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HomeMy WebLinkAboutPB-09/18/1973 Southold 'Town Planning Board T . g SOLJTHOLD, L. I., N. Y. 11971 PLANNING BOARD MEMBERS John Wlokham, Chairman Henry Molsa Alfred Grebe Henry Raynor Frank Coyle M I N U T E S SOUTHOLD TOWN PLANNING BOARD September 18 , 1973 A regular meeting of the Southold Town Planning Board was held at 7 :30 P.M. ; Tuesday, September 18 , 1973 , at the Town Office, Main Road, Southold, New York. There were present: Messrs :, John Wickham, Chairman; Henry Moisa, Vice Chairman; Henry Raynor; Frank Coyle. Also present: Edward Bage, P.E. ; Lawrence Tuthill, P.E. ; Lorraine Terry; Mrs. Philip R. Marriner. THE CHAIRMAN: I will call the hearing to order for the property known as Elijah' s Lane Estates, Section I , consisting of approximately 60 acres at Mattituck, New York. Henry Raynor read the legal notice of hearing as follows: NOTICE IS HEREBY GIVEN that pursuant to Section 276 of the Town Law, public hearings will be held by the Southold Town Planning Board at the Town Office, Main Road, Southold, New York, in said Town on the - 18th' day of September, 1973 , at 7 :30 o'clock in the evening of the said day, on the question of the preliminary approval of the following plats: i Southold Town Planning Board -2- September 18 , 1973 1 . Plat of property owned by Joseph Saland, entitled "Elijah' s Lane Estates, Section I" , consisting of a parcel of land situated at Mattituck, in the Town of Southold, Suffolk County, New York, and bounded and described as follows : BEGINNING at the point formed by the intersection of the southerly line of the Long Island Rail Road and the westerly line of Elijah' s Lane and running thence from said point of beginning South 420 38 ' 38" E. along the westerly line of Elijah' s Lane 3177 . 62 feet to the northerly line of the land of Maston; thence westerly and southerly along the land of Maston the following courses and distances : (1) South 53' 01 ' 22" West 132 . 50 feet; (2) South 42' 38 ' 38" East 82 . 50 feet to the northerly line of land of Martin Filla and running thence westerly and southerly along the land of Martin Filla in the following courses and distances : (1) South 53° Ol ' 22" West 343 .11 feet; (2) South 41' 21 ' 38" East 71 . 47 feet to the northeast corner of land of Neville and running thence westerly and southerly along the land of Neville the following courses and distances : (1) South 56° 15 ' 52" West 22 . 58 feet; (2) South 50' 06 ' 02" West 82 .53 feet; (3) South 76g 53 ' 22" West 49. 42 feet; (4) South 21' 49 ' 38" East 125 . 00 feet to the northerly line of Main Road and running thence South 761 53 ' 22" West along the northerly line of Main Road 50 .58 feet to the land now or formerly J 1, Southold Town Planning Board -3- September 18 , 1973 of Bergen and running thence northerly and westerly along the land now or formerly of Bergen the follow- ing courses and distances : (1) North 211 49 ' 38" West 222 . 97 feet; (2) South 629 15 ' 22" West 234 . 55 feet to the easterly' line of the land of Agnes Grabowski and running thence North 421 30 ' 38" West along the easterly line of land of Agnes Grabowski 98 .52 feet to the southerly line of land of Elijah',s Lane Estates the following courses and distancess (1) North 470 21 ' 22" East 276 .57 feet; (2) on a curve to the left having a radius of 75 . 00 feet for a dis- tance of 92 . 32 feet; (3) North 470 21 ' 22" East 169 .19 feet; (4) North 42° . 38 ' 38" West 50 . 00 feet; (5) North 470 21 ' 22" East 75 . 38 feet; (6) North 420 14 ' 38" West 2955 .21 feet to the southerly line of Long Island Railroad and running thence North 420 11 ' 52" East along the southerly line of Long Island Railroad 250 . 00 feet to the point of place of BEGINNING. Containing 21. 930 acres . Any person desiring to be heard should appear on the above matter at the time and place above specified. Dated: September 7 , 1973 BY ORDER OF THE SOUTHOLD TOWN PLANNING BOARD JOHN WICKHAM, CHAIRMAN PLEASE PUBLISH ONCE, SEPTEMBER 13 , 1973 , and FORWARD (8) AFFIDAVITS OF PUBLICATION TO THE SOUTHOLD TOWN PLANNING BOARD, MAIN ROAD, SOUTHOLD, NEW YORK. Southold Town Planning Board -4- September 18 , 1973 Copies mailed to the following on September 7 , 1973 The Long Island Traveler-Mattituck Watchman The Suffolk Weekly Times Elijah's Lane Estates - Joseph Saland Syloret Estates - Lorraine Hochman Oregon View Estates a/c Gary Olsen Sleepy Hollow a/c Gary Olsen Supervisor Albert M. Martocchia THE CHAIRMAN: We have a letter in the file from Mr. Robert Jewell of the Department of Health which reads as follows': Aug. 29, 1973 "Re. Proposed subdivision of Elijah Assoc. , Mattituck This office is in receipt of the well certificates and water analyses for the three test wells located in the above referenced subdivision. Please be advised that the results are within the limits of the drinking water limits , and are therefore approved. The test holes were - inspected in June of 1973 and were also favorable. Since there appears to be no problem with the sewage disposal and water supply systems, you may proceed to prepare the final plats for approval from this office. Should you have any further questions please contact this office. " THE CHAIRMAN: We have also had a report from Mr. Charles Barnett of the Suffolk County Soil and Water Conservation District. This has been discussed by this Board and the developers and the recommendations have been, in general, adopted. THE CHAIRMAN: The affidavit . of disclosure indicates that the only persons having an interest in the subject real property are as follows : Alex Kupferstein, 117 Arrandale Rd. , Rockville Center, New York; Barbara Kupfer residing at 42 Indian Trail, Woodbridge, Connecticut; Earl Kupferstein residing at 280 Cornwall Road, Glen Rock, New Jersey; and Martin Harmon residing at 2055 Center Avenue, Fort Lee, New Jersey, Owners; Martin Filla, residing at Woodcliff