI.: The long standing, town policy, is to keep the
structure 15' off the adjacent property line.
MR. JUST I also discussed .with the town board, that there' s a bend
on the creek, and as far as set backs from other neighbor, It' s up
to 30' , and. I guess. the town board division, each property only has
30' between the two docks. My neighbor also has a 10' x 40' boat in
existence. right. now. My neighbor to the south of me had. a 1.6' x 30'
but it' s all. broke up in. pieces.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Yeah we saw that.
MR. TUTHILL: The other thing is, they use. the whole boats on my
beach, there's actually railway rails. running into the water, where
the floats would be, I would probably remove those rails which have.
probably been there., for 4G or 50 years. There's also a block at
that point.. . . . The beach will. also. being a little upgraded. I'm also
recycling it.
TRUSTEE. KRUPSKI: Pete you have a comment.
TRUSTEE WENCZEL: My comment was the thing was fallen when we were:
there, wasn't it?
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: I think it was.. We' ll make every effort to allow
people to access the- water, but-. there has- to be some control., and
some guidelines_ as to how much you can spread out towards. the
neighbors.
MR. TUTHILL: But like you said earlier, if you. drew the line
between the two docks, I mean I have 2 close neighbors on the sides
of me that are basically the same size or bigger than what I'm
proposing, than I'm in the middle.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Well I don' t know how wide their properties are.
MR. JUST: They are: all 50' wide. They are all the. same size. We
pointed out. at the. last. meeting that Mattituck Creek. is unique.. The
water body is under you guys jurisdiction, where you have deep
water, you have narrower lots, like what happens on East Creek, or
Goose Creek, or something- like_ that..
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Not necessarily.
MR. JUST: I 'm not familiar. with many areas with. 50' lots. on the.
water., in the. town of. Southold. personally. But. the. water distance,
there' s about 8' of water at the end of the dock, that's a perfect
dock to accommodate sail boats.. If .that' s what the public has. in
mind. That was- the- reason f.or the larger: floats_.
TRUSTEE KING: Yeah, depth the water- is going under, body of water.
MR. JUST: And again. , this is not going any further seaward than.
what's existing there. _Again. it' s a. matter of safety and navigation..
Navigation wouldn't be an issue.. I wasn't thinking, we're not going
any further out. Public Health and Safety, we had one of the adjacent.
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neighbors show up there to agree with what' s going on, that it' s
clear with him..
TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL-: The one concern I have with that. Glenn., is that I
become that next door neighbor, then all of a sudden it interferes
with me. You know?
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Exactly.
TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL: I just have a concern, that that's o.k. , I
understand that he' s saying it. And -so I thought that we had talked.
about cutting it down some, I thought we were going to give like 30'
because of the situation. Instead of 40. 40' would leave 5' on each
side, or 6. I thought we were going to cut the distance in half, and
give half to you, and half. to us.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Even not, I mean this policy has been on the board,
since before I was on the board.. It' s a long standing: policy, and
it' s there for a reason. And like what John said, if your neighbor
changes, and he wants to come up to the property line. You would have
a bad situation.
MR. TUTHILL: All my neighbors are there, but fortunately like I said
it' s not a straight piece of property, as far as the vision in 15' of
the navigational clearance.. It' s not a perpendicular straight line;
there' s actually a_ bend in the creek.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: No we were there.. -
MR. TUTHILL.: My neighbors dock is probably about 30' out further into
the creek, because of that bend. The guy south of me is probably
about 20' less than I would be in.
TRUSTEE KING: It' s a unique area.
MR. TUTHILL.: One other thing about this project is unique is it' s a.
federal channel_ if I 'm not mistaking, it's strictly by the Army Corp.
And they came up with the 15' set back. off the property line:. And,
they issued a permit.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: They came up with it? When?
MR. TUTHILL: They're the agency that originally came up with that. 15'
set back policy. It' s not a rule, It' s a policy. To support property
lines. I'm not trying to say that the Army Corp. should give us a
permit, you should give us a. permit..
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Thank you
TRUSTEE KING: I think we should just give him the 30' .
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Well the board. . .
MR. TUTHILL.: I wasn't there when the whole board, to be honest with
you. I was there when. Mr. King was there, and ah. . . . .
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: We were all there last week.
MR. TUTHILL.: O.K.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: We weren't there with .the' DEC, no. Well you have to
ask the applicant if he will except the thirty feet., if. not. . .
MR. TUTHILL.: Well if I go 30' I want to put in a new float, right now
I 've got a woman on the creek that has a 10' X 20' that I can
recycle. It' s sitting on the wetlands, it' s been there for 3 years
since her husband. died. She has no intentions. of putting it in.
MR. JUST: That was something I had mentioned- previously. It' s not
going to be new construction, it totally exists, somebody on the
creek has it.
MR. TUTHILL: I know that' s a hell. of beans, but I 'd be I guess I 'd be
building new float, adding. a. 1.0'x 10' to it, instead. of attaching it.
to my 10'x 201 .
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: It' s just that we have, you know, in this case: we do:
have -good access to have a 20' float. As long as. I've been on this.
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board it' s always bigger is better, better is bigger. There.'s no end
to it, and that' s. why there' s a policy keeping it off the property-
lines. PETE?
TRUSTEE WENCZEL: Nothing, what. else is there to. say?
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: O.k. do I have a motion to close the hearing.?
A motion was. made by TRUS:TEE. HOLZAPFEL.. and_ seconded. by TRUSTEE:
WENCZEL to close the hearing. ALL AYES.
A motion was made by TRUSTEE. KI.NG and. seconded by TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL
to approve the above application with. a 10'x 30' float.. ALL AYES..
