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HomeMy WebLinkAboutTR-01/28/1998 Albert J.Krupski, President �O$UFFO[�►C Town Hall James King,Vice-President �O D�j 53095 Main Road Henry Smith p y1 P.O.Box 1179 cz Artie Foster coo Z Southold,New York 11971 Ken Poliwoda Q y • �� Telephone(516) 765-1892 ®1 �a� Fax(516) 765-1823 BOARD OF TOWN TRUSTEES TOWN OF SOUTHOLD MINUTES JANUARY 28, 1998 PRESENT WERE: Albert J. Krupski, President James King, Vice-President Artie Foster, Trustee Ken Poliwoda, Trustee Henry Smith, Trustee Diane J. Herbert, Clerk CALL MEETING TO ORDER PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE NEXT FIELD INSPECTION: Wednesday, February 18, 1998 at 12 noon TRUSTEE KING moved to approve, TRUSTEE SMITH seconded. ALL AYES NEXT TRUSTEE MEETING: Wednesday, February 25, 1998 at 7 : 00 pm TRUSTEE KING moved to approve, TRUSTEE FOSTER seconded. ALL AYES APPROVE MINUTES: Approved minutes of November 18, & December 17, 1997 meeting: TRUSTEE SMITH moved to approve, TRUSTEE KING seconded. I . MONTHLY REPORT: The Trustees monthly report for December 1997 : A check for $10,652 .57 was forwarded to the Supervisor' s Office for the General Fund. II . AMENDMENTS/WAIVERS/CHANGES': 1 . Costello Marine on behalf of NEIL_ SIMON?requests an Amendment to Permit #359 to change an existing "T" dock to an "L" by installing existing 6 ' X 16 ' float on north side in an "L" configuration, install existing 4 ' X 14 ' ramp to access float from dock with 3- 2 pile dolphins, as per new drawings and plans submitted and received January 27, 1998. Located: 60 Harbor Lights Drive, Southold. SCTM #71-2-11.3 TRUSTEE SMITH moved to approve, TRUSTEE FOSTER seconded. ALL AYES 2 . Costello Marine on behalf of DR. THOMAS MC DONAGH`,' requests an Amendment to Permit #4596 to construct a 62 ' interlocking retaining wall approx. 2 ' above grade plus an 8 ' return on the south side 91. 5 ' from the corner of the decking as indicated on the enclosed plans, which is 26 ' landward of the . south side of the surveyor' s stake, and on the north side at the existing property monument. Located: 765 West Cedar Beach Drive, Southold. SCTM #90-1-6 TRUSTEE SMITH moved to approve, TRUSTEE KING seconded. ALL AYES 3 . -Larry Tuthill on behalf of 'CRESCENT BEACH CONDO'S requests an Amendment to Permit #4669 to install splash board system with 2" spacing. -Located: off Maple Lane, Orient Harbor. SCTM - #381-1 to 22 TRUSTEE KRUPSKI moved to recess this application until February, TRUSTEE KING seconded. ALL AYES 4-.___Dav_id -Riv s er on behalf of _ELSA RIVERS' requests an .-Amendment to Permit #4548�to replace an existing piling, and add two standoff piles. Located: off "The Gloaming" , Fishers Island. SCTM #10-9-15. 4 TRUSTEE KING moved to approve, TRUSTEE SMITH seconded. ALL AYES 5. DAVID- _KELLERAN- requests a Waiver to install a split rail fence around property, relocate outdoor shower and extend existing porch as per survey. Located: Richmond Road East, Southold. SCTM #53-5-12. 6 TRUSTEE KING moved to approve, TRUSTEE SMITH seconded. ALL AYES 6. RICHARD MAKELY requests aNWaive-r-=mot$ build a 12' X 16 ' shed. Located: 3537 Paradise Point Road, Southold. SCTM #81-1-16. 3 TRUSTEE SMITH moved to approve, TRUSTEE KING seconded. ALL AYES 7. LWALTER- WI:& requests a -Waiver t'o repair the foundation, replace decking, replace stairs and replace the roof of the porch attached to existing house. Located: 4605 Stillwater Ave. , Cutchogue. SCTM #137-3-5 TRUSTEE SMITH moved to approve, TRUSTEE FOSTER seconded. ALL AYES 8. Diane Herold on behalf of-'P-ATRICK COLAGIURI'4 requests a Waver for chain link fences along property constructed prior to 1991. Located: 2950 Park Ave. , Mattituck. SCTM #123-8-18 TRUSTEES SMITH moved to approve, TRUSTEE KING seconded. ALL AYES 'III_.-- PUBLIC NOTICES: Public Notices are posted on the Town Clerk' s Bulletin Board for review. TRUSTEE KING moved to go off the regular meeting and go onto the Public Hearings, TRUSTEE SMITH seconded. ALL AYES IV HEARINGS? THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING. IN THE MATTER OF THE FOLLOWING APPLICATIONS FOR PERMITS UNDER THE WETLANDS ORDINANCE OF THE TOWN OF SOUTHOLD. I HAVE AN AFFIDAVIT OF PUBLICATION FROM THE 3 SUFFOLK TIMES. PERTINENT CORRESPONDENCE MAY BE READ PRIOR TO ASKING FOR COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC. PLEASE KEEP YOUR COMMENTS ORGANIZED AND BRIEF: FIVE (5) MINUTES OR LESS, IF POSSIBLE 1. -NANCY & JOSEPH _KARDWELL- request a Wetland. Permit= for a 15' wide passageway to beach 250 ' long, with possible retaining wall. Located: 1100 Back Land & Munn Lane, Orient. SCTM #17-2-15 . 4 TRUSTEE KRUPSKI : I ' ll move to recess this until next month as per the request of the applicant. 2. Joe Fischetti on behalf of:JOS_EPH LICCARDI & .CATHERINE c�PINqs'requests a LWetlarid Permit to install a 90 ' block retaining wall 3 1/2 ' to 5' high with 2- 6' returns and backfill with approx. 30 c.y. of clean sand. Located: 50 Cleaves Point Road, East Marion. SCTM #38-2-31 -TRUSTEE. KRUPSKI :` Is there anyone here who would 1like to speak in favor of or against this application? The CAC recommended approval. ' We were at the site twice and we spoke with the consultants and we tabled. it for questions. Does the Board have. any comment on it? TRUSTEE_-FOSTER.: That was a change to go from an 8" footing down to 24" . TRUSTEE__KRUPSKI;: He has erosion there. It will be interesting ' to see whether he looses his beach like the neighbors or whether he is gonna. . . . .it depends on whether he gets the right storm. Any other comment? TRUSTEE_-.SMITH: I ' ll make a motion to close the hearing. -TRUSTEE. _KING: Second. ALL AYES TRUSTEE SMITH-: I ' ll make a motion we approve this application. . TRUSTEE -KING Second. ALL AYES TRUST'EE _KRUPSKI Before we vote, behind a regular bulkhead like that we would require a non-turf buffer. So we could put in a 10 ' non-turf buffer behind the. . . .because it. will be dug up there. We don' t want the lawn to run right up to the edge of the pin and drop off so whatever the disturbance that they re-do it. .TRUSTEE- SMITH: How about if they put a drywell. in away from the bulkhead. TRUSTEE_ KRUPSKI:.� We could go with that but if the water comes over-the top;- the turf doesn' t give you much holding power. Usually it gets washed out. If he puts some sort of bush in it will.-hold it. ;.TRUSTEE _FOSTER': If I remember that was all sand out there wasn' t it? TRUSTEE KRUPSKI�: Right. He doesn' t really have a lawn there now. TRUSTEE SMITH: Someone might want to, for an aesthetic reason, they might want a lawn up there, but if they put in a dry well that might work out better than a non-vegetated- buffer. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI : , But he can come in and amend ' it though. So we' ll make the provision for a 10 ' buffer. ALL AYES - y 3 . U. A. Retirement Communities on behalf of , PECONIC LANDING requests a Wetland Permit' for the construction of residential life care community complex buildings consisting of 118 single family detached cottages, 132 apartment units, a 24 unit assisted living center and a 32 bed. skilled care center, and expansion of existing ponds, construct new .ponds, construct a storm water detention pond/wetland and bio-filtration system for mitigation of water pollution due to storm water runoff. Located: north side of Main Road approx. 1,100 feet east of Sound Road,- LILCO pole #47-53, Greenport. SCTM 035-1-25 ,_TRUSTEE- KRUPSKI Is there anyone here who would like to speak on behalf- .of this application? TOM-WOLPERT:, I believe we made our initial application back in November. 1997, since that time there is, I believe on Jan: 14, we had a 'joint discussion with the members of the Board of Trustees as well as members of the Conservation"Advisory Council and the -NYSDEC. This is tidal_ wetlands. There was no one there at that joint discussion .from the fresh water wetlands as we had expected. Several days following that joint di-scussion I submitted an amended -project description because I think that at the last meeting that we had there was some confusion as to whether or not the proposed action was within (could not hear, shuffling of papers) and the answer to that is most definitely yes. There will be some clearing and grading and some excavation and what you refer to as the north wetlands and the south wetlands. The two wetlands are the same project and I think they each have particular characteristics that should be considered when you evaluate out proposal to do this. The north wetland is sometimes inundated by tidal waters makes it different that the south wetland which is mostly a percolated wetland. We are here to answer any questions that the Board may have, and theCAC, and if I may depending on the nature of the ;questions I will refer to the appropriate person. TRUSTEE_FOS.TER`: Tom, you have made changes? This plan is different? MR. _WOLPERTc) No, we have not made any changes since our plan dated_-Dec. 17, 1997. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: No, you just said something about an amended plan. MR._-._WOLP-ERT1 No, I submitted a week ago or two weeks ago, an amended project description which was a little more definitive when we talk about the line of material where we are excavating and the area of land that we were looking to do with the labor. Our proposal is to excavate approx. 20,000 c.y. to create a new pond which is southerly of the existing pond. And also that north wetland we' re talking about regrading about a third of an acre. Our idea is to enhance these wetlands to make it more productive. We'd like to go in there and remove the phragmites and we can talk about the value of doing this. When we talk about excavating approx. 12,000 c.y. to create a new pond southerly of the existing pond. And associate the regrading of about 1/2 acre. The third pond, which is really a pond that we are creating is the bio-filtration system. The old method of dealing with storm water drainage was oppose leaching pools where it stops. But we'd like to take this project into the next century using state of the art and best available technology. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI : Actually we've seen some sumps in town that have turned into some very nice fresh water wetlands. So it is possible. MR. WOLPERTP I don't doubt that that happens but I think with our proposal it will happen sooner because we are going to actually create a wetland. TRUSTEE _KRUPSKI : Do you have anything on a little bit different scale here because it' s really. . . . . .when you -get the project description here it' s really general. And then when you see this it' s -very general. MR. _ WOLPERT,. I have a smaller map of the two wetland areas that may be helpful. This map shows the flagging that we have done with numbered stakes that might be useful. TRUSTEE- KRUPSKI: The topography here is the existing grade is it. . . .what would the final grade be, like in the new wetland area? ,MR." W_OLPERT We are gonna actually create a fresh water pond which will be 6 to 8 feet in depth of standing water. TRUSTEE—KRUPSKI: No, I mean in the new wetland area. JEFF_ _SEEMAN: It will be approx. (could not hear him) ._TRUSTEE- KRUPSKI: And currently the area - is phragmites? MR_.=_WOLPERTn Your looking at the north wetlands now? TRUSTEE KRUPSKI:j I am. MR. WOLPERT,. The significant portion of the northerly wetland is hragmites particularly the southerly half of that. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Is the phragmites area defined as the new wetlands? Is that the limit of the phragmites to the south or is that. . . .does the phragmites continue on to the south? _MR. WOLPERT ) I believe the map that you are looking at show the limit of the existing wetlands. And we would be . looking to expand that. TRUS_ TEE _KRUPSKD: Into the area that' s phragmites. MR.-_WOLPERT`? And beyond. JOH_N DUSSLING: The phragmites exist within the wetland boundaries as well as. . . . .just slightly beyond that wetland boundary because that particular species will grow actually above anywhere of a depth of about 4 feet below the surface water elevation. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI': That's what. . . . . . .but there is a boundary. -But that' s what I want to know in respect to your new wetland boundary. Where is the phragmity boundary and I see where the topography is it looks like it comes up very steeply. Is there a clearly defined line where the phragmites stops there? . MR.___DUSSLING 0 Yes, there' s a clear line where the phragmites stop, but when you do a wetland restoration that requires excavation of phragmites it is strongly suggested that we cut your new wetland edge beyond the existing edge because of the rise zone direction that might be running upland of the phragmites. So we' ll have to over excavate then come back and backfill to a suitable elevation with appropriate soil. Soil that will support wetland species. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Again, the description is very general. There was a project, and I am not exactly sure if it was similar in scope to this or not, down on Robin Island a few years ago, where there was a wetland comprised entirely of phragmites. It was restores. The phragmites were completely removed, the pond was re-excavated and it was completely restored to a fresh water wetland. They did a beautiful job. I don' t know if you are aware of that project. It was very successful. It was very similar, fresh water, but it was really adjacent to the bay as this is adjacent to the sound. MR. DUSSLING: r-,Periodically it was inundated with salt water. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Maybe on a really big storm. There' s someone in the back who might put some light on this. how is that pond going on the south end of Robins Island? GLEN_N--JUST: It' s MR. -WOLPERT:-) And that is our intent to enhance the wetland that is there and end up with a- wetland that would be more productive. -TRUS.TEE. KRUPSKI : Now I don' t know what the State requires as far as (changed tape) the removal of the phragmities. It seems like we could get a more descriptive in the description as far as exactly how your gonna do it. This is really general. MR. -SEEMA.R: We. received a letter from the DEC that typically requested that we not advance to a planting plan until they had an opportunity to verify our delineation lines. I apologize, . at the last hearing I was scheduled to attend the field meeting and Mr. Wolpert attended in my place. The fresh water wetland biologist I had expected would verify my..line did not participate and he would really be the one I would expect to coordinate both the final grading and plan selection of where. We have a letter here that asks us not to go too much farther. We can address all the comments in that much detail without some of the States input. MR. WOLPERT: What- we -are trying to do here is to gather input from this Board, as well as the tidal wetlands and New York . State, Public Environmental Conservation and then deal with other comments. ,_TRUSTEE- KRUPSKI): I think that' s my comment, that we need a lot more information. I think what it means is a more comprehensive- on-site inspection with the appropriate people from the State and then we can make those determinations on the site and then we can have a better picture of not only what' s gonna be done - but how it' s gonna be done. MR. SEEMANc: We could probably answer some of the questions -with typical cross section and a typical planting plan that would give you some quantity and species types of what we would typically select. There are two complications with that. One is that would still require the States input and wetland planting schemes as you' have probably learned from the Robins Island experiment that you not always lend yourselves to purely to a design plan. It' s a little touchy feel artist, what else do you find there that was or was not growing, certain soil characteristics regarding compassion, bulk density and this type of thing, that you really have to fiddle with. I don't think we are prepared to do this. That would really go more .towards construction plan type work. So I think though we could provide you with some detail of what we would like to do. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Yes, I think that would be a good place to start. Plant list and also you said general cross section about how your gonna. proceed. And I understand what your saying how it' s not gonna be cut and dry because the area is so variable. MR.-_SEEMAN-: We also don't know until we actually get some specific localized soil information what we have to do to adjust the slopes to make sure that that water line will wet those species but at not run into a clay layer that' s gonna isolate that- TRUSTEE KRUPSKI : When would you do that? .-MR. SEE_MAX�, I guess we're in between ' the chicken and the egg' . I, don' t know if we can do anything within 100' of wetland line- without approval. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Then I guess we should meet, and again, I would rather have the State there, so you don' t have to duplicate everything, we should meet with the State and if you could have some specifics, like the exploratory areas you want to go into, and excavate and what not. And then we could discuss those right on site so we could keep this moving along. ,TRUSTEE SMITH: You' can test bore them. -TRUSTEE--KRUPSKI?: I think they have to do more than that. MR. - SEEMAN: Ideally, to get in there with a backhoe and lay open a nice trench and we can take a good look and see what' s underneath that layer of. the phragmities. It is important that you don' t really get to see that in small -salt water. It doesn'-t -give--you enough information on the profile of that soil. TRUSTEE-KRUPSKI: It sounds .reasonable, but again, it' s better if the States there and we' re there and everyone' s on the same page and we take it. step by step with the State. our goals are gonna be the same as theirs. MR. SEEMAN: Can we take that then as somewhat as a formal request that we can go back to the State and advise them that you would like us get that information as well? TRUSTEE KRUPSKI : I don't see how we could proceed without it really— To- be honest with you. I don' t see how we can make a decision on such a general description without really knowing what' s there. _MR. SEEMAN,�: Would you prefer that we took the lead and arrange for the site inspection, or is it easier to simply. . . . . . TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Why don' t you just contact Diane tomorrow and she will try to help you arrange it. We've got .quite a few different things on our agenda for early February. We've quite a few little meetings going on and it' s gonna be hard to date. Anyone else have any concerns about this? MR. SEEMAN-� With regard to the removal of some- of the other plantings we did talk about, some of the more important trees and things,. that we would tag where the cut lines would be in the field so maybe we could do that before the field meeting and people can see where some of the cutting will take place. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI : Sure. Again our jurisdiction is only 7.5 ' from the -wet-lands so a lot of that may be out of our jurisdiction also. I ' ll make motion to recess the public hearing. .TRUSTEE SMITH: So moved. TRUSTEE KING: Second. ALL AYES $. Craig Arm on behalf. of iROBERT & ANN SHANK' requests aWetland! Permit ,�to raise existing house & decks, construct new roof system to accommodate future second -floor, remove existing brick patio, add a new 1 story addition, construct new covered porch and remove old one, add new stairs on front and west side of house, parking area to be raised 3 .6' with permeable stone to a new elevation of 6.51 , add 44' of new rock retaining wall on west side of property, existing boardwalk to be raised and covered, existing storage shed to be removed, and existing abandoned pipe to be removed. .Located: 5 Haywaters Road, Cutchogue. SCTM #11.1-1-19. 1 , TRUSTEE- KRUPSKI,: Is there anyone here who would like to speak on behalf of the application? _=DeOU-G_.MC GAHAN � The owners are not here to speak so I 'm here to answer any questions. Right now I 'm working across the road and it all seems pretty much in the wetlands. In fact residences are abutting the creek (cannot hear him, shuffling of papers) You can see the plans of the house on that and you know what the house looks like now. To improve the property value, I 've done two house in that area and the only reason I 'm here is because that' s (could not hear him) , to improve the value of property and neighborhood and -improve the. local community. We're just asking for your support and if there are any questions as far as the construction I can answer, I will. TRUSTTEE__KRUPSKI,: Did you take a look at the property- today? MR - MC GAHAN? Yes'. I was there about noon and there was 6 inches of water right at the front door. TRUSTEE__KRUPSKI_: I was there about 11:30 a.m. TRUSTEE_FOST_ER: Was it over the road? TRUS.TEE__KRUPSKI': It wasn' t on the road yet, but it wasn' t high tide. _MR:- MC -GAHAN:-. It was "right around his whole parking area and right up 'to the steps of his front door. TRUSTEE KR_UPS_KI: Yes, the whole house was surrounded with water. TRUSTEE -FOSTER: But his parking area is the same elevation. TRUSTEE_KRUPSKI: No, it' s probable a couple. of inches higher. Only half this parking area had some water in it. -MR:- MC--GAHAN-:) Obviously something has to be done. It' s just a matter of. . . . . . TRUSTEE SMITH: Do you know where the septic system is? _MR MC. GAHAN: I don' t have a survey. TRUSTEE SMITH: I would like to see where the septic system is and- if your gonna add. more bathrooms and water usage in this house. . . . . . MR-.- MC GAHAN_: The occupancy is gonna remain the same. TRUSTEE­SMITH:� Your not gonna add any bathrooms? -MR.- :MC-�GAHAN': The second floor, we will be adding a bathroom. TRUSTEE -SMITE: O.K. then your gonna have more water usage. There was or looked like the septic system in the wetland area, which I hope is not, but. . . . . . MR._=MC GAHAN+t We' re willing to accept any advise you have as to the re-design or whatever. TRUSTEE-KRUPSKi : That was all covered with water today. _TRUSTEE_ SMITH . It will never fill up that way. The tide goes in and the tide goes out. _TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: The only concerns are, and we've been out there a number of times, as far as your re-building the house and raising it, that' s not. . . . . .our concern is it' s an existing house already so your not really gonna change much by re-building it and raising it. Our only concern was, and I think Artie brought it up, is on the driveway, is I guess we need a cross section on how your gonna put the elevation. Your gonna raise it up 3 .6' because it' s such a small area now and if you raise it to 3 . 6 ' your gonna have on spot for one car it seems like. MR:. MC GAHAN: If 3 . 6' is maybe a measure as to how much is to be raised _up. TRUSTEE --KRUP-SKI-. Again, the cesspool is a problem also. I think if you could put the cesspool in the parking area, since your gonna raise it that much. I 'm not sure what' s the best way to go here. Whether to go to the Health Dept. or just request to bring the cesspool back into the parking area and then raise it up. so that it has at least. some distance. right now the way it looks like it is, today it was completely covered with water. To the west side. I think we' re ready to approve this but what we need is a. cross section of the driveway about how that' s actually .gonna be raised. Because he' s got so little and from what it shows here he' s out onto the right of way road with his cobblestone. So he only owns just a small . portion. I don't know if their gonna let him fill that road. or just. . . . . .I don' t know how it works down there. _MR.--MC- GAHAN:'1 Who' s that to be done by? The DEC? TRUSTEE__KRUPSKIC: I don't know know. We don' t mind him raising the driveway, we just want to make sure it' s done so it' s .not gonna spill over into the wetlands. He can fill what he' s got to ten feet as long as he can getup there somehow. Also we want to see in the new description the old septic system removed and a new one replaced in the driveway area. _TRUSTEE_.FOSTER: You gave him pretty much what he wanted. TRUSTEE_ SMITH: How are you gonna maintain the elevation of the driveway _on his property. Does it have a retaining wall? _MR.- MC__GAHAN:` He was talking about a rock wall. TRUSTEE--SMITH: ! I would just like to see a Board of Health approved septic system. If it's in that wetlands area now, I don't see how I would vote for it. MR.- MC GAHAN: �) If this is considered an expansion system or whether it' s just a tank than it could be used as an expansion and the Board of Health (could not hear him) . id ,TRUSTEE FOSTER: Henry you'd never meet the present day criteria. To get the Health Dept. involved, chances are the guy will never get to do any of this. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Well, what we' re suggesting though is that they prove-what is there. TRUSTEE -FOSTER: I think to get- the septic -system out of the wetlands and get something along the lines of what would be an approved system, but this is never gonna meet the distances in that area. -__ - TRUSTEE _SMITH:vi They don' t get their water from there, they get their water from way down the street. .;TRUSTEEFOSTER. But your still supposed to be 150 feet. from the wetlands, and he' s never gonna get it. TRUS.TEE__.SMITHc But it' s an existing house. TRUSTEE---KRUPSKI`: I don't think the Board of. Health could improve on what we' re suggesting. TRUSTEE_ FOSTER:} I would say to do the best you could with it and let__it ._go at that. Motion to close the public hearing. :.TRUSTEE SMITH:- Second. ALL AYES _TRUST.EE FOSTER Motion to approve subject to changes in. survey showing cross section of driveway and septic system. _ TRUSTEE--SMITH: ' Second. ALL AYES 5. J.M.O. Consulting on behalf of GARDINERS-- BAY _ESTATESI HOMEOWNERS ASSOC,, requests a Wet-land -Permit to 'maintenance dredge an" existing bulkhead canal'-to -a- -depth of -3 feet at ALW. Resultant 900+ c.y. of spoil shall be placed on buried spoil sites on adjacent upland. - (Applicant amended permit to truck spoil off site to an upland site_. Located: Ole Orchard Lane-,_._East-Marion. SCTM #37-4-18 ,_TRUSTEE -KRUPSKI : Is there anyone .here who would like to speak on behalf of .the application? -GLENN JUSTs I 'm here to answer any questions you might have. TRUSTEE -KRUPSKI:,, I think the concern we had out there last month !is" a-lot--of the canal is fairly deep. Is this to get all the high spots. ,AMR:_JUST) I went back out and spoke to. .Diane last week and she said you might want some revised steps, so I went out at low tide and did some soundings. From what I understand in speaking with Diane and -Jill that there was some concerns of whether I did not get too close to the bulkhead. If you look at the cross section we are 5 feet away from the bulkhead 'at a 5 foot depth towards the channel. _TRUSTEE -SMITHl: I ' ll move to close the public hearing. TRUSTEE -KING: Second. ALL AYES TRUSTEE- SMITH: I ' ll make a motion to approve. TRUSTEE KING:J Second. ALL AYES 6. Proper-T Services on behalf of :JAMES ;SAGE) requests a--Wetland Permit,,, for the removal of 305 ' of bu-l-khead,- including 2- 50' returns and replace with 285' of rock revetment, fill behind rock revetment with concrete rubble existing on site and approx. .500 c.y. of clean fill from a suitable upland source. Located: Sage Blvd. , Greenport. SCTM #53-5-12.6 =TRUSTED KRUPSKI': Is 'there anyone here who would like to speak either for or against this application? JIM FITZGERALD: I 'm here to represent Mr. Sage. ,TRUSTEE -KRUPSKI:' We were out at the site numerous times. Does the -Board- have any questions? That area juts out. It' s not a straight line bulkhead. Especially on the west side it' s got those massive. . . . .we had some discussion about trying to bring it back in line but on the west side it's got those massive old concrete bulkheads. What I'm looking for is the cross section Our concern is that it doesn' t encroach any further. It started at the toe of the existing bulkhead. ,MR. FITZGERALb': The two drawings show the line of the existing or where it was before it fell down and it- is intended that the total revetment will be that long. HOWARD__Z-EHNER'.-� The Sage property has always been my 'pet' as you know. I made some notes, note one: the five structures is that the tide gets over 3 ' above normal high and tends to flood back here. All the other structures are raised. The one closest to the little cove, where they dock boats, is raised. The one where Vera and Charles house as your going south those cottages from there down are raised. The five houses .behind that bulkhead are all at bulkhead top level. The other cottages along there are. . . .the soil goes level without the bulkhead, they're on like a berm or whatever, so ideally in addition to doing this. the idea to build a berm behind this bulkhead in that area with wings on both ends so this area couldn' t flood like the Halloween tide that was 5 feet above normal tides. Note two: I added a scale on this drawing and it is 1 inch = 50 feet to get a perspective of the drawing. 500 cubic yards is a lot of stuff of clean fill and it doesn' t come cheap. I figured if it' s 50 feet wide by 300 feet long which would cover this expanse by 3 feet deep. The bulkhead all along the Sage property is really 3 feet above the beach in gravel level. It is not a high .bulkhead. If you look at this bulkhead from the water you' ll see the Sages sold their property and had to take it back and one of .the added is the new bulkhead through most of their shoreline. With the exception of this one piece here. Now your looking at stones. The marine -species like rocks. It' s really a rock revetment. That's about it. TRUSTEE SMITH: I - was under the impression they were gonna use that concrete rubble. . MR. FITZGERALD: The rock revetment will be a rock revetment. It will- not be a concrete rubble. TRUSTEE KRUPSKi?: The concrete will be used to fill. That' s why I think there was some discussion out in the field that if they wanted to pull it back and eliminate a lot of that fill. . . . .I don' t think anyone has problem with .the plan as it' s written. TRUSTEE SMITH: I ' ll make a motion we close the public hearing. TRUSTEE FOSTER: Second. ALL AYES TRUSTEE SMITH: I ' ll make a motion to approve. TRUSTEE FOSTER: Second. ALL AYES 7. Proper-T Services on behalf of BENJAMIN SUGLIAlrequests a Wetland Permit to construct a 14 ' X 37 ' wood deck attached to. seaward side of house, renovate an 8' X 13 ' section on seaward side of existing house, construct 2 additions on landward side measuring 6 ' X 16' & 8 ' X 131 , construct a 4 ' X 75 ' fixed open walkway, a 4' X 16' hinged ramp and 2 floats measuring 8 ' X 10' & 4.6 ' X' 10 ' . Located: 4639 Stillwater Drive, Cutchogue. SCTM #137-3-7 - - .TRUSTEE_ KRUPSKI Is there anyone here who wishes to speak either in favor or against this application? JIM- FITZGERALD: Same guy for Mr. Suglia. TRUSTEE _KRUPSKI: We got the CAC comments for approval. The only questions we had is that we' re gonna limit the float size. The standard float for a single family resident is 6' X 20' and I think we' re gonna try to limit their float size to that size. MR---FITZGERALD No specific dimensions for that area. TRUSTEE--KRUP5KI: No, because she had existing floats there. MR. FITZGERALD: These floats exist. TRUSTEE_ KRUPSKI: That would be acceptable. TRUSTEE- FOSTER: We measured those to make sure they matched ones irn the application. .TRUSTEE KRUPSKI': The other question that we had was apparently there's a lot of water there but apparently the channel flows pretty close to the shoreline. _MR _FITZGERA.LD: Not where I was. Not in there. _WETZEL: If you go to the main channel where we are (could not hear_ him).- TRUSTEE__KRUPSKI } That's what Mrs. Suglia had said that' s where people go to get out in that end of the creek and we want to make sure that is not gonna encroach into that because the water goes down and that's gonna get into the deep water. Is that the end of the deep water and then the big flat starts. We don' t want to put the float in the middle of that deep water section. .:_MR. WETZEL: In that particular area there are two floats to the south- of that. My concern is with the 75' plus the 16' plus the 10 ' or 15' on that. float. I 'm- afraid that this particular dock is gonna be way out. Even at medium tide we wouldn' t get passed that dock. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: We asked Mr. Fitzgerald to somehow mark that seaward end of those docks. Apparently that was done with some sort of a red float. The problem was they sunk. Now on 'some of those sites we could pull the string in and throw it out and as the string extends with. the weight we were able to see the end when it splashed in. But it sunk and in this site we weren' t able to retrieve it because it was already out .into the water. MR: FITZGERALD-. Only one of them could have sunk. It wasn' t that one because the others are solid styrene with a float. TRUSTEE -SMITH: I don't think it sunk, I think the string was too- short: TRUSTEE FOSTER: We couldn' t see where it was. MR.- FITZGERALD,: Ben and I went out to the rowboat at low water and- we measured depth of the line here and our depths that we measured. We measured the two two foot two feet and that doesn' t. seem to be out to the channel. Board of Trustees 13,, Jani y 28, 1998 !TRUSTEE KRUPSKI :), That' s probably it. That' s the natural channel. Because then it comes into that big flat out there. _TRUSTEE KRUPSKI :.