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SOUTHOLD TOWN BOARD
April 21, 1981
EXECUTIVE SESSION
8: 40 A. M. - The Board met with Chief Carl Cataldo to discuss
;hiring pQline offiagrs from the civil service list - number
to hire, when to begin employment - who shall be employed.
(The next police academy starts May 18th. )
WORK SESSION
9: 20 A.M. - Chief Cataldo -explained the technicalities under
law relative to pronr)sPd -use of a confiscated Wel l ora,ft boat.
The Town cannot take title to this craft until October 1981,
but decided to refurbish it at an approximate cost of $180. 00
for the boat and $200. 00 for the engine and utilize it . .
9: 30 A.M. - Town Clerk Terry advised the Board that a customer
of C_ ATV had disconnected for four. months during the winter and
had recently requested reconnection and was advised he would be
required to pay for the reconnection, which is a legal charge
and he did not object to, as well as ,six months service JD
advance. After a discussion with CATV by Supervisor Pell and
.a reminder concerning the franchise which stated a customer
could not be charged for more: than two months in advance, .CATV
corrected their statement to the customer.
9: 35 A.M. - Councilman Drum reported on his meeting with the
Zoning, Planning and Building Qommittep,. and representatives .
from those departments. The decision was made that these
departments will submit their recommended changes in the Code ,'.
to the Planning Board secretary for distribution before the
llth of May for? review ,and on Thursday, May 21st the Committee
will meet to review all of the recommended changes.
9: 40 A. M. - Councilman Murphy reported that he has obtained a
booklet concerning multi-family homes from the Tri-State Planning
Commission. He suggested that a meeting with the Zoning and
Planning Boards be held, followed by a public informational
meeting to determine whether there is a need for a change in
the Zoning Ordinance to permit, multi-family dwellings. He
personally feels there is a definite need for them.--Councilman
Murdock questioned the affect of multi-family dwellings on
population density, ground water and solid waste.--Councilman
Murphy stated restrictions should be enacted and each case
handled on an individual basis, perhaps two. year permits, no
absentee landlords. He will set up a meeting with representatives
from the Zoning and Planning Boards.
9: 45 A.M. - The Board met with Venetia McKeighan, Manager of
the Southold Town Nutrition Site concerning cutbacks in the
program. The use of volunteers was discussed and Mrs. McKeighan
said they have advertised through service agencies but have not
had any responses for volunteers. There is a resolution before
the county legislature relative to reapportionment of federal
revenue sharing funds which could be utilized by the program,
but a similar resolution has been vetoed twice by County Executive
Cohalan. . Supervisor Pell feels there will be a compromise with
regard to the pending resolution. He said he will study the
Town budget to determine where the $8059. 00 which Mrs . McKeighan
is requesting to take care of needed services, and will meet with
her again at the May 5th work session of the Board.
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10: 00 A.M. - The Board discussed the bid opening for sale and
removal of the former refreshment buildine _at Southold Town
Beach_. Arshamomaque. Since the Board had requests to rent the
building they had decided to reevaluate this following the bid ,
opening which took place on April 20th. Two bids were received '
John Geier for $510. 00 and Richard Wilton for ' $1012. 00. The Board
was polled and it was decided to enter a resolution on the agenda - .,
to accept the bid of Richard Wilton.
10: 15 A. M. - Henry Moisa,,� Chairman of the Board of Assessors met
with the Board to discuss hirinp: .Denise Johnson a CETA worker.-
as a part-time Clerk Typist '.in their office following her.termina-
tion from the CETA program on April 30th. Mr. Moisa advised the
Board that the volume of work in the Assessor' s Office has been
increasing steadily and they are falling back in record keeping,
reports and filing. Ms. Johnson would be of tremendous help, as
she is now familiar with the record keeping in that department and
can aid the Assessors in implementing the Alarm System. ,.Mr...:.Moisa
went on to explain the Alarm System to the Board, but requested
that the Board meet with a representative of the New York State
Department of Equalization and' Assessment for further details.
It .was agreed that Mr. Mosa would invite such a,
representative
to the May 12th work session at 2: 00 P.M. The Board also agreed
to place a resolution on the agenda to hire Denise Johnson as a
part-time Clerk-Typist at. $4. 50 per hour for 20 hours per week.
11: 05 A.M. - The Board resumed reviewing the agenda.
Supervisor Pell report that as a result of a meeting of the Ten
Town Supervisor' s Aggsociation, they adopted a resolution to request
allocation of the state sales tax from the County of Suffolk.
Supervisor Pell apologized to the Board for the fact that the
report of the Robin' s Island Advisory Committee, appeared in the
press prior to being delivered to the Board members (the report
has' yet to the received by the Board . members) . Supervisor Pell
stated the report is at the printers. Councilman Murdock commented
that,. the report should not have been available to the press, as it
was not' in its final form and, the Board members had not had an
opportunity to see it. Supervisor Pell explained that when the
press asked to see the report, 'he 'said they could review the file
in his office, but would -not receive copies until the final report
has been delivered by the printer.
Discussion was held concerning the "No Parking:" signs-, in front of
the Snifthold -Pre-shyterian Church and the Town Clerk was instructed
to write a letter to .Austin Emery, Department. of Transportation,
NYS, requesting that he meet with the Board on May 5th to inspect
and discuss the "No Parking" signs.
Discussion was held concerning community residences proposed by
the N.Y.S. Office of Mental Retardation and Developmental Disabilities..