4. Pat Moore on behalf of RICHARD SIRIANO requests a Wetland
Permit. to construct a. bulkhead in. a 30' X 35' existing basin with (2)
10' returns with associated.. dredging, 8' wide: walk around basin, and
approval for. existing 3 ' X 12' ramp and. 5' X 20' float. Located 6.00
Beebe Drive, Cutchogue.. SCTM#97-7-5.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI.: Is there anyone here that. would like to speak in
favor of the application?
MS. MOORE: Yes, Thank you. Pat Moore 315 Westphalia Rd, I hope that
some confusion. has_ been. cleared up. A1.1 structure's that are: presently
on this property have permits. I . just want to be sure that, I know
that when. you went out. on an inspection, that wasn't clear to you...
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Thanks..
MS. MOORE: I have, hot off the press, surveys:. Prepared by Peconic
Surveyors, that shows the proposed structures, and all existing .
structures. I also have a set of photographs_ that show. the conditions
of the properties. 15 photographs, which I want to put on record..
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI.: Sure..
MS. MOORE: Here' s. the photos.., and.. the survey for everything. The
surveyor did a good job of showing the type of problem that- has been
experienced here with the dredged out. boat basin. It is collapsing.
You can also see from the photographs, pictures are worth a thousand.
words. I'm sure that those of you that. have gone: out there, all of
you that. were out. there., see the condition of this area. How the
value of this. property, well the. value: to this.. property is this. boat_
basin., and the use of the boat- basin. The: canal is a man. made canal,
the property is a happening along this man made. canal. We have a
vacant. lot next door which is in fact, a house is. going to be
constructed. Angus, which I believe you've got a waiver. I don't know
if it was granted, but.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: No, I. don' t believe. we granted. a waiver for a house
there.
MS. MOORE.: Angus, it was. .
TRUSTEE. KRUP"SKI: Non-jurisdiction..
MS. MOORE: Non-jurisdiction, yes. To the south of that property is
Cantrel.l' s and they have a bulkhead boat basin as- well, levying on
the other side also has a bulkhead basin.. And. to the. north is a,
double wide boat basin that is not bulkhead.. It is having some more
problems., but. they have not applied- as yet., for the bulkhead.. They
had. asked at. one time for an. emergency permit, but. they were not.
proposing as of construction methods.
TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL.:, Who's they, I 'm lost. there a. little bit.
MS. MOORE.: The parcel' s to the north, which have the. double; wide. . .
TRUSTEE. -HOLZAPFEL: They had asked? O.K.
MS. MOORE.:. Yes., they had asked. a. while: back..
TRUSTEE. KRUPSKI.: There was no emergency?
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MS. MOORE: Well. at the time. it was. right after one of the storms:, but
they really shouldn.'t. The. recommendation at that time, to my
understanding, was come back with a proper bulkhead structure. Which
they had never followed thr.ough.. What we have here is a situation
where the property being. on the canal., drops ' o.ff 4 to 5' depth. of
water, right into. the canal. It is a. nar -dw canal, and all of: these.
properties that have the boat basins. keeps- any structures. from
interfering with the navigation: of this canal. The only thing that. I
would point out that the surveyor shows: here, a floating dock, which
is a 61x 20' floating. dock. The existing floating dock, which has
permits, is a 5'x. 20' that.' s the only difference that. I see, that. I
picked up on this surveyors plan., and the one: that: you have in your-
file. If you- ha ve any questions I would be happy to try to answer
them, and we could discuss_ this. application. further-.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Thank you:
TRUSTEE WENCZEL:. I have one question, have they considered regrading,
or planting., or native vegetation to stabilize this slope? It seems
like it would be a lot cheaper. .
MS. MOORE: Well what has happened is, I asked them that, I said .well
you know. His: reaction was that the- grasses are not stabilizing this
. area. The end result would be that you would have to put the floating
dock, or all structures outside. into the canal area. And. that' s
contrary to how all the other properties have developed along this'
canal.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: That' s not what Peter. asked. though.
TRUSTEE WENCZEL.: That' s not. what- I. asked.
MS. MOORE: .Oh' your asking about- filling in and regrading what is a
sloped area?
TRUSTEE WENCZEL: Yeah regrading it..
MS. MOORE: .I haven' t proposed that to him. I believe that this is his.
proposal, and it' s going to be a $20,000.00 investment. So I 'm sure.
that the contractors that he' s. consulted with, if that was the
cheaper solution, it would've,- been something he: would have
considered. The use of the property is- really this bulkhead, this-
bulkhead boat basin, that' s why this application is before: you..
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: When was the canal in the cut out done?
MS. MOORE: Prior to his ownership, .I know that the Cantrell' s had
it, oh! ! Maybe in the 70' s.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI.: 1964?
MS. MOORE: You. would probably know best, because it' s right in your
area. So you could probably tell me, I don't have an answer.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Well see you can see from the photographs, and we
saw it of course on our field inspection. This is filled in wetlands...
MS. MOORE.: The whole area, as. I understand Beebe Dr. , is a. fi.l.led in
area.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Well. that area of the property is.. Now, I.'m sure
the boat basi.n. is important to the property owner; but it' s been in.
use over 30 years as a boat basin.
MS. MOORE:. Yes, and your point is?
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: My point- is., that he' s not being denied use.. Your
saying how important it is.
MS. MOORE: The fact i"s that it' s collapsing., and the value to him is-
the use of the boat basin. What. has. been happening is this_
undermining the area, is. prone to flooding, as you know. You have the
major storms, and. it all. floods.. What happens is all the so!]- erodes:.
into the boat basin, at this point, as you can see from that picture,
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that boat basin. has been pretty much. cut. by 1/3 . Just by the fact
that it' s eroding into the area.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: I don' t see how it' s been cut by 1/3, I mean. that's
the size that they made it, when they made it 30 years ago.. You. know
we haven't allowed, this board has. never allowed. a. s.tandard. cut. and
fill bulkheading application. like this one. is, ever. And it' s been
previous boards back, many years back since a trustee boarcl has
allowed. a. standard cut and fill. bulkheading application,, dirt you.
know that?
