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HomeMy WebLinkAboutTB-08/26/1980 33' ■'F SOUTHOLD TOWN BOARD August 26, 1980 WORK SESSION 10 : 00 A.M. - Chief Carl Cataldo briefed the Town Board on an incident that occured in Greenport Village on Sunday night, August 24th. Chief Cataldo reported the loss of a new Handi-Talkie valued at between $1500._,and $2000. Discussion was held relative to the police radio contracts between the Town of Soiit.hold and the Village of Greenport and Town of Shelter Island which expire on December 31, 1980. Discussion was held relative to 1980 police budget expenditures in personnel and contractual and how this relates to the remainder of the year.. Considerable discussion was held concerning the current scheduling of two men and one sergeant per shift . It was decided to,--:increase this scheduleing to- three men and one sergeant per shift . 11 : 00 A.M. - Patrolman Henry Stepnoski, President of the Southold Town PBA .presented a letter to the Town Board concerning the scheduling of two men and one sergeant per shift . Patrolman Stepnoski was advised the matter had been resolved and the scheduling would be changed to three men and :one sergeant per shift . Patrolman Stepnoski asked_.that his letter to the Town Board be withdrawn . 11; 05 [�..;M, -. The Board di:scuss�ed the surplus police, radios with, Chief Cataldo, . The Chief will obtain prices. to deaerm :ne th.e value. of the radios-. 11 : 35 A.M. - The Board began reviewing the agenda. 12 : 05 P.M. Highway Superintendent Dean. and Donald A. S oss of. H2M spoke to the Board about .the statewide Safer Local. Roads and Streets Program. Mr. Sioss had presented a proposed resolution to the Board concerning the Town of Southold ' s share in the program.. The. Town will rece ve. $123, 297 i.n state bond funds, but must provide $41, 099 in local matching funds. It was determined these matching funds would be pr,oyi.ded entirely in in-_kind services by the Highway Department . A resolution will be proposed at the regular meeting. 12 :20 P.M, The Board recessed their work session for lunch. 1:25 P.M.. -- Resumed reviewing the agenda. 2 : 03 P.M. - Mr. Frank Bear and Mrs. M. J. Paul met with. the Board and advised they would be presenting a prepared statement at .the regular meeting with regards to Robins Island and the recent poll taken by the Save the Robins Island Committee. Mr . Bear presented a letter to the Town Board from the North Fork Environmental Council, Inc . offing to pay the registration fee of $75. 00 for a town official willing to attend an International Conference on European 'Waste-to-Energy Technology in Reston, Virginia on October 29th and 30th. 2 : 10 P.M. - Mr. Michael Riese addressed the Board concerning beach problems arising from trespass on the northeast .side of Horton Point Beach, Southold. He stressed the need for a beach ordinance. Council- man Nickles advised Mr . R.iese that he has presented a proposed beach. ordinance to the Town Board for study and it will be discussed in detail at one of the next two Town Board meetings. 2 :20 P.M. - James Monsell and David Kappel, Village of Greenport 36 AUGUST 26, 1980 briefed the Town Board on the progress of the Greenport Water System. The Board will take under consideration a proposal for the Town to join with the Village' of Greenport on a grant application to enlarge the present water system or future systems . A decision will have to be made by late September as November 17th is the filing date for 1981 round for Small Cities Grants. 2 :45 P.M. - David Spohn, John Appelt and William Rose met with the Board to discuss the progress of the Airpark Committee . They have screened consulting firms for airport master plan site selection study and recommend three firms : Howard, Needles, Tammen & Bergendoff, CH2M Hill:- and R. Dixon Speas Associates. The Board will set aside 20 minutes Pbt firm between 1 :45 P.M. and 2 :45 P.M. on September 9th to interview the firms . Mr. Spohn will make the arrangements . A regular meeting of the Southold Town Board was held on Tuesday, August 26, 1980 . Supervisor Pell opened the meeting at 3 : 00 P.M. with the Pledge of Allegiance to the Flag. Present : Supervisor William R. Pell III Councilman Henry W. Drum Councilman John J. Nickles Councilman Lawrence Murdock, Jr . Councilman George R. Sullivan Town Clerk Judith T. Terry Town Attorney Robert W. Tasker Deputy Supervisor Marie Bauer Johnson Absent :. Justice Francis T. Doyen On motion of Councilman Drum, seconded by Councilman Murdock, it was RESOLVED that the minutes of the August 12, 1980 Southold Town Board meeting be and hereby are approved. Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilman Sullivan, Councilman. Murdock, Councilman Nickles , Councilman Drum, Supervisor Pell . This resolution was declared duly adopted. On motion of Supervisor Pell, seconded by Councilman Nickles, it was RESOLVED that the next regular meeting of the Southold. Town Board will be held at 3 : 00 P.M. , Tuesday, September 9, 1980 at the Southold. Town Hall , Main Road, Southold, New York. Vote of the Town Board: Ayes : Councilman Sullivan, Councilman Murdock, Councilman Nickles, Councilman Drum, Supervisor Pell. This resolution was declared duly adopted. SUPERVISOR PELL_: This is a change, usually the first meeting- of. the month is held at 7 : 30 at night . September (th happens to be Primary Day so we are holding it in the afternoon so we can be out of here by 5 : 00 o ' clock. I . REPORTS SUPERVISOR PELL: The first report is Solid Waste Management Committee, Councilman Murdock. COUNCILMAN MURDOCK: This is a report of the meeting of the Five. Town. Solid Waste Management Study and H2M at the Quogue Wildlife Preserve, Monday, August 18 , 1980 at 2 : 00 P.M. . Present from Southold Town were Highway Superintendent Dean, Supervisor Pell and Councilman Murdock. I ' ll not make a lengthy report because the H2M report is. not final . Commissioner Middleton .of the DEC was in attendance and was very satiffied with the report as a solution to the disposal area- problems, recommended a start to the proposal because -of a five year estimate to complete contracts, builidngs and related prob.l'bMS1. Roughly the cost to build is $87, 000, 000 in 1980 dollars and that 's without any facilities for sludge treatment . The firm has no arecommenda- tion yet as how to finance it or when it i.s to be payed off but they also recommend a contract with Brookhaven Town to use the facility that Brookhaven is proposing, so we should write to Brookhaven to start a dailgoue. The minimum cost estimate of $34 . 00 a ton to dispose AUGUST 26, 1980 88-7 of solid waste, which is after we build a collection facility in- the Town of Southold portents a hugh increase in the cost of solid waste management program in Southold Town. That would be the end of my report . I would just make the aside that this is going to become a very expensive proposal . The$34 .00 a ton is a low estimate by H2M and does not have us building our own facility.. The $34 . 00 a ton is including the cost of transporting of solid waste from a collection facility probably at the Cutchogue Landfill Site to the Brookhaven facility. If we have to build our own facility as part of the Five Towns, we will also have transportation cost from Cutchogue to where- ever the Five Town facility is and it is going to be a very expensive proposition for what we are used to in the Town of Southold. SUPERVISOR PELL: Thank you. One point I would like to add to that is the next time this committee is going to meet is September -- COUNCILMAN MURDOCK: I forget if it is a Monday or a Friday. SUPERVISOR PELL: Either the 15th or the 19th this committee will meet again and then the Town Board will have to discuss between now and then the recommendations or how it feels the waste management should go in Southold Town so when they sit down again the Town Board will have a position of some osrt how to take on the future of the problem for our township. This is the beginning of a long road all five towns will have to go down. 2 . Report of Justice Rich (July 1980) which will be placed on file with the Town Clerk. The next report is from myself . I just want to report that last week the Town Board met.