Drive, Mattituck, New York, First Mortgagee; t Southold Town Planning Board -5- September 18 , 1973 Richard Korngold and Helena Korngold, his wife, - residing .at 195-33 39th Avenue, Flushing, New York; Karl Blumenfeld and Blanka Blumenfeld, his wife, both residing at 5331 206th Street, Bayside, New York; John Fellinger-Ihar and Olivia Fellinger-Ihar, his wife, both residing at 20 East 74th Street, New York; Ruth Engel, residing at Main Road, Mattituck, New York; Edward Sussman and Lillian Sussman_, his wife, both residing at 223-23 56th Street, Bayside, New- York; Rhoda Epstein, residing at 91 Laurel Place, Bridgeport, Connecticut; and Inland Homes , Inc. , a domestic corporation having its principal place of 'business at 432 Middle Country Road, Selden, New York, whose principals are ,Kenneth Thurber, Jr. , residing at Jacobs Lane; Wading River, New York, and Robert E. Hiltz, residing at Levon. Lane, Miller Place, New York; undisclosed contract, vendees; and That attached hereto and made a part hereof is a legal description of the subject premises; and That none of the foregoing names of persons or corpora- tions are employees of the Township of Southold, County of Suffolk or State of New York. (Signed) Joseph Saland (Notarized)June 20, 1973" THE CHAIRMAN: Is there anyone present who wishes to speak in opposition to this subdivision? (There was no response. ) THE CHAIRMAN: Is there anyone present who wishes to speak in favor of this subdivision? MR. JOSEPH SALAND: We think we are going to make a subdivision that we can be proud of, and the Town of Southold will be proud of it. THE. CHAIRMAN: Is this in the form of a joint venture? MR. SALAND: Yes . THE CHAIRMAN: I would like the record to show that the names of owners, as previously read, take the form of a, jointventure. THE CHAIRMAN: If no one else wishes to speak in behalf of this application, I will declare the hearing closed. THE CHAIRMAN: Mr. Saland, I believe you know that it will be necessary for you to prepare a final map with stamps and signatures. We will have a bond estimate prepared by db Southold Town Planning Board -6- September 18 , 1973 our Town Engineer. It will be sent to us for approval and we will send it to the Town Board who have to act on sufficiency of the bond. Following that a final hearing will be held. We hold both preliminary and final hearings . When the bond is approved by the Town we will sign the maps. We will instruct our engineer to make - an estimate. We figure on an increased cost over a three year period; they usually run about 1500 . Some people prefer to have some of the work done beforehand so the total bond figure can be increased. Preliminary approval includes improvement of highways, so you may proceed. MR. SALAND: We are only going to do Section I . We are not touching the road going to the main highway. Assum- ing that we post a bond, do we have preliminary approval? THE CHAIRMAN: You will have to call the office in the morning to find out whether you have preliminary approval. THE CHAIRMAN: I will call the meeting to order on the hearing for preliminary approval for map of property known as Syloret Estates, owned by Lorraine Hochman, Mr. Henry Raynor read the legal notice of hearing, as follows : 2 . Plat of property owned by Lorraine Hochman, entitled Syloret Estates,, consisting of a parcel of land situated at Cutchogue, in the Town of Southold, Suffolk County, New York, and bounded and described as follows : BEGINNING at a point on the northerly side of Middle Road where the same is intersected by the southwesterly end of a curve connecting the northerly side of Middle Road with the southwesterly side of Bridge Lane; running thence along the northerly side of Middle Road South 700 36 ' 40" West 312 . 46 feet to land now or formerly of Agnes D. McGunnigle, running thence along said land North 46' 23 ' 30" West 2516 .12 feet to land now or formerly of Society for the Propagation of the Faith; running thence along said land North 45' 41 ' 40" East, 368 .12 feet to the southwesterly side of Bridge Lane; running thence along -the southwesterly side of Bridge Lane the following three courses and distances : (1) South 45' 31 ' 30" East, 827 . 92 feet; (2) South 491 18 ' 00" East, 204 . 23 feet; (3) South 46' 39 ' 40" East, 1554 . 51 feet to the northerly end of the curve first abovementioned; running thence in a general southwesterly direction along said curve bearing to the right having a radius of 65 feet a distance of 133 . 04 feet to the northerly side of Middle Road at the point or place of BEGINNING. db Southold Town Planning Board -7- September 18 , 1973 Mr:., Raynor also read the proofs of publication in the Suffolk Weekly Times and the Long Island Traveler- Mattituck Watchman. The Chairman read letter from Mr. Raymond C. Dean, Superintendent of Highways , as follows : Dated: August 20 , 1973 "I have inspected the Preliminary Subdivision plan for Lorraine Hochman, Cutchogue, New York, and approve of the lay-out. " The Chairman also read Letter of Transmittal from the Town Clerk dated August 8 , 1973 ; and letter from Aldo Andreoli, P .E. , Suffolk County Department of Health, dated September 12 , 1973 . Letter of disclosure reads as follows : "This is to certify that the following individuals are the only owners of the described property in Schedule A, and no other individual or individuals have any interest whatsoever in the above property: Lorraine Hochman, 2116 Vine Drive, Merrick, N. Y. , Sylvia Weiss, 1200 East 53rd St. , Brooklyn, N. Y. , Ethel Kash, 142-05 Roosevelt Avenue, Flushing, New York. " (Signed by Lorraine Hochman and notarized on the 6th day of July, 1973 . ) THE CHAIRMAN: Does anyone wish to be heard in opposition to this subdivision, entitled Syloret Estates? (There was no response. ) THE CHAIRMAN: I told Mr. Hochman that it would not be necessary to make a special trip out here as we believe that he has met all our