There is a resolution pending on the 3: 00 P. M. regular meeting agenda
concerning the proposed sites at Short Road, Cutchogue, Gillette
Drive, East Marion, and Plum Island Lane, Orient. Councilman Murdock
suggested that Barbara Townsend of OMRD be invited to the May 12th
work session to answer questions concerning the program: i. e, how
many sites are proposed in the Town of Southold, how many people
in the Town are in need of these services (a point brought out by
Councilman Drum) , what is the criteria. for each community and how
are the programs working out in ' otber 'communities (a point brought
forth by Councilman Murphy) , and any other. information that might
be pertinent.
After further discussion and review of agenda items, the Board
recessed for lunch at 12: 35 P.M.
Work session resumed at 1: 40 P.M.
1: 45 P.M. - Merle Wiggins, Roger Hecklinger of Velzy Associates,
and Gary Strang of Sacco & Ahlers made a presentation to the Town
Board concerning solid waste management, Charles R. Velzy Assoc-
iates, Inc. , Armonk, New York is a consulting engineering firm for
sanitary engineering. Velzy Associates submitted a proposal for
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a comprehensive review' and study`-Wit' recomrr" ded solutions for
the Town' s -solid waste disposal problems in a letter dated- November
4, 1980. The proposed to accomplish the work at $13, 500. 00 and the
cost proposal remains the same. Mr. Hecklinger explained in detail
their proposal which consists of:
1. A review of and analysis of proposals submitted to date.
2. A thorough evaluation of the value of the Town ' s solid
waste as a resource to produce steam and/or electricity.
3: Determine the most efficient and economical method and
equipment to accomplish #2 above..
4. An evaluation of benefits from re-cycling of any portion
of the solid waste.
5. An evaluation with recommendations of proposed equipment
for air emissions control and compliance with air quality standards.
6. A determination of quantity and quality of residual material
(ashes and non-burnables) with recommendations on how best to dispose
of same. '
7. A review with recommendations for the Town' s scavenger waste
problem to include discussion with the Village of Greenport on use
of their central sewage treatment plant.
8. Recommendation of location of a waste processing plant
that would best take advantage of its generated energy resource.
9. Review of all proposals with appropriate Federal, State
and County officials.
Councilman Murdock asked if the firm would have access to
private funding. Mr. Hecklinger stated they definitely have people
in mind that can privately fund privatewaste facilities; however
the size becomes a factor since the Town' s facility would bring a
relatively small profit. --The Board will consider Velzy' s proposal
and will be receiving presentations, ,from other firms in the future,
including Energy Development Corporation who will appear before the
Town Board on May 12, 1981.
The Board resumed reviewing the agenda at 2: 30 P. M.
The Board again discussed OMRD community residence sites. Councilman
Drum opposed the Short Road and Plum Island Lane sites, as'- well as
Gillette Drive, which has been withdrawn as unsuitable structurally.
Councilman Murdock opposed all .three sites, as did Councilman Murphy.
Councilman Nickles opposed all three sites,; stating that there, are
presently three sites in the Town' (oneIin Greenport Village) and
he would not like to see any more sites until a report is provided
from- OMRD relative to how the three existing sites are functioning.
He would also like to know from OMRD how many sites are in existence
and proposed in other towns in Suffolk County. Supervisor Petlll said
he would abstain from voting but would be willing to arrange for
friends, who .have been house parents in a community residence,,, to
meet with the Board.
The Board debated the interpretation of "civic groups" with relation
to use of the Senior/Youth Center. ' A request was received from The
West Creek Estates Property Owners Association to hold their semi-
annual meetings at the Center. The Board decided to permit this
group to use the building for the aforesaid meetings.
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A regular meeting of the Southold Town Board was held on Tuesday, ,
April 21, 1981 at the Southold Town Hall, " Main' Road, Southold, New
York. Supervisor Pell opened the meeting at 3: 00 P. M.. with the
Pledge of Allegiance to the Flag.
Present:
Supervisor William R. Pell, III
Councilman Henry W. Drum
Councilman John J. Nickles
Councilman Lawrence Murdock, Jr.
Councilman Francis J. Murphy
Town Clerk Judith T. -Terry
Town Attorney Robert W. Tasker
Absent: Justice Francis T. Doyen
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On motion of Councilman Drum, seconded by Councilman Murdock, it was
RESOLVED that the minutes of the Southold Town Board meetings. of
April 7, 1981 and April 14, 1981 be and the same are hereby approved.
Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilman Murphy, Councilman
Murdock, Councilman Nickles, Councilman Drum, Supervisor Pell .
This resolution was declared duly adopted.
On motion of Councilman -Drum, seconded by Councilman Murphy, it was
RESOLVED that the _next regular meeting of the Southold Town Board
will be held at 7: 30 P. M. , Tuesday, May 5 . 1981 at the Southold
Town Hall, Main Road, . Southold, New York.
Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilman Murphy, Councilman
7Murdock, Councilman Nickles, Councilman Drum, ' Supervisor Pell.
This resolution was declared duly adopted. .
I . . REPORTS - SUPERVISOR PELL:
1. Report of. the _North Fork Animal League for the month ,.of
March (1981) .
2. Report of _Justice Doyenlfor three months from Fishers
Island - January, February, March (1981)'.
3. Report from Long -Island _ablevision (March 1981 ) .
4. The Councilmen have some reports to make and I. will start
with Councilman Murdock.
