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HomeMy WebLinkAboutTB-06/09/1981 213. SOUTHOLD TOWN BOARD June 9, 1981 WORK SESSION 8 :45 A.M. - .The Board began the audit of the bills. 9: 05 A.M. - Joy Askey,' Long Island Cableyision appeared before the Board to introduce herself. Ms . Askey stated they have completed construction of all the areas promised two years ago. Starting in 1982 Cablevision will begin to rebuild the system, a project which will take between 2 to 22 years. Once completed there will be many more channels. She also stated they are moving the movie channel to mid-band. 9: 30 A.M. - David E. Kapell appeared before the Board to offer his services in the area of community development needs. He is most interested in assuming the function that Pan Tech is providing for community development funds at a competitive price. His colleague Bob Scheiner who presently is providing this service for Riverhead would be working with him. Mr . Kapell ' s contract with Greenport Village allowed for up to 35 hours per month at $30. 00 per hour, plus health benefits, use of the copy machine, etc. If he could get the same type of contract from the Town of Southold both he and Mr. Scheiner would be willing to work within those figures. Mr. Kapell would like to see the Town hire a full time employee here in Town Hall who could be trained by him. He said that most grants provide 20% of the grant for administrative services and he feels he could work within such a. budget . 9 :45 A .M. - James I . Monsell, Greenport Village Superintendent of Public Works met with the Board to inform them of a proposed agreement between the Village and Photocircuits of Aquebogue wherein the Village will allow Photocircuits to truck treated industrial wastewater to the municipal treatment plant for . eventual disposal through the Village outfall into Long Island Sound. Photocircuits is the holder of a SPDES permit . Each load will be tested before being put into Greenport ' s wet well and it will not affect the treatment , process at the Greenport plant , nor will it affect the scaven&er waste study process that is going on for Greenport/Southold/Shelter Island. Mr. Monsell said they are still in the negotiations stage, but if the proposal works out, the Village will earn about $25, 000. 00 per year under the contract . He said it has been determined it will have 'no effect on the waters of Long Island Sound as the waste has been tested in this respect. ---There was discussion relative to the use of this treated waste for the cooling system of the proposed solid waste management plant. EXECUTIVE SESSION 10: 10 A. M. - Anna Audioun and Lawrence Timpa of the Suffolk County Human Rights Commission appeared before the Board to veri y whether they have sufficient evidence to an illegal discrimination case. After several preliminary questions of e Board, they were asked to submit their questions in writing.. In turn, the Town Board will submit to them a statement as to why the persons selected for employment were chosen. 10: 30 A. M. - Completed audit of the vouchers. 11 : 00 A.M. - The Board began reviewing the agenda. Councilman Murphy suggested to the Board that a larger committee o interested people be selected to study the proposed municipal solid waste plant . He feels they should sit down and start eve oping ideas—and getting input from other people. 214 JUNE 9 , 1981 Supervisor Pell recommended that the frozen senior citizen funds e reinstated as the Nutrition Program is back on its feet after receiving an additional $13, 000. 00 funding from the County. The Board agreed this should be done. Supervisor Pell outlined the senior citizen' s, budget: Mattituck group sent $950. 00, balance to date $954. 00. Southold group spent $1156-00, balance to date $1218 . 00. Southold-Peconic group spent $700. 00, balance to date $1020. 00. 11 : 30 A.M. - William Price of McMann-Price Insurance Agency met with the Board. He stated that Utica Mutual bid on the Town' s insurance with the assumption that the police professional liability would remain in force with the: i�T erif s Insurance. Since 1e Town has dropped that policy,. Utica proposes to cover the police in this area for $3, 973. 00 on liability and $1, 600. 00 on the umbrella. Mr . Price feels the company is justified in this respect. Councilman Nickles questioned why the additional $1, 600. 00 charge is required on the umbrella since at the first of the year there was no additional charge when. Utica assumed the Town had the Sheriff' s policy. Mr. Price will find out and get- back to the Board on this question. Insurance coverage on Town oiuried public buildings was dis- cussed. Some of the buildings that are listed on the American Appraisal report are not covered by insurance. The five bath- houses at Southold Town Beach, Norman E. Klipp Marine' Park, McCabe' s leach, Kenney ' s Beach and Goose - Creek Beach are not covered. It was decided they should each be covered for $4, 000. 00 at a total cost of $80. 00. The police steel tower -valued at $2 , 500. 00 is insured at $1, 500. 00. It was decided to increase this to $3, 000. 00 at a cost of $12 . 00. The gas pump lean-to at Police Headquarters valued at $3, 300. UO is insured for. $1, 500. 00. This will be increased to, $3, 000. 0'0 at a cost. of, $12. 00. The Senior Citizen/Youth Center is insured at $170, 000. 00. American Appraisal does not have this listed, therefore it has not been appraised. The Board will wait for their appraisal. ' The contents of that building will be insured at $10, 000. 00 at a cost of . $40. 00. The Southold Town ,Eall is insured for $660, 000. 00. and appraised for $863, 000. 00. It was decided to increase this to $700, 000. 00 at a cost of $160. 00. Discussed a letter of William Mullen relative to 'coverage .of public officials. Mr. Mullen has indicated there is no cover- age. Mr. Price produced a copy of the polic-y from Forum Insurance which confirmed that there is a policy in effect. 12 : 10 P.M. = John Pietrodangelo of First Town Florist met with the Board to discuss his denial of a: zoningappeal to use half of his two family dwelling on the Main Road, Southold as a florist shop. Mr . Pietrodangelo asked if the Board has any plans to rezone the area on the Main Road and was advised the Board has never discussed such rezoning. Mr. Pietrodangelo said he is considering an Article 78 action. 12 : 25 P.M. - Lunch. 1:45 P.M. - Reconvened work session. Councilman Drum informed the Board he had received a telephori.e .call from John Guldi, Division of Waterways, Suffolk County Department of Public Works concerning a. letter he had received from the Town Trustees regarding dredging in' 'Southold' Tbwn., They made a suggest- ion for location of the spoil at Corey Creek, asked dredging be held off at Mill Creek until th-e tern colony leave, and asked the County to knock the point off the east side of the entrance to Mill Creek when they dredge. Mr. Guldi is puzzled as to what to do now.. At the May 5th meeting. of the Town Board, which he attended, he. was advised by the Trustees they would not interfere with the scheduled dredging plans of Town creeks this year, but would like to review and comment on the 1982 projects. Now this letter has arrived and it could possibily place the dredging projects in jeopardy. Councilman Nickles suggested that Supervisor Pell send a letter to the Trustees reminding them to review the Town Board minutes of May 5th concerning their agreement with the Town Board on dredging projects. JUNE 9 , 1981 215 2: 00 P.M. - Continued `to review 'a;'en`da 2: 50 P. I. - recess for five wetland application hearings to be held from 3: 00 P.. 11. through 3: 20 P,M. 2- 40 P. M. - Reconvened work session . Off Agenda Items: 1 - Typewriter service agreement for machine used by Christine Stulsky. 2 - Fire Coordinators in need of ;sirens, speakers and lights at a cost of $981. 00. Supervisor Pell will go over the budget to see where the money is to come from. 3 - Request from Attorney Tom Twomey for Town of Southold to file an amicus brief with the Appellate Division in the matter of the Long Island Farm Bureau in an Article 78 proceeding against the N.Y. S. Board on Electric Generating Siting in the environment , challenging their decision to approve a coal "plant at Jamesport . Supervisor Pell will contact the County to see if the Town of Southold can join the County in their action . 4 - Letter from Joseph Frohnhoefer stating the Southold B ranch of the Greenport-Southold Chamber of 'Commerce will hold "Founders' 'Days" July loth and llth. Since the time is short , each member of the Town Board will contact Mr. Frohnhoefer with any ideas or thoughts they might have. EXECUTIVE SESSION 3: 55 P. M. - Discussed the following: 1 - Office personnel. 2 - ale of Town Court Building at Cut.chogue. Met with Lieutenant Winters concerning: 1 - Police personnel. - 2 - Part-time Bay Constables. 3 - Parking prohibitions and possible Code amendments . 4 - Trespassing at Laurel Lake - Highway Superintendent ' Dean to erect a steel barrier. - Councilman Nickles suggested the Board might look into the cost to outfit and staff the beach at Laurel Lake for the 1982 season. 5 - Responsibilities of the Bay Constable in rescue situations. 6 - Repair of the Boston Whaler- 7 - Received two of the new police cars, other three will be delivered shortly. 8 - Emergency radios for 'lifeguards. 9 - Peddling Permit appeal of Gary Costas. 10 - Dispose of the Scout and American Hornet vehicles to a junk dealer. 5 :20 P.M. - Work session adjourned. A regular meeting of the Southold Town Board was held on Tuesday, June 9 , 1981 at the Southold Town Hall, Main Road, Southold, New York. Supervisor Pell opened the meeting at 7 : 30 P .M. with the Pledge of Allegiance to the Flag. Present : Supervisor William R. Pell, III Councilman Henry W. Drum Councilman John J. Nickles Councilman Lawrence Murdock, Jr . Councilman Francis J. Murphy Town Clerk Judith T. Terry Town Attorney Robert W. Tasker Absent : Justice Francis. T. Doyen 216 JUNE 9 , 1981 On motion of Councilman Drum, seconded by Councilman Murphy, it was RESOLVED that the following audited vouchers be. and hereby are approved for payment : General Fund Whole Town bills in the amount of $112 , 032. 33; General Fund Part Town bills in the amount of $291 ,.270. 64 ; Highway Department bills in the amount of $151 , 450. 65; Fishers Island Ferry District bills in the amount of $22, 255. 24; Delinquency Diversion and Prevention Project bills in the amount of $728 . 35. Vote of the Town Board: Ayes : Councilman Murphy, Councilman Murdock, Councilman Drum, Supervisor Pell . Absent :.- Councilman Nickles. This resolution was declared duly adopted. On motion of Councilman Murphy, seconded by Councilman Drum, it was RESOLVED that the minutes of the May 26, 1981 meeting of the Southold Town Board be and hereby are approved. Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilman Murphy, Councilman Murdock, Councilman Drum, Supervisor Pell. Absent : Councilman Nickles . This resolution was declared duly adopted. On motion of Councilman Murphy, seconded by Councilman Drum, it was -RESOLVED that the _next regular meeting of the Southold Town Board will be held at 3: 00 P.M. , Tuesday, June 23, 1981 at the Southold Town Hall , Main Road, Southold;. New York. Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilman Murphy, Councilman = ` Murdock, Councilman Drum, Supervisor Pell. Absent : Councilman Nickles . This resolution was declared duly adopted. I . REPORTS - SUPERVISOR PELL: These reports are all placed on file with the Town Clerk ' s Office.. If anybody cares to review them they can do so by contact- ing the Town Clerk. 1. Audit done by the Fisher Island Ferry District . This is on file. It is a good report . It says the ferry company didn ' t lose as much money last year as it did the year before. Their books have been checked by. an auditing firm. 2. Supervisor ' s monthly report for the previous month, May 1981. The Town Board did- review it .closely. 3. Town Clerk' s monthly report (May 198.1) . 