MS. MOORE: I don' t know when you have or haven't. I know that
Cantrell has one, Levyin has one...
TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL: Do you know when they, were done?
MS. MOORE: I don' t know when they were done, it was prior to your
permitting., because there' s no permitting on record.. So it was. after,
When did you take jurisdiction, 78?
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: 73, 74.
TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL:. 74.
MS. MOORE: For this type of process?
TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL: That' s my concern, As AL. said we have not allowed
bulkheading on a creek'.
MS. MOORE: Well I don't think you have. situations. like this, many
places in town, where there' s cut out boat basins. inside a piece of.
property?
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Sure
TRUSTEE WENCZEL: Oh Yeah!
MS. MOORE: The only cases: L've ever seen. is the Cantrell' s..
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: The reason I didn't call you immediately on this,
and tell you that was because., in Southold- we told -an applicant it.
wasn' t a. cut out. But it was on a dug canal, which was a similar.
situation. The bank was eroding, and they wanted to put up a standard
cut and fill bulkhead. Now once you do the standard cut and fill.
bulkhead., you fill in the inter titled. area, there' s no exchange_ The
water has no chance to cleanse itself from the surrounding
vegetation, and you create, basically an open body of water with no
vegetation. It' s more or less a cesspool, and. that' s one of: the.
reasons why the standard cut and fill bulkheads are not done in
Southold Town. Now this. applicant in. Southold, we offered him an
alternative, if he wanted to get, which worked in this case. This is
the reason why I didn't. call you last week when we looked at it.
Could work in this case. because. the cut is on the applicant's
property. what we allow them to do, . and I don't know if your familiar
with Strong's Marina?
MS. MOORE: UH HUH.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Have you been down there in the last- year..
MS. MOORE: I haven't seen any of the new stuff.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: O.K. They put in this new experimental. bulkhead
retaining. wall. system. They planted where there was.. none, it.' ss a
similar situation as this, well I shouldn't say none. But it was very
little beach grass., Spartina. Alter.naf lora.. On the bank they wanted-
depth for a boat, this experimental. was put in, was designed. by
Cornell Cooperative Extension, it was: put in. place-. It was much more
successful than any of us could have ever imagined. Now this system.
allows for the applicant. to dredge out., to put in a retaining wal.L
between high and. low water. Plant Spartina.. Alternaflora behind that.,
which is flooded. twice a day, and. the applicant then was allowed. t.o.
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dredge out in front of that, enough area so his float would be in
navigable water.
MS. MOORE: How would that work here, because you have an area- of. the
boat basin, where as the float. . How' s the float going to reach
navigable water. That is the area.
TRUSTEE. HOLZAPFEL.: The bas.in. is going., if I can speak.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Go ahead if you can. make it clear to her
TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL: I think so, in other words., what. . .
MS. MOORE.: Do you want to draw it on top of one of the surveys?
TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL: Let me picture it for you.
MS. MOORE: Alright. I' ll be more visual then..
TRUSTEE. HOLZAPFEL: The boat basin is cutout, but. the. edges. of the: .
boat basin, instead of being: a flat wooden bulkhead, is a tier.. Just
at the lower edge of the high tide, low tide mark there's _a- bed in
which the Spartina is growing. So it provides a margin., it provides
the protection that you need, and. at the same time allows you to
dredge out. And. creat . the float right there. for it to happen, and
what Al was saying is, since it' s their land I suspect that we.might
let them take out another 2 or 3 ' on each side to accommodate this.. I.
would suggest going on a field trip to Strong' s, even talk to Jef.f:.
MS. MOORE: Oh absolutely, but I. would. take my client there to see it.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Oh absolutely, and you might'be putting in fill,
actually. Cause when you put. the bulk., the. retaining wall in, can you
come up please Pat.
MS. MOORE: I think I drew it out, I think I drew out what you were
describing. Your. talking about, like this, steps?
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI.: Well no, just one step really. See here, here' s the
slope, and it kind of comes up straight. And herel-s high tide and
here' s low tide, the wall would go in here. So you'd be able to dig
out whatever you need here. Put the float in the boat, this area.
would get filled in, and planted with grasses. You'd have marsh
ringe, it would stabilize, so your banks are stabile, but you get the
depth.
MS. MOORE: O.K. His concern, I 'm following you, his concern that he:
expressed. to me was, well is the. bank that keeps eroding into there..
TRUSTER. KRUPSKI: No, and that' s what does that. That takes care of
that.
TRUSTEE WENCZEL.: We' re offering you two good solutions. One which is
real low cost, which would be regrade- and just plant. Or two, this is
probably. . .
MS. MOORE: No, I'm listening.
TRUSTEE WENCZEL:. Just as expensive as a regular bulkhead, maybe: a.
little bit more.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: But. we.'ve appr.oved. these. and they work.
TRUSTEE. WENCZEL: So that' s two good. ,solid solutions_..
MS. MOORE: O.K.
TRUSTEE WENCZEL.: One low cost, one high cost.
MS. MOORE.: I' ll go back to Mr. Siriano., take him to Strong'-s . ,
Marina. I' ll talk to Jeff about it.
TRUSTEE. KRUPSKI: Have him call me, if, he' s interested.
TRUSTEE WENCZEL.: You won' t. believe how successful this is... I mean
it' s a beautiful selection.
MS. MOORE: I choose to speak of this proposal. to others., so.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: We were shocked, because it works, it works very
well. And he gets to dig out to whatever depth he. needs to reach the:
canal..
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TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL: And the other alternative- though, I think, just to
throw in front of your client, .is to call to Dept.. of Natural
Resources, Allan Connell. They will work out a whole planting plan,
.for nothing. And tell you, success rate:, and all the other stuff they
can build into. .You have the whole quote " Federal Government" behind
you.
