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p SOUTHOLD, L. I., N. Y. 11971
PLANNING BOARD
MEMBERS
John Wickham, Chairman
Henry Molsa
Alfred•Grebe
Henry Raynor
Frank Coyle
M I N U T E S
SOUTHOLD TOWN PLANNING BOARD
October A, 1973
A regular meeting of the Southold Town Planning Board
was held at 7 :30 P.M. , Thursday, October 4 , 1973, at the
Town Office, Main Road, Southold, New York.
There were present: Messrs : Henry Moisa, Vice Chairman;
Henry Raynor, Frank Coyle, Alfred Grebe. Absent: John Wickham,
Chairman.
Also present: Mrs. Lorraine Terry; Mrs. Jean Tiedke;
Mrs. Ronnie Wacker, Suffolk Times.
MR. HENRY MOISA, Vice Chairman: I will call the hearing
to. order for preliminary approval of map of property known as
Pebble Beach Realty Subdivision located at East Marion, New York.
Mr. Henry Raynor read the legal notice of hearing, as
follows :
NOTICE IS HEREBY GIVEN that pursuant to Section 276 of
the Town Law, public hearings will be held by the Southold
Town Planning Board at the Town Office, Main Road, Southold,
New York, in said Town on the 4th day of October, 1973, at
7 :30 o'clock in the evening of said day, on the question of
the preliminary approval of the following plat:
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Plat of property owned by Pebble Beach Realty, Inc. ,
entitled Pebble Beach Realty Subdivision, consisting of a
parcel of land situated at East Marion, in the Town of
Southold, Suffolk County, New York, and bounded and described
as follows :
BEGINNING at a point on the northerly side of Main (State)
Road adjoining the southeast corner of land of Rutkowski
Estate; running thence northerly along the several lands of
Rutkowski Estate, Village of Greenport, F.F. King the following
courses and distances : (1) North 161 25 ' 30" West 272 . 05 feet;
(2) North 160 40 ' 30" West 447 . 07 feet; (3) North 160 23 ' 20"
West 127 . 47 feet; (4) North 15° 28 ' West 102 . 95 feet; (5)
North 15' 29 ' 30" West 310 .56 feet; (6) North 16' 16 ' West
260 . 73 feet; (7) North 161 29 ' 20" West 295 . 93 feet; (8) North 16'
31 ' 30" West 266 . 33 feet; (9) North 161 29 ' 10" West 167 .12 feet;
(10) South 691 47 ' 10" West 542 . 88 feet; (11) North 21' 46 ' 00"
West 692 . 45 feet; (12) South 661 28 ' 10" West 604 . 90feet; (13)
North 230 22 ' 40" West 1365 feet to the Long Island Sound;
thence northeasterly along the highwater mark of the Long
Island Sound the following courses and distances : (1) North 38'
10 ' 40" East 406 . 74 feet; (2) North 52° 02 ' 40" East 317 . 06 feet;
(3) North 59' 36 ' 00" East :t434 . 78 feet; (4) North 38' 09 ' 30" East
623 .16 feet; (5) North 320 44 ' 10" East 499 . 30 feet; (6) North
261 50 ' 20" East 697 .59 feet to land of Birten; thence southerly
along said land the following courses and distances : (1) South
15' 18 ' 10" East 300 . 0 feet; (2) South 13' 54 ' 10" East 816 . 76
feet; (3) South 130 31' 30" East 436 . 67 feet; (4) South 131 26 '
40" East 557 . 97 feet; (5) S-uth 12° 41' 40" East 314 . 36 feet;
(6) South 131 40 ' 10" East 446 . 72 feet; (7) South 110 47 ' East
126 . 63 feet; (8) South 130 00 ' 20" East 132 . 76 feet; (9) South
13' 01 ' 50" East 505 .25 feet; (10) South 131 56 ' 20" East 200 . 0
feet; (11) South 150 39 ' 30" East 200 . 09 feet; (12) South 13'
36 ' 40" East 262 . 01 feet; (13) South 131 56 ' 20" East 285 . 00
feet; (14) South 120 37 ' 40" East 153. 04 feet; (15) South 151
10 ' East 213 . 04 feet; (16) South 16' 14 ' East 90 . 07 feet; (17)
S-uth 16' 35 ' 20" East 239 . 60 feet; (18) South 72' 25 ' 10" West
144 . 42 feet; (19) South 19' 47 ' 10" East 370 . 39 feet to the
northerly side of Main Road, thence westerly along the northerly
side of Main Road the following courses and distances : (1) South
56' 13 ' 40" West 255 . 0 feet; (2) South 58' 06 ' 10" West 339 . 0
feet; (3) on a curve bearing to the right having a radius of 812
feet a distance of 120. 86 feet to the southeast corner of land
of Rutkowski Estate the point or place of BEGINNING.