4. Police Department' s monthly report (May 1981) . 5. Fishers Island Ferry District ' s monthly report (May 1981) . 6. The Highway, Mr. Dean' s monthly report (May 1981) . 7. The Building Department ' s monthly report, building inspector month -of May. For information sake, the total estimate of building permits that were given out , once everything is built would be $704, 000. 00. 55 permits given out last month. 8. Assessor ' s monthly report (May 1981 ) . 9. Judge Tedeschi' s monthly report (May 1981 ) . 10. Judge Rich ' s monthly report (May 1981) . We will move to Councilmen reports. We will start with Councilman Murdock on a trip we made to New Jersey. COUNCILMAN MURDOCK: Last Tuesday the Town Board traveled down to Mt . Laurel, New Jersey to see a demonstration of hurning minicipal_ solid waste. We have a proposal that ' s being put before us to burn municipal-solid waste and generate electricity with the steam produced by burning this solid waste. It ' s a technology that there is none of currently working in the country. Previously the best way to--and most economical way to burn municipal solid waste was to provide steam. and sell to a steam customer. One plant that we visited was in the University of New Hampshire. Obviously it ' s a big facility and uses a lot of steam. There is another. one in Salem, Virginia that uses the steam to dry the material for backing rugs by Mohawk Carpet Company. - Unfortunately in. Southold Town we don ' t have clients available to use steam so we are looking into the generation of electricity. This man by the name of Trofe has some European patents, will produce a high pressure steam for the generation of---capable of generating electricity. The environmental impact on this system for those of us who are a little bit over the age of thirty-five remember that .when we drove past our local incinerator if -the wind was in the right direction we didn ' t really feel like having lunch that day. With .-their new technologies you can walk around the building, you can roll around in the pile of JUNE 9 , 1981 217 garbage if you wish, you won' i",s-mell'"a thing. They have what they call a reverse flow of air in that they draw the air into this furnace which fuels the furnace so all of the odors are effectively sucked into the furnace and burned. The stack emissions, because it burns at such a high degree of temperature and a new form of what they call a bag house operation where the steam or the gas that would go up the smoke stack is put through cloth filters . The stack emissions environmentally are 15 to 20 times the allowable limits. The ash ,again because of its temperature, is neutral. It doesn ' t pollute the groundwater. We on the Town Board are very interested in this process because of the lack of danger to our environment . It' s a--I ' ll just quote one figure as a comparative example--if we participated in the Five Town Program that was recommended to us by Holzmacher-McLendon in conjunction with the New York State Department of Environmental Conservation--one item in their report was transporting municipal solid waste from Cutchogue to Southampton where they plan to build a Five Town Incinerator. That one item would cost the Town $400, 000. 00 a year . This firm will burn all of our garbage at--right now their prelim- inary offer to us is about $350, 000. 00 a year and that is the total cost of construction, burning everything, providing everything so on top of us being interested because of the environmental reasons, it looks like it might be a satisfactory cost effective way to solve our problem in that we must close our landfill before 1985 and the Town Board, all the Town Board was there and Town Attorney was there and our Highway Superintendent was there and today we will have--you .will hear a resolution put forth that we are empowering . this company too sit down for preliminary talks with the New York State DEC to see whether they will give us permission to use this system in the Town of Southold and then hopefully go forward from there. Thank you, Bill-. SUPERVISOR PELL: Thank you. Councilman Drum will report on a meeting he had with the Zoning Board, Planning Board. COUNCILMAN DRUM: The committee appointed by this Board consisting of Councilman Nickles, Town Attorney Tasker and myself have been meeting some time with the Building and the Zoning and Planning Departments. At present we are currently reviewing our zoning code to update---our whole code infact---but currently we are on the zoning. This is a long tedious process and it is expected it is going to take several more months before we finish. I would like very briefly to report on a phone call that I received from the County today and expressed the concern as . to the fact that the Board of Trustees had gone directly to the County requesting a holdup dredging of one of our creeks which had been previously approved. It is perhaps a misunderstanding with the Board of Trustees and the Town Board and I understand that the Supervisor is going to send a letter to the Trustees and hope we straighten it out so we can get our creeks dredged this summer. SUPERVISOR PELL: Yes, the Supervisor will send a letter as directed by the Board. I ' ve been famous for sending letters. I sent one to all of you under the direction of ' the Board. who .are here tonight . Councilman Murphy, street lights. COUNCILMAN IMURPHY: Yes, Bill, we have scheduled for next week probably, hopefully our final inspection of all the street lights in the Town. We need about one more day and then a policy will be formulated and presented to the Town Board and to the people on where lights should be, how they .should be installed, what size they should be and .setting up a priority system. There are many inadequacies in the system as it is existing and we' re trying to correct this . There is a federal grant available for lights. There are a lot of lights that are really unnecessary, they' re very high energy users and we would like to eliminate this and go into a program of reflectors which is very very effective for driving at night on these roads where we really can' t afford to light up every street . So what we' re trying to do is establish a priority to see what should be lit . High density population areas, school areas, shopping areas , this type--road intersections, so that people would be able to read the road signs and find what street they' re at and in order to cut down on the cost , the yearly cost to the Town for the 218 JUNE 9 , 1981 electricity and the bulb replacements, to go into a reflector program to outline. What it does, as you drive along your headlights pick up the reflectors and they will actually line the road for you and make it a heck of a lot easier driving at night and then what we hope to do is' have all street corners and bad curves, this type of thing, ],it so that you would be warned and you would understand what ' s going on. We should be having this probably by the month of July we should have our final recommendations . Thank you. SUPERVISOR PELL: Councilman Nickles will report on the beaches . COUNCILMAN NICKLES : The Beach Committee has to report that we' re still reviewing communications from our Town Beaches that are lacking public telephones but we have difficulty with the telephone company in making satisfactory arrangements. We are in the process of now looking at alternate solutions to that problem. Also with the beaches, the last five or six weeks we' ve been trying to rectify the problem down at Kenney' s Beach with erosion and I was just over there tonight between the two meetings and it looks like what we call our Nature Assisted Beach Enhancement Program seems to be working. This program consisted of moving sand from the lower part of the beach below the high tide mark up on the beach and storing it there earlier this spring. This is done, I believe according to Mr . Dean our Department of Public Works Commissioner, about five times. Last week we had the. contractor back to move the sand back down. I inspected the beach several times since then and the sand seems to be staying there. . If any of you had seen it may have noticed that this winter from the parking lot down to the surface of the beach there was probably anywheres from four and a half to six feet . The beach had completely eroded away during the course of the winter . So unless any extraordinary acts of Mother Nature occurs between now and the beginning of our beach season we should have a beach. to .use at Kenney' s Beach. This is an experimental program. We had options .of bringing--trucking in sand from `the County where they have been contracting out to dig out some of the sumps . This would be quite expensive. We thought at one time maybe the County was going to dredge Goldsmith ' s Inlet and we would have to truck the sand around. We moved, a considerable amount of sand for a very nominal cost and hopefully if it proves successful and satisfactory I. think with one more treatment with Mr. Dean bringing his own equipment on to the site it will be a useful beach there this coming June 25th or 26th when we open up the beaches. SUPERVISOR PELL: Thank you. Supervisor' s reports: I attended several meetings in the last two weeks. Some of them I would like to bring you up to date on. As I told a group of you when I come before you talking about the budget cut that the Town Board directed to freeze some funds on, I was going the next day up to the Office of the Aging to see Mrs . Adelaide Silkworth. Mrs : McKeighan the Site Manager of the Greenport Nutrition Program went with me. We took up her budget , and we took up the Town ' s . We took up certain parts of the Town budget . Explained to them what . the cutback in the federal funds has meant to the Greenport Nutrition Program. The funds that the Town Board had to put in to keep the program going. That the Town Board has directed a freeze on your bus trips . Laid it all out to her and her staff. By the time we walked out of the door, we walked out with $13, 846. 00 to be funneled to the Greenport Nutrition Program. By having this money come into the program, relieving the Town Board of future expenses and some of that money that the Town `Board did put in will be returne to the Town and go back into our general budget . In reporting that fact to the Town Board today I recommended to the Town Board that they honor the agreement of February 5th that was signed by myself and the presidents of your organizations . The Town Board has directed me to send a letter to your three clubs who are represented here tonight that they are--feel now at this time with my budget they reviewed, with the money we are getting from Mrs. Silkwith, the Office of the Aging, that we are in a position to honor the commit- ment that was made on February 5th for the funds. I will get that letter out in the next day or two. On the Youth Grant , the first $10, 000 . 00 Youth .Grant has come ,to an end. This is a $10, 000. 00 that we used to equip the Senior C;it-izen/Youth Buil-ding. Much of the equipment that you have up JUNE 9 , 1981 219 there, yoar pool tables, your ping pong, games, some of your electronic equipment', microphones:,.,,was,,,b_ought out of. the first $10, 000. 00. We received $2, 700. 00 of that money back, The Town had to put up the money, some of it first while the paperwork went through and this past week we got $2 , 700. 00 and some -odd dollars in a check to wind that grant up . The first $10, 000. 00 cost your Town $84. 00. There was $84. 00 worth of claims that we put in that the State did not honor. They honored all .the rest . I feel that is very good. We have been working on $10, 000. 00, it was a new grant, something new for here. '.' It is getting that $2 , 700. 