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HomeMy WebLinkAboutPB-02/08/1973 Southold 'Town Planning Board T g p • � S❑UTHOLD, L. I., N. Y. 11971 PLANNING BOARD MEMBERS John Wickham, Chairman Henry Molsa Alfred Grebe Henry Raynor Frank Coyle M I N U T E S SOUTHOLD TOWN PLANNING BOARD February 8 , 1973 A regular meeting -of the Southold Town Planning Board was held at 7 :30 p.m. , Thursday, February 8 , 1973 , at the Town Office, Main Road, Southold, New York. There were present: Messrs. John Wickham, Chairman; Henry Moisa, Vice Chairman; Henry Raynor; Frank Coyle. Absent: Alfred Grebe. Allso present: Howard Terry, Building Inspector, RobertlA. Villa, P.E. , Suffolk County Department of Health. The Planning Board discussed the subdivision known as "Deep Hole Creek-Estates" . On motion of Mr. Raynor, seconded by Mr. Moisa, it was. Southold Town Planning Board - 2 - February 8 , 1973 RESOLVED that because the roads in Deep Hole Creek Estates subdivision are not passable access , the Planning Board requests that the Building Inspector withhold all buildingspermits in said subdivision until such time as the Planning Board receives a determination from TownmCdunsela1nceun-tl r - - - ;dete minat �onTihhigabeen_, made on those lots not on Town. - _ _ _ Highways . Vote of the Board: Ayes : Messrs . Raynor, Moisa, Coyle, Wickham. I I The Board held lenghty discussions on the proposed amendments to the Southold Town Zoning Ordinance and Subdivision Regulations. Some changes . were made in the proposed amendments and they will be presented to. the Town Board on February 13 , 1973 . The following resolutions were passed: On motion of Mr. Coyle, seconded by Mr. Moisa, it was RESOLVED, that based on Comprehensive Public Water Supply Study, Vol. II.; Suffolk County, New York, CPWS-24. by Holzmacher, McLendon & Murrell, Consulting Engineers, - page 295 , states , in part, that 1.2 acres is required to dilute nitrates in Suffolk County and also the, fact that until this time package sewer plants have failed to control the nitrates as well as individual cesspools, the Southold Town, Planning Board recommends to the Southold Town Board eliminating the "B" category of the "A" Resident District under the Bulk and Parking Schedule of the Southold Town Zoning Ordinance and require all lots to be 40 ,000 square feet. It is also recommended that a new zoning district be created for parcels of from two to five acres, to be at the request of the developer. Vote of the Board: Ayes : Messrs . Coyle, Moisa, Wickham Raynor. RESOLVED that the Southold Town Planning Board requests, the Southold Town Board to move immediately to amend the Southold Town Zoning Ordinance to provide for cluster zoning as per recommendation of Proposed Zoning Regulations, Town of Southold by Raymond & May Associates, Section 5 .6 , page 49. In implementing this , the Planning Board requests that (1) the Planning Southold Town Planning Board - 3 - -. February 8 ,.1973 Board be specifically given the right to vary (reduce) lot widths at the building line by no more than 50% and side yard clearances by no more than 50% . Setbacks are to remain the same; (2) under no curcumstances will- multiple residences be permitted in the "A" Residence District; (3) an instrument be recorded with the Suffolk County Clerk guaranteeing the open area will remain open and in private, taxpaying .ownership; and (4) there must be a Property Owners Association, as stated in Raymond & May report. Vote of the Board: Ayes : Messrs. Coyle , Moisa, Wickham, Raynor. On motion of Mr. Wickham, seconded by Mr. Raynor, it was RESOLVED that the maximum number of single-family lots that may be approved in a major subdivision shall be- computed by subtracting from the total gross. area a fixed percentage of 20% of said area and dividing the remaining 80% of the area by the following minimum requirements : 40 ,000 square feet in an "A" District. Vote of the Board: Ayes : Messrs. Wickham, Raynor, Moisa, Coyle . On motion of Mr. Raynor, seconded by Mr. Coyle, it was RESOLVED that the Southold Town Planning Board will present the lists of proposed amendments to the Southold Town Zoning Ordinance and Subdivision Regulations to the Southold Town Board. Vote of the Board: Ayes : Messrs. Raynor, Coyle., Wickham, Moisa. Mr. Villa said the Suffolk County Health Department is looking at the east end in the area of critical water supply with the thought of changing their standards with the , availability of water. Their well standards normally require 40 feet of water. In some areas you can,'t get 40 feet. The standards would be changed so, for .example, if you can only get 30 feet of water you need a 60,000 square foot lot.