requirements . There was a further discussion of the map. Mr. Raynor stated that access to Lots 16 and 17 will be on Bridge Lane and not on Middle Road. We have been trying to locate parks and playgrounds off highways . You will note that it borders on two other pieces of property. The Chairman said that our attorney tells us that we only have the right to demand park and playground for the lot owners in this subdivision. This is not too bad a location because it' s readily accessible. THE CHAIRMAN: If there are no other questions, I will now declare the hearing closed. Southold Town Planning Board -8- September 18 , 1973 THE CHAIRMAN: I will call the hearing to order for the property known as Oregon'View Estates .consisting of approximately 48 acres, and situated in Cutchogue, New York. Henry Raynor read the legal notice , of hearing, as follows : 3 . Plat of property owned by Louis Hodor, entitled Oregon View Estates , consisting of a parcel of land situated at Cutchogue, in the Town of Southold, Suffolk County,, New York, and bounded and described, as follows : BEGINNING at a point on the northwesterly line of Middle Road (C.R. 27) , which point is southwesterly as measured along the northwesterly line of said Middle Road, the northwesterly line being on a curve with a radius of 5 ,669 .58 feet, 514 .73 - feet from the southwesterly terminus of an arc of a curve connecting the northwesterly line of said Middle Road with the southwesterly line of Depot Lane; and running thence from said point of beginning on a curve to the right with a_ radius of 5 ,669.58 feet along the northwesterly line of said Middle Road for a distance of 382 .18 feet; thence South 450 32 ' 05" West still along the northwesterly line of ,said Middle Road 242 . 89 feet., to the land now or formerly of Pauline Matwieczyk; thence northwesterly and southwesterly along the land now or formerly of Pauline Matwieczyk the following courses and distances : (1) North 501 30 ' 35" West 1007 . 33 feet; (2) South 400 56 ' 25" West 201 . 32 feet; thence South 490 38 ' 25" East along the lands now or formerly of Pauline Matwieczyk and of P. Gancarz 990 .72 feet to the north- westerly line of said Middle Road; thence North 451 33 ' 05" West along the northwesterly line of said Middle Road 561.22 feet to . the land now or- formerly of Thomas McGunnigle; thence northwesterly and southwesterly along the land now or formerly of Thomas McGunnigle the following courses and distances : (1) North 471 52 ' 25" West 600 . 0 feet; (2) South 45 33 ' 05" West 150 .27 feet to the land now or formerly of the Estate of J. Simcik; thence north= westerly, northeasterly and again northwesterly along the land now or formerly of the Estate of J. Simcik the following courses and distances : (1) North 470 52 ' 25" West 660 . 0 feet; (2) .North 45° 29 ' 45" East 669.16 feet; (3) North 49° 50 ' 55" West 840 . 90 feet to the land now or formerly of Ficner; thence North 400 54 ' 45" East along the land now or formerly of Ficner 109 .53 .feet to the land now or formerly 'of Alexander Domaleski; thence southeasterly and northeasterly along the land now or formerly of Alexander Domaleski the following courses and distances: - (1) South 50* .30 ' 35" East 438 . 85 feet; (2) North 380 16 ' 15" East 585 . 44 feet to the land now or formerly of John Matwieczyk; thence South 51° 43 ' 45" East along, the land now or formerly of John Matwieczyk 1754 .70 feet to the Southold Town Planning Board -9- September 18 , 1973 point or place of BEGINNING. Mr. Raynor also read the proofs of publication in the Suffolk Weekly Times and the Long Island Traveler- Mattituck Watchman. The Chairman read the following letters : Letter from Mr. Raymond C. Dean, Superintendent of Highways , dated June 26 , 1973 : "I have inspected the Preliminary Map and Profile of Oregon View Estates located at Cutchogue, New York, and approve of the layout. " Letter from the Suffolk County Department of Health: Dated: July 31, 1973 - "This is to advise you that the results of the water analysis taken from two (2) test wells located on the site of the above referenced preliminary subdivision have been received by this office. The preliminary water analysis report as received at this time meets all applicable drinking water standards for potable water supply as required by this Department in conjunction with the standards of the United States Public Health Service. " Letter of Disclosure: Signed by Louis Hodor, dated the 29th day of July, 1973 , and notarized. "Louis Hodor, being duly sworn, deposes and states as follows : 1. That I reside at 145 Aragon Avenue, Coral Gables , Florida 33134 , and I am the applicant in re. the above captioned subdivision. 2 . That I submit this affidavit of ownership in support of my application for a major subdivision approval pending before the Southold Town Planning Board. 3 . That I am the sole owner of the 46 . 9 acres which are the 'subject matter of my subdivision application and said property is held in my individual name and not in a corporate name . " THE CHAIRMAN: Usually we ask, in individual ownership cases, that the applicant swear that he is not an employee of the Township of Southold, County of Suffolk or State of New York. GARY OLSEN, ESQ. : To my knowledge, that is true. THE CHAIRMAN: Does anyone wish to be heard in opposition to this subdivision called Oregon View Estates? t 40 db Southold Town Planning Board -10- September 18 , 1973 (There was no response. ) THE CHAIRMAN: Does anyone wish to be heard in favor of this subdivision? GARY OLSEN, ESQ. : I wish to speak in behalf of Oregon View Estates. As the Board is aware I have been before the Board on a number of occasions with regard to this matter, and believe we have now complied with your requests . We have all the necessary approvals in the file, and I would ask that the Board permit 'me to authorize the surveyor to go ahead and submit it to this Board