00 back into the Town budget also helped the Town Board- today to say we can reinstate--take the freeze off your money. The fourth meeting I think you might be interested in, I brought the Town Board up to date on, was a meeting we had with Lieutenant of our police force approximately, I am going to say twelve-fifteen tow truck operators in the Town. This was the second of two meetings that were held. Two months ago I had several complaints from the tow truck operators. I decided one night to have them all come in and sit down and I listened to all their gripes, their complaints with the car impound area, with the Police Department ; with all . I made a list of them, sent them up to the Chief of Police to review them. He reviewed them, the Lieutenant reviewed -them, reviewed them with our Town Attorney. Many of the complaints they had were legitimate com- plaints. Many things we could do to 'work with the tow truck operators when they get called out 2 :"00 o' clock in the morning or 10: 00 o' clock night or day seven days a week, they do respond. Many of these things we could do, some of them we could not do according to law. We had a second meeting held last week and it was a very successful one. We explained to them the ones we cannot justifably do according to law. The ones we can do we will do. Some of them we already have done. I think, if I can quote the Lieutenant when he left that night , he said, very good meeting we had. Our communications system is open with the tow truck operators . They were very pleased and he was pleased. That basically is the four comments I would like to make. I know you have some let-ters .here to address the Board. Usually what I do is hold the audience back until we go through the entire agenda. I am going to divert from that right now and I know if any of you would like to address us before we go 'I will accept that at . this time. Mr. Bill Weinheimer. Please use the microphone and state your name. WILLIAM WEINHEIIIER: My name is Bill Weinheimer from the Southold Senior Citizens , I have been directed by President Catherine Lang to read the following letter to the Supervisor and the Members of the Town Board and this is noE withstanding the fact that you have just made some mention of a reinstatement of funds. "Supervisor William R. Pell and Members of the Town Board, Town of Southold. Gentlemen: The Southold Senior ,Citizens Club received a letter from Supervisor William R. Pell under date of May 11, 1981 stating that there have been many cutbacks on programs funded by the federal government . We are aware that many organiza- tions that have been recipients of federal funding will have to tighten their belts in anticipation of reduced funding. This organization will accept its share of responsibility. We do not quite understand while the Board would freeze funds for the bus trips which have been approved in the current Town Budget. These are not federal funds. We can understand reevaluation and cutbacks and the fact that the Town of Southold has expended a great deal of money, at the Senior Citizen/Youth Center, however, we were given to understand that those funds were already on hand. We do not understand the relationship between these funds and the funds already included in the Town Budget for bus trips. You anticipate that funds for bus trips for the final quarter may have . to be cut or reduced. Why then do you deny funds for bus trips to the quarter prior to the final quarter? Our organization which is comprised of over 500 members will reevaluate our future needs with respect to Town financed bus trips, however , we feel this in no way should reflect on previously approved funds. Very truly yours, Catherine Lang, President . " SUPERVISOR PELL: Thank you. Is there another letter or is that the only one that I know of? We ' re getting off light. I think I responded to the basic bottom line, not going over point by point, but I think the Town Board did respond restoring the funds and you will get a letter from me in regards to that matter. I will go over in letter and respond to every item you have here but I want my Town Budget in front of me when I do it . 220 JUNE 9 , 1981 COUNCILMAN DRUM: I might say this, sir. It was my feeling that the Nutrition for those unfortunate , that could not , that needed the Nutrition Program I felt , and I still feel, that if we have to cut someplace, and I felt busing and other areas should be cut first . I felt that that program was an essential program that we have, the Nutrition Program, in Greenport, I felt that was absolutely essential and this is part of your Board. When we have unexpected cuts first we must look where we feel that it will hurt all the people the least . When you have cuts it ' s essential. That 's what you have elected us for to 'make . some of these decisions and they' re not easy because when you have cuts you have to look somewhere. Basically that was my feeling. SUPERVISOR PELL: Mr. Pete DeBlasio . I would like to hold this and would like to move on to the rest of the agenda. John, you are next , that will be it. PETER DeBLASIO: In answer to your staftement , sir, apparently-- my name, is Peter DeBlasio, I ' m a member of the Southold Senior Citizens Club. Apparently you did not quite understand the letter. It specifically states why was the freeze put on funds that in no way are federal funds? It is a specific question and for your information I ' d like to state for everyone here I 'm sure, that we senior citizens will be the first ones to share a sandwich at that group center, at the Nutrition Center, if need be. Bear in mind that the Nutrition . Center is being carried by people our age . Thank you. JOHN KRAVASE: Mattituck Senior Citizens. Sometime ago I was informed about this Nutrition Center. This will be towards Mr. Drum. There is a grant or there was a grant to them if they owned their own building but since they are renting out there, they cannot get the money, so the thought was out in our mind and I spoke to Mr. Pell, why don' t they put an addition on the Senior, Citizen/Youth Center because the kitchen there, two people could not be in the same kitchen when we have our meetings. So an addition put on that building for the kitchen for the Nutrition Center. That ' s item number one. That would get a grant from the federal government , possibly maybe" not now. The other thing was there seems to be no limit on the income for people at the Nutrition Center. There are a lot of people go up there that ride up ;in Cadillacs or Lincolns and do not need to spend only fifty cents for a meal. It would never pay for me to go up because it would cost me more for gas to go up there and I don' t eat out that often: But a lot of those people up there are not destitute and I know it so that ' s my word on you, Mr. Drum, with regard to the Nutrition Center. SUPERVISOR PELL: All right , I ' d like to move on, but I ' d just like to say one thing on that last comment . The Town Board has directed the Manager there to start to screen some of the people that come there. We are very much aware of that and we are taking that into consideration and we have directed Mrs. McKei'ghan to look into this and perhaps screen some of them. COUNCILMAN DRUM: And I might say, sir, I in particular was the first to say that I am concerned on those that are using the Nutrition Center. I have been concerned for over six months . I feel that we should look--especially if we were going to be cut back--we had to look at who we 'could serve--the most needy. We take care of the most needy first. SUPERVISOR PELL: All right , I ' d like to move on. Under reports . Public Notices-- Item II in ,your agenda.. Councilman Nickles will review Public Notices . ` COUNCILMAN NICKLES : May I make some comments? SUPERVISOR PELL: Councilman Nickles would like to add something. JUNE 9, 1981 221 COUNCILMAN NICKLES : . I think one .of the questions was why were funds already set aside frozen' whon"It really related to federal funds. Part of the problem was the Nutrition Center that employees and other items there were being paid, for example, the CETA workers were being paid through the County which relates to federal funds. So, in a sense when they took away the $13, 000 . 00 Bill was talking about earlier, that ' s when we put a freeze on many items within the budget . And I 'm going to tell you this, as Henry Drum just mentioned, we scrutinized the Nutrition Program very stringently. We asked Mrs . McKeighan,who came back and met , with us three times, that we want you to cut wherever you can cut we want this Nutrition Program run efficiently. If there are' people there that you really don' t need, let ' s evaluate the situation and this gal worked very hard. She came in with a whole layout of her program where she couldn' t make cuts, where she could make cuts and the freeze was put on. Not as I think the Supervisor perhaps misunderstood the last quarter of this year. It was. put on as of, I think, the April 21st or April 27th Board meeting of this Town Board. So it really did not relate to the last quarter of this year you were going to have to be cut back, we were just kind of holding money so we could see if something would break in the County with the CETA program or something would break here before we spent the money. Your money does not come from federal funds, it comes from you, the taxpayers, but when the federal government takes away in a sense also taxpayers money for some of these programs it was not available. We had no means of raising funds except going out and floating a bond issue or a tax anticipation note if we fall short . It was merely not to deny you people going on a bus trip, it was just a freeze, momentary freeze so we could evaluate the Nutrition Program. We asked what kind of criteria you use for people who come and have lunch there and they said there is no criteria because of the way the program is set up which is understandable. The question was raised by the Town Board, but if the Town Board is going to have to start funding this then we are going to have to look at it . Who is eligible to participate in this program and to what extent . Maybe some people can pay fifty cents and some people have to pay a dollar. This is what your Town Board was doing when this freeze was on. Unfortunately I think perhaps there was a misunderstanding and a lack of communication and if you don' t mind me saying so, Bill, in the letter that was presented to you. II . PUBLIC NOTICES = COUNCIZMAN NICKLES : 1 . From the New York State Department - of Environmental: Conservation a Notice of Complete Application by Peter Rosicki to install a septic system at a minimum of 60 ft , from mean high water. Written comments may be made on this by June 17th. This property is located on West Lake off Hog Neck Bay, south side of Cedar Point Drive , on Lot 136, Map of Cedar. Beach Park, Southold. 2. From the Department of Transportation is a Public Notice. Really it is in response to a prior public notice . If you will recall there are now "No Parking" signs opposite the Town Hall about where the cemetery starts and east of. the driveway to the church parking lot 'near the Presbyterian Church. There was a request for that, there was an earlier pu i�'c notice and because it was a little bit too wide we had the Department of Transportation out and they are shortening. the "No .Parking" 'area. I don' t know why nobody got a ticket in the last month out there, people are parking there anyway. So this notice. really is more of a communica- tion telling us that they are going to shorten the "No Parking" zone in front of the Presbyterian Church. This is in the Town UIerk' s Office if you wish to examine it . 3. From the Corps of Engineers, an application by Fritz Kohn to bulkhead at Schoolhouse Creek, New Suffolk. Comments on This item are by July 1, 1981. Description of the Work : The applicant proposes to construct 60 ft . more or less of timber bulkhead with a 16 foot return as shown on the attached drawing. Approximately 75 cubic yards of sand and gravel fill from an up- land source will be placed as backfill. The purpose of this work is to control erosion, reclaim eroded property, and provide a mooring facility for private pleasure craft . 