� We've been through this before in a number of creeks where the channel is close to the shoreline and you have to be careful where you. . . . . . .I think we' re gonna have to ' table this and take a look at it on the site. I 've got a picture showing Annabel's dock with his .float passed it. He' s got a mooring out passed that. We' ll recess this .and put it on for next months inspection. We'll separate this and approve for the deck... . . . . TRUSTEE SMITH: I1.11 move to close the hearing. TRUSTEE__KING:) Second. ALL AYES .. TRUSTEE_SMITH -I ' ll move to approve the application for the deck, renovation and additions, and recess the portion where the dock is until next month. _TRUSTEE_KING: �s Second. ALL AYES 8. Proper-T Services on behalf of ROBERT -DI DOMENICO), requests a Wetland Permit to construct a single family dwelling, garage, deck _& _sanitary system, a 4 ' X 47 ' fixed walkway, a 4' X 16 ' ramp and' a 6 ' X 20 ' float with 2 piles. Located: 2725 Pine Tree Road, Cutchogue. SCTM #104-3-5.1 & 5.2 TRUSTEE_.KRUPSKI.# Is there anyone here who would -like to speak on behalf . of the application? MR. FITZGERALD:- Yes, I 'm here to answer any questions. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI_ CAC recommended approval. Their concern is the walkway is raised 4' above to grade. Their concern also is there may be existing moorings or crab pots in the same area as the proposed dock. We have the same. . . .again on this house portion on field inspection the Board felt we could put in appropriate buffer area of non disturbance and if the house is not a problem. It was the dock that. . . . .again it was a similar situation where, Ken is familiar with the water and he said the deep water is right adjacent to the shore line and then it gets shallower as you go out. So we would rather see the ,structure moved back _ - _MR. - FITZGERALD When you say the shoreline what do you mean? ,.TRUSTEE POLIWODA,: Where the contour depth goes down. ,_MR. FITZGERALD: In all these cases all these people are interested in doing is getting enough water to -put a boat in- there. If indeed it' s either projecting into what is commonly used as a channel in the area we' ll shorten it. , TRUSTEE POLIWODA: I 've found the length of that dock might be over building out into the water and there' s a mooring field in there. MR. -FITZGERALD., The fact that people are moored there is, I don'-t think, something I would preclude the building of the dock. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI : No, but to that length it would though. KEN: _ No problem with the shortening up but you would have to find the soundings again to see how far it is necessary to go out. MR. FITZGERALD:� When we' re talking about soundings your talking ) about to a solid base or are we talking about to the top of the silt? If you went out and walked out you would be (could not understand him) a foot or eighteen inches deep in stuff. So my Board of Trustees 14 Jant. 4r 28, 1998 question is when your talking about water depth are you talking about where your feet are or where the top of the stuff is on your boots? :TRUSTEE POLIWODA: In this instance, some tops are completely shallow with mud and there is no field, the depth changes. In .this instance I believe there's a depth incline there very close to ' the shore so it wouldn' t have to be necessary to put such a lengthy dock there. -TRUS_ TEE SMITH,: To answer your questions I think when we mean -the soundings we mean to the bottom whether it be black mayonnaise or hard bottom. if your feet sink down two feet into this muck it's still unusable and you have to go from where your feet stop and stick down. MA. _PITZGERXLD'c. And that' s the way I have always looked at it and _just_ want _to be sure that you all think the same way. TRUSTEE_KRUPSKI :') I think this is another one we have to go out on again try to come up with an appropriate. . . . . . .TRUSTEE POLIWODAI: I really don't think it' s necessary once you find where the bank drops off in the water the top part is about the deepest part off the bank when it comes 'to wetlands,. I don' think that dock has to extend passed that. it serves no purpose. MR._-PITZGERAI�D This was my perception of what we needed to get adequate water to access the water. MA,_.__PAUL_.THOMPSON: I have no objection to this extending out and I have no objection to length of the dock either. I crab there and I have .a 32 foot boat and if this was my dock I would make it 3 foot shorter because it' s actually deeper. . . . . . TRUSTEE' SMITL: I ' ll make a motion we close the public hearing.. TRUSTEE-KIND.:__ _ Second. ALL AYES •TRUSTEE---KRUPSKI :_� I ' ll make a motion to approve the application on behalf of Robert Di Domenico .for a single family dwelling, garage, deck and sanitary system with condition that there be no clearing closer to the wetlands 35 ' from the corner of the easterly corner of the house which gives them about a 40' buffer zone. I think the Board felt that 35 ' was enough room to get equipment__around without constricting the construction. _MR. FITZGERALD': There is no clearing there now. -TRUSTEE KRUPSKM: No grading.. If they would like -to do some -hand trimming for a view after the house is constructed they should -just give us , a letter requesting that and we will come down and we' ll give them an idea how to trim it for a view. that' s no problem. When I say no disturbance they can clear 35' around the side of the house for a lawn area but no land clearing further to the east. TRUSTEE_KING-�� Second. ALL AYES 9. Proper-T Services on behalf of MARIA E. SAN_ TIGATE`trequests a Wetland--Permit to construct a 4' X 55 ' fixed open walkway, a 4' _ X _161'_ hinged ramp and a 8 ' X 20' float with 2- 2 pile dolphins. Located: 2305 Park Ave, Mattituck. SCTM #123-3-21 ,_TRUSTEE__KRUPSK2.: Would anyone here like to speak in favor of the application? MR._FITZGERALD�:1 I 'm here to answer any questions. Board of Trustees 15 JanL, jr 28, 1998 ,TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: We went out on inspection here. . . . . .did we ever get a letter from the neighbor? MR. -FITZGERALDA I spoke to Mr. Whelan, he' s the neighbor to the north,__and he has essentially the same concerns that you have. _TRUSTEE KRUPSKI_,: Again., it's the same concern, there' s a shallow channel adjacent to the shore and then it gets shallower. -MR: "FITZGERALD,: In this case I think the difference is it aoesn't- appear to be any way around by shortening the structure. I looked at the aerial photographs of the area and you can clearly see the channel that was inshore and it runs down and gets. . . .it turns out at just about the place where the proposed structure is. If you were to shorten the structure you would still not derive a clear path. So I think it will. involve dredging to.-open that up somehow. 1RU5TEE_KRUPSKI1: You don't have the aerial photograph handy? _MR: FITZGERALD`- No. MR. .W4ELAN1 I have some pictures to get a little bit better look at it. This is my house here and you can see the channel going along to my_ house (indicating on pictures) It will show you there is an Island out there. I took these Sunday. The tide was late so it was late in the afternoon. And the tide was not really a dead low tide. When you were there that day you would never know there was an island there. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI_: But this is the same as all the other applications we were talking about tonight, where it' s deeper in one spot and then it- jets. . . .there's a big flat out there. Now why couldn't you keep it on the .edge— i— —I think it shows just on the edge of- that? MR�__WHELAN But this is looking north here. TRUSTEE FOSTER: How wide is that channel Pete? lP .--WHELAN:­ -Only about 6 or 8 feet wide at real low tide. This. -is not- real low tide. TRUSTEE__ KRUPSKI__+: But that is not exposed every day. MR. 'FITZGERALD: It does appear that .if you put anything in here at all that-you would still be able to get around here because this is looking right straight out from where. . . , TRUSTEE- KA PSK_ I): On the other hand we can' t allow someone to put ^something out that will block people' s access. -MR.___FITZGERALD: No, I'm not suggesting that. TRUSTEE KRUPSKT�: I think if you come �up with something that the Sant gate' s_ could work with that would give them some sort of access and they could tie a boat to. But very close to the shoreline. That' s the most optimistic picture where they have a little bit of water in front and not that far. MR.-.