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SOUTHOLD TOWN BOARD
MARCH 8, 1994
WORK SESSION
Present: Supervisor Thomas Wickham, Councilman Joseph J. Lizewski, Councilwoman
Alice J. Hussie, Councilman Joseph L. Townsend, Jr. , Councilwoman Ruth D. Oliva,
Justice Louisa P. Evans, Town Clerk Judith T. Terry, Town Attorney Laury L.
Dowd (11 :25 A.M.) .
9:00 A.M. - Venetia -McKeighan, Director of Human Services, . met with the .Town
Board to explain a new program she would like to institute; a hotline for abused
individuals.. . Through fund raising she has $2,000, which will pay for the
installation of a telephone at the Human Resource Center, and the monthly telephone
bills for- a long time to come. Mrs. McKeighan explained that the program will be
coordinated with Retreat representatives, and she has already identified individuals
who will volunteer to answer the telephone,' and open their homes as a secure place.
The Town Board gave their commitment to assist with the telephone bills should it
become necessary in the future..
9:30.' A.M. - Ken Komoski and Earl Fultz of LINCT (Long Island Network for
Community Telecomputing) met with the Town Board. They explained that LINCT
is a regional coalition of nonprofit organizations committed to helping local
communities served by WLIW to provide community-wide education and information
services. These services are to be to and from homes, libraries, schools,
businesses, -community service, religious, and municipal agencies. Corporation of
Public Broadcasting. funding will be used to further the development of LINCT-East,
a five-town community telecomputing cooperative being formed to serve the education
and information needs of 104,000 Eastern Long Islanders. The LINCT-East proposal
will serve as a testbed and model for efforts elsewhere on Long Island. Funding
in the amount of $1,11,900 has been requested from CPB and will cover the costs of
.a LINCT - Coordinator, clerical, communication and publication support, software, and
- - -honoraria for learning -and evaluation consultants. The Coordinator will assist with
local. telecomputing development, and regional and local fund-raising from Associated
Business Communities. • They 'already have $1,000 from ABCs, but need $5,000 to
start up. They are not asking for a contribution from the Town, they would like
a commitment. That commitment will aid in obtaining donations from individuals in
the Southold Town .communities. Supervisor. Wickham said he would like -to see the
Town make the commitment, and Board agreed that the' Supervisor should be the one"
to: work with LINCT.
10:00 A.M. - _Charlotte Bianchi, Regional Administration of the American Red Cross, -
came before the Town Board to accept a proclamation designating March, 1994 as
"Red Cross Month._ Supervisor Wickham presented the following proclamation:
WHEREAS, the AMERICAN RED CROSS has given round-the-clock service to our
military personnel wherever troops are stationed, at home or abroad, standing by
the world over to assist them and their dependents; and
WHEREAS, the AMERICAN RED CROSS stands ready to come immediately to the aid
of people. stricken by flood, fire, or storm, and provides hospitals, , health agencies
and physicians with whole blood and blood derivatives, thus greatly contributing
to the health of the American people; and
WHEREAS, the RED CROSS in Southold Town helps keep our families safe and healthy
through training in first aid, water safety and home nursing; now, therefore, . be
it
— -RESOLVED- that the- month of MARCH, 1994 be known as -"RED CROSS MONTH" in
the Town of Southold,- and the Southold Town Board urges all citizens to join in
support of our RED CROSS with our money, blood donations and volunteer service.
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10:30 A.M. - Solid Waste Issues. In. attendance: Recycling Coordinator Mary
Mulcahy Jackson, . and Solid Waste Coordinator Jim Bunchuck. -There was a'
discussion on recycling in Town Hall. The need for containers for glass, plastic,
and cans in the public area of the building has been identified. Councilwoman
Hussie, Ms.. Jackson and Mr. Bunchuck will work together and purchase the proper
containers. Ms. Jackson reported that she spoke to all departments in Town Hall
and they are anxious to cooperate. She submitted a report of her findings.---
Councilwoman Hussie put forth a proposal to exercise the extension of the contract
for handling and disposal of solid waste. The contract with Star provides for an
additional three months, which would take the contract to July. In the meantime
she is certain the specifications will be complete to advertise ° for a longer term
contract, and awarded. It was agreed that the specifications will have options for
a two year contract - one year, plus one year extension, and a five year contract,
three years, plus a two year extension.---Supervisor Wickham reported on plans
for a Waste' Management Institute to be' held in- Stony Brook in April. A conference
or "clearinghouse" for- -the--- mutual advantage and mutual interaction of .all the..
Towns.---Discussion was held with regard for stronger enforcement procedures at
the disposal area. Violators are disposing of garbage that is not in the prescribed
Town ,Bags. Mr. Bunchuck said a video camera could be installed that would record-
the violation, as well as the license plate of the violator. Councilwoman Hussie said
the Town Attorney has advised her that the video tape is admissible in court. 'It
was agreed that Supervisor Wickham, Councilwoman Hussie, Mary Mulcahy Jackson,
and Jim Bunchuck will work together and in two weeks bring to the Board
information on the cost of the video proposal, and a proposed broader enforcement
program. ---Transfer Station: Supervisor Wickham reported that Jim Bunchuck has
drawn up an alternate proposal to the Dvirka S Bartilucci plan - a proposal slightly
reducing the.-size of_the proposal. However, before arranging a visit to D&B to go over
both proposals, Supervisor Wickham suggested sending a copy to an engineering
firm, Fagan Engineering for instance, for an evaluation. He has spoken with Fagan.,
and the cost would- be approximately .$1 ,000. Councilwoman Hussie cautioned that
if-.they do end up with a change, there could .be a significant cost to redraw 'the
entire plan. It was agreed (see resolution no. 15) to engage the services of Fagan
Engineering for an analysis of the D&B plans.
11 :15 A.M. - Youth Issues. Councilman. Townsend stated that the Youth Exposition
has been tentatively set-for May 21st at the Recreation Center. He would like the
Board to go forward at this time with approval for a budget for the exposition, rand
- appointment of. a.planning committee. (see resolution no. 16) . The Board discussed the
proposed ad to be placed in the local newspaper promoting the exposition; and
seeking. identification of those individuals/groups that lead, sponsor, or teach,young
people in Southold Town.
.11 :55 A.M. - Personnel Issues. Discussed offering medical benefits to additional
Town officials who would pay for the cost ($490.00 a month for the family plan, -and
$220.00 a month for an individual plan) . The possibility of requiring a medical
examination was considered. The question was raised about who would be offered
the opportunity to join - currently only elected, but why not appointed; then why
not part-time? There must be additional study before this can be resolved.---The-
Board discussed a memorandum from Board of Appeals Chairman Goehringer advising
that one of.-their part-time Clerk Typists will soon be resigning, and a replacement
will be needed. The Board put a resolution (no. 17) on the agenda authorizing the
Town Clerk to advertise for resumes for a part-time Clerk Typist for that office.---
Authorized. the provisional appointment of an EISEP Aide (resolution no.
Supervisor Wickham explained his proposal for the installation of a new telephone
line for his office, and transfer of the Town Hall main number, 765-1800, to the
Town Clerk's Office, as proposed by the Town Clerk. At the present time many
of the calls to the Supervisor's Office must be transferred to other departments;
and with a limited staff this is burdensome. The Town, Clerk's Office is better -able
to handle the volume and has volunteered to do so, explaining that under the- new
configuration of numbers, the calls will level off (see resolution no. 19 authorizing
installation of the new. line) .---Request from Assessor Cha'irman Russell for- an-
increase in per diem -pay for their Consultant Jack Sherwood. Mr. Sherwood'-
not had an increase in four years, and the $4,800 budgeted for his 1994 services
will not increase (see resolution no. 20) .
12:20' P.M. - William Araneo, Branch Manager of Suffolk County National Bantk
Mattituc.k, and._ President of the Southold Town Promotion Committee, met - with-the
Town Board to introduce Gail Marriner-Smith, the new part-time Promotion Director.
Ms. Marriner-Smith made a brief statement to the Board. At the conclusion of this
meeting, Councilwoman Hussie agreed to be the Town Board's liaison to the Promotion
Committee.
12:35 P.M. - Recess for lunch.
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1 :50 P.M. - The Work Session reconvened, and the Board commenced discussion on
Planning ..and Zoning Issues. Hamlet Density: Lengthy discuss with regard to
rezoning certain Hamlet Density (HD) parcels to Residential - 2 acre (R-80) . The
parcels in question, were subject -of review, discussion, and a special Town Board
Work Session on February 25th. Eight HD parcels -are the subject of the study. (1)
Kace Realty, south side Route 48, 1,000 ft. east, of Chapel Lane, Greenport; (2)
Geier_ Estate, south side Route 48; 400 ft. west `of Moore's Lane, Greenport; (3)
Aliano, south side Route 25, 577 feet east of 9th Street, Greenport; (4) Wolowitz,
north side. Route 25, 1 ,139 ft. northeast of Sound Road, Greenport; (5) : Mohring,
east side Chapel Lane, south of Route 48 and north of Route, 25, Greenport; (6)
Nocro Ltd., northern end of. Griffing Lane, 1 ,076 ft. north of Route 25, Cutchogue;
(7) Siolas, south side Route 48, 805 ft. east of Chapel Lane, Greenport; (8) Jem
Realty, north side Route 25, 564 ft. east of Sound Drive, Greenport. After lengthy
- discussion- Supervisor -Wickham put forth the proposal to rezone to R-80 parcels 1 , --
2, 4, 5, 7, 8. Parcel 6 in Cutchogue to stay HD, and parcel 3 in Greenport could
go to General Business at a later date. Support for the proposal was. received from
Councilwoman Oliva, Councilman Townsend, and Justice Evans. Councilwoman Hussie
said she . is opposed to change, she is concerned about litigation. Councilman
Lizewski said he does not support the -proposal unless they do all of the HD parcels,
and then he still foresees massive litigation. A resolution (no. 23) was placed on
the agenda to engage the services . of Cramer, Voorhis & Associates, Environmental
Consultants, to prepare the Long Environmental Assessment Forms for the parcels
in .question. " The Board should be in a position to commence the environmental
process at their March 22nd meeting.---Fast Food:- Councilwoman Oliva submitted
four proposals for conceptual approval by the Town Board: (1) Create a definition
for Formula Food Restaurants, and rename existing definition for Fast Food
Restaurants to Take-Out Restaurants. (2) Allow Formula Restaurants in specified
portions of "B" General Business zones (that fall under the Shopping Center
definition) by Special Exception, and in "HB" Hamlet Business zones by Special
Exception. ., (3) Allow the newly defined Take=Out Restaurants in the HB zone by
Special Exception. (4) Create a definition for 'Shopping Center. Following
discussion, it was,. -agreed the Town Attorney would put,,--the proposal in Local Law
form for discussion at a Planning E Zoning Committee to be held on March 18th.
Councilman Lizewski emphasized that he would like to have input from the business
community on this proposal before moving to a public hearing.
3,:.15 P.M. = Tom Samuels, Chairman of Stewardship Task Force, met with the Board
to review the proposals 'from the Task Force on accessory uses at wineries, lobbying
the County for open space funding, revisions to bed-and-breakfast ordinance,
facilitate shared housing, improve data base on affordable housing, revisions to the
sign ordinance.' 'Councilman Lizewski asked that all of the proposals go to the Code
Review Committee so there can be public input. Councilwoman Oliva suggested that
the. wineries proposal go .to the Planning E Zoning Committee.---Mr. Samuels then
reviewed the agenda, and outlined the program for the April 9th hamlet confer-
ence entitled, "Southold: One Town, Many Places" .
3:55 P.M. - Supervisor Wickham introduced to the Board Pat Conklin, who he has
selected' as a part-time Clerk Stenographer in his office, and who will be appointed
,at. the 7:30 P.M. Regular Meeting (resolution no. 11) .
4:00 P.M. - Policy Decisions. The Board reviewed several more policy decisions (see
resolution no. 21) .---Councilman Townsend submitted a proposal from Daniel Karpen,
Professional Engineer S ' Consultant, P.C. , who would apply, on behalf of the Town,
for a State Energy Office Energy Conservation Grant. it was agreed that before
action is. taken on the proposal, Supervisor Wickham would talk to Superintendent
.of. Highways Jacobs and Police Chief Droskoski, and possibly seek a LILCO Energy -
Audit.---Lauren Grant, . Supervisor Wickham's Secretary, and Chairperson of the Site
Selection' Committee for a home for the Aid to the Developmentally Disabled, reported
.to the Town Board on the progress of the committee. The -committee -will -be-
prepared to.. make a formal recommendation to the Town Board at their March 22nd
meeting.---Councilwoman Hussie asked if a procedure could be established whereby
Board ..members .can be notified of work sessions and public meetings of the Board
of .Appeals, Trustees; and Planning Board. The Town Clerk will coordinate.---.