Mr. Raynor also read the affidavits of publication in the
Long Island Traveler-Mattituck Watchman and the Suffolk Times.
Mr: Raynor read letter received from Raymond C. Dean,
Superintendent of Highways, as follows :
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"I have inspected the plot plan and lot sketch layout
of Pebble Beach Realty Subdivision, East Marion, New York,
and approve of the road ends . "
Mr. Raynor also read letter received from the Suffolk County
Department of Planning dated August 13 , 1973 , as follows :
"Re: Preliminary Map of Pebble Beach Realty, East Marion
Dear Mr. Wickham:
In accordance with your request the staff of the department has
considered the above captioned proposed subdivision. As brought
out in the meeting with you and other members of the town
planning board and the representatives of the developer, the
following points require serious consideration.
1. Final arrangement of the storm water drainage system;
particularly at the state highway.
2 . Reconsideration of lot line arrangement in certain
areas .
3 . Providing continuity to the reserved (buffer) areas .
4 . Certain road intersections will require redesign.
5 . The alignment of the road parallel to the shoreline
should be restudied and tied into the property lines
at each end.
6 . No storm water should be permitted to flow over the
edge of the bluff and down its face.
7 . Careful control of clearing and grading on shorefront
lots should be exercised.
8 . Restrictions should be placed upon lot owners of shore-
front lots to prevent them from destroying the vegetation
on the face of the bluff and from creating a multitide
of paths and trails down the face of the bluff.
9 . The setback from the bluff appears satisfactory.
The staff feels that the proposed use of the cluster
concept for this tract is commendable and will do much to
preserve the amenities of the town as well as preserving open
space for use of the future residents of the tract.
Southold Town Planning Board -4- October 4 , 1973
Of course you realize that the comments of staff given
above and at the meeting are only advisory and in no way do
they constitute a review. When this map is in the final
stage of preparation, it should be referred to the Suffolk
County Planning Commission for review pursuant to Section
1333 of the County Charter.
Very truly yours,
Lee E. Koppelman
Director of Planning
By Charles G. Lind
Subdivision Review Section"
MR. HENRY MOISA, Vice Chairman: We will now open the
hearing to anyone who wishes to speak in opposition to this
subdivision.
MRS . JEAN TIEDKE: What about questions, when are they
heard? Where and what type of sewer treatment would it be?
RUDOLPH BRUER, ESQ. : There will be a cesspool. This is
based on a cluster concept. What you have here is that
approximately 500 of the property is left over; meadows,
buffer areas, beach area, bluff line.
MRS . LORRAINE TERRY: What is the setback from the top
of the bluff?
MR. BRUER: 100 feet.
MRS . TERRY: I think you answered me the last time we
were here that 40 acres are presently being farmed and 50
acres are being left in open space .
MR. BRUER: The map shows 72 . 76 acres of open space. It
would probably, be a little more than that. This map is being
submitted after many meetings with this Board, the County
Planning Board, and many County officials , and is in conformity
with the present cluster ordinance. This is a preliminary
hearing.
MR. RAYNOR: We have not as yet received word back from
the County.
MR., MOISA: Do you have test wells?
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MR. BRUER: I believe it was felt that we had enough
material for a preliminary hearing.
MR. MOISA: We •try to get developers to get the water
tested.
MR. BRUER: It will be Greenport Water.
MR. MOISA: There won't be any problems as far as water
is concerned.
MRS . TERRY: Does this property directly adjoin Greenport
Water?
MR. BRUER: Yes.
MRS . TIEDKE: I am curious as to why more of your open
space is wooded land. This is a park for residents; it' s not
to be dedicated to the Town nor will the roads be dedicated
to the Town.
MR. RAYNOR: That is the option of the developer.
LEFFERTS EDSON, ESQ. : It' s not a part of this hearing.
MR. ROBERT DeMARIA: I think what she is concerned with
is the nature of the organization to maintain the roads and
open space.
LEFFERTS EDSON, ESQ. : It' s spelled out in the Ordinance.
MR. DeMARIA: Yes, it is spelled out in the Ordinance but
I think we would be curious to know, in this project, what
arrangements are being made.
MR. BRUER: The Ordinance is specific as to what must
be done in the case of private property.
MR. RAYNOR: If you are concerned with open space being
kept open, the subdividor has agreed to declare and restrict
covenants in perpetuity.
MR. BRUER: If the concern is about maintenance of open
space, whether or not that land would be included or released
so it can be further divided, the developer is responsible for
developing, the mechanics for following up, and if he is not
within the law, the Town has to turn him down.
MR. MOISA: This will be brought up before a final hearing.
It will be discussed before the Planning Board gives its final
approval.
