HomeMy WebLinkAboutTB-07/22/1980 JULY 22, 1980 269 .
SOUTHOLD TOWN BOARD
JULY 22, 1980
WORK SESSION
9: 00 A. M. - Mr. Richard Strang from the Suffolk County Department
of Transportation addressed the Board concerning the feeder bus
program which will begin in Southold Town on August 11, 1980. This
is the first step in the Suffolk County Public Transit Program.
This portion of the program is entitled the "North Fork Phase I
Bus Service Improvements" . The services will run from 7 AM .to
7 PM six days a week including holidays. On August 13th there
will be a ceremony at the Town 'Hall at which time County Executive
Cohalan will hold a press conference to introduce the program.
EXECUTIVE SESSION
10: 00 A.M. - The Board discussed the possiblo:_purchase of property
near the. landfill site in Cutchogue.
Discussion was held relative to the request of Donald Leden
for a one year leave of absence. The Board agreed to deny Mr.
Leden' s request .
WORK SESSION
10: 10 AM. - The Board began reviewing the agenda.
12 NOON - Recess for lunch.
1: 20 P. M. - Mr. Henry Raynor, Chairman of the Southold Town
Planning Board met with the Town Board to discuss amendments
to the Town of Southold Land Subdivision Regulations, particularly
the approval of Board of Appeals actions between the period from
January 1, 1971 and September 5, 1979, many of which- may have
required approval of the Planning Board. Mr. Raynor asked for input
from the Town Board before a hearing is scheduled by his board.
Mr. Raynor spoke about the Planning Board' s meeting with
Dr. Lee Koppelman and Arthur Kunz of the Suffolk County Planning
Department , stating it was mutually beneficial and will most likely
be repeated every six months to a year, thus forming a much closer
working relati.onship between the County and the Town.
2: 00 P.M. - Mr. Steve Tsontakis dt the Captain Kidd Water Company,
Mattituck made a presentation to the Board concerning the water
company. There have been problems recently concerning water.
pressure which will require replacing the existing station. They
have acquired property on Stanley Road where there is an existing
farm well and a new pumping station will be constructed. Mr.
Tsontakis felt the Town Board should be aware of the water company' s
. desire to upgrade their system and serve their customers with the
highest quality service as possible.
2: 10 P.M. - Mrs . Peg Kaelin f.ddressed the Board, asking their
support for the call of a Constitution Convention to write a
Human Life Amendment .
2: 20 P.M. - Mrs . Barbara McElroy presented a petition containing
350 signatures calling for a Constitutional Convention to' write
a Human Life Amendment .
2: 25 P.M. - Suffolk County Legislator Gregory Blass, Lois Callis,
President of the Board of Trustees of the Eastern Long Island
Hospital, Charles Kuebler, ELIH Administrator and Dr. Earl Loomis
addressed the Board concerning the hospital' s plan to develop a
mental health wing. They have asked for 45 minutes during the
regular Board meeting to make a full presentation.
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2: 45 P. M. - Mrs . Regina Orata spoke to the Board asking their
support in opposing the call for a ConstitutionaliConvention to
write a Human Life Amendment .
2: 50 P.M. - Mrs . Ann Hamilton also spoke to the Board asking their
support in opposing the call of a Constitutional ''Convention to--write
a Human Life Amendment .
A regular meeting of the Southold Town Board was held on Tuesday,
Jtly 22, 1980 at the Southold Town Hall, Main Road, Southold, New
York. Supervisor Pell opened the meeting- at 3: 00' P.M. with the
Pledge of Allegiance to the Flag.
Present :
Supervisor William R. Pell" III
Justice Francis T. Doy.en
Councilman Henry W. Drum
Councilman John J. Nickles
Councilman Lawrence Murdock Jr.
Councilman George R. Sullivan
Town Clerk Judith T. Terry
Town Attorney Robert W. Tasker
Deputy Supervisor Marie Bauer Johnson
SUPERVISOR PELL: The first order. We will go down the agenda,
we will go through it completely. We have a hearing at 3:40 and
one at 3:45. After that the hospital board is here to present
a project to the Town Board and the Town folks . After that we
will open the floor up to the public. First order of business is
the approval of the minutes of July 8th meeting.
On motion of Councilman Drum, seconded by Justicei,iDoyen, it was
RESOLVED that the minutes of the July 8, 1980 meeting of the Southold
Town Board be and hereby are approved.
Vote of the Town Board: Ayes : Councilman Sullivan, Councilman
Murdock, Councilman Nickles, Councilman Drum, Justice Doyen,
Supervisor Pell .
This resolution was declared duly adopted.
On motion of Councilman Murdock, seconded by Councilman Drum, it was
RESOLVED that the next regular meeting of the Southold Town Board
will be held at 7: 30 P.M. , Tuesday, August 12, 198'0 at the Southold
Town Hall, Main Road, Southold, New York.
Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilman Sullivan,, Councilman
Murdock, Councilman Nickles, Councilman Drum, Justice Doyen,
Supervisor Pell .
This resolution was declared duly adopted.
On motion of Supervisor Pell , seconded by Councilman Drum, it was
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold will Bold a
regular meeting at 1: 00 P.M. , August 20, 1980 at the Fishers Island
School, Fishers Island, New York.
Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilman Sullivan, Councilman
Murdock, Councilman Nickles , Councilman Drum, Justice Doyen,
Supervisor Pell.
This resolution was declared duly adopted.
SUPERVISOR PELL: Once a year the Town Board does' go over to Fishers
Island. We hold a meeting there and this is the ',time .to do it . It
will be August 20th this year. The local residents like to see
their Town Board over there at least once and weishall be there.
REPORTS - SUPERVISOR PELL:
1 . Dog Warden report . *These reports will be; placed on file in
the Town Clerk' s Office . Anybody wish to reviewlthem can to into
the Town Clerk' s. Office and review them. Dog Warden for the month
of June.
2. Town Justice report - Justice Tedeschi (June 1980) .
3. Town Justice report - Justice Rich (June. 1980) .
4. Long Island Tourism Committee. There was a meeting held
the other day and I asked my deputy to go and she will report on
it . This is something that will concern Southold Town in a big
way this fall and will concern the hospital, so I am glad you are
here to hear about it . Marie, tell us about it .
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DEPUTY SUPERVISOR JOHNSON: The New York -State Department of Commerce
has a tourism unit, which is dedicated to increasing tourism in New
York State.. In 1978 they formed a special group which is to prolong
the regular tourist season beyond Labor Day. This will be the third
year they'.ve had such a special harvest fest or Fall Festival as
they call it and the chosen area for it -this year is Long Island.
The first year they had this in 178 the targeted area was the
Albany, area and there they had an influx of 70, 000 tourists . The
second year, last year, the area chosen was the Lake Placid area
and there where they usually have three to four thousand tourists
a weekend they had 15, 000 a day. So they' re telling us there's
a possibility we will be having something up to 50, 000 people
out . here on these particular weekends. It seems not impossible
that we will. This Fall Festival will involve the nine weekends
from the one immediately following Labor Day to the first weekend
in November. Each one will highlight a separate area of the Island
from Oyster Bay, Huntington all the way out. And the Columbus Day
weekend will feature Riverhead, Southold. In Riverhead the Community
Affairs Commission is handling the arrangements . The Polish Town
Civic Association and other groups are working with them. In Greenport
it ' s the Greenport Chamber of Commerce who is making plans and last
night I spoke at the meeting of the Mattituck Chamber of Commerce
and they had set up a committee and are very quickly getting into
harness and are going to have something planned for the Mattituck
area. The Town' s place in all of this will be to help provide the
extra services or see that people are alerted to providing the extra
services that will be needed if .we have this kind of influx of
people into the area. Fire protection, hospital, first aide and
police and so forth. There will be a meeting here at Town Hall at
7: 00 o' clock on August 4th and there will be some representatives
from the Long Island Tourism Commission here and representatives
from -all the groups that will be working on this project and anyone
who would like to come and put in their two cents worth would be
most welcome. Thank you.
SUPERVISOR PELL: Thank you very much. On the Councilmen' s reports
I think all of them are going to beg off. There are no special
committees to make a report at this time. Lucky for them.
PUBLIC NOTICES:
SUPERVISOR PELL: We can skip them, there are none this meeting
so we will move on to communications. '
COMMUNICATIONS - SUPERVISOR PELL:
1. The first letter we had is from Finnegan Associates about
100% assessment, saying they are winding upiin one of the assignments
they have. They have personnel available to come to Southold Town
if we chose to so follow suit in 1007o assessment. Along these lines
the Town Board is not ready to move along these lines yet . We have
written, my office has, to four people in Albany who are up -on`this .
Senator LaValle, Assemblyman Behan and two others from the senate and
assembly. We have two replies back so far. Two more due in. Basically
the first two say the senate and the assembly have not agreed upon an
overall package for the state yet so don' t rush too fast too far
until we find out what will come out of it.
2. One of our employees left -the Town and moved down south
and we had no mailing address for him and we had some vacation pay
due him and it set in my office for two months and finally we found
out where to mail his vacation pay. And also along with that he
requested a leave - one year leave of absence which the Board will
discuss further. (Donald Leden is the former employee referred to. )
3. Concerns Fishers Island. It is a contract for them to have
a study made on their disposal area plant which . they hope to build
some day and get federal funds for.