4. Also from the New York State Department of Environmental Conservation, Notice of Complete Application by James H. Rambo, Inc. or round Rudink to construct a one family dwelling, storage building and sanitary system- adjacent to Arshamomaque Pond. All of these items are on file, if you wish to persue them, with the Town Clerk. 222 JUNE 9 , 1981 III . COMMUNICATIONS - *SUPERVISOR PELL: 1. From Hugh Gallagher , President of the Southold Soccer Club thanking the Town Board for the use of the van to take the soccer team to a tournament up west and the bottom line is with the record they did up there the whole school should have a good soccer team for the next few years. They come back with one team undefeated for all honors. Good bunch of boys and good bunch of men who dedicate their time to it. 2. Invitation to come down to a two day workshop on hazardous floods plan. The Town Board discussed this- today and we will send our Town Engineer down to it , Larry Tuthill. 3 . Letter from Mr. Terry, former Building Department Head, saying his views on Robins Island.. - Basically he feels it should be a limited development.. 4. Again a request from the Greenport Public School to allow the summer funds that we provide to each. school in the township to be used in- the wintertime for the roller skating rink they have a program there. This will make either the third or fourth year. They feel it has been very successful in the wintertime. They would like to do it again and asked the Town permission to use the funds in the wintertime instead of the summertime, There is discussion on Board level on that and we feel, the Board feels that the funds are for summertime. They will permit it this year because they planned it , but for 1982 they wish the Greenport School to reevaluate their _. request . 5. Request from the Fire Chiefs Council. The request was that we have some men in Town, one police officer , volunteer firemen, learning to be divers so they can go out and search in case of emergenci.es.. The training fee is $624. 00. In our Civil Defense fund we have $400. 00 set aside for something. No seeing any immediate use for that money, the Town Board will approve, later on , that $300. 00 be allotted towards the expenses of train- ing these men. 6. Course on landfill operations. Mr. Dean will send somebody to attend tHat. 7. Request from Twin Fork Fence Co. in views that he feels about fences being put around commercial property. He has a problem with tFieRuilding Department on that and we will try to square it away. S. Request for a streetlight. Councilman Murphy is working on those right now, along with Councilman Drum on that Committee. (Mrs. Alfred Caiola, "Wild Cherry Way" . ) 9. From a resident complaining about the cars parked at night down on the foot of Terry Lane, We have a 9a and we also. have a 9b. Two'complaints about t e same area. (9a-John DiCarlo, 9b-Thomas J. Ekkers) . IV. HEARINGS AND DECISIONS: We had hearings this afternoon.. - We haU live ol ttem. They are on the agenda later on under' resolutions. Moving over to resolutions- Your agenda says 23, we have 31, so when we get to 23 don' t get up and run home, there are 31, we have seven add ons. V. RESOLUTIONS 1. On motion of Councilman Nickles, seconded by Councilman Murdock, it was RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby grants permission to the Southold Fire Department' to use the following or wn Roads: Tuckers Lane , Griswold Street , Terry Court and Glover Street for line of mark formation for their fireman' s parade on August 5, 1981 at 7: 00 P .M. , and be it further RESOLVED that the Southold Fire Department is granted permission to use the. Town parking lot behind the Southold Fire Department as grounds for their Block Party which will-be held on Tuesday, August 4, 1981 through Saturday, August 8 , 1981 , provided the Southold Fire Department maintains sufficient insurance coverage for both events to hold the. Town of Southold harmless. Vote of -the Town Board: Ayes: Councilman Murphy, Councilman Murdock, Councilman Nickles, Councilman Drum, Supervisor Pell. This resolution was declared. duly adopted. JUNE 9 , 1981 223 2. On motion on Councilman . Nickles, seconded by Councilman Murphy, it was RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold reappoint John Plock, Sr, as a member of the Southold Town Conservation Advisory Council--for a two year term, effective May 6, 1981 through May 6, 1983— Vote of theTown Board: Ayes: Councilman Murphy, Councilman Murdock, Councilman Nickles, Councilman Drum, Supervisor Pell, This resolution was declared duly adopted... SUPERVISOR PELL: The reason we didn' t call for r.esumes is last meeting we appointed two people. This man should have been on the list also. We did call for resumes up until :last meeting we had and we had no resumes come in other than the two people wishing to serve again.. Therefore ,we appointed this man without calling for resumes. It should have been on two weeks ago, 3. -On motion of Councilman Murdock, seconded by Councilman Drum, WHEREAS, the Town Board of the Town of Southold by resolution dated February 24, 1981 advertised for bids for the repair and extension of bulkhead and dredging 'at -Guli Pond , reenn_ or ew York, now, therefore , be it RESOLVED that Costello Maririe 'Contracting Corp . , Greenport , New York be and hereby is awarded the contract to furnish all the materials, implements and incidentals and to furnish labor and do all the work required to repair and extend a bulkhead and to dredge a channel at Gull Pond adjacent to Orient Harbor at Greenport , Town of Southbld, :lNew York, all in accordance with the specifications and Notice to Bidders, at a total lump-sum bid price of $9, 750. 00 for all of the required work, and be it further RESOLVED that Supervisor William R. Pell, III be and he hereby is authorized and directed to execute a contract between Costello Marine Contracting Corp, and the Town of Southold for the afore- mentioned bulkhead and dredging work. Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: ,, Councilman Murphy, Councilman Murdock, Councilman Nickles, Councilman Drum, Supervisor Pell. This resolution was declared duly adopted, SUPERVISOR PELL: We only had one bid and that was Costello Marine, the one bid we had. 4. On motion of Councilman Murphy, seconded by Councilman Nickles, it was RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold approves the amount of $100, 000. 00 as an estimate for bond for roads and,.-improve- ments in the subdivision known as "Harbor Lights, 'Section 'IV" , as recommended by Town Engineer Lawrence M. Tuthill', and the Southold Town Planning Board. Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilman Murphy, Councilman Murdock, Councilman Nickles, Councilman Drum, Supervisor Pell. This resolution was declared duly adopted. 5. On motion �of Councilman Drum, seconded by Councilman Murdock , WHEREAS, the 9eydon Shores Property Owners 'Association , Southold, New York has applied to the Town Board for financial assistance in dredging the basin inlet to Reydon Shores, and WHEREAS, this request has been referred to the Southold Town Trustees for their findings and ,recommendations, now, therefore , be it RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby agrees to contrib.ute one half of the total cost , up to but not exceeding the sum of 75. 00, toward.:the cost of dredgin the basin inlet to Reydon Shores , Southold, New York, and be it further RESOLVED that the dredged excess fill is to be deposited behind the bulkhead as recommended by the Southold Town Trustees. Vote of the Town Board: - Ayes: Councilman Murphy, Councilman Murdock, Councilman Nickles, Councilman Drum, Supervisor Pell , This resolution was declared duly adopted. 6. On motion of Councilman Murdock, seconded by Councilman Drum, it was (a) RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold grants Radio Operator James Fogarty his second salary increment in the amount of $500. 00 effective June 1, 1981. Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilman Murphy, Councilman Murdock, Councilman Nickles,. Councilman Drum, Supervisor Pell, This resolution was declared duly adopted. 224 .. JUNE 9 , 1981 6. On motion of Councilman Nickles, seconded by Councilman Murphy, it was (b) RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold grants Confiden- tial Secretary to the Supervisor Christina J. Hogan her third salary increment in the amount of $500. 00 effective July 1 , 1981. Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilman Murphy, Councilman Murdock , Councilman Nickles, Councilman Drum, Supervisor Pell. This resolution was declared duly adopted. 6. On motion of Councilman Murphy, seconded by Councilman Murdock, it was (c) RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold grants Clerk Typist at Police Headquarters, Antoinette Berkoski her third salary increment in the amount of $500. 00 effective June 3, 1981. Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilman Murphy, Councilman Murdock, Councilman Nickles, Councilman Drum, Supervisor Pell. This resolution was declared duly adopted. 6 . On motion of Supervisor Pell, seconded by Councilman Drum, it was (d) RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold grants Clerk Typist to Justice Frederick Tedeschi, Christine Stulsky her second salary increment in the amount of $500. 00 effective June 15, 1981. Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilman Murphy, Councilman Murdock, Councilman Nickles, Councilman Drum, Supervisor Pell . This resolution was declared duly adopted. 7. On motion of Councilman Drum, seconded by Councilman Nickles, it was RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hire the follow- ing Seasonal Police Officers, effective immediately through September 7, 1981 , at $5. 00 per hour. , AS NEEDED: Theodore 0. Beebe, Jr. , Carlisle E. Cochran, Jr. , Antone F. Surozenski. Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilman Murphy, Councilman Murdock, Councilman Nickles, Councilman Drum, Supervisor Pell . This resolution was declared duly adopted. 8. On motion of Councilman Murdock, seconded by Councilman Nickles, it was RESOLVED that . the Town Board of the Town of Southold increase the salary of Beach Manager Robert Muir from $1, 650. 00 to $1 , 800. 00 for the summer season. COUNCILMAN NICKLES: I ' d like to second that resolution and I ' d also like to point out that the Town is very fortunate to have a gentlemen such as Bob Muir to be our Beach Manager. What that means is he operates all our beaches relative to scheduling and training of lifeguards. He also handles, for the park districts, their life- guards and I ' m telling you it is no mean task to keep lifeguards, especially when dealing with young people that may start out and tell you they are going to work all summer and at the end of July you find out they came ' out here for the summer and they went back to the city. So all summer he' s constantly training lifeguards, certifying them and putting them in to harness, so to speak. ' I think this raise of $150. 00 is well deserved and at such time Bob Muir ever leaves us we' ll probably find out what it really costs to find somebody to replace him. He is a valuable person we have in Town that most people aren' t even aware of what he does. COUNCILMAN MURPHY: I might . add that `he also checks on these people, physically checks on each lifeguard daily to see that they are properly equipped and doing their job and they are there which is a. great great savings for the Town. SUPERVISOR PELL: That ' s seven days a week, the beaches are open seven days a week. COUNCILMAN NICKLES : Not only that, he taught me how to swim when I was a kid. COUNCILMAN MURPHY: He is a former coach of Mattituck High School and he is probably one of the best soccer coaches around and Mattituck had, probably the finest soccer team under his teaching at the time. Vote of the Town Board: . Ayes: Councilman Murphy, Councilman Murdock, Councilman Nickles, Councilman Drum, Supervisor Pell. This resolutionva.s declared duly adopted. JUNE 9 , 1981 _ 225 9. On motion of Councilman Drum,^ secondedlby Councilman Murdock, it was RESOLVED that the Town Board .of. the Town of Southold- grants- permission to the Board of Comm ssioner8" df `the' Fishers Island Ferry District to operate a theatre commencing on or about July 1, 1981 and engage the services of the following persons effective July 1, 1981 : Edward Horning - Cashier $100. 