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MRS . JEAN TIEDTKE: It is also possible at some future
date that the Ordinance might be declared illegal.
MR. BRUER:, You .are going beyond the Scope of the
hearing.
MR. RAYNOR: If one section of our Ordinance is considered
null and void, it does not declare the rest of the Ordinance
illegal.
MR. DeMARIA: I understand that there is a fairly extensive
Countywide water study being made and I wonder whether any
decision is going to be delayed until the County water study
is made. It is being made because the area may become over-
developed. It seems to me 'it .might be premature to make a
major decision before the study is completed.
MR. RAYNOR: This plan of an overall study is a considerable
length ,of time away. There is the question of legality as to
how long you may hold something like this in abeyance.
MRS . TIEDTKE : At one time there was some discussion about
erosion.
MR: RAYNOR: We had a, special meeting with the Suffolk.
County Department of Planning on this, and a report from the
Soil and Water Conservation District.
MR. MOISA: I believe this 'has to be sent to the State
Environmental Council in Stony Brook. Any parcel of land
within 300 feet of any wetland has to have their approval.
MRS . TIEDTKE : This park area, for your association,
that' s where the natural break in the bluff is. How big is
that park area?
MR. JOSEPH DONOVAN: It' s somewhat a little over two acres;
it's closer to three.
MRS-. TIEDTKE: They are approximately half acre lots then.
MR. DeMARIA: . If the formula is correct, we take' a total
parcel and subtract 20% for roads . You have to subtract 33
acres from 166 and if you divide that by two', if some of them
are larger then some of them have to be smaller.
MR. RAYNOR: On the formula we have worked on, you would
base it on 100 acres of property.
MR. MOISA: Are there any more questions? I believe this
has been gone over for a good long time.
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MRS . TERRY: This County water study that is in process ,
is it still on the drawing boards or have they started?
MR. RAYNOR: They have started research but it is still
a very tangible thing.
MRS . TIEDTKE : Does the Town have its own water study?
MR. RAYNOR: We have two very workable studies .
MRS . TIEDTKE : All we have is east of Mattituck because
the next water starts west and goes west.
MRS . TERRY: It doesn't matter whether you are following
it from and going to.
MR. HENRY MOISA, Vice Chairman: We will now ask if
anyone present wishes to speak in favor of this subdivision.
RUDOLPH BRUER, ESQ. : I would like to speak in beha-lf
of the Pebble Beach Realty subdivision. Let me say very
briefly that this map has been submitted after many conferences
and meetings with various agents of the County. It' s in
accordance with many of the suggestions of many of the agencies
of the County, and we think it is in accordance with the
Ordinance and should be granted preliminary approval at this
time. I think .it has been done with great thought.
MR. DeMARIA: I would like to ask a question. Are there
ways in which you think a project of this sort would be
detrimental to this community?
MR. BRUER: I don ' t think it is a germane question. I
think it is a very well thought out plan; it. is in accordance
with the Ordinance.
MRS . TIEDTKE: The public is entitled to something too.
MR. BRUER: It is a brand new Ordinance with the public
in mind and this conforms to it.
MRS'. TIEDTKE: What is your thought about the period of
time in which it would be done? Would it be done in sections?
MR. BRUER: It will not be done in a particular period of
time.
MR. OTTO UHL: Are people going to buy a lot and build their
own homes?
MR. BRUER: Yes.
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MR. HENRY MOISA, Vice Chairman: Does anyone else wish
to speak? Hearing no answer, I will declare the hearing on
Pebble Beach Realty Subdivision closed.
MR. HENRY MOISA, Vice Chairman: I will call the meeting
to order on the hearing for preliminary approval of map of
property known as East Hill - Section I .
Mr. Henry Raynor read the legal notice of hearing as
follows :
Plat of property owned by John Pontino, entitled
East Hill - Section I, consisting of a parcel of land
situate, lying and being at Peconic, in the Town of Southold,
County of Suffolk, and State of New York, bounded and described
as follows :
BEGINNING at a point on the westerly line of Indian Neck
Lane where it intersects with the southerly line of Leslie ' s
Road; running thence along the said westerly line of Indian
Neck Lane in a southerly direction a distance of 1127 . 00 feet
to land now or formerly of Anton Kull in a southwesterly
direction a distance of 420 . 0 feet; running thence along other
land of John Pontino on a course at right angles to the said
southerly line of Leslie ' s Road a distance of 170 . 00 feet;
running thence still along the said other land of John Pontino
in a northeasterly direction and parallel to the said southerly
line of Leslie ' s Road a distance of 50 . 00 feet; running thence
still along said other land of John Pontino in a northwesterly
direction and at right angles to the said southerly line of
Leslie ' s Road a distance of 365 . 00 feet to the said southerly
line of Leslie ' s Road; running thence northeasterly along the
said southerly line of Leslie ' s Road a distance of 985 . 00 feet
to the point of intersection with the westerly line of Indian
Neck Lane at the point or place of BEGINNING.