CLERK: You- can call me tomorrow, I ' ll give you his number.
MS. MOORE: Well I' ll give the two solutions., that you've proposed to
him, and we' ll. come back.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: O.K. Thank. you. So you' ll let ustable this.
application tonight. o.k. thanks. a lot.
A motion was made by TRUSTEE- KRUPSKI and seconded by TRUSTEK. WENCZEL.
to table the above application till. April 30, 1997.
5. LAURA ROSENBERG. requests a Wetland Permit. to construct approx.
100' of new bulkhead. to attach. to neighbors existing bulkheads.,,-
reconstruct low profile groin and construct a single family dwelling
as per survey dated January 28, 1997. Located Watersedge. Way, Terry
Waters, Southold. SCTM#88-5-57.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Is there anyone here would like to speak. in favor of
or against this application?
CLERK: Just to note that we have a new survey.
TRUSTEE-KRUPSKI: O.K.
CLERK: Moving the bulkhead back on whatever side., on the straight.
line. I talk to Lou Chiarella, and he said that was fine with him.I
couldn' t figure out the scale, on how long'this. bulkhead is. That's.
why there' s nothing here..
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: O.K. I took a look at. this afterwards., and I called
up Mr. Bertani, and I asked him to explain to the applicant that if
they go in line, basically they're going to lose their beach in front.
TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL:. Right, it would be in the water.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Right, cause they have a beach, and the neighbors:.
built out into the water, and. s.o there..' s no beach. And so he said
that, so I was honest. with him., I said however.. when you leave a piece
in the middle, it' s an odd piece. And you do get problems, because it
is an odd ball piece. So he said he'd get to the applicant- with that.,
and apparently this is. what he got back with. To file the bulkhead
straight across, it's a legal little jog there in the corner. Because
of those jetties, I would imagine that. there' s got to be pretty good
protection there. In a storm event overall, but. I don' t know if
anyone else spoke: to contractors?
TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL.: That seems to make. sense, that' s. what we looked at...
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: O.K. Pete? CAC?
MR. MESKILL: It' s o.k.
TRUSTEE WENCZEL.: How far is this back?
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: No if that' s a 1001 , that' s probably 8' back.
TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL.: 10.
CLERK: I told him 10.
TRUSTEE. HOLZAPFEL.: Yeah, I think it' s 10 peter.
TRUSTEE WENCZEL.: It's 10.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: It' s pretty close. 8'
TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL.: Yeah, I think. that. makes: sense:.
CLERK: What' s the length of the Jetty?
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI.: 30' . Roughly 301 . Did he put it in there.
CLERK: Yeah.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Check the low profile groin.
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CLERK: It says 301 .
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Any other comment?
A motion was made: by TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL and. seconded. by TRUSTEE.
WENCZEL. to close the hearing. ALL. AYES.
A motion was made by TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL and seconded by TRUSTEE KING.
to approve the .above application with 20' non turf buffer and
reconstruct a 30' low profile groin.. ALL. AYES..
6. THEODORR C. MARTZ, JR. requests.. a. Wetland Permit: to construct:
a single family dwelling, sanitary system., well, decks, and driveway.
Also to construct a 4' X 20' fixed dock, 3 ' X. 2.0' ramp. and (2) 4' X
20' floats as per drawing dated. 2/4/97. Located Jackson.'s Landing,
Mattituck... SCTM#k11.3-4-7.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI:. Is there anyone here that wants. to speak 1n. favor of .
or against the application? The concern I had, was the distance from,
the septic system to the marsh. The test hole was on someone else' s
property, but the test hole is not this. Did you construct.. . ..
CLERK: The whole house and septic system has moved out of our
jurisdiction.
TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL_:. Is this the newest plan?
CLERK: This is the newest plan. If you scale it off, you'll see it' s
over, well he- said it' s over 100' .. I don't see it. It' s l in. equals
30.
TRUSTEE WENCZEL: It' s a 100 feet away from the water.
CLERK: Yeah from the- wetland...
TRUSTEE. HOLZAPFEL.:. Well the way i.t' s.' drawn, it' s easily 1.00' away.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Well the point is, I think, the way it's shown is
it' s usually 75' away.
CLERK: DEC made. him move it back a 100' that' s what he told me..
TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL.: That was our concern before.
TRUSTER KRUPSKI: There' s still no test hole data here, but
TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL.: but the house is outside.
MR. JUST: This is the one updated. Chandler Palmer King had neglected
to send Jill copies and they,were .thoroughly reamed out about it
yesterday. By Jill and myself.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Yeah, cause this doesn' t show anything here.
MR. JUST: This shows the modified plan, it' s a 41X 20' stick dock,
with a ramp, and a T-shaped float.
TRUSTEE' KING: Melinowski' s up in here, right?
MR. JUST: He's up at. the. big head. of the cove., John ski- is up here.
There is some:. rocks on. this.. side, but. the channel, hugs that end. of
the harbor there... I don.'t see where there would be any room:.
TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL.: There' s room there..
MR. JUST: That was the- main concern, I was: asked to walk out. I was.
only wearing knee boots that day, 'and I. got a little above the knee-
boots., and I couldn.'t walk. a.ny further for Mr.. Hamilton., you know
with the tape measure- in. my hand. so.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Do I have a motion to close: the hearing?
A motion was made by TRUSTER HOLZAPFEL. and seconded- by TRUSTEE
WENCZEL. to close the hearing. ALL AYES..
A motion was made by TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL and seconded. by TRUSTER KING
to approve the above applicati.on. with subject to new survey and. with
41X 47' fixed. dock, a 31X 20' ramp, and (1) 61X 20' float..
ALL AYES.