4 . Concerning our building inspectors . Sometimes you have a
job to do and sometimes when you do it people think you' re unjust
or unfair but still the law is a law and we all must live -by it and
building men have to enforce it.
5. From Gregory Blass who is here somewhere. He' s not in the
room right now. It is about a county-wide charge back system where
the villages,°and the towns basically can charge the county for services
that they do not require. What brought this about is the police
budget last year was the start of this .conversation or debate or
whatever you say. The county charges the east -end for a lot of
police services which we feel we do not use therefore we ;=should:_cn_ot
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be required to pay for them and we have discussed this with Mr.
Blass and others and they are proposing there will be set up' a
county-wide charge back system where we can charge back for services
not used but 'get charged for the ones we do. This is something new.
The supervisors of the five east end towns will meet in the next
month and invite different people from the county, comptroller' s
office to come out and explain to us how it will ;work when adopted.
It is something that is just beginning and will be a long fight
down the road before we can get it approved I 'm sure, but we are
going to proceed with it and we hope it will work.
6. This is what I mentioned before. Letters from Behan and
Harenberg, the. two we got back on them (1007o assessment) . Basically
they said the assembly _and .the senate in the state are miles apart.
7. A complaint about noises , noise ordinance people would
like us to enact . We have none on record right now but we have,
had, over the last three or four weeks, two or three complaints
called in to Town Hall . I ' m sure we will get into this later on
in the agenda.
HEARINGS AND DECISIONS'
SUPERVISOR PELL: We have a hearing I am going to skip over to the
proper time and move on to resolutions.
RESOLUTIONS
1. On motion of Councilman Drum, seconded by Councilman Nickles, it was
RESOLVED that the application of Edmond Bokina darted July 18, 1980
for the renewal of his trailer permit on a right-of-way off the
north side Main Road, Laurel, New York be and hereby is granted for
a period of six months.
Vote of the Town Board: Ayes : Councilman Sullivan, Councilman
Murdock, Councilman Nickles, Councilman Drum, Justice Doyen,
Supervisor Pell.
This resolution was declared duly adopted.
2. On motion of Councilman Sullivan, seconded by Councilman Murdock, it Is
RESOLVED that the application of Oscar Goldin dated July 18, 1980
for the renewal of his trailer permit on Lot #60, Greenport Driving
Park, south side Linnet Street, Greenport, be and hereby is granted
for a six month period.
Vote of the Town Board: Ayes : Councilman Sullivan, Councilman:,
Murdock, Councilman Nickles , Councilman Drum, Justice Doyen,
Supervisor Pell .
Thi§ resolution was declared duly adapted.
3. `_;On motion of Councilman Murdock, seconded by Councilman Drum, it was
RESOLVED that the Southold Senior Citizen' s Club be and hereby are
granted permission to hire two school buses at a cost of $111. 00
each to transport them to the John Drew Theatre, East Hampton, New
York on August 14, 1980.
Vote of the Town Board: Ayes : Councilman Sullivan, Councilman
Murdock, Councilman Nickles , Councilman Drum, Justice Doyen,
Supervisor Pell .
Th,i§ resolution was declared duly adopted.
4. On motion of Councilman Sullivan, seconded by Councilman Nickles, it was
RESOLVED that the Southold Senior Citizen' s Club be and hereby are
granted permission to hire two 49 passenger coach, buses at $385. 00
each to transport them to Bear Mountain State Park on September 11,
1980.
Vote of the Town Board: Ayes : Councilman Sullivan, Councilman
Murdock, Councilman Nickles, Councilman Drum, Justice Doyen,
Supervisor Pell.
This resolution was declared duly adopted.
SUPERVISOR PELL: Item No. 5 warrents a little bit of explanation
and I will ask Councilman Nickles if he can handle it .- Bob do
you want to explain?
TOWN ATTORNEY TASKER: Number five has to do with. the To accepting
a correction deed concerning a drainage area .near' the Goose Creek
area within an existing subdivision:. At the present time we have
a drainage area which is I believe about 35 ft. in width and 150 ft .
in depth and this is to enlarge that area. The proposed deed
accomplishes that end.
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5. On mo.tion.. of. Couxic,t1jDan. seconded byy Couhc:�lman. -Murdock.,* it was:
RESOLVED that th-e Town Board of ' th.e-.Town of' Sbuthdld accept the �
correction debd from Winifred Sayre,', deeding a parcel' of land :contain
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ing 0. 234 acres- at Northfield Lane, Southold for 'drainage 'purposes-.
Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilman Sullivan, Counci.1-man
Murdock, Councilman Ni,ckles-, Councilman Drum, Justice: Doyen,
Supervisor Pell.
This resolution was declared duly adopted.
6. On motion of Councilman Drum, seconded by Councilman Sullivan, it was-
RESOLVED that th-e Matti.tuck, Senior Citizens: be and h-.ereb.Y.' are
granted permis-s-ion to - hi.re two bus.-es at $350,100 'each. to transport
them to Goshen, New- York and W'ashingtonvi,lle, New- Y-ork. on 'October
9, 1980.
Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilman -Sullivan, Counciljj3an
Murdock, Councilman Nickles, Councilman Drum, Justice, Doy-en,,
Supervisor Pell .
This resolution was de'clared duly adopted.
7. Moved by Supervisor Pell, seconded by Councilman Sullivan,
WHEREAS, Burton Potter Post #185, American Legion, Greenport, New
York has applied to the Town Clerk for a Bingo License, and
WHEREAS, the Town Board has examined the application and after
investigation, duly made findings and determinations as required
by law,
NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED that the Supervisor be and he hereby
is authorized and directed to execute on behalf of the Town Board
of the Town of Southold the findingsand determinations as required
by law, and it is further
RESOLVED that the Town Clerk be and she hereby is directed to issue
a Bingo License to the Burton Potter Post #185, American Legion,
Greenport, New York.
Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilman Sullivan, Councilman
Murdock, Councilman Nickles, Councilman Drum, Justice Doyen,
Supervisor Pell.
This resolution was declared duly adopted.
SUPERVISOR PELL: Resolution number 8 is for a new trailer applica-
tion. The Board is not going to move on this so therefore we are
tabling it at this time .
9. On motion of Councilman Drum, seconded by Councilman Nickles, it was
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold' take disciplinary
action against Seasonal Police Officer Michael Fingerle in the for-:--
feiture of one days pay in accordance with a violation of Article
VIII , Section 12 , of the Rules and Regulations of the Southold Town
Police Department, in reference to an incident occurring on July
13, 1980, and accept the recommendation of Chief of Police Carl
Cataido in this matter.
Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilman Sullivan, Councilman
Murdock, Councilman Nickles, Councilman Drum, Justice Doyen,
Supervisor Pell .
This resolution was declared duly adopted.
SUPERVISOR PELL: Number 10 we can omit because we did that one
the last time the Board met . Number 11 we have to do at this
time. Fishers Island Ferry District will provide 5% to a . capital
project to put three inches of asphalt overlay over the runways
at Elizabeth Airport in their 1981 budget .
11. Moved by Justice Doyen, seconded by Councilman Sullivan,
WHEREAS , Elizabeth Airport at Fishers Island is in need of repairs
and renovations, and
WHEREAS, the cost of said repairs and renovations may qualify
for state and/or federal aid, and
WHEREAS, the Fishers Island Ferry District has indicated that it
will assume the required pro rata share of the cost of said asphalt
overlay on both runways,
NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of
Southold does hereby approve the expenditure of the Fishers Island
Ferry District for its pro rata share (5%) 'for the cost of the 3"
asphalt overlay on both runways at Elizabeth Airport., from the
.Ferry District ' s 1981 budget .
Vote of -the Town Board: Ayes: Councilman Sullivan, Councilman
Murdock, Councilman Nickles, Councilman Drum, Justice Doyen,
Supervisor Pell .
This resolution was declared duly adopted.
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SUPERVISOR PELL: Number 12 is for the Town Board, to classify a
piece of land as a cluster zone concept. The Town Board will,
in the next week, go down and look at the area in, East Marion
and then. it will be on the agenda again. (Cove Beach Associates) .
13. On motion of Councilman Nickles, seconded by Councilman Murdock, it was
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold approves the
bond estimate as prepared by Lawrence M. Tuthill, Town Engineer,
in the amount of $296, 000 for roads and improvements in the sub-
division to be known as "Bayview Woods Corporation" .
Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilman Sullivan, Councilman
Murdock, Councilman Nickles, Councilman Drum, Justice Doyen,
Supervisor Pell .
This resolution was declared duly adopted.
SUPERVISOR PELL: Number 14. We have to declare a bank depository
of the HUD funds, the $50, 000 HUD fund grant we have received for
the libraries and it is the recommendation of my office to give
the Bank of New York this deposit of $50, 000-- work out of that
bank.
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14. On motion of Councilman Murdock,- seconded by Councilman Drum, it was
RESOLVED that the .Town Board of the Town of Southold authorize
Supervisor William R. Pell III to sign vouchers on Letters of
Credit and checks on the account of the Town of Southold CD Block
Grant Program #31-0-18166, and be. it further
RESOLVED that .the Bank of New York, Main: Road, Greenport , New York
be designated as the depository for all funds to be received
directly from the U. S . Treasury Department resulting from contract
number B-80-DS-36-0100 executed. with the U. S . Department of Housing
and Urban 'Development for deposit to: Town of Southold CD Block
Grant -Program.