During the reading of the above legal notice an amendment
was made correcting the distance of 1127 . 00 feet to land now
or formerly of Anton Kull to read "827 . 00 feet" to land now or
formerly of Anton Kull.
Mr. Henry Raynor also read the proofs of publication in
the Long Island Traveler-Mattituck Watchman and the Suffolk
Times .
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Mr. Raynor read letter received from the Superintendent
of Highways, dated June ` 6 , 1973 , ,as . follows :
"I have inspected the Preliminary Subdivision Plan Map
of John Pontino and disapprove.
There is no drainage provision and a Preliminary Profile
was not included. "
MR. RAYNOR: He disapproves of drainage provisions and a
preliminary profile is, not in his office.
RUDOLPH BRUER, ESQ: : With respect to Section I it really
has nothing to do with it. There was no Section I and II at
that time'.
MR. HENRY MOISA: There will have to be a submission on
Section I .
MR. BRUER: At the time of the final hearing we will have
Health Department approval stamped on the map. I understand
that I will need a stamp from the Board of Health, and the
approval of the Superintendent of Highways. I will be glad
to make a copy of the Health Department report.
MR: HENRY MOISA, Vice Chairman: Is there anyone present
who wishes to speak against this proposed subdivision?
. (There was no response. )
MR. MOISA: Is there anyone who wishes to speak in
favor of this proposed subdivision?
MR. BRUER: I believe the purpose of preliminal approval
is to have a map submitted in accordance with the Ordinance.
I will submit the Health Department test tomorrow and in
accordance with the talk we had at the last meeting, we will
number Section II - 8, 9, 10, 11, etc. and there will be
no further subdivision. We will submit a map to the Superin-
tendent of Highways for his recommendations.
MR. HENRY MOISA, Vice Chairman: I will now declare this
hearing closed.
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Mr. Donald A. Denis , Mr. Alden Young, and William W.
Esseks, Esq. came before the board in regard to Inlet
East Estates at Mattituck. Mr. Young said that Mr. Charles
R. Barnett, District Conservationist, had sent a couple
of comments. In this particular case the Superintendent
of Highways referred it to Charles Barnett. Referring to
the map, Mr. Young said there was a grass area that came
over the recharge area and here is the way we had to change
it. There is a revision. Mr. Raynor said that Mr. Barnett
is asking for a 24" riser. Mr. Young said that the water
drops down through a pipe in case of large storms . We
have followed along with Mr. Barnett' s suggestions . The
last thing was sod area. This was revised; everything
was incorporated on this map. Mr. Esseks said that he sent
a map to the Superintendent of Highways the same day. Mr.
Esseks asked if the Board could set up a preliminary hearing.
Mr. Coyle said that weshould have all the papers in for a
preliminary hearing. Mr. Raynor suggested that they take
the initiative and said that they are going to have to go
through Stony Brook. Mr. Young asked why they should go through
Stony Brook as they are not backing into wetlands. Mr. Raynor
said that any subdivision within 300 feet of wetlands should
be reviewed by this body. Mr. Esseks said that as soon as
the Planning Board gets word from Mr. Dean, the Superintendent
of Highways , I hope that you will put us down for a public
hearing. When could it be? Mr. Raynor said it would probably
be close to a month. Mr. Esseks said that Mr. Dean has had
the plan for three or four weeks . Mr. Raynor said that if
Mr. Dean is happy with it, there is no reason why we can' t
go for a hearing. Mr. Raynor said that the Planning Board
would need 12 copies of map showing proposed new drainage.
Mr . Moisa said that the Board has to have 12 copies, the
latest submission. Mr. Esseks said that he had sent 12 copies
of everything. Mr. Raynor said that we need details of
drainage and profiles.
Messrs: Richard Lark, Esq. , Charles Price , and Alden
Young came before the Board in regard to Bruce Norris
Moma Weta subdivision. Mr. Lark said there are two
applications before the Board; one relates to cluster
subdivision, and the other is for a recommendation of
change of zone. It was thought that both applications
should be put in as opposed to just asking for multiple
zone. So, the residential subdivision would be put on the
balance of the property and the multiple would be on the
27 acre piece, plus the 10 acre piece which we have set
aside for sewage . Basically, the discussion tonight will
center around approval of change of zone and for tentative
approval of the subdivision plat.