- Mr. Wickham said the Planning Board would be all in favor of that Southold Town Planning Board - 4 - February 8 , 1973 Mr. Michael Weinstein came before the Board with a map of a proposed minor subdivision off Platt Road, Orient. There are 9 .1456 acres and he proposes four lots. All lots are shown fronting on Platt Road with approximately 145 ' width and 670 ' depth. Mr. Raynor told Mr. Weinstein that the Planning Board uses a ratio of no more than three to one for depth of lots . Mr. Moisa told him that he may be asked to sign a legal instrument stating that the property will not be resubdivided. Mr. Weinstein said he would be willing to put covenants and restrictions on the property. Mr. Wickham told him the Planning Board will require, in addition to that, an instrument that will be in recordable form stating the restrictions are in the deed. Mr. Raynor asked about the topography of the property and Mr. Weinstein said it was flat and open. Mr. Moisa also told him that in the past the Planning Board has not looked too favorably on anything with such depth as this. Mr. Raynor asked why his engineer recommended this lot layout. Mr. Weinstein said if it was simply a right of way, rectangular lots would be no problem. They were trying to avoid the road expense. Mr: Wickham advised Mr. Weinstein that the Town Board has told the Planning Board they have been giving too many minor subdivisions and this is probably an evasion of the major subdivision rules and regulations . Mr. Weinstein asked if the Board would suggest the four lots with a right of way coming down the middle. Mr. Wickham said the. Board will hold the matter up and look at it some time before the next meeting. The Board will probably require some cross roads . Mr. Raynor told Mr . Weinstein that in order for the Planning Boai-d to make some type of judgment they have to figure out where to put roads. He , asked if the name on the map was the owner of record and Mr. Weinstein said Milton Mehlman has the property under contract. Mr. Wickham told Mr. Weinstein the Board will check with its engineer and advise him after the next meeting. Mr. Richard Principi et al, of C.P.F. Land Corp. , appeared before the Board in regard to Blue Horizons subdivision at Peconic. Mr. Wickham read the following letter to C.P .F. Land Corporation dated March 22 , 1972 : Southold Town Planning Board - 5 - February 8 , 1973 Dear Siv : Please be advised that the following resolution was passed by the Southold Town Planning Board at their regular meeting on March 21 , 1972 : "IT WAS RESOLVED that the Southold Town Planning Board grant tentative approval to the revised preliminary map of the proposed subdivision "Blue Horizons" as shown on map by Otto Van Tuyl, date February 28 , 1972 , property located at NIS Middle Road (CR 27) , Peconic, New York, owned and developed by C.P .F. Land Corporation. " Your next step is to have test holes and test wells done on the property and then submit the map to the Health Department for their approval . If you wish to make an application for a waivering of any of the requirements , this application must be forwarded to the Southold Town Board. Very sincerely, John Wickham, Chairman Southold Town Planning Board Mr. Wickham asked if they had a copy of the report on the test holes and Mr. Principi said no. Mr. Wickham said there is a letter in the file from the Superintendent of Highways dated March 23 , 1972 , approving the layout of the roads . Mr. Raynor said they would have to check with the County about the intersections being at right angles . Mr. Coyle asked if there are already dwelling units on the property. Mr. Principi said there were but they were doing away with them. Mr. Raynor informed them they must submit a statement of disclosure of all the principals involved in C.P.F. Land Corp. Mr. Wickham said he was not sure about the cross road layout. There are 56 acres and 49 lots . The Board will send the map to the County Planning Commission for their comments before they go any further. They may want to change the intersection. Southold Town Planning Board - 6 - February 8 , 1973 There is a Master Plan for an east-west highway somewhere near this property. Preliminary approval is just to say you have something filed with the Planning Board. Sooner or later we will require 5% to be park and playground. Sometimes we allow drainage area to be part of it. Mr. Moisa said the Town Highway Committee will look at it also. Mr . Terry said the connection to the County road has been approved and installed. Mr. Wickham told them they have to get approvals from the Suffolk County Departments of Health and Environmental Control . When we settle on the cross roads then we will have our engineer figure out what the cost of the improvements are going to be and you will have to put up a bond. If it meets the approval of the Planning Board we can then set a time for a hearing. You don 't have to have the bond at the time of the hearing, but after the hearing you have to have the bond in the hands of the Town Board and they have to notify us before it can be sent up for filing. We will need more copies of the map. Joseph and Edwina Hatier appeared before the Board in reference to property off Platt Road, Orient, consisting of 8 .17 acres. They want to sell off one