Councilman Lizewski -asked for some reaularity for standing committee meetings.
This will, be arranged.---The Town Board reviewed the offer of dedication of a
portion of .Rachael's .Road, Mattituck, in the area of a Town affordable housing
Project, . and placed resolution no. 22 on the agenda to accept the offer of dedication
submitted by Buovodantona Aliperti.
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EXECUTIVE SESSION
4:35 P.M. - On motion of Councilwoman Hussie, seconded by Councilwoman Oliva,
it was Resolved that the Town Board enter into Executive Session to discuss
litigation. Present: Supervisor Wickham, Councilman Lizewski, Councilwoman
Hussie, Councilman Townsend, Councilwoman Oliva, Justice Evans, Town Clerk
Terry, Town Attorney Dowd.
5;00 P.M. - The Board reviewed the resolutions to be voted on at the 7:30 P.M.
Regular Meeting. --
5:30 P.M. - Work Session adjourned.
REGULAR MEETING
A Regular Meeting of the Southold Town Board was held. on March 8,
1994, at the Southold Town Hall, Main Road, Southold, New York.
Supervisor Wickham opened the meeting at 7:30 P.M. with the Pledge of
Allegiance to the Flag.
Present: Supervisor Thomas H. Wickham
Councilman Joseph J. Lizewski
Councilwoman Alice J. Hussie
Councilman Joseph L. Townsend, Jr.
Councilwoman Ruth D. Oliva
Justice Louisa P. Evans
Town Clerk Judith T. Terry
Town Attorney Laury L. Dowd
SUPERVISOR WICKHAM: Just a reminder about the ground rules at Town
Board meetings. We normally have a period prior to adoption of the
resolutions for people who want to speak on any of the resolutions, that are
before the Board tonight. At the end of the meeting we have an
opportunity for members of the audience to comment on anything, that is of
importance to the Town Board to know about. We're asking• that you keep
your comments brief. There is a fair number of people tonight, and we
actually have a timer alarm here tonight to be sure that people do keep them
brief. Was it five minutes, ten minutes; that we asked? I believe that is
was a five minute period, that each person is entitled to use in addressing
the Board, ten minutes for a public hearing, five minutes for a 'regularly
scheduled meeting of this kind. Those of you want to know what the
.resolutions are tonight, there is a copy of the agenda, with a summary of
those resolutions, outside the door. You should all have a copy of it. First
of all, we'll ask for•a motion of the audit of the bills.
Moved' by Councilwoman Oliva, seconded by Justice Evans, it was
RESOLVED that the following bills be and hereby ordered paid: General
Fund Whole Town bills in the amount of $52;306.52; General Fund Part Town
bills in the amount of $13,571 .38; Nutrition Fund bills in the amount of
$3,985.64; Community Development Fund bills in the amount of $47,569.98;
- Highway. Fund- bills-.in the amount of $1,621 .67; Highway Fund Part Town'
bills in the amount of $3,410.18; Waterfront Revitalization bills in the
amount of. $366.66; Employee Health Benefit Plan bills in the amount of
$7,976.10; Fishers Island Ferry District bills in the amount of $13,563.60;
Refuse E Garbage bills in the amount of $58,481 .21; Southold Wastewater
District bills in the amount of $70.00; Southold Agency & Trust bills in the
amount of $2,200.80; Fishers Island Ferry District Agency & Trust bills in
the amount of $358.99.
Vote of' the Town Board: Ayes: Justice Evans, Councilwoman Oliva,
Councilman Townsend, Councilwoman 'Hussie, Councilman Lizewski,
Supervisor Wickham.
This resolution was duly ADOPTED.
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SUPERVISOR WICKHAM: We have before us minutes of the meeting of
February 24, 1994. Is the Board prepared to accept them?
Moved by Councilwoman Hussie, seconded by Supervisor Wickham, it was
RESOLVED that the minutes of the February 24, 1994 Town Board meeting
be and hereby approved.
Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Justice Evans, Councilwoman Oliva,
Councilman Townsend, Councilwoman Hussie, Councilman Lizewski,
Supervisor Wickham.
This resolution was duly ADOPTED.
SUPERVISOR. WICKHAM:- .We have another meeting scheduled for later this
month.
Moved ,by Councilwoman Oliva, seconded by Supervisor Wickham, it was
RESOLVED that the next regular meeting of the Southold Town Board will
be at 4:30 P.M., Tuesday, March 22, 1994,at the Southold Town Hall,
Southold, New York.
Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Justice Evans, Councilwoman Oliva,
Councilman Townsend, Councilwoman - Hussie, Councilman Lizewski,
Supervisor Wickham.
This resolution was duly ADOPTED.
I . REPORTS.
1. Southold Town's Program for the Disabled.
2. Southold Town • Building Department Monthly Report for February,
1994.
3. Southold Town Scavenger Waste Treatment Facility Monthly Report
— for February;- 1994.
4. Southold Town Clerk's Monthly Report for February, 1994.
5. Southold Town Recreation Department Monthly Report of February,
1994.
6. Southold Town Justice Price's Monthly Court Report for February,
1994.
7. Southold Town Police Juvenile Aid Bureau Annual Report for
January, 1993 through December, 1993'.
.8. Southold Town Police Arrest Report for January, 1994.
9. Southold 'Town Justice Tedeschi's Monthly Court Report for
February, -1994.
10. Southold Town Dog Shelter Monthly Report for February, 1994.
11 . PUBLIC NOTICES.
1 . Corps of Army Engineers New York District, application of
William T. Moller to construct a pier, a hinged. ramp, and a float to be
secured to two pilings and one 2-pile dolphin in Horseshoe Cove, Great
Peconic Bay- Cutchogue, Town of Southold, Suffolk County, New York.
Comments to be received by March 22, 1994.
2. Corps of Army Engineers, New York District, application Francis
C. Murphy to construct a fixed timber pier, walk ramp, and a float to be
secured to .dolphins. at . Stirling Basin, Shelter Island Sound, Greenport,
Town of Southold, Suffolk County, New York. Comments to be received by
March 22, 1994.
Ill. COMMUNICATIONS. None.
IV. PUBLIC HEARINGS. None.
V. 'RESOLUTIONS.
SUPERVISOR WICKHAM: That takes . care of the preliminary business for
tonight. We have no public - hearings, and we do have a series of
resolutions. Some of you have copies of the .agenda, and summary of those
resolutions. Is there anyone in the audience, who would like to speak
towards one or more of these resolutions? Yes, sir, Frank?
FRANK CARLIN: Frank Carlin, Laurel, from the Carlin Watchdog
Group. Item 8 on the purchase of a Supercab Ford Pickup, that was
purchase in Sayville, I understand. . We can't seem to purchase anything
local at the Ford distributor here, or does the State law require that?
SUPERVISOR WICKHAM: Frank, we also asked that question today, as we
reviewed these resolutions.ns. We went out to bid, and there was a bid from a
local company, and it was close, but it was not as low cost as this one,
that's before us tonight.
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FRANK CARLIN: Item 15, transfer station, whatever happened to the one
that we started back in the fall? We started to build this transfer station
here, and whatever happened to it? It seemed to come to a halt to me, and
- - there's. a concrete- foundation there, as far as I see. . Whatever-happened to
it?
SUPERVISOR WICKHAM: The Town built, beginning in October, a
temporary transfer facility, which we're using right now. The DEC has
given us ' to understand that that will not suffice indefinitely. That's a
temporary station, while we put in place a permanent station. We have
before .us plans for a permanent station. Those plans call for a fairly
substantial expenditure of money. The purpose of resolutions Number. 15 is
to -review those plans, it's like a second .opinion from a doctor, review
those plans with another engineering firm to be sure that it is in the
Town's interest, and we're not paying for more than we need.
FRANK CARLIN: You're using it now, though?
SUPERVISOR WICKHAM: No. The new transfer station for which Resolution
15 is addressed has yet to'be built.
FRANK CARLIN: Do you have an idea what it's going to cost us?
SUPERVISOR WICKHAM: Resolution 15, 1 think, has a set price of
$1:,000.00 to review the plans.
FRANK CARLIN: To review it? You should know by now how much the
thing is going to cost the taxpayers.
SUPERVISOR WICKHAM: We believe, that it will be on the order of
$200,000.00 to $400,000.00 to build the building, that has been designed,
and that's why we want to review these plans once more before we take that
plunge.
FRANK CARLIN: Okay. You know I think you're aware of, I'm not going
to take, much more time here, but I know, I believe you're aware that
they're trying to pass a federal 'law by September there will be, if it
passes, it could be that there will be no more out-of-state shipping of
garbage. You're aware of that, I hope? If that happens it's going to be
changing a lot of things around there, I presume. Don't you think so?
Well, they are according to Ray Corwin, the Regional Director of the DEC.
SUPERVISOR WICKHAM: Alice Hussie and I attended a meeting in New
York last week on the Association of Towns at which this was discussed at
some length. We also recognize the possibility of that, and indeed, we are
looking for ways to dispose 'of solid waste here on Long Island, but we want
it to be cost competitive. We want it to be a low cost solution.
FRANK CARLIN: But, as you know, there's only five incinerators plants
on the west end, and if they come to the point some day, when they can't
accept our- garbage, we might have a problem here, so, I think, start
looking a little bit forward here. Also, I understand you have a cost of"
$80,000.00, according to Mrs. Hussie -there, for the study, but you you
have plan proposed to give to the DEC by April 15th, right? The garbage
disposal plan, do you have a plan in operation to be given to the DEC by
April 15th, am I correct in saying that?
COUNCILWOMAN HUSSIE: We have a Solid Waste Management Plan.
SUPERVISOR WICKHAM: It has been sent already.
FRANK CARLIN: It has been - sent, and you hope that it gets accepted,
right? It's a possibility it might not be accepted, right, and if it isn't
we go back to the drawing board, right? Okay, I wish you luck.
SUPERVISOR WICKHAM: Thank you. Any other comments on resolutions
before the Board tonight? (No response. ) If not, would someone on the
Board`like to begin?
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I .-Moved by Councilman Townsend, seconded by Councilwoman Oliva, it was
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby authorizes
and directs the Town Clerk to advertise for bids for a new 1994 Street
Sweeper for the Superintendent of Highways.
I .-Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Justice Evans, Councilwoman Oliva,
Councilman Townsend, Councilwoman Hussie, Councilman Lizewski,
Supervisor Wickham.
This. resolution was duly ADOPTED.
2.-Moved by Justice Evans, seconded by Councilman Townsend, it was
RESOLVED that the Town Board- of the Town of Southold hereby authorizes
Superintendent of Highways Raymond L. Jacobs to purchase, from New .
York State Bid Contract No. 16612-T, one new 1994 Samsung Model SL150
3-Yard Wheel Loader, at. a price of $77,211 .00.
2.-Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Justice Evans, Councilwoman Oliva,
Councilman Townsend, Councilwoman Hussie, Councilman Lizewski,
Supervisor Wickham.
This resolution was duly ADOPTED.
SUPERVISOR WICKHAM: We have before us tonight, as Resolutions #3, a
- proclamation being made to -the American Legion, which is celebrating it's
75th anniversary today, and I would like to read that proclamation. It
will be actually handed out to the various American Legion posts in the town
at some future stage, when everyone is here. But, I would just like to read
the proclamation. I have a copy right here.
3.-Moved by Supervisor Wickham, seconded by Councilman Lizeski,
WHEREAS, The American Legion, the nation's largest veterans
organization, marks its 75th birthday March :15-17, 1994; and
WHEREAS, the 3.1 million men and woman of The American Legion
continue to serve our nation as volunteers in a variety of worthy efforts;
and
WHEREAS, the citizens of the Town of Southold, in the County of Suffolk,
appreciate the many community projects undertaken by the men and women
of Griswold-Terry-Glover Post No. 803, Burton Potter Post No. 185,
Raymond Cleaves Post No. 861, and Alfred R. Grebe Post No. 1045; and
WHEREAS, this devoted service to our community continues to benefit a
diverse public through such programs as American Boys State, American
Scholarship Programs, and many more specialized efforts; and
WHEREAS; the volunteer spirit of the members of
Griswold-Terry-GloverPost No.803, Burton Potter Post No. 185, Raymond
Cleaves Post No. 861, and Alfred R. Grebe Post No. 1045 is fitting of
- recognition by all citizens of- the Town of Southold, County of Suffolk; now,
therefore, be it
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold do hereby call
upon all citizens to observe March 15-17, 1994 as the 75th birthday of
The American Legion, and commends the volunteerism, community spirit,
and dedication of the men and women of Griswold-Terry-Clover Post No.