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Mr. Raynor asked for an overall view of the Norris
holdings . Mr. Lark, referring to map, pointed out New
Suffolk Avenue and Maratooka Lake and said that east of the
property is Mattituck Airport which is partially zoned
Industrial although the airport, itself, is still "A"
Residential. Where the hatch marks are is the bigger
portion, 27 acres , that we are requesting be changed to
"M" zoning and that is where the units you see here will
be built. In regard to the 10 acre piece hooked to it,
the Town Attorney has interpreted that since we have to
put in a sewer treatment plant, it really is an accessory
to multiple zone, and not residential zone. That explains
this piece being proposed as "M" down here because 5 acres
are being set aside for sewage. The balance is for
residential subdivision. Mr. - Norris willl retain approxi=
mately 15 acres where he now has his housing complex which
is a swimming pool, tennis courts , 2.and other amenities .
He is also retaining about 15 feet on the front of that.
Are there any questions so far as to where it is and what
is intended? 10 . 9 acres and 27 . 6 acres is the total
acreage of multiple. It will work out to 132 units which
is in conformity with the Zoning Ordinance . That figures
out to a density of 4 . 6 units that is based only on the
27 . 6 acres . It would be less if you figured the 10 acre
piece.
On the residential subdivision which is exclusive of
5 acres for sewage, it computes out to 24 .5 acres . We used
a formula to come out with 21 units . That figures out on
an acreage basis . 85 less than one unit per acre. The 5 acres '
for sewage was not computed in this or in the 4 . 6 . We would
not be asking for multiple except that the Town Attorney
says it is an accessory use for this . It would even drive
the density down lower if you ...added the 5 acres . We did not
because in the cluster concept bothnthese portions here will
be zoned multiple. This will be a filed map and it' s computed
to get 21 units, not by choice but by the legality of the
sewage treatment section. We had a choice to make so 132
units was selected. It was not contemplated in the original
study but the Board of Health wants 5 acres set aside for
nothing but sewage treatment. After consulting with Mr.
Norris we find it does provide an additional buffer for
his estate . Although 5 acres will be set aside only the
center will be used for sewage. The rest will be planters
and drainage area. Mr. Young said that when you add the
100 feet from the beds and the 100 feet where the beds would
be, you come up with 5 acres . Mr. Raynor asked if there
would be any question as to that 100 feet. Mr. Young said
that 100 feet will be residential.
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Referring to the map, Mr. Lark said that the little
jog on the land on proposed "M" zone is where the proposed
water site will go. Mr. Tasker wanted the zoning to be
multiple . We carried that down. There will be a common
entrance for "A" and "M" . That explains why the line is
drawn that way as you see it. The "M" zone, itself, is
presented here with the plans that you have and this was
laid out with topography in mind, and it does conform to
existing zoning. I also have a sketch plan of what the
multiple units will look like . In the lower portion is
the elevation and in the upper portion is the basic floor
plan layout. Mr. Price has talked to the architect more
than I have. To avoid monotony the cluster is inter-
changeable. Mr. Raynor noted that the inner court has a
wall . Mr . Price said that this is a low wall like an
inner court wall. It' s a Japanese type garden. This is
an Oregon architect, and they do have a lot of things
like that out there. Mr. Lark said the architect has
the square footage labelled A through D. "A" has 982
sq. ft. ; "B" has 1, 458 sq. ft. ; "C" has 1, 007 sq. ft. ;
and "D" has 1, 620 sq. ft. "D" has an extra bedroom.
Two car garages are contemplated and that ' s another 1 ,400 sq. ft.
In the condominiums they will be buying air space which will
be living space and also a court yard. He has not computed
that in. He kept it separate . Mr: Lefkowitz wants it
separate. The air space you are buying would run from 1500
sq. ft. to 2300 sq. ft: He -did not show the garage in the
living area. It will be a combination of concrete and wood.
That is what they contemplate building there. He can vary
these units to get different front facades . Mr: Young said
you will not have that straight barracks type look. In the
central portion of the condominiums they contemplate to
make club house, recreation, and pool. There is no access
to the Bay. There is no right of way':to the Bay. This is
a contained type situation.
Mr. Raynor said this will have to go to the County
because of its proximity to the airport. Mr. Young said
that he took the liberty of sending it to Charles Lind.
I have presented it to them except for additional in forma-
tion in Bulletin #8 . Mr. Raynor said that in regard to
the drainage situation you are running into quite a
depression in this area. Mr: Young said this is going to
be filled. Mr. Lark said that what Mr. Raynor is referring
to is the general flow from the street to the Bay but in
this area there is,---a pocket. Mr. Young repeated that it
has to be filled. This drainage area is large enough
based on formulas of 5" rainfall. If you want 6" we can
arrange that.