--as they do once a year, on Fishers Island . The entire ZTown Board went with elected and appointed officials from many agencies of the County and State . I feel it was a very fruitful day. In one respect the problems of the people on the Island are going to have is in 1981 the pollution on their cars, the exhaust from their cars, has to be monitored. For one of the 100 cars on Fishers Island to be monitored the device to do this cost approximately $12, 000. For a car on Fishers Island, where you . have 100 cars, the people would have to take the ferry boat from Fishers Island to New London, Connecticut, then from New London, Connecticut, to come over to Orient Point and then come to a garage on the mainland in New York State to Have it done and then go back. A representative from Commis- ioner of Motor Vehicle..;Office from Albany was there and he is recommend- ing to the EPA, and this is only a recommendation to the EPA from our Commissioner Melton from New York State, that Fishers Island be exempt where there are only approximately 100 cars and so many miles of land. So this is one of the good things that perhaps came out of the meeting we had there. The next report I1:1-1 move down to Item number 4, it is from Taxation and Finance Committee, George Sullivan . COUNCILMAN SULLIVAN: The above committee met on August 12, 1980. In attendance was myself as Chairman, Councilman Murdock, as well as William Price of McMann Price Agency and Allan Dickerson and Robert McCarthy of the Roy Reeve Agency . Also in attendance was Mr . William Mullen who has prepared an analysis of the Town ' s insurance policies . The purpose of the meeting was for Mr . Mullen to review the comments prepared by the two insurance agents and he will formally reply to them by letter . We also recommended that Mr . Steven Guido of Hamilton Stone, Inc. give a presentation to the Town Board. Mr . Guido 's. firm are financially consultants and have done work for Suffolk County and several municipalities in the area of payroll, namely in the area of social security wages which have been in the past reported incorrectly. The firm has been able to recoup three hundred thousand dollars for the County of Suffolk and several thousands of dollars for other towns. Their fee is based only on recovery of taxes incorrectly paid. Mr . Guido gave a formal presentation oat the Board 's executive meeting and it is the Committee ' s recommendation that the firm be hired subject to approval of its contract by the Town Attorney . That will be in a resolution today. I was informed of this particular service through the offices of the County Comptroller and they, as you can see, have done tremendous work for the Town. Basically what it boils down to is that municipalities have a different reporting system for social security wages than normal employers . A lot of municipalities have reported incorrectly. This firm has the expertise to recoup those particular taxes. Just in the other area, in addition to the 338 AUGUST 26, 1980 recommendations that were made of the insurance. policies I have asked the agents to examine three other areas of concern to me . They are as follows : Public Officials Liability coverage; Employee Blanket Bond coverage and Health insurance . They are moving the first two and I 've given the Supervisor sheets for the health insurance. So they may able to get a tax saving, fund saving in insurance. That ' s what we are trying to accomplish. SUPERVISOR PELL: One more report , I just want to ad lib a little if I can. This last week I went to Hauppauge to meet with the Riverhead Town people, the county executive 's office and the Long Island Railroad in reference to perhaps increased or better schedule of trains going in and out of Greenport , the east end here . There was a petition presented with 65 names on to the county .exec through the two towns asking that the scheduling of the trains be reevaluated. The people who like to go back on Monday morning and come out on Friday night, they can do it fine buring the summertime but after Labor Day they take the train right off and this group who, two or three citizens went up with us from the two townships and one of the things that came out of the talking there, it seems there is one train a day into Greenport . That train leaves Ronkonkoma, comes to Greenport , stays an hour or so in Greenport , turns around and goes back to Ronkonkoma. That is the only train in and out of here during the weekday. We asked the ridership of this train, as we refer to it as the train to nowwhere, because when it gets to Ronkonkoma you got an hour and thirty-seven minutes wait before you can take the next train to New York. So we refer to this train as the train to nowhere . Not meaning Greenport is nowhere . We asked them if they couldn't reevaluate the money they are spending on this train running out here and perhaps put on a bus that would run up to Ronkonkoma and meet a trainevaluat- ing like this and we were told that they would look into it . This meeting was requested back in February through out county executives office and the railroad just got back to us and we had it last week. As the people went with us said, it is progress , a little bit slow, but progress . II . PUBLIC NOTICES .- COUNCILMAN NICKLES : 1. The first public notice is from the New York State Depart-, ment of Environmental Conservation and it has to do with removing 13 existing pilings and repositioning 14 mooring pilings, and placing a 24 by 30 ft . finger piles attached to at ends by re- positioned 14 mooring piles. The response date in which to respond to this is September 3rd. -(Application by James H. Rambo, Inc. a/d Matt-A-Mar- Marina, Mattituck) . 2 . Department of the Army, Corps of Engineers is an application by Christopher :Gudis at Beebe Drive on Eugene ' s Creek for a dock, Tamp and float . Response date on that is September 4th. This is a revised application for work that was done. I believe, last year . 3. Long Island Oyster Farms maintenance dredging in their boat basin. Response date of that September 4th. 4 . The final notice is on the County Legislature and due to the fact that September 9th is Primary Day they passed a resolution changing their meeting from the 9th of September to September loth. Copies of all these public notices are on file with the Town Clerk is you wish to look at them further . III . COMMUNICATIONS - SUPERVISOR PELL: 1. We have a letter with a resolution attached to it from H2M, the firm that the Board has engaged to prepare the preliminary plans for the Town to receive $123, 000 from the Highway Bond Act , Safety Act that was passed last year . We get $123, 000; the Town has to put up $41, 000, to a total of $164, 000, plus the Town already has got $11, 000 to make the application for this money. H2M is the firm who is doing it . They are out today working on it , today . We will have a resolution later on to accept-- to go into this program. 2 . From Legislator John Foley and represents the Capital Budget Program for 1981:; acquisition of land along the Carman River and other areas throughout the county; in Barcelonia Neck in East Hampton Town, Pine Forest in Southampton Township, and also in Brookhaven Town there is some land and what not . Nothing in Southold Town . 3 . Letter from Greg Blass saying that the recommends to put on the ballot the resolution to do away with his job, put it up to-the people to vote to- do away with the county legislature . AUGUST 26, 1980 339 4 . The PiAnning Board of the Town of southold sent the Town-Board a letter on four subdivisions of land where the subdivisions have placed a highway bond up for three years; the three years has ran out and they are asking the Town Board what to do with the situation now. We have referred it to the Highway Committee to investigate, see what the problems are and make recommendations back to the Board. 5 . This was discussed two weeks ago when the Board met . It 's a law, federal law, introducing to take the local control away from cable TV. We give out a franchise in the different townships, we do in Southold Town to Times Mirror outfit to have cable TV in our town- ship. The Board has introduced me to write a letter saying that the local government would like to have and maintain, as it does now, a say in the proposed franchise for cable TV. This is--the text of the proposed bill is quite lengthy and we had it on hand about a week ago and I did review part of it . 6 . Many people who have been here before are away that Goldsmith 's Inlet-- we have asked�_.the County to partake in a study on the erosion problem in the Inlet . It is in the hands of our county attorney. We are asking him to expedite and try to get the study under way and on going. 7. From Herbert R. Mandel reference Gull Pond, the stake-outs-- stake-outs as attached in Gull Pond, known as Norman E . Klipp Park. Mr . Mandel is very much opposed to it and we are awaiting information coming from the state to tell us whose responsibility it is and who has final say. Our Town Attorney has applied to the state for some facts and they have yet to come in and the Board is sitting tight until we get the facts from the state and then we will render a decision. 8. I think this is the third or fourth letter I have received about the stairs at Lighthouse Beach Road, Horton Point in Southold here. This one is from Mrs . Bitses . I know I had somebody come in before and this is under Beach & Parks , I referred them to Councilman Nickles and he is going to sit down and work on this and perhaps come up for next year ' s budget, some sort of recommendation . 9. From a Group For America ' s South Fork recommending that the New York Ocean Science Lab do a water study sampling project on the east end townships . There are many such projects being considered . This is one I think would help the New York State--New York Ocean Science Lab get federal funds and state funds and work along these lines . The Town Board has not decided to do anything at this time . with this other than look and see what else is going on . We have a program on water testing going on by the county, Union Carbide . Congressman Carney is coming along with some sort of a study--testing going on. Suffolk County Health--and we want to reevaluate before we make any recommendations to the New York Ocean Science Labs to apply for funds to do this, even though I am a trustee on their board. I don 't want anybody to say conflict of interests . IV. HEARINGS AND DECISIONS We have plenty of time . We have two:.hearings today, one at 3 :45 (Joseph L. Townsend, Jr . wetland application) , and one at 3 : 50 (_Local Law to Provide for the Removal or Repair of Unsafe Buildings and Collapsed Structures . ) It is not time to go into them yet . We go on to resolutions . V. RESOLUTIONS SUPERIVSOR PELL: Resolution number one for Bay Constable Town Cielatka. COUNCILMAN NICKLES : Whereas Constable Cielatka--Tom Cielatka has been on probation with the town for six months and that period is up the end of this month, the feeling of the Town Board is that he should be hired as a full-time employee, and receive his step one raise. 