COUNCILMAN -MURDOCK: The only added report we have is we just talked
today to Sacco and Ahlers reference to an engineering proposal for
the -disnosal area., The Board isn' t ready to act on their recommenda-
tion as yet. We will have Energy .Development Corporation come here
and Councilman Murphy and myself are going to a financing seminar
and by then maybe we' ll have a little more to report to the Town.
SUPERVISOR PELL: Thank you. Councilman Drum?
COUNCILMAN DRUM: Last week we--the committee met , John Nickles
and myself with Frank Murphy in attendance--we met with the .Zo_ ninz.
Bna.rd, the Planning %2rri arri the .Riii l rii ng TnanPr'tnrc We are in
the process of reviewing our zoning--planning ordinances and the
definitions. We plan on meeting again on the 21st of May at which
time we hope we will have all the recommended changes in to review
them.
SUPERVISOR PELL: Thank you. Councilman Murphy has a report.
COUNCILMAN MURPHY: Yes, Bill, on legal two-family housing. I have
sent away to the Tri-State Regional Planning Board for some books
on this. As soon as they come we will set up a. meeting---I believe
Jerry (Goehringer) is the representative from the Board of Appeals---
and the Planning Board and the Town Board to discuss this, at which
time we' ll set up a public informational meeting to give out informa-
tion and get some input from the people. What it is is to take some
of these older homes to help older people whose family has moved away,
maybe a husband' died, a wife died, to convert it into another apartment .
The towns to the west of us have done this illegally for quite some.
time and now are finding it; .quite a job to convert these and to get
these houses legal and I feel that. before it really gets to be. a
problem here that we should- address it and do it in the right way
and I think we can also help a lot of senior citizens. Thank you.
SUPERVISOR PELL: You' re welcome. Councilman Nickles?
COUNCILMAN NICKLES: On the Beach Committee, we met last Tuesday
with Sea Grant relative to discussion of erosion at Town Beach
on the Sound on -Kenney' s Beach,._and. a report was filed on that and
recommendation made. Earlier this year the Beach Committee dis-
cussed the concession or refreshment stand at Town Beach, formerly
known as Jack' s Shack. That went out to 'bid after discussion on
the Board to either have the building removed or torn down. We
received two bids and later in the.-meeting there will be a resolution
accepting one of the offers to remove the building.
SUPERVISOR PELL: Thank you. As for myself, I have three items I ' d
like to report .on. One of them was a meeting we had with our county
executive, Mr. Richards and Mr. Mrazek from the county legislature
-requesting the county to share with the ten towns scmeofits males
tax revenue_ Last year they exceeded'in revenue approximately
thirteen million dollars than they had anticipated. There are
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45 counties in the State ' of New York, 32 of them share with the
different towns within the counties. We feel -it should be 33.
We did meet and request this. A committee was formed from the ten
towns. We have Supervisor Vecchio, Supervisor Lefkowitz and Super-
visor Janowski from Riverhead Town representing the ten towns to
meet with three people from the' legislature. to see if we could not
work out some compromise where some of this sales tax could be
returned to the .ten towns. They have a June lst deadline to get
their recommendations back to us.
The feeder bus route, and the 5-92 route that runs from--
basically from Greenport to the southside through Riverhead--
has been started. Our feeder bus route in Southold Town has,
I' m going to use the word. "finally" being accepted by the residents.
It is being used. For the longest time the number was anywheres .
from 40 to 50 people using it. Now the average number is up around
80. The east end of our Township used it and now the west end is
finally starting to use it. The 5-92 line, which is the bus that
runs up to Riverhead Hospital, to Woolco Shopping Center, the
county seat, all the way to Southampton, that has just been put ..
on line and it is doing well over 100 people a day using that .
That is far better than the .anti.cipation was of that route when
it was done at such an early stage. So these bus lines are
starting to be used to a degree; there is still room for improve-
ments.
The Robins . Island Committee which I chaired, after six months,
last Thursday night , wound up its final work. The. final work was
turned over to be printed up and distributed to the Town Board.
It will be distributed, I hope, by the end of this week. I know
you all read a lot of it in the press about it. There have been
no copies given out . The press had come in and gone through them
files to get their information: I ' a little bit awkward to say,
I had wished, I make no bones about it, I had wished that it had
not been in the press until after the Town Board had reviewed it,
but it didn' t work out that way. It has been approximately--you
have nine people on that--we met about 26--25 or 26 nights--two
hours a night and a lot of effort put into it. Councilman Murdock
said today the report was 119 pages long. I think he' s fairly
close, he missed by a hundred, there should be a two in front of
that. With the appendix it is over 200 pages long. The actual
report, Larry' s right, the actual report is about 119, but the
appendix that goes with it, the . graphs of taxes puts it way up,.
It will be distributed, I hope, by the end of this week.
Basically that ' s the reports that I have to make.
II , PUBLIC NOTICES - COUNCILMAN NICKLES:
1. From the orb of Engineers, application by Katherine
Ruebsamen to maintain a groin extension at Cedar Beach. . Comments
have. to be made by May .7th.
2 . From theD�partment gf Transr`ortation._...Traffic and
Safety. Three notices, 1, to amend Corwin Lane with a stop sign,
this street is called Doctor' s Path or Peanut Alley, it ' s near
Sophie' s, a well known establishment, Willomere Inn in Southold.