Vote of .the Town Board: Ayes : Councilman Sullivan, Councilman
Murdock, Councilman Nickles; Councilman Drum, Justice Doyen,
Supervisor Pell.
This resolution was declared duly adopted.
SUPERVISOR PELL: Number 15 concerns our Chief of Police. We must
at this time give him a raise in pay. His new salary will be a
raise of $883. 00.
COUNCILMAN DRUM: The amount will be $883. 00 based on an annual
basis. It will only be for the six month period commencing on the
first of July ,of this year and this is required by law in a contract
where th.e lieutenant is receiving an increase and the chief of police
must get, by law, a like amount -- minimum.
15. On motion of Councilman Drum, seconded by Councilman Nickles, it was
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold set the salary
of Police Chief Carl Cataldo at $30, 073. 00, which- is an increase of
$883. 00, effective July 1, 1980.
Vote of the Town Board: Ayes : Councilman Sullivan, Councilman
Murdock, Councilman Nickles , Councilman Drum, Justice Doyen;
Supervisor Pell.
Th:is resolution was declared duly adopted.
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SUPERVISOR PELL: Number 16. - I recommended to the Board to pay
Mr. Muir today but we are going to put it off until our regular
payment of the audit of bills which will be on the next Board
meeting agenda. Mr. Muir, as you know, takes care of the beaches
for the Town. His pay is so much a mile as he goes around, plus
a stipend.
17. Moved by Councilman Murdock, seconded by Councilman Drum,
WHEREAS , Marian Council, Knights of Columbus #3852, Cutchogue,
New York, has applied to the Town Clerk for a Bingo License, and
WHEREAS, the Town Board has examined the appli.cation and after
investigation, duly made findings and determinations as required
by law,
NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED that the Supervisor be and he hereby
is authorized and directed to execute on behalf of the Town Board
of the Town of Southold the findings and determinations as required
by law, and it is further
RESOLVED that the Town Clerk be and she hereby is directed to issue
a Bingo License to the Marian Councilman, Knights of Columbus #3852,
Cutchogue New York.
Vote of tAe Town Board: Ayes : Councilman Sullivan, Councilman
Murdock, Councilman Nickles , Councilman Drum, Justice Doyen,
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Supervisor Pell.
This resolution was declared duly adopted.
SUPERVISOR PELL: Number 18 is something the Board is not going
to act on today. ' It is a bill I got from our County Exec' s office,
it is just a highlight of it. The bill itself is a half inch thick
they say. What it would do, it is from the United States Senate
introduced by Hollings from South Carolina, takes all local control
of cablevision away from the local people. Since I have been sitting
in this chair one of the - the telephone rings - one of my biggest
complaints is "my cablevision is out" or "when am I going to get
it?" or ''!:the picture is blurry" or what not . Maybe we should say
be like the telephone, don' t bother the Town, go directly to Ma
Bell of the Cablevision. Yet the Town does give a franchise bn
this, so therefore I feel the Town should be involved. ' I am going
to request the bill to come out in its entirety, let the Town Board
review it, break it down, then I will urge the Town Board to take
some sort of a stand on this. We have not got proper information
yet and I will send and get that.
Number 19 you do not have. It is something that should have
been on but I left it off by error, I guess, perhaps . The other
night we had a meeting on the New Suffolk Avenue bridges and the
Oaklawn Avenue bridges . The county sent an engineer out here.
We had 125 people out to hear what they had to say. The hearing
went on and we found out they are only in Phase I of this program.
Phase I includes Mud Bridge and Downs Creek Bridge. Only those
two in Phase I . Those are the two we concentrated our hearing on
that night because as I said they are in Phase I . After hearing
a lot of, I can' t say pros, because I don' t think there were no
pros here, mostly cons, people opposed for one reason or another
to the removal of these bridges , putting in the new 28 foot or
32 foot wide bridges there. The Town Board listened to it . We
asked the engineer who was going to pay for the roads leading on
and off th.e bridge. I got a telephone call yesterday saying the
county would .take the responsibility. I don' t know if it is
federal funds, state funds but the county would be no cost to the
Town for the roads leading on and off the bridge. I passed that
information on today to the Town Board and we did discuss it at
great length this morning. I think somebody has something to say
about it besides me, perhaps.
COUNCILMAN SULLIVAN: I just think the concensus of the Board was
to direct the Supervisor to. draft a letter in response to the
County indicating that it seems that the overwhelming opinion of
the people that are affected by it is that they prefer the bridges
to remain and be repaired in their present state and not have any
tremendous change to maintain the scenic beauty of the area. That
seems to have been the concensus of opinion.
19. On motion of Councilman Sullivan; seconded by Councilman Murdock, it was
RESOLVED that Supervisor William R. Pell III be and he hereby is
directed to forward a letter to R. M. Kammerer, Commissioner of the
Suffolk County Department of Public Works advising him that . as a
result of the information meeting held at the Southold Town- Hall
on July 18, 1980 . concerning the bridge construction at Mud and
Downs Creeks , New Suffolk Avenue, it was the unanimous feeling
of the residents in attendance at the meeting and the Southold
Town Board members that the aforesaid bridges should not be replaced,
they should be repaired and if they are beyond repair they should
be replaced by in-kind bridges. The proposed contruction by the
County would be detrimental to the beauty of this area.
Vote of the Town Board: Ayes : Councilman Sullivan, Councilman
Murdock, Councilman Nickles, Councilman Drum, Justice Doyen,
Supervisor Pell.
This resolution was declared duly adopted.
MR. DAVID DRISCOLL: If the county has this money to spend, it' s
all of our money, why dan' t they fix the North Road in front of
Van .Duzers between Youngs Avenue and Boisseau Avenue or are they
waiting for somebody to be killed before that thing is fixed?
SUPERVISOR PELL: We will discuss that before the day is out.
MR. DRISCOLL: I just wanted to enter that. If the county has
money to fix roads why can ' t they fix that?
COUNCILMAN DRUM: The new bridges are basically federal funds .
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SUPERVISOR PELL: Mr. Blass will be here a little bit later on
today. I suggest you ask about that portion of the road -to him.
I did receive a letter in my office, I think it w'as today' s mail ;
and. he addressed this very question. So when Mr.; Blass does come
in later on, before he goes home, nail him on it. ,
20, 21 and 22 you do not have.. They were given to us from
Mr. Dean today. We .had bids out for a couple of trucks , snow
fence and some T posts and I believe we are ready to award the bids.
20. On motion of Councilman Murdock, seconded by Councilman Drum, it was
RESOLVED that Kinney Chevrolet-Olds , Inc. , the lowest responsible
bidder on two (2) one ton cab and chasis trucks, be and hereby
are awarded the bid at $7, 119. 00 each, delivered to the Southold
Town Highway Department.
Vote of the Town Board: Ayes : Councilman Sullivan, Councilman
Murdock, Councilman Nickles ; Councilman Drum, Justice Doyen,
Supervisor Pell.
This resolution was declared duly adopted.
21. On motin of Councilman Drum, seconded by Supervisor Pell, it was
RESOLVED that Chemung Supply Corporation, the lowest responsible
bidder for supplying the Southold Town Highway Department with
500, more or less as may be needed, 6 ft . studded steel T posts
with. flanges or anchor plates on posts, posts shall not be less
than 8: 65 lbs. each, be and hereby are awarded the bid at $2. 77 each.
Vote of the Town Board: Ayes : Councilman Sullivan, Councilman
Murdock, Councilman Nickles,Councilman Drum, Justice Doyen,
Supervisor Pell.
This resolution was declared duly adopted.
22. On motion of Supervisor Pell, seconded by Councilman Drum, it was
RESOLVED that Agway, Inc. , the lowest responsible bidder for supply-
ing the Southold Town Highway Department with 10, 000 lin. feet, more
or less as may be needed, of Snow Fence with pickes 12 x 3/8 inches ,
spaced- 2 inches apart, 4 feet high stained red, , with five ( 5) double
strands of 122 gauge galvanized wire in 100 lin. foot rolles, be and
hereby are awarded the bid at $39. 00 per 100 ft . roll .
Vote of th.e Town Board: Ayes : Councilman Sullivan, Councilman
Murdock, Councilman Nickles, Councilman Drum, Justice Doyen,
Supervisor Pell.
This resolution was declared duly adopted.
SUPERVISOR PELL: That completes the agenda as prepared. I have
one announcement I would like to make. I think it is an interesting
one. This morning we had Dick Strang down from the Suffolk County
Department of Transportation. On August' llth Southold Town will
start what has been called the"Feeder Bus System" where a small bus
will serve th.e outlying areas of the Town and bring people into the
main stream. There will be two buses in Town. They will operate
out of -- the central one 'at Peconic Land, the new Semior Citizen/
Youth building. One will go west and one will go east. These buses
will meet at that point and turn around and go east and west of Town.