1. On .motion of Councilman NIckles, seconded by Councilman Murdock, it was RESOLVED that Thomas Cielatka, Bay Constable, Town of Southold, be removed from his probationary six month status and placed in a permanent status with the Town of Southold and receive his step-one increase of $500 . 00 effective September 1, 1980. Vote of the Town Board: Ayes : Councilman Sullivan, Councilman Murdock, Councilman Nickles, Councilman Drum, Supervisor Pell . This resolution was declared duly adopted. SUPERVISOR PELL: Resolution number 2 we are not ready upon it . It is for the Board to approve the concept of a cluster zone down in 34&-. AUGUST 26, 1980 East Marion of a certain area there (property of Cove Beach Associates) . The Town Board went down there today, this morning at 9: 00 oclock to look at it; the gate was locked and we couldn ' t get in to see the area, so therefore we are not ready to act upon it . We want more information with a detailed map of it which the people did not submit to us therefore it might be on the agenda the next time we meet . 3 . On motion of Councioman Murdock, seconded by Councilman Drum, it was RESOLVED that the application of Frank J. McBride dated August 13, 1980 for permission to locate a trailer on his property on the. north side of Oregon Road, Cutchogue, New York be and hereby is granted for a six month period. Vote of the Town Board : Ayes : Councilman Sullivan, Councilman Murdock, Councilman NIckles, Councilman Drum, Supervisor Pell . This resolution was declared duly adopted . COUNCILMAN DRUM: I might just add that this trailer permit is for some farm workers which is a State--not a State program but a State Department program of young people from Poland and sponsored by, as I say, our federal government and they will be here temporarily for a six month period. It ' s an on-going program for several years . SUPERVISOR PELL: One that I certainly think very worthwhile . I have a nephew who ' s in Poland now on an exchange program. He ' s over there in another completely different field, not agriculture. He ' s over there and we have some of their people, young people come here . Move on to number 4 . Resignation of Terry R. Tuthill as a member of the Board of Appeals . 4 . On motion of Councilman Drum, seconded by Councilman Sullivan, it was RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold accepts, with regret , the resignation of Terry R. Tuthill as a member of the Southold Town Board of Appeals, effective September 15, 1980, and be it further RESOLVED that a letter be sent to Mr. Tuthill expressing the Board 's appreciation for his devotion to the position of Member of the Southold Town Board of Appeals for more than two years, and wish him good health, happiness and prosperity in the years to come . Vote of the Town Board: Ayes : Councilman Sullivan, Councilman Murdock, Councilman NIckles, Councilman Drum, Supervisor Pell . This resolution was declared duly adopted . SUPERVISOR PELL: At this time I would like to announce and have the Town Clerk post that resumes for this position, to fill it, will be accepted at the Town Clerk' s Office up until September 18th. The Town Board will make the appointment on September 22nd. That will be posted on the Town Bulletin Board. Number 5 is from what we call the Airpark Committee . We do not need a resolution on it , but I will ask one of my Councilmen to explain what went on today when we did meet with them, to keep you all informed. Henry, you want to take it? COUNCILMAN DRUM: As you may recall, several years ago there was a study which I chaired with several representatives in our community, Dave Spohn being one and we came up with certain recommendations . The again recently Mr . Spohn heading up the committee of three has _ interviewed several firms that would conduct a study for the Town. This would be with federal funds . We don ' t have the funds as yet, however, we are going to interview these three consulting firms and select one and they will proceed and make arrangements and try to obtain these federal funds from the Federal Avaiation Government , our federal government . There is nothing assured but they will conduct this study, or attempt to get this study money so we could look at our requirements in Southold Town for an airport . SUPERVISOR PELL: Thank you very much. We will be interviewing these three firms in the near future . Dave will being them into the Town Board, I think, two weeks from today and we will interview then. SUPERVISOR PELL: Number 6, resolution to let one of our Building .:_ Department employees attend a wood burning stove conference . 6 . On motion of Councilman NIckles, seconded by Councilman Drum, it was RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold authorizes one Building Inspector to attend a seminar for dealers of wood and coal burning stoves at the Holiday Inn, Plainview, New York on September AUGUST 26, 1980 341. 10, 1980 and grants permission for the use of the Town car and his lunch expense to be a legal charge against the Town of Southold. Vote of the Town Board: Ayes : Councilman Sullivan, Councilman Murdock, Councilman Nickles., Councilman Drum, Supervisor Pe11 . This resolution was declared duly adopted. 7. On motiori: of .Councilman Nickles, seconded by Councilman Drum, it was RESOLVED that the Southold Town Board declares itself lead agency in regard to- the State Environmental Quality Review Act in the matter of the application of William Pollert .fora wetland permit on certain property located at north side Pine Neck Road; on Jockey Creek, Southold, New York. Vote of the Town Board: Ayes : Councilman Sullivan, Councilman Murdock, ...Councilman Nickles, Councilman Drum, Supervisor Pell . This resolution was declared duly adopted. SUPERVISOR PELL: Number 8 is to award a. bid. to fix approximately 78. feet of bulkhead in .Mattituck at the end of Mill Road. Are you already to award the bid, gentlemen? _B . On motion of Councilman- Drum, seconded by Councilman Murdock, it was RESOLVED that. the Town Board of. the Town of Southold award the bid for the reconstruction of approximately 75 lineal feet of .bulkhead along the easterly side of Mill Road adjacent to Mattituck Inlet at Mattituck, New York, to the lowest responsible. bidder, Whelan .Marine Construction, East Hampton, Newyork at a bid price of $15, 600 . 00 for which sume the contractor will furnish all labor and services and material, and be it further, RESOLVED that' Supervisor William R. Pell III , be and he hereby is authorized and directed to. ent.er into an agreement , on. behalf of the Town of Southold with. Whelan Marine Construction for aforesaid work. Vot of the Town Board:. Ayes : Councilman .Sullivan,. _Co.uncilman Murdock, Councilman . Niekles, Councilman Drum, Supervisor Pell . This resolution. was declared duly adopted. SUPERVISOR PELL: There were three bids , he was the Lowest of the three of the bidders and he has to put up a performance bond of 1007'. Number 9 is something, we discussed before .and we. put it back ,.on'--.the agenda today. Basically out Town Historian requested to go to a conference in. Rochester, New York the end of. this year of all Town Historians throughout the state . The Town at this time is going to- pass a resolution authorizing her to go at a sum not to exceed., not to exceed ,$305 . 00 of Town funds . It: if runs more than that she goes at her own expense. The Town will put towards the expense of $305. 00 I will offer that . 9 . On motion of Supervisor Pell, seconded. by Councilman Drum, it was RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of. Sou.thold grants permission to Southold Town Historian Magdaline Goodrich to attend the. New York State Municipal Historian ' s Association conference in Rochester, New York from September 18 through September 20, 1980, and she be permitt-ed to spend $305. 00 from her budget for meals, lodging and travel expenses . Vote of. the Town Board: Ayes : Councilman Sullivan, Councilman. Murdock, Councilman Nickles, Councilman Drum, Supervisor Pell . This resolution was declared duly adopted. .SUPERVISOR PELL: Number 10 and number 11 you do not have . Number 2.0 is something we spoke about before, it is hiring H2M and who wants that resolution? 