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7. RICHARD GREENE. reques.ts a' Wetland Permit for a Wave Abatement
System; approx. 10 - 8' to 12' X 20' rafts to be placed. in. water as
per diagram. Located in water off Albertson Marine, Southold..
SCTM#100056.-6-12.1.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Any one here to. speak in favor of the application.?
MS. RITTER: Hello my name.. is Jackie Ritter, I was. wondering. is,
this permit to support Albertson Marina or other parts of Southold2
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: I think he only wants: to try it for that one area.
MS. RITTER: For how long?
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: That' s a good question? Our intention when we. looked.
at this in the field. Our intention would be to have him do it under
experimental basis.. Where you get. a bottom survey before, just.
before, or you know, as their being placed.. Then maybe. every week,
get another bottom survey,. so that we can see what effect- these
structur.es. are. . . . .
MS. RITTER: Your not saying 6 months. or a. year, your just saying
per week, to see how it goes along?
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: No, I don' t know, no;, that' s a good point. We .
haven' t set a time.
MS. RITTER: I 'm just saying .cause. I live on North Sea Dr. and. I 'm
right next to Kenny's beach, and. the beach is really destroyed. I.
read the article in the- 'paper, and I was real interested in it, and
we' re trying to save- our beach. We' re spending all kinds of money to
try to find out how to save it, and if this device would help., than.
you know. .
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: That's a good point.
MS. RITTER: I'm strongly for. it.
TRUSTEE. KRUPSKI: That' s a good point.
MS. RITTER: And also Orient State Park, that's falling apart, if
you can try something new, instead of spending money on something we
don' t know about, try it you might like it.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Thanks, it's a good idea, and it' s a good point
about the time frame., we don't have a time frame I don' t think.
MS. RITTER: I think so, at least a, year.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Thank: you.
MR. GREENE: You mentioned. a .monitor, the idea was monitored after
a major storm event for 3 or 4 months period. A weekly period, is an
awful lot of monitoring. It's long and extensive. You want it weekly?
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: No, no, I'm nodding my head, I agree with you. I
don' t want it weekly. That' s something we we' re going to formalize
tonight.
TRUSTEE WENCZEL.:. How long are. we going to leave these. her.e?
MR. GREENS.:. As long as you want- to.
TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL.: Do you leave it out during the winter? I'm just
asking. Is. that your intention?
MR. GREENE.: That' s my intention, they will come. inside the
protected. area, during severe icing. And the reason for that.. . .
TRUSTEE WENCZEL.: You. wouldn''t. be able. to. get them out. of there, if
that' s the case...
.MR. GREENE: You would get them in just before they forecast the
real cold... You can. pull them through the slushy ice, you can't, the_
concern is that, during a real. hard- freeze., when., that ice. breaks up in.
a flow, it would run into them and push them into the beach.. It could
damage. them that way, as long: as-- the flow doesn't move, it doesn't
hurt them at all. But. that' s. the only concern about them being in. the
carrier like that. In the deeper water area, you put a screw anchor
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into the bottom, pull them down to the bottom and let the ice_ go
right over top of them. The only time they would be damaged then, is
if the ice really piled up deep,. and. chipped it. But in normal water
areas, where. the ice:.wouldn' t get say 4 or 5' thick.. If we can pull.
them. down the ice can go over them,, when the ice melts, let them up.
Same as if you didn't want to look at them..
TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL.: Where do you stand with DEC,. now.
MR. GREENE: I don't know.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: I think, on this board., we're usually unafraid when
it comes. to trying something new. And I think we would. like to. see
what effect this would have:. But we want to make sure that we know
it' s going to, have an- effect. We like to see- the area., you would have
to get a licensed survey, as you- did. it.
MR. GREENE-: Please not a licensed. survey.
TRUSTEE. KRUPSKI.: Well. how would. you survey? Because I want something
really, especially before and after.. Now when I. said weekly even if
you did it every month, with a stick. You know your own, somebody go
out their and do 3 or 4 points every month, but. . .
MR. GREENE: May I come up and approach, and give you a diagram?
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Please do.
MR. GREENE'.: O.K. Do you have a diagram up there? I have the perfect
picture of it, it will give you. a good idea. This- line would be my-
base line-. What I. proposed to do was work off this base line and
start probably at the dock. And in this area, take them like 25'
apart. Where this slope starts: up, which is only about 6' away from.
the low tide, do that on maybe 5' intervals., to get to the top. Then
go to 25' intervals., then. where thi.s_ stak.e is. go in 10' intervals..,
because this is a long s.lope.. And. then once_ we. get. out here where the
bottom flattens- off-again., go 25' intervals. Go down the:' beach 50' or
100' do the same thing. Come out here 50' or 100' and do the same
thing. So when your talking about a survey that .I proposed to- do,
your talking about an extensive survey, which will give you good
data. It' s not something your going to. do in. 10 min.
TRUSTEE: KRUPSKI.: But how often. do, you.' propose to do that? Just. twice?
MR. GREENE: After a major storm event, if you like, and after every
four months.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI OH., every four months a.k.
TRUSTEE WENCZEL: Sounds good. Where's your reference stake going to
be, up on the island?
MR. GREENE: There' s two reference stakes on the island, actually
there's 3 right now. I work off lay line stock line and the side of
the bate house.. I forgot the measurements on here that. I can. always_
pick back off. As long as that i.sn' t. wiped. away in a hurricane;. then-
we're good.
TRUSTEE WENCZEL: Sounds good.
MR. GREENS: I mean if you have -any specifics that youwant me to: do?
TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL: Yes, are you going to take the measurements?
MR. GREENE: Yes, with a le:ve.l.
TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL.: O.K. I understand, but. you. als.o want it to work
out. Do you know what I mean in a sense. So it might be safer for-
yourself, to have somebody else do the. . .
MR. GREENE.: My pockets. not that. deep. I would invite a board member
to assist me taking the survey to a. certifier..