803, Southold, New York, Burton Potter Post No. 185, Greenport, New
York, Raymond Cleaves Post No. 861, Mattituck, New York, and Alfred R.
Grebe Post .No. 1045, Fishers Island, New York as outstanding examples
of commitment to their community.:
Dated: March 8, 1994.
SUPERVISOR WICKHAM: Is there anyone here from these posts with us
tonight? (No response. ) This was read out, and it will be made, and
presented to them on the appropriate .day for their service to the community.
3.-Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Justice Evans, Councilwoman Oliva,
Councilman Townsend, Councilwoman Hussie, Councilman Lizewski,
Supervisor Wickham.
This resolution was duly ADOPTED.
SUPERVISOR WICKHAM: This morning we had another proclamation for the
American Red.. Cross where the month of March is set aside as. dedicated.-to
the Red Cross as a special recognition to the work, and achievements of that
organization has played nationally and in this town. We had a Charlotte
Blanche. She was the Regional Administrator of the Red Cross here to
receive that this morning. She couldn't be here tonight, so we presented it
in the morning.
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4.-Moved by Councilwoman Oliva, seconded by Councilwoman Hussie, it was
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby authorizes _
the following budget modification to the General Fund - Whole Town 1993
Budget to cover additional services provided pursuant to Town Board
resolution of December 7, 1993 for Local Waterfront Revitalization Project not included in capital projects fund chargeable to the General Fund.
To:
A1010.4 Town Board, Contractual Expenses $ 4,500.00
From:
A8540.4 Drainage, Contractual Expenses $ 4,500:00
4.-Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Justice Evans, Councilwoman Oliva,
Councilman Townsend, Councilwoman Hussie, Councilman Lizewski,
Supervisor Wickham.
This resolution.was duly ADOPTED.
5.-Moved by Councilman Lizewski, seconded by Councilwoman Hussie, it was
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby appoints
-- Charles Martin Krause as a -part-time Gate Attendant at the Southold- .Town.
Disposal Area, effective immediately, at salary of $6.50 per hour.
5.-Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Justice Evans, Councilwoman Oliva,
Councilman Townsend, Councilwoman Hussie, Councilman Lizewski,
Supervisor Wickham.
This resolution was duly ADOPTED.
6.-Moved by Supervisor Wickham, seconded by Councilwoman Oliva, it was
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby authorizes
and directs Supevisor Thomas Wickham to execute agreements with the
following individuals or businesses for the Spring 1994 Recreation Programs,
all in accordance with the approval of the Town Attorney.
James Barney (drama) $20. per hour
Shirley Darling (tennis) $16.00 per class( [ hour class)
East End Insurance(defensive driving) $35.00 per person enrolled
Tom Fox(cartoon drawing) $22.50 per class( 1 .25 hour class)
Daniel Gladstone (music) $30.00 per class( 1 .25 hour class)
Hidden Lake Farms (horseback riding) $175.00 per person enrolled
Paul Hunter (gardening) $17.00 per hour
Eleanora Kopek (arts & crafts $16.00 per class(1 hour class)
Mary Mooney-Getoff (Chinese cooking) $25.00 per hour
Jennifer Moore (portrait drawing) $18.00 per hour
Valentine Stype (basketball) $15.00 per hour
JoAnn Terkowski(folk dancing) $16.00 per hour
Aileen Rosin (aerobics) $20.00 per class
6--Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Justice Evans, Councilwoman Oliva,
Councilman Townsend, Councilwoman Hussie, Councilman Lizewski,
Supervisor Wickham.
This resolution was duly ADOPTED.
7.-Moved .by Councilwoman Hussie, seconded by Justice Evans, it was
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby authorizes
and directs Supervisor Wickham to execute an agreement between the
County of Suffolk, acting through its duly constituted Office of the County
Executive/STOP-DWI program, and the Town of Southold, for the
STOP-DWI funding for enforcement activities by the Southold Town police
personnel, effective January 1, 1994 through December 31, 1994, at a total'
contract amount of $12,100.00; all in accordance with the approval of the
Town Attorney.
7.-Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Justice Evans, Councilwoman Oliva,
Councilman Townsend, Councilwoman Hussie, Councilman Lizewski,
Supervisor Wickham.
This resolution was duly ADOPTED.
8-.-Moved by Councilwoman Hussie, seconded by Councilman Lizeski, it was
_ RESOLVED that- the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby accepts
the bid of Sayville Ford, in the amount of $16,799.00, for supplying one
(1) new. 1994 Ford F-150 Supercab Pickup for the Bay Constable, all in
accordance with the bid specifications.
8.-Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Justice Evans, Councilwoman Oliva,
Councilman Townsend, Councilwoman Hussie, Councilman. Lizewski,
Supervisor Wickham.
This resolution was duly ADOPTED.
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9.-Moved by Councilman Townsend, seconded by Justice Evans, it was
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby grants
permission to Bay Constable Kent McCarthy and Andrew Epple to attend
a Marine Law Enforcement Training Seminar from May 9 through 13, 1994,
between the hours of 8:00 A.M. and 5:00 P.M. each day, at the SUNY
Stony Brook campus, and the $20.00 registration fee per attendee, and
necessary expenses for -travel and meals shall be a legal charge to the Bay
Constable's 1994 Budget.
9.-Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Justice Evans, Councilwoman Oliva,
Councilman . Townsend, Councilwoman Hussie, Councilman Lizewski
Supervisor Wickham.
This resolution was duly .ADOPTED.
10.-Moved by.Justice Evans, moved by Councilwoman Olvia, it was
- RESOLVED that-the -Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby grants
permission to two (2) Public Safety Dispatchers to attend a Two-Day
Powerphone Emergency Dispatch Seminar, sponsored by the East Hampton
Village Police Department, on May 5 and 6, 1994, from 8:30 A.M. to 4:30
P.M., and the $204.00 registration per attendee, and necessary expenses for
travel and meals shall be a legal charge to the Police Department's- 1994
Budget.
10.-Vote of. the Town Board: Ayes: Justice Evans, Councilwoman Oliva,
Councilman - Townsend, Councilwoman Hussie, Councilman Lizewski,
Supervisor Wickham.
This resolution was duly ADOPTED.
11 .-Moved by Supervisor Wickham, seconded by Councilwoman Oliva, it was
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby appoints
Patricia Conklin as a part-time stenographer for the Supervisor's Office
effective Thursday, March 10, 1994, 17-112' hours per week, at a salary of
$7.61 per hour.
11 .-Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Justice Evans, Councilwoman Oliva,
Councilman Townsend, Councilwoman Hussie, Councilman Lizewski,
Supervisor Wickham.
This resolution was duly ADOPTED.
12.-Moved by Councilwoman Oliva, seconded by Justice Evans, it was
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby accepts,
with regret, "the resignation of Thomas Riley, Assistant Cook for the
Southold Town Nutrition Program, effective March 5, 1994.
12.-Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Justice Evans, Councilwoman Oliva,
Councilman Townsend, Councilwoman Hussie, ' Councilman Lizewski,
Supervisor Wickham.
This resolution was 'iduly ADOPTED.
13.-Moved by Councilman Townsend, seconded by Justice Evans, it was
RESOLVED. that the Town Board of .the Town of Southold hereby authorizes
the following budget modification to the General Fund - Whole Town 1993
Budget to cover overdrawn appropriation for a heater at the Highway
Department welding shop:
To:
A1620.4. . Buildings & Grounds, Contractual Expenses $ 1,000.00
From:
A1640.4 Central Garage, Contractual Expenses $ 1,000.00
13.-Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Justice Evans, Councilwoman Oliva,
Councilman Townsend, Councilwoman Hussie, Councilman Lizewski,
Supervisor Wickham.
This resolution was duly ADOPTED.-
14:-Moved by Councilman Lizewski, seconded by Councilwoman Hussie, .it was
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby authorizes
and .directs the Town Clerk to advertise for resumes for an Assistant Cook
for the Southold Town Nutrition Center, 35 hours per week, ,$8.02 per hour.
.14.-Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Justice Evans, Councilwoman Oliva,
Councilman Townsend, Councilwoman Hussie, Councilman Lizewski,
Supervisor Wickham.
This resolution was duly ADOPTED.
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15.-Moved, by Councilwoman Oliva, seconded by Justice Evans, it was
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby engages
the services of Fagan Engineers to review the plans that have been
prepared by Dvirka & 'Bartilucci for a Transfer Station at the Southold
Town Disposal Area, at a cost not to exceed $1,000.00.
15.-Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Justice Evans, Councilwoman Oliva,
Councilman Townsend, Councilwoman Hussie, Councilman Lizewski,
Supervisor Wickham.
This resolution was duly- .ADOPTED.
.16.-Moved by Supervisor Wickham, seconded by Councilman Townsend, it was
RESOLVED that - the .Town Board of .the Town of Southold -hereby sets
Saturday, May 21, 1994, Southold Town Recreation Center, Peconic. Lane,
Peconic, for a Youth Exposition., allocates a sum not to exceed $1,200.00 for
expenses to be incurred for publicity and arrangements for said Exposition,-
and be it '
FURTHER RESOLVED that the Town Board . hereby creates a Youth
Exposition Planning Committee, and appoints the following individuals who
shall serve on said committee without compensation.
Isaac Kaplan
Three other students from local schools (to be identified)
Mark Cagen
Jean Cochran
Southold Town Recreation Supervisor Kenneth Reeves
Southold Town Community Development Director James McMahon
Southold Town Councilman Jospeh L. Townsend, Jr.
Shelly Scoggin
Eileen Kapell
Robert Costantini
Anne McDonald
Alan Connell
Walter Krupski
Sue Kreilling
Margaret Brown .
16.-Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Justice Evans, Councilwoman Oliva,
Councilman Townsend, Councilwoman Hussie, Councilman Lizewski,
Supervisor Wickham.
This resolution was duly ADOPTED.
17.-Moved by Justice Evans, seconded by Councilwoman Oliva, it was
RESOLVED that the Town Board of theTown of Southold hereby
authorizes and directs the Town Clerk to advertise for resumes for a
part-time Clerk Typist for the Board of Appeals, 17-1 2 hours per week,
$6.82 per hour.
17.-Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Justice Evans, Councilwoman Oliva,
Councilman Townsend, Councilwoman Hussie, Councilman Lizewski,
Supervisor Wickham.
This resolution was duly ADOPTED.
18.-Moved by Councilwoman Hussie, seconded by Councilman Lizewski, it was
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby appoints
Elaine Schortemeier provisionally as an EISEP (Expanded . In-Home.
Services for the Elderly Program) Aide, 17-1/2 hours per week, $5.50 per
hour, effective March 9, 1994.
18.- Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Justice Evans, Councilwoman Oliva,
Councilman Townsend, Councilwoman Hussie, Councilman Lizewski,
Supervisor Wickham.
This resolution was duly ADOPTED.
19.-Moved by Councilman Lizewski, seconded by Justice Evans, it was
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby authorizes
the installation of a new telephone line to the existing system at Southold
Town Hall, at a cost not to exceed $282.05.
19.-Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Justice Evans, Councilwoman Oliva,
Councilman Townsend, Councilwoman Hussie, Councilman Lizewski,
Supervisor Wickham.
This resolution was duly ADOPTED.
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20.-Moved by Councilwoman Oliva, seconded by Justice Evans, it was
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby authorizes
an increase in the per day compensation of Assessor Consultant John
Sherwood from $100.00 to $125.00, effective January 1, 1994, provided the
total compensation for 1994 does not exceed $4,800.00.
20.-Vote of the Town Board: ' Ayes: Justice Evans, Councilwoman Oliva,
Councilman Townsend, Councilwoman Hussie, Councilman Lizewski,
Supervisor`Wickham.
This resolution was duly ADOPTED.
