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SOUTHOLD TOWN BOARD
AUGUST 251 1981
WORK SESSION
9 : 00 A .M. - The Town Board met with Chief Dan Winters and reviewed
his Julv 1981 Police Department Report . Also discussed :
Illegal farm stands - Building Inspector George Fisher will
prepare for distribution by .the Police Department the section of
the Zoning Ordinance pertaining to farm stands.
Dog incident between Southold Town and Riverhead Town.
Possible traffic signal at intersection of Main Road and
Bay Avenue, Mattituck - Chief Winters said the State Traffic
Division will conduct a survey.
Traffic signal at intersection of Main 'Road and Boiss'eau
Avenue, Southold - Councilman Nickles requested a survey. of that
intersection.
9: 35 A.M. - James McMahon, Youth Services, met with the Town Board
to discuss the Community Services Program which is working out very
week for the youths :in the program as well as the Town, and the
County is, very pleased with this Town program. Mr. McMahon gave
the Board a copy of a letter he' is sending to .the local school
districts concerning a program of working within the school system
in the early identification and assistance to troubled youth and
their parents. Vandalism at the Senior/Youth Center was discussed
and Mr. McMahon said adequate .supervision is the answer and plans
to correct the problems have been implemented. Mr. McMahon asked
permission to move his office from the lunchroom area of the west
wing of the Town Hall to the Councilman room in the basement of
the east wing. Permission was granted.
10: 00 A.M. - The Board began reviewing' the agenda.
11 : 00 A.M. - The Board met with Town Engineer Lawrence Tuthill. to
discuss the Flood Insurance Rate Maps.
EXECUTIVE SESSION
11 : 10 A. M. - Discussion with Charles Graves concerning CSEA and
PBA negotiations. .
11 : 30 A. M. - Discussion with Lawrence Tuthill concerning Goldsmith
Inlet Jetty Report .
12 : 15 P.M. - Recess for lunch.
1: 45 P.M. - Reconvened work session and continued reviewing agenda.
2 : 25 P .M. - Meeting with Thomas Madden, President of the Suffolk
County Restaurant Association, Mike Esposito and Chester Hans who
wished the Town Board to reconsider the stand they have taken
concerning a proposal to close the bars at 2 : 00 A.M, rather than
the p-resent 4: 00 A .M. closing. They cited economic losses; the
people would go to Queens to do business; Suffolk and Nassau
Police Commissioners opposition to the ,change. Councilman Murdock
said the Association should give consideration to amending the
licensing law. Closing the bars at 2 : 00 A.M. would not stop people
from getting all the beer they want at a 7-1.1 Store, or delicatessens
that are open after normal business hours. --Supervisor Pell stated
the Town Board meets again in two weeks and in the meantime they
will reconsider their decision.
3: 50 P.M. - Meeting with Don Sioss of Holzmacher, McLendon and
Murrell concerning the New Suffolk Avenue project costs .
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T'eFKUla�f' 46etih of the :Sniiihnl d Tc=x� R'n� was held on Tues' day;
August 25 , 1981 at the Southold Town Hall, Main Road, Southold,
New York. Supervisor Pell opened the meeting at 3: 00 P.M. with
the Pledge of Allegiance to the Flag.
Present : ' Supervisor William R. Pell, III
Councilman Henry W. Drum
Councilman John J., Nickles
Councilman Lawrence Murdock, Jr.
Councilman Francis J. Murphy
Town Clerk Judith T. Terry
Town Attorney Robert W. Tasker
On motion of Councilman Nickles, seconded -by Councilman. Drum, it was. .
RESOLVED that the minutes' of the Town Board meetings of August 4, 1981
and August 12, 1981 be and hereby are approved.
Vote of the Town Board : Ayes : Councilman Murphy, Councilman
Murdock, Councilman Nickles, Councilman Drum, Supervisor Pell .
This resolution was declared duly adopted.
On motion of Councilman Murdock, seconded by Councilman Drum, it was
RESOLVED that the next regular meeting of the Southold Town Board
will be held at 7: 30 P.M. , Tuesday, September 8, 1981 at the Southold
Town Hall, Main Road,; Southold, New York.
Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilman Murphy, Councilman,
Murdock, Councilman Nickles, Councilman Drum, Supervisor Pell .
This resolution was declared duly adopted.
I . REPORTS - SUPERVISOR PELL:
These reports are on file in the Town Clerk' s Office. Anybody
wishing to review them can do so at that office .
1. Judge Rich monthly report (July 1981) .
2. North Fork Animal League (July 1981) .
3. Long Island Cablevision monthly report as to the qumber of,
complaints they had- and services they render. (July 1981) .
4. Police Department ' s monthly report (July 1981) .
5. Monthly report from the Assessors (July 1981) . Grievance
Day was held during the lastmonth and we had a very light turnout
in the number of grievances that were here in compared. to other
towns and compared to last year.
6. Report from Councilmen. Councilman Murdock.
COUNCILMAN MURDOCK: Thank you, Bill. First I would like to read
a letter that I am sending to each individual legislator of the
Suffolk County Legislature. "I am writing to you in hopes that I
can express an opinion to you about the extreme importance of the
_ project to rebuild the Railroad Dock in Greenport has for the Town
of Southold. Unanimously, the Suffolk County Legislature approved
Resolution No. 1492 in 1981 to appropriate $1, 000, 000. 00 towards
this project , This $1, 000, 000..00, if it were able to be related
to an impact on the more populous western towns would probably
have the effect of a $15, 000, 000. 00 project on the eoconomy. I
believe this project is of the extreme importance to the Village
of Greenport and also to the Town of Southold. I am particularly
. upset with a letter from Legislator Rosso to Legislator Wehrenberg
dated August 13, 1981 saying that the project is effectively killed
on the basis of a communication between an attorney, Stanley Corwin,
and Legislator Rosso discussing the Railroad project . This letter
was written on -the Village of Greenport stationery, . , I contacted
the Mayor to a-sk him .if this were an official position of the Village
of Greenport . He informed me by telephone that at a Village Board
meeting on the evening of August 24, 1981, a resolution was passed
to. write a letter to each of the legislators reaffirming the
importance of the dock'to the commercial interests of the Village
of Greenport . I hope that the receipt of that letter from the
Village of Greenport will clarify any misunderstanding about the
interest of the project and I ask you to exercise the same diligence
of thought that you applied to your vote on Resolution 1492 and
continuously support this project because of its extreme importance
to the North Fork. Sincerely yours, -_'," I ' ve been contacted by
people in Greenport and in looking into reaffirming my support of
that project I ran into this letter from Legislator Rosso to
Legislator Wehrenberg and it was dated August 13th and he says,--
apparently he must be hoping to kill this project because he says
effectively it is killed. I would hope that does not become a
fact . The million dollar project is very important to the Village .
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of Greenport . It will' do a lo't'' f'or"'t`fi'e' economy of the Town of
Southold in general and certainly the Village of Greenport in
particular.
SUPERVISOR PELL: Anything else, Larry? ''
COUNCILMAN MURDOCK: Yes. Last Wednesday--you will have to forgive
me I am a little vague today, I had a death in the family and I
haven ' t got my notes together. Last Wednesday the Town Attorney and
I went to a conference dri Syracuse on mun'icipal' solid waste. . It was
a very comprehensive conference on all of the companies who are
currently in the field burning municipal solid waste and hopefully
generating electricity for the purpose of cutting down the cost of
burning municipal solid waste. It was very informa.tive 'session.
Both the Town Attorney and I felt very strongly about . At the present
time that ' s all, Bill.
SUPERVISOR PELL: Thank you. Councilman Drum.