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Mr. Lark said that since there is a common roof line ,
one of the things they are contemplating is dry wells . It
also allows for a private road concept because the drainage
problem won 't be as great if we can drain the roads and
the driveways . (Referring to map) We have reserved this
corner piece here for an additional building for maintenance ,
storage of lawn mowers, etc. There is some room here to
construct a recharge basin. Mr. Lark pointed out on the
map other locations for recharge basins. The pipe for
overflow has not been determined yet. When they start
matching everything up for floor plans , it will be done.
Mr. Moisa said that the road committee will give final
approval. Actually you are asking for a change of zone
now. Mr. Raynor said that we are still going to look for
a turn-around. Mr. Lark said that with the granting of
a change of zone, there would be filed with the Town
Attorney a declaration of covenants; and the other thing
will be the construction of one family detached dwellings
so there will be covenants on here that we can't put on
multiple units. The only reason we are asking is as
accessory use. We came to the conclusion we would leave
5 acres out of all computations, 4 . 6 is less, I am using
5 acres for the cluster concept.
Mr. Ranor said that as he looks at the map he finds
that they have relocated this road. Mr. Price said that
he wanted to divide the road and have trees lined up down
the middle but it would not work. Both roads will remain
and all the trees will remain. We are not taking any trees
out except for what we have to do to make a drive. Mr.
Raynor said that in looking at the intersection, he feels
that will have to have an uncluttered view. Mr. Price
said that it just has shrubs and a hedge. Mr. Lark said
that Mr. Norris wanted to retain that entranceway.
Mrs. Jean Tiedtke looked at the map and asked if this
road is going to be straightened out. Mr. Raynor said
yes, that it would cut across Cedric Wickham' s property.
Mr. Lark said the upper left will be taken out. He said
that Camp Mineola Road is impassable. We have no control
over the 25 feet going into the property line so we moved
back and will reserve the additional . This could be
widened out into a 50 foot road at a later date. Some
day, if this property is ever developed, it would just
require widening. We don 't intend to do it at the present
time. There has been a dispute as to what people to the
south have a right of way. Some have rights and some have
not.
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Mr. Lark said that they also have a sketch plan
that Mr. Young has prepared for the proposed cluster.
The property runs right up to Marratooka,! Rather than
put the homes on there, it is contemplated that this
will be considered part of the park and playground area.
You have to do something with land so this will be a filed
map and we have computed this into park and playground.
(referring to map) There is a planting area here, park
and playground; and here there are three areas . Rather
than make it into a lot, we did this . Mr. Norris wants
to keep that entranceway that he has. It will also
break this up quite a bit and still allow space for the
lot here. Mr. Raynor asked if they would be willing to
tie this up in perpetuity. Mr. Lark said "Yes" . This
will not go with the condominiums; it' s strictly a
residential subdivision. Mrs . Tiedtke commented that
there won 't be anything left for the public around here.
Mr. Lark said that this is privately held now; the people
who live on this lake want to keep it private. It will
just be left the way it is . Mr. Lark said that Mr. Norris,
Mr . Price and Mr . Young decided on an average of about
30 , 000 sq. ft. per lot with water and sewage. This will
also participate in the sewage system and the water
system. Mr. Raynor stated that those lots will have to be
covenanted that there may be no further subdivision.
Mr . Price said that they did not want to split up the
old house and the old barns . We are going to leave them.
Mr . Moisa said that we will ask for a legal instrument.
Mr. Lark said that the reason why they were stuck was that
they wanted to leave the house and the barns . The buildings
are quite large. We would agree that there should be no
subdivision in the future . That' s the intent. Mr. Norris
felt quite strong about leaving them because that is the
entrance to his place . Mr. Moisa asked if there were any
other questions and said that the Planning Board would give
it consideration later on. Mr. Lark said he would appreciate
a speedy consideration. The details have to be worked in;
the recharge area will have to be worked out and the road
area will have to be laid out.
Mr. Moisa suggested that it would be advisable to have
Mr. Raymond Dean look at the proposal . Mr. Young said that
they just wanted to know if the Board liked the concept,
and if it would be possible to do it. Mr. Lark said that
the way the contour lays out, it is feasible to make a
50 foot road. We can't do that until we get sketch plan
approval from you. This is strictly a sketch plan. At
a preliminary hearing you would have Mr. Dean' s recommendation.
At this time, Mr. Dean doesn' t have enough detail because he
doesn' t have a profile .
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GE o,R C-E PZFiv,Il Y
Mr. Wester T„moo appeared before the Planning Board
with a map of a minor subdivision at Cutchogue. The
Board decided that they would need time for further
review.
Mr. Henry Moisa read letter received from Mr. R. W.
Gillispie, Jr. , Chairman of the Board of Appeals, dated
July 24 , 1973, as follows :
"Evelyn Swisky, Bayview Road, Southold, New York,
appeared before the Board of Appeals at 9 : 00 P.M. , July
19 , 1973 , requesting a variance for permission to divide
property with less than required area and frontage , and
for approval of access on property located on the north
side of Bayview Road, Southold.
