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HomeMy WebLinkAboutPB-05/01/1972 o5U�F0��o Southold Town PlanningBoard r a d S❑UTH❑LD, L. I., N. Y. 11971 PLANNING BOARD MEMBERS John Wickham, Chairman Henry Moisa Alfred Grebe Henry Raynor Frank Coyle M I N U T E S SOUTHOLD TOWN PLANNING BOARD May 19 1972 A regular meeting of the Southold Town Planning Board was held at 7:30 P.M. , Monday, May 19 1972, at the Town Office, Main Road, Southold, New York. There were present: Messrs: John Wickham, Chairman; Henry Moisa, Vice Chairman; Henry Raynor; Frank Coyle; Alfred Grebe. Also present: Howard Terry, Building Inspector. The Planning Board discussed the proposed manor subdivision of Diedrick, n/s Main Road, Orient, New York, with Mrs. Helen Reiter, real estate broker of East Main Road, Southold, New York. It is the opinion of the Planning Board that the twelve .acres should be divided into twelve lots to prevent future requests for subdivision. If the property is not divided now the Planning Board would require a statement from the owner in recordable form that this property will never be subdivided in the future. The Planning Board would also require a 50 f oot. road on this property whether it is a minor or a major subdivision. Mrs. Reiter stated C ' Southold Town Planning Board -2- May 1, 1972 that the people who are buying six acres want to divide the property into two lots. The Chairman stated that the Town has 403000 sq. ft. zoning and that each one of the lots on this property has 80,000 sq. ft. which means that some time in the next ten years everyone of the people who own the lots will come to the Planning Board to request division. Mr. Wickham stated that the property can be put into major subdivision and that the Planning Board recommends one acre lots. The recommendation of the Planning Board is to either make the property a major sub- division or have the owner sign a statement recordable in the County Clerkts office that the property will not be subdivided in the future. Mrs. Reiter asked what would happen: if in ten years this is developed by the Town. The Chairman replied that it would still be binding. Mrs. Reiter stated that she is ready to sell and that the buyer is in a position to take over and rent cottages right away. The Board suggested that Mrs. Reiter talk to the property owner and to Van Tuyl surveyors to find out what the cost of a major subdivision would be. The Chairman pointed out that in the minutes of the last meeting there are some house rules that say we are looking very carefully at all minor sub- divisions where people are trying to circumvent major subdivision regulations. Mrs. Reiter asked whether, because this is a unique piece of property with summer bungalows on it, it would be possible to put more cottages on it and was informed that, in that case, it would have to be M zoned. The Planning Board suggested that Mrs. Reiter come back to the next meeting of the Board. A lengthy discussion was held by the Planning Board and Dominic Aurichio, Esq. regarding Petty Bite subdivision, north side of Main Road, Orient, New York; property of Dr. George Newman. Mr. Aurichio presented the Board with plans. The Chairman of the Planning Board informed Mr. , Aurichio that they had had correspondence from the County Planning Commission, and the Chairman read the letter which was signed by Mr. Lee Koppelman. Mr. Wickham reminded Mr. Aurichio that the Planning Board had informed him that they would not over-ride the County Planning Commission and, therefore, the Board had advised Mr. Aurichio to meet the requirements of the County. Mr. Aurichio stated that he still did not know what the County Planning Commission wants. (Mr. Aurichio discussed with the Board the many steps and changes that had already been made) . Mr. Wickham commented that Mr. Aurichio and Van Tuyl thought they could come up with a little less than the County Planning Commission required and the Southold Town Planning Board supported them but the County Planning Commission did not approve. The Planning Board suggested that Mr. Aurichio go to Mr. Charles Lind for design approval. Dr. Newman asked why Mr. Lind had changed the lines on the Map. Mr. Wickham replied that Mr. Lind is experienced in planning and . feels that the intersection should be a right angled intersection. (Dr. Newman and the Board discussed the Map) . Mr. Wickham commented Southold Town Planning Board -3- May 1, 1972 that Mr. Aurichio had a point, and Mr. Van Tuyl had a point, and although it did not work, it was not wasted time. Dr. Newman stated that he wants to get approval as he wants to get the work finished. The Chairman informed Dr. Newman that he has the approval of the Southold Town Planning Board but has to meet the requirements of the County Planning Commission. .11 19. The Planning Board discussed property of Dominick J. Catalano, minor subdivision, Laurel, New York, with Mr. Joseph S.alal{d, broker of Jamesp.ort, New