There are routes the Board went over today with Mr. Strang. Where
the buses: will go and how often they will go. These are experimental
routes . We know we have left areas of the Town out that we should
send thes-e buses in. We also realize we have put, areas of the Town
in where probably nobody will use the bus so therefore the first
month is going to be a little bit hectic. People will want to use
it and can' t and some will not take advantage to use it. On the
end of August, the first of September - September I should say
perhaps - the daily bus route from Greenport to -East Hampton will
be increased and will start at 7: 00 o' clock in the morning and
there will be a bus approximately every hour on the hour to
East Hampton. That bus will go up by the Riverhead Hospital,
Route 58, into Southampton, over by the Southampton Hospital, out
to East Hampton, turn around and come back. In August end the
feeder bus- route they hope to start it on the south side over in
East Hampton Township and bring it in there. This is a county
program costing about three and a half million dollars. It has
been in the works for some two years and is finally coming off
this year. We are the first township of the five east end towns
to start. We are going to start August llth. On August 13th
our county exec will come out here and perhaps take a ride on
the bus. Mr. Blass is going to be invited out hereto have a
little ceremony,perhaps,or press release on how it ' s going and
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that will be on August 13th. But the bus will officially start
on the llth. The county is going to come .out with some PR work
about it and we will go from there.
Any Board member have anything they would like to bring up?
Larry, Hank, John, George, Francis? (no response)
On motion of Supervisor Pell, seconded by Councilman Drum, it was
RESOLVED that a recess be called at this time, 3: 40 P.M. for the
purpose of holding two public hearings.
Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilman Sullivan, Councilman
Murdock, Councilman Nickles, Councilman Drum, Justice Doyen,
Supervisor Pell.
This resolution was declared duly adopted.
PUBLIC HEARINGS
3:40 P.M. in the matter of the application of Mary LePeter
for a permit under the provisions of the Wetland Ordinance .
3: 45 P.M. in the matter of a proposed Local Law to amend
Chapter 92 of the Code of the Town of Southold inrelation to
traffic regulations.
Meeting reconvened at 3: 55 P.M.
SUPERVISOR PELL: I would like the Board to consider the application
of Mary LePeter for construction of a dock and catwalk and ramp,
the hearing we just held and there was no opposition to it . It
was recommended by the Trustees and recommended by the Conservation
Advisory Committee.
COUNCILMAN MURDOCK: Since_ there,is no opposition and in the interest
of time. This is a dock that they would like to build and maybe the
.weather is - time to build a dock that we grant permission to Mary
LePeter on Application No. 49.
Moved by Councilman Murdock, seconded by Councilman Drum, :
WHEREAS, Mary LePeter applied to the Southold Town Board .for a
permit under th.e provisions of the Wetland Ordinance of the Town
of Southold, application dated May 8, 1980, and
WHEREAS., said application was referred to the Southold Town Trustees
and the Southold Town Conservation Advisory Council for their
findings and determinations, and
WHEREAS, a public hearing was held. by the Town Board with respect
to said application on -the 22nd day of July, 1980, at which time
all interested persons were given an opportunity to be held,
NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED that Mary LePeter be granted
permission under the provisions of the. Wetland Ordinance of the
Town of Southold for the construction of a CCA .treated timber dock
consisting of a 3 ft . by 8 ft. fixed catwalk, 3 ft. by 12 ft. hinged
ramp, and a 6 ft. by 12 ft —float secured by one piling at each end.
Dock to be 25 ft . south of northerly property line. at 3800 Deep
Hole Drive, on a canal off Deep Hole Creek, Mattituck, New York.
No dredging or other alteration to be done.
Vote of the Town Board: Ayes : Councilman Sullivan, Councilman
Murdock, Councilman Nickles , Councilman Drum, Justice Doyen,
Supervisor Pell .
This resolution was declared duly adopted.
SUPERVISOR PELL: To continue on with what I said at the beginning.
We will open the floor to the hospital now, who is here to make a
presentation. I think Greg Blass, perhaps . would like to start it
off. And Greg, before you go home, there is a gentleman down there
who has something he would like to ask, so don' t run out fast.
SUFFOLK COUNTY LEGISLATOR GREGORY BLASS : Thank you, Mr. Supervisor
and members of the Town Board: I will be very brief and tell you
that the purpose of my visit today is my desire to sponsor legislation
that will provide for a grant from the county legislature by the
county with either county funds or with federal or state funding
or a mixture of all those sources, for a matching grant to the Eastern
Long Island. Hospital,with funds of equal amount which .they will raise
by private fund raising efforts with a view towards paying the
one million dollar price tag 'for the Eastern Long Island Hospital
mental health facility and the expansion of the alcohol detoxification
unit they have there. These are both services that are. very strongly
and in a documented fashion have been proved to be very strongly
needed on the east end for east end residents and it is a facility
that would be designed for service of relatively short term and
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psychiatric cases, chiefly those that could be treated by not more
than a 45 day period. Without further ado I would .like, in an effort
to present this at last to the public and open the issue to public
questioning and hopefully the support from the Town Board of Southold,
as we have already received from the Village Board -of Greenport . I
would like to present three persons here today from the hospital.
First the President of the Board of Trustees of Eastern Long Island
Hospital -Mrs. Lois Callis. She will be followed, in not necessarily
this order, by Mr. Charles Kuebler the Administator of the hospital
and Dr. Earl Loomis, Chief of Psychiatry. Mrs . Callis . Thank you
very much for this opportunity.
MRS . LOISANNE R. CALLIS, President , Board of Trustees , Eastern Long
Island Hospital: Mr. Pell, members of the Board and residents of
Southold Town. On behalf of the hospital I would like to thank you
for giving us this opportunity today, to share with you some of our
hopes and plans .for providing our community with a much needed
additional facility at the hospital; a well planned, organized,
secure mental health unit. I feel sure that the lives of most of
you have been touched at one time or another by Eastern Long Island
Hospital. During this, our Diamond Jubilee year, you can hardly have
escaped reading or hearing that the hospital has been here for
seventy-five years providing health care services to all who come
to our door for help-; ,.whether with physical or emotional problem and
regardless of their ability to pay. What you may not realize
is what a dramatic and farsighted hope was in the minds of those
1905 citizens whose goal was to establish the first hospital in
Suffolk County. These people were not concerned about themselves.
They could afford to be treated at home by their private physicians .
Their concern was for the needy, those who could not afford health
care and had no means of traveling to the few hospitals, located in
the western counties. With a license from the New York State Board
of Chari.ties, Eastern Long Island .Hospital opened its doors in 1907
as a chari.table . institution supported by the Suffolk County community.
Although today our methods of payment for health care have changed
dramatically; ,th.roughout seventy-five years it has always been the
support of the community both morally and financially, that has kept
our hospital viable. If our plans for a mental health unit are
realized your community support is vital . While the mission of
those early founders has basically changed little over the years,
it was not until several years ago in its planning program. that
the Board of Trustees adopted a formal mission statement as follows:
The mission of Eastern Long Lslan.d Hospital is to provide qualified
health care and disease prevention education to all residents and
visitors. of Sbuth.old and Shelter Island,, seeking to serve the whole
pers:on .ph.ys:ically and mentally without invasion of the patient ' s
personal rights. In order to effect this mission, a committee made
up of Trustees and area residents sought to determine just what the
unmet health needs of .the community were. Six areas were then
identi.fied. . 1 . A physical therapy program. We have since been
able to open such a unit in the hospital. 2. An additional primary
care physician. We have been able to bring on staff and into the
community a number of new doctors including both primary care and
specialty physicians. 3. A heart diagnostic center. To serve
particularly our growing older population the Yaeger Cardiology
Department was opened complete with up-to-date ultra-monitoring
and stress testing equipment. 4. Ambulatory care, While recognized
as a need and plan in the 1972 construction program, this service
was stalled for a time due to contractor difficulties. However, our
new out-patient department commenced operation in'.May of 1979 .
5. Alcoholism and detoxification. Although area' residents have
been treated at the hospital for alcoholism almost since the doors
were opened, our seventh patient, as a matter of record, was treated
for this disease. We also now have formal arrangements with the
County of Suffolk to additionally treat migrant workers. The last
area identified as a community need was mental health and this still
remains an unmet health need. In the past mental health patients
have been treated -at the hospital on a scatter-bed basis . However,
the number of people requiring such treatment has increased markedly
over the past five to ten years and we: feel that our present methods
are inadequate. A proposal for a, separate mental health unit was
developed several years ago. Although this plan has the endorsement
and approval of the Board of Trustees, Administration and the hospital
medical staff, funding for construction has not been available. Now,
with an improved financial picture at - the hospital, with the help
of Greg Blass we are hopeful that the County of Suffolk will come to
the ass,i_stance of its oldest hospital by providing a construction
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grant and we hope that you too, as our founders did seventy-five
years ago, will be concerned for the unmet health needs of our
community and support our plans for a mental health unit to' meet
the needs of the East End. Mr. Kuebler, our Administrator, will
present to you some of the details and plans of our program- and
we thank you for having us here today.