10 Moved by Councilman Nickles, seconded by Councilman Murdock, WHEREAS, pursuant to Chapter 369 of the .Laws of.: 1979, the Energy Conservation through Improved Transportation Bond Act , and Chapter 53 of the Laws of 1980, the New York. State Legislature authorized and appropriated funds for a statewide Safer Local Roads and Streets Program', and WHEREAS, pursuant to these statutes, the New York State Department of Transportation has apportioned program funds to the municipality as follows : _ State Bond Funds (Plus local Match) = Total Program 123, 297 (+$41, 099) _ $164, 396 NOW, THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED that the Town. of. Southold shall patticipate .in the Safer Local Roads and Streets Program, pursuant to. the terms of. the Bond Act, the Program Guidelines and the State- County Agreement , and it is further 342_ AUGUST 26 , 1980 RESOLVED, that construction of the Program will be by Town of Southold forces or by competitive bid letting, with oversight by the County Superintendent ; and it is further RESOLVED, that .-"the Town of Southold shall participate in the costs of the Program, with 75% reimbursement by State bond funds; and it is further RESOLVED, that upon completion of the Program, the Town of Southold shall at its own expense properly maintain the completed projects . IT IS FURTHER RESOLVED, that the Superintendent of Highways be and he hereby is authorized to. sign all project applications. Vote of the Town Board: Ayes : Councilman Sullivan, Councilman Murdock, Councilman Nickles, Councilman Drum, Supervisor Pell . This resolution was declared duly adopted. COUNCILMAN NICKLES : There is an addendum which the Town Attorney will give to the Town Clerk, the Town' s matching funds of $41, 099 shall be made up of in-kind services through the Highway Department . ADDENDUM to Resolution #10 : It is the understanding of the Town .Board in the adoption of the foregoing resolution that the Superintendent of Highways, as well as the consultant , H2M, have assured the Town Board that the local share of funds to be provided by the Town, to wit : $41, 099 will be provided by means of in-kind services to be performed by the Highway Department, SUPERVISOR PELL: Anythi.gn you want to ask about that? It was a long resolution. What- we. are doing, i:s .th.e state. is, going to give. us $123, 000, the Town has to put. up. $41,'0.00, The 'Town will put up its money as in-kind services-. Th-e state money wi11 be used to buy road oil, to buy drainager. i.ngs so we can put a drainage- system in, to buy street lights.. Th.e. Town employees, road department will go around and do the work. and be. charged toward this;_bon� act.. In-kind services , A. good part of .it will be. that ; Basically that is what we are doing. RONNIE WACKER: What roads are going to be repaired? SUPERVISOR PELL: Basically they are looking at, today., 27 from where the four land ends. to Riverhead Town line They want .to resurface that one. They want to put in some drainage. along there. .- There are three projects . Drai.nage 'along there, to resurface that road and buy lights and do some lighting throughout the Town. Those are the areas they are looking at right now. They are out today with. Mr . Dean going over it . The Town Board has not finally zeroed in, but these are the areas they are looking-'at right today_ . This application must be in by 1 think it is October 1st . and we meet on September 9th again and I presume, and I hope Mr. Dean will make a report at that time to the Board. Anything else you want to ask on ,thi.s? If not we move to number 11, which you do not hve but we do . 11 . .On motion of Councilman Sullivan, seconded by Councilman N.Ickles., it was . RESOLVED that the. Southold Town Board enter into a contract with. Hamilton Stone, Inc . for the review- of the Towns Payroll Records, to recoup any excess social security taxes paid. Thi''s contract will be subject to the Town Attorney 's approval . Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: .Councilman Sullivan, Councilman .Murdock, . Counci.lman Nickles, Councilman Drum, Supervisor Pell . This resolution was declared duly adopted. SUPERVISOR PELL: We have seven minutes before the public hearings, I ' d like 'to ask the Board members if they have anything they would like to discuss at this time.. ? Larry? COUNCILMAN MURDOCK: I prefer to wait until the audience has their input . COUNCILMAN NICKLES : While we are .waiting around, I 'v. e been in discussion with. the head of our lifeguards, Mr . Muir and throughout the summer , prior to the lifeguard season the Matt-A-Mar, manager of the Matt-A-Mar Marina has been kind enough to let Mr. Muir use his pool for training lifeguards, using speed tests and so on. He was very helpful . Without it it would have been much more difficult for him to find lifeguards for our Town beaches this year and at his suggestion I ask the Supervisor to write a letter to the manager of the Matt-A-Mar Marina thanking him for providing those services to AUGUST 26, 1980 343 the Town,. I might also add while we are discussing that , it was brought to my atteiition that for. four days last week there was not a lifeguard at all at New Suffolk Beach and this is a result of--I can 't give you the exact days but it was last week. Larry, do you know the dates off hand? COUNCILMAN MURDOCK: There was a liefguard there yesterday so apparently somebody went to school--- COUNCILMAN NICKLES : I can explain to you what happened. What happened is that it was necessary for Mr . Muir to fire a life guard because of their abuse of the privilege of working for the Town. The lifeguard on that beach was one of the park district beaches decided to go to MacDonald' s in Riverhead for lunch and I don ' t think anybody can find fault with him for dismissing. a lifeguard. It is difficult this time of year in. .August to keep our. lifeguards because many say they are going to work for the Town the whole summer but really only going to be out here for the month of July and the personnel gets . a little thin so Mr . Muir is in a continual training program all summer trying to keep vacancies filled, but that position is filled again and I don ' t know about the park district in Cutchogue, but our concern, of course, is the Town Beach. SUPERVISOR. PELL: The letter will be sent and this is the first I heard of no lifeguard there. . Mr. Muir usually checks and lets me know. Maybe he didn ' t check those days . COUNCILMAN NICKLES : He knew there wasn ' t a lifeguard there, Bill, he fired the lifeguard, .but I can ' t give you all the difficulties he had trying to find another lifeguar.d, but fortunately those days of the week was really bad, rainy days . SUPERVISOR PELL: Okay, I ' ll send the letter right out . George do you have anything to add ? (no response. ) I ' d like to remind you all that tomorrow morning at 10: 00 o ' clock we are going to have open house ceremonies in Peconic Lane at 10: 00 o ' clock. Our county exec will be there to say a few kind words over the Senior Citizen/Youth building as well as the Feeder Bus route system that is set up. So I want to make sure you all are welcome up there . No formal invitations were sent out by my office or the Town Board. We put it in the press last week. I think the press done a good job of covering it . So I hope we see a lot of you people up there . Coffee will be served and punch or whatever. The three Seniro Citizen ' s groups are each going to host along with the youth. It is going to be open from 10 : 00 A.M. to 4 : 00 and from 7 : 00 to 9: 00 at night . If people work during the daytime can go up at night . The senior citizens and youth will serve the coffee and tea or whatever there is to be and I think it is going to be a nice affiat . I think it is close enough to 3 :45 to have our first public hearing. On motion of Councilman. Nickles, seconded by Councilman Murdock, it was RESOLVED that a recess be called at 3 :45 P.M. for the purpose of holding two public hearings . Meeting to reconvene following the public hearings . Vote .of the Town Board: Ayes : Councilman Sullivan, Councilman Murdock, - Councilman Nickles, Councilman Drum, Supervisor Pell . This resolution was duly adopted The following public hearings were held: 3 :45 P.M. in the matter of the application of Joseph L. Townsend, Jr . for a wetland permit . 3 : 55 P.M. a proposed Local Law entitled, !'Local Law to Provide for the Removal or Repair o f Unsaf e Building and Collapsed Structures" . Meeting re.convenad at 4 : 05 P.M. SUPERVISOR PELL: Where, we left off was we were ready .to open the floor up to the audience for any they might like to address the Board wi.th,. The floor is, yours. When you raise your hand I will recognize, you. Please state.. your name and if you have a prepared text, use the mike, so everybody can hear you talk it will be helpful and the. tape, recorder can pick it up'. Who would like to address the Board first? Mrs-. M.J. Paul MARTHA JANE PAUL, Cutchogue, New York: Gentlemen of the Southold Town Board. I am here today representing the Save Robins Island -.--344 AUGUST 26, 1980 Committee, a large group of concerned Southold Town citizens who believe that the Town Board .has an opportunity to go down in history as having the foresight and vision to preserve an island of approx- imately 400 acres, which has natural, archaeological and histrocial attributes . We have long been convinced that a majority of Southold Town ' s voters would prefer to have the island preserved in its natural state instead of being altered forever by development . We now have positive proof that this is so. A mail poll of the registered voters of the Town of Southold shows---now, the figures that we gave you just an hour ago have become obsolete, so I will give you the correct figures. The mail poll as of now 84 .6% or 2086 people favor preserva- tion of Robins Island in its natural state, based on the number of cards received through August 26th. The statement checked by that 84. 