Also, 2. Akerly Pond Road, they are going to put a stop sign at
the entrance on the north, and 3. is a yield sign at Tuckers Lane
and Route 25, which I think we will be referring that to the Police
Chief to see if that is the proper sign.
3. Again from the of Fa,gineers- regarding t :;hick Inlet
arina where. they have a dredging permi.t.. Responses may be made
by May llth.
4. New York State _ppartment of Egvi.ronmental �Qnservation,
Notice of Complete Application by Ha.rbor Lights Association for
maintenance dredging at an. inlet there. Responses' by May 6th...
5, Again the DEC. Complete .Application by Mattituck Inlet
Marina for maintenance dredging.. Response May 6th.,
6. Department of the Army, Corers of Engineers_, application
cd
relative to dredging the, Plum Isla ferry slip, . Responses .on
that is May 14th.
7. Again from the DT,EC,which is a variance located on the
Sound east of McCabe' s Beach. There will be a public hearing
May 1st at 10: 00 A.M. in the Suffolk County .Legislat:ive Meeting
Room in Riverhead.
8. Suffolk County .Housing Task Force is sponsoring a program
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relating to housing needs on May 7th at 9: 30 A.M. to 12: 30 P.M.
at the Suffolk County Legislature Conference Room and the public
is invited.
All of these notices are on file with the Town Clerk .if you
wish to look at them you may do so.
SUPERVISOR PELL: Thank you. I have one more that just came in
today and I would just like to announce it because it is the
Southold Town Youth Projection, Inc., which operates out of the
Peconic Lane building. They are having a car wash there on May
23rd from 1: 00 to 4: 00 P. M. ; money to go to the Youth Projection.
On the 24th at 1: 30, this week, Suffolk County Police are coming
out and giving a Lecture on self-defense to all people concerned
and he did put notices out so.' the seniors that use the building
will see it also and perhaps some of them will come.
III. COMMUNICATIONS - SUPERVISOR PELL:
1. East Hamntoo Township telling us of an evacuation plan
that they have put into effect and for us to be aware of what
they are doing. We have an evacuation plan, a very thorough one,
for the residents of Fishers Island, which you realize is part
of Southold Town and it is- in the ten mile circle of a nuclear plant .
Councilman Drum has worked on that with Councilman-Justice Doyen
and the people on Fishers Island. That is in effect and there has
been a lot of work put. in on that .
COUNCILMAN DRUM: In fact I might mention, Bill, we do have a
rough •.draft of 'a plan for Southold Town which is being considered.
SUPERVISOR PELL: 2. A report from C'.a.blevi si on saying they are
going to take Showtime off and put - on B o�tlight in its place
some time around May 1st.
3. - Again from East Hampton Town, a resolution they have
going against the proposed Assembly Bill to make the striped
bass size which is 16 inches in New York State now, to be 24
inches. They sent it to us asking that we also go on record as
supporting- this. I have requested some information to come to
the Town that there is a federal program going on-on- striped
bass. Every state has a different law. In Maryland you can take
the small ones, but over 15 pounds, . I believe. it is, you have to
throw them back. In Jersey it' s against the _law to catch striped
bass commercially. Connecticut you can' t sell striped bass. The
federal government, through the states, has asked for one law to
govern the species. This has been in the works since I have been
involved with fisheries for the last two years. The committee is
jus.t about done making final reports . I 'm trying to . get my hands
on what some of the recommendations are so we can evaluate it. I
will put this on the agenda again : and have the Board take a stand
on it but I have suggested we wait until I see if I can get the
study. I don' t know when it is going to be released.
4. RUguest for sand from a Mrs. Martha J. Paul up in Nassau
Point .ti'lhen dredging is done in the area she would like people to
put the sand on her beach.
5. A financial report, P & L you can say, from ,Cablevision
__ _ for 1980 and as you know the Town does get some moneys back from
the franchise, approximately free percent. The Town' s share is
,515, 000. 00 for last year. I believe .we put eleven, twelve, thir-
teen in the budget for income. Their business was so .good we are
going to get a little bit more .
6. Reauest from EOC requesting the Town Board to write to
our legislature in Washington, our congressmen and senators and
ask them to oppose the President ' s cuts that he has been making.
They gave us three sample messages to say. The Town Board reviewed
it and we .will write to them but we will not use any of the suggested
ones, we will have one of our own and basically we will ask them to
look carefully at any reductions that would hurt the poor people,
the really truly needy people. We felt theirs was too basic.
7. A request for financial aid from a group that is going
to put on, in the Village of Greenport, "You' re a Good Man Charlie
-Brown" , a play this summertime. . •They have received some financial
aid from some communities and they would like Southold Town to
help them out. That again is a request and I will put it on the
agenda again to be reviewed after I look at the budget in that area
to see if any money is available for them.
8. From Councilman Nickles- and I fully understand his reason-
ing behind it and I do accept it . Councilman Nickles,- this year was
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put on the Disposal Area Committee. Since I put him on that in
January I assigned him to two other committees, special ones.
There is only 24 hours in a day and his job is a part-time job.
Councilman Nickles has resigned from the Disposal Area Committee.
In place of that he will be serving on-----no, we laugh, it is a
lot of work. John does a superb job. He will be working on the
contract coming .up with the North Fork Animal League and the Dog
Pound. We have a contract we have to revise and review with them
which is going to take some time and also he mentioned Councilman
Drum .and himself serve on the Building Department, Zoning and
Planning Board and are going to review, all of these regulations
and make recommendation's to the Town Board.", As John says, there
are only so many hours in a day. John, I accept it . Thank you
for serving--with regrets.