Mrs . Swisky owns approximately 21/2 acres which
includes the portion of property on which her residence is
located. The remainder of the property runs back to a
creek which has been dredged. Mrs. Swisky' s application
requested that she be permitted to make three lots of the
frontage on this creek with an access road from Bayview
Road along her west property line.
We advised Mrs. Swisky that she would not be permitted
. to create or sell lots consisting of less than 40 , 000 sq. ft.
However, if the Planning Board is willing to create two lots
to the rear of Mrs. Swisky' s residence property. the Board
of Appeals would grant a variance on the remainder of the
property, consisting of approximately 28 , 000 sq. ft, , on
which her residence is located.
The Board of Appeals feels it would be reasonable to
grant a variance on Mrs . Swisky' s residence lot, permitting
this lot to be approximately 28 ,000 sq. ft. , as it is
larger than the adjoining lot to the east.
We suggested to Mrs . Swisky that she refer this
matter to the Planning Board, and have postponed our
decision until we have your recommendations. "
Mr. Henry Moisa said that the Planning Board had
looked at this property and felt it was a reasonable
request.
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On motion by Mr. Raynor, seconded by Mr. Coyle, it was
RESOLVED that the Planning Board grant two lots on
the rear of the property of Evelyn Swisky, facing the
creek.
Vote of the Board: Ayes :- Messrs: Raynor, Moisa,
Coyle, Grebe.
A letter was received from Mr. Raymond C. Dean dated
October 1, 1973 , Re: Woodhollow Properties- Orient by the
Sea, as follows :
"The Southold Town Highway Committee and myself have
agreed to the area set aside for a recharge basin, instead
of our suggestion of lot #64 as recommended in our letter
of August 8 , 1973 . "
The Secretary will send a copy of the above letter to
Mr. William E. deBruin, Jr. , Froelich & Mahony, Mineola,
New York, counsel for Woodhollow Properties.
On motion by Mr. Moisa, seconded by Mr. Coyle, it was
RESOLVED that the next meeting of the Planning Board
will be held on October 24 , 1973, at 7 : 30 P.M. , Main Road,
. Southold, New York.
Vote of the Board: Ayes :- Messrs : Moisa, Coyle, Raynor,
Grebe.
A letter dated October 9, 1973 was received from
Gary Olsen, Esq. requesting an informal discussion of the
proposals of Leisure Greens, Inc . The Board suggested
that he could come before the Board at their next meeting.
Two letters dated October 1, 1973, were received from
Mr . Charles Barnett, District Conservationist; one in
regard to Greenfields at Southold; and one in regard to
John Fellinger-Ihar.
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On motion of Mr. Moisa, seconded by Mr. Coyle, it was
RESOLVED that the Southold Town Planning Board approve
the minutes of August 28 , 1973 , September 4 , 1973 , and
September 18 , 1973 .
Vote of the Board: Ayes :- Messrs : Raynor, Coyle,
Moisa, Grebe .
On motion by Mr. Coyle, seconded by Mr. Grebe, it was
RESOLVED that the Southold Town Planning Board grant
preliminary approval to Pebble Beach Realty Subdivision
located at East Marion, Town of Southold.
Vote of the Board: Ayes :- Messrs : Moisa, Raynor, Grebe,
Coyle.
On motion by Mr. Raynor, seconded by Mr. Coyle, it was
RESOLVED that the Southold Town Planning Board grant
preliminary approval to the John Pontino subdivision, East
Hill, Section I , at Peconic, Town of Southold.
Vote of the Board: Ayes : - Messrs : Moisa, Raynor, Grebe,
Coyle.
The Southold Town Planning Board received from the
Southold Town Board the original petition of Bruce A. Norris ,
relative to a change of zone from "A" Residential and
Agricultural District to "M" Light Multiple Residence
District on certain real property situated at Mattituck,
in the Town of Southold, together with the instructions to
prepare a report defining the conditions contained therein.
This property is situated at Mattituck, in the Town of
Southold, County of Suffolk, New York, and more particularly
bounded and described as follows :
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BEGINNING at a point formed by the intersection of
the southerly line of New Suffolk Avenue with the division
line between the lands of George Brooks and of Bruce Norris
and running thence from said point of beginning N. 77' 02 '
20" E. along the southerly line of New Suffolk Avenue 78 . 44
feet; thence southwesterly, southerly, westerly, and again
southerly through the land of Bruce Norris the following
courses and distances : (1) On a curve to the left with a
radius of 36 .15 feet for a distance of 43 . 75 feet; (2)
S . 70 42 ' 00" W. 218 .10 feet; (3) S . 71 30 ' 20" W. 349 . 92
feet; (4) N. 82' 29 ' 40" W. 50 . 00 feet; (5) S. 70 30 ' 20"
W. 845 . 96 feet; (6) S . 70 31 ' 10" E. 423 . 00 feet to the
northeast corner of the land of Frank J. Murphy, (the point
of beginning of parcel no. two hereinafter dewcribed) ;
thence N. 86° 47 ' 40" West along the lands of Frank J.