00 per week J. B. Hartsfield - Projectionist $ 25. 00 per show Charles Stepanek - Clerk $ 50. 00 per week Vote of the Town Board: . Ayes : Councilman Murphy, Councilman Murdock, Councilman Nickles, Councilman Drum, Supervisor Pell. This resolution was declared duly adopted. 10. . On motion of Councilman Murdock, seconded by Councilman Drum, it was RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold grants- per- mission to the Board of Commissioners of the Fishers Tsl and Ferry District to increase the compensation of Evelyn A. ' Clarke, who performs cleaning and janitorial services at the Fishers Island Offices, from $15. 00 per week to $80. 00 per month effective July 1, 1981. Vote of the Town Board: Ayes : . Councilman Murphy, Councilman Murdock, Councilman Nickles, Councilman Drum, Supervisor Pell , This resolution was declared duly adopted. 11 . On motion of Councilman Murphy, seconded by Councilman Drum, it was RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby authorizes Lawrence M. Tuthill, Town Engineer, to attend a two- day Flood Hazard Management Training Workshop at the Kings Grant Inn , Point Pleasant, New Jersey, June 16 and 17 , 1981. and all necessary expenses for salary, travel, meals and lodging shall be a legal charge against, the Town of Southold. Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilman Murphy, Councilman Murdock, Councilman Nickles, Councilman Drum, Supervisor Pell . This resolution was declared duly adopted. 12. On motion of Councilman Murdock, seconded by Councilman Drum, it was RESOLVED that the Southold Town Board declare itself' 'lead agency in regard to the State Environmental Quality Review Act in the matter of the application of Fred Melin for a' Wetland Permit on certain property located. on the west side of Bay Avenue-Skunk Lane, at Mud Creek, Cutchogue , New Yoxk, Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: , Councilman Murphy, Councilman Murdock, Councilman Nickles, Councilman Drum,; Supervisor Pell. .This resolution was declared duly adopted. SUPERVISOR PELL: Number 13 is another one of these items that has been held back for the last two, two and a half months just waiting to see how our funds were. 13. On motion of Supervisor Pell, seconded by Councilman Murphy, it was RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold allocate . $100. 00 toward the expenses of the Inter-Agency Council rroom- t the Whole Town General Fund A622.0. 1 Account CETA (Title 2) Personal Servicesto Whole Town General Fund A6410.4 Publicity Contractual Expenses. Vote of the Town Board: Ayes : Councilman Murphy, Councilman .Murdock, Councilman Nickles, Councilman Drum, Supervisor Pell. This resolution was declared duly adopted. 14. Moved by Councilman Murphy, seconded by Councilman Nickles, WHEREAS, James H. Rambo, Inc. on behalf of Mattituck Inlet Marina, applied to the- ,Southold Town Board for a permit under the provisions of the Wetland Ordinance of the Town of Southold, application dated March 25, 1981, and WHEREAS, said application was referred to the Southold Town Trustees and the Southold Town Conservation Advisory Council for their find- ings and recommendations, and WHEREAS, a public hearing was held by the Town Board with respect to said application on the 9th day of June, 1981, at which time all interested persons were given an opportunity to be heard, now, therefore, be it RESOLVED that James H. Rambo , Inc. on behalf of Mattituck Inlet Marina, be and hereby is granted permission under the provisions of the Wetland Ordinance of the Town of Southold to maintenance dredge approximately 2, 900 cubic yards of material from various locations within existing marina and dispose of spoil in sand pit on the southerly portion of the applicant ' s property. Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilman Murphy, Councilman Murdock, Councilman Nickles, Councilman Drum, •Supervisor Pell. This resolution was declared duly adopted. 226 JUNE 9 , 1981 15. Moved by Councilman Murdock, seconded by Councilman Drum, WHEREAS, Nicholas Fontana applied to the Southold Town Board for a permit under the provisions of the Wetland Ordinance of the Town of Southold, application dated April 2G, 1981 , and WHEREAS , said application was referred to the Southold Town Trustees and the Southold Town Conservation Advisory Council for their findings and recommendations, and WHEREAS, a public hearing was held by the Town Board with respect to said application on the 9th day of June, 1981, at which time all interested persons were given an opportunity to be heard, now, therefore, be it RESOLVED that Nicholas Fontana be and he hereby is granted permission under the provisions of the Wetland Ordinance of the Town of Southold to construct a doc on 1s property located " on Mattituck Creek, north side of Cox 'Neck Road, Mattituck, New York, ail in accordance with his application. Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: .Councilman Murphy, Councilman Murdock, Councilman Nickles, Councilman Drum, Supervisor Pell . This resolution was declared duly adopted. 16. Moved by Councilman Nickles , seconded by Councilman Murphy, WHEREAS, Carol K. Tuthill applied to the Southold Town Board for a permit under the provisions of the Wetland Ordinance of the Town of Southold, application dated April, 1981, and WHEREAS, said application was referred to the Southold Town Trustees and the Southold Town Conservation Advisory Council for their find- ings and recommendations, and WHEREAS, a public hearing was held by the Town Board with respect to said application on the 9ih day of June, 1981, at which time all interested persons were given an opportunity to be heard, now, therefore , be it RESOLVED that Carol K. Tuthill be and she hereby is granted- permission under the provisions of the Wetland Ordinance of the Town of Sout o to construct a platform, catwal,ramp and float off of the east side of Inlet Lane Extension, on Gull Pond, Greenport , New York,. all in accordance with her application. Vote of the Town Board: Ayes : Councilman Murphy, Councilman Murdock, Councilman Nickles, Councilman Drum. Not Voting: Super- visor Pell. This resolution was declared duly adopted. SUPERVISOR PELL: The reason I abstained is my wife owns 50% of that land and if I vote it might e a conflict.. 17. Moved by Councilman Drum, seconded by Councilman Nickles, WHEREAS, R. M. Kammerer., Commissioner of the Suffolk County Depart- ment of Public Works applied to the Southold Town Board for a permit un er t e provisions of the Wetland Ordinance of the Town of Southold, application dated April 16 , 1981, and WHEREAS, said application was referred to the Southold Town Trustees and the Southold Town Conservation Advisory Council for their find- ings and recommendations , and WHEREAS, a public hearing was held by the Town Board with respect to said application on the 9th day of June, 1981 , at which time all interested persons were given an opportunity to be heard, now, therefore, be it RESOLVED that R. M. Kammerer , Commissioner of the Suffolk County Department of Public Works be granted permission u-de— the provisions . of the et an rdinance of the Town of Southold to reconstruct bridge carrying�wF-Suffolk Avenue over Mud. Creek , Town- of Southold , New York. Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Counci main Murphy, Councilman Murdock, Councilman Nickles, Councilman ..Drum, Supervisor Pell. This resolution was declared duly adopted. 18. Moved by Councilman Murphy, ,seconded by Councilman Nickles, WHEREAS, R. M. Kammerer, Commissioner of. the Suffolk County Depart- ment of Public Works applied to the, Southold Town Board for a permit under the provisions of the Wetland Ordinance of the Town of Southold, application dated April 16, 1981, and " WHEREAS, said application was referred to the Southold Town Trustees and the Southold Town Conservation Advisory Council for their find- ings and recommendations, and , WHEREAS, a public hearing was held by the Town Board with respect to said application on the 9th day of' June, ; 1981, at which time -all interested persons were given an opportunity to be heard, now, there- fore, be it yP JUNE 9, 1981 227 RESOLVED that R. M. ' Kammerer "Comm' 'ss `orier' 'of the Suffolk County Department of Public Works be granted permission under the provisions of the Wetland Ordinance of the Town of Southold to reconstruct bridge carrying New Suffolk Avenue over Downs Creek, Town of Southold , New York. COUNCILMAN MURPHY: I might add that these two bridges and one other down there were like twenty and thirty in the whole state as far as need where they felt that it was so critical that they had to be done and they are in a very deteriorating condition and the funding is going to be, I believe, 807o federal funds and probably 15o state funds and 5% county funds. It ' s not going to cost Southold Town anything. Suffolk County has a responsibility for the bridges and they really are needed. They are not changing anything. The profile of the bridge is the bridge is going to be a little wider. The same volume of water will flow under and the distance, the height above the mean high water mark is still going to remain the same and this is something that is surely needed and I ' m afraid that if you ever inspect these bridges you will see that they are just about ready to fall down and for providing fire, bus protection--bus service,. they really are needed. Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilman Murphy, Councilman Murdock, Councilman Nickles, Councilman Drum, Supervisor Pell. This resolution was declared duly adopted. SUPERVISOR PELL: Number 19 is another one that we held back for the last three months and I sent a letter to them a month ago and we will send another one now and give them some good news. This was at budget time , November , we approved $3400. 00 for the chambers to do some advertising. I sent them a letter perhaps a week or two weeks prior to yours, cutting them back on the direction of the Board to $2100. 00 which we did put in the budget that amount and we had promised them a little bit more but under the cutback I sent them a letter like the one I sent you. At this time under the money we did get in we are going to give them what we told them in November of last year when we met with them and we have to transfer funds to do it 19. On motion of Councilman Murphy, seconded by Councilman Murdock, it was RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold transfer $1 , 400. 00 from Whole Town General Fund A6220. 1 CETA (Title 2-) Personal Services, to Whole Town General Fund A6410. 4 Publicity Contractual Expenses. Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilman Murphy, Councilm Murdock, Councilman Nickles, Councilman Drum, Supervisor .Peal�. This resolution was declared duly adopted. 20. Moved by Councilman Nickles, seconded by Councilman Murphy , WHEREAS, Griswold-Terry-Glover Post #803, Southold American Legion , Southold, New York has applied to the Town Clerk for a Bingo License , and WHEREAS, the Town Board has examined the application and after investigation, duly made findings and determinations as required by law, NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED that the Supervisor be and he hereby is authorized and directed to execute on behalf of the Town Board of the Town of Southold the findings and determinations as required by law, and it is further RESOLVED that the Town Clerk be and she hereby is directed to issued a Bingo License to the Griswold-Terry-Glover Post #803, Southold American Legion, Southold, New York. Vote of the Town Board Ayes: Councilman Murphy, Councilman Murdock, Councilman Nickles , Councilman Drum, Supervisor Pell . This resolution was declared duly adopted. 