COUNCILMAN DRUM: My favorite topic - town dredging - I would say
the county engineer said that they would put the small dredge in
Hall' s Creek and East Creek or as we know it officially as Mud Creek_
in Cutchogue and Little Creek at present , and this will complete all
of the projects that we had requested from -the county. I know they
have done a good -job and we have gotten more than our.-share.
I will say this, also in the' eme'rgericy preparedness I have looked
into our area, Southold Town, and discussed it with the police chief
and police headquarters and I feel we have a need in the basement for
a very minor emergency center. When I say minor , it would require
very little additional expense,, such as a large map of our township,
tables chairs , telephone extension. There has been one additional
item which is not a small item, which I think we- should consider in
our budget next year and that is a =new generator. I believe all the
members on the Town Board recall. our former police chief has requested
for several years that we obtain a new generator. The one we have I
think is about thirty or forty years old and a secondhand surplus at
that particular time, we received from the Army or whatever. This
would provide us with power in case we ' do have an emergency such as
happened in Laurel and this was about three weeks ago that we. had; the
tornado that went through Jamesport and hit this home in Laurel , the
Herroros home. At that particular time I was well aware that our
Super-visor was out of town; our Deputy could not be reached and .
unfortunately the Supervisor ' s Office did not notify any member of
our Town Board. One of the Councilmen heard it on the radio and
called me as the Deputy Emergency Officer and I immediately called
Police Headquarters and they had sent someone up there . I called
the Supervisor' s Office and they had seen fit to notify me and had
not not-ified anyone I guess. But I think this is an area ,that. we
have got to look at to make sure we have a--as we used toIcall it
in military--chain of command, where someone is notified to go down.
The Chief of Police had taken care of it , had a guard there. We
went ahead and kept a policeman there through most of the night to
insure that there was no vandalism. They were very fortunate that
Mr . Herroros is a member of the Air National Guard and they did go
over and the Air National Guard gave them all the help they needed.
We offered them help from the Highway Department and they did not
need any help from the Highway Department at that particular time.
But I think we must look towards the future . ' Not to spend a great
deal of money in an emergency center----our police headquarters as
such is emergency center completely equipped, but should tornados or .
hurricane forces---I do feel that we should look and spend a little
money and put it down in the basement in case we do get hit and look
at our chain of command to ensure that all of our people, when our .
Supervisor is gone and our Deputy is gone, to be sure that we are
covered.
SUPERVISOR PELL: This would also include a bad fire.
COUNCILMAN DRUM: Anything.
SUPERVISOR PELL: Anything else? (Nothing. )
We have public hearings to- be held at 3 : 30 this afternoon. We
will move to the agenda at this time and then come back to . where we
leave off . Public Hearings , Item No. IV. We need a recess at this
time for the amount of time that it takes to conduct the. scheduled
public hearings.
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On motion of Councilman Nickles, seconded by Councilman Murdock, . it was
RESOLVED that a recess be called at this time 3: 30 P.M. for conduct -
the following public hearings :
3: 30 P. M. , wetland application of Fred Melin
3: 35 P. M. , wetland application of Enconsults, Inc . for Howard
3: 40 P. M. , wetland application of Agnes Pagnozzi Petersen
3: 45 P.M. , wetland application of Suffolk Co. Dept . of Public Works.
Vote of the Town Board:. Ayes : Councilman Murphy, Councilman
Murdock, Councilman Nickles, Councilman Drum, Supervisor Pell.
This resolution was declared duly adopted.
Meeting reconvened at COO P.M.
SUPERVISOR PELL: We left off under Councilmen ' s reports. At this
time we will move on to Councilman Nickles. (No report . ) Councilman
Murphy.
COUNCILMAN MURPHY: Yes, I would like to reply--I 'm sorry I was late
coming in, I had some business with the Park District. As the Deputy
Supervisor I was at the 'scene 'of the tornado and I would like to report
that the Police Department did a fantastic job and the Mattituck Fire
Department did a fantastic job. The friends of Mr. Herroros from the
Air National Guard, Mr . Endres, they' re both members, did a fantastic
job coming over and helping. I went and contacted the lady to see if
there was anything more the Town could do and the results I don' t
think the Town really could have done any more.
On Tuesday night a week from tonight there ' s going to be an
Informational Meeting in the Town Hall here. I think that" it ' s of
great concern and interest to a tremendous amount of people concerning
seed claming. We have gotten press releases out to the papers and
different radio stations for this. Anyone interested in learning
about this and seeing if they would like the Town to participate are
welcome to attend. This man Paul Flaacke the scientist who lives
over in East Hampton will come and make the presentation, explaining
the whole program and tell how we could participate. Basically what
it is is taking tiny clams--four of them you could probably put
on the pinkie, the small nail of your finger--and in the period
of .time from April to October they' ll grow larger than your thumb
nail and this is like two and a half years growth on a clam, plus
it ' s to a size where the fish and the crabs and the natural.. predators
won ' t be bothering it. You get a- survival rate of over 90% and it
really seems a heck of a lot better way to go into try to improve
an industry that is so very important out here. It used to be 'a,- . -
very big industry and that seems to be dying out and this is a
very good potential of really helping it and anyone interested is
welcome to attend. Thank you, Bill.
SUPERVISOR PELL: Thank you. Supervisor ' s report . The. only two
things I would like to comment on is we met with our county executive
this past last week- and he said that the federal aid from the federal
government and the state government--his budget income will be cut by
approximately $50, 000. 00. * Therefore, tell the Towns to be ,prepared
to be cut and therefore I tell the department heads in the Town to
make their pencil. sharp when they make their budget .
The other things is I will be having lunch one day this week
with the chairman of the Assembly Committee on DEC. Marty Lang,
Supervisor of Southampton Town and myself will be having lunch with
him and I hope we get into a discussion--big talk discussion about
the marine life out here and also -we-expect to, discuss landfill
problems with the DEC. That will be an interesting meeting and I
will report back to the Board the next time we meet .
COUNCILMAN MURDOCK: When you said $50, 000. 00 will be cut from the
county budget . Is that $50, 000. 00 or $50, 000, 000. 00?
SUPERVISOR PELL: $50, 000, 000. 00. * When we first heard it, the
supervisors, we said , "What?"�-and the county exec said, "That ' s
right . " His tentative income , is going to be down by total revenues
from the state and federal government by $50, 000, 000. 00 which he has
to make up. He said the supervisors asked him to share the sales
tax with us. He said, "Do you want the sales tax when I have to
face this deficit?" He sort of said no way.
Those are the two things I have to report on. We move on to
Public Notices, Councilman Nickles .
II . PUBLIC NOTICES' - COUNCILMAN NICKLES:
1. From General Services Administration, Region 2 to ' the Town
Clerk. "General Services Administration has prepared an environmental
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assessment and a `find.ing of no ;s ;gri ,cant ;impact for the proposed
transfer of the Plum Island Light Station , VSouthold , Suffolk County, —
New York---to the U. S . Department of Agriculture for an addition to
its Plum Island Animal Research Center. The property consists of
approximately 3 acres , with improvements thereon. Interested parties
may review the assessment by contacting Mr. John P. Byrnes , Director,
Real Property Division , Federal Property Resources Service , General
Services Administration , 26 Federal Plaza, New York, New York. " A
copy of this is on the Town Clerk' s Bulletin Board. We discussed
this earlier in the day. The three acres we are discussing is on
Plum Island and it would be just a transfer basically from one federal
agency to another .
III . COMMUNICATIONS - SUPERVISOR PELL:
1. A letter saying what a fine Police Department we have.
We hear .so many complaints about things that' are wrong. When we
get one that is nice it is really nice to pass it on to the Chief
of Police saying what a fine job him and his staff are doing for
the residents. (From Gertrude & Pat Fiellan, Bayshore Road,
Greenport . )
2 . From Mrs . Kenneth Godfrey talking about the yard sale
permits and the fees that they are charged and everything about
that . Her viewpoints .