MR. CHARLES E. KUEBLER, Administrator, Eastern Long Island
Hospital : As some of the planning background I ' d like to, if I
could, display to you a drawing of the area and somewhat an over-
view of our plans for the mental health unit . (Mr. Kuebler displayed
a drawing of the proposed mental health unit. ) As Mrs . Callis
mentioned, there is a lot. of planning going on and in part of the
process the hospital,with scheduled plans in 1972 to complete the
addition to the hospital `as well as the major project was to
renovate the hospital. This was to meet current needs, licensing
needs as well as the state code regulations for health care and
for operating within Suffolk County. To that extent the project
was begun, and as you all may know about the construction problems
that we ran into . In that course of events the Board was reevaluating
the process and the planning committee was still looking at what was
,projected. What was projected was 90 medical-surgical 'beds. Yet we
looked at our experience and found that rea-ly on an actual basis
the. 20, 000 population. that Eastern Long Island Hospital counts as
a primary service area, which is Southold Town and Shelter Island,
approximately -- they would only be able to fill approximately 59
beds on an average annual basis. To that extent they looked also
at what kind of services the hospital was providing and of course
AS men'tidifed, the main services were identified and mental health
was one of the key items. In the course of evaluating mental health,
one of the factors came into pay, what were its demands, what was
the minimum viability and what was the ned.d for the community. In
reviewing this very carefully it was found that the needs of the
community were not only for the Southold Town and Shelter Island
but also for the entire east end and a unit that would service only
Southold and Shelter Island would not be viable and would not be
able to function because it would .only require approximately five
beds. To that extent we reviewed the programing and needs of the
entire east end was undertaken. It was identified that a 19 bed unit
would be viable if it had the 'ability to shrink during the low census
period of time, during the summertime when medical-surgical demands
is the greatest and also be able to expand in the wintertime when
the mental health needs are the greatest. This has been documented
through. an independent evaluation of the demands for mental health
services on the east end by an independent firm Ernst and Winnie (sp) .
In the course of their documentation of this program they said that
a unit is definitely viable, a unit is definitely necessary which
also confirmed other independent studies by the Suffolk County Health
Services Division mental hygiene group as well as the state. And the
location of this unit in Eastern Long Island Hospital would certainly
be desirable in terms of the service to the east end not only to help
the hospital from a standpoint of financial but also more to. provide
the services that are greatly needed. Some of the things that were
reviewed i.n the course of this project and one of those was the fact
that Eastern Long Island has. been providing some mental health
services for many years . We do not identify by exactly the number
of years but we know it is more than the last ten years. Secondly,
we also have been providing services for alcohol patients going back
since 1907, as Mrs . Callis mentioned, th.e seventh patient . Thirdly,
the drug ,program where there have been needs of people for detox-
ification from abuse of drugs . These programs which. already have
been in place, services have been provided but have not -- some
of them need to grow more, others do .not need to grow as much. The
one area that is of greates need is mental health. To that extent
we looked at what type of services are available today, for the
east enders. The only services really that are available are
Catholic Charities,which is located in Mattituck, which. is an out-
patient counseling services; various psychiatrists and psychologists
practicing in their own private practices in their offices; Alternatives
Counseling with the North Fork Counseling Service located in various
areas through the east end and also we have Central Islip which is
a nearby mental health hospital. Any patient that requires mental
health hospitalization is required to be sent more than 50 miles
.to Central Islip for hospitalization. Of course as some of you know
there is a small unit located at . Mather Hospital, it is only a ten
bed unit. We understand that they have a waiting list there for
more than fifteen to twenty days. . Of course, somebody in need of
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these services is in need of services much quicker than waiting
for a remotely located unit . In the process of developing our
proj'ect. We .outline several areas . One is that we likelto serve
the east end. This is the minimum size that we could consider .
Secondly, we looked at the fact that we would only want to serve
short term patients. That would mean the maximum length of stay
of forty-five days. If the patients care required more than forty-
five days length of stay we would seek to transfer there perhaps to
Stony Brook or Central Islip. If that were to occur then we would
help with the reintegration of patients back into the community
when we felt it was appropriate for him to come back for that care .
The other factor in terms of projecting our operations and we looked
at an average length of stay of twelve to fifteen days. What we are
saying is we expect the majority, of patients to come in, obtain some
help; intensive counseling and therapy and be out and back in the
community functioning well rather than being put away like happened
many years ago. The area that was necessary is that we be available
for emergency. I think this area has been brought up frequently by
the local justices and also by the police department that they need
that type of support and backup services . Out program.,would provide
that . Another area that was addressed was chronic, the need for a
long term care. As we looked at this we looked at the mission of the
hospital we felt that providing long term care of a year or two years
length of stay was not in the hospital ' s mission. That was inappropriate
Therefore this is part of the reasoning behind setting the maximum
length of stay of forty-five days . Lastly we looked at the fact
that we would initially focus on in-patient services . Only secondarily
and later on to focus and work. with out-patient services . Under the
concept of get the patient , in, treat them, bombard them with care,
counseling, therapy, whatever ' is required, get them back into the
community under medical supervision and maintain them on an out-
patient basis . This removes them from being placed on the county
welfare rolls or whatever rolls 'it 'may be on to bring down tax funds .
Get them back functioning; not to hide them away. That is really
not out intention. The design of the unit was- developed on the
basis of providing maximum security. ;;Just for purposes of orientation,
over to where I am pointing right here 'is Manor Place, on the right
we have Townsend Manor Marina and the Stirling portion of Stirling
Creek. Over on this section is the Stirling Harbor Marina. This
area, of course,. we have Pell ' s fishing docks.. Our h.eli:pad is: located
out in this area right here. The area that was- added on to the
hsopital is this section that protrudes out toward Manor place.
The portion back here is the 1949 building that requires the.
renovation. The unit will be located on the 'second floor of
that building. The project that we propose is as outlined on
this sheet (indicating) . This area which 'is th:e area that we
most recently opened is the Two East Patient Area; it is this;
area here; it is immediately above the emergency room.. . .The
Two South Patient Area is the area:, the 1949 biAlding that would
be renovated in such a fashion to provide adequate to-islet facilities.
which are not there; to open up this stair tower for fire escape;
to install better updated electrical system and to'.:break. it up into..
private individual rooms . One of the advantages of individual
rooms is the fact that constantly the problem in the .hospi.tal is>
if you got a female in a semi-provate room, you got a female in
one bed, the other bed is locked out if you have a male: coming
in for admission. So this would give us the miximum flexibility
iwthout having that concern. Secondly, it is designed in such a
fashion that we would have a set of doors control pointing atIthis
point and a set at this point as well as, of course, on th.e main
stair tower going down. This would provide the maximum capability
of eighteen beds with the nursing station, quiet room. We .would
also have a dining area, separate dining area, whch. would have
a group therapy section as well as an occupational recreational
therapy and we would have offices where the psychologists and
psychiatrist , social worker and others would provide .counsel'i.ng
services to the patients. This rea,. when not required, or wheii
this area is required for medical-surgical services. could be shrunk
in such a fashion as to.. close off the door at the end by the
solarium here, open this door up (indicating) close another set .of.
doors by the nursing station and shrink the unit to a ten bed, yet
providing all of the services that we had in that unit. I'n addi.ton
to that , should serve the needs of an increase for 'medical--surgical
patients even greater . We would close an additional set of. doors
in this area and shrink it by another two beds, thus: permitting all
of these other areas to relate to the Two East Medical-Surgical
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Un, t anal P�, .c,our..se whe,n. winter.t me. .corries and we see the increase
in psychiatric demands we could open it up again and set back. To
this extent we would meet the requirements of maintaining a unit
that has all the services yet is still a .locked unit :, In other
words, locked, that means provide security for the public as well
as for the patient .. This is a two-way street . We like to protect
the patients so they can obtain the care they need at the same time
we would also like to protect the public. To that extent this
program would address some of the concerns that have been raised
about security. To review, just briefly, some highlights of the
program. We are looking at a short term care program. We do not
want patients coming into program that would require to stay a year.
It would tie up the beds, it would limit the ability to admit and
provide the care that we feel is really necessary for them. Secondly,
we are talking about a unit that would accept involuntary admissions .
Involuntary admissions are people who require health services but
do not necessarily know that they require them. To that extent we
would provide the services, appropriately notify the state as is the
state and requirement to keep them informed and also inform the
patient of their rights and their protection under the health code,
as well ad under the law. To that extent these patients would
be retained is we could bring them to a point where they would
willingly convert over and become voluntary patients; then they
would be maintained as voluntary. If we were unable to manage
them we would seek to transfer them out of the area to another
facility that is more appropriate and suitable for them. The
last item is the question that has been raised about security.