21. Moved by Councilman Murdock, seconded 1yy Councilman Drum, WHEREAS, Griswold-Terry-Glover Post #803, Southold American Legion Auxiliary, Southold , New York, has applied to the Town Clerk for a Bingo License, and WHEREAS, the Town Board has examined the application and after investigation, duly made findings and determinations as required by law, NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED that theSupervisor be and he- here- by is authorized and directed to execute on behalf of the Town Board of the Town of Southold the findings and determinations as required by law, and it is further 228 JUNE 9 , 1981 RESOLVED that the Town Clerk be and she hereby is directed to issue a Bingo License to Griswold-Terry-Glover Post .1803, Southold American Legion Auxiliary, Southold, New York. Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilman Murphy, Councilman Murdock, Councilman Nickles, Councilman Drum, Supervisor Pell. This resolution was declared duly adopted. 22. On motion of Councilman Murphy, seconded by Councilman Nickles, it was RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold authorizes publication of Public Meeting Notice, Town of Southold and Incorp- orated Village of Greenport , 7: 30 P. M. , Tuesday, July 14 , 1981, Southold Town Hall, Main Road, Southold , New York, for the purpose of presenting the "Alternatives Evaluation and Environmental Assessment Report of the Greenport-Southold 201 Study Area"; cost of publication to be shared with the Village of Greenport . Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilman Murphy, Councilman Murdock, Councilman Nickles, Councilman Drum, Supervisor Pell. This resolution was declared duly adopted. 23. On motion of Councilman Drum, seconded by Councilman Murdock, it was RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold set 3 : 25 P.M. , Tuesday, June 23 , . 1981, Southold Town Hall, Main Road, Southold , New York as time and place for hearing upon application of Marino Faraguna for permit under the provisions of the Wetland Ordinance of the Town of Southold, for.' permission to construct an aluminum alloy bulkhead at his property on the west side of Skunk Lane, on Mud Creek, Cutchogue, New York. Vote of the Town Board: Ayes : Councilman Murphy, Councilman Murdock, Councilman Nickles, Councilman Drum, Supervisor Pell . This resolution was declared duly adopted. 24. On motion of Councilman Drum, seconded by Councilman Nickles, it was RESOLVED that $638 . 13 be and - hereby is transferred from Item IV, DS599 Unexpended Balance to Item IV, DS9010. 8 N.Y. S . Retirement (Highway Budget ) . Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilman Murphy, Councilman Murdock, Councilman Nickles, Councilman Drum, Supervisor Pell. This resolution was declared duly..adopted. 25. On motion of Councilman Murphy, seconded by Councilman Murdock, it was RESOLVED that the Town Clerk be and she hereby is authorized and directed to advertise for bids for the sale of the former Town Justice Court land and building located on the north side of the Main Road, Cutchogue, New York; minimum. acceptable .bid is $50, 000. 00. Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilman Murphy, Councilman Murdock,- Councilman Nickles, Councilman Drum, Supervisor Pell.. This. resolution was declared duly adopted. 26. Moved by Councilman Murdock, seconded by Councilman Murphy, WHEREAS, the Town Board has conducted several conferences with Energy Development Corp, relative to a solid waste facility at the Town landfill site at Cutchogue, New York, and WHEREAS, Energy Development' Corp, wishes to meet with representatives of the New York State Department of Environmental Conservation at a pre-application conference to ascertain its requirements for the design , construction and operation of a , solid waste facility at said landfill site, and requests authorization from this .Board to participate in such conference on behalf of itself and the Town, now, therefore, it is RESOLVED that Energy Development Corp. is hereby authorized, at its own expense , to particiate in a pre-application conference with representatives.. of the New York State Department of Environ- mental Conservationfor the purposes hereinbefore stated. Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilman Murphy, Councilman Murdock, Councilman Nickles, Councilman Drum, Supervisor Pell. This resolution was declared duly adopted. SUPERVISOR PELL: Number 27 has an (a) and a (b) to it. I would like just to explain it if I could for a second, bear with me. Mr. Price from McMann-Price who insures the Town this year, and myself, reviewed the insurance policies of the Town along with Mr. Nickles one day. We had a couple of items we didn' t think was quite right . Mr. Price looked into it and came back with JUNE 9 , 1981 229 certain recommendations on the (a) part which is coverage of the police. The (b) part we reviewed with Mr. Price again today with the entire Town Board, Mr. Price and myself certain buildings we felt were underinsured and in some cased not insured, so we added them to the Town policy. The review is not done yet , I still have one more section to review and I will be back to the Board with that , but the insurance that we are picking up on the police, it was with the Sheriff ' s Association last year and cost the Town approximately *7, 500. 00. We are picking up the same amount of coverage with our primary carrier Utica Mutual for approximately $5 , 500. 00. We are saving $2 , 000. 00 upon this review. That is basically the two items (a) and (b) . 27. On motion of Councilman Murdock, seconded by Councilman Drum, it was (a) RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold approves pay- ment of $5, 573. 00 from the Part Town General Insurance Account to Utica Mutual Insurance Company representing an additional charge , to the Town to provide personal injury coverage to the Town of Southold and Town of Southold Police Department . Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilman Murphy, Councilman Murdock, Councilman Nickles, Councilman Drum, Supervisor Pell. This resolution was declared duly adopted. 27. On motion of Councilman Murphy, seconded by CouncilmanMurdock, it was (b ) RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold approves pay- ment of $224 . 00 to Utica Mutual Insurance Company for increased coverage on t;"..e following structures owned by the Town of Southold: Steel tower at Police Headquarters from $1, 500. 00 to $3 , 000. 00 - cost $12. 00; Gas pump lean-to at Police Headquarters from $1, 500. 00' to $3, 000. 00 cost $12 . 00; Senior Citizen/Youth Building $10, 000. 00 .on contents cost $40. 00; Southold Town Hall from $660, 000. 00 to $700, 000. 00 cost $160. 00. Vote of the Town Board: Ayes : Councilman Murphy, Councilman Murdock, Councilman Nickles, -Councilman Drum, Supervisor, Pell. This resolution was declared duly adopted. 28. On motion of Councilman Murdock, seconded by Councilman- Drum, it was RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold allocate $300. 00 to the Southold Town Fire Chiefs Council from Civil Defense Account W-3-640. 4' for equipment for local town. fire department volunteers who are being trained in underwater search and rescue. Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilman Murphy, Councilman Murdock, Councilman Nickles, Councilman Drum, Supervisor Pell. This resolution was declared duly adopted. 29., Moved by Councilman Drum, seconded by Councilman Nickles, WHEREAS, Police Officer John Droskoski has applied to the Chief of Police for a leave of absence from September 1 , 1981 to May 31, 1982, and WHEREAS, the Chief of Police has referred this request to the Southold Town Board for action, and WHEREAS, the Town Board has determined that the- absence of this police officer for such extended period of time would be an undue hardship on the operation of the Southold Town Police Department , now, therefore, be it RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby denies the request of Police Officer John Droskoski for a leave of absence from September 1, 1981 to May 31, 1982. Vote of the Town Board: Abstain : Councilman Murphy. Ayes : Councilman Murdock, Councilman Nickles, Councilman Drum, Supervisor Pell . This resolution was declared duly adopted. 30. On motion of Councilman - Nickles, -seconded by Councilman Murphy, it was RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hire Joseph Frohnhoefer as a part-'time Bay Constable , to work AS NEEDED, at a salary of $5. 00 per hour , effective immediately. Vote of the Town Board: Ayes : Councilman Murphy, Councilman Murdock,' Councilman Nickles, Councilman Drum, Supervisor Pell . This resolution was declared duly adopted . 230 JUNE 9 , 1981 31. On motion of Councilman Drum, seconded by Councilman Murdock, it was RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold set 9: 30 A. M. , Tuesday, June 23, 1981, Southold Town Hall, Main Road, Southold, New York as time and place for hearing upon the appeal of Gary Costas for denial of a Peddling and Soliciting License. Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilman Murphy, Councilman Murdock, Councilman Nickles,, Councilman Drum, Supervisor Pell . This resolution was declared duly adopted. SUPERVISOR PELL: At this time I ' d like to turn the floor over to the Councilmen for anything I left out or omitted. - COUNCILMAN MURDOCK: Well, I would like to respond a little further to Mr. DeBlasio, I don ' t think sufficiently we answered his quest- ions in terms of the funding. The moneys that were stopped were certainly unexpected moneys to the Town to be stopped_. They represented employees. The moneys that the Town had to solve this problem had to be Town moneys, not federal moneys. -Federal moneys were never considered as to where we allocated money from. The problem arose mostly with the earliness in the year of the Town' s budget. We don' t have much latitude . in appropriating or reappropria- ting funds that early in the year. Later in the year maybe we' ve had a little more interest income or we' ve had some other funds available, but at that time the Town Board had already set the tax warrants, collected the first half of the taxes and we were fully committed to how much our income would be. The- moneys that the county or the state or the federal government were withholding on their programs--our only way to try and solve the problems that were caused by this withholding was to use Town funds and that is where---I don ' t want you to be confused that federal money was used and not used. The federal money and state moneys were withheld and we on the Town level only have one source of income and that ' s why we had to use local money from local projects to try and cover ourselves the best that we could until later in the year and of course, fortunately, the County did see fit and as. a matter of fact they did it by completely overriding the County Executive' s wishes. The County Executive vetoed the plan for this; $110, 000; 00 or $111, 000. 00 and the Suffolk County Legislature overrode his veto to refund those projects of which we got $13, 000. 