V. RESOLUTIONS
SUPERVISOR PELL: Appointment to' the Zonin.- Board of Appeals 1.. We
had two applications for it. We discussed it in the working
session of the Board today and I would like to point out before
a resolution was made, there will be one made, to get anything '
passed on Southold Town Board you need four affirmative votes .
This is a six member Board. Justice Doyen from Fishers Island.
Three votes do not pass, we need four. I.n case of today, I don' t
think we will have the four votes to pass. The present appointment--
the gentleman who is on .the Board now wi.11 serve as a holdover. This
could be brought up any time the Board decides to bring it up, but
it still will be a full compliment - for the work of the Zoning Board
of Appeals.
1. On motion of Councilman Drum, seconded by Councilman Murdock, it was
RESOLVED that the -Town Board of the Town of Southold reap oin .
Robert J. Douglass a member of the Southold Town Board of Appeals
for .a. five year term expiring on April 19, - 1986.
Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilman Murdock, Councilman
Nickles, Councilman Drum. Nos: Councilman Murphy, Supervisor ,
Pell.
This resolution was declared lost.
SUPERVISOR PELL: I want to 'point out that that Board still will
function. It still will have five members on the Board. Mr.'
Douglass will serve on that Board until he is replaced--known as
a holdover.
Planning Board appointment. I have one application for it.
No competition on this one. I would like to recommend the name .
of G. Ritchie Latham, Jr.
2. On motion of Supervisor Pell, seconded by Councilman Murphy, it was
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold reappoint
G_ Ritchie Latham, Jr, a member of the Southold Town Planning
Board for a five year term expiring on April 30, 1986.
Vote of the Town' Board: Ayes: Councilman Murphy, Councilman
Murdock, Councilman Nickles, Councilman Drum, Supervisor Pell.
This resolution was declared duly adopted.
3. Moved by Councilman Nickles, .seconded by Councilman Murdock,
WHEREAS Burton Potter Post #185, American Legion, .Greenport,
New York has applied to the Town Clerk for a .Bingo License, and
WHEREAS, the Town Board has examined the application and after
investigation, 'duly made findings and determinations as required
by law,
NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED that the Supervisor be and he 'hereby
is authorized and directed to execute on behalf of the Town Board
of the Town of Southold the findings and determinations as required
by law, . and it is further
RESOLVED that the Town .Clerk be and 'she hereby is directed to
issue a Bingo License to the Burton Potter Post #185, American
Legion, Greenport , New York.
Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilman Murphy, - Councilman
Murdock, Councilman Nickles, Councilman Drum, Supervisor Pell.
This resolution was declared duly adopted.
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4'. On motion of Councilman Murphy, seconded by Councilman Nickles, it was
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold award the
bid for cleaning the uniforms of the members of the Southold Town
Police Department for the period commencing on the 1st day of May,
1981 and ending on the 30th day of April, 1982, to the lowest
bidder Village Dry Cleaners, Greenport, New York, at the following
bid prices:
$ .. 75-Uniform Trousers No Charge-Jacket Liners
$ ._20-Uniform Long- Sleeve Shirts No Charge-Uniform Sweaters
$ . 75-Uniform Jackets No Charge-Neckties -
$ . 60-Eisenhower Jackets No Charge-Hats
$1. 25-Outer Jackets
Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilman . Murphy, Councilman
Murdock, Councilman Nickles, Councilman Drum, Supervisor Pell.
This resolution was declared duly adopted.
SUPERVISOR PELL: I ' d like to point out there was three bids on
this.
5. Moved by Councilman Murdock, seconded by Councilman Drum,
WHEREAS, Dur Lady of Grace Church. .Fishers Island, New York, has
applied to the Town Clerk for a Bingo .Liaense4, and
WHEREAS, the Town Board has examined the application and after
investigation, duly made findings and determinations as required
by law,
NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED that the Supervisor be and he
hereby is authorized and directed to execute on behalf of the
Town Board of the Town of Southold the findings and determinations
as required by law, and it is further
RESOLVED that the Town Clerk be and she hereby is directed to issue
a Bingo License to Our Lady of Grace Church, Fishers Island; New
York.
Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilman Murphy, Councilman
Murdock, Councilman Nickles, Councilman Drum, Supervis.or Pell.
This resolution was declared duly adopted.
SUPERVISOR PELL: Number 6 we are not ready to act. upon yet. We
want a little more informat"ion on that and have .it 'reviewed by
the Town Attorney, so we are going to table that. one for now.;
(6. Accept the performance bond, in the amount of $78, 000 from
the subdivision known as "Honeysuckle "Hills" . )
7. On motion of Councilman Drum, seconded by Councilman Murphy, it was
RESOLVED that the Town - Board of the Town of .Southold grants
permission to the Mat i. u k ,' .h mb .r of Commere to close Love
Lane; ..Mattituck and use the parking area opposite the North Fork
Bank, . 75 ft. west of Love Lane along the north side of Pike
Street, from 9: 00 A.M. to 4: 00 P.M. on July 18, 1981, for the
purpose of holding their Annual' Mattituck 2 lames nay; provided
they secure the necessary insurance to hold the Town of Southold
harmless.