3. Something that will be put on the agenda September 8th in
resolution form. Refers to the office of Town Clerk, the records
that they keep, birth and death records that are kept here in Town
Hall. There is a movement to make them kept only in the county which
we oppose. (From Huntington Town Supervisor Kenneth C. Butterfield. )
4. Review of the Flood Insurance Maps. Our Town Engineer Mr .
Tuthill. is working with them and keeping us informed on that . Our
maps have not been released-,yet . — They should be very soon. (From
Federal Emergency ManagementAgency. ) '
5 . I see a group of people in the back of the room who turned
in a letter--petition regards to-,. the train service that is being bus-
rail cut and trains put on. They wrote the Town Board a letter . We
did discuss it today. Basically we are going to try to help you folks
out. I know you turned the petition in to Councilman Murdock. Larry,
who did you distribute that to? (#5 letter from Robert Lehmann.)
COUNCILMAN MURDOCK: John Behan, Senator LaValle. To a man by the
name of Cronin who is Dick Strang' s replacement in the Department of
Transportation in New York and to--I forget his name--for the Long
Island Railroad--Superintendent of Transportation. Those four& Mr. Dixon.
SUPERVISOR PELL: What I will attempt to do and instructed my office
to try to do within the next week is get the members of the MTA
Advisory_<Board--contact them--ask them to come out here and sit� down
in '.my office with myself and if any of you people are here, leave
your name with my secretary on your way out and when they agree to
come out I will give you a telephone call and have you people come in
and we will sit down and see what we can work out with the advisors
of the MTA Board . After. the Board met today at noontime I told her
to try to get ahold of them and see if she could get through to them
before 3: 00 o' clock today but she has not got back to me yet so I
presume she has not got through to them. But as soon as I can get
through to them I will let the Town Board know and you people know
and invite you to come in here and sit down and talk to them and make
them sure they are aware of what the problem is.
6 . A series of meetings being held on SEAR law. The closest
one to us will be October 14th in Farmingdale at Farmingdale School.
Somebody from Town will probably attend it . (Letter from William
K. Sanford, Executive Secretary, Association of Towns of the State
of New York, Robert F. Flacke, Commissioner, NYS Department of
Environmental Conservation, Gordon C. Perry, Executive Director,
NYS Conference of Mayors and Other Municipal Officials, and Edwin L.
Crawford, Executive Director, NYS Association of Counties. )
7. From Pontinos (John, Joseph, ..Martha) .making . the Town.- Board..
aware that there are violations on roadside farm stands and portable
wagons. This will be turned over to the Building Department who
enforces these rules.
8. In reference to Fishers Island trip and letter they sent
to us sometime ago about certain things they would like to have
done there . We are looking into this and I will respond to them.
(Fishers Island School. ) Some of the things they would like to have
done I don ' t think are permissable to do. They might have to have
some bad news coming to them. .
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9 . A letter saying the A'.A .U.W. would like to ruse the Recreation
Hall up there a couple of nights a week for some purpose. (From Dorothy
L. Robertson. )
IV. HEARINGS & DECISIONS
Hearings we went through. We will move on to resolutions.
V. RESOLUTIONS
SUPERVISOR PELL: Resolutions. -The first one is from the Mattituck
Senior Citizen group, a request for bus trip to West Point . .
1. On motion of Councilman Murphy, seconded by Councilman Murdock, it was
RESOLVED that the Senior Citizens Club of Southold Township,' Mattituck
Unit be and hereby is granted permission to bire' 'one bus at a cost
of $495. 00 to transport their group to West Point and the Hudson
Valley Winery.
Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilman Murphy, Councilman
Murdock, Councilman Nickles, Councilman Drum, Supervisor Pell .
This resolution was declared duly adopted.
SUPERVISOR PELL: Number 2, the appointment from September 1 through
November 30th of Marian Goubeaud as apart-time Clerk-Typist.
2 . On motion of Councilman Nickles, seconded by Councilman Murphy, it was
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold ap'p 1nt' Marian
Goubeaud as a part-time Clerk-Typist in the Town Clerk' s Office
effective September 1, 1981 through November 30 , 1981, 30 hours per
week at $4. 50 per hour.
Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilman Murphy, Councilman
Murdock, Councilman Nickles, Councilman Drum, Supervisor Pell.
This resolution was declared duly adopted.
SUPERVISOR PELL: Number 3, approval of a bond for Bayview .Farms,
Orient .
3. On motion of Councilman Murdock', seconded by Councilman Drum, -it was
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold approve the
amount of $140, 000. 00 for a bond for the roads and improvements
in the subdivision known as "Bayview Farms" at Orient , New York,
as recommended by the Southold Town Planning Board and Torn Engineer
Lawrence M. Tuthill .
Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilman Murphy, Councilman
Murdock, :Councilman Nickles, Councilman Drum, Supervisor Pell.
This resolution was declared duly adopted.
4 . On motion of Councilman Murdock, .seconded by Councilman Drum, it was
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold set the fee
charged by the Southold Town Clerk for a Certificate of Marriage
Registration at $5. 00 effective June 1, 1981.
Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilman Murphy, Councilman
Murdock, Councilman Nickles, Councilman Drum, Supervisor Pell.
This resolution was declared duly adopted.
5 . On motion of Councilman Murphy, seconded by Councilman Nickles, it was
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold approve the
application of Florence Steiner for the renewal of her trailer
permit application for trailer ;'located on right-of-way off of' the
southeast side of Main Road, Mattituck, New York, for a six month
period.
Vote of the Town Board : Ayes: Councilman Murphy, Councilman
Murdock, Councilman Nickles, Counc,ilman ,Drum, Supervisor Pell.
This "resolution was declared duly adopted.
6. On motion of Councilman 'Murdock, seconded by Councilman Drum, it was
RESOLVED that Margaret Terry, New Suffolk School, and Lucius Ware,
Principal, Laurel School be and hereby are appointed Attendance
Officers, subject to the written approval of the District Superintendent
of Schools, throughout the Town of Southold except such schools as
are otherwise provided for by Section 3213 of the Education Law, and
be it further
RESOLVED that the compensation for each Attendance Officer be fixed
-at $5. 00 per hour, when working in this capacity, they to pay their
own expenses, and be it further
RESOLVED that the Town Clerk be and she is hereby instructed -to
notify Margaret Terry and Principal Lucius Ware and the District
Superintendent of Schools of the appointments .
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COUNCILMAN MURDOCK: I ' ll offer that resolution but I think the
public should know we got involved in this--there is a state law
that requires us to have Attendance Officers in certain school
districts and we were paying an Attendance Officer an annual salary
of $1, 200. 00 a year and as far as anybody on this Board knows--I 'm
not saying she was never used, but certainly in the four years that
all of us have been involved at no time has she ever been called
upon to act as• an Attendance Officer . So we looked around for other
ways and these two people are both employees of the schools in question
and feel that they are on duty anyway and if they are needed they
will be glad to go out on a per use basis, so hopefully it will save
the Town the $1, 200. 00 ,a year that we were paying for an Attendance
Officer to stand by. I offer that resolution.
Vote of the, Town Board: Ayes : Councilman Murphy, Councilman
Murdock, Councilman Nickles, Councilman Drum, Supervisor Pell.
This resolution was declared duly adopted.
SUPERVISOR PELL: I wrote a letter when I mailed the pay check out
last fall after I called the school and they never heard of her; I
called BOCES and they didn' t know anything about her, so I wrote a
letter to please stop in my office and tell me what you do. She
stopped in and said she had the job for four years and you' re the
first one who ever questioned me. "What do I do? Nothing! I haven' t
been called in four years . " I said, "Who had the job before you?