-- FITZGERALD: Of course to some extent depending upon the kind of boat -he is thinking about and I believe he' s thinking about something more than a whaler. -TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: I think if' he looks at .these, this should give him an idea of what kind of boat to get. _MR._._FITZ.GERALD` Are you saying that if we apply to dredge the end of that island out of there, that would not meet with favor . with you? _TRUSTEE KRUPSKI': probably not. Board of Trustees 16 Janu ` y 28, 1998 -zX1Z-FITZGERALn,: How come? ;TRUSTEE _KRUPSKI: Because Chapter 97-28 in the code would probably prevent that. Plus the DEC code would prevent it also. So you pretty much have what he' s got, is pretty much what he' s got. You could have a modest structure to tie a small boat to. But it' s got to be limited and pressed right against the shore. ,MR. FITZGERALD The end where the stakes are is 15 feet from the property line. Would you be willing to leave it closer to the property line? TRUSTEE KRUPSKi: The general board policy is that no structure should be no closer than 15 feet to- the property line. To give people access. In this case I. think we would waiver that policy just to try--and get a little bit better conditions there. Sure. -MR..-_ FITZGERALD The neighbor has participated in presiding the . dredging. _TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: But I don' t think we would have a problem with that, with moving it over towards the bulkhead. ,.MR. WHELAN: I still don' t think there' s gonna be enough room even if he moves it over. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI : No, just a modest structure like you have just to get him out into the water. And also Mr. Santigate has the grass mowed. That' s not allowed. MR: FITZGERALD: I mentioned that to him. TRUSTEE_ FITZGERALD�: So if you could design something there with that in mind. To -keep a small structure and put it up in that east corner it would allow Mr. Whelan to get past it. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI : I ' ll make a 'motion to recess the public hearing._-. _ _TRUSTEE SMITH": Second. ALL AYES 10. Proper-T Services on behalf of ,RICHA_RD- CORREIA� requests a Wetland Permit to construct a fixed open walkway 4-' X 125' a hinged--_ramp 4 ' X 16 ' and a floating dock 61 . X 20 ' with 2- 2 pile dolphins. Located: 855 Knollwood Lane, Mattituck. SCTM #107-6-5 _TRUSTEE KRUPSK_I.- Is there anyone here on behalf of this application? MR-. FITZGERALD;: Yes, me. TRUSTEE .KING: Move- to close the hearing. _TRUSTEE SMITH: Second. ALL AYES -TRUSTEE KING: Move to approve the application. TRUSTEE SMITH: Second. ALL AYES 11. En-Consultants Inc. , on behalf of ;ANTHONY _I_ENNA,aas contract vendee requests a .Wetland_ Pe_ rm_ it to construct a fixed 'IT" shaped timber dock consisting-of a _4' X 24' catwalk, . (elev. min. of 3 . 5 ' above marsh) a 3 ' X 12' ramp and a 6' X 16 ' float secured by 2- 2 pile dolphins. Located: 2400 Glenn Road, Southold.. SCTM #78-2-41 __TRUSTEE KRUPSKI :, Is there anyone here who wishes to speak in favor of the application? ROB HERRMANN:� I represent the applicant. Board of Trustees 17 Jant' Y 28, 1998 TRUSTEE KRUPSKI.,: CAC recommends approval. CAC also had comments regarding the clearing near the wetlands and we also wanted to mention that. even though they. . . . . .all the proposed structures are well outside our jurisdiction. Our concern is that it doesn' t get cleared within our jurisdiction. I don' t know what the applicant has. . . . . . .the building is well outside. Even the garage is the closest structure is 88 feet. We just want to make sure that this isn' t gonna be a completely stripped. . . . -ROB,,. From what I understand there' s essentially a building setback that is sketched on there by Joe Ignego. We wouldn' t be able to clear that out anyway. TRUSTEE-- KRUPSKI: Well that' s a building setback, not a clearing setback. - ---- "' ROB_f From what I understand his intended feeling is up in that , area. If it was going to extend further seaward you would need to get a permit from the DEC and then we would need to get one from you. TRUSTEE KRUPSKIr: No, I just wanted to make that clear and that it doesn't get lost in the shuffle. As far trimming for a view goes we don't have a problem with that. We don' t want to see it during the course of construction. Everything just gets pushed into a pile and pushed over the edge. ROB: I think what he will he' ll do is basically clear to some extent a four foot wide path with an access with that and the dock. Anything greater that that we would advise him that he would have to comeback to this board. TRUSTEE. SMITH: Motion to close the hearing. TRUSTEE FOSTER: Second. ALL AYES TRUSTEE SMITH-. I ' ll make a motion we approve with condition that no clearing. take place outside of building setback. TRUSTEE=_FOSTER:� Second. ALL AYES 12. En-Consultants Inc. , on behalf of,_SUSAN OIESTAD;) requests a W._et-1a_n_4 Permit to construct a fixed timber -dock consisting of a 4' X .66' catwalk, a 4' X 14 ' ramp at landward end, a 4' X 12' hinged ramp and an 8 ' X 20 ' float secured by 2- 8" pilings. Located: 2200 Broadwater Road, Cutchogue. . SCTM #104-9-4 .TRUSTEE -KRUPSKI: Is there anyone here who would like to speak on behalf of the application? 'ROB.: I 'm representing the applicant. I _know that the Board requested on site that you wanted to cut the catwalk back by 8' . (changed tape) issued permits plans for the plan originally shown. Mr. Oiestad amended that as long as the Board was in .keeping (could not understand him). on site that it' s still back to these dimensions that is to propose that the Board would be able to issue kind of a speedier permit in order to extend the additional 10 feet of dock if necessary. We of course don' t need to go back to the DEC or the Corps right now if the dock is built with less expensive specifications than what they have permitted. That is all I have. The dock is designed basically in conformance with the dock immediately to the north. But that dock does reach fairly shallow water and so the point of the proposal is to get out a bit further than that dock to the Board of Trustees 18 Jani y 28, 1998 east. Basically to expedite the process I have revised the plans upon the Boards suggestions and faxed it over to you yesterday. TRUSTEE KRUPSKIi: I don' t know if you heard all the prior public hearings but it' s been. . . . . .the deeper water is. closer to the shore there. When you get further out your gonna hit the flat. We just wanted to make sure that structure isn' t in the deeper water and that restricts the boating flow along the shoreline. -MR._. OIESTAD ] I respect that. But during construction you can save me from having pulling a crew off and then go do the whole permit process again. And then I end up at the end 56 feet in the muck at low tide, can I call somebody to. come look at this and I can tell the crew to. go ahead and work. TRUSTEE KRUPSK1: Any other comment? -TRUSTEE- SMITH: I' ll make a motion to close the public hearing. TRUSTEE KING`' Second. ALL AYES TRUSTEE" KRUPSKI: I' ll make a motion to approve the amended plan. -TRUSTEE SMITH': Second. ALL AYES 13 . En-Consultants Inc. , on behalf of �JONATHAN_H._ ALLAN & I WINABETH' SMITH� requests a Wetland Permit to construct a 4' X 20' catwalk including steps, a_3 ' X 12 ' ramp and a 6 ' X 14' float secured by 2- 8" pilings. Located: Private Road off Route 25, Cutchogue. . SCTM #97-6-2 TRUSTEE KRUPSKI:: Is there anyone here who would like to speak on behalf of the application? . ROB;.- I 'm here to speak .on behalf of the application. The dock has been designed. . . . .as the Board- is aware, there are two properties up in the corner there that his parents own. The dock has been designed basically to allow him to moor two very small crafts. It' s fairly shallow water. And although the tax map and survey might read otherwise, that channel is really so deep there. It' s a navigable in fact channel that goes up there and closes up pretty quickly at the north end and becomes fairly immence wetlands. I trust the Board will be amendable of the proposal. It' s a fairly large lot and you know he has a pretty humble cottage and pretty expansive wetlands on that lot and is just looking for a small dock. TRUSTEE_' KRUP_ SKIq Our only question is there is a pole there. Is that the extent of the project? ROB";� No. I do know what your talking about because I recall seeing it. I wondered about the same thing. I think that is a remnant of some other kind of structure made some time ago. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI): But what is that, just s a reference, does it .go further than that? ROB; No. The inside of the float is a little less than 8 feet seaward of the marsh. It' s pretty close. TRUSTEE KRUPSKD: It is definitely not a navigable channel for the last people there on the very end. ROB: This dock location might- as well be the head of that. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI.c Do they own all the way to the main road or is that someone else? Board of Trustees 19 Jant, y 28, 1998 LROB ; No, actually I believe John' s parents just bought that lot. There is another 3 acre lot just north of that. There' s a house similar and painted the same color and just a little bit larger than that. They are single separate lots.. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI- I just wondered because this .is a side bar that the State was supposedly doing a road runoff project and that' s an ideal location where that water runs down there from the corner. I just wondered who owned that. .TRUSTEE KRUPSKI"- The CAC recommended approval provided the walkway is elevated 4 feet above the marsh. I think you have it 3 1/2. ROB) We always design it 3 1/2 feet because that is the DEC requirement. It' s kind of a "catch 22" situation because there . is some government that tried to eliminate the. elevation so we' re stuck trying to get it above marsh and between the State to keep it low for aesthetics for 'the Town. If this Board is comfortable in the difference of 6 inches it will probably make life easier for me. TRUSTEE KRUPSKIt� That' s fine. ._TRUSTEE_ SMITH: I ' ll make a motion to close the hearing. TRUSTEE KING: Second. ALL AYES TRUSTEE SMITH: I ' ll make a motion to approve the application. TRUSTEE KING: Second. ALL AYES 14. En-Consultants Inc. , on behalf of . LINDA DAMBASSISI requests a Wetland Permit to extend an existing return landward approx. 16' and armor with 1-3 ton stone placed on filter cloth and backfill with approx. 5 c.y. of clean sand from upland source. Located: ROW off Oregon Road, Cutchogue. SCTM #83-2-7. 2 TRUSTEE KRUPSKI?: Anyone here who would like to speak in favor of the application?- ROB�: I 'm here to represent Linda Dambassis. Someone kind of played a joke on the property lines a long time ago. It was something that didn't even catch our eye. Rather that extending to the water, this property line suddenly angles in which means the entire section of bulkhead and return is actually on property owned by Diane Smith and not Linda Dambassis. It's' a pretty strange situation. I spoke with Par Moore, Diane' s attorney. Ms. Smith apparently for a couple of justifiable reasons which I don't care to get into right now, is resistant to the idea of .this signing a letter of consent to allow Ms. Dambassis to do this. TRUSTEE KRUPSKII: It's actually easier than that. What we require on the sound is, and it' s been our policy since we took on Coastal Erosion, is if a structure is on someone else' s property they are gonna have to get their own permit for it. So you say Ms. Smith owns it? ROB; She owns that small track of land. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI : So Mrs. Smith, and what' s tapped in the passed, I 'm not telling you to do this, she would just pay to have the permits done for Mrs. Smith. But it would be in Mrs. Smith's name. So Mrs. Smith would actually own the structure but it would be put in place at the request of Mrs. Board of Trustees 20 Jani y 28, 1998 Dambassis. We would allow that because physically. it is one structure. So that' s been our policy. _ROB,: The only problem with it is, and just put yourself in the position of the neighbor, the structure protecting the integrity of the Dambassis property. There' s no real self motivation for the neighbor to do that. .TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: I understand, but it' s still a structure on someone else' s property. That' s the bottom line. -ROB:S There' s always cases where erosion control structures are built a long time ago without due regard to property line. Sometimes there' s gonna be a case where there are several inches of a structure will cross. Your saying even in that case it requires somebody else to apply for a permit to own a foot? _TRUSTEE KRUPSKI%: Well it' s never come down to a foot but it' s come down to 8 feet or 10 feet, sure. The reality is that eventually that neighbor is gonna want a structure also. And it' s all gonna tie in. And again, you shouldn' t put a structure on someone else' s property because then the property is gonna change hands and then it gets. . . . . ROB-: That' s her feeling. I think what might happen here ideally is there may be a transfer of ownership of that triangle of land. Which would also resolve any future structure that would be on Angela' s property. In this case, that' s probably the way this is gonna get resolved. All I could ask you to do is hold it over, because we are not stepped in the attorney game again, to see how this is gonna work out. TRUSTER KRUPSKI-: We' re trying to work out a policy of tabling applications. - We would rather not let it go for- more than a year than not to apply. This might be a year. If they' re gonna try to transfer that little triangle. That' s why it' s been easier to just have the applicant pay for the permit process and pay for the structure in the other persons name. _ROB:} It would be quicker that way and I ' ll raise it to her attorney. _TRUSTEE KRUPSKIt: I did speak to Pat Moore about this. I explained to her our policy and how it' s worked in the past. LROBi Was it her sense that that might be an option. That' s the impression I 've got. I will let you know and I 'm hoping that within a month or two we will at least get ab idea 'of where we are gonna go. If it looks like it' s gonna be a long drawn out thing, I ' ll withdrawn the applicant. _TRUSTEE KING;, Was there any intent to do anything on the west of him. _.ROB: Not right now. TRUSTEE KING:, Because there is no return there right now. We talked to the neighbor and he had questions wether they were gonna do anything. there. I thought they were gonna put in a return on that end too. But evidently not. Just the east end that we will worry about. TRUSTEE POLIWODA: There' s not way that they can angle it back. -ROB: We looked at that but if you look at the survey there is so much room there that it' s impossible. Anything in that whole section of property is not owned by them. It' s not a property Board of Trustees 21 Jani ;y 28, 1998 line complication, it's a totally bizarre property line configuration. I don't know how this every got. . . . . . TRUSTEE KRUPSKI-: No, we've seen them like that where the property lines angle instead of perpendicular. So that the place in front of your property is not yours. It' s the neighbors. It makes it very difficult when someone is gonna do anything. TRUSTEE_ POLIWODA: I think the recommendations in looking at this property line .she. can go where the property line exists. . . . . . ROB:;) Yes, that' s the other option, that would be -the other alternative. The only problem with that is I would have to. . . .if you start cutting into that bluff. . . . . . .well in any event these are types of thing we talked about. TRUSTEE_ KRUPSKI;: I' ll make a motion to table this application. TRUSTEE KING): Second. ALL AYES 15. Diane Herold on behalf of -.KRISTEN POWERSjas contract vendee requests a _Wetland Permit to relocate existing house to the north side of existing location and place on piles, construct a roofed porch on south side, a 12' X 38' deck and a deck and addition on north side. Existing garage to be rebuilt and relocate existing walkway. Located; 220 Park Ave. , LILCO pole__#_32_, _Mattituck. SCTM #123-8-26.1 TRUSTEE_ KRUPSKI;: Is there anyone here who would like to speak on behalf of the application. -DIANE HEROLD: I represent the applicant vendee. -TRUSTEE -KRUPSKh: Will this be a completely new house? :MS._ HEROLD: No, because (could not hear her') TRUSTEE_ KRUPSKI_�: We have a letter from the neighbor. They were concerned with the proximity of the relocation to their house. I think they were concerned about 2 or 3 feet. You might want to take a look at this letter. .MS.