York. The Chairman stated that the Town is moving towards 50 foot roads in minor sub- divisions. (The Board and Mr. Salaud discussed the dimensions of the property) . The Chairman asked about access on back lots and whether the road would have to be continued much past the intersection. Mr. Howard Terry, Building Inspector, replied that they just have to go to the property line but would have to have approval of enough space for fire trucks to go in and out. He also stated that if they want to dedicate it to the Town they would have to have 100 foot turn-around. The Chairman asked if it was located less than 500 feet from the Riverhead Town Line. Mr. Terry replied that he believes it is more than 500 feet to the Riverhead Town Line as there are two farms in between. The Planning Board requested that the distance be marked on the Map - so many feet to Town Line. Mr. Salaud said that he would comply, and come back to the Board. The Planning Board discussed major subdivision located at north side of Eugene' s Road, Cutchogue, New York, with Mr. Richard Young, Riverhead, New York. Mr. Young stated that Mike Shepish wants more road frontage, and that there is a water problem in this area. The Chairman noted that the Town specification for lot widths is 135 feet; that Lot No. 13 is quite a bit oversized, Lot 19 could be squeezed a little, and Lot 23 is not at right angles to the side line. (Mr. Young and the Board discussed location of playground) . The Chairman stated that park, playground and drainage regulations had to be met. Mr. Young stated that he would proceed along those lines. The Chairman suggested that Mr. Young submit a copy of his plans to the Town Highway Superintendent. .. :; e; The Planning Board and Robert Tooker, Esq. , Riverhead, New York; and James Reeve, Mattituck, New York, discussed Little Neck Properties, East Cutchogue, New York. Mr. Reeve presented the Planning Board with an application with proposed covenants and restrictions. He informed the Board that he had an estimate from f 1 ! 1 Southold Town Planning Board -4- May 1, 1972 Alden Young. The Chairman asked if Mr. Raymond Dean had examined the property. Mr. Howard Terry, Bldg. Inspector, stated that he believed that Mr. Larry Tuthill had the Little Neck Properties folder and that he was supposed to have come in with a bond estimate tonight. Mr. Terry stated that to the best of his knowledge there is a letter in the folder from Mr. Dean approving this application; and that as soon as the bond estimate is received Mr. Reeve and Mr. Tooker will be notified. The Chairman stated that the Planning Board would hold decision over for two weeks. N. A discussion was held by the Planning Board and Richard Cron, Esq. regarding Map of Bay Homes, Leslie Road, Peconic, New York. The Chairman stated that the Planning Board would like to talk to Mr. Raymond Dean, Superintendent of Highways, about this property. Mr. Cron asked if there could be a public hearing as the builder has been delayed and wants to get some houses up, The Chairman stated that as far as he could see all the require- ments had been met, the Board would have Mr. Dean look at it, and a public hearing would be held in a couple of weeks. X. A discussion was held by the Planning Board and Richard Cron, Esq. regarding 0. A. Ringwald, Main Road, Orient, New York. Members of the Planning Board, the Building Inspector, and Mr. Cron referred to the Tax Map and discussed right-of-way. Mr. Cron stated that his clients had been advised that they had final approval of the Planning Board. The whole transaction has been closed, title has passed, Mr. Tabor has been paid. The Board and Mr. Cron discussed the possibility of making a 50 foot right- of-way. The Chairman stated that 25 feet would be held in reservation for future use; and that it would be to their advantage to reserve for possible dedication to the Town rather than having everyone funnel through a 162 foot right-of-way. Mr. Cron stated that he had not been aware of any other minor subdivision in the area. Mr. Cron said that he would talk to his clients and come back to the Board. N ., a: The Planning Board and Richard Cron, Esq. discussed the possibility of filing Map of Waterfront property of H. Alvin Smith, s/s New Suffolk Avenue, Mattituck, New York. Mr. Cron stated that the property would never amount to more than five parcels and at present there would only be three people living there. The Chairman stated that he did not believe that two of the lots are buildable, that there is a barrier beach, and that it is a unique situation with very low swale and by definition Netlands9' as spartena grows there. Mr. Raynor said that a Southold Town Planning Board -5- May 1, 1972 pretty good barrier beach had been built there when it was dredged and that there is some grass beyond the barrier. The Chairman stated that the Planning Board would want to look at this . Mr. Cron expressed his opinion that it is wrong to ask "John Jones' to bear the cost of wetlands, that it is a prohibitory ordinance, and that there should be some compensation. Mr. Howard Terry, Bldg. Inspector, suggested that before Mr. Cron submits Maps he should get elevations. Mr. Cron stated that he would still need a minor subdivision as the Judge is buying three buildable parcels. The Chairman stated that the Planning Board needs contours and would ask for 25 foot right-of-way and 25 foot reserve. The Planning Board and Mr. Richard Caplan, Bayview Develop- ment Corporation, Southold, New York, discussed plans of the Bayview Development Corporation. The Planning Board referred to Action of the Southold Town Board of Appeals in which they set forth conditions governing the granting of the appeal. Mr. Caplan presented the Planning Board with a survey that he claims shows the actual area of the site. He stated that there was a deviation in area, that he had 18,000 sq. ft. more than the Planning Board recognized. He stated that he believed the figure that the Planning Board had was taken off his drawing, that it was done to sketch and not survey. He stated that from their point of view it would cut off three units. Mr. Caplan said that he had written a letter in support of his comments and that they were ready to comply with all other requests. Mr. Caplan stated that the new survey deviates with respect to separation. He informed the Board that he is requesting a change of zone to M-1. The Chairman stated that the variance was granted with the condition that they do not exceed 33 units. Mr. Caplan replied that they did not want to get themselves into a trap and they would go back to the Board of Appeals. The Chairman stated that this is the second time reputable people have done the Map and then two or three months later you say this Map is wrong. He asked if Mr. Caplan expected the Board to take this as an honest survey now. Mr. Caplan said that he hoped the Planning Board would excuse their errors that were based on inexperience. Mr. Caplan explained that it was the architect 's fault as he was not experienced in Southold Town and did not know that a site plan would be used as a survey document. The Chairman stated that there is no real problem except that Bayview Development Corp. had completely undermined cdhfidence that the Board might have in the survey, the architect, or the planning; and the Planning Board would like to pass this on to their engineer to see what we come out with as this is the second time in two months that this has happened. Mr. Terry, Bldg. Inspector, stated that some of the land was filled and dug out again, and it might have something to do with wetlands. (The Board discussed the Map with Mr. Caplan) . Mr. Caplan said that they own through the middle of the channel; and that they have an existing motel building which contains Southold Town Planning Board -6- May 1, 1972 fifteen apartments which they want to maintain and want to get permission to keep that building intact. Mr. Raynor asked Mr. Caplan why they show six units instead of four. Mr. Caplan replied that it makes for fewer buildings and a better view. The Chairman asked if Mr. Caplan was prepared to give a perpetual easement to the Town. Mr. Caplan said that he is prepared to do so if the Town will give him M-1 zoning. He stated that they intend to use this property for recreation space or green space and that they are going to put a well in. The Chairman stated that if the application of Bayview Development Corporation is accompanied by a statement to the effect that this will be subject to perpetual easement, it would strengthen your position with the Town and with the Planning Board. Mr. Caplan stated that they are. prepared to abide by whatever the Planning Board determines and will proceed with the filing of the application. There was a discussion about test borings. Mr. Raynor expressed amazement that there had been no test borings done and said he would be interested to know whether there was clay strata. Mr. Terry, Bldg. Inspector, stated that there is pretty good bank run under there. The Chairman asked if the sketch was accurate enough to scale the property lines as the Planning Board wants to compare them with the Town's established boundaries. Mr. Caplan stated that he has valid permission but if necessary they would do a test boring. Mr. Raynor said he would loke to know what is down below as there are a lot of cesspools there. The Chairman stated that it is normal to have the location of test borings shown on the Map and that the Planning Board would ask the County why they are not required and why they are not shown on the Map. The Planning Board will take care of having the survey checked by a surveyor and an engineer. Mr. Caplan asked if he should leave the drawings with the Board. The Chairman replied that they might be helpful as they do show contours. .,. *1 IN- For the Record: Re : Lots #17 and #18, Mattituck }Estates; `'.letters have