67o urges the Town Board also to go on record as favoring preserva- tion. of the island and immediately to seek public and/or private funding forTown acquisition of the island . 3 .4% or 86 people said they had no opinion and 10.4% or 257 of the respondents stated preference for development of the island. The rest failed to check any of the above options but generally wrote notes expressing some of their feelings, and we are more than willing to let you look through these cards in detail at any mutually convenient time and they are right in front of you now. In less than ten days we received responses from a significantly high percentage of those who received the mailing. Out of the 11, 139 registered voters of the Town wo whom we sent the mailing, as of August 26th, 2466 have responded. That is 22 .17o, a percentage seldom equalled in a mailing, according to people who have been involved in this sort of thing. Fifteen to twenty percent is considered an excellent response. Money contributions totaled $2, 200. 00 and there were 291 donors, probably representing some 500 when you consider that most contributions are made by husband and. wife Now actually the percentage of responses from those who received the mailing is, more than the 22 .1% which I had mentioned. We used the Suffolk County Board of Elections mailing labels, for which we paid. When a number of people began complaining that they had .not received the Robins Island mailing in a certain post office district , we checked with the postmaster and he told us what we had not know; that all addressed on bulk mail must include a post office box number if the patron has one and had included it on his or her . voter gergistration card or the mail is. thrown out immedicately.There- fore, the percentage returned was more than the 22 .1% we figured. That was on the basis of a total 11 , 139 which we paid for . Anyway, there should be no doubt now that a majority of the Southold Town voters do want Robins Island preserved with the support of the Town Board. Our Committee has already explored avenues for funding for Town acquisition of Robins Island. We shall be happy to assist the Board in this effort , either as an officially appointed committee or as a cooperating, independent entity, should the Board decide to proceed in this manner . Our membership includes at least one person who has experience in this area. She and others of us have already established contacts which can be helpful . With your approval and participation, we can move forward with specific information and authority . We have gathered and continue to gather a vast amount of proof of the unique aspects of Robins Island. For example, we have attached a letter from teh Suffolk County Archaelogical Association . dated August 8, 1980, stating that they have categorized Robins Island as one of the ew, relatively pristine areas of aboriginal habtitation on Long Island. They also sent a 37 page documentation of the arch- eological findings which have already been uncovered. on this island. Therefore, based on the returns from the miliang, 84 .6 of the voters who responded want the island preserved. We urge you to act at once, today, if possible, but no later than September 9th, to approve preservation of Robins Island and to seek funding to help the Town of Southold acquire it . The benefits to each of you; and to all of us, will be immediate and ,our children and grandchildren will be thankful for your foresight for generations to come . Thank you. SUPERVISOR PELL.: Thank you very much. Now, I presume you are not turning that in to the Town, you are taking that home with you, that display. MRS . PAUL: Yes, but really as Town officials and representing us; , I think if you did go through them it would give you a very good picture of what people are thinking and what they want . By september 9th I am sure we will go over 2500 and we ' ll take it from there on September 9th, or today. Thank you. AUGUST 26 , 1980 345) SUPERVISOR PELL: Anybody else wish to address the Board? MR. . GILLETTE: I 'd just like to mention about Horton 's Point . What is taking. so long to get anything done with those steps over there. You know, we--this is a unique place and it seems it is just a shame to not be able to use the beach by people . SUPERVISOR PELL: Alright., to answer you, the man I would like to have answer is not here, Mr.. Dean. The Town Board asked Me . Dean to come up with . a cost factor it would . take to clean the brush out , put the. stairs tip and get Horton ' s Point in good shape . Mr . Dean did not. attend out Town Board meeting today, he is out on the road, as I said before, with H2M. He came in for about 15 minutes . We talked about roads, lights and he went back .out . We had a letter on it . It is in his file with a ,request to him to get back to the Town Board with the information that we need to give him the okay to go ahead. and clean the brush. out. and fix it up and. do whatever is needed to make it a respectable area. That it is basically. We turned it over to him a couple of weeks ago when somebody else brought it up . COUNCILMAN NICKLES: I don 't think it. was turned over to him a couple of weeks ago. It has been turned over to him, though. MR. CHARLES MOHR: I spoke to Mr . Dean a few months back and he had told me he had the money for the steps, the amount was $1300 for the lumber and he would have them finished by the end of June or the minute he had the highways cleared of the sand and that was the last I:_.heard of Mr . Dean. Then I spoke to John the other day about the SUPERVISOR PELL: Right , I know he spoke to me too. MR. MOHR: Yes , I spoke to you first and you told me to go to see John Nickles about it . John and I spoke about it . SUPERVISOR PELL: We .are going to see what happ.end to it, look into it . I can. perhaps give you' an answer, if you want to contact me at the end of. the week. The Town Board will probably ..t.ake action, if it requires-it at the next Town Board meeting. I ' ll see . Mr . Dean up there and ask him where we stand on it . I know he did discuss. it, as John syas, some time ago with us but nothing was ever reallY pushed on it . MR. ,MOHR: I know ..he .had .showed me some papers about the price of lu.j.j.inber. .and. all. ,that it costs and everything and when I went back the secretary and. Mr . Jacobs, I said I should have . contacted them more often but I took it for granted that he would continue on. I didn ' t want to bother him being he was busy, so then I went to you, then John. SUPERVISOR PELL: Let us go to work on it , we will pursue it . i MRS. ..MARGARET GILLETTE: I. would just. like to comment that when. we first moved to Southold eleven years ago, we bought our ,property a couple of years before that, I would just like to comment thatcone of the features of Southold Town that made it very. very attractive j to us, was the f a.ct that so many of the road endings yielded access to the .b.each area. From the standpoint of many recreational activities that was very very attractive to us and this was one of the big features of Southold Town and. over the years. many of these areas have been closed off and we just don 't like to see it happen. SUPERVISOR PELL:. We had . a group of .people at our last Town Board meeting from, I am going to call it Rocky. Point Road, E.ast_ Mar. on, complaining about. the. same thing. . A few years ago the Town put a fence up and closed it . right off because. as we put steps in there the steps were burned- up and broken down. The amount of people that was using. it on weekends were strictly more because at the end of that particular road we had--we owned fifty feet , that is all the Town owned. On each side., east and west, is private property. They would go down there with 200 people and a fifty feetu:road or 100 people, cars all up above, so the Town got in a position, in that . case, they had to close it off because. people were just going on everybody ' s land. At the end of our roads, the majority of our roads, there are 80 some of them. in the TOwn, the Town owns 80 some road ends that go into, the .water--the majority of them are fifty foot in width and they do have problems in certain areas., that some of them we do .have i i 346 AUGUST 26, 1980 to close off . At Horton ' s Point the Board is going to go into that in detail and find out what we can do and if we can do and I hope to have .a final recommendation from Mr. Dean, through John and his committee, ready next Board meeting. COUNCILMAN DRUM: I just wanted to say, unfortunately when we were a real rural area that weren ' t regulations . Now, the.' Suffolk County Department of Hea•lth, '.if we have a beach, we are required to have rest rooms and this can be a real problem. Basically they have ignored it , but if it is s beach and you have access, it can be at some time they are going to say, sorry you must provice the facilities . Then this becomes very difficult . This is a possibility. And life- guards as well . So at present no way could our community, could ew afford to have a lifeguard and facilities at every, beach