__HEROLD: I have a small problem. I have to deal with zoning, so I have to move the house, so I have to go to them. (Could -not hear her, too much shuffling of papers) . TRUSTEE .KRUPSKII: The only other questions we had was that the wood walkway going over the road. _MS. HEROLD: That' s gone. We spoke to Diane and she mentioned that you were concerned with that. We are going to have a couple of dumpsters there and we could certainly take that part out. __TRUSTEE KRUPSKh: And also the catwalk is. . . .the existing . catwalk that is there, is that gonna be changed in anyway? .MS. HEROLD: No. .TRUSTEE KRUPSKI : Because there' s an older one and a newer one. We weren' t sure which one belongs to the property. MS-:---HEROLD-: The old. one. We' ll probably put some new boards down there it' s worn. I don' t think you could even walk on that at this_-point. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI : It' s a plus to move it back from the beach. Where is the septic system? MS._ HEROLD: I knew you were gonna bring that up. I 'd like to explain. The current owners had this in the family so they Board of Trustees 22 Jani y 28, 1998 have quite a few people using that house. There are 5 bedrooms in that house right now. We' re gonna have 3 bedrooms (could not hear her) . To answer your question, there is a sanitary system that is off the south east corner which is gonna be abandoned because it' s definitely on the beach. The other one is gonna be underneath the building in a cement mound. We would be willing to put in a sanitary system and we discussed it in an. earlier application with the Board of Health. We would probably end up with a concrete retaining walls and the system would be much greater than what' s ever been there now. We would appreciate it if we didn' t have to do that. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI-: Do you have any suggestions? The one that' s functioning now is gonna be underneath where the house is gonna be relocated? MS. HEROLD: It would be under the front deck. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI : See, I 'm not sure once you get back towards the road bn the north side of the house the elevation drops off there doesn' t it? MS. HEROLD: Yes. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: So that wouldn' t be the best place either. The Health Dept. requires something like a foot and a half or two- feet of clean sand separating it from ground water. MS.- HEROLD: It' s two feet. TRUSTEE FOSTER: It' s three now. MS. HEROLD-.� The DEC requires more. The Board of Health accepts the septic tank in the water, they don' t Care. It' s the leaching tanks, and they would be two feet deep and two feet above ground water, so I would have to have (could not hear her) . TRUSTEE KRUPSKI : Do you have any suggestion as to where they would go? MS. HEROLD: The neighbor has a single well so I wouldn' t have a problem there. It would be spread out along the west side. That' s where my greatest elevation is. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI,: Now the Building Dept. , are they gonna make you upgrade the system? MS. HEROLD•: That I haven' t discussed with them. I did forget to tell you one thing. When I spoke to them about the garage in the previous permit the new garage will be smaller than the original. TRUSTEE SMITH': If you say these pools were underneath where the proposed porch is gonna be, I wouldn' t have a problem if you just went outside that area to the property line. It would be . definitely. . . . . .your not making matters any better or worse from what I could see. TRUSTEE FOSTER: Is the house gonna be on pilings? MS. HEROLD: Yes. .TRUSTEE FOSTER: You could get a septic system in there. _TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: We' re gonna approve this probably with a condition that your gonna have to put the septic system on the survey. Even if that takes another month. TRUSTEE FOSTER: I might make` one suggestion to you. That you put the septic system in before you move the house. Board of Trustees 23 Jani y 28, 1998 TRUSTEE SMITH: I would say approve this thing tonight with condition we get a survey showing the septic system. I ' ll move to close the hearing. TRUSTEE KING: Second. ALL AYES TRUSTEE SMITH: I ' ll make a motion we approve with condition that septic system is shown on new or updated survey. TRUSTEE FOSTER: Second. ALL AYES 16. RI.CHARD CORAZZINI requests a -Wetland Permit to repair existing bulkhead using standard industry methods, and construct a 6 ' X 10 ' floating dock and a 4' X 14 ' ramp. Located: 8500 Nassau Point Road, Cutchogue. SCTM #118-5-4. 1 TRUSTEE KRUPSKI :1 Is there anyone here who would like to speak in favor of the application? MR.. C.ORAZZINI : I ' ll answer any questions you might have. TRUSTEE KRUP-SKI': I took a look at it today and it' s about 6 inches underwater. It' s pretty straight forward. But we suggest here where you have wetlands all around it, is that when it' s built where it requires where you take the poles out and- build it right up against the old one. So they don' t go out as far. So it will go out 8" instead of 18" . And you have to get a letter from Mr. Burrell who owns the underwater property. -MR._-CORAZZINI-: We spoke with Mr. Burrell and for liability reasons, e would rather deed me a piece of the bottom. Another thing is I 'd like to apply for a 6' X 20 ' float instead of a 6 ' X 10 ' float. .TRUSTEE KRUPSKI": Do you want to table this and we can vote on the bulkhead tonight? ,MR. _CORAZZINI: Sure. TRUSTEE SMITH: I ' ll move to close the public hearing. TRUSTEE FOSTER: Second. ALL AYES .TRUSTEE KRUPSKIQ: I ' ll make a motion we approve repair of the bulkhead provided the poles removed first and then the new bulkhead placed right up against the old bulkhead. _ TRUSTEE SMITH: Second. ALL AYES 17. John Hallihan on behalf of -MATTITUCK INLET MARINA requests a ,Wetland Permit to replace within 18" 94' of new bulkhead, widen existing travel lift slip 71 , replace existing west and south sides of travel lift with 48 ' of new bulkhead, install dry well catch basin in haul-out apron and a 2' wide pervious buffer on north and south sides of travel lift slip, and maintenance dredge in travel slip area to 4 ' below MLW. Located: end of west Mill Road, on west side of Mattituck Creek. SCTM #106-6-13 .3 ._TRUSTEE KRUPSKI;: Is there anyone who would like to speak in favor of the application? Would it make any sense for him to pull the piles out and put the bulkhead right against it and give him a little more room? TRUSTEE KING:. I think he' s gonna(could not hear him) . TRUSTEE KRUPSKI : CAC recommended approval. TRUSTEE SMITH: Motion to close the hearing. TRUSTEE KING: Second. ALL AYES TRUSTEE KING: - I ' ll make a motion to approve the application. Board of Trustees 24 Jani y 28, 1998 TRUSTEE--FOSTER-:7 Second. ALL AYES 18. Bruce Anderson on behalf of_ KENSWANSON_ as contract . vendee, requests a_Wetland Permit- to construct a single family dwelling with attached garage, porch, driveway, well and septic system. Applicant also wishes to transfer permit #3734 from Walter L. Fink to ken Swanson. Located: 1390 Willow Terrace Lane, Orient. _ .SCTM #26-1-25 TRUSTEE_KRUPSKI : ') Is there anyone here who would like to speak on behalf of the application? -_BRU_CE_ANDERSON_;) I ' ll answer any questions you might have. _TAUSTEE__SMITH. I ' ll make a motion to close the public hearing./ ._-TRUSTEE---FOSTERa Second. ALL AYES TRUSTEE SMITH:,,r I ' ll make a motion to approve the application of Ken Swanson as contract vendee for the house, garage, porch, driveway, well & septic system and recommend haybales along top of bluff during construction, drywells and maintain buffer zone. ._TRUS_TEE_FOSTER: Second. ALL AYES -TRUSTEE__SMITH:moved to go back to regular meeting, TRUSTEE KING seconded. ALL AYES V_._ RESOLUTIONS 1. William Witzke on behalf of ALBERTSON--MARINA`)requests a Grandfather Permit for an existing 4 ' X 55 ' catwalk with a 4 ' X 12' ramp attached to a 6 ' X 21' .float attached to a 6 ' X 225 ' floating dock with 8 finger floats measuring 6' X 27 ' . Located: Route 25 between Bay Home Road & Port of Egypt. SCTM #56-6-2. 3, 3 . 2 & 3 . 3 •TRUSTEE-KING moved to approve the Grandfather Permit, TRUSTEE .-SMITH- seconded. ALL AYES VI.-_ MOORINGS: 1. WILLIAMBUHLER orequests a.-m_oor nq in Goose Creek for a 15 ' outboard with a 150 lb. mushroom. ACCESS: Public. TRUSTEE�FOLIWODR4moved to approve the mooring subject to mooring code, TRUSTEE SMITH seconded. ALL AYES Meeting Adjourned at: 9: 50 p.m. Respectfully Submitted By: TOTV!,T Cf.E 95a z ti'�i Diane J. Herbert =� E 3/4-hJ- Clerk, Board of Trustees ` ' `3'T-711 of � I -------------- i I ��