As mentioned, we do have a mixed unit where mental health patients
are through-out the hospital on a scatter-bed basis . Through this
program locked unit we can provide the securrty that is being
requested, that is a concern to all of us . Dr . Loomis if you
would like to speak of the medical points ------
R. EARL LQOMI.S : Mr. Pell , membersof the Board, fellow citizens .
I am Earl Loomis and I am a psychiatrist who has been in practice
out here about seven years full time and as an emergency weekender;
my emergencies. and patients emergencies for twenty five years . I 've
been working with the hsopital for the past six years and caring for
pateints as a liason psychiatrist . That means somebody who gets
, called in when an internist or surgeon or pediatrician has a problem
wondering if there is a psychiatric dimension to the .care of a
patient . In time the doctors here came to trust me to bring in my
own problems and they have been generous in allowing my patients
and me to make use of the hospital along with all other kind of
diagnosis that are admitted and we worked along together very
cooperatively and in fact I 've depended on the hospital and the
other physicians to render the quality of care that I believe is
appropriate to every psychiatric patient . I think they deserve
top notch medical care and the newly admitted person, like any
person deserves first rate diagnostic skills and clear cut differential
diagnosis so. that they are not treated for one condition when they
have another or not . treated for one condition when there are two
and consequently we 've had quite a lot of experience in working
alogn together with cases thatseem to be about 90% psychiatric
and other that seem to be about 107o. What we have had that we 're.
going with and what we ' re going to have if we admit a great many
more people is the need for privacy, the need for activities areas
and as has been mentioned before the need for- security . That means:
simply the fact that when people are apprehensive an anxious and
want to be alone or need to be along they will nto be forced into
the main stream of the hospital all at once . Thye can come into a
situation where they can have nurses who are specially trained
to work with their kinds of problems and there they can have group
activities to fill their time and not just have to sit and watch
other people ' s bottles drip. This is a great deal of empty time
for the psychiatric patient at the present time . We hope to fill
this with occupational therapy and group therapy as well as what
we are now offering them which has been, I am sure, quite beneficial .
We also hope to give the nurses which we already have, some of whom
had exceptional gifts and talents and some of them have exceptional
psychiatric skills and some even specific background in this area
a chance to work together as a team just as a cardiac team works'
together in intensive or other, on in coronary care. This chance
for team work is something that I very much look forward to and hope
we ' ll have to offer here . Back in 1907 when the -hospital was opening
its doors my father graduated from medical school and he told me
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somet�irhe_�.ago about his training in psychiatry which consisted of
a one afternoon visit to a med hospital . In those days psychiatric
hospitals consisted of distant places; places parked as far as '
possible from the main stream of life; places put out in�:the woods;
places put out in the country or on top of mountains or someplace
far off almost a Devil ' s Island kind of arrangement . Trouble was
with this arrangement was the patients, didn 't- get home again, they
often stayed long enough so that they prefered to stay 'of there
was no way back. One of the advantages that I 've seen happen since
I graduated from medical school thirty some years after rgiy father
was that within fifteen years of my graduation hosptials were no
longer being isolated, they were being built_'..in medical centers;
they were being built in university.°.centers; they were being built
in smaller communities and progressively smaller units . Units of
ten, twenty, forty, maximum of fifty beds . Twenty beds is a very
good round number. Eighteen, twenty, twenty-five. They are workable
numbers. They are numbers within which one can receive people,
diagnose them, give them short term treatment.'- get them back in
the community, sort them out , provide them with medical care and
perhaps one case in twenty-fivejperhaps one in twenty, provide
them with longer care through diganostic and appropriate transfer
to longer tern care institutions . We find it is very seldom and
it is becoming more seldom as we have more psychiatr:ts here to
help me; I have a full time associate now, Doctor Ninneger. It is
very seldom we can ' t provide, through the nurses, through the
hospital , through the other doctors, the care that ' s needed. We
are more and more oftener ablo-to provide the care and less and less
often have to transfer . But here we have a chance, a chance to
expand the unit and give deeper and better care and we have a
chance to provide the patients, a chance to stay within their
community, get back to their homes, get back to their marriages,
their families or jobs and have a follow up by physicians they
have known during their hospitalization. They won 't have to traipse
fifty or severty miles back for their follow=up visits -or change to
another doctor, they will have the continuity of care and that 's
important to me as a physician. I have explored with :the other
psychiatrists on the Island; there are seven on the south fork
and two in private practice in Riverhead and they share with me
their feelings almost unanimously that they are certainly could and
would use a unit closer to home, they wouldn ' t have to send patients
to Amityville if they could send them to Greenport . Moreever some
of them would like to take part in the active treatment and all of
them- in the after care for their patients that they refer in. In
other words, I think we ' ll have patients, I think we' ll have staff,
we 're going to have more psychiatrists coming as soon as we have
something for them to do and we certainly are going to be able to
train, from the nursing compliment we have, a good group working
together and especially with a, couple of senior people that will
help to supervise and a couple of additional full time people on
the staff in occupational therapy and so forth.: . . I see that security
then becomes something. of giving secuirty to the community. Look,
if you or I or my borther or your sister needs help, it 's here.
It 's secuirty for help, it 's security for privacy that they can go
in and have a place where while they are in need of it they can be
isolated temporarily but at the same time they are isooated and
surrounded by loving tender care and with good scientific care and
good theraputic techniques and know how and it gives a chance
to feel that thereis security for the community from people who
might wish to , in a moment of rage or illness to do harm and also
people tp be protected from their own selves . The harm this person
who gives harm or somebody who loses control is himself . Drivin-
his car into something or putting a gun to himself or something
else. Somehow, the commonest danger is to the patient himself. We
try and protect our patients and provide them secuirty and try to
provide the community security and we try to provide staff security .
I think we can do this a lot better if we have our own unit and our
own staff on hand and it will be a twenty - four hour source. Twenty-
four hours a day, weekends and all Various health units are closed
up, a lot of them close up on Friday afternoon. Come along four or
five o ' clock until Monday morning there isn 't anybody 'on call . We
at the hospital propose to be on call and would have a better service
to offer. I certainly would be happy to answer questions if there
are any.
SUPERVISOR PELL: Thank you very much, Dr . Loomis , Mr . Keubler?
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MR. KUEBLER: Supervisor Pell and Town Council, I wanted to --- we
wanted 'to make this presentationIto you :ih such a manner because
we 've often been accused of being more concerned about dollars than
we are about patient care. But I think all of you read some in the
paper, at least some of the material the hospital has put out in
reference to the fact that we have to operate like a business even
though we are not-for-profit hospital, even though we-;-exist premarily
for -care we have to use a lot of business techniques and technology
of operating a business. We primarily focused on care and the need
for it because that has been. one of the biggest questions, is there
a need for the services and I indicated that we documented through
an independent study that there is a need for an eighteen bed mental
health unit that we could fill on an average annual basis approximately
sixteen of those beds, on an average annual basis . Of course, that
leaves room for fluctuation up and down. The other area in terms
of finance is the importance of this unit . Several area the hospital
operates on a continuous and regular basis that are not profitable
and are not supportive of the hospital but costs money and in fact
costs more than the revenues that we bring in from our third party
insurance carriers and so forth. Many of these areas are integral,
are the. key ingredients of the hospital that we must provide as a
basis service to this community yet we cannot finance them because
the revenues fo not pay for the high cost of their operation. The
advanced technology that is required to be utilized in those areas.
To that extent mental health is an area where we can talk about a
service of high technology and excellent program we can provide and
yet it will be the reverse of those. It 's revenues that will bring
to the hospital will be much less than the cost we have to lay out
for it . Our reimbursement comes in on a basis that is equal to the
medical-surgical patient reimbursement yet the costs of operation
are much much less . This program we anticipate will offset those
losses from the other service areas that are absolute necessities
for the community. We 've heard a few rumors that, gee,. you know,
the hospital, thbadministrator of what ever it is, the hospital .
wants to change the hospital into a mental health facility. No,
that is not the purpose . Mental health and psychiatry can only
exist, it exists on an equal basis with medicine, surgery and
pediatrics and that i's what our sim is. But we also find though
that in the state a sixty-six bed hospital under reimbursement
formulas cannot survive. Moving to a ninety bed hospital' is great
but they have to be filled and you can 't fill them just on putting
patients in there because we also have a review program and it
checks to make sure every patient has to be there and I 'm. sure
many of you have heard about that program from time to time. This
program is providing a needed service, it brings in the additional
revenues that are needed very much by the hospital . Will it guarantee
the hospital 's future forever? No, I can 't answer that as affirm-
ative but I can tell you this, it will certainly make the hospital
much more necessary; an important facility in view of the state ' s
attitude of certain hsopitals are not necessary and are closed. It
will certainly improve out position financially for at- least the
next four or five years; that we know already. Is it the answer?
No, it is not , but it gives us greatly needed time that we need
to find the answer, hopefully look for a change in reimbursement
and secondly, it meets a need that exists right here in our community
and on the east end. Again, thank you very, much. for your time today
and we ' ll be glad to answer any questions that you might have.
SUPERVISOR, PELL: Thank you very much. The way I would like to do
this is let the audeince, anything they would like to ask any of
the hospital here I turn the floor over to you at this time, then
the Board last . Anybody on the floor wish to address anybody here?
MR. DAVID DRI$COLL: I 'd just like to ask Mr . Keubler, what do you
intend to do with the elderly people on this floor, who I believe
under state law, are qualified and should be in a nursing home?
I 'm not advocating that they put- put out, certainly not , But what
are you going to do with them?
MR. KUEBLER: That is a very good point, Mr. Driscoll . And I 'm glad
you did ask it because it has been one thatis of great concern to
us. We witness a couple of things,. and let me just point out by
state law we cannot put them out . There is a state law that outlines
that patients can only be discharged through levels appropriate to
their needs. What we have seen already in the month. of June,, we
have been carrying up until June 'for the last year and a half an
average consus of approximately eighteen of these patients that
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requir'.e a nursing home care rather than acute hospitalization. It
the _month of June we have seen that number drop to nine and it
continues to remain at about that level . Secondly, though, we 've
also been advised that there are major efforts going on down Island
to build additional nursing home beds to take these patients. And
it is our understanding, or we know already, that Sayville Nursing
Home has been reopened. Now that ' s quite a distance away. That
has 150 beds . We 've also been advised that planning has approved
three hundred beds in Smithtown and we also understand that another
three hundred nursing home beds have been approved in Patchogue.