00. It was strictly within our own province--our only way to operate was with local -funds and not state and county or federal funds. SUPERVISOR PELL: Thank you. Councilman Drum, anything you want to add? COUNCILMAN DRUM: Thank you, Larry. No, I was just going to say that we were going to operate the Nutrition Center at a reduced operation and we do have the Legislature to thank for their action in giving us back these funds so we are all back to normal again . SUPERVISOR PELL: Thank you. Councilman Nickles? COUNCILMAN NICKLES : I have a few comments I would like to make. About seven months ago the Town Board met with the Save Robins Island Committee and a resolution was agreed upon for the formation of a Robins Island Advisory Committee to the Town Board. The purpose of this committee was to study all the aspects of preservation from total to limited. If they could, the committee was to formulate a proper question to be presented as a referendum to the voters of the Town. This committee of nine was made up of four people from the community, four people from the Save Robins Island Committee and one person from the Town Board who would be chairman of this committee and that person was Bill Pell, our Supervisor. A preliminary report was to be given within two months and a final report at the end of six months . When the preliminary report was presented to the Town Board, it became evident that only total preservation was being studied. It then became necessary for the Town Board to draft a second resolution to clarify the purpose of this Town Board Advisory Committee. That resolution was passed on January 13, 1981 by a unanimous vote of the Town Board. On April 27th, the final report of this Town Board Advisory Committee was presented to us. I sat down and read the report that same day. What I discovered was the committee to the Town Board .had not completed their studies as mandated by two Town Board resolutions. In fact , the committee chaired by Bill Pell unilaterally changed its Town Board directives. JUNE 9 , 1981 231 The Chairman of this committee, Mr Pell, met regularly with the Town Board and not once did ­he" ever ' ake{' a-- report regarding this committee' s work. He did, however, speak on behalf of this committee twice; one time to ask the Town Board' s approval to pay a secretary to take minutes of the meetings and the second time to request an extension of time of one month--both requests were granted. In spite of the fact that there was a paid recording secretary, no comprehensive minutes were ever prepared and circulated to the Town Board. The minutes of the Robins Island Committee meetings were grudgingly given to the Town Board in dribs and drabs and only when requested by Board members. The written minutes we did receive were little more than a record of attendance and who the next guest speaker would be. After more requests for minutes of these meetings, Mr. Pell informed the Town Board that the Robins Island Advisory Committee meeting minutes were tape recorded and that if we wished to, we could listen to the tapes of the minutes at our pleasure. From that point on we did not receive any more minutes, such as they were. On April 27th, I requested that all the minutes, including tapes, be filed with the Town Clerk. As of this meeting there is not a complete set of minutes for the 25 meetings of the Robins Island Advisory Committee. In retrospect, it seems that there was a conscious effort to keep the Town Board in the dark as to what this Town Board Committee was doing between the time of the prelim- inary report and the final report . On April 27th, the day we received the final report, the Town Board members agreed that the report would not be discussed .on a Town Board level until such time as we had met with the Robins Island Committee in a Torun Board work session. On May 26th, a Town Board meeting day, an appointment with the Robins Island Committee was set for 7 : 30 P. M. At 7: 30 P.M. on May 26th, I found this was not a work session but a public informational meeting with the Town Board, the Robins Island Advisory Committee and a hand picked portion of the public. As I just said, the Town Board had never discussed the contents of this report , and this was to be our opportunity to have a "give and take" with the Robins Island Advisory Committee in a conference room setting. This was not to be. The Town Board was misled as to the true purpose of the May 26th meeting. This purported work session of the Town Board turned out to be an orchestrated attempt to resolve the Robins Island question by confrontation and controversy. The foregoing information suggests several things to me : As a Town Board member and Chairman of the Robins Island Advisory Committee, Mr. Pell had the responsibility of seeing that the Robins Island Committee functioned properly. Mr. Pell did not meet his obligations to the Robins Island Committee, who relied upon him as their chairman for proper direction. Mr. Pell failed his fellow Board members by not giving proper direction to the committee and by not provid- ing proper communications between the committee and the Town Board. Most important of all, Mr . Pell . failed the people of this Town and their representatives by .not providing-them with a complete::.study. If this work had been done by a hired consultant , I would refuse to pay this bill. Bill, maybe you can tell us why. . SUPERVISOR PELL: I wish you gave me that during work -session today and I could have done a little--instead of springing it out tonight but I understand what you mean when you said the other day your name would be in print after the. next Town Board meeting, on our way to Jersey. If this is what you had in mind I wish you had said---yes, in the car. You asked me when vour name wasn' t in the paper much, you said it will be after the next Town Board meeting. John, the meetings were open. Anybody could attend. Larry did attend them from time to time. You were always welcome there. As far as the bray 26th meeting goes, it was scheduled two weeks ahead of time. I had people call me up and, say when the is Robins Island going to get discussed with the Board. I tell them when. I cannot tell them to stay home. I do not close the doors. I have a law to operate under which is the Sunshine Law. I cannot forbid people to come to meetings if they ask me when they are and I will not do that. ''I will always open this door to any meeting that I chair. The public always will be welcome like they are tonight I ' m glad you' re here. We had the public , we had the press at the Robins Island Committee meeting practically every time we met we had some public there, some interested citizens were there. The, press was there and if you were so interested in it, I think you would have took the time to come to two or three meetings if you were displeased and say, what ' s going on , I think you should do this, I think you should do that . I did what I thought and the committee thought was the mandate of the Town Board. We .232 JUNE 9 , 1981 turned the report in and as you know, we have scheduled another meeting to sit down. I sent a letter out to the Town Board, the Robins Island Committee meeting saying that we would meet next week. If anybody could not attend, please get back to me. So far I have had one person get back to me. They said they would be late, they would be there. I had one person get back to me saying that particular night was a bad night, that he could not make it. I •hope the next session will meet with your satisfaction, be a work session, whatever type you would like to call it , but it will be held and the public, if they do show up, will be invited to sit in. I said that night , John, that I would take questions- from the committee, from the Town Board in "give and take" , if they had none then I would open it up to the audience. The Town Board, the committee had very few to say. Councilman Murdock suggested that I open it up to the audience which I did. I feel that the report speaks for itself. I feel that it did meet the mandate of the requirements. We went over it . If you feel it was wrong, there are nine members on the committee. We reviewed. before we turned the report in. The mandates that the Town Board said, line by line, to make sure that we answered every question. I only regret that you did not take the time to attend a few of the meetings . There were twenty-five of them. I would love to have you there. If you felt it was being done incorrectly or . did not meet it , the minutes we did• get you should come and say, I'm not satisfied with it and speak for yourself at the committee meetings . Thank you very much. . Mr. Frank Bear. Wait a- minute, I have one more Councilman to go to. Councilman Murphy. COUNCILMAN MURPHY: I think the Robins Island Committee did a fairly decent j'ob. I disagree with you, John. I would like a copy, if I could, of your text and maybe we could analyze it and maybe on Thursday when we' re discussing with the Robins Island Committee, go over these points. If you are confused or if you feel that the job wasn't done. I think they did, from what I felt was their job . I think they did a very good job and to say no more, I would like a copy of it and I hope--I came with my jacket off at the last meeting and. I ' m sure that--- COUNCILMAN NICKLES: Then you were surprised too when you got there and find. out--- COUNCILMAN MURPHY: I had my jacket off. COUNCILMAN NICKLES : The point I'' was trying to make is that we came here, as many of you come to Town Board meetings know that we meet during the daytime in a small conference room and this was my under- standing. Instead we arrived .here with almost as many people as there were here tonight . SUPERVISOR PELL: Fifty-eight was here. _ COUNCILMAN MURPHY: John , it ' s an emotional issue. It ' s an issue that. a lot of people are involved in and a lot of people have the right to find out what the discussions are and I have no objections to talking in front of a group of people and asking questions and trying to get some answers and maybe I ' ll change my mind, maybe not . I wouldn' t be afraid to. COUNCILMAN NICKLES : I am not ever afraid to express my opinion as I think I proved tonight. One of the remarks I, made on May 26th was- that we were here to have a one on one situation and as people of the Robins 'Island Advisory Committee started to express certain things from in the report , people from the audience asked questions. First thing you know there was an -,adversary proceeding between the Robins Island Committee members and people in the audience. I find it personally difficult if you haven' t sat down with the committee that you, in a sense, asked you- to do you a job for six months and you can' t have---Bill said, and he' s correct , all of our meetings are public except when we talk about law .suits and personnel matters, but still the point is the Town Board passed two resolutions which everybody on this Town Board voted for. No one argued about the points in the resolutions, once they _we_re ready to be passed. For one example , the Town Board asked that Robins Island be compared with Fishers Island. The Robins. Island Committee, without notice or consultation with the Town Board, changed it . They in their wisdom decided Nassau Point should be compared with Robins Island and maybe they' re correct . The- only thing that I asked was that they should come back and say you fellows had the wrong thing JUNE 9 , 1981 233 here, this would be better. That ' s all not criticizing the committee. I 'm saying that Bill did not see that the committee followed the Town Board' s res6.lut;i,,o'n',;=,";",.t"hat'l-s all. And to say that to go to the meetings, there were twenty-five meetings. I 'm sure they ran two to three hours in length and we didn' t have to form a committee, we could have served on that committee, and the Town Board members could have spent twenty-five times two to three hours. They probably spent a hundred--hundreds of hours . Instead of getting minutes that you can follow, we were told it was on tape. Well, that ' s the same thing as going to. the meeting. You can sit down and listen to a tape for two or three hours, which you can read a set of minutes that ' s condensed down after all the discussion-- . we resolve to do this, we resolve to do that , see this person and that person--you can read that in ten or fifteen minutes. This is what I ' m saying, we were not given the information and as Bill knows we asked several times. Maybe you' re right . In retrospect you' re right , I should have gone to the meetings but I relied upon you- ' Bill, as a Town Board member to see that that committee did the job. That ' s all I have to say on it . FRANK BEAR: In the beginning of Councilman Nickles' statement there is - an error. of. fact. The first resolution that was passed by the Town Board, and I ' ll read 'it to you John in case you don' t remember. "Resolved that the Town Board does hereby create an authorize the Robins 'Island Advisory Committee as a Citizens . Advisory