What did he do?" She said the ' same as she did, just cash his check.
I said ,' "Lady the day of [wine and roses ends when this budget ends . "
So we ended it just today.
7. Moved by Councilman Murphy, seconded by Councilman Nickles,
WHEREAS, a petition was received from William Tsigakos and Peter
Brountzas requesting a chan,ge ,of,: zone on certain property at
Greenport , New York, said petition for a change of zone from "A"
Residential and Agricultural District to "B" Light Business District ,
now, therefore, be it
RESOLVED that the Town Clerk of the Town of Southold be and she
hereby is directed to.transmit this application to the Planning
Board in accordance with Article XV, Section 100-150(B) of the
Code of the Town of Southold.
Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilman Murphy, Councilman
Murdock, Councilman Nickles, Councilman Drum, Supervisor Pell.
This resolution was declared duly adopted.
8 . Moved by Councilman Drum, seconded by Councilman Murdock,
WHEREAS , a petition was received from Anthony J. DeMaula and
Dorothy A. DeMaula requesting a change of zone on certain property
at Mattituck, New York, said petition for a change of zone from
"A" Residential and Agricultural District to "C" Light Industrial
District , now, therefore, be it
RESOLVED that the Town Clerk of the Town of Southold be and she
hereby is directed to transmit this application to the Planning
Board in accordance with Article XV, Section 100-150(b) of the
Code of the Town of Southold.
Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilman Murphy, Councilman
Murdock, Councilman Nickles, Councilman Drum, Supervisor Pell.,
This resolution was declared duly adopted.
SUPERVISOR PELL: Number 9 we crossed off the agenda after we
discussed it today at Board and with our Town Attorney. What we
have instructed to do is we are going to send a letter out to all
insurance agents in Town and ask them for proposals on the Town
insurance. If I can try to explain this , this way if we have
proposals we can select the carrier that we want to use to a degree
and put everybody in semi-quote ' competitive bid form' . If we go
to bid we might have a carrier from Ohio come in here and we feel
we would like to have the flexibility of trying to select a local.
agent in Town and have it go locally. So, we are going to ask for
proposals on this.
10. On motion of Councilman Murdock, seconded by Councilman Drum, it was
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold approves the
application of Frank J. McBride for the renewal of his trailer
permit application for farm worker trailer located on the north side
of Oregon Road, Cutchogue, New York, for a six month period.
Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilman Murphy, Councilman
Murdock, Councilman Nickles, Councilman Drum,. Supervisor Pell .
This resolution was declared duly adopted.
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11. On motion of Councilman Drum, seconded by Councilman Murdock, : it was
RESOLVED that Supervisor William R. Pell, III be and he hereby is
authorized and directed to execute a contract between the County
of Suffolk and the Town of Southold for the Year VII Community
Development Block Grant in the amount of $220, 526 . 00.
Vote of the Town Board: Ayes : Councilman Murphy, Councilman
Murdock, Councilman Nickles, Councilman Drum, Supervisor Pell.
This resolution was declared duly adopted.
SUPERVISOR PELL: That is for $220, 526. 00 to come into this Town.
That one wasn ' t cut . It ' s supposed to be for two years and we get
the same thing next year.
12. On motion of Councilman Murphy, seconded by Councilman Murdock, it was
RESOLVED that consent is hereby given to Raymond C. Dean, Superintenden
of Highways of the Town of Southold to _abandon Seventh Street, extend-
ing from the southerly line of Corwin Street southerly to land of the
Long Island Railroad Co. , said highway has not been traveled or used
as a highway for six and more years prior to the date hereof and is
hereby declared abandoned pursuant to Section 205 of the Highway Law
as a highway and a public right of way. Said abandoned highway is
described as follows , to wit : Beginning at a point on the southerly
line of Corwin Street on the extension southerly of the westerly line
of Seventh Street; running thence along said southerly line of Corwin
Street , South 88 degrees 38 minutes 20 seconds East 50.-26 feet to a
point on the extension southerly of the easterly line of Seventh Street;
thence along the extension southerly of said easterly line of Seventh
Street , South 7 degrees 09 minutes West 63. 03 feet to land of Long
Island Railroad Co. ; thence along said land, South 84 degrees 11
minutes 40 seconds West 51 . 31 feet to the extension southerly of
said westerly line of Seventh Street; thence along said extension ,
North 7 degrees 09 minutes East 69. 46 feet to the point of beginning.
Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilman Murphy, Councilman
Murdock, Councilman Nickles, Councilman Drum, Supervisor Pell.
This resolution was declared duly adopted.
13 . On motion of Councilman Nickles, seconded by Councilman Murphy, it was
RESOLVED that consent is� hereby given to Raymond C. Dean, Super�jjtender �
of Highways of the Town of Southold to abandon Eighth Stroota extend-
ing from the southerly line of Corwin Street southerly to land of." the
Long Island Railroad Co. , said highway has not been traveled or used
as a highway for six and more years prior to the date hereof and is
hereby declared abandoned pursuant to Section 205 of the Highway Law
as a highway and a public right of way. Said abandoned highway is
described as follows, to wit: Beginning at a point on the southerly
line of Corwin Street on the extension southerly of the westerly line
of Eighth Street ; running thence along said southerly line of Corwin
Street , South 88 degrees 38 minutes 20 seconds East 50. 21 feet to a
point on the extension southerly of the easterly line of Eighth Street ;
thence along the extension southerly of said easterly line of Eighth
Street , South 6 degrees 36 minutes 40 seconds West 100. 61 feet to
land of Long Island Railroad Co. ; thence along said land, South 84
degrees 11 minutes 40 seconds West 51 . 20 feet to a point on the
extension southerly of said westerly line of Eighth Street; thence
along said extension , North 6 degrees 36 minutes 40 seconds East
197 . 03 feet to the point of beginning.
Vote of the Town Board: Ayes : Councilman Murphy, Councilman
Murdock, Councilman Nickles, Councilman Drum, Supervisor Pell.
This resolution was declared duly adopted.
14. On motion of Councilman Drum, seconded by Councilman Murdock, it was
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby declares
their- willingness to participate in the Suffolk County Farmland
Preservation Program, Phase II .
Vote of the Town Board: Ayes : Councilman Murphy, Councilman
Murdock, Councilman Nickles, Councilman Drum, Supervisor Pell.
This resolution was declared duly adopted.
15. On motion of Councilman Drum, seconded by Councilman Murphy, it was
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby requests
the Suffolk County Legislature to consider including additional
properties in the Town of Southold in the Phase 'II Farmland
Preservation Plan, whereas the Town of Riverhead is not participating
in the Program.
Vote of the Town Board: Ayes : Councilman Murphy, Councilman
Murdock, Councilman Nickles, Councilman Drum, Supervisor Pell.
This resolution was declared duly adopted.
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16 . On motion of Councilman Murdock, seconded by ,Councilman Murphy, it was
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby nominates
Thomas Shalvev Sr. as Southold Town' s representative on the Suffolk
County Farmland Committee.
Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilman Murphy, Councilman
Murdock, Councilman Nickles, Councilman Drum, Supervisor Pell .
This resolution was declared duly 'adopted.
17. On motion of Councilman Murphy, seconded by Councilman Nickles, it was
RESOLVED that the Southold Town Board declares itself lead' .agency
in regard to the State . Environmental Quality Review Act in the matter
of the application of Agn 's' Pagnozzi for a wetland permit on certain
property located off south side Jockey Creek Drive, on Jockey Creek,
Southold, New York.
Vote of the Town Board: Ayes : Councilman Murphy, Councilman
Murdock, Councilman Nickles, Councilman Drum, Supervisor Pell.
-This resolution was declared duly adopted.