end. We have 80 some off . But if they wanted--if they said this is a beach, we could be forced to have that facility. MR. MOHR: The beach down at. Horton 's Point , it would be impossible to swim. It is just a good beach for fishermen, for people to come down and take pictures . COUNCILMAN DRUM: We agree, but what I am saying is we can be faced with this. I 'm not saying this is going to be our approach. Don't misinterpret what I say, I am concerned. SUPERVISOR PELL: We will look into this and try to get a report back at the next Board meeting, if not before . I will talk to Mr . Dean and John the end of this week. Mr . Charles Hickey in the back of the room. MR.CHARLES HICKEY: Mr . Fell, in answer to Mr . Drum this particular section is nothing but bolders, that these people are talking about . Now, that was a beautiful place at. one time. . I was down there only here last week and I was shocked -and my wife indicated the same thing. There are trees and bushes growing eight feet high or more . I knew all about the steps, I talked about it . I talked to Mr . Dean about it . Now, 67 steps is at another location . Mr . Dean tried out some- thing at 67 steps that he felt was going to be the answer and I haven ' heard any more. SUPERVISOR PELL: The Town Board, today, did visit the 67 steps site as a unit . Mr . Nickles was not with us, but the other three members and myself drove down to 67 steps to examine exactly what you are referring to, the type of steps that he put in and he could take out , undo, take out and we looked at it down there . MR. HICKEY: At the Lighthouse Road, every time something happened to that it was vandalism. Either way they would knock them down or burn them or whatever . MRS . . JEAN TIEDKE : Perhaps the Town should very seriously consider buying more beach front for people to use. MR. FRANK BEAR: I 'd like to come back to the question of Robins Island, if I may . I 'd just like to refer to the cartons you see over there on the little table. The white containers contain the. 'cards of those people, broken down by election districts, who are in favor or preservation of Robins Tsland. .Mrs . Salmon, who ,is right there, has done the recording for us, holds in her hand those cards from. people who prefer development to. the island, the others are the no opinion .cards, and there are some, a few,.. people who didn't say what their opinion was but did write some kind of note and express their feelings . I think that it is astounding, really .that we have received this kind of response . . You will recall that last spring we had a petition with approximately the same number of 9- .gnatures on that petition as we know have cards returned to us,. Out of those cards. that have been returned to us, as Mrs . Paul said, more. than. 2100 are in favor .of preservation. This mailing was done only about ten days ago . We g,ot all these back in that short period of time. We 'rece. ved quite a number back today, as you know from looking at your copu of the statement Mrs. Paul made with different figures: which. indicates, the number we received today. We do hope that this is convincing evidence that--I heard at least one member of the Town Board say that he is convinced that the majority of the voters, of Southold Town favor preservation and he would be in favor of it also... I think. that it is time now to realize that you are not just playing with numbers . We have the facts to go on. AUGUST 26 , 1980 347 MR. WILLIAM GARDNER; Cutchogue-: I ' d be very interested and I think the Board would be very interested, if they have those by election for the towns within Southold, what the results are by that count . In other words, how many from East Marion, how many from Mattituck, how many from Southold, how many from Orient . MRS . SALMON: That was in the process of being done but is just not complete'. It can be done within the next.. couple of hours . It is a simple matter of just counting the cards. I • MR. MICHAEL MATTES, . Mattituck: When this matt.er .first came before the Town Board last April Mr . Sullivan made the statement that the majority of the people of the Town of Southold were, in his opinion, were in favor of development of Robins Island. Do you still feel that way. j COUNCILMAN SULLIVAN: Yes, the people that . I 've talked to, and again, I ' am. not .going to give the number, a fairly good cross-section., still j go along -with that . Again, this response is only 14% over ,the ..overall voter registration. --22% okay, so I think. we should still monitor the rest of the responses. j MRS . PAUL: I don ' t think we can do it because of the Mattituck. mailing I ,t,hink that 's: why this i.s not an accurate—account but I don't see how..you can say the majority of the people .favor development . I think i it is- ludicrous.. SUPERVISOR PELL.: In your statement. you read you said one: post office, if the addresses were not on, di_d not th.at °s Matti.tuck.? MRS . PAUL: Yes, it is. MR. MATTES : You say that the .majority of the people you talked to are. in favor of development, as a CPA and expert in statistics, with a population of 20 ,some odd thousand people in a given. community_ I and we want to know- how many people like pizza pies, by checking off yes or , no on, an inquiry, would you say th.at. .a sampling of 25 or 50 _.or 100 people is.. more statistically significant-Uthan a sampling of say 10% or 157o of the population. In other owrds-; in a population of 20, 00.0 people statistically is 25 people more statistically relevant or is the sampling of 2, 0.00 some odd more relevant? COUNCILMAN SULLIVAN: I donut know. I don 't know what that model of that example would bring out . I MR. .MATTgS.`: Well , if we wanted to find out. how- many. people in the Town of Southold liked pizza pies the ideal thi.ng 'would be to go out and ask everybody--10.07o .sampling. When .Walter Cronkite gets on the news at night and says this is a poll of 2,:000 some off people and the deviation .might be plus or minus 37o, he' s..talkng about millions in the theoretical sample.. We are t.alking ,here about a far greater percentage and one of the things I learned in Statistics I , and I 'm sure you ahve the similar experience, that the greater the sampling, the more relevance, the better the imprints can be made concerning the whole, is that now• true? 9o. how- can you say that the 25, 50, or 100 people you talked ..to can be more j statistically relevant than the 2000 people here . I COUNCILMAN SULLIVAN: It doesn 't seem to match.` up. I agree with. you. MR. MATTES : You are still will .rig to say the 100 people you talked to-- COUNCILMAN SULLIVAN: The people I talke.d. to,, again the. people that favor pre.servat.ion--but now where you have the response. I think. you should monitor the remaining ;results that. comeback.. MR—MATTU: I:f those remaining results: that .come back. are in relatively .the.. same propo.rti:on that we have herein. front of us, would you be willing to modify your stand? i COUNCILMAN SULLIVAN: Yes,- I think the questionnaire might have j een given to the Town Board, perhaps, for their suggesti-on . If you want us to react on a certain questionnaire, perhaps you should have asked us for some suggestions . I ' AUGUST 26 1980 MR. MATTES : Why, Mr . Sullivan, why? COUNCILMAN SULLIVAN: If we ' re to act on something that perhaps might not be all inclusive. If your check box for development said that this perhaps would lead to--if your next sentence under there said, this may require an increase in your taxes for acquisition. MRS . PAUL: How do you know that? COUNCILMAN SULLIVAN: I don 't know, but it may . If the sentence said it may include an increase in your taxes. MR. MATTES : Conversely the following what you say, does. it saY..-.undd.r._: favor development o.f -Robins Island the tax rate will be reduced? COUNCILMAN SULLI.VAN: I think in that particular sense it should have maybe defined development in some sorts based on the plan that was submitted to the Town Planning Board. MR. MATTES : I think we are .splitting hairs here, Mr . Sullivan . I think what we are trying to get at is a sense of yes or no among the people . The people have spoken, Mr. Sullivan. No way can you say statistically, and I 'm sure anyone else in here who has taken Stat I in college, by sampling 10% of a population is less statistically relevant than a sampling of approximately-- less than one half of one percent . If you talk to 100 people it is one half of one percent . We Piave a return here of approximately 10% in favor--22% versus your half of one percent . The response in favor was 44 times greater in favor of acquisition for parkland. COUNCILMAN SULLIVAN: We '.re going to move on it At the next meeting and you will have my position. COUNCILMAN MURDOCK: In reading. this, your last paragraph, M.J. , says that now you want the Town to acquire Robins Island. Is that the thrust of your recommendation now? MRS . PAUL: Town acquisition. t COUNCILMAN MURDOCK: Because the last acquisition was not . The last proposal was somebody do it . Now you have refined it to a Town acquisition? MRS.. PAUL: Mr . Pell ' s resolution for County acquisition . We are now asking for Southold Town acquisition. COUNCILMAN MURDOCK: Because I want to understand for myself, because certainly if it is dealing with' Southold Town it is, as far as I am concerned, an entirely different situation that what you were asking for - two months ago . MRS . PAUL: It is . COUNCILMAN MURDOCK: Now it vitally affects the finances of every person in the Town . We no.._longer can deal-- MRS . PAUL: We don ' t know. COUNCILMAN MURDOCK: I 'm afraid we do know. There is' no money that can be expended that somebody doesn ' t have to pay for . MRS . PAUL: We 're not asking that Mr: Murdock. Taxes are not the issue . The issue now is preservation or development . COUNCILMAN MURDOCK: . The issue, that is what I am trying to solidify now, M.J. The issue, according to what I see out of the. last paragraph of this report is that the Save Robins Island Committee is requesting that the Town of Southold acquire Robins Island to preserve it . Is that your recommendation. I want to know what we 're asked to do, is what I 'm really asking you. MRS . PAUL: With funding and we are asking the Town Board to immediately seek private--private and/or public funding and we have someone on our committee who is versed in this and we ourselves have called about if there is such a thing as.