Murphy and of Laurence P. Reeve 809 . 45 feet to the easterly
line of Reeve Avenue, also known as Camp Mineola ROAD;
thence northerly along the easterly line of Reeve Avenue
the following courses and distances : (1) N. 7° 07 ' 00 E.
667 . 65 feet; (2) N. 71 32 ' 00" E. 519 .57 feet; (3) N. 16'
07 ' 00" E. 550 . 85 feet to the southwest corner of the land
of Vera Cichanowicz; thence easterly and northerly along
the lands of Vera Cichanowicz , of Alice Dove, of Alberta
Reeve and of George Brooks the following courses and
distances : (1) S . 76° 27 ' 30" E. 312 . 78 feet; (2) S .
770 45 ' 30" E . 91. 78 feet; (3) S . 770 53 ' 20" E. 96 . 70
feet; (4) S . 731 38 ' 30" E. 121. 88 feet; (5) N. 7° 42 '
00" E. 224 . 34 feet to the point or place of beginning,
containing an area of 27 . 683 acres .
PARCEL NO. 2 - BEGINNING at the northeast corner of
the land of Frank J. Murphy and running thence from said
point of beginning northerly, easterly, southerly and
westerly through the land of Bruce Norris the following
courses and distances (1) N. 70 31 ' 10" W. 183 . 56 feet;
(2) N. 82° 28 ' 50" E. 450 . 89 feet; (3) S . 01 47 ' 40" W.
106 .56 feet; (4) S . 7" 01 ' 50" E . 994 . 46 feet; (5) S .
820 27 ' 50" W. 426 . 73 feet to a point in the easterly line
of the land of Thornton E. Smith; thence N. 70 32 ' 10"
W. along the lands of T-ornton E. Smith, of Matilda S .
Haberman, Appolonia Kirchgessner, of Joseph Peters, and of
Frank J. Murphy 916 . 44 feet to the point or place of
beginning containing an area of 10 . 915 acres .
The Planning Board discussed this change of zone.
On motion by Mr. Raynor, seconded by Mr. Grebe, it was
RESOLVED that the Southold Town Planning Board recommend
this change :of zone from "A" Residential and Agricultural
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District to "M" Light Multiple Residence District on
Parcels One and Two. It is the opinion of the Southold
Town Planning Board that this proposed change of zone
should be approved because it is in compliance with the
Town Development Plan.
Vote of the Board: Ayes :- Messrs : Moisa, Coyle,
Raynor, Grebe .
On motion of Mr. Moisa, seconded by Mr. Raynor, it
was
RESOLVED that the Planning Board accept the sketch
plan of the Norris cluster development and approve the
plan of Momo Weta Estates .
sKET`Gt/
Vote of the Board: Ayes :- Messrs : Moisa, Raynor,
Coyle, Grebe .
On motion by Mr. Raynor, seconded by Mr. Grebe, it was
RESOLVED that the Planning Board send the A.-W.
Albertson change of zone request to the New York State
Conservation Commission for study and a report.
Vote of the Board: Ayes :- Messrs : Moisa, Raynor,
Coyle, Grebe .
Mr. Howard Terry, Building Inspector, sent a message
to the Planning Board with regard to the developers of
Laurel Country Estates granting verbal beach rights .
The Planning Board asked the Secretary to refer all material
relating to this matter to Mr. Robert Tasker, Town Attorney.
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In an informal discussion, Mr. Henry Moisa said that
a neighbor had called him with reference to curbing. S He
owns a piece of property that goes into Petty' s Bite and
there is no curb cut. None of the lots have a curb cut
because it isn 't known where people are going to put
their garages . I told her she would have to chop it out
or get in touch with the Highway Committee.
Mr. Grebe said that one of the houses down at the
Fort - a brick house- is owned by a man who wants to sell
half of it. Mr. Moisa said their attorneys would have to
figure that one out. Mr. Raynor said that he will have to
try to get a variance. Mr: Grebe said that it was an Army
house, a two family house. Mr. Moisa said that he didn 't
think anyone could stop a person from buying into a condomin-
ium. Mr. Grebe said that the ownership is in one name and
they want to sell half. Mrs . Tiedtke said that this is
done in many cities .
The meeting was adjourned at 10 :15 P .M.
Respectfully .submitted,
Marjorie McDermott, Secretary
Southold Town Planning Board
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hn Wickham, Chairman