TRUSTEE. HOLZAPFEL:. Or Bay Constable, one or the. other.
MR. GREENE: Sure, if you would like me to do that- for you..
TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL: No I'm just saying for your own sake:.
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MR. GREENE: That' s fine with me, if one of you. would like to come,
witness it, help do it, that would be fine.. Bay Constables..
TRUSTEE WENCZEL.; Bay Constable sounds good.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: It does.make.- sense::.
MR. GREENE`: When is the town going to take it's next airiel photo?
TRUSTEE WENCZEL..: I have no idea...
CLERK: I don't think it' s in the near future., the: town just did. them.
in 94.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: You can order them though..
MR. GREENE.: I know $200 something: dollar.s`.-
TRUSTEE: HOLZAPFEL.: Oh I thought it was like $75 for a block. I 'm not
saying a. whole set., just. one.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: From. the_ county?
TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL: No from the private.
MR.. GREENE: From the- private, it' s $2.80.00, I think for one. I
checked it.
CLERK: Yeah I remember, cause I got, they took airiel around my block
and sent notices. It was $150.00 if I wanted a .picture of my house,.
which they already took.
MR. GREENE: Yeah, but that wasn' t a scale.
CLERK: Yeah that. wasn_'t scaled., right that. was just a plain picture
of a house.
TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL: When you do. get. your next permit from DEC, when
you do, I think. .it.' s critical to do it in seasons, not just in any
four months. I think there' s a definite beach change in the winter,
summer, you know, so that' s what I'.m saying we should set up a.
schedule., when it comes, time. Cause you want to catch the winter
beach, if you. can. You want to catch the summer beach, and. they
change.
MR. GREENE: What we really need is to have it there now. Because.
this is the time.
TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL.: We have no problem.
MR. GREENE: I know, it' s just that, I.'ve got a problem with DEC.
TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL: Right.
MS. RITTER: Excuse me, how many unitss do we need for this?
TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL: There' s a diagram up here, of what he' s proposing..
MS. RITTER: You mean like 4 or 5.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Would you like to see it?
TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL: Take a look at the aerial.photo is probably the
best. This is. what it looks like.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: There will. be more or less, a flush with the water?
MR. GREENE: ah 6 inches above, then I have a sign on them.
TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL: So there' s like a bunch here and a bunch there-. It
just gives you a visu.al. of what it is.
TRUSTEE. KRUPSKI.: Any other comment?
MS. RITTER.: Is there: a light on. it or something, or you know.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: He also has to get DEC, and Coast Guard approval..
And. Army Corp. , and engineers approval—They will regulate him. as. far
as lights., signs., bell.s., or whistles, or whatever you. need. there.. Any
other comment?
MR. MCDUFFY: I 'd like to. ask a question. I 'm from Lagoon
Association, you asked. about the DEC, on. where. they stood. on it.. You
guys support it but where does the DEC stand on it?
TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL.: That' s why I asked. the question, there's been. some
negative sense.
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MR. MCDUFFY: And who' s job is it to get the DEC permits, and. is the
town going to help them get that?
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: I would be happy to speak to the DEC, how long have'
you been dealing with there..
MR. MCDUFFY: Well., I've run- into a stumbling block.. As far as, I'm.
not well adverse to all of the. Dec 'law. I 've had a problem with them,
and every time I, fill out something, they want something more... I
don't know where to go. And. that's why I hired him...
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Have you contacted anyone there yet?
. MR. MCDUFFY: Originally, they give you a fast short story, last.
summer Chuck Hamilton. was here. He was introduced.during the Kenney'-s
Beach thing. I handed him one of 'my little blue flyers:, and said your
the thorn in my side- After the meeting he invited me to come in and
sit down with him and talk about i.t.. Then he said one of our men wi11.
write up the permit:, and put it through, well he only wrote half of
it, then they come back and want something, I have no idea. how to
handle. I was told. a demonstration, I. was told I was. going to be
fined a $10J.000. 00 a day for water other than my body, or my.
registered boat. Well that' s why I, Mr. Fitzgerald, I got him
working on it, beca that
-is
he knows the law better than I do. And tha 's
where it stands. . I attempted. to do a demonstration on Orient State:
Park, and I was told that this would break apart. I was lucky enough
to have it in the water in different places., for about 8 years now. .
It' s never broken apart.
MR. FITZGERALD: One of the thingsyou can do, if they let us, they
indicated they needed a. lead. agency as a negative declaration.. Even
though you may not think it's a type, whatever it. is.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Well we've been unburdened of the regulatory fiasco.
that was secret, that. the state created.. Then. they were handed, to us..,.
and then now, this past- year, they; have taken that back. We don't do
type 1, and type 2 anymore. Whichiis the reason we can give you a
permit now. If. you would like. I contact Chuck Hamilton,, on your
behalf, and see. if I can't see what's happening. Because the state
can be fairly cooperative sometimes. If you can get a hold of them.
MR. FITZGERALD: How indeed is it going to. affect, . adversely affect it.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Well you know, you don't know unless you try it.
really. That was our feeling I think. Alright. If you would 'like I'd
contact. Mr. Hamilton, and see what he says. Well maybe Jim should
contact him.
TRUSTEE KING: I ' ll give him a call.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI::. Could. -you give. him a call?
TRUSTEE KING.: Sure.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: O.K. I think all your trying to do. is slow down the
water velocity so the particl.es_ settle_ out. That' s what it looks like.
to us. Any other comment? Do I have a motion to close the hearing?
A motion was made by TRUSTEE WENCZEL. and, seeanded by TRUSTEE:
HOLZAPFEL. to close the heating:. ALL AYES.
A motion was made by TRUSTEE KRUPSKI and seconded by TRUSTEE WENCZEL
to approve the above application. for one year., from the start. of all,
other permits, gr.anted. surveys before and after every 4 months.