for final signature. MR. FRANK COYLE: On Lot 23 there is a statement of possible turn-around. We should note that the County Planning Commission has indicated to us that they would not approve more than one connection. MR. OLSEN: I will have no access to Route 27 . If we send the final map this way do you feel they would send it back so they don' t have two accesses on County Road 27 . MR. COYLE: Perhaps you could run the road straight across to Depot Lane. THE CHAIRMAN: We can, and might, overrule the County on this particular one. MR. OLSEN: Do you want me to hold off? THE CHAIRMAN: We will get in touch with the County. It takes them about six weeks to get back to us . MR. OLSEN: If it takes too long maybe we will put in a turnaround. MR. HENRY RAYNOR: Will it make a difference to your clients? MR. OLSEN: It will make a lot of traffic coming in and out of one exit. Let me know what you want me to do. THE CHAIRMAN: They have to approve the highway connection. Even if we overrule, they could say that they don't want you to hook up to that highway. Where it says "future road" that should be tied down better than that. . . for possible dedication to the Town, or at least "reserved for future road" . THE CHAIRMAN: I will now declare the hearing closed. Southold Town Planning Board -11- September 18 , 1973 THE CHAIRMAN: I will call the hearing to order for the property known as Sleepy Hollow, owned by Leo Kwasneski, situated at Southold. Mr. Henry Raynor read the legal notice of hearing, as follows 4 . Plat of property owned by Leo Kwasneski, entitled' "Sleepy Hollow" , consisting of -a parcel of land situated at Southold, in the Town of Southold, Suffolk County, New York, and bounded and described as follows : BEGINNING at the southerly terminus of the westerly line of Willow Pond Lane; from said point of beginning running across . the southerly end of said .Willow Pond Lane; South 74° 57 ' 30" East, 50. 01 feet to land of Hartge- running thence along said land of Hartge, South 131 51 ' 10" West, 200 . 0 feet; thence along said land of Hartge, and along land of Milford, and along land of Edward Downs Dart,South 761 . 08 ' 50" East, 500. 0 feet; thence along land of Edward Downs Dart, North 210 18 ' 00 East, 263.27 •feet to land of Howell; thence along said land of Howell the following 9 courses : (1) South 640 10 ' 40" East-; 40 . 0 feet; - thence (2) South 540 Ol' 50" East, 116 . 59 feet; thence (3) South . 390 02 ' 50" East, 324. 38 feet; thence (4) South 381 08 ' 10" East, 115':.17 feet; thence (5) South 51' 18 ' 10" East, 110 . 0 feet; thence (6) North, 760 38 ' 20" East, 97 .93 feet; thence (7) South 500 30 ' 30" ,East, 213 . 36 feet; thence (8) South 240 21 ' 50" East, 73. 50 feet; thence (9) North 660 41 ' 30" East, 56 feet, more or less, to. ordinary high water mark of Goose Creek; thence southeasterly and then southerly and then southwesterly and then westerly along said high water mark, 750 feet, more or less, to Glenn Road; .thence northwesterly along said Glenn Road and along Lot 21, as shown on "Map- of West Creek Estates" filed in the Suffolk County Clerk' s office as Map No. 3848 , North 26' 17 ' 40" West, 415 feet, more or less; thence along said Lot 27 , Lots 28 and 29 , and land now or formerly of Wilsberg, North 710 42 ' 20" West, . 767 . 97 feet; running thence southerly along said land now or formerly of Wilsberg and along Lot 32 as shown on said map, 300 feet, more or less, to the northerly terminus of the easterly line of Grissom Lane as measured by a tie line, South 21 49 ' 40" East, 293 .44 feet; thence westerly across the northerly end of said Grissom Lane and along Lots 33 , 34 , 35 and 36 , as shown on said map, North 750 . 09 ' 30" West, 404 . 81 feet; running thence along other land of Alfred E. Dart and Alice J. Dart, his wife, North 131 51' 10" East, 787 . 36 feet to the point or place of BEGINNING. - Containing 17 . 5 acres , more or less. Southold Town Board of Appeals -12- September 18, 1973 Mr. Raynor also read the proofs of publication as published in the Suffolk Weekly Times and the Long Island Traveler -Mattituck Watchman. THE CHAIRMAN: I have a comment. I believe Milford and Dart are interchanged on the map. The Chairman read the following letters : Letter from Mr. Robert A. Villa, Department of Health, dated August 20 , 1973', as follows: "We have checked our files regarding test hole data and test well results-for , the above referenced preliminary map. Our review indicates that Health Department standards can be met for all lots within this tract, and the map will be processed for approval just as soon as a complete sub- mission is forwarded to this office. " Letter from Mr. Raymond. C. Dean, Superintendent of Highways , dated August 20, 1973 , as follows : "I have inspected the map and approve the lay-out of the proposed road (s) at SLEEPY HOLLOW, Southold, New York. A preliminary Profile was not included with the Prelimin- ary Subdivision Plan. " Letter from Albert W. Richmond, Town Clerk dated September 10, 1973, as follows : "Transmitted herewith is Application for Approval of Plat - "Sleepy Hollow" , copies of the maps, together with check covering filing fee in the amount of $140. 00 . " Letter of Disclosure: "Leo Kwasneski, being duly sworn deposes and states : 1. That I reside at North Parish Drive, Southold, New York, and I am the applicant in re. the subdivision known as "Sleepy Hollow" at Southold., N. Y. 2 . That I submit this affidavit of ownership in support of any application for a major subdivision approval pending before the Southold Town Planning , Board. 