21 .-Moved by Councilwoman -Hussie, seconded by Supervisor Wickham, it was
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby reaffirms,
and/or amends the following Town Board Policy Decisions:
POLICY WITH RESPECT TO LATENESS
RESOLVED that when an employee is absent without authorization for any
length , of time; no matter how de minimis , and ' where the relevant
department ' head determines that there is no satisfactory excuse or
legitimate . explanation, the employee shall not be compensated for such
period of lateness, and a corresponding deduction shall be made against the
pay period during which the absence occurs; said determination shall be
reduced to writing by the department head.
POLICY WITH RESPECT TO WORK/STUDY STUDENTS
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby establishes
.the policy, which has been practiced in the past, that Work/Study Students
are excluded from the C.S.E.A. Contract, and shall not be entitled to
'benefits, or receive credit for time worked for the Town of Southold.
POLICY WITH RESPECT TO EMPLOYMENT ADVANCEMENT
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby establishes
a policy that they will consider promotions' for those Town employees who are
duly qualified for such promotions by virtue of Civil Service designation.
POLICY WITH RESPECT TO SALARY GUIDELINES -
RESOLVED by the Town Board of the Town of Southold that year-round,
part-time employees shall be hired at the following rates:
Clerk $6.30 per hour
Clerk-Typist $6.82 per hour
Clerk-Stenographer $7.61 per hour
Justice Court Clerk $7.61 per hour
Account Clerk $8.40 per hour
,Data Entry Operator $7.87 per hour
Custodial Worker $6.56 per hour
These employees shall be eligible for per hour percentage increases
comparable to, those of the CSEA contract and at dates provided for in
that contract.
21 .-Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Justice Evans, Councilwoman Oliva,
Councilman Townsend, Councilwoman Hussie, Councilman Lizewski,
Supervisor Wickham.
This resolution was duly ADOPTED.
22.7Moved by. Supervisor Wickham, seconded by Councilwoman Oliva, it was
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby accepts
the offer of: dedication submitted by Buovodantona Aliperti,of a portion
of Rachael's Road, Mattituck, all in accordance with the terms for offer
-- - of dedication- -as executed by Supervisor Thomas Wickham and
Buovodantona . Aliperti, dated March 3, 1994, as approved by the Town
Attorney. Description of the portion of Rachael's Road is as follows:
Beginning at a 'point on . the southerly side of Rachael's Road, said point
being distant 320.00 feet westerly from the end of a curve connecting the
southerly side of Rachael's Road and the westerly side of Elijah's Lane;*
thence westerly -along the southerly side of Rachael's Road South 51
degrees .21 minutes 10 seconds West 67.47 feet and along the arc of a curve
bearing to the right having a radius of 175.00 feet and. a length of 135.64
feet; thence northerly across Rachael's Road North 5 degrees 45 minutes
43 seconds East 50.00 feet to the northerly side of Rachael's Road along
the arc of a curve bearing to the left having a radius of 150.00 feet and
length of 96.89 feet and North 51 degrees 2.1 minutes 10 seconds East 67.47
feet; thence southerly across Rachael's Road Southold 38 degrees 38
minutes 50 seconds East 50.00 feet to the point or place of beginning.
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SUPERVISOR WICKHAM: This resolution will, if adopted, transfer to the
Town a portion
properly. of road, which will enable the Town to maintain that - road
22.-Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Justice Evans, Councilwoman Oliva,
__- Councilman . --Townsend, Councilwoman Hussie, Councilman Lizewski;
Supervisor Wickham.
This resolution was duly ADOPTED.
23.-Moved by Councilman Townsend, seconded by Councilwoman Oliva, it was
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby accepts
the proposal of Cramer, Voorhis 8 Associates, dated March 8, 1994, at a
total sum not to exceed $1,200.00, for the preparation of Long Environmental
Assessment Forms for six (6) proposed rezonings to be undertaken on the
Town Board's own motion.
.23.-Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Justice Evans, Councilwoman Oliva,
Councilman Townsend, Councilwoman Hussie, Councilman Lizewski,
Supervisor Wickham.
This resolution was duly ADOPTED.
24.-Moved by Councilwoman Hussie, seconded by Councilman Lizewski, it was
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby authorizes
the purchase of one (1 ) new plain paper fax machine for Southold Town
Hall, from Twin Forks Office Products, at a cost of $1,995.00.
24.-Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Justice Evans, Councilwoman Oliva,
Councilman Townsend, Councilwoman Hussie, Councilman Lizewski,
Supervisor Wickham.
This resolution was duly ADOPTED.
SUPERVISOR WICKHAM: That completes our resolutions for tonight.
There's been a very patient audience out there, while we've gone through
these things. You've heard what business we transacted today. I might add
that about a third of these resolutions were prepared late this afternoon,
and our Town Clerk, I don't think you had any dinner, did you?
TOWN CLERK TERRY: No.
SUPERVISOR WICKHAM: Has gotten them all prepared for us with a real
level of efficiency. What would you like to speak about at this time? Are
there people in the audience, who would like to 'speak? Yes. We have a
person on the left.
ED SIEGMANN: Ed Siegmann. First before I say what I want, I want to
make sure that everyone understands, I'm in favor of doing anything you
can for the youth to, either, keep them out of trouble, or to take care of
them when they get into trouble. But, I've read some articles in the paper
lately, that I think is giving the Board a bum rap in reference to how
they're handling . the situation on proposing what to be done for the youth,
and the money to be spent, and the reason I say this, I just want to take
one school district alone, that's the Mattituck-Cutchogue School District.
They spend $336;202.-00 each year for four guidance counselors, one
psychiatrist, and one part-time psychiatrist. They also spend $201,408.00
for extra curricular activities for the youth, which is a total of
$537,688.00. This is only one school district, that's spending that kind of
taxpayers' money. When you move to all of the other school districts, and
add what their spending, you're talking somewhere in the figure of a million
and a half dollars, that is being spent by the taxpayer for. guidance
counselors, psychiatrists, . and recreation, things to keep the youth busy,
and I congratulate the Board for taking the position, that they are, that
they want to look at all these things first before they determine . what
they're going to do, as far as the youth program is concerned, because I
think it would be a mistake, either to duplicate any of the programs, that
are already in effect, or not to use some of the organizations, that are
already in effect to take care of the . problem for youth, and when they get
into trouble, and you know better than I what those organizations are, and
therefore if you continue along those lines, you will eventually come out
with a program for the youth that's worthwhile, and not spend the
taxpayers' money foolishly. Thank you.
SUPERVISOR WICKHAM: Thank you, Ed. I wonder if this would be an
appropriate time to ask if there's anyone on the Board, who would like to
outline briefly the resolution, that we did adopt tonight, regarding youth.
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COUNCILMAN TOWNSEND: I guess that's directed at me, Tom. Awhile
back the Town B_oard decided it would be a' good idea to, perhaps, have a
survey done of all the activities,. that are offered in the --town; private,
public, by schools, individuals, and put them in a brochure, so that people
in the town know what's available. Along with that, we thought it might be
in the spirit of, you -know, town cooperation and communication, to have a
exposition of these activities. Consequently, I got together a small
working committee of a few people, that have started making a list, filling
survey forms of the activities that are available. The goal is to have a
big event, where we will have everybody in a booth, or a table, and show
the community' what is available, provide the people, that are running these
activities with both potential members, and volunteers. Also, give these
people an opportunity to review what they do, and put it down in a graphic
form, so that people can see what they do, and give the town a chance to
review what kind of support is needed. We thought we would have the
meeting in the morning, an exposition in the morning, and people come, and
see what is available, and then in the afternoon session we would have a
meeting of the members of the people that participated to see how the Town
could better service these activities through facilities, perhaps some help
with insurance, outright funding, and so shortly you'll be seeing an
announcement in the paper asking for people, that are either involved in
activities now, run activities, or have an idea for an activity, or want to
support an activity, to contact us, and we've expanded the committee
somewhat, so that we can more effectively do this. Basically, we're hoping
-- we'll have a festive spirit, a spirit of cooperation, and -a strengthening--of the recreation environment in town through those people, that are now doing
it out of personal commitment.
SUPERVISOR WICKHAM: Thank you, Joe. Are there any other comments
from the audience tonight?
FRANK CARLIN: Does that five minutes also apply to the Town Board?
SUPERVISOR WICKHAM: Yes. Absolutely.
FRANK CARLIN: I'll start now. Southold is ahead in recycling. I read
this in the February issue of our local newspaper. You make it look so
rosy, that we are recycling less than Riverhead Town, but we're not taking
into effect, or into account, that how much, and we think that there's not
much illegal dumping. Well, remember back in November, when the merchants
were complaining from Greenport, and Mattituck, and Southold, that there
was illegal dumping going on in their dumpster. It was so bad, that they
had to put a padlock on it. It was seen in Baiting Hollow at one time right
in the newspaper here, that it was a commercial truck with a Southold logo
on illegally dumping. It was also said in the newspaper here, that it was
seen on Edwards Avenue illegal dumping, so let's not try to give the people
--- in -Southold Town,. please, _ the impression that this .recycling program is.-so - —_- -
great, because let's tell it the way it is. These are facts, and no one in
here, or anybody on the Town Board, is going to tell me that they monitor
over 200 miles of highway . in this town, and there is no illegal dumping.
Let's not try to make everything look so rosy. Tell it the way it is.
SUPERVISOR WICKHAM: Alice, do you want to tell it like it is?
COUNCILWOMAN HUSSIE: No. Go ahead and tell it like it is.
FRANK CARLIN: For my five minutes, I'm allowed two more after you. Go
ahead, ma'am.
COUNCILWOMAN HUSSIE: Finish, Mr. Carlin.
FRANK CARLIN: No, I'm all finished. I proved my point, I think.
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COUN.CILWOMAN HUSSIE: I'm sorry, that I can not agree with you entirely
just because it's written in the paper. , I think that 'one of the things is
that a lot of people are much more aware of illegal dumping, and
unfortunately illegal dumping has been going on, even before we put the
bag program in effect. We are trying very hard to do as many things as we
possible can to prevent this. One of the difficulties is the fact that when
a citizen sees someone doing this illegal dumping, that citizen does not
want to become involved. I get calls. The Police get calls. Anybody else
gets calls, but the person who has seen it does not want to become
involved, and yet without that actual seeing of it, it's it very hard to
prosecute that sort of thing, because the third party comes along, and
says, somebody said that you dumped something here, and the person says,
what do you mean? You weren't even here. It's not something that we are
entirely ignoring, but we're trying to. find the best way to do it, to do it
fairly, to do it legally. I regret that there are- people in the Town of
Riverhead, ' who feel, and I think it was in the same article, that you are
referring to, who feel thata lot of garbage from Southold is winding up in
Riverhead. I don't know what to say about that, except I'm not entirely in
agreement with that. I would much rather see it, than just hear it from
somebody.
SUPERVISOR_ WICKHAM: Thank you, _ Alice. I would just like to _add to
that. Today the Town Board addressed the question of enforcement of the
dumping, and illegal dumping rules in this town. We looked at it very
carefully, and our Solid Waste Coordinator is going to draft some plans for
us, and at our next Town Board meeting, we're going to take on several
different proposals to deal with it. I don't think, that the problem of our
solid waste going to Riverhead is a serious problem, but I do think it's
happening to some extent, and we want to control it, so we're going to
bring out some proposals, that we think will help us to deal with it more
fully.
FRANK CARLIN: Tom, I respect that, and I realize that, but you know,
also, there was found in Laurel Lake area where. there was illegal dumping,
but to make a survey in this time of year in November and December, which
is the winter months, we should make that more in the summer, and then
you can tell . how much recycling you got. When there's more summer people
here,. then you can make your comparison. I'm not saying, they are: in
Riverhead or they're not. I see what I read here. Do you understand what
I'm saying here? So, we can always make everything look so rosy. I'm the
type of guy like my friend Judge Edwards said one time. I say it the way it
is, and I don't care if anybody likes it or not. Let's say it the way it is,
and be honest with ourselves. That's all I'm asking you.
COUNCILWOMAN HUSSIE: One interesting point, Mr. Carlin, Southampton
Is considering. using a bag or a tag system. Doesn't need any comment, just
thought I'd let you know.
FRANK CARLIN: If I had more than five minutes,, I could discuss that.
Someday I will, but you know what bothers me, Tom, a little bit? I have to
admit this. I don't know, it's sitting right in front of it there. When we
have to go so far as put a timer on the Board meeting, I think we're think
we're getting far out of range here. You know, people from other towns
can see it on TV. Please.
SUPERVISOR WICKHAM: Thank you, Frank. Thank you for being with us.