Vote of the Town Board: . Ayes: Councilman Murphy, Councilman
Murdock, Councilman Nickles, Councilman Drum, Supervisor Pell.
This resolution was declared duly adopted.
8. On motion. of Councilman Murdock, seconded by Councilman Drum, it was
RESOLVED that Bond No. 73 5-17307 BCA issued by The Aetna Casualty
and 'Surety Company in the sum' of $200, 000. 00 on behalf of Francis.
J. Murphy as Deputy Supervisor, Town of. Southold, be and the same
is hereby approved as form, manner of execution and sufficiency
Of sureties therein.
Vote of. the Town Board: Ayes: Councilman Murphy, Councilman
Murdock, Councilman Nickles, Councilman Drum, Supervisor Pell.
This resolution . was declared duly adopted.
9. On motion of Councilman' Drum, seconded .by Councilman Nickles, it was
RESOLVED that .son No. 73 S-17306 B ;e issued by The Aetna Casualty
and Surety Company in the sum of $15, 000. 00 on behalf of Francis
J.-Murphy as Deputy Sljerv;s=. of Fishers Island Ferry' District
Funds be and the same is hereby approved as to form, manner of
execution and sufficiency of; sureties' therein.
Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilman Murphy, Councilman
Murdock, Councilman .Nickles,. Councilman Drum, Supervisor Pell.
This resolution was declared duly adopted.
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SUPERVISOR PELL: Number 10 is to award a bid for a backhoe-
loader. We had one bid for this piece of equipment. It was
George Malvese & Co.
10. On motion of Councilman Murdock, seconded by Councilman Nickles, it was
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold award the
bid for furnishing and delivering to the Town of Southold one
new Backhoe-Loader (190 Series Three Dynahoe Backhoe/Loader) ,
all in accordance with the specifications, to (nTeo-rge Malvese &
_Co. , Inc. , Hicksville, New York at the following bid price:
(a) Furnish and deliver one new Backhoe-Loader - $78,400. 00
(b) Less trade-in allowance for Town owned Ford
Backhoe and 1965 Hough Payloader - $ 8, 500. 00
(c) Net Price (a minus b) - $69,900. 00
Vote of the Town Board_. Ayes: Councilman Murphy, Councilman
Murdock, Councilman Nickles, Councilman Drum, Supervisor Pell.
This resolution was declared duly adopted.
SUPERVISOR PELL: Number 11, a street sweeper. We had three bids
on this.
11. On motion of Councilman Nickles, seconded'by Councilman Drum, it was
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold award the.
bid for furnishing and delivering to the Town of Southold one
new Street - Sweeper (Model TE-4 Mobil Sweeper) , all in accordance
with the specifications, to George Malvese & Co. , *Inc. , Hicksville,
New York, at the following bid price:
(a) Furnish and deliver one new Street Sweeper - $53, 787. 00
(b) Less trade-in allowance for. Town owned
1968 Mobil Sweeper: : ,.;,; - $ 2, 200. 00
(c) Net Price (a minus b) - $51, 587. 00
Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: ' Councilman Murphy, Councilman
Murdock, Councilman Nickles, Councilman Drum, Supervisor Pell.
This resolution was declared duly adopted.
SUPERVISOR PELL: I' d like to interrupt here in case somebody says
how does the Town Board expect to pay for this. We are going to
go out and sell $78, 000. 00 worth of bond notes. We have in the
budget, put away, for this year.; forty-two, forty-three, forty-
four thousand dollars for this equipment. = We ' did anticipate' -this
when we made the budget up last fall and it is some equipment we
need. But we will go out for bond notes of approximately
$78, 000. 00, We just, in March, paid. off a five year bond note we
had before for street lights of $11, 000. 00. We got rid, of one
bond and now we are going to start again. It ' s equipment we "need.
Number 12. We are going .to wait on that one. We' re not .
quite ready to move. We have to get some more information from
the state and then review by counsel. (No. 12 - Amend the resolu-
tion establishing a minimum annual salary and minimum work week
for all new employees to be qualified for benefits. )
13. On motion of Councilman Nickles, seconded by Councilman Murphy, it was
RESOLVED .that the Town Board of the Town of Southold SUPPORTS
Assembly Bill no. 5269--Senate Bill no. 3933, entitled "AN- ACT
to amend the civil service law, in relation to the dates established
for the Vietnamwar", and be it further .
RESOLVED ,that the Town Clerk be .and she hereby is authorized and
directed to forward a copy of this resolution to New York State
Assemblyman John Behan and. New York. State Senator Kenneth LaValle.
Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilman Murphy, Councilman
'Murdock, Councilman Nickles, Councilman Drum, Supervisor Pell.
This resolution was declared duly adopted.
COUNCILMAN NICKLES: I just would like to say that this would
amend the civil service law so that it would conform with the
federal date, changing the- date to the end of the war from
March 29th, 1973 to May 7, 1975. Some veterans of the Vietnam
war were notable to participate in various--have .the benefits of
various items under our civil service law which did not conform
state-wide with the federal regulations. A good example would be
the' case of a police officer that served during that time would
not have been eligible for the three to five points that get added
on to their test score. Some veterans are entitled to it and some
are not. The purpose of this legislation is to correct that .
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14. On motion of Councilman Murphy, seconded by Councilman' Nickles, it was
RESOLVED thatthe application 'of -Sophie T. Saunders, dated April 14,
1981, for permission to maintain a single family .trailer on the
north side of -Main Road, Laurel, New York, be and hereby is renewed
for a six (6) month period.
Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilman Murphy, Councilman
Murdock, Councilman Nickles, Councilman Drum, Supervisor Pell.
This resolution was declared duly adopted.
SUPERVISOR PELL: Number 15 we' re not ready to move on yet. I need
more information on that one. In fact, I think I need a whole new
page on that thing. (No. 15. Authorization for approval of ship-
ment of new editions of. Current Laws. )
Number 16. Southold-Peconic' Senior Citizens request a bus
trip.
16. On motion of Councilman Murphy, seconded by Councilman Nickles, it was
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold grant permission
to The -Seniors Club of Southold-Peconic, Inc. to contract for one
bus_ at a cost of $350. 00 to transport their group to _Madison Square
Garden on May 8, 1981 to attend the circus . .
COUNCILMAN NICKLES: Do you want to explain that one, Bill?
SUPERVISOR PELL: The Town Board is reviewing the budget acti.vites
because of major cutbacks and cutbacks in programs that will have
to be made within the Town. They have instructed 'me to talk to
the senior citizen groups which I have reached two of them so far
and one more to go, to tell them to- reevaluate the use of their
funds very carefully. The Town Board is considering whether they
are going to still allow the amount of money they appropriated in
the budget or if they are going to have to reappropriate some of
it for somewhere else. We are under great strain with the Nutrition
Program in Greenport being cut .. . We had the Site Manager in today.
She went to a meeting today and we don' t. know-the ' outc'ome of it yet .
Her funds are being cut, her personnel was cut . The Town of Islip
and the Town of Southold did take money .to fund these programs in
the two townships to keep them going. Now, I had' a meeting with
them on Friday of last week, : with Mrs . Adelaide Silkworth, to go
over -the budget with her and some of these things that have to be
cut and there was legislation introduced into the county legisla-
ture today to restore some oflthe funds. We do not know the out-
come of that .. It has to be signed by the county executive if it ' s
going to come through. Right now we are just looking at everything
very carefully and before more trips will be--this trip was in the
works, I knew about it two weeks ago, the people told me about it
and the tickets were bought and so we felt we had to go along with
this -one, but the rest of them will be scrutinized very closely.
Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: _ Councilman Murphy, Councilman
Murdock, Councilman Nickles, Councilman Drum, Supervisor Pell.
This resolution was declared duly adopted.
17. On motion of Councilman Murdock, seconded by Councilman Drum, it was
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby grants
permission to the C tahogue Fire District for the exclusive use of
the district parking field opposite the Cutchogue Firehouse on
July 17, 18, 19, 1981 for use in connection with a parade and
drill on July 18, 1981, and on August 21, 22, and 23, 1981 for use
in connection with their annual barbecue on August 22, 1981, provided
they secure the necessary insurance to hold the Town of Southold
harmless.
Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilman Murphy, Councilman
Murdock, Councilman Nickles, Councilman Drum, Supervisor Pell.
This resolution was declared duly adopted.
SUPERVISOR PELL: Number 18 is to amend a resolution that was made
on January 13, 1981 ' and I will read it.
18. On motion of Supervisor-Pell, seconded: by Councilman Drum, it was
RESOLVED that Resolution No. 2 adopted by the Southold Town Board
on January 13, 1981 be and hereby is amended to read as follows:
"AND BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of
Southold hereby transfers $11, 000. 00 from General Fund Whole Town
contingent Account A1990.4 to Programs for the Aging A6772. 2
(equipment) , to pay for the 15 passenger Plymouth Voyager Maxi-
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Wagon.. The Town will,*-be reimbursed b-, ' .the S. ,f�folk County Office
for the Aging for this expenditure'' .
Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilman Murphy, Councilman
Murdock, Councilman Nickles, Councilman`�:Drum, Supervisor Pell.
This resolution was declared duly adopted.
SUPERVISOR PELL: I ' ll explain that to you. The Town bought a
van that will be refunded by the count y in full, the $11, 000'. 00.
'We have an auditor here_, he has been here for six weeks and will
be here for another. six to eight weeks. He is a state auditor
auditing the Town books. First time in' six years we have had it
done and this is one of the items that he picked up. Before we
transferred it from the same place but we. didn' t put it into a
specific line item. That's why we had to put that A6772, 2 there
to make it .right.
This auditor who is here will be here for three to four
months and he' s doing Ia very thorough job and he keeps bringing
up different points and every once in a while you say, "What? Where
did you pick that one up?" and he will say, "law number so and so
and so and so, " and he breaks the law out, and I read it. It ' s an
education in itself, believe me. You' say, "This went on for so many
years before, why stop now?" and he says, "Because I 'm here now. "
It ' s a lot of fun.
Number 19. We had much discussion on this today and Council-
man Drum, I believe--go ahead Hank.
19. On motion of Councilman Drum, seconded by Councilman Murdock,. it was
(a) RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town;' of Southold hereby declares
themselves OPPOSED to the establishment of a Community Residence
Site by the New York State Offi_ne of Mental Retardation and .De.velop-
mental Disabilities at Ohort,.Roatd �Cutchogu,p, New York.
Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilman Murphy, Councilman
Murdock, Councilman Nickles, Councilman Drum. Abstain: Supervisor.
Pell,
This resolution was declared duly adopted.