<private. funding, such a thing as public funding for endangered species or archaeological areas. That sort of thing. I don 't want my taxes raised, Larry, not one bit . i AUGUST 26, 1980 3..9 i COUNCILMAN MURDOCK: Well , M.J. , very honestly, whether the taxes go up or. whether the taxes .go down if the majority of. the people in the Town are willing to spend more money of their;.-tax dollars, so be it . If 51% of. the people say, I will spend $50 .00 a year more on my property taxes in the -Town of Southold, that is what the Town of Southold will have and.. should have. It isn 't a question of say, are your taxes going- to go up or down because of a proposition, it ' s is it as important to ..the people who are paying the taxes .that they are willing to have their taxes go up and down. MRS . PAUL: You 're already in square five, we 're starting in square one. COUNCILMAN MURDOCK: No; I am only concerend--I want to understand fully that you represent as your sampling of 22% of the population of this_. Town that you 're representing that based on that Save Robins Island Committee is asking the Town of Southold to preserve and acquire--to acquire and preserve Robins Island. MRS . PAUL: . And you 've .got to continue .it . There are two parts to that one sentence, and to seek public and/or private funding. Funding of the island but we acquire it . COUNCILMAN MURDOCK: But it ' s the Town. of Bouthold who is either going to acquire -it and also be the lead agency. However we are going to get the funding, whether the funding is coming from another source . MR. BEAR: . I would just like to say this in connection with. the question---I think you have a legitimate question there Larry, but the point is this,. we have talked. already to a number of people who are involved in both private and public funding and they don 't tell us that we can go out tommorow and pick up the money like that . But they do - tell us that there is a very .excellent opportunity of doing just that if we go about .it in the right way . In other words, if this Town Board should go on record as favoring preservation, then if you really believe that and really. want to go out and seek the funding, we 're convinced, on the basis of conversations which we 've had t.hat . this can be accomplished in a satisfactory manner . I can ' t .promise you how at this time or where at this time, but we would like to work. with ,this Town Boar.d. and help every way we can, and .bring about the preservation of Robins Island. Town acquisition with public and/or private funding. MRS ... RONNIE WACKER: Well, Frank Pretty much ,.sa.i.d .wha.t I was going to say.. We are not .asking that. the Town grant a bond . issue. We ar.e: not asking that .it be, done by Town purchase..,, but .we are asking. simply that the feeling of the people be_ noted and ..we recognize that there are many j funding opportunities for us to seek out . MRS. LEE DELLAMANO: Is it out of line to ask what kind of monies are being talked about? SUPERVISOR. PELL: . For Robins Island to purchase it? The last purchase price was $1, 300, 000. MRS . D.ELLAMANO: _Is. it ...for sale? Is it sold? . I don ' t know anything i about it . Is is now sold? Are the people willing to give it up? SUPERVISOR PELL: That 's -a good g rlue8a6,nn. The last ...time I know it was .sold _to. a group .o.f. Europeans,... That ' s the last .quest ion I heard. You say one-three, where does that price come from? MRS . WACKER:. . That was the sale "price, $1, 300, 000. That ' s what they paid John MacKay. MRS . DELLAMANO: How would we get it away from them? Would you just condemn it? SUPERVISOR PELL:, Good. .wuestion, could be... That I am sure will be worked out . Who else had their hand up in here? , MRS.. JUDY McGONEGAL: I 'd like to know why the Board has not done anything on the resolution before the Town on a call for a Human Life Amendment? It has been pending. You've been saying .you need more information . People have offered information and I 'd like to know why--which ever,,:way you go, why it hasn ' t been put up as a resolution? 350:; AUGUST 26 , 1980 SUPERVISOR PELL: I have it on my last thing to talk about today . I will talk about it right now if you would like . One of my Councilman called me Friday and asked me to put on the agenda for today 's meeting . I discussed it with him in great length and told him that . I had told many people who had called my office publicly here I would notify them before it was put on the. agenda. I do plan, at the request of my Councilman, to put it on the next Town Board agenda. COUNCILMAN DRUM: I might say that I am the one who is ready. I .have been ready to offer a resolution before the Town. I was very willing and I am willing to offer that resolution today but it was at the request of the Supervisor that it be delayed, but I have been ready for some time. MRS . McGONEGAL: You said at the next meeting at the request of your Councilmen, what if they don ' t request--'.it? SUPERVISOR PELL: They have, Mr. Drum already has, and Mr . Sullivan-- MRS _ McGONEGAL: So it has been requested and we can expect this at the next Town Board meeting? SUPERVISOR PELL: I will plan--I told Councilman Drum Friday that I would put in on the next agenda because I sat in this chair and told people in this room that I would notify them before it was put on the agenda. On Friday I explained to Councilman Drum if he wanted it on today, I would put it on, but it would be against what I told the people. I asked him if he would let me put it on the next time and he did agree that I would put it on the next time at his request and he did make the. requrest . It will be on the next agenda. COUNCILMAN DRUM: .However , as I have said, if the Board agrees today, I will be very willing to propose it today. But I did, very true, when Mr . Pell said to me on Friday that he had told other people that it would not be on, at . that time I had agreed to let it be postponed with the understanding that it-:.would appear at the next meeting. COUNCILMAN SULLIVAN: I 'm ready to move on it today. COUNCILMAN MURDOCK: At the last meeting we told people that we would give them two weeks notice so I 'm in favor of waiting because there are many people in the audience who wanted to know a specific time whether .we would actually move on it at this meeting and we had told them no, that we would not act on it at this meeting. The Supervisor explained to quite a few .people in the audience that day that we would give them notice . That '.s my only restriction. MRS . LORNA TUTHILL: Gentlemen of the Board . In the last few weeks many people have asked me two questions . Why is the Town Board . concerned with the abortion issue and how is this any of their business? As we tried to .find reasonable answers to these questions we came of the following conclusions : Abortion is a private matter to be dealt with by each individual according to his or her standards or personal morality and the tenants of ones religious faith. In other words , the real issue is not , do you believe in abortion, or would you ban all abortion, the issue is do you believe American government should have the right to .interfere in the personal practice of the faith of its citiznes . I 'm not here to advocate abortion. I don 't know a single person who advocates abortion, per se. Everywhere I 've inquired the answer has come back this way : I don ' t believe in abortion but I do believe everyone should have the right to make the choice and that is the issue here, the right to make a choice in the practice: of ones religious faith. We want to preserve that basic freedom. of religion that thousands of Americans have died to preserve for us and for the peoples of other noations of the world as well . In every generation this freedom has been challenged beginning with the earliest American colonies . Any fifth grade social studies student who has learned his lessons knows that the black pages of our history recording the witch hunts in Salem, Massachusetts grew out of a community where membership in a particular church was required in order to have a vote in the local government . Today American citizens are being field hostage in a land where freedom is in shambles as a variety of religious leaders seek to dominate its government . When you vote, if you vote today AUGUST 26, 1980 351'; or, on some other date, to support a Constitutional Convention "that would make the theology of one.,group the law of this land, ;:-will be interpreted by. us. who .believe .in the separation of church and state and in the free practice of ones faith as a direct attack upon the Bill-of Rights of the U.S . Constitution which you have sworn too uphold. I have here. 164 ,signatures which, added to .those we., have already collected, represent over 500 people who agree with me that this is so . SUPERVISOR PELL: Thank you. Present them to the Town Clerk and she will.