parcel of approximately two acres and build their house on the other parcel. Mr. Wickham told them the Planning Board will not allow them to keep selling off lots . They must have a layout of the property and give a statement that the property will never be re-subdivided. Mr. Raynor said it will have to be a perpetual deed restriction. Mr. Wickham suggested they divided the property up into three or four lots and if they had to dispose of the property they could. Mr. Hatier said they would discuss it and come back at the next meeting 6f the Board. Rudolph Bruer, Esq. , came before the Board in reference to minor subdivision for Ki:mon Retzos at East Marion. He presented a copy of the deed for the property. Mr. Raynor asked if he discussed with his client the 30 foot right of way. Mr. Bruer said he did not feel it would be a serious detriment to the property as it was. Mr. Wickham said he thought Southold Town Planning Board - 7d - February 8 , 1973 he should add another 6 feet to the right of way. Mr: Bruer said he has to get the water tested. Mr. Villa said if they can get the data they can use the existing well . Mr. Bruer also asked for the Board ' s opinion on the proposed minor subdivision for Hahn at Peconic. Mr : Wickham said he did not approve of it. If he brought in a subdivision showing two lots then he would be in line with what some people are doing. We may say that this piece of property does not lend itself to subdivision. Our regulation says no more than three times the width. If you divide it in half you have roughly four to five times the width. Mr. Wickham said he should tell his client the property does not have 135 feet on the first lot. Bob Krupski appeared before the Board representing Pontinos and presented a sketch of a proposed subdivision at Peconie. 19 lots were shown on the sketch. There is an existing house on lot #10 . Mr. Raynor asked if Mr. Pontino owned any adjacent property. Mr. Krupski said no, but they own the homestead and approximately 12 acres. Mr. Wickham told Mr. Krupski that the Planning Board is recommending to the Town Board and they will take action on Tuesday that we take 80% of the total acreage and say we will allow that many lots . The rest is for park and playground, highways , etc. Also there is a recommendation for raising the percentage for park and playground from 2% to 5% . Mr. Krupski said they would prefer to make a cash payment in lieu of the park and playground. Mr. Krupski also asked about putting in the drainage , curbs and gutters . Mr. Wickham said the Soil and Water Conservation District t is recommending a swail area with sand backfilled down to sand and gravel and we are looking at this in another subdivision and think we will probably recommend this to the Town Board. It may not be any cheaper than curbs and gutters . You have to put in a substantial area for drainage. Mr. Coyle told him they have to preserve the water on the property. Mr. Raynor also said that any subdivision can be made to drain within 200 feet on the highway. Mr. Krupski said they put a Southold Town Planning Board - 8 - February 8 ,< 1973 in the two roads in order to keep the lots smaller, as large lots are not easily marketable. The lots should market at $9 , 000 a lot. Mr. Wickham said the Planning Board .will want a statement that no lot in the subdivision is less than 40, 000 square feet. Mr. Krupski said he would do that. Mr. Jack Levin, Sound Shore Resort Motel, appeared before. the board with plans for an addition on the east ,side of existing pool and asked for suggestions on site plan approval: Mr. Levin said he owned property on both side of Feeney' s house . There would be about, 15 feet between the' pool and the addition. There will be units in the . addition. Mr. Wickham asked if the parcel was purchased separately and the date purchased. Mr. Levin said it was purchased separately about 7 to 8 years ago. Mr.; Wickham said the Zoning Ordinance says you can't have more than so many units per acre and we have to establish the size of the parcel. Mr. Villa said it will have to be resubmitted to the Health Department for approval. Mr. Wickham said the Planning Board will require a .complete. site plan including circulation of traffic. We think there is a little bit of a traffic hazard on the present property. Mr. Levin said he would get the Health Department approval and complete site plans . Joseph ,Snellenberg appeared before the Board with a proposed minor subdivision for John B. Pearson of 4 lots on 13 .144 acres . Mr. Wickham said the Planning Board has talked to the Town Board about amending the Zoning Ordinance to provide for a new district, to be at the ,request of the subdivider for low density lots. Mr: Snellenberg said the road comes in from South Harbor Road to the Snellenberg property. There is another roads which runs down through the woods. Mr. Wickham said the Planning Board will want to look at the property. Southold Town Planning Board 9 - February 8 , 1973 Mr. Villa