COUNCILMAN TOWNSEND: . Can respond to that last thing? Frank, the
reason we had to do that is, because our Supervisor is so softhearted he
can't bear to tell people, when they've been talking past allotted time, so
you basically forced that on us.
SUPERVISOR WICKHAM: It was a help to me. Is there anyone else in the
audience on the left side, who would like to make a comment? Anyone in the
middle, who's here who would like to address the Board on any topic tonight?
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YVETTE MELLENDER: My name is Yvette Mellender. I live in
Mattituck. I would like to address Number 7, a discussion of fast foods. I
just wrote a few things, and I was here last night. They did open up the
meeting for us to speak, and Mr. Ward, I want to thank him for being the
gentleman, that he is. We wanted a change in government. We have always
listened, and watched, and voted on the issues. In fact, if you see our car
it's sports for the first time ever, because I don't believe in bumper
stickers, a bumper sticker that says United Southold for a Change. We were
here last night. There were about 200 people here last night, and the site
plan was up front, but almost all of those in attendance addressed the
inappropriateness of the Burger King in our town, rather than the site
plan, which is what the meeting was all about. Those of you who were here
yesterday, please bear with me while I read my statement, because those of
you who I would like to hear it again, where not here last night. I'm
sorry. When they had the public hearing on McDonald's somebody sitting
near me said, how , long has your family lived in Southold Town? Joe and I
are first generation family out here. We left homes, and job, and children,
and moved east to this rural area, this paradise. I travel fifty miles each
way to my job. because when I get. home I feel like I am in the Garden of
,F-den. 1 . read recent)y;- that the North Fork is a state of mind. It is--a--way
of life, that we. should all fight to maintain. We love and support our
local businesses. We do our share of restaurant eating, and never found a
lack of eateries. Let's consider our community, and let our voices be heard
in protest against this, and all fast food proposals, and let's give three
cheers for our North Fork hamburgers, and the Elbow Room, and the Half
Shell Republic,. and Fishermen's Rest, and Dougherty's. That's it.
SUPERVISOR WICKHAM: Thank you. Are there other comments, that people
would like to make to the Board tonight? Yes, there's, a lady in the back.
CATHERINE B. HARPER: My name is Catherine B. Harper, and I beg the
Board's indulgence and understanding, and this is my security blanket, and
I'm going to have to read because I have good heart, but not to I tape
change) which graces the entire North Fork, and I can't help the pride that
I feel, but in a greater sense every community member brings something
special to the neighborhood, and I question the endowment, that Burger
King with it's who's kidding who, colonial facade. I question the endowment
that it's going to bring to our community. I believe that Burger King will
give us a late night hangout with many temptations of criminal mischief. I
feel that Burger King will give us pollution, that will assault the senses.
There will be no farm fresh smells coming from there, and further more a lot
- of pollution will deprive many of the grandeur of the nighttime sky, which I --
currently enjoy. But, these are almost small items in the face of the
greater issue, that Burger King compromises our town's character, and
worse than that, I really feel that Burger King will pave the way for the
rest of the fast food life, and they will compound a negative contribution
to our community. Last night Mr. LoGrande proposed a year long
moratorium on fast food establishments, and I really .think that's prudent
and wise. Mr. Wickham, last November you counted on everybody in the
Southold community to vote out good old boy politics, and we didn't let you
down, and we won't let your ticket down, because we believe that you
, represented the quality of 'life that we all value in Southold. Now, we the
community are counting on you to meet the challenge of preventing the
triumph of a onset of convenience at any cost, and if Burger King really
means it's slogan of, have it your way, I'm , appealing to you, please,
please, say no way, and hold the onions.
SUPERVISOR WICKHAM: Well, that a hard act to follow. I do have some
comments, and I know other members of the Board do, and we think we
understand what brings you here tonight, and I can't say, that we can
answer all those questions. I wonder, though, if before we start
responding if it wouldn't• be appropriate to hear a few more people. There
may be other comments, and we'd be able to respond a little better. Frank,
. _ do you have _just a brief comment?
FRANK CARLIN: More than anybody else I'd like to go up.
SUPERVISOR WICKHAM: You've been there, so let's come back to you after
we've had other people. Linda Levy?
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LINDA LEVY: My name is Linda Levy, and I live in Peconic, and just to
make sure it's understood, I'm not speaking on behalf of anyone besides
myself tonight. You just said, that you thought you had a good idea of
why people are here tonight, and I just though maybe I would let you know
what my understanding is, which is that last night the Planning Board had- a
hearing, a public hearing, on the Burger King application. Actually I was a
little bit disappointed, that no one from the" Town Board went to that
hearing, because since you are, or at least you said, that you are
considering a change in the fast food law you might have wanted to hear
-what was transpiring for an application, that's happening right now. But,
anyway, as a result of that meeting people were quite upset. They felt that
they needed to . see a stop to .this Burger King, and they were told quite
clearly'.by the Planning Board, and quite correctly, that the Planning Board
can't stop it. Only the Town Board can, and that's why people are here
tonight. The Planning Board has accepted the application. Under the
-- - current -Town Code, that Burger King -is permitted- in that --zone. The--only
way it can be stopped is for the Town Board to do something. Since a lot
of. the people are unable to come tonight, I was asked to bring you the
petitions that resulted in this hearing, that was held last night. There
are about 350 names here, and I have an additional fifty that I can't give
you, because I have to make copies of them before I- give them out, but this
is for your records. In the months since the announcement of the Burger
King application, there have been many meetings, and newspaper stories,
and most importantly an election has been held. I say, most importantly,
because during the course of that election campaign the failings of the
Harris administration were symbolized for many people by the hollow
promises regarding outlawing fast food restaurants. When McDonald's tried
to come to town we were promised, this won't happen again, we'll change the
law. The law was never changed, and Burger King submitted it's
application. Within a month of it's submission the North Fork Environmental
met with the Town Board requesting the long awaited Code change. Three
of you were on that Board, and Ruth, you were in the audience cheering us
on. To state the obvious, no Code change was proposed. As the campaign
progressed, so did the Burger King application. The issue of fast food
restaurants was addressed by the Stewardship Task Force. It was addressed
in a candidate survey by the NFEC, and it was addressed at the
candidate's debates. Most of the people here, tonight, have dutifully
- -- attended hearings- by the Planning Board, only to be told that -the Town -
Board is only body, that can prevent the development of the Burger King
through a change in the Code. It has always been known, that the need .for
a Code change to restrict fast food is. not only for the future, but if at
all possible to the present application of Burger King. I, myself, have had
discussions with the majority of you on this Board about the need for that
change to happen. The people of this Town have already been promised,
that the McDonald's application was -a very last time, that a fast food
restaurant would ever have the opportunity to apply under our Town Code.
Now, the new Town Board is promising us, that Burger King will be the last
one, soon we'll have a new Code. Yet, you have stalled in even presenting
the language for this new Code for over two months. Another hollow
promise. A moratorium, as was suggested last night, and as people here
have been asking for, could be passed much more quickly than an elaborate
Code change. Then you would have a full six month, or maybe even a
year, to quibble over the language, and over your fears, that maybe
somebody might get mad. Well, your fears have been realized, because we
are mad, and even more to the point, we're saddened and disappointed,
because nothing has changed at Town Hall.
SUPERVISOR WICKHAM: Are there other people in the center here, who
would like to address the Board?
JIM HICKEY: Mr. Wickham, my name is Jim Hickey. I live in the
former residence of Frank and Betty Jane Murphy, which you should be
familiar with.
SUPERVISOR WICKHAM: Frank and Betty Jane? The former residents?
JIM HICKEY: Yes, they don't live there any more. I do. Are you familiar
with the plans, that were here last night?
SUPERVISOR WICKHAM: Roughly. Yes.
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JIM HICKEY: The alleged fire lane on to Old Main, why is it twenty feet ,
wide?
SUPERVISOR WICKHAM: I don't know the answer.
JIM HICKEY: I do. To allow two way traffic. Supposedly there's going to
be 500 cars an hour at peak time, going in each direction on the Main Road.
Eighty-eight of. them are supposed to go into Burger King. If these cars
were to go west, how would they get out of there with that volume of
traffic? There going to come out the back, get dumped onto Bray, have to
travel south to Peconic. That's the only way out of there. Why isn't there
going to be 'a fence on three sides like all the others? Can you- answer-that?
SUPERVISOR WICKHAM: I can't answer it, because this Board and I
haven't been responsible for those plans, and we haven't reviewed them in
detail, but I would be interested in your analysis.
'JIM HICKEY: I'm an ex Police Officer for thirty years, and as you
know Old Main Road has a blind curve right where I live. How could a fire
truck respond to a fire, and make a right turn without turning over, and
Mr. Ward; last night, he agreed that the fire truck would come from the
Main Road, and make a left turn. So, all that is, is a ploy. Apparently,
the Combe family, that was the selling point to Burger King, dual access
from two roads. You're not fooling anyone with that alleged fire lane, and I
also voted for United Southold to be swept in, and the bottom line is they
can be swept out. That's all I have to say.
SUPERVISOR WICKHAM: Other comments tonight from the audience? There's
a woman from the back.
CYNTHIA HALSEY: I don't think that the people who put the chairs up
here realized people are sick. I'm Cynthia Halsey. I was here last night.
was the one that talked about stinking chimneys from bad grease drifting
down onto other -people's properties, and I'm sure it all on -that beautiful -
tape they had. I'm object to franchises of all kinds, that are national,
and international, ' because it puts you at the mercy of that lovely thing
known as the corporate culture. If culture can be called. If you look at
fast food alleys anywhere, particularly in Riverhead, you'll find that
although those franchise appear to be different, they .actually all belong
to one or two very large international corporations, and the one last night
is said to be headquartered in Britain. I'm not sure about that. It was— or
or
is, part of Texaco, which also has Taco Bell, and Kentucky Fried Chicken,
and all those other lovely aids to indigestion. However, I don't think :we
should be welcoming that sort of thing. I think it injuries everything ; in
the economy of this town, not just the aesthetics, which are a part of the
economy of this town, what is politely known. as the bottom line, all your
property values, how people make their livings, or how they don't, why you
want to welcome other people to the town, or whether they want to come, or
whether they don't, depend on the atmosphere you give them. That's some
atmosphere. Also, I never thought of a fast food restaurants as a
temptation to vehicular crime. • People say the young people want these
things. Last night they said, save us from attacks by vandals in cars, and
you're thinking about what you want to do for youth, I think you should
keep Burger King, and all of it's kind away from us, and a moratorium on
building would be a very good way start. Thank you.
ALICE MURPHY: My name is Alice Murphy. I'm sixteen from Greenport.
Now, last night it was made very clear I was made very clear by Mr. Ward,
that our opinion didn't seem to make too much of a difference, but I'd like
to say before I go home, .that we are the youth, and we are the people, who
will be here in the future, and you have to live with the choices, that this
Town -makes today, and just because we're not old enough to vote we should
be heard, also. I don't see it. I don't feel that a Burger King is needed,
when there is one fifteen minutes up the road in Riverhead. We have all
seen how disgusting Riverhead looks, and the crime rate in Riverhead, not
that it's much less here, but do we need that in Mattituck? Mattituck
through Orient are the last places on Long Island, that you have nice
scenery, and when I grow up, and I bring my children back here, I hate to
think of coming back here, and seeing a Burger King, a McDonald's, a
Wendy's, and . when people, who make these corporations see that a Burger
King can be built here, they're all going to know, and with all the open
land, that they can also'-build here, and I'd be very ashamed of everyone in
the town, if they let--it be built. I know .I wouldn't want a Burger King or
any fast food restaurant in my backyard.
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SUPERVISOR WICKHAM: Any other comments from the audience? There's a
gentleman in the back.
FRED JENS: You remember me from last . night. Fred Jens. Mattituck.
The minority in this room, we've got a lot of people fighting for the
deli. I fault both the people in the room, the Board sitting before us,
and previous Boards. As a twenty-eight year resident in this town, it's
seems we are both politically, and as citizen incapable of deciding what we
want in this community, until someone proposes it. Many assessments have
.,been made for a Master Plan. We have to protect this group. We have to
protect that group. We have to get used to citizen's rights'. The politicians
have to be worried about being re-elected. I'm i n favor of Burger King for
the pure sense, that the zoning permits. Where were your minds, a lot of
you in this room are old enough, ten years ago to prevent the evolution of
this coming about? Where's a foresight in this community? Someone owns a
parcel of property. It's zoned, change of zoning prior to the fact. We're
fire fighting in this community. Let's stop being fire fighters. It's the
citizens and politicians jointly, that are responsible for the position we
are in.