These are all in the plan, they are not here today but they are
scheduled to be built late 1981, 1982 . To that extent we see that
although those beds per se would not affect Eastern Long Island
Hosepital because that is too far for us to transfer these nursing
home patients to, what would be happening is a tipple effect . The
hospitals close to these homes and nursing homes patients would
be moving there, vacancies would be created further east and as
they get closer to us then our patients that we have, the nursing
home patients, would be moving into nursing homes that are closer.
So this is going to create an entire ripple effect and we envision
that this number to return to a level of possibly two or three as
it was before 1978.
SUPERVISOR PELL: Aren 't a lot of those rooms unfisnished now? Isn 't
that the wing that ' s unfinished?
MR. KUEBLER: That ' s the wing that they began renovations on the
left hand portion or the northerly portion of that floor . The
southerly portion, the renovations were never begun at all . There
were a few pipe chasers put through, there was a ---heating was
taken out and on an emergency basis in 1977 they put back in
temporary heating and air conditioning which is what the area
operates with right now. That ' s where the majority of the nursing
home patients that Mr. Driscoll was speaking about are housed.
MR. DRISCOLL: Let me follow that With one more point . Ts it not
true that you do take drug patients that are paid for by the county?
MR. KUEBLER: Yes, that is true.
MR. DRISCOLL: Now, without superivison and without ---
MR. KUEBLER: We have been accepting these patients for over a
year and a half . We have part of the soft drug abuse program
with Suffolk county who provides the screening of these patients
before they are directed -to. us . They are voluntary admissions of
patients who are abusing soft drugs . Pills, barbituates, whatever
it is ---
MR. DRISCOLL: You had a few disastrous effects .
MR. KUEBLER: Well, there have been some periods of difficulty,
yes there have been and I think that is something that with the unit
we would propose that those patients be put near this unit, or if
not in the unit so that they would have beeter supervision. They
are supervised•_L now though
MR. DRISCOLL: Do you think it is a good thing to have them in the
proximity of regular patients in the hospital?
MR. KUEBLER We have found that it is very effective in terms of
their care . We have provided a lot of help to people who have
difficulty, that are abusing medications, particularly by taking
and getting two or three doctors prescriptions. Each of the three
doctors don 't know the ohter prescribed something and we 've been
able to help these people recover. This has- been a very successful
program to- that extent .
MR. DRISCOLL: Didn-'t you have to put some out?
MR. KUEBLER: No, we have not put any out . it is, a voluntary program.
If the patients don ' t want to voluntary participatein- the -program,
then there is no :reason for them to beat the hospital . It is with
any program. If the patient refuses to follow the doctor 's orders or
follow the nurse's directions or accept the care that we providethem
hen there is no real reason for them to be there because we
cannot be responsible for them.
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. MR. DRSICOLL: Isn 't it true that a drug addict either has a choice
of going to jail or going to the hospital?
MR. KUEBLER: I can 't answer that question . To my knowledge, no .
SUPERVISOR PELL: Thank you very much. Members of the Board do
they have anything they wish to address?
COUNCILMAN MURDOCK & COUNCILMAN DRUM: We-.,want to thank them for
coming.
SUPERVISOR PELL: We thank you and I 'm going to ask the Board to
think this over and it will be on the agenda the next time the Board
meets to see if we can come up with a resolution of support that
is appropriate.
COUNCILMAN NICKLES : Mr . Kuebler, at one time you and I had a very
informal discussion as to the eventual state take-over of the hospital .
Where does that stand and where does Eastern Long Island stand relative
to that process? Is that still an ongoing process?
MR. KUEBERL: Again I would like to say that is a very good question.
Where that stands right now is that recommendation or request by the
Board of Trustees to the state to consider that action with relation-
ship to Stony Brook. But I would consider it being put on the back
burner . It is . still there . There is no action being taken for or
against it . Just to point out as I mentioned before, the adoption
and development of the mental health program is not an ultimate
solution to the hospital 's problem. Out cost containment efforts
have been very effective by what we 've been able to accomplish as
outlined in our annual report . We continue those cost containment
efforts . We also look to serve the community and by providing for
more of their needs . Mental health is another step in that direction.
The problem we still face as any small hopsital faces is the State
of New York, is the reimbursement program. And if thereis no
relief for that program the ultimate of moving twards the state,
the state to pick up Eastern Long' Island Hospital and operate it
in this community for the benefit of this community will probably
be the only solution other than closure of the hospital totally
and cessation of that service .
COUNCILMAN NI'CKLES : What you're saying then, is that basically
this is the trustees prescription for the patient which is
the hospital to survive. How much time in the future before you
need another program or is that going to bring us into that period
where we 're going to be living, so to speak, and the state comes in
and says this hospital, that hospital, we ,.re ,goi-1ng<!to cofttinue:ihelping_ .t ,
those hospitals. I can ' t think of the hoppital in the city --nothing
happened there and boom they ' re gone. I don' t know if I 'm phrasing
my questions properly ---
MR. KUEBLER: I think I know the direction you're heading and . I
know Mrs . Callis would like to speak on it .
MRS. CALLIS : I ' d like to address that if I may becuase being.
President of the Board of Trustees -- it is the repsonsibility,
of the Board of Trustees to keep the hospital viable and as Mr .
Kuebler said, oae of the roots that we are looking for when we
were having quite severe financial problems was: the :pos-s bili.ty:
of some kind of merger with the state. I think that we have 'to
look for, John, is this : hospitals are being helped to survive
today on the crisis basis which you mentioned. There are even
a number of bills before the senate now to help hospitals as. they-
reach the crisis basis . What we are trying to do is to keep this
hsopital going and surviving and laying plans so that we never
reach that crisis basis, because then the state may say, well, we
don 't consider you little sixty-six bed hsopi.tal in rural Long
Island a necessary facility. What is discouraging to us is the
fact that the state still has really not come with plans- to
help those hospitals survive, not the crisis state, but on going
survival . There are a number of new methodologies . New Jersey is
experimenting with a highly different methodology of reimbursement .
The health committee in the senate is supposed to have been for the
last eight weeks come out with a new methodology. What where trying
to do is survive until those new, methodologies come out and we think
at that time the whole health system and the whole reimbursement
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system in New York State has got to improve, it cannot get much
worse . Does that answer your questions? It is s thing that we
are trying to do to keep until some kind of a new system comes
out . This merger with Stony Brook was just one thought along the
path.
COUNCILMAN NICKLES : That merger is out with Stony Brook?
MRS. CALLIS : Not out , as Charlie said, on the back burner .
COUNCILMAN NICKLES : That ' s where you were hoping to be come
affiliated in terms of teaching interns?
MRS. CALLIS : Right, that they would be sending physicians out here
to do samily practice and work in a rural setting that they ' re not
used to and we would have the sophistication of the Stony Brook
University .
COUNCILMAN NICKLES: And what is it you want the Town Board to
do?
MR. KEUBLER: We are asking for the Town Board's endorsement of
the mental health service program so that we might continue to
provide the care and expand the -- to providing the care to the
residents of the Town of 4outhold, Shelter Island, the east end.
SUPERVISOR PELL: Any other Board members wish to say anything?
If not , on behalf of the Town Board I want to thank you people,
Mrs . Callis, for coming, Charlie, Dr . Loomis and we will turn the
floor over now to anybody who would like to address the Board from
the floor.
JULIUS KINEZEL: I am here on behalf of a group of petitions who
sign regarding the noise problem that was referred to a little while
ago . In the early fall of 1979 the residents of New Suffolk,
particularly "those on First Street , Second Street, King Street ,
Main Street and even as far as Orchard Street , which is three blocks
away, approximately, have been subjected to loud and unnecessary
noise between the hours of 10 : 00 P.M. and 3 : 00 A.M__, specifically
on weekends and sporadically at other times during the week. The
noise eminates from the establishment known as Captain Ahab 's located
on Fist Street Between King and Main Streets in New Suffolk. The
noise is so loud that is is preventing the residents from proper
sleep and is now jeopardizing our won mental and physical health.
Repeated calls to the police have only resulted in further frustration
The police report that they have no noise ordinance to enforce, thus
allowing the situation to continue, a fact I find is incredible, no
noise ordinance . It implies that anyone can make any loud noise
any time during the night and not be prevented from doing so . I
have some pamphlets that I will pass out to you regarding the effects
of noise on your health, it ' s called "Noise Makes You Sick", put out
by the New York City government and they got it from the federal
government . I am also in possession of a tape recording that I
made on July 13th between the hours of 1 : 00 and 2 : 00, not being
able to sleep because of the noise which I would like to pay for
you now so that you understand why we 're so upset about this .
(Mr . Kinezel played his tape recording. ) You are just thirty feet
away. This tape was made about fifty feet away inside a building.