18 . Moved by Councilman Nickles, seconded by Councilman Murdock,
WHEREAS, on or about August 10, 1981, M/V Munnatawket suffered an
engineering casualty when the clutch-reduction gear assembly on
t_ffe_po__rT main engine failed , and
WHEREAS, M/V Munnatawket requires the services of both main engines
for optimum performance and safe navigation of the vessel, and
WHEREAS, Thames Shipyard and Repair Co. of New London, .Connecticut
is available to make timely and expeditious repairs , and
WHEREAS, the Board of Commissioners of the Fishers Island Ferry
District declares that emergency repairs are required for purposes
of suety, now, therefore, be it
RESOLVED that the Town Board of •the Town of Southold approves the'
action of the Board of Commissioners. of the Fishers Island Ferry
District in engaging the services o ` Thames Shipyard and Repair
Co. of New London, Connecticut to make emergency repairs on M/V
Munnatawket .
Vote of the Town Board: Ayes : Councilman Murphy, Councilman
Murdock, Councilman Nickles, Councilman Drum, Supervisor Pell .
This resolution was declared duly adopted .
1-9 . On motion of Councilman Drum-, seconded by Councilman Nickles , it was
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold authorizes the
expenditure of $798 . 08 from General Fund Whole Town, Engineer Fees
A1440. 4 to pay Holzmacher, McLendon and Murrell , P. C. billing for
preparing applications for federal funding of highway improvements
.on Depot and Aldrich Lane under the Federal Rural Secondary Roads
Program.
Vote of the Town Board: Ayes : Councilman Murphy, Councilman
Murdock, , Councilman Nickles, Councilman Drum, Supervisor Pell. .
This resolution was declared duly adopted.
20. On motion of Councilman Murdock; seconded by Councilman Drum, it was
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold authorizes the
refund of $15 . 00 to Gordon Miller for payment of a Yard Sale Permit
erroneously issued to Mr. Miller, a resident of the Incorporated
Village of Greenport .
Vote of the Town Board: - Ayes: Councilman Murphy, Councilman
Murdock, Councilman Nickles, Councilman Drum, Supervisor Pell.
This resolution was declared duly adopted.
SUPERVISOR PELL: That concludes the prepared agenda. At this time
I would like to ask the Councilmen if there is anything I left out
or omitted or they would like to add? Councilman Murdock,
COUNCILMAN MURDOCK: I would like to discuss the Southold' Town Youth
Projection a little. . They had a yard 'sal'e 'as 'a 'fund raiser. They
accepted donations from quite a few people in Town. The proceeds
of the yard sale amounted to $1, 041 . 00. It was what I would consider
to be a unqualified success. It was also a lot of hard work by the
people involved and it ' s been a pleasure for me to see the Southold
Town Youth Projection grow. . Probably the hardest area to .establish
a program is in the area of serving youth. Their ideas change very
quickly. Their attention span changes very quickly. It ' s frustrating
for senior members to put up with the foibles of youth and it is a
very had task and Southold Town Youth Projection has been in existence
now for a little over a year and looks like it ' s a growing and healthy
child and I 'm very happy that they' re -organized to the point where
they can effectively go into fund raising and help themselves and
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I ' m sure that given the same support that we ' ve been giving them and
the 'same eXXort they' re putting, in �, t w,i11 be a, gpod viable
Xor th a Town'. Thank you ,very aauch.
SUPERVISOR PELL: Councilman Drum? (Nothing. ) Councilman Nickles?
(Nothing. ) Councilman Murphy?
COUNCILMAN MURPHY: Yes, there was one thing* We were late this
afternoon and I did want to bring up one more item and I would like ,
even to make it in the form of a resolution concerning the landfill .
I do think I would like to authorize the--a resolution authorizing
the Supervisor to start finding members of an ad-vi'sor ' committee to
help us out to get so we can plan properly so that we could get other j
feelings. We ' re going along very very fast with this engineering
firm. They have a system that I feel is good and it has very good
potential for the Town. The Town water is in a very critical
situation and whatever we could do and 'the faster we could do it
the better we ' d be and I would like to have the resolution offered
so that the Supervisor can start putting people on the committee
and forming a committee to where we could actively help the Town
Board make these decisions. Some of the people would be the
Superintendent of Highways, people that use the dump the most , the
carters, interested scientists, interested people in the community,
environmentalists and that . I would like to offer that resolution.
SUPERVISOR PELL: ' May I add in there, Frank, if you are going to
offer that I cannot appoint. . Tell the people to submit their resumes
to my office. I do not have the power to appoint. This Board
appoints.
COUNCILMAN MURPHY: But I think we should have a committee started
so that you can start getting resumes.
SUPERVISOR PELL: Resumes . I think you can direct you want a committee
set up but have people send resumes in to my office and then I can
distribute.' them to the Board and then the Board will appoint the
committee as a unit .
COUNCILMAN MURPHY: Larry, would you want to say -anything on it
before---- '
COUNCILMAN MURDOCK: Yes , I would, Frank.
ODUNCILMAN MURPHY: Larry and I both serve on the committee together.
COUNCILMAN MURDOCK: If the people in the audience notice, on the
Work Session agenda at 10: 00 A.M. there was a company called the
Lovisa Construction Company. Unfortunately we had two deaths it
the area that impacted our Town Board and last night at a meeting
I was at I got notified that my brother-in-law had died, several
people there suggested that we call Lovisa because we would not
have a quorum of Board members available this morning ,at 10 : 00 A .M.
to properly hear their presentation, that we asked them to postpone
it. Lovisa we' have been working with. . The Disposal Area Committee
at that time consisted of Frank Murphy and John Nickles and myself.
Frank- Murphy was unavailable the day that we had an appointment with
a man by the name of Dick Storrs last December . He has been approx-
imately six months gathering data and making a proposal which is also
along the same general lines as the proposal given to the Town by
Energy Development Corporation. . I don' t know what. they' re going to
suggest as a complete alternative . I know that they feel that there
are other places that we could establish a facility to burn municipal
solid waste and I ' m sorry that we didn ' t get to meet with them today.
Also, as a result of going up to' this conference in Syracuse with the
Town Attorney the one conclusion that the sponsors of the seminar and
the New York State D.E.C. agree on--the field is very very limited
in terms of reliability or length of time. There are only fifteen
years of existing of burning municipal solid waste as opposed to the
old days where we just incinerated and allowed everything to go up
the flue. There are only fifteen years span of history. It was also
the general conclusion, and this happened to be an engineering
firm who put the presentation_'together, that one of the faults of
engineering firms is that they go to-. the guy in Town who' s doing
business now type of syndrome that if you built one you can build
two and if you build two you could build four and it doesn' t
necessarily reflect that the person who built the first one is also
the person who' s best . If "we accept this seminar as a decent read-
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ing of the situation;,.involving„smun,.ic- ,p41.;s.0.2,4,;waste, it appears that
we have a . very narrow scope of 'peopl'e to consult with in the first
place and I really feel that at this point , while I welcome any
kind of Town participation, public participation, we ' ve had our
open meetings, we ' ve had the North Fork , Environmental Council sit
in. At every Board session where we discussed our work with Energy
Development Corporation they are open meetings and interested citizens
are there and allowed to be there. I really feel that going through
the technicalities of appointing a committee, getting them educated
to the point that we '.re at so that they can effectively deal with
the recommendations of both companies would probably delay us six
months to a year. We ' ve working on this thing for a year now and
while I can appreciate having citizen advisory committees, I think
the time to have had one is when we began the discussions rather
than at the point we are probably seventy-five to eighty percent
along the line of having to make a decision which way we' re going
to go and I think it would be unfair to the two engineering firms
who have e )ended quite a lot of money on behalf of Southold Town
to assess our problems and show us ways that they ' re available to
help us. I ' m only one person . At this point I ' m not in favor of
adding a citizens advisory committee . I ' m quite satisfied that
the Town of Southold has acted expediently and expeditiously and
I think if we continue along the way we' re going -we will be in a
position to effectively make a determination. I think anything else
would only delay us six months to a year.