SUPERVISOR WICKHAM: Are -there other comments? There's a lady on the
left.
CAROL BIRCH: Hi. My name is Carol Birch. I also spoke last night, and
I'd like to repeat myself. First, I'd like to say that I learned in school
that history is .going to be repeated unless we learn from our experiences. I
moved to Southold to get away from the fast food life style. I like this
location, and what I see here. I lived in Deer Park, and moved there when
it was a two lane road like the Main Road here. There were big tall trees
that shaded the road, and the Department of Transportation came in, and
they widened the road, and there are a lot of fast-food restaurants in Deer
Park. When you ride down Deer Park Avenue, you don't know whether
you're in Massapequa, Deer Park, Islip, you could be anywhere. I
would really hate to see that happen here. The other town I lived in was
New Hyde Park, and similarly to this town, they had a McDonald's that
wanted to come in, and they had to promise that they would build a colonial
style building on Jericho Turnpike. You're shaking your head, no.
SUPERVISOR WICKHAM: I've seen it.
CAROL BIRCH: You've seen it. It's a shame, and it also has stopped
traffic. Jericho Turnpike is a busy street, a lot like the Main Road, lots
of cars turning left, and turning right, and it backed up traffic terribly
in that section of New Hyde Park. I also would like to ask a question. I'm
here two and a half months. I understand the bottom line is money in a lot
of cases. I'd like know if Burger King would help our economy, or hurt it?
If businesses go—the small mom and pop delis, and that type of place go
out of business, won't that hurt our small economy more than one
cooperation, that's going to take the public out of the town? I really feel
that the bottom line in a lot of businesses, and a lot of places. The
bottom' line is money, and economy. Aren't we hurting ourselves? Thank
you.
SUPERVISOR WICKHAM: Thank you. Citizen from Orient.
FREDDIE WACHSBURGER: Freddie Wachsburger. It seems to. me that
the first time that anything happens anywhere it's a real watershed, and I
think the first fast food place ' to open would be a very significant,
symbolic change, and it's .so much easier to not do that first thing, the
first time, than to try and deal with the consequences. I can understand
that a lot of people feel it's important to have a place that's inexpensive,
where you can go with the kids. It seems to me, that there are some very
good examples of places like that already, which are local, run by local
'people, which profits stay local, and who hire people at decent wages, not
just minimum wage, which most of the fast food places do. It seems to me
kind of misleading, when people talk about all the jobs, that fast food
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places might provide, when one realizes, what the salary scale is, that they
offer. There is some terrific places. You always sort of say, wow, we're
passing the Modern Snack Bar. You know you get sort of a feeling of joy,
when you pass it, and I think of all the times that I've driven to towns in
New England, that are supposed to be wonderful towns, and you go to see
the beautiful architecture, and ' as you're driving in, you see a McDonald's
or Burger King, you say, oh, too bad. It's too late. We should have gotten
-- here- earlier.- I - wouldn't like to think about people having to- say that, as
they enter Southold Town. Thanks.
SUPERVISOR WICKHAM: Are there more comments. on this side of the room?
MARK HARROUN: How are you doing? My name is Mark Harroun, and
don't know,, this is a touchy subject, You know, you kind of feel both
ways. You love Southold Town, and it's a quaint little, not built up area,
and everything, Anyway, the last time I drove to Riverhead, it was about
a half hour, and the last time I ate in the Elbow .Room it was pretty
expensive, and you know, I love Joanthony's burgers. They're great. I
have .a Big Mac; or a Whopper every once in awhile, too, and every time
Vm traveling, you know, those McDonald's, those Wendy's, that's where I
go, but I really don't know what to say. I don't think that a McDonald's or
a Burger King would be the end of Southold Town., if that happened. I
would like to see McDonald's, because, nothing against the local
establishments. They're great in my eye, but they are pricey sometimes, and
you know, being young, and not having a whole lot of money McDonald's is
in my budget. Thank you.
SUPERVISOR WICKHAM: Any other comments? There's a blue sweater in
the back.-
BRUCE ISAACS: Bruce Isaacs from Cutchogue. Relative to the fast food
situation, I think that one thing that the Town Board can do fairly quickly,
and without much controversy is something that was promised to us by the
Harris administration a while ago, and that is, to at least change the Code
to at least ban drive through restaurants. The last Supervisor .said, that
the former Town Attorney couldn't define the difference between drive
through banks, and drive through restaurants, but I think that the new
Town Attorney could probably do that. I think this would be an easy first
step, at least to show that the Town Board does understand what's going on
here tonight, and it would be a step in the right direction anyway. I'm
also in favor, of course, possibly, if you can do it, a moratorium on fast
food for a few months, so you can take your time, and discuss what you're
doing now, but thanks a lot.
SUPERVISOR WICHAM: Are there other comments? Yes, sir?
BEN COUTTS: My name is Ben Coutts. I'm sixteen, a junior in
Southold High School. I really don't feel that we have a use for a Burger
King. I like, personally driving around, seeing the scenery in the
wintertime. There's snow on the trees, not covered with all cups, and
whopper wrappers, and bags. I like the summertime, seeing the same thing,
you know, going to the beaches, looking at the water. My friend and I can
walk down, and watch the sunset, you know, seeing a clean beach. _ 1-hate
to see restaurants, like Joanthony's and John's. lose business to a fast
food restaurant. The traffic out here, because we have a lot of tourists
come out here in the summertime, and the traffic would be. .the traffic is
unbearable now, can you imagine all the tourists in the summertime getting
something to eat. I feel that Southold and Mattituck is a beautifultown,
and you should leave it that way.
SUPERVISOR WICKHAM: Thank you. Any other comments?
SHELLY SCOGGIN: My name is Shelly Scoggin, and I've said this to
the previous Town Board, .and I can't believe I have to say it again. I am a
business owner in town, and tourism is what keeps me alive, and every
tourist that comes in my store talks about how quaint and beautiful our town
is. I think they come here to get away from everything, and McDonalds, and
Wendy's, and the way to get them to spend money locally it's to keep it
looking like a place, where you want a vacation, not like Riverhead.
SUPERVISOR WICKHAM: Thank you.
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HAZEL FUNKE: Good evening everybody. My name is Hazel Funke.
I'm property owner here in Southold three years, and I do come from the south, . and yes one of your main attractions is that you are a beautiful
_ little town. - It's._ really- hard to find that kind of life style anymore, but 1
want to say that I agree with Mrs. Oliva research, and do hope you
Postpone Burger King, or any fast food place getting in. I'm not interested
in hurting the restaurants that we have, that are catering to a small town
like Southold, but if anyone does any research on 'McDonald's, or those kind
of place, you'll see that their service people are machines, and they're
future technology are machines, that give you change and say, goodbye,
and medically speaking the kind of industrial food, that's served by these
kind of establishments, have been proven to cause heart stress on our
youth, that at ;the age of twenty their hearts look like forty-five year old
men that have worked hard, and I hope for interest of our youth, that we
adults look to their future, besides the fact the mark you- might make for
these people like Burger King. Thank you.
SUPERVISOR WICKHAM: Thank you. Anymore? The .lady in the middle.
K-ELLY CAPPA: Hello. I'm Kelly Cappa from Southold, and I'm
seventeen. I could repeat everything that's been said. I just have one
thing to bring up. The fast food restaurants thrive on volume, and the only
time we really have the volume to hold them is during the summer. Are
they going to be a seasonal restaurant? We're just going to have an empty
building there in the winter, -so, I don't see how it's conceivable to you to
have them there.
SUPERVISOR WICKHAM: Thank you. I think we're back to you, Frank.
FRANK CARLIN: Can I make a quick statement here before I go on the
.time limit?
SUPERVISOR WICKHAM: Sure.
FRANK CARLIN: Maybe you have a little sense of humor here. You know
the last time about McDonald's, I come up here, and said, I feel like a
Rambo up against an army division. Well, in this Burger King case, I feel
like a Hoag Coggins trying to take on a tag team match here, but
anyway I'll see what I can do. I think the mistake we got here is when the
Town Board got vacuumed into this issue, because once you got vacuumed
into this issue it becomes a political issue, and you know yourself, as well
as 1 do, what a political issue can do. Now, is a fair for a man, who owns
that property , that's. zoned business, and you come along after you do
this, and say you've changed the Zoning Code to prevent him from selling
that property, or renting it out, because we don't want a fast food
restaurant in the area. Is that fair to that man, who owns that property?
In my opinion it. isn't. If we're going to go along, every time we have a
problem in the this town, and fall back on changing the Zoning.-Code for -a
- crutch, then we might as well -throw the Master Plan out the door, and I've
got one thing to say to Michael LoGrande. Where was you when they were
putting up all the fast food restaurants on Route 58 ohm Riverhead? Now,
back to this. I know he was, the famous founding father. I remember that
one, back in 186. 1 won't discuss that tonight. I want to say one more
thing. We should use the system. Zoning Board of Appeals rules on a fast
food restaurant by no window. The Planning Board has it, and they're
planning on it. We use the system. If we were to build the McDonald's six
months after that, it would have be forgotten about. People would have gone
on their way, because time heals, and I'll tell you one. more thing I've been
wanting to say this, that -if people in this town would have seen that we
have better water, less nitrates, iron, better garbage system, let's face
it, it needs improvement, reduce our school taxes, we'd be a lot better off.
hope when this is finished, it's finished, but let's do it in a fair way,
but .1 got an idea how this is going to come out. When I mentioned
Political. and 1 know enough about politics how it's going to work, but we
should have used the system we have in our Town Hall here, the Board of
Appeals down to the Planning Board. Thank you very much.
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--- - SUPERVISOR-W-ICKHAM:- We've heard a- lot of comments tonight: It's going -to ----
be very difficult for me, and I'm going to set the clock myself now. It's
going to 'be very difficult for me to kind of pull this together, and so what
I would like to do is outline some broad comments as to the procedure that
the Town Board has followed so far, a little bit of clarification regarding
a moratorium, clarification about the role between the Town Board, and the
Planning Board, which the people have alluded to, and then I'd like to
invite other members of the Board to give their views, because on an issue
of this kind, inevitable there's diversions of opinion, and we need to take
all of that into account. So, I'd like to begin very briefly. First of all,
I believe, I'm going to speak for myself, and other members of the Board
can comment as they wish, or not, but I believe, and I think it's the
consensus of the Board, that it probably would be illegal to outright ban
fast food restaurants in the town. We don't think it would stand up, and
we don't think it would be an appropriate thing to do for that reason.
Having said that, there are a number of things that the town can do, and
what we can do, and what zoning specifically provides for, are opportunities
to restrict uses to particular zones in the town, and the suggestion has
been made on several ' grounds a number of times, that perhaps the zone
where the. Burger King has proposed, may not be a particular appropriate
zone, and so early in January, when the new Board came into office, one of
the first things.. of the agenda was to review the suitability of that
particular location .-for a_fast food restaurant. We've gone through a number
of discussions on it. It has been on our agenda for two or three regularly
scheduled Town Board meetings. It has the explicit subject of at least one
meeting of the Planning and Zoning Committee, but I'll let the people on
those committees speak to that in a little while. The Board has taken very
seriously, we've had, by the way, a number of other distractions, and
issues on our plate that we've. also had to deal with these first few months,
but the issue of a fast food restaurant is' something that the Board has been
very concerned about from the .beginning. Before. I get to the action, that
we are moving towards, we have not yet made a commitment to take it.