3 . That I will be the ,sole owner of the 17 1/2 acres which are the subject matter of my subdivision application and said premises are presently owned by Alfred E. Dart and Alice J. Dart of Main Bay View Road, Southold, New York. I am under a Contract of Sale to purchase the subject premises" . (Signed by Leo Kwasneski and notarized on the 18th day of September, '1973. ) GARY OLSEN, ESQ. : Mr. Kwasneski is not related to anyone on the Planning Board or the County Board. Southold Town Planning Board. =13- September 18 , 1973 THE CHAIRMAN: The hearing is now open for public .discussion. Is there anyone present who wishes to speak in opposition to this subdivision? MR. DONALD FREDERICK: I own Lot No. 35 which is adjacent. When we bought we bought knowing that we had private roads, and that you come out the same way you come in; and according to the map, these roads connect. Will they remain private roads? THE CHAIRMAN: The Planning Board is responsible for providing for traffic not only for the present but also for the future. We can not compel a developer to provide through access or to block it off. We assume that they will provide access but there have been cases where they did not. MR. FREDERICK: Grissom Lane has never been opened up; it ' s growing trees . At the end of Glen Road I see the map overlaps and it appears it will tie in directly together. I am against it as far as having through traffic there. I think the layout is fine. We pay Wilsberg an amount every year for upkeep of the roads and he has kept them up. He states in the restrictions that he holds the privilege of turning it over to us at some future time as an Association. He owns the total and we pay $25 on each lot. He has done a good job of main- taining the roads, keeping them in satisfactory condition. Some of us bought for exactly the reason that it was not a race track. Glen Roa&.cJoes to the water and there is a turnaround at the end. MR. FRANK COYLE: What you don't like is the proposed road. Mkt. FREDERICK: I don' t like it being opened up. I think provision should be made so that Leo ' s roads don' t come through. I think it' s a very good layout but the only question I am raising is whether these roads are lined up. Is there any reason it has to be opened up so we will be forced out of the privacy we bought. . THE CHAIRMAN: Our experience has been in a vast majority of cases that there comes a time when the lot owners or home owners become impatient with snow removal and say to the Town Board"'we pay highway taxes and we want the Highway Department to maintain our roads" . The Planning Board has been insistent that you conform to Town Highway specifications so that in the event that the homeowners do want the Town to maintain the highway., the Town Board can and will, if they so. choose, accept it. Southold Town Planning Board. -13- September 18 , 1973 THE CHAIRMAN: The hearing is now open for public discussion. Is there anyone present who wishes to speak in opposition to this subdivision? MR. DONALD FREDERICK: I own Lot No. 35 which is adjacent. When we bought. we bought knowing that we had private roads, and that you come out the same way you come in; and according to the map, these roads connect. Will they remain private roads? THE CHAIRMAN: The Planning Board is responsible for providing for traffic not only for the present but also for the future. We can not compel a developer to provide through access or to block it off. 'We assume that they will provide access but there have been cases where they did not. MR. FREDERICK: Grissom Lane has never been opened up; it' s growing trees . At the end of Glen Road I see the map overlaps and it appears it will tie in directly together. I am against it as far as having through traffic there. I think the layout is fine. We pay Wilsberg an amount every year for upkeep of the roads and he has kept them up. He states in the restrictions that he holds the privilege of turning it over to us at some future time as an Association. He owns the total and we pay $25 on each lot. He has done a good job of main- taining the roads, keeping them in satisfactory condition. Some of us bought for exactly the reason that it was not a race track. Glen Road�4oes to the water and there is a turnaround at the end. MR. FRANK COYLE: What you don't like is the proposed road. MR. FREDERICK: I don' t like it being opened up. I think provision should be made so that Leo ' s roads don' t come through. I think it' s a very good layout but the only question I am raising is whether these roads are lined up. Is there any reason it has to be opened up so we will be forced out of the privacy we bought. THE CHAIRMAN: Our experience has been in a vast majority of cases that there comes a time when the lot owners or home owners become impatient with snow removal and say to the Town Board"'we pay highway taxes and we want the Highway Department to maintain our roads" . The Planning Board has been insistent that you conform to Town Highway specifications so that in the event that.-the homeowners do want the Town. to maintain the highway, the Town, Board can and will, if they so ' choose, accept it. Southold Town Planning Board -14- September 18 , 1973 MR. FREDERICK: I agree. I think it is very well done but it appears- that Glen Road will become part of the other road. THE CHAIRMAN: Supposing. we take this under considera- tion with the Superintendent of Highways. What might happen is that the owners on Grissom Lane or Glen Road can, or might, put a ,fence across . , MR. FREDERICK: , Grissom Lane is not passable now. THE CHAIRMAN: We -will discuss this with thec-Super- intendent of Highways. MR, FREDERICK: I am not objecting, just bringing up a point. We , like our one way traffic. THE CHAIRMAN: This proposed road would still have 20 feet of access to park and playground, and that would have 200 feet of creek frontage.. Lot No. 14 would have more than adequate highway frontage. MR. FREDERICK: There should not be any problem unless it was necessary to provide room to turn around in there. THE CHAIRMAN: At this time, I will ask if there is anyone present who wishes to speak in favor of this application? GARY OLSEN, ESQ. : As the Board is aware, we have appeared many times before the