ALL AYES.
8. DOCKO, Inc. on behalf of HAY HARBOR CLUB requests. a Wetland.
Permit to maintenance dredge +/-3 ' in a 15' X. 15' area off existing
.dock used f.or diving and swimming. Spoil. will be de-wateredand_ then.
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removed to an approved upland site. Requests that permit run with
DEC ( 5 Yrs?) . Located Bell Hill. Ave. , Fishers. Island. SCTM#9-3-1,3.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Is there anyone here that would like to speak. in
favor of, or against the application? Jim any comment?
TRUSTEE KING: Yeah I looked at it, at the siting Thursday. I guess
they changed it, because where they wanted. to. put the spoils. was
ridiculous... They were: going to. dredge it up and. take it by truck. to
another dock, and bring it down to this other place. And there was.
like a 500' catwalk, how were they going to get it out there? So I
guess there going to put it. somewhere else-, that' s fine.
TRUSTER KRUPSKI! O.K. Any other comment? Can I have a motion to close
the hearing?
A motion was made by TRUSTER KRUPSK1 and seconded by TRUSTEE:
HOLZAPFEL to close the hearing. ALL AYES.
A motion was made by TRUSTEE KING and seconded by TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL
to approve the above apglication. as said. ALL AYES.
9. THE LAGOON ASSOCIATION requests a Wetland Permit to maintenance
dredge to a depth of 6' below mean low water to remove approx. 300
c.y. of material. from the channel. of South. Lagoon and excavate 2000
c.y. of material built up on the beach above MHW south of the
channel, with all ma.terial. to be disposed north of the channel on the
beach above SHWL. Also requests permit to expire May 31, 2002. as
per DEC Permit. Located Nassau Point, Cutchogue. SCTM#118-2-.11.2.
PUBLIC HEARING WILL NOT' BE_ HELD. Activity does. not require: a full
permit. (See Amendments:/Waivers/Changes) .
10. J.M.O. Consulting on behalf of J.N.C. HOLDINGS requests a.
Wetland Permit to construct a 4' X 20' elevated dock, 4' X 10' ramp
and. a 6' X 20' float .as per survey dated Located The Gloaming,
Fishers Island. SCTM #10-9-19.1.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Would anyone like. to comment on this?
CLERK: .Helen Best., the neighbor, saw the plans and has no objections..
And Steve, his only concern is to make sure the dock does not go in
the channel, and I told him -that Jim had that concern and they felt
it was not going in the channel.
MR. JUST: I think that when they were there, there was no water left
in the harbor, there was still green stuff in there. There was
extreme:, extreme low tide.. This is the one updated, Chandler Palmer
King, had neglected to send Jill copies.. They were thoroughly reamed
out about it yesterday. By Jill and myself.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI.: I doesn't show anything. here:.
MR. JUST: This shows the modified plan, it shows a 4'X 20' stick
dock, with a ramp and a T-Shaped float. There' s some. rocks- on this..
side, but. the. chann.el hugs. that end. of the: harbor there. I was asked
to walk out., and I was. only wearing knee: boots: that day. I got a
little above the knee boots and I couldn't walk any further for Mr.
Hamilton, you. know, with the tape. measure in my hand- so.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Do I have a motion to close the hearing?
A motion was made: by TRUSTEE- HOLZAPFEL and seconded by TRUSTEE. KING
to close the. hear.ing.
A motion was made by TRUSTEE KING and seconded by TRUSTEE: HOLZAPFEL.
to approve the above application as. said. ALL. AYES.
Board of Trustees 24 March 26, 1997
11. J.M.O. Consulting on behalf of' DONALD MC ALLISTER requests a
Wetland Permit to construct a swimming pool., brick terrace, brick
deck, brick wall, steps, +/- 40' of stone retaining wall, +/- 56' of
brick wall., regrade area- Within. cons.truction. f.00.tprint, construct.
pool equipment pad., to install +/-112' of silt fencing with staked
hay bales and to install plantings. All construction activity is to
take place 75' from freshwater wetlands as per survey dated 1./21/97.
Located Private Road-, Fishers Island.. SCTM. #4-4-1.
TRUSTEE. KRUPSKI: Is there anyone. here that would like. to speak. in.
favor of the applicant?
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: . Also .any activity- within 75' requires action by the
board- for grading or filling..
MR. JUST: I went out with Jim, Mr. Hamilton and Steve Lawrence back
in June of 96. Steve flagged the fresh water wetlands line, the grass.
. was probably 5 high. on me at that time. Myself and. Hamilton went
there last month we all thought we were at the wrong site. Cause what
the guy had done is take down the DEC wetland flags, mowed it, then
attached the wetland flags to the stumps.
TRUSTEE KING: Right down to the high water marks.
He went right through..
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI.: When did he do this.?
MR. JUST He did it, we found out they do it every year in the month.
of November and December. They slash and. burn once a year.
TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEI.: DEC fine them?
MR. JUST: Actually the DEC is just going to tell them, if you want to
do it, get a permit to do from now on.. Cause- all- it' s doing i.s
keeping out. endangered. species_. If you want a permanent. path. for the
beach, cause what is here, this is fresh water. Then you. get down
here, and you have Fishers. Island. Sound, if you want a path. to bring
a boat, or to walk down to the beach, than we will give you that..
They 're going to say in their violation that their having right now,
� again. if you want to come. in this.. area, it is a regulated. area.. Your
going to have to. have a permit-- to do so. They' re not going to make
him do any re-vegetation because everything' s going to grow right
back in, it was just. mowed.
TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL: So is this all out of our jurisdiction now?