Before I .describe the steps that we're taking, and where we're going, I'd
like to comment briefly on the distinction between the Planning Board
jurisdiction, and the Town Board's jurisdiction. It was said earlier
tonight, that at last night's meeting, some comment was made to the effect
that the Planning Board really has no jurisdiction of these things. It's in
the hands of the Town Board. The way I understand these things, the
Town Board adopts the Zoning Ordinances, and the Zoning Map, and
thereby adopts the restrictions as to those places in the town, and those
Special Exceptions, and conditions, under which a fast food restaurant can
be ,cited in various parts of the town. It's the job of the Planning Board
to rule on specific applications in accordance with the Code, so when an
application comes before the Planning Board it is obliged to go through the
procedure, and to rule, and to vote according to the merits of their case,
and according to the Town Code as it currently exists. So, I think the
Planning Board is doing a, I should say a straight forward, and honest
appraisal of that application, as it's come forth, and I suppose in due
time; and I don't know when, it will render a decision. This Board has .a
policy, that ,we don't normally entertain discussion from an applicant, who
is currently before the Planning Board, or before the Zoning Board, or some
other Board, so we have kept hands off, which we believe is the appropriate
posture to take, these to be a bona fide application, which is before
another Board. . Having said that let me now outline what the Town Board
has been moving towards, but I don't want to give you the impression
tonight, that we are poised to it. In fact, there is some diversions of you
on the Town Board, and one of the reasons it taken this long, is we have
tempted to integrate these views, and tried to come to a consensus, or
agreement, as to a proper position with the fast food business, and to be
very brief, and succinct, we have redefined fast food in a clinical way,
that we believe would separate fast food restaurants from your mom and
pop; or deli. First, you have to be able to define, and we now have a
definition, that I think would probably apply effectively, and would
effectively screen out other areas. Secondly, we have identified, we have
proposed, when I say, we, it's the Planning and Zoning Committee of the
Town Board, has proposed to the Town Board at it's meeting today, and at
another meeting eleven days ago, almost two weeks ago, when the Board last
— met, a proposal - that would restrict the formula food,' - or -fast food --
restaurants to two types of zones in this town. One of them would be in the
shopping centers themselves, we currently have two shopping centers, and
the other would be in the downtown parts of our Mattituck, Cutchogue,
Southold, Greenport, and the hamlet centers, the downtown centers, and
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incidentally, the area currently applied .for by Burger King, is not one of
those downtown, so called hamlet business locations. So, if the proposal,
that is currently under consideration by this Board, were adopted;if that
proposal were adopted by this Board, it would not be possible for Burger
King to establish it's operations at the site, where they now propose. I'd
just like to close very briefly. There's some questions. A couple of
people have raised the question as to whether those of us, who were elected
in November, have a commitment to these issues, and to try to manage, and
to control an innovation, such as fast food restaurants in this town. Each
one of us will have to answer- that ourselves; and I can't speak for anybody
else on the Board. I will speak for myself. I have many reservations, and
I have promoted, frankly, , a restriction of where they would placed, but,
represent not only a constituency, that I hope voted us to office, in form
or another, I represent the whole town, and I think I have a responsibility
to try to get the views of everybody in the town. In January we inherited
this issue. I . know that the old Board had said that they would do
something with it for a long time, and it really didn't, and in January we
started in, and we tried to integrate the views of lots of people. We've
heard some of those views tonight. Even though there are different on the
_ town Board, _and. _instead of just trying to ram something through, we have.
made an effort to go kind of slowly. Looking at it tonight, it's been
painfully slow, and many of us could wish it had moved faster. Other people
may wish it would move slower. It's a process we are reaching consensus.
It hasn't yet been reached. It may never be reached. We have scheduled
at the next meeting of this Town Board, and an intervening meeting of one
of our standing committees to deal with it before that time. That's about
all I'll say. I can come back to it later, if there are questions, and Ed,
I'd be pleased to entertain your question, but I wonder if I should give an
opportunity to other members of the Board to amplify your comment of what
I've had to say. Ruth?
COUNCILWOMAN OLIVA: I'd like to give a little background, too. It was
something that . was handed to us by the previous Board, who had three
years to do something. It did- nothing. When this Board came in, we did
seat down, and try to decide what were we going to do. We looked at other
Codes to see how they had restricted their areas, when they did not want
fast food restaurants, because basically, and I've spoken to Planning
authorities on this, and legal authorities, you can not just ban them. You
can't restrict trade. So,, the key was to come up ,with a definition, that we
found acceptable, and that we thought would stand up in court, and thanks
to some. research, and some very good people, we camp up with a definition
of a formula restaurant, and I think that's an excellent definition. So,
then we said, okay., we have this definition, but ,in our Code Book, .it says,
restaurant, drive-in, fast food. If we leave that drive-in category, that
is going to outlaw our pieces, our Mom and Pop delis, and what have you.
So, we are proposing to put restaurants, take out, which will include :all
those other people. Then, we said, how can we not deny a fast food
restaurant, but restrict it in a place,, that we think we can control, and
may or may not be attractive to people, that want to put in fast food
restaurants. So, we came up with a proposal after much discussion, about
allowing them in hamlet business with a special exception. Again, ladies
and . gentlemen, do not think of hamlet business as it is today. We have to
think about it as it might look five years from now. We have said, that our
goal is to put the development in the hamlet areas. We want to encourage
our Mom and Pop businesses, that are in these areas for our tourist
economy, so we therefore thought, if we must have a fast food restaurant
why shouldn't it be in the hamlet areas? Why make it in a .business area,
that's stuck out there, and draw all the traffic there? We want the
traffic, and/or the transportation to come to our hamlet centers. So, if we
must have one, or if there even will be one, at least when they come maybe
they'll walk . around to the other shops, or the Historical Society, and so
forth. That was one plan. Second one, the idea was proposed were we
have these shopping centers. They're not really the most attractive things
that we have in town, and maybe, that would be a good place, if a fast food
restaurant would -want--to even put something there. But, -at--least it would -
be in there where there is parking, where there are other shops, and
again, they could still walk around to these other shops, so we thought,
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fine, we'll .do this. We had a discussion at Planning and Zoning last
Friday. We came to more. or less a consensus (tape change) Committee at
5:00 o'clock on March 18th, which is a Friday afternoon , to discuss the
legislation. I welcome to see any of you there. Moratorium has been brought
up. Many years ago, I was a proponent of moratorium. We got the two acre
zoning instead. I would just like to remind everybody, with a moratorium
we have to go through the whole SEQRA process in order to enact a
moratorium. It is like a local law. It will take a month to six weeks. We
can have this proposal, if everybody agrees on the Board: The four of us
agree in the six week period. So, why prolong something with a moratorium
for a year or six months, when then the Board can say, well, we have a
moratorium, we have a lot of time, and we're going to drag this on, and on,
and on. I would like to see it come to a resolution in the next month to
six weeks,, and we try to do the best we can to accomplish the goals, and
that is at least to restrict them where we want them, and that is my
position. Thank you.
- SUPERVISOR- WICKHAM: Alice, do you want to comment?
COUNCILWOMAN HUSSIE: Yes. I do. I'm sorry, Ruth, that you mentioned
the previous Board because in that I have to say something about that.
This problem of fast food restaurants has been with us for a number of
years, and although the last Board was unable to come up with any
legislation, that was agreeable, or acceptable, I have not been sitting
around doing nothing, and I have looked, searched far and wide, up and
down, from East to West, North to South to find some definition of a fast
food restaurant, that would be something—not even a definition, to find a
way to ban fast food restaurants at all. However, in the United States we
have free speech. .We, also, have free enterprise, and it is against the law
to ban a fast food restaurant per sec. . , I have to disagree to a certain
degree, that calling a fast food restaurant, a formula food restaurant, is
just renaming the rose. It's not going to change anything. I,also, object
strongly to even considering putting it in to the hamlet centers. We have
an awful lot of traffic. We are going to put all sort of things in the
hamlet centers. I don't think a fast food restaurant belongs anyplace, and
it certainly doesn't belong in a hamlet center, and as for putting it in a
shopping center, I can't agree with that. Two of the things that were
bantered about, and argued, and proposed as reasons, that we should not
have a fast food restaurant, was garbage. The other was traffic. Certainly
-- -- relocating a fast- food restaurant, or a formula food restaurant -is not going
to alleviate either of those problems. A moratorium, I'm just going to say
one thing, and that is, you can't have a moratorium on one piece of
property, for one company, or something like that. It has to be a class, or
a group of properties, like all business. So, if we did a moratorium, it
would require that all businesses, all business stop building: That's all.
SUPERVISOR WICKHAM: Thank you, Alice. Anyone else on the Board?
Louisa?
JUSTICE EVANS: 11m. just sorry that people feel that we haven't been doing
anything. I feel that we've been trying to act responsibly. Instead : of
jumping in with new laws, we've been trying to find ways to at least, my
opinion of trying not to have fast food, so i do agree with Alice, that I
don't think it's legal to completely ban them, but we're trying to do it in
a responsible way, so whatever kind of legislation we put in is going to
stick, and is going to work, and not going to get the town in trouble, and
we end up with a lot of fast food restaurants. We're trying to find a
solution, that's going to be long term, and it takes time. You can't just
change -it overnight. A little aside on the garbage issue,. I heard someone
complaining about, you know, we don't want to see all these fast food
wrappers here and there, well,l hate to admit that people on Fishers Island
- - litter. We -don't -.have _ fast foods out there. We see coffee cups all the
time, in the woods, the sides of the road, and that to me, is people
problem. I mean, it's litter, but that's just a little side that I have.
SUPERVISOR WICKHAM: Joe, do you have comments, that you would like to
add?
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COUNCILMAN TOWNSEND: I'm the Chair of the Planning and Zoning
Committee where this thing .has been the subject of intense discussion, and
unfortunately, I have to admit to the prejudice' a lot of you have, that
basically don't like fast food restaurants on several levels. What it does
to my body in terms of the weight, so forth. It's not that it doesn't taste
good, and the way they look sometimes. They tend to have bright,
inappropriate colors, and big huge signs with buckets on them, and stuff
like that. All those things, I think we all associate with fast food
restaurants. Unfortunately, like most prejudices, the law forbids you from
indulging these 'prejudices. In this instance, it's zoning laws. You can
guide it. . .You can control where they go. You can even control the
appearance, which is what we hope to do. Alice said, she didn't think they
belonged in the hamlet centers. My personal opinion, and this is personal,
is that if you put them in hamlet centers, you promote foot traffic to them,
and not. car ._traffic, which -will enable the whole hamlet center to be- more-
enlivened, because there will be more people walking around the hamlet
center. It may not be as attractive to fast food owners, but it does serve a
planning purpose to scale. It would be smaller. To get on to the moratorium
thing, I took some heat in the last campaign for proposing a commercial
n?oratorium, when the Master Plan was proposed, so I'm familiar with the
process of moratorium. The problem. is we're talking about something, that
has gone through all the steps necessary. I have not paid too much
attention. I have not attended Planning Board meetings, as you gladly
pointed out. I think it weakens our case as a Board trying to move on a
overall change on a Zoning Code, if you attend a meeting, where your
Zoning Code is definitely going to affect that. I think you're going to
have to show that you're considering the entire town, not just one
application, but I do know this application is almost all the way through.
We are perhaps one curb cut away from final approval. A moratorium, in
my opinion, not only as Ruth pointed out, would not take a lot less time
than the application, I mean ,than our Change of Zoning would take, but it
also will probably be unsuccessful, because they've gone too far in my
opinion, based on the way I understand moratoriums are legally applicable.
So, basically, I'll finish with saying that my goal will be to move this
thing. We may not 1 have a total majority in our decision, but it will be
moved, and it will happen as soon as we possibly can.
SUPERVISOR WICKHAM: I'd like to just summarize. You've heard a little bit
of flavor tonight of the diversion of views within the Board. There's
nothing surprising about that with six independently minded people, there
are going to be different views. Maybe we've taken too long to try, and
pull. them together: I really can't say. What I can say is that at today's
Work Session the Board agreed that two weeks from today, we would take up
a resolution. I can't judge, I can't predict how it's going to be voted, as
Joe just said, but the sense of today's discussion that we would prepare a
resolution for adoption, or consideration, two weeks from tonight, dealing
with fast food, and the shape of that resolution, and the language of it
will be prepared at a meeting on Friday, March 18th, at 5:00 o'clock in
this room, and you're welcome to attend. The current direction of our
thinking is to. restrict fast food restaurants to two locations, one. is
shopping centers, the other is the hamlet business in the downtown hamlet
areas. Both of these are by special exception with a list of criteria, and
restrictions. Amongst those restriction is no drive through windows in both
cases, and a series of other restrictions. There has to be adequate
parking, signage, advertisements. Advertisements shall not be affixed to
the windows, and so on, and so forth, a number of these kinds of
restrictions. That is the current provisions, that we discussed today, and
which the Planning and Zoning Committee, which Joe Townsend chairs, will
take up on Friday, the 18th. It may get revised at that meeting, but in
one fashion or another, I am quite sure we will have a resolution to take
under consideration for possible adoption on fast food restaurants two weeks
from today. I know there's a lot more that could be said, ladies and
gentlemen. This isn't the end of the saga, I'm sure. I wonder if there are
other subjects, or other topics, that people would like to raise. Ed?