-have them on file . I-.would like. to ask if I could, if the Board does.. not object , for .Mrs . Paul , at the next Board meeting, to present us with a detailed breakdown of your replies and also the election district in districts 18, 4, 1--- COUNCILMAN DRUM: I would like to make a comment in regard to these letters that have been received. I appreciate the statement and the committee 's effort in which they have done--the work that- they have done.. When we received the original, petitions, may comments at that time were, I didn''t ' feel the language was appropriate, I. do not feel that this was an objective. questionnaire either.. I have know and I have learned by statistics that you may--any response that is desired can be obtained in _the way the ques.tionnaire .is worded and I do not feel that--I appreciate your efforts a great deal ..... I feel that your effort. was to obtain one result. and. to be very frank. with you, I am not disappointed in the results, I am disappointed in the manner in which you went about it . Those are my only comments. COUNCILMAY MURDOCK_: I would like to ask the Supervisor., since you 're the chief fiscal. officer of. the Town,. now this proposition--should the Town purchase the island, . do you have any thoughts-you feel that we- are in., general shape that we can consider it .at this time or do you .make a. recommendation it should be looked into .for a time. to say next year--because we are under constraint . If it is going to be this year we. must have it on the ballot by, I .believe, Sept.ember . 19th is the last time that we can act to have anything included in the. ballot for this year . Now, if the-- and I respectfully submit that the last paragraph changes the entire complexion that we are now being asked as, a Town to purchase this., and you are the ..chief fiscal officer of the .Town and I would like to know your opinion about whether.- this is possible for us to pursue at this time or..do we have to ask the . people to be more patient, give us time and maybe work on it .into 1981 . We have. a budget--I read. the thing in the .paper .that said they.. were going to being. it to the Board now. I was under the impression it was in terms. of being placed on the ballot for November, that that was the reason for this informational gathering and . if it 's for the Town to .buy it I certainly .would like input now. We have 50 people here and tather .than have , 50 people walk out ,of here. saying we're unresponsive I would rather have you :respond so t,ha.t. we can at least tell the people whether it is something we have .time to consider in time for the November 1980 ballot , do we have to consider this at different lengths and take a longer period.. of time? SUPERVISOR PELL:. Thanl you, Larry. The way .I read ..this and maybe I;'m reading it wrong, it-says to approve preservation of Robins Island and. to .seek funding to help the Town of. Southold acquire it . I. read it to seek funding to help the Town. I. think they are . asking the Town Board to help them .and them to help us to .go outside and . seek outside funding, .not Town funding. I think this .is a request and .to me the key work, it is in here with a capital S, Seek funding. I .think they are asking us to work with them and .them with us to see what .funding, whether federal, state, private or whatever is available . I don; t think they are asking the Town money to be there . MR. ..-FRANK. MURPHX: , Mattituck: Mr . Pell, I really feel there. is quite a negative attitude on the Town Board .on this when .we have such . a large number of. people who evidently took the-time to be interested to. do this and I--you still have part of a.:.meeting scheduled after > this part of the meeting--why can ' t, so that you do get a better input in the Town Board, .appoint, a committee of. concerned people who would be pro in. developing to work with . the committee find- out what we '.r.e talking about . Find out why it ' s preserved, what they 're doing. I don.; t think these people ask to have us spend. two million dollars for the. acquis,ition at- all . I think they are just asking to preserve it . Let ' s find out how. 352.. AUGUST 26 , 1980 SUPERVISOR PELL: Thank you. If the Board so desires to appoint a committee wo work with these people I will let them not object to it . It ' s up to the Board. We are going into a working session when we adjourn today we will adjourn this meeting here, I have several items I want the Board' s guidance on, they 're housekeeping items. No action is necessary on them but they are--I think seven or eight I didn 't have a chance to discuss with the Board to get their guidance on the way I should reply to certain letters and stuff like that but if the Board wants to appoint a committee they would have to doit in an official body, we would have to do i t an official Town Board meeting. Does the Board anticipate this? If there is we can recess the meeting and adjourn it after we discuss it . What ' s the pleasure of the Board? COUNCILMAN DRUM: I don ' t object to a committee . Of course we 've had various people, as I say, studying and various groups have come to all of us . In fact we 've had the Conservation Advisory Council went over and looked at Robins Island have made a report . To study it , by all means I think perhaps have a group appointed where we will--let us . . consider it , let us discuss it after this meeting, official meeting. Let us discuss it at 5 : 00 o ' clock. Discuss all avenues . MR. WILLIAM WEINHEIMER: One impact on this entire, operation is we don 't know whether the present owners are willing to sell . COUNCILMAN MURDOCK: It will raise the price of acquisition. MR. BEAR: I think that first we don ' t know whether the owners are willing to sell it . I 've seldon, if ever, known of a real estate speculator who wasn 't willing to sell for a certain price. In this case if the Town can condemn and condemnation , results�.in,usually; a .reasonably fair price . These are the things that need to be explored. All these things . We don 't claim that we have all .the answers as of now. We are asking that we get going and do something. That the Town Board could take a stand in favor of preservation and then seek a way we could do it with funding. That ' s what it boils down to . MR. TOM McGONEGAL: I just want to address what the lady said. I don; t .understand why abortion is a religious issue.: ,. If murder I think the only issue is whether it 's murder or whether it 's some- thing else . SUPERVISOR PELL: The Board will have to wiegh this the next week and get prepared to vote on it . COUNCILMAN DRUM: It ' s not religious . MR. McGONEGAL: It seemed as though it was presented before that it was some kind of church and state thing or something and it doesn ' t seem to be a religious issue at all in my mind. It= seems to be a moral issue on which the United States is based on. MRS . JOHN ASHTON: On June 12th we came to you and asked you to pass this home rule resolution because the state legislature goes into special session in September . We are just saying let Southold Town be heard as we are asking for freedom of speech. In answer to this lady that abortion is a matter of private conscience, it has to follow murder is a matter of private conscience. Stealing becomes a matter of private conscience. As I carefully explained in the last meeting with the work that I had prepared for you the pro-abortionists are asking us to accept a whole new- code of morality. I 'm asking you please to vote in favor of it and I also have 199 signatures to add so you have over 800. SUPERVISOR PELL: Thank you very much. The Board will recess now, we will convene today--if you want to adjourn we can ' t appoint a committee then. We are going to adjourn. This will end official action of the Board for today. A committee will not be appointed today . COUNCILMAN NICKLES: M.J. , Bill had asked you,. or Henry or someone had asked you to update this and bring it to the next Town Board. I think it would be better, if you had it in by the Friday prior to the September 9th meeting so we don 't get--by the September 5th. AUGUST 26, 1980 353 SUPERVISOR PELL: I think it is the 5th we get the agenda out so it should be into my meeting by the 5th so it can go out with the agenda. On motion of Supervisor Pell, seconded by Councilman Murdock, it was RESOLVED that there being no further business to come before this Town Board meeting adjournment be called at. 5 : 05 P.M. Vote of the Town Board: Ayes : Councilman Sullivan, Councilman Murdock, Councilman Nickles, Councilman Drum, Supervisor Pell . This resolution was declared duly adopted. Judith T. Terry, . Town Clerk t