SUPERVISOR PELL: Anybody else wish to comment?
COUNCILMAN MURPHY: Bill, I think it ' s most important .
SUPERVISOR PELL: This was not discussed before 'til just now. I
do think I am in favor of an advisory committee. We had one on
Robins Island, ' it was effective': We� have one working on the Mattituck
Park District--Mattituck Inlet District--I feel it has been effective .
Larry-; you are part of that one.'. I feel perhaps--I know this advisory
committee was brought up in passing more than once . We never acted
upon it. It was always brought up and we never did anything. If
Councilman Murphy feels it ' s time now to have resumes submitted in
to review it-- Yes, you' re right , we meet during the daytime, the
public always is invited at our meeting'. Frank Bear is generally.°
there with us representing the North Fork Environmental Council. I
feel we have perhaps some of the best brains around with people that
work in Brookhaven Lab, are on Plum Island, :there are retired people-
out here. Maybe we were lax in not getting this committee set up
a year ago. Maybe we should have got it set up six months ago, I
don ' t know whether we were lax in not getting it set up but I do feel
that it is time . If we were lax in getting it set up six months ago
it ' s our _fault as a whole Town Board. I do feel now that it is brought
up by Councilman Murphy and I am not objecting to it, in fact if the
motion reads to have resumes submitted for consideration to be
appointed to an advisory committee I will second that motion,
COUNCILMAN MURPHY: Let me just make some comments. I think it is
most important . I don ' t think anybody knows the problems of Southold
Town better than the people ,who live in Southold Town. I would much
prefer to find out for once what our problem really are concerning the
landfill and water . There are. an awfully lot of very knowledgable
people in the Town and I personally would trust them much more than
an engineering firm that really doesn' t really care that much about
Southold Town and this is why I think it is most important to get
started on this and that we get some people sending their resumes
in who are interested, I think it is a very important step before the
Town -Board makes ' a big .decision on what type of engineering firm.
COUNCILMAN MURDOCK: I will only make one comment about engineering
firms who don' t have the concern of Southold Town. Southold Town in
conjunction with the other four east end towns and the New York State
Department of Environmental Conservation enlisted a engineering firm
who provided a study that recommended that we join in a Five Town
Resource Recovery Plant . It was going to cost $78 , 000, 000. 00 . It
was going to cost the Town of Southold $15, 000, 000. 00 in capital
costs just to participate as well as maybe altogether if you figured
interest costs, capital costs , operating costs $3 , 000, 000. 00 a year
to participate in burning municipal solid waste. So far at this
time these two concerns who are uncaring for Southold Town are both
prepared to spend their own four and a half to five million dollars
to build their own plant and put up all of their own money as well
as hire all of their own people to burn municipal solid waste . Their
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interest in the Town of Southold, while to them may be will allow them
to make a profit , at the time they are making a profit they are also
saving us $15, 000, 000. 00 in capital costs and we 're not even sure
yet if we' ll accept it but they are prepared to invest that money
in Southold Town for Southold Town. I think it ' s very unfair of you
to categorize them as uncaring about Southold Town and their people .
Because I haven ' t seen anybody in any of the firms that we ever delt
with that have offered to come up with five cents for Southold Town
and I don ' t want to see either of them categorized as uncaring.
SUPERVISOR PELL: Thank you, Larry. Councilman Nickles.
COUNCILMAN NI.CKLES: One, I would like to say that to some extent
I agree with Mr. Murphy that we' re being rushed along on this and
I don' t know who' s doing the pushing but certainly it is not internal
forces and external forces. A lot of the pressure that has to do with
our waste disposal area does not come from necessarily problems that
exist at this moment . This comes from regulations that have been
passed by New York State Department of Environmental Conservation and
all the rain, so to speak, by their regulations falls equally on New
York State. What they' re trying to do is preclude having problems.
We do not have a problem. Nevertheless, come 1985 everybody is
going to have to be all in the same step. Either having a liner
under our waste disposal area and capping it or going to incineration
as you heard Mr. Murdock talk about . I have no objections to public
input. If I were to criticize this Board for one thing, it seems
that when there ' s a tough decision to be made we run out and create
an advisory committee. I am not , at this point, ready to give 'my
responsibility over for making -decisions or put the burden over on
somebody else . I think that ' s what we were elected for. I think
it' s premature at this time to have an advisory committee. I think
there ' s a proper time for citizens input and perhaps an advisory
committee . Secondly,, I feel that the motion is out of order. This .
Board has a gentleman' s agreement that if you have a resolution it
is submitted to the Supervisor on Friday. That not being the case,
by the general consent of the Board on the day of the meeting it can
then be added to the agenda and. I realize Frank we were rushed today
with funerals and so on and so forth but nevertheless it is still
out of order. If you call the motion I1will abstain.
SUPERVISOR PELL: Judy, call the roll.
TOWN CLERK TERRY: I would like-to know how you are going to word
this motion, Mr. Pell.
SUPERVISOR PELL: The motion is--Frank?
COUNCILMAN MURPHY: Supervisor to solicit resumes I think for the
formation of an advisory .committee concerning the landfill.
TOWN CLERK TERRY: Are you calling for the establishment. of a
committee ?
COUNCILMAN MURPHY: I think that is what we should do first.
TOWN CLERK TERRY: How many members would you have on this committee?
COUNCILMAN MURPHY: I think that would be up to the Town Board to
decide and really who is to go on it . That ' s a Town Board decision.
I agree with John that this is very short notice but I ' m just
interested in trying to get this thing started. It ' s going to be
several months before resumes are in and before something is done
on it and I would like to get moving.
COUNCILMAN DRUM: Are we talking about two members , three members,
ten, twenty? How many?
On motion of Councilman Murphy, seconded by Supervisor Pell, it was
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby establishes
a Landfill Advisory. Committee and Supervisor William R. Pell, III be
and he hereby is authorized and directed to solicit resumes for
member of this committee.
Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilman Murphy, Supervisor Pell .
No: Councilman Murdock. - Abstain: Councilman Nickles, Councilman
Drum.
This resolution was declared lost .
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SUPERVISOR PELL: The`mot ion '`loses` " ;`.We' need -four votes to pass
anything in the Town.
COUNCILMAN MURDOCK: Bill, I' d like to make one other comment to
the people . If I had known Mr. Murphy were going to bring up that
subject, in the meeting room I left my briefcase . I have a brief-
case that is entirely full of nothing but letters, proposals,
engineering designs, brochures from manufacturing concerns and
basically it is manufacturing concerns who make the components
to burn municipal solid waste--of nothing but municipal solid
waste and how to burn it . I think, and I am very sincere about
it, I think if we were to have a citizens advisory committee
they should certainly read every page of every one of these
brochures as has been done and it is a tremendous amount of work
been done over a year and I very honestly feel that whoever you
bring onboard at this time you' re saddling them with a tremendous .
responsibility to catch up.
SUPERVISOR PELL: Thank you. There are three bills being considered
today and I tried to get the results of them but they haven' t been
voted on yet in the' County Legislature. One is for a public water
supply system study for Riverhead Township and Southold Township in
the tune of $105, 000 . 00. The Legislature is supposed to vote on it
today and the last telephone call I had from Greg Blass is that he
does not have the required ten votes to pass it and he -might ask to
table it. They were going to go in debate on it this afternoon and
if he thought he had the ten he would call for the vote. Thesecond
one is to. acquire land on the North Road up here on Youngs Avenue
where the drainage is. A public hearing was held here for the county
to acquire a piece of land. That was up for vote today. The last
thing up for vote that affects _Sout.hold Town today is the money for
additional dredging in Southold Town. I think that one will pass .