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ED SIEGMANN: I don't want to get away from the topic, and I want to
point out something to you, think ahead. You know, we gave last Board
1,100 signatures from Mattituck, asking for a traffic light in front of the
A&P Shopping Center. The Traffic Department turned us down. The A&P,
the fellow who owns, Cardinale, who has the A&P Shopping Center refused
to pay to have a light put in front of the shopping center, and all I can
say to you, we only have two shopping centers, that I know of. That's the
A&P Shopping Center, and. the King Kullen Shopping Center. If you put a
fast food restaurant in the A&P Shopping Center, we'll never get out of
there.
COUNCILWOMAN- OLIVA: Ed, -you have one in there now. - You have- the - -
Subway.
ED SIEGMANN: Yeah, you got the Subway there. We have the movie
house there with six or eight movies, that you can go in, the bank. In the
summertime, you try to come out of that A&P shopping lot, you can't get out
of there, so I'm saying, if there's ever a fast food restaurant put in that
shopping center, you'd better have a traffic light on one end of it, and a
traffic light on the other end, that works in unison, stops the traffic, and
permits the people to come out of the shopping center.
SUPERVISOR WICKHAM: Thank you, Ed. I think you've made a good
point. If the town is successful in concentrating a lot of the development
in the hamlet centers, there will have to be real changes in traffic
patterns, and how we live in the hamlets. There's a person in the middle.
DEBBIE SILAWSKAS: Hi, I'm Debbie Silawskas from Mattituck. I just
have one concern, when I hear that, you know, they'll be able to go in a
hamlet district on the strip malls.
COUNCILWOMAN OLIVA: No strip malls.
_-- SUPERVISOR__WICKHAM.: Shopping centers. _ - -
DEBBIE SILAWSKAS: Shopping centers. Okay, well; we do have some strip
things going on.
SUPERVISOR WICKHAM: Excuse me. We would not want. .
DEBBIE SILAWSKAS: I know, but is there anything to prevent anymore
of the strip kind of thing, that has gone on, on the North Road?
COUNCILMAN . LIZEWSKI : I hope to be bringing up work on that. I've
looking into what the Town of Islip, and other places, have done to stop
strip malls, and I expect to have a large amount of information, but our
plates been pretty full. I don't think that this has anything to do with
putting them in strip malls. We have no intention of having Burger Kings,
or McDonald's in strip malls.
DEBBIE SILAWSKAS: I was thinking ahead.
JUSTICE EVANS: The definition of shopping center and strip mall are two
different things.
DEBBIE SILAWSKAS: Right, but I would also like to see, and you know,
maybe, not naturally along with this resolution, but I would, also, like; to
see a stop to that kind of development.
SUPERVISOR WICKHAM: Right. Joe Lizewski has brought that measure
to our attention. If only we can get to it with all the other things that
are immediately in front of us. I think that will be one of the next things.
COUNCILMAN TOWNSEND: There's only a couple small things you have to
do to change it, length of building, and variable setbacks could eliminate
the whole strip zone. It's as simple as that.
DEBBIE_ SILAWSKAS: Okay, how would we stand legally? Maybe the
Town Attorney, how do you legally deferentiate? If you say they can go in
shopping centers, how do you deferentiate a shopping center from a strip
thing, that has three or four stores?
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COUNCILWOMAN . OL'-(,1yp: Just quickly, using a shopping center is
designated, I'll just give it off the top, is a group of retail, and service
businesses, which have an integrated architectural, and site plan design,
and which have an anchor tenant consisting of either a supermarket with a
minimum of X square feet of sales area, or a department store with a
minimum of X square feet of sales area, so that takes strip malls right out
of it.
DEBBIE SILAWSKAS: That's what I was concerned about.
SUPERVISOR WICKHAM: Thank you very much.
FREDDIE WACHSBURGER: Could I have a clarification? Talking about the
possibility of putting fast food places in hamlet business districts, I
immediately imagine McDonald's on Village Lane in Orient. I mean, is that
possible under this kind of consideration?
COUNCILMAN TOWNSEND: If you had adequate parking and cesspools.
'COUNCILWOMAN OLIVA: Do you have adequate public parking for at least
five hundred feet away?
FREDDIE WACHSBURGER: Well, who knows what could happen. Suppose
you wanted to create parking at the Historical Society for business, so that
becomes parking which would enable. .
COUNCILWOMAN OLIVA: Public parking, that would be private.
SUPERVISOR WICKHAM: Friday, March 18th, we'll be discussing all of
these technical provisions. Be grateful to have your input. - Yes, sir?
BOB O'BRIEN: Bob O'Brien, Main Road in Laurel. How would this
effect the hamlet of Laurel business district? We have three stores there
now.
COUNCILWOMAN OLIVA: We'd have to look and see what it's zoned. I
think one of next projects, anyway, as Debbie pointed out, is strip malls.
It's the whole idea of business zones. We have things, that are really not
conforming uses. They aren't were they're supposed to be, and things are
supposed to be where they shouldn't be, so that is our next big project,
and that's going to be a big project.
BOB O'BRIEN: Thank you.
SUPERVISOR WICKHAM: Yes, sir?
FRED -JENS: I don't want to stay with Burger King, but I do have one
quick statement on a Burger King issue. Generally fast food restaurants do
not create traffic. They rely on a existing traffic. They do create parking
problems. Next time I'd like to move to number 8 discussion of the
Stewardship Task Force hamlet meetings. I read in the paper that, they
were considering having just. one meeting, instead of the group meetings.
Has that been settled? Is that correct? I'm kind of objecting to the one
meeting. It kind of limits everyone's participation, especially on a weekend
with business people.
SUPERVISOR WICKHAM: The recommendation of the Task Force, that they
put to the Town Board today, was that, they would like to have one meeting
called, Southold One Town Many Places, and though there would be one
place, the meeting would be actually be concurrently with separate meetings
for Orient, East Marion, Greenport, Peconic.
FRED JENS: All one day in one location.
SUPERVISOR WICKHAM: Now, the Board raised the same questions, that
you did, and' the response was that if there seems further interest after
that time, we would encourage them to hold additional meetings of some kind
in those different hamlets afterwards, but initially there's one meeting
called ,Southold One Town Many Places, and that's to take place on
Saturday, April 9th in the Southold High School. You'll be hearing a lot
more about it. It's a very important meeting. Yes?
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HAZEL FUNKE: Hazel Funke, again. I just wanted to raise the point. I
realize that development is really great for our tax roll, but I'm hoping,
not that I'm formal supporter, because I have a lot of reservations about
some of the things that happened under the administration, but I do think
- that if there's any- possibility that you can influence homeowners in--this-
town to be able to have their development taxes, say when you make an
improvement on your home, if you can have it rolled back, or follow the
kind of suggestion, that he did recommend in the latter of last year, where
the taxes and the, increase aren't paid up to for like, I think, it was like
ten, twelve years.
COUNCILWOMAN OLIVA: Eight years, I think, eight to ten.
HAZEL FUNKE: I know that as a new family here we're strongly in
support of that, because we are good citizens. We pay our taxes, but we're
a young family, and it's very difficult to meet some of the rising costs,
and I just came from a School Board meeting, and you know, the children do
cost, and buildings costs, so if you can help us out.
SUPERVISOR WICKHAM: You know, if you came from a School Board
meeting, you're the right person for me to respond to. We looked into
exactly that issue, because I thought it sounded a very good issue, .and one
that's important for the town, but. when we looked into the fine print, the
rollback on taxes, or the reduction, of. taxes, would apply only to the town
portion of our property taxes. It would not apply to our school taxes, nor
would it apply to the portion of our taxes that goes to the County. So, the
_ .. Town. portion. of" our taxes is only something on the order of fifteen. or-so --
percent of the total tax, that we all. .pay, and there were a few other
restrictions there, that made it sound much less attractive, to us, that we
originally thought, and so I haven't pursued it. I'll be glad to talk to you
about it afterwards. We all recognize that the school taxes are by far the
dominate part of the tax rolls. Some on the order of 650, 70%. If that one
were to be included in the Governor's proposal, I think we'd bring it very
quickly, and very forcefully.
HAZEL FUNKE: Well, some of the contracts that go on, they affect us so
long term, and I know as a parent, I would like the best for my child, but
I'm quite willing to make a few sacrifices, and live a, say, a less
expensive life style, and give -my child more time on my own personal basis,
but if there's any way that you can take into consideration, parents can do
more for their children. We can support in the future if needed, maybe
parents can volunteer more, but the same thing can effect us in the taxes.
If we can afford to have new businesses come in, and help them out, and
maybe make it, appealing for them to bring their businesses here, I hope
that during your administration, you can find ways to make it more
appealing for homeowners to improve their property, maybe with less
restrictions,- because I know when I get my dog this summer, so that I don't
get ..a:`firearm;. 'I don't want to have to build a cement foundation with
running .water, .and have a hundred dollar minimum tax. increased,-- because. I
took: out 'a:'permit; and I know from investigation, that .each permit, that's
what l was told; each permit was $100.00 minimum increase on my taxes, and
strongly disagree" with that- kind of making money off of the townspeople. -
1:don't'know:;much about the last Board, but I know that McDonald's didn't
make -it`.in'`here;'`so I -s-upport all of you, and I did vote for you,' so I think
you'll„do a great job. Thank you.
SUPERVISOR'. WICKHAM: ' With that, I wonder if there are members of the
Board;• "who would like to make any closing statements, or have we heard
enough statements for tonight?
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COUNCILMAN ' LIZEWSK1: 1 want you to realize, that a couple things
- basically ,-came through-tonight at this meeting. We all do have a little bit
of difference on how this thing is going to operate, and what we really
want. One of the things, that was basically said was that there's a very
strong opinion by this Board, that Burger King can be stopped at this time.
There's. a ''doubt that it can be stopped at this place in time, where it is in
it's process and application, so, if that's a premise to ,work from, the next
premise :is'• if Burger King was to come in, what are going to do to make
surL�Ahat, more Burger Kings '-don't come in? At the present time in Southold'
Town- there are probably three or four place, that actually meet the criteria
for.. a Burger., King, that's, three acres under Special Exception in this town,
that's`business zoned. There are very few parcels of land, that are really
available °for Burger King to come to this town. I think by increasing the
-- areas; by`"-putting -them into hamlet business areas, and putting them into
shopping' center by right, you may be increasing the opportunity for these
places' and giving them actually more scope than what they presently have
under - Special Exception, because when you say Special Exception, the
Board that-you have in power-, the time it comes in, or the people you have
in" that •office, make that decision, so, you know, you all feel that you're
going'to be here forever, and when ,you make a decision it's going to stay,
but`, yowl, .don't know what the personalities ten years are going to be for,
who's 'going to, be up here, and who's going to make that decision. So, I
have;w li'ttle,.question about how many do we really want to let in? Are we
- really 'increasing the amount of place where these people can -go? Maybe, - if -
we're going to say that Burger King definitely going to come in, and we're-
not going to be able to stop them, maybe the other places that are available .
aren't really suitable, and they wouldn't come to them, because of the
demographics, or the location, and maybe that's an area, that 'we ought to
attack: •'So, by increasing' this thing, by putting it in the hamlet business
areas, and giving them the right to come into the shopping centers with the
traffic, and the other problems they have, I don't know if we're moving, I
know. we want to move, but I don't know if we're moving in the right
direction to actually shut off fast foods, and the amount that we want. We
want'-to', develop these hamlet areas, and the idea of hamlet places, where
people'''are going to come for tourism. I don't know if I really want a
_.. McDonald's",ln.: Cutchog_ue hamlet. I don't know if I want one in Southold
hamlet ;,-'and `there are places, that may be already built, that these places
could `-go` into;-`"and escape some of these Special Exception laws. I don't
know but`;Tjust think it's` some food for thought to think about these hamlet .
deniers' actual ly being increasing the 'amount of areas, that you can put fast
food.,restaurants, and not decreasing them. So, those are the questions
that lay in my mind. Thank you very much.
SUPERV.ISbR WICKHAM: Alice? Anyone on the Board? (No response.. )
Thank'.you #or your participation tonight. Ruth, has a motion to adjourn.
Moved' by Councilwoman Oliva, ' seconded .by Supervisor Wickham, it was
RESOLVED: that the Town Board meeting be and hereby is adjourned at 9:25
P.-M.
Vote of, the Town Board: . Ayes: Justice Evans, Councilwoman Oliva,
Councilman Townsend, Councilwoman Hussie, Councilman Lizewski,
Supervisor',Wickham.
This resolution was duly ADOPTED.
Xudith T. Terryl�
Southold Town Clerk