Board. Mr. Kwasneski has appeared by himself to answer questions about roads. Mr:- Frederick's fear is that Glen Road will become a public road. We can only control the total and work with what we have. The road was laid out this way because in the event that sometime in the future the owner on Glen Road, Wilsberg, might come to the Town and say "we want you to make it a Town road" . It might be that as, Mr. Kwasneski sells the lots he will discover that the owners also want to keep the roads private. We can , only control the bed of the road that we own. This will not affect whether or not Glen Road goes public or stays private. It was done with that view. If both should go public it would make sense. We have a letter approving the test holes; also a letter from the Superintendent of Highways . I am glad to hear that Mr. Frederick feels the general layout is a good one. I would like to have approval to get a final map prepared so we can submit it for signature. MR. HENRY RAYNOR: Are you prepared to come up with a name for your road? r f Southold Town Planning Board -15- September 18, 1973 Mr. Olsen and Mr. Kwasneski discussed a name for the road but did not make a final decision. MR. HENRY MOISA: Don't you think it would be advisable if a little , land for a turnaround was made at the park and playground? THE CHAIRMAN: I think we should discuss this with the Town Superintendent of Highways . Mr. Kwasneski, do you intend to have primary access through Willow Pond Lane. Is that now a Town highway? MR: KWASNESKI : Yes. (Mr. Fredericks discussed the map with the Board. Referring to the map, he said "this is wooded; this is farmland. Grissom Lane has never been cleared out. Lot No. 33 has just been sold to Cliff Saunders of Mattituck. None of the lots have been built on) . MR.. COYLE : Is Glen Road a dirt road? MR. FREDERICK: It' s a tarred road. THE CHAIRMAN: I will now declare the hearing closed. Rudolph Bruer, -Esq. came before the Board in regard to minor subdivision "The Terrace" owned by Lucille Mosback, East Marion, New York. Mr. Wickham stated that minor sub- divisions are planned to alleviate hardships but when a man has four houses on the property and wants to create three more lots, I think we should stay with what the rules and regulations say "having frontage on Town highway" . We are getting more and more requests to resubdivide large lots all over town and/ obviously, if we want to maintain the character of the Town, we . have to say "no" in cases where it seems to be a chance to make money quickly. Mr.- Raynor asked what the arrows on the map indicate. Lefferts P. Edson, Esq. , who also attended the meeting, said that Mr. Van- Tuyl included the square footage in the lot. Mr. Raynor said "you are excluding three lots that have bungalows on them" . Mr. Edson said that this is our problem and we just wanted to present it to you. Mr: Wickham said that he has plenty of property but not enough frontage. The Ordinance calls for 150 foot frontage, you only have 122 feet. Mr. Raynor said that Lot No. 4 has a problem. Southold Town Planning Board -16- September 18 , 1973 Rudolph Bruer, Esq. , and Mr. and Mrs. John Pontino came before the Board in regard to subdivision of John Pontino, "East Hill , Section I" . Mr. Bruer said it' s on existing roads and we do have water approval. Mr. Raynor asked why the park and playground are located as shown. Mr. Bruer answered that it has the most access. Mrs . Pontino said it will serve both Sections I and II as it' s right in the middle. Referring to the map, Mr. Raynor said they could pick up extra square footage by "flopping it over this way" . Mrs. Pontino said there will be plenty of road frontage. Mr. Raynor said there would be more square footage on the first three lots. Mrs. Pontino said this is the only way we can do it. Mr. Bruer said he would like to ask for a preliminary hearing. Mr. Wickham asked if the Board was satisfied. Mr. Moisa said that the numbers on Section II should be 8 , 9 , 10 etc. rather than starting with 1, 2 , 3 , etc. as shown on Section I . Mr. and Mrs. Pontino agreed. Mr. Bruer said that they thought the Board would like to see the whole plan. Mr. Wickham said that we are going to insist on a stamp on the final map, particularly on Section II , that no lot in the subdivision can be resubdivided. . . an engineer ' s stamp. Many of these are oversized lots. No lot lines may be altered. Sooner or later someone is going to say "-this is basically two lots and I want to subdivide it" . Mr. Wickham said he would entertain a motion to have the preliminary hearing at the next meeting of the Board. On motion of Mr. Moisa, seconded by Mr. Raynor, it was RESOLVED that the Planning Board will hold a hearing for preliminary approval of John Pontino Subdivision, "East Hill Section I" , on October 4 , 1973 , at the Town Office, Main Road, Southold, New York, at 7 : 30 P.M. Vote of the Board: Ayes :- Messrs : Raynor, Coyle. Moisa, Wickham. Mr. Rudolph Bruer was present to represent the Crescent Beach Motel. Mr. Wickham said that some of the Board had looked the property over, and they would like to postpone a decision. Mr. Bruer said that the last time he had been before the Board on this matter Mr. Raynor had said something about the Board requiring elevations , exact distances between buildings . Before I go to the surveyor, I would like to get all your requirements . Mr. Wickham said it would be helpful to the Board if the map showed distances and contours instead of just being a sketch. Southold Town Planning Board -17- September 18 , 1973 Rudolph Bruer, Esq. came before the Planning Board with regard to Pebble Beach Realty Subdivision and requested a preliminary hearing. Considering the time lapse, a hearing is in order. Mr. Wickham said I know you had a discussion with Mr. Charles Barnett; this is in his field. He could make recommendations as to how the growth along the bluffs