As you heard, out health is in jeopardy, isn ' t it? Our little
hamlet, as in Southold, consists of working adults and children,
old and retired people, like you have here, and some of them are
sick and needing restful surroundings and as a matterof fact there
is one resident I know of personally on King and Main Street who is
under a doctor ' s care for a serious illness and the only time this
poor woman can get relief from constant pain is when she ' s asleep
and to have her suddenly jarred awake between th'e hours of 10: 00
P.M. and 3 : 00 in the morning because of drag racing cars and othe-
noise coming from this establishment is more than cruel, it is
inhuman . Now, King Street between Captain Ahab ' s, this was known
as Harbor Inn and was a quiet local pub. I live directly behind,
approximately 180 feet from the property line and in my nine years
of residence I. never heard a sound from there, not from Harbor Inn,
although he had a juke box. Almost immediately from the time the
present owner took possession we have been subject to this noisy
outrage . Captain Ahab ' s apparently is desirous of appealing to a
small group of a certain type by advertising rock disco sounds as
far away as Riverhead and other localities . The hamlet of New
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Suffolk does not require a disco type of establishment for the
furtherment of the community. A noise ordinance is not only needed
but it is vital is we are to preserve the unique- charm and tranquility
of our beautiful area as well as preserving our health. The members
of the Town Board had an obligation to the voters, taxpayers and
our senior citizens and especially to the children to see to it that
we are not subjected any longer to this threat to our health. Some-
thing can be done and you have the power to legistlate a noise
ordinance so that the police can act effectively. Thank you.
FRANCIS KARG, 13 King Street, New Suffolk: What Mr . Kinezel is
talking about is the noise . Now, it ' s not so much -- that ' s
true, but if you check the police blotter you ' ll find that between
11 : 00 o 'clock 12 : 00 o ' clock and 5 : 00 o ' clock Sunday morning, that 's
Saturday 23 : 00 Satruday night to 0500 hours Sunday morning you' ll
find at least two or three phone calls . You' s think you 're at the
Riverhead Speedway the way they come out . You can check with Dean
down at the DPW how many full stop signs he put up . You can check
with the neighbors how much-property damage they 've had. You can
check with Captain Marty when they urinate in his telephone booth
and.:.he lives, Loria lives right down the street . But you cannot
get a police officer down there either in an, unmarked car, either
in a patrol car . If they do show up, it should not be for us to
call . If you've got a trouble area and you 've been notified about
it and it 's going on for two years and it ' s meted down to six
hours a week and you can 't have a man there, you 're so tied up
with manpower that you can' t have a man there? You read in the
paper where .Justice that he has rapped them for fines. for
unsafe leaving of the curb. In other words they can often - spinning
rubber . Take a ride down New Suffolk Avenue down by Wickham1`9
old house, look at the skid marks in the road. That ' s all from
them. We got beer bottles, we got everything in our place and I
mean I can ' t understand why if this has been going on since 179,
he started in March, we can't have a police officer down there at
3 : 30 when the gin mill is supposed to be closed, or do they have
the thing that they got a right to do it? I mean, I can ' t under=
stand it . And also , if you check your assessment rolls , which isl...",t �.
your business, but it is mine, we get rapped all the time in
assessment for an improvement on our homes . He made his improve-
ment in the spring of 179 and his assessment hasn ' t been changed
yet . But I 'm told when I did a shingling job on a 5 by 12 extension
that I got my assessment raised. And he did a whole building. I 'm
not talking about the inside . And there is no change in his assessment .
Now, I don 't know whether the grape vine goes this deep or just as
deep as the front office but I mean there should be no excuse. Can
you tell me why you can ' t -- why they are so tied up with police
power, you 're not shorthanded.
SUPERVISOR PELL: The Police Committee will be' meeting in the next
day or two with the chief of police and this will be discussed. I
have not discussed it with the chief of police other than hearing
you folks say - hearing what you have to say then we will call the
chief of police in and see what we can do .
MR. KARG: If you go down last year at this time, I went down and
gave my name and address and everything else to their man on the
desk and all and there should be no occasion where - if you have
a tough spot in Town you know yourself if it ' s in your business
you know enough to watch yourself for the next spin around, if
you can 't you know what they all say when you get it the ,second
time, God forgive me .
SUPERVISOR PELL: We will be working on this, The Town Board will
work on it --the Police Committee ---
MR. KARG: Last night I don ' t know which was louder, but I know ,
which lasted longer . The band, the band and the people leaving
the place, the thunder storm lost . They out the thunder
storm. You don ' t stir the pot up unless somebody starts stiring,
you up .
MR. TOM..FLURRY, New Suffolk: We don ' t deny the man making a living,
but why should some of the others in the area be disturbed? You
can go up and if you report to the police they ' ll tell y9u, we know
who is doing it- but got to catch him in the act . They are never
around to catch him. There is one car in particular, we can even
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give you the license number, That is causing all the havoc and you
get no satisfaction if you call up they tell you, well, the man has
to make a living, and they give you a lot of double talk. Or they
are tied up with a three car accident , that ' s a good one . I 've had
that several times . Then they want to know who ' s calling, how old
you are, as if you are in the advanced age of senility. I don 't see,
well, it 's a common statement now, if you want the police you don' t
dial 911, you dial 7-11 and you' ll probably get them. You know what
I mean . They 're always head-on talking to one another .
COUNCILMAN SULLIVAN: I 'm sympathetic to your problem. There are
just two things, I lived on New Suffolk Avenue from 1973 to 175.
That was always a speedway. That situation hasn ' t changed, okay,
when that wasn 't there. Second, have you approached the owner to
ask his cooperation?
MR. FLURRY: I have nothing to do with it .
COUNCILMAN SULLIVAN: Has anyone here approached the owner?
Many times or never?
MR. KINEZEL: Certainly one of the reasons why I didn ' t go there
personally was because if he can thumb his nose at the police and
he gives me a snotty answer I lose control . I don 't want to do
that . That ' s why I didn't go and I called the police to shut them
up .
COUNCILMAN DRUM: Where we don ' t have a noise ordinance in this
Town there is ---
MR. KINEZEL: That ' s incredible.
COUNCILMAN DRUM: I say we don 't have a noise ordinance. There is
another approach that can be taken. Mr . Tasker? Citizens disturbing.
the peace?,
TOWN ATTORNEY TASKER: Just .from the people that are in this room,
it is a public nuisance:;. obviously and so that has been on the books
from the Pilgrim days . There is no reason in my view why the police
can 't use that .
MR. KINEZEL: You said public nuisance. It is much more than a
public niusance . Read that (referring to pamphlet "Noise Makes
You Sick" .
.SUPERVISOR PELL: All right . I will read it . Let me say this in
response to all that is being said here today. The Town Board Police
Committee, which I am on, Councilman Drum and Councilman Nickles, will
be meeting with the Police Chief in the very near future to discuss
several problems throughout the Town and this is one that we will
highlight on and go into great details on and I will get back to
one of you, whoever you care it to be. Does anybody else wish
to be heard?
MR. JARVIS VERITY: Mr . Pell and Southold Town Board, I 'm over here
to find out how you gnetlemen made out with the Gull Pond situation,
about the boats tied up over there .
SUPERVISOR PELL: We have not got anything back from Albany yet .
We are waiting until we get a reply back from them.
MR. VERITY: Okay, thank you very much.
SUPERVISOR PELL: Anybody else wish to be heard?
MR. ANDREW GOODALE, New Suffolk: Town Board, I am Andrew Goodale
from New Suffolk and I was asked by Mr . Kinezel as to what could be
done in order to stop the nuisance that he complained about . I had
done a little research into the fact that in the Penal Law there is
a statute that specifically states that unnecessary noise is a common
nuisance to which -the council refers . It would appear to me that if
we have sufficient members of the community of New Suffolk who are
inconvenienced and not only an inconvenience but definitely annoyed
that the Town Board has some obligation to take some action. I had
spoken to Chief Cataldo about this and he had indicated that he would
be in liason withi;the Town Board in connection with a noise ordinance .
There are several noise ordinances which are on the stature books and
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I believe that we' subscribe to now a Town supplement that comes through
from Spencerport . I believe, New Yrok, in which they will give the
Town Board the advantage of what they have and it will be the type
of an ordinance that will have some teeth and what it would appear
to me to be is that it would have to be specified as to what the
decibels would be, what constitutes unnecessary noise and that
there would be some enforcement . Now this is something that also
has the attention of the New York State Department of Environmental
Conservation and if I can quote the newspaper article correctly, they
have a situation where the DA' s now will be given some input into
what constitutes unnecessary noise.. So I am asking that in the
event that this matter is to be put down again that it be scheduled
for an evening hearing in which many many New Suffolkers probably
will attend and that my particular interest here is to see that Mr .
Kinezel has some representation in terms of suitable legislation
to eliminate a commonlaw nuisance of noise .. Thank you very much.
SUPERVISOR PELL: Thank you, Mr. Goodale. Anybody else wish to.
address the Town Board: If:"not, the motion is in order to adjourn.
On motion of Councilman Drum, seconded by Councilman Sullivan, it was
RESOLVED that there being no further business to come before this
Town Board meeting adjournment be called at 5: 00 P.M.
Vote of the Town Board: Ayes : Councilman Sullivan, Councilman
Murdock, Councilman Nickles, Councilman Drum, Supervisor Pell .
This resolution was declared duly adopted.
e'4dith T. Terry
Town Clerk