suggested increasing the frontage on 40, 000 square foot lots . He ,also said. the Health Department may put in their own drainage requirements where all,. water must be contained on the property. He discussed the suggestions of the Soil and Water Conservation District for drainage with the Board. Mr. Wickham said the Board would like)4Mrs- Villa ' s office to check on the drainage for Mattituck Shopping Center. Mr. Villa also gave the Board a copy of a letter he sent to Mr. DeMaria in reply to his letter of January 31 , 1973 . On motion of Mr. Coyle, seconded by Mr. Raynor it was RESOLVED that the Planning Board authorize Lawrence Tuthill to prepare bond estimates for the following: Inlet East Subdivision, Donald Dennis; Majors Pond Subdivision, Douglas Latham;and for the following, after necessary maps have been submitted: Penny & Luce; Oregon Hills, Tommassini; Blue Horizons, C.P.F. Land Corp. (after submission to County Planning Commission . Vote of the Board: Ayes : Messrs . Coyle, Raynor, Moisa, Wickham. The Board discussed Orient By The Sea Subdivision and the. Secretary read a letter from Mr. Mahony dated February '2 , 1973 , with revised Section III enclosed. This revised Section III shows Uhl Lane with a cul de sac and had an additional three lots . Mr. Wickham instructed the Secretary to contact the . Superintendent of Highways for his approval. On motion of Mr. Coyle, seconded by Mr. Moisa, it was RESOLVED that upon receipt of a letter of approval from the Supt. of -Highways of Uhl Lane as shown with a cul de sac, the Chairman .and Building Inspector J Southold ,Town .Planning Board, - /9 - February 8 , 1973 are authorized to present the map of Orient-By-The-Sea Section III to the Town Board. Vote of the Board: Ayes : Messrs . Coyle, Moisa, Raynor, Wickham. Mr. Frank Knispel appeared before the Board in regard to a change of zone on property of Anna Hansen for a marina. Mr . Raynor told him he should get an architects rendering of what he plans to do. Mr . Wickham said generally the Planning Board feels it will be an asset to the community and the development of waterfront is very important. Mr. Wickham also said his problem is the change of zone. Mr. Raynor said he discussed his proposal with some of the adjacent property owners . They wanted to know about the proposed change of the road and what was proposed for plantings . Mr. Knispel said when Mr. Bishop did the road layout he took out the sharp turns and he will have to put the road in further in order to put in plantings . He - said he wants to put up old houses for a Mattituck Seaport. Mr: Coyle asked if he had any plans for year-round homes . Mr. Knispel said he did not. He said he was not interested in doing this for the smaller boats . He wants it for large boats , but on the east side of the Harbor there would be ties and storage for smaller boats . Mr. Wickham said the Planning Board recommends that :the property be preserved in a natural state. On motion of Mr. Raynor, seconded by Mr. Coyle, it was RESOLVED that the following letter be sent to the Southold Town Conservation Advisory Council: "The Southold Town Planning Board respectfully suggests that the Conservation Advisory Council -;7a ,, i-e ;�-.Jie t�7P�la.nds of he . Southold .Town Planning Board - it - February 8 , 1973 evaluate the wetlands of the Town of Southold as catalogued in the "Marine Wetlands of Nassau & Suffolk Counties---New York, 1972." , in view of the fact that the New York State Department of Environmental Conservation is moving to. acquire some of the wetlands in the Town and it would seem advisable that those most in need of being preserved should be included. Very sincerely, John Wickham, Chairman South6ld Town Planning Board cc: Supervisor Albert M. Martocchia Board of Southold Town Trustees Vote of the Board: Ayes : Messrs . Raynor, Coyle . Wickham, Moisa. On motion of Mr. Raynor, seconded by Mr. Moisa, it was RESOLVED that the minutes of the Planning Board meetings of December 6 , 1972 , January 11, 1973 and January 13 , 1973 , be approved. Vote of the Board: Ayes : Messrs . Raynor, Moisa, Wickham, Coyle. The Secretary reported that all necessary letters have been received as required by the Planning Board for release of the bond for Laurel Country Ests . On motion of Mr. Raynor, seconded by Mr. Moisa, it was RESOLVED that the Southold Town Planning Board recommend to the Southold Town Board release of the bond for Laurel Country Estates Subdivision. Vote of the Board: Ayes : Messrs . Raynor, Moisa, Wickham, Coyle. Southold Town Planning Board - 1'b - February 8 , 1973 On motion of Mr. Wickham, seconded by Mr . Raynor, it was RESOLVED that the next regular meeting of the Planning Board be held on March 6 , 1973 , at 7 : 30 p.m. in the Town Office, Main Road, Southold, New York. Vote of the Board: Ayes : Messrs , Wickham, Raynor, Coyle, Moisa. The meeting was adjourned at 12 : 00. Respectfully submitted, Terri Lee Elak, Secretary Southold Town Planning Board John Wickham, Chairman