been received from property owners registering no objections to regrading the lots. Lefferts P. Edson, Esq. requests public hearing on Clarence Fleet subdivision, on May 22, 1972. (They are to bring in an additional $600.00 for -b=id. ) f ter On motion by Mr. Wickham, seconded by Mr. Coyle, it was RESOLVED that the Southold Town Planning Board set May 22, 1972, as date of hearing on application of Clarence Fleet sub- division. Vote of the Board: ,Ayes:- Messrs: Wickham, Moisa, Raynor, Coyle, Grebe. Southold Town Planning Board -7- May 1, 1972 Mr. Howard Terry, Building Inspector, stated that Penny Lumber, are requesting site plan approval to construct real estate office on the south side of County Road, Mattituck, New York. (The Board and Mr. Terry inspected and discussed Maps) . The Chairman stated that County requirements have to be met as far as putting the building back where it belongs, drainage, and parking in back of the building. The Planning Board would approve nothing less than a 60 foot setback. The building should not project beyond the connecting line from the nearest point of Charco's garage and to the nearest point of the house; the parking lot to be behind the building. The Chairman read letter which the Planning Board received from Mr. Donald S. Wilson, Youngs Avenue, Southold, New Yak, and directed that a letter be written to Mr. Wilson thanking him for his letter and respectfully suggesting that he attend the hearing on May 9th. Mr. Henry Raynor commented on Leisure Greens. He said he had two Fathers from the Chancellory office visit him. They would like to meet with the Planning Board. In back of their minds is the idea that this could be done without Leisure Greens, Inc. They are wondering what the Board would do if they asked for a change of zone. They want to sell the property. The Chairman stated that itts their privilege to come before the Board. The speaker at the Cutchogue Chamber of Commerce meeting will be Supervisor Albert Martocchia. The Planning Board discussed two acre subdivisions. Mr. Moisa stated that it should be legislated, that a piece of paper doesn't mean anything, and that new personnel would not know whether or not there was a piece of paper filed in the County Clerk' s office. The Chairman suggested that the Planning Board put it on the agenda for May 22, 1972. i Southold Town Planning Board -8- May 1, 1972 On motion by Mr. Raynor, seconded by Mr. Coyle, it was RESOLVED that minutes of Southold Town Planning Board dated April 18, 1972 be approved as submitted, subject to minor correction. Vote of the Board: Ayes: - Messrs: Wickham, Moisa, Raynor, Coyle, Grebe. The Southold Town Planning Board was presented with a notice from the Health Department approving Big Green Acres and Bay Homes. Mr. Howard Terry, Bldg. Inspector, informed the Planning Board that he had written to the St. Paul Fire Insurance Co. to the effect that nothing had been done and would not be done because C.P.F. Land Corporation intend to abandon and refile. They want the Planning Board to recommend to the Town Board that the original bond be dropped on Blue Horizons subdivision, Peconi.c, New Yorli because the subdivision is going to be abandoned and refiled under new specs. Notice of filing of Pequash Acres has been recorded as of the 30th of March, 1972. Letter was received from Raymond Dean requesting the Planning Board's approval on adding a section to the highway specifications and design for residential driveway construction through the shoulder area and sidewalk area of property line. Mr. Dean wants this to be in there so everyone who builds a house has to build to these specifications between the curb line and the property line. The Planning Board will ask Mr. Dean to attend the May 22nd meeting. The Town Board approved $15,000 for Big Green Acres. v Southold Town Planning Board -9- May 1, 1972 On motion by Mr. Grebe, seconded by Mr. Moisa, it was RESOLVED that the minutes of Southold Town Planning Board dated March 21, 1972 be approved as submitted, subject to minor correction. Vote of the Board: Ayes: - Messrs: Wickham, Moisa, Raynor, Coyle, Grebe. Letter from Mrs. Mothersele to be held over until May 22 meeting. Regarding State Planning Commission dues for two years, Mr. Terry located check numbers and dates they were audited and wrote a letter to the Commission. He received a letter of apology from them. Re: Mr. Walter Uhl, Orient By The Sea, Sec. 2. Mr. Raynor and Mr. Wickham will draft a reply before Tuesday, May 9, 1972. On motion by Mr. Coyle, seconded by Mr. Moisa, it was RESOLVED that the next executive session of the Southold Town Planning Board will be held on Monday, May 22, 1972, at the Town Office, Southold, New York. Vote of the Board: Ayes: - Messrs: Wickham, Moisa, Raynor, Coyle, Grebe. The meeting was adjourned at 11: 20 P.M. Respectfully submitted, l �,�9 yy l - ) �� -- �arjorie McDermott, Secretary Southold Town Planning Board J n Wickham, Chairman