He was sure that one would pass.. As Councilman Drum said before ,
Southold has been most fortunate'- this year working with John Guldi
and all our things we have asked to have dredged out this year have
been dredged or will be dredged in the very near future. We are
one of the few towns who can say that . It is a lot of work on your
Town Board' s part , especially Hank and the Department of Public Works.
We are going in for projects that have . to be done, not just saying we
want this done, but be able to justify when we make a request it is
a bonafide legitimate request and we can justify what we are seeking.
So many people cry "wolf" when they don' t need it, but with the
Department of Public Works we have built a rapport and we hope that
this rapport will continue. When we make a .request they listen to
US. We try to have them come out, take them and show them the areas.
The Trustees--hors. Hataier went around with Councilman Drum with these
folks a year ago. When did you go around, last December, .,January?
Several times to show them. This why we need it dredged and' they agreed
and we have been fortunate.
At this time I would like to ask the audience here if there is
anything you would like to address the Board?
MRS . DOROTHY ARMBRUST: I am from the Mattituck Senior Citizens and
I don' t know whether I am out of place or not, but I would like to
know have you done anything on the heating system in the building
because after all it is almost September and we were frozen out of
there last year and we had to make other plans of having our meetings
elsewhere and I am .just wondering if anything when you plan on starting.
You have set $50, 000. 00 towards a new plant and I was wondering when
that would be started.
SUPERVISOR PELL: We have been working on that one. At the last
Board meeting I made a report to the Board on it . Councilman
Nickles, fill me in--help me out on that one.
COUNCILMAN NICKLES : Not the last Board meeting at Fishers Island,
but the last Board meeting in the Town Hall here we had a report
from an engineering outfit, Pan .Tech I believe it is, who came in
with an energy audit report which we had ordered back earlier in
the summer and they .had indicated to us, based on their survey,
that due to lack of insulation in various areas and air leaks, we
were losing more BTU' s per hour than our furnaces could put out .
They claim our furnaces are perfectly adequate for handling the
area of that building but the trouble is the furnace puts out
200, 000 BTU' s per hour--these are not the exact figures--the heat
loss is , 300, 000. So we ' re running a deficit every hour . This
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consequently makes the building cold, this runsrour utility bill
up. I think there is one area where there are steel supports going
up the walls that weren' t properly insulated--they go right up into
the ceiling area, the cold air • of the ceiling drops down these
boxed-in areas , and of course it hits the floor and you young ladies
on the feet and makes you cold. If we do this work and the estimate
is somewhere around $12, 000. 00, we can recapture our capital invest-
ment , according to the engineer, at least 500 the first year just
on heating costs alone. He did not take into consideration what
we recapture on the air conditioning process in the summertime
because we don' t have that whole history for them to examine yet ,
because as you know the Senior Citizens/Youth Activities only
started operation in maybe late August or early September last year .
I think that ' s where the Town Board is going with this heating
problem up there. I don' t know that we have given a final resolve
to supplementary heaters.
COUNCILMAN MURPHY: By mid-fall . The plans and specs are being
drawn up right now.
SUPERVISOR PELL: LILCO came out and examined the heaters that we
have there and LILCO said last winter when we had the problem that
the heaters are adequate. Then we had this engineering firm come
in and as John says tell us where we ' re losing our heat . They also
said the heat pumps are adequate, more so than we need to do the
job, but the heat loss as John .says is terrific. We have to correct
the heat loss, and this is what we are going to do-. It will cost
us be-tween nine and twelve thousand dollars and that is bung drawn
up now and should be done early fall.
COUNCILMAN MURDOCK: While we are on that subject, as you heard we
didn' t have time today to go into a general discussion. 1 have been
in contact with a ceiling fan company and planned to talk to the
Town Board today relative to installing eight fans in the ceiling
with 52 inch blades.. They have ' a reverse pitch on them wh1.01h in
the wintertime will give the effect--as you know heat rises'--these
blades will take that heat and 1 orce it back down to the floor. It
will redistribute the heat and it also will help with the a'ir
conditioning in the summer in .redistribpting th.e colder a, V . We
have not had a chance to discuss-at..the .Town .Board .but.-it. �vaa one,
of the recommendations I 'was going 'to make to the Board and when-
ever we get together again I -will make it to them but we have not
had a chance to sit down today and discuss it.
MRS. ARMBRUST: These alone will never do it .
COUNCILMAN MURDOCK: Oh, no, they won ' t only do '.it , but they will
help to distribute some of the heat that we have instead of it
being warm two feet above your head, if we can push it down to
at least get to your earlobes it will help .
MR. ROBERT LEHMANN: I live on Yennecott Drive in Southold and I
want to thank the Board for .the opportunity given to me. today in
regard to the discontinuance of bus service. I had a fully prepared
statement but in lieu, of Supervisor Pell' s remarks about his efforts
to obtain a hearing with the railroad that I ' ll forgo that and keep
the remarks brief .
SUPERVISOR PELL: Let me make something short . It ' s the advisory
members of MTA. Board. I met one of them already in Riverhead the
other day.
MR. LEHMANN: The one thing that we' ve come up against is in all of
our efforts to make contact with the railroad, the railroad has really
given us a smoke screen. The railroad has attempted to discredit our
petitions. It was stated in ithe papers that they know who is riding
the railroad and who ' s not riding. They said they've taken surveys
for nine months. I 've ridden it for two years and in two years time
they' ve taken one 'single 'written survey. Mr. Murdock. has had a copy
of our petitions and I 'm sure that the Board can see from that petition
that the names that are signed on there do infact come from the North
Fork, not as the railroad states not come from the North Fork.
SUPERVISOR PELL: The Town Board has never received -the petitions.
MR. LEHMANN: I requested Mr. Murdock to---
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COUNCILMAN MURDOCK :.:I have the petitions„cop,ied but today we just
never got a. chance to get into'.our 'discusson session..
MR. LEHMANN: Because that petition will show that the names signed
there were signed by residents of the North Fork. The names that
were signed were signed in fact on the bus itself by people who were
riding the bus. The railroad has stated that the reason that they
put this into effect was- that a group of people in Ridge ,' I believe
it was Ronald Fields in Ridge, got together a. petition with some
300 names and they requested improved service for the Brookhaven
area. I think it ' s a commendable effort that the railroad attempted
to do something for them, but they completely di.sregarded the North
Fork. We can ' t get to the city on time. If you are going on the
Island itself, you don 't meet with cross island bus connections.
The trains that go westbound in the morning stop at stops that are
not stops return. The railroad has attempted to claim that that ' s
not so. Along with my statement I ' ll give you copies of the schedules
that show that in fact it is so. In fact it affects myself . The
only bus connection that I can get would be from Bethpage to the
South Shore and coming ,back at night the train doesn 't stop at Bethpage,
and the schedule shows it. In my statement I' have seven basic questions
that I ask that the Board seek answers to, or at least get us the
opportunity to seek those answers of someone at a public hearing.
I urge that you attempt to convene that hearing next week because
September 4th is very very close. There are some people--myself,
yes, I can get back in my car and I can drive to Massapequa if I .
have to . There are people that are riding that bus today that are
riding it on a regular daily basis that don ' t have that opportunity.
People that will lose their jobs if we don't have that public trans-
portation. I again want to say thank you.
SUPERVISOR PELL: Can I ask you a ,question? Would it be better if
we could get it some evening for 'you' people to come out to?
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MR. LEHMANN: Very definitely. We had hoped that todays meeting
was going to be an evening meeting. We could have gotten the entire
group of regular riders out. As it turns out we' ve got about half
of us regular riders that ride every single day.