Board—. The Robins Island Advisory Committee shall be and hereby is charged with the responsibility to fully investigate and develop all avenues of preservingL-preserving-uthe Island" . Nothing about limitation in there, what you said a while ago which is untrue. Not factual. "Preserving the Island, including acquisition by the Town, using any and all available funding both public and private and be it further Resolved that- the Robins Island Advisory Committee shall make a preliminary report to the Town Board within two months and a full report within six months and when any Town agency has to decide upon- any application by the owners for develop- ment, to such agency as part of its regular hearing process, the .report to the Town Board shall include the following items of information: 1. Viable alternatives for preserving the Island in its natural state, with a recommendation as to the best method to proceed; " There is no discuss-ion in the first resolution , and you know this, about limited--limited development . None whatsoever. You put that in a resolution which I you presented in January in order to further complicate matters for the Robins Island Advisory Committee. I think that you have demonstrated in the very beginning that what you want is not preservation of that island but development of that island. SUPERVISOR PELL: All right , thank. you, Mr. Bear. COUNCILMAN NICKLES : Words re words, Frank, I do not argue,"with you, --the words that are in that resolution, but if you recall- on the day that the Save' Robins Island Committee and Town Board met there were several resolutions there. , There was much give and take between the Save Robins Island Committee and the Town Board. I think Mr. Sullivan at that time had a resolution and no matter what is written in there, it is my feeling .and my under- -standing from the conversations that we had, we had assurances - from the major people who were going to serve on that committee, they were going to study all aspects of preservation and that means from total preservation to limited preservation . If you want to turn that word around and use another word, yes, limited development. Because certainly there are ways of preservation of Robins Island without completely excluding some form of develop- ment . I ' m not here to advocate my position and certainly' to back up what I am saying, in December when we got the preliminary report-- now maybe I misunderstood what happened at the first meeting, but there' s four other gentlemen here and one of them wasn' t even on the Town Board--and we discussed this and a made a new resolution to clarify the direction of this committee. One--one of the things-- I don' t have the resolution--one of the things we asked was to study the legal aspects of upzoning Robins Island. I don ' t think that was given any study, that was lip service. We asked for comparisons between Fishers Island and Robins Island. There were numerous . other aspects that we asked. No one on the Town Board argued and said, . Gee, John , I don' t agree with that, I don' t agree with this, you' re all wet, didn' t you understand the- first resolution'. I could bend. Now, the only reason I'm criticizing Bill, he' s a Town Board member. 234 JUNE 9 , 1981 I ' m not criticizing the committee. I 'm not criticizing the committee, I' m criticizing the gentleman who had the obligation. I talked to people on the committee. I said, How come you changed this, how come you changed that? Well, we thought this was better. I said, You can' t change things when the Town Board sends- down3.a resolution that directs you to do a particular thing. You should come back and say what you sent down we want to modify. The Town Board has sat and reasoned and compromised on this matter from the beginning. I just resent the fact that changes were made without consultation with the Town Board and maybe I' m wrong, but I hold. Bill responsible for that. You never came back and .said, hey, Nickles, you know that resolution you passed on the 13th, that stuff you put in there about studying Fishers Island and Robins Island is really a lot of boloney; we think it ' s a lot better to do it this way and it would have been discussed and been resolved. But what happened? Nothing was told to the Town Board and we get this big report which many of you have seen is a fine report , all bound but Suffolk County, this thick, it ' s all locked in cement , so you sit down and read it and say, Gee , what the hell happened to the things we asked for? That ' s all. That ' s my comments. I ' m not here to advocate any particular position , I 'm just a little upset that you kind of misled--maybe it ' s my fault-- maybe I should have gone to the meetings as Bill did, but he knows we' re busy and I was relying on him to see that we got minutes .and that he made reports. When nothing forthcame, I didn' t see any- thing occurring out of the ordinary, I assumed that the committee was studying what they were supposed to be studying. MR. FRANK BEAR: I would like to respond to that by saying that many of the statements which you have made here, including the first one, are misleading statements.- SUPERVISOR PELL: Thank you, Mr. Bear. Councilman Drum. COUNCILMAN DRUM: We had a meeting with the Robins Island Committee and at that time I went on record assaying that , I was disappointed in the report and not in the findings of the report , but I was dis- appointed in the report itself. I felt that it ' was not objective nor substantial. It did not substantiate what was requested of them. I felt this way and I ' ve gone on record as saying so and I will reiterate what I .said. SUPERVISOR PELL: Thank you. Anyone else want to pick on, Robins Island tonight or Billy Pell? Mr. Sam Markel. SAMUEL MARKEL: I personally don' t think the Committee to Save Robins: Island was objective and created the proper atmosphere. I think two committees should be formed. One to save it and one to build it and then you would get the right answer and I suggest that John chair the one and Billy Pell chair the other and come back and report to us in six months . Or report to me in about two years, I don' t. care . SUPERVISOR PELL: I ' ll tell you all, since you've all been talking about me, I 'm proud of the report, the nine people , eight besides . myself who worked on that report. We put in a lot of effort . We went over point by point before we turned it in. We reviewed it-- reviewed the mandate of the Town Board and we feel it is a good report and we are proud of it , and I thank all the people who ,worked on it . I'm sorry John did not attend. I 'm sorry he feels the way he does and Hank feels the way he does, but I don' t . I'm proud of the report. It was a lot of work and a lot of good effort put forth into it and I ' ll stand with the report .. HENRY LYTLE: Mr. Supervisor, is .there a plan to present this as a referendum on voting this fall?: SUPERVISOR PELL: I have scheduled a meeting this week, as Councilman Murphy said, on Thursday of the nine members and the Town Board. So far I have one Town Board member said he would be there -but he might be late. I had one Robins Island Committee member call me today and said he cannot make it on that night , he is tied up . Those are the only two I heard of so far. If I get the majority of the Town Board and the majority ' of the committee available -on Thursday night I will hold what was referred to as a give and take, one on one. If any of you people should show up you be my guest , but I will hold the meeting. I will not close the doors, I will not lock you out. JUNE 9 , 1981 235 MR. LYTLE: Will this lead to, the question of a referendum? SUPERVISOR PELL: Yes, I want to discuss it on a one on .one basis and then see what they want to do with it . COUNCILS?AN DRUM: We haven ' t discussed it amongst ourselves at all. SUPERVISOR PELL: Anyone else wish to address the Board? This has been a good meeting, I enjoyed it . COUNCILMAN MURPHY: Bill, I have one comment . SUPERVISOR PELL: I was surprised. If John had gave me that during the working session today. instead of -a surprise tonight, I would have been more prepared for him. Councilman Murphy. COUNCILMAN MURPHY: I would like to ask our good friend in the back, Sam Markel, what he thinks of--just to get off the subject of Robins Island--what he thinks of the Beach Nurishment Program? MR. MARKEL: I 'm glad you asked. I personally feel that you have taken $3, 000. 00 and thrown it in the Sound. That trick that some- body advised you to do, we tried many times years ago and it never worked. With the problem that we have now, it definitely won' t work. You have wasted $3, 000. 00 and I understand you are going to do it again. I don ' t know how much that is going to cost but you are going to waste that again. I thought perhaps when I first saw some sand at the beach I thought Dean had put some sand there so that it could be used this summer and that sand if he did put it there this summer would definitely be gone next winter. The only possible solution you have--can have is to reduce the size of the jetty down at Peconic or build another jetty to the east of Kenneys Beach. That is your only alternative and whatever else you •are going to do is just a waste of time and money. If you would like a report on this I will show you some reports . SUPERVISOR PELL: Thank you,Mr. Markel. . MR. MARKEL: But I thank you for the effort anyhow. Nothing has been done there for fifteen years . 5 SUPERVISOR PELL: Councilman Nickles would like to. address that'. COUNCILMAN NICKLES: Sam, Kenneys Beach is all finished and we are not doing any more Nature Assisted Enhancement Program. There will be one more step which is the .normal step that occurs at all Town Beaches, Mr. Dean , our Public Works Department, takes a piece of equipment down there, scrapes up the debris and so on. ' The,-beach will be smoothed out. Right now, if you' ve noticed. if you' ve been there and I ' m sure you have Sam, it' s kind of steep but before the parking lot was here and the beach was down there . At least if you walk along there at night you are not going to fall off onto the beach. I was there this evening at 5 : 30. -MR. MARKEL: We had a rough sound. COUNCILMAN NICKLES : Now, I ' d like to comment further on what you said. You are probably right in everything you said. The Town Board had one problem facing it . We. just cannot go up unilaterally between the end of this winter or the middle of this winter when we began to see we were having serious problems there and remove a stone jetty. We also had other considerations . We could have done what some of the people that live near you have done, put in jetties but we understand that could precipitate further problems so we did what we thought was the most expedient and the least costly method of producing the sand on that beach for this summer. We are well aware that that sand will not be there come February next year. It is a question of either, opening the beach or closing the beach. As I indicated in -my Beach Committee report , we could have spent big bucks at a dollar a cubic yard and trucked sand in which I estimated would have been anywhere from ten to fifteen thousand dollars, perhaps more. So in a sense we did throw money down the drain, but it was our only solution short of closing the beach. 236 JUNE 9 , 1981 MR. MARKEL: Do you feel that the beach is a safe place now? COUNCILMAN NICKLES : I think when it is groomed off it will be a safe place, also when the ramp that is there is taken down. SUPERVISOR PELL: Does anybody else wish to address the Town Board? If not , a motion is in order to adjourn and I thank you all for coming out . On motion of Councilman Drum, seconded by Councilman Murdock, it was RESOLVED that there being no further business to come Ibefore this Town Board meeting adjournment be called at 9: 23 P.M.. Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilman Murphy, Councilman Murdock, Councilman Nickles, Councilman Drum, Supervisor Pell. This resolution was declared duly adopted. - udth T. Terr6l Town Clerk