should be handled. Mr. Lefferts P. Edson was also present, and said he thought they had had some discussion with the Board before . Mr. Bruer said that there is nothing new. Mr. Wickham said that . the Board would move as quickly as possible. I will entertain a motion that Pebble Beach be posted for aipreliminary hearing at our next meeting. On a motion by Mr. Moisa, seconded by Mr. Raynor, it was RESOLVED - that the Planning Board will hold a hearing for preliminary approval of Pebble Beach Realty Subdivision on October 4 , 1973, at the Town. Office, Main Road, Southold, New York, at 7 : 45 P.M. Vote of the Board: Ayes :- Messrs : Moisa, Raynor, Coyle, Wickham. Mr. Ray D 'Augusta came before the Planning Board in regard to minor subdivision of Clifford Manning. Mr. D'Augusta said that he couldn't obtain 20 feet unless the Board approves it because he has already subdivided to a maximum. My lot is 105 ' x 105 ' . Mr. Raynor asked if there was a pond that doesn' t show on the map. Mr. D 'Augusta said that Soundview Avenue is very hilly and the water drains into it. Mr. Coyle asked if water is there now and Mr. D'Augusta said "yes" , it dires out in the winter time. The Board discussed the map and Mr. Wickham said there is no question but what he can sell you 20 feet. Mr. D 'Augusta showed the Board the 20 foot strip Mr. Manning had in mind to sell him. Mr. D'Augusta said he would like to get an additional 20 feet. Mr. Wickham said that the map would have to be redrawn in that case. Mr: Moisa asked if Mr. Kaplan were taking the same amount as Mr. D 'Augusta. Mr. D'Augusta said "yes" . Mr. Wickham said if Mr. Kaplan wanted another 20 foot strip it would be alright. If he doesn 't. there is no reason you could not come up with another 20 feet. There is more than enough frontage. Mr. Raynor said that 50 feet could be gotten out of there with no problem. Mr. D 'Augusta said that Bob Kaplan will purchase the other piece along with me. Mr. Wickham said that the Board would have no objection but he would have to redraw his map. He can sell a strip off his j Southold Town Planning Board -18- September 18, 1973 property to adjoining property, owners without coming to the Board but in view of the fact that he has presented this as a minor subdivision and now wants to amend it, it is proper that he should present it to this Board and we will send a letter to Mr. Manning. Mr. D'Augusta asked if he could go ahead and tell Mr. Manning that it would be approved.' Mr. Wickham entertained a motion to write letter of approval to Mr. Manning. On .motion' of Mr. Coyle, seconded by Mr. Moisa, it. was RESOLVED that the Planning Board write letter to Mr. Clifford Manning with regard to minor subdivision, stating that it is permissible to subdivide the lot for a minor subdivision subject to formal application and fee; and that the Board finds that there is ample frontage to transfer 40 feet (or more) of property to Mr. D 'Augusta. Vote of the Board: , Ayes :- Messrs : Coyle, Raynor, Moisa, Wickham. Mr. Michael Weinstein submitted a map of minor subdivision, Bayview at Southold, to the Board. Mr. Weinstein said that he is buying the property from Mr,. Harris. Mr. Raynor asked if this is part of another larger parcel. Mr. - Weinstein said that it has been owned for 10 years. There was a discussion as to the exact location of the property. It was found that Jacobs Lane is on the east and Cedar Avenue on .the west. Mr. Wickham suggested that if Mr. Weinstein sold this to someone else and that person died and left it to two sons, they might come in and claim a hardship. How about a green belt? Mr. Weinstein said he did not have any objection to that. I would like to keep the lots as big as possible. Mr: Wickham said 60, 000 sq. ft. would be fine. Mr. Weinstein said he would like to keep all the lots in the neighborhood of 60, 000 to 65, 000 sq. ft. Mr. Wickham said if you want to- apply for use easement contract under negative easement it might be' very smart to do it. Mr. Weinstein said the ,first , lot is the nicest one as it has a little bit of height and a little bit of -woods. Mr. Weinstein asked if he could go ahead with his test holes and go for a final map. Mr. Wickham said to go ahead and come back to see us, you should not have any problem. 1 Southold Town Planning Board -19- September 18, 1973 The Board received a letter from Mr. Howard Terry, Building Inspector, with a plot plan of the former A & P store in Mattituck attached, for their comment and review. The planning Board felt that this matter did not come within its jurisdiction and instructed the Secretary to write a letter to Mr. T erry informing him of their decision. An Amendment was affixed to the proposed budget for the fiscal year beginning January 1, 1974 , as follows : Amendment to Annual Estimate Submitted by the Planning Board, Town of Southold. Recommend Secretary' s Salary Total $5 ,500 minimum, for fiscal year beginning January 1, 1974 . DATED: September 21, 1973 Respectfully submitted, John Wickham, Chairman On motion by Mr. Wickham, seconded by Mr. Coyle, it was RESOLVED that the Planning Board, having by Resolution approved the amended application of Edward Gillis requesting a change of zone from "A" Residential and Agricultural District to "B-l" General Business Zone on September 4 , 1973 , shall send to the Suffolk County Planning Commission and to the Southold Town Board, the following recommendation: "It is the opinion of the Planning Board that this proposed change of zone be approved because it is in compliance with the Town Development Plan. " Vote of the Board: Ayes: - Messrs: Wickham, Coyle, Moisa, Raynor. On motion of Mr. Raynor, seconded by M r. Moisa, it was RESOLVED that the Southold Town Planning Board grant preliminary approval to Elijah' s Lane Estates, Section I , situated at Mattituck, in the Town of Southold, Suffolk County, New York. Vote of the Board: Ayes :- Messrs : Moisa, Coyle, Wickham, Raynor. r J h J � Southold Town Planning Board -20- September 18 , 1973 On motion of Mr. Raynor, seconded by Mr. Coyle, it was RESOLVED that the Southold Town Planning Board grant preliminary approval to Syloret Estates, owned by Lorraine Hochman, consisting of a parcel of land situated at Cutchogue, in the Town of Southold, Suffolk County, New York. Vote of the Board: Ayes :- Wickham, Coyle, Moisa, Raynor. On motion of Mr. Coyle, seconded by Mr. Moisa, it was RESOLVED that the Southold Town Planning Board grant preliminary approval to Oregon View Estates consisting of a parcel of land situated at Cutchogue, in the Town of Southold, Suffolk County, New York, subject to the following conditions : That a discussion be held with the County Planning Commission on the possibility of having a road parallel to Depot Lane to service other subdivisions in this area. That other small connecting roads running to the east be shown on the map and reserved. Vote of the Board: Ayes :- Messrs : Wickham, Raynor, Moisa, Coyle. On motion of Mr. Raynor, seconded by Mr. Wickham, it was RESOLVED that the Southold Town Planning Board grant preliminary approval to Sleepy Hollow, owned by Leo Kwasneski, situated at Southold, Town of Southold, County of Suffolk, New York, subject to the following conditions : That the proposed roadway be named. That the problems with Glen Road be worked out with the Town Superintendent and the Town Highway Committee. Vote of the Board: Ayes :- Moisa, Coyle, Raynor, Wickham. 1 Southold Town Planning Board -21- September 18 , 1973 On motion by Mr. Wickham, seconded by Mr. Raynor, it was RESOLVED that bond estimate for Crown Land Lane be accepted by the Planning Board; submitted by L. Tuthill , P.E. Vote of the Board: Ayes :- Messrs : Coyle, Moisa, Raynor, Wickham. The Planning Board accepted estimate for bond submitted by Lawrence Tuthill, P.E. , and will review it at a later date. The Chairman read letter received from Lawrence Tuthill, P .E. , dated September 10 , 1973 , as follows: "I would like to propose and recommend the use of a black top surface on the roads of the Subdivision "Crown Land Lane" , Cutchogue, as a pilot project for possible use on future roads of subdivisions . " The Board accepted Bond Estimate for Fairway Farms prepared by Lawrence Tuthill, P.E. , dated September 18 , 1973 , and held it for future review. The Board had a discussion with Supervisor Martocchia regarding Harbor Homes, Wells Road. The Town had received a bill for cleaning the drainage area. Mr. Wickham said the primary problem is when silt gets into catch basins. Fairway Farms is suggesting that there will be a Bond for cleaning drainage area after the homes are built. Mr. Martocchia said that the roads at Harbor Homes are broken up, in very bad condition. There was a further discussion as to where the responsibility lies with regard to Harbor Homes . Mr. Ed Bage said that Inland Homes has not honored their agreement with us to create a burn to keep water from the lots on the highway. Letter from Mr. Richard Lark of Wickham & Lark dated September 7 , 1973, regarding Petition for Change of Zone from "A" to "B" Light Bruce Norris property, Mattituck, New York. Application for major subdivision entitled "Morro Weta" - Property of Bruce Norris, Mattituck, N.Y. Southold Town Planning Board -22- September 18 , 1973 Letter received from Nassau Farms Association protesting application of Arthur Bujnowski, and referring to Board of Appeals legal notice. Letter noted and Secretary to refer it to Board of Appeals . On motion by Mr. Wickham, seconded by Mr. Coyle, it was RESOLVED that the Southold Town Planning Board approve bills received from the Long Island Traveler- Mattituck Watchman in the amount of $80.13 , and the Suffolk Weekly Times in the amount of $24 . 14 , as submitted. Vote of Board: Ayes :-Messrs : Moisa,Raynor,Coyle,Wickham. Letter from Raymond C. Dean, Superintendent of Highways, dated September 13 , 1973 , regarding Greenfields at Southold preliminary map dated June 27 , 1973, as follows : "I have inspected the preliminary map on Greenfields at Southold and find that drainage has not been provided and therefore must disapprove. I did not receive a profile and would also request this at this time. " There was a further discussion of Crown Land Lane roads with Mr. Tuthill. Mr. Wickham said that he and Larry had discussed this . This is a small subdivision. There might be a better way to handle drainage and we would like to try it. The cost might be a little bit more to the developer. Mr. Lawrence said he had also discussed this with Mr. Dean. Mr. Ed Bage said he would write the Asphalt Institute first and get their recommendations . The only objection I would see if that maintenance afterward has a higher cost. The nearest place to get asphalt is Riverhead. On motion by Mr. Wickham, seconded by Mr. Raynor , it was RESOLVED that recommendation of Lawrence Tuthill, P.E. , regarding use of a black top surface on the roads of Subdivision "Crown Land Lane" , Cutchogue, as a pilot project for possible use on future roads of subdivisions , be accepted subject to approval of the Superintendent of Highways and the Highway Committee, and upon receipt of specifications of the Asphalt Institute. Vote of Board: Ayes:-Messrs:Wickham, Coyle, Raynor, Moisa. Southold Town Planning Board -23- September 18 , 1973 On motion of Mr. Raynor, seconded by Mr. Moisa, it was RESOLVED that the Chairman be authorized to write a . letter of approval regarding Cleaves Point, Section III , that Cleaves Point, Section III , be included in Article XVII , Section 1702 , of the Building Zone Ordinance, which is the list of approved subdivisions. Vote of the Board: Ayes :- Messrs : Wickham, Coyle, Raynor, Moisa. The meeting was adjournedat 10 : 30 P.M. Respectfully submitted, G� Marjorie McDermott, Secretary Southold Town Planning Board hn Wickham, Chairman