SUPERVISOR PELL: Before you! all go -home stop in and give Chris
your name and telephone numbers. She ' ll call you because it will
be on the spur of the moment thing. I can contact the Board members
and she could contact you. Thank you.
MR. JOHN SISINO: I live in Indian Neck in Peconic and I ' m also a
regular bus rider on the Road and Rail and I would just like to
elaborate something that appears in Mr. Lehmann' s statement to the
Board and is in reference to statements made by .Long Island Railroad
that this'extension of rail service to the North Fork was :'in response
to a 300 name petition made by people - from the Ridge area. The last
two days I ' ve ridden the train into the Central Islip area and on
Monday the train stopped at the Yaphank station which I would imagine
. would be the station that would service the people from the Ridge area.
No one boarded the train in Yaphank and this morning I rode the train
in to Central Islip also and the train didn' t even stop in Yaphank
because there wasn ' t anybody in Yaphank. I ' d just like to, along
with what Mr. Lehmann says in his statement , I' d like to elaborate
on that myself .
COUNCILMAN MURPHY: What stops does it make?
MR. LEHMANN: The 6: 01 train or it ' s actually two trains. The train
starts in Greenport and makes stops in Southold, Cutchogue, .Mattituck,
Jamesport , Riverhead and then the next stop is to be Yaphank. That
was the station that was to service the 11300 names submitted" . A
total of 23 stops from Greenport to Penn Station. I ' d just like to
point out that this they claim is an improvement to the rail services
on the North Fork.
MR. GENE McELROY: I 'm from Southold. There are several things. We
were in contact with the railroad this morning and talked to one of
their representatives, Alexandra Zettin. They haven' t done their
homework because when Bob' s train makes the run in, when itocomes
back it doesn ' t stop. She also said that the present train is re-
placing the rail and bus service; the train gets in at 9: 01 and
the former service arrived at New York City at 9: 34. There is no
such arrival time. The arrival time is 8 : 16 based on the present
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schedule. Another thing that floored me was that I ' ve been riding
this bus for ten . years. She also talked to someone this morning--
that there is a bus running from Greenport to Babylon at the present
time. I don' t know where . she ' s getting this information. I don' t
know of any bus that goes from Greenport to Babylon except the Long
Island Railroad. bus which they will discontinue. She . also confirmed
the fact of their survey that they have been surveying the bus. She
said that their survey showed that there are, thirteen riders' on this
bus throughout the day, I think they are averaging it out . Bob and
Clem here and John have spoken to the person that ' s doing the survey
form them and they' re averaging people who are using the bus per day.
She also stated that this survey was being conducted by members of
the Long Island Railroad, their personnel . Further checking=-it is
being done by an outside consulting firm. These are the things they
are going to present to you. That 's why we would like to be there.
It ' s amazing, mind boggling the things that they say. It ' s un-
believable. And even on cost, how can they justify the cost?
SUPERVISOR PELL: You and I have spoken' and Bob and I spoke.
MR. McELROY: And you can see some of the statements made in the
Suffolk Times where they don' t react to petitions. When they took _
this train they reacted to a petition from Ridge . Thank you.
COUNCILMAN MURDOCK: The bus they ,are referring to, Bob, is the one
that Bob Brown runs mostly in conjunction with the weekend people---
MR. McELROY: I ' m' sorry, that ' s not it .
COUNCILMAN MURDOCK: That ' s not the one he' s referring to?
MR. McELROY: From Greenport to Babylon.
COUNCILMAN MURDOCK: -I did contact Bob Brown to ask him for some way
he could institute a service to go from Greenport to Babylon when
September `4th ends and he said he' s interested ' in talking to people
about it. But he will need much more ridership than is 4Vai.lable.
MR. McELROY: Also, I also called another time and spoke ,to—and
they give you the runaround -a Mr. Brian' Malone. I asked a simple
question that the train is fine, but what time do most people start
work and the answer was, "I don ' t know" .
COUNCILMAN MURDOCK: The other thing again is they are referring to
taking a bus off--they said it is an economy move . They will be
able to move much better and if they can find out--one of .the things
that upsets me is where somebody in another governmental Qrganization
will tell me that in the basis of economy they' re -taking ®he bus with
one driver and replacing that with two engines and five pm.ployees and
that is much more economical than one bus driver. Franke I get upset
when people think that I 'm that dumb that I can' t do enough mathematics
that if I pay five people instead of one person it ' s got to cost me
money. But they come out with this rationalization and say this is
our opinion, this is what we say and you must accept it . We can ' t _
change their opinion but that doesn' t mean we have to accept it .
MR. LEHMANN: On the cost . Mr.. Murdock said that they talked of
cost. I can ' t dispute the railroad' s cost figures but Don Malone,
spokesman for -the railroad did make the claim in one of the local
papers that their fare receipts from this are $195, 000. 00 per year.
Now, _I was not mathematic major but it does not take heavy mathematics
to sit down and figure out the 87 buses that they have in a week and
the twenty-five riders that the outside consultant says he' s getting
an average of twenty-five to thirty and multiply that by the 87 by
52 weeks in the year and by the $5 .00 one-way fare and you come out
with $526, 000. 00, not $195, 000. 00 and I say if they are understating
their fares, then are they overstating their costs and I also--the
county at this point in time is taking up the issue of the station
maintenance and as I was brought to understand this morning, the bill
for that station maintenance to Suffolk County is $5, 720, 000. 00 and
I say that we deserve some service on the North .Fork . for that . Thank
you.
SUPERVISOR PELL: Mr . Frank Bear. .
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MR. FRANK BEAR: I just would like to comment on some of the comments
that were made on this proposed citizens advisory committee. One,
Councilman Nickles said it ' s up to the Town Board to make the decision
and there is no disputing that . The advisory committee is just that
as we have been told many times on the Mattituck Inlet Advisory
Committee that we ' re advisors and not decision makers and that was
the case with the Robins Island Advisory Committee, so .the advantage
of course of an advisory committee is that you get more input and are
given an opportunity to make your decisions based on more information
and more input. I ' d like also to point out that as it has been
mentioned there has been some citizen participation in regard to the
matter of the solid waste disposal proposed plant . I was able one
time to go to a demonstration because we were riding in Councilman
Murphy' s car, it wasn' t a Town car and as a non-Town employee or
advisory committee member I ' m not allowed to go anyplace else and
therefore not able to participate as much as possibly I would have
otherwise. Not only myself but some other people a whole lot more
better qualified than I am in this area, to be helpful and I think
that an advisory committee certainly could serve a purpose even
through maybe it should have been appointed six months or a year
ago. I hope that there will not be a continued expression of concern
and fear of an advisory committee in this matter. Thank you.
SUPERVISOR PELL: Thank you, Mr. Bear. Councilman Drum would
like to say one more thing before we close the meeting today.
Councilman Drum.
COUNCILMAN DRUM: I wish to pay tribute to George Penny III who
died last Friday. He was a lifelong friend of mine. He' s been
a local resident his whole life. Outstanding community leader .
He served in World War II as., ;a. ;:Captain overseas , he was a devoted
supporter of the Boy Scouts of America. He contributed a great deal
of his time' to the Lions Club, a member for forty years of the
Mattituck Fire Department, was a Commander in the American Legion
and he' s a firm believer in local government . His death is a great .
loss to our community.
SUPERVISOR PELL: Thank you. Motion is' in order to adjourn.
On motion of Councilman Nickles, seconded by, Councilman Murdock,,. it was
RESOLVED that there being no further business to come before this
Town Board meeting adjournment be called at 5 : 00 P.M.
Vote of the Town Board : Ayes : Councilman Murphy, Councilman
Murdock, Councilman Nickles, Councilman Drum, Supervisor Pell .
This resolution was declared duly adopted.
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