MR. JUST: Actually the activity of the mowing is in your
jurisdiction, the construction activity is located just on the
outside. of it. Almost a foot or two. And. on Fisher' s we always. try to
be more safe than sorry, cause the past history of the place. It' s a
very common occurrence on. Fisher' s Island, mowing and burning, when
we were out there the last. time, we had. the. fire rangers? .The forest
rangers. And their going from property to property. They went to the
harbor club, the big golf course., and out. there they do like they do
on a ranch. They burn once a. year..
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI::' Kill the ticks..
MR. JUST: They don.'t have much way of ticks...
TRUSTEE. KRUPSKI_: That' s. why.
MR. JUST: There's no deer. Well plenty of bunnies, but no deer.
There' s no ticks to speak of, and it' s a natural tool for biologist.
You burn. that stuff, off and. brings. back the fresh and the. good.
vegetation and that's good for the wildlife... As long: as your not
disturbing the root system alongg this area, your not opposing any
type of harm..
TRUSTEE.. KRUPSKI.: Sure, o.k. I make. a motion to close the. hearing.
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A motion was made by TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL and seconded by TRUSTEE
WENCZEL to close the hearing. ALL AYES.
A motion was. made by TRUSTER KING and seconded by TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL
to approve the above application as. said.. ALL. AYES.
12. Suffolk Environmental Consulting- on behalf. of DENNIS AND DIANE
HARKOFF requests a Wetland. Permit. to construct a single family
dwelling, deck ,garage, gravel. driveway, septic and well. Approx.
1,322. c.y. of fill will be trucked in.. Located: Meadow Lane.,
Cutchogue. SCTM #116-2-26. '
TRUSTEE. KRUPSKI.: Any comment. Bruce?
MR. AND I think it's really simple, the only regulated aspect.
of this is the 50' buffer here.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: There' s very little: we: can- get aggravated about
here, I know, I 'm trying to look at the survey, and come up with
something here. Yeah. the clearing., if. you want to add another
clearing, they can clear it for a view. That' s fine-
MR. ANDERSON: They can trim for a view.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Thank You. The 50' , it says- 50' here, does it say
50' of what, or does_ it. just say 501 , oh clearing limits o.k. So that
would be, so can we just put in the permit, trim for a view,. trimming
for a view, is. permitted..
MR. ANDERSON: Another thing. you might want to say is there is a lot.
of cat brier in their. I don't know how you feel about cat brier.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI.: I like. it, people don.' t walk- through your yard.
MR.. ANDERSON: For that, you have: to close- the structure, and then.
come back to do something with the cat brier. Either make it part of
this permit or at a later date. I think it' s going: to be a problem
down the road..
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: How are they going to control it? I mean with the
trees, I don't know if you can get a piece of equipment in their
really.
MR. ANDERSON: I would like to be able. to have you build., maybe cut
some of that stuff.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: How though?
MR. ANDERSON: I don't want to . . . .
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI : Mow it?
MR. ANDERSON: No, Shear it by hand.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: No no no, that's what I 'm saying, go with the trim,
mechanically, including the chain saw.
MR. ANDERSON: Part. of my application., seeing this.. place.. I think it
might happen any way.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI : I mean. once they put the house up, there going to
see, this tree has to go, or these limbs have to go. That' s why I
don't want to even say by hand, because there going to go out with a
bow saw? We don' t want to see it again.
MR. ANDERSON: the load to fill. is. approximately 40.' or there:'s one:
section that' s really very minor.. .
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: The property is. sort. of like a bowl.
MR. ANDERSON: We need to do it before regulations, anyway..
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: That's fine. Thanks., CAC recommends approval.
Haybales_ be used. during construction, 20' non-turf buffer, actually
it would. be a 50' non-turf buffer.
A motion was made by TRUSTER KRUPSKI and seconded. by TRUSTEE
HOLZAPFEL. to close the hearing.. ALL AYES..
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Board of Trustees 26 March 26, 1997
A motion was made by TRUSTEE KRUPSKI. and seconded by TRUSTEE.
HOLZAPFEL to approve the above application. subject to trim within 50,
of non-turf buffer, mechanically, CAC recommends. approval... Also- a 5.0'
set back with path to the water. ALL AYES.
V. RESOLUTIONS:
None
VI. MOORINGS:
1. ROBERT COADY requests a mooring in East Creek for a 25'
Catalina with a 1.001b mushroom... Access:. Own property.
A motion was made by TRUSTEE KRUPSKI and. seconded by TRUSTEE.
HOLZAPFEL to approve the above application. ALL AYES.
2. WILLIAM. C. LEN.GYEL requests a mooring in East Creek for a 19'
Dynamglass with for and aft anchors. Access: Public.
A motion was made by TRUSTEE KRUPSKI and seconded by TRUSTEE
HOLZAPFEL to approve the above application- wi.th. subject to For Aft.,
and enough water at law tide. Do not block channel. ALL AYES.
3 . MIKE. JORDON requests a mooring. in Little Creek for a 19, sail
boat with a 1251b mushroom. Access: Public.
A motion was made by TRUSTEE KRUPSKI and seconded by TRUSTEE
HOLZAPFEL. to approve the above application- as said.. ALL AYES.
4. RICHARD FEVOLA requests- a mooring in East Creek for a 20'
Chapanell with 2251b mushroom. Access: Own Property.
A motion was made by TRUSTEE KRUPSKI and. seconded by TRUSTEE.
HOLZAPFEL to approve the above application as said with subject to
For Aft. ALL AYES..
5. BARBARA CLAPS requests a. mooring permit in Arshamomaque. Creek.
for an on shore, off shore stake on owned. property.
A motion was made by TRUSTEE WENCZEL and seconded by TRUSTEE KRUPSKI
with subject to inspection by TRUSTEE WENCZEL.. ALL AYES.
MEETING ADJOURNED. AT 9: 45 PM
RESPECTFULLY SUBMITTED �BY
DARLENE M. HUBBARD, CLERK
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