SUPERVISOR PELL: I will abstain on all three because my daughter
is employed directly with this outfit.
19. On motion of Councilman Murdock, seconded by Councilman Nickles, it was
(b) RESOLVED that the Town. ,Board of 'the Town of Southold hereby..,declares
themselves—OPPOSED_ to, the establishment of=a ,Community Residence
Site by the New York State office of Mental RetardatioDi-and Develop-
mental Disabilities at .1750 Gillette Drive; Fast Marign,:- New .York.
Vote of the Town B :oard: Ayes Zuncilman Murphy, Councilman ,,,
Murdock, Councilman Nickles; Councilman Drum. Abstain: Supervisor
Pell.
This,.resolution was declared duly adopted.
19. On motion of Councilman' Murphy, seconded by Councilman Nickles`, it was
(c) RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby declares
themselves OPPOSED to the establishment of a Community Residence
,Site- by the New York State Office of Mental Retardation and Develop-
mental Disabilities at Plum Island Lane, Orient, New York..
Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilman Murphy, Councilman
Murdock, Councilman Nickles., Councilman. Drum. Abstain: Supervisor
Pell.
This resolution was. declared duly adopted.
COUNCILMAN DRUM: I would ask that these be furnished--these
resolutions--passed on to the Office of Mental Retardation- and
also Legislator Behan and Senator. LaValle.
SUPERVISOR PELL:- It will be done.
COUNCILMAN MURDOCK: Bill, I think also at this time we should also
say that we did discuss our concerns about the total scope of the
_ program and are now. going to - write a letter to the Office of Mental
Retardation inviting " them to' come out and talk to us in greater
length about what their program is going to encompass for the Town
of Southold. I think the entire Town Board wants to know a little
bit more specifically what the total intent is rather than. one
building 'at a time on a piece-meal basis.
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SUPERVISOR PELL: Thank you. We have five more resolutions today.
which we discussed and we would like to bring them forth at this
time. They are not on your agendas but we did discuss them and
we' ll take them one at a time. Number 20 we have.
20. On motion of Councilman Murdock, seconded by Councilman Murphy, it was
RESOLVED that the Town Clerk of the Town of Southold be and she
hereby is authorized and directed to advertise for sealed bido.
for furnishing and placing base course asphalt concrete on lLem
Suffolk Avenue in conformance to the specifications of the Suffolk
County- Department of Public Works for Item 45SP - Base Course
Asphalt Concrete Type 1A. Bid opening at 11: 00 A.M. , May 1, 1981,
Southold Town Hall, Southold, New York.
Vote of the Town Board: . Ayes: Councilman . Murphy, Councilman
Murdock, Councilman Nickles, Councilman Drum, Supervisor Pell.
This. resolution was declared duly adopted.
21. On motion of Councilman Nickles, seconded by .Councilman Murphy, it was
RESOLVED that the Southold Town Board declares itself lead agency,
in regard- to the State Environmental Quality Review Act in the
matter of the application of Nicholas Fontana for a wetland permit
on certain property located at north side of Cox Neck Road on
Mattituck Creek, Mattituck, New York.
Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilman Murphy, Councilman = ` -
Murdock, Councilman Nickles, .Councilman Drum, Supervisor Pell.
This resolution was declared duly adopted.
22. On motion of Supervisor Pell, seconded by Councilman Drum, it was
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hire Antone 'F.
,:,Surozenski, Martin Flatlev, Carlisle E. Cochran. Jr. and Theodore 0.
Beebe. Jr. as Probat onary_ Police Officers at a salary :of $7 500. 00
per annum, effective on their satisfactorily completing the civil
service qualifying tests.
Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: 'Councilman Murphy, ' Councilman
Murdock, Councilman Nickles, Councilman Drum, Supervisor Pell.
This resolution was declared duly adopted:
23. On motion 'of Councilman Nickles, seconded by Councilman Mur.phy, .it. was
RESOLVED- that the Town Board of the Town of Southo,ld'_accept-s the
bid of Richard C. Wiltorj for the .purchase of the',.former wood frame
rp re. hment boil ing owned by .the Town of Southold and located on
the north, side of C.R. 48, , at Arshamomaque - New York, .-formerly
known as "Jack.' s Shack", for a bid price of $1012. 00.
Vote of .the Town Board: Ayes: - Councilman Murphy, Councilman
Murdock, Councilman Nickles, Councilman Drum, Supervisor Pell.
This resolution was declared duly adopted.
COUNCILMAN .DRUM: That will be revenue to the Town.
SUPERVISOR PELL: They are paying. us and he is= going to remove it.
24. On motion of Councilman. Murdock, . seconded by Councilman Drum, it was
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hire .Denise
Johnson, as a part-timQ (20 hours per week) clerk-Typist in the
Assessor' s Offiag, effective May- 1, 1981 at a salary of $4 . 50
per hour.
Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilman Murphy, Councilman
Murdock, Councilman Nickles, Councilman Drum, Supervisor Pell.
This resolution was declared duly adopted.
25. On motion of Supervisor Pell, seconded by Councilman Drum, it was
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold grants
permission to Town Historinn_ Magdeline Goodrich to attend the
Long Island Archives confPrence_ at. Stony Brook, New York on
April 25, 1981' and the cost for 1981 dues, registration fee,
luncheon and mileage shall be a legal charge against the Town
of Southold up to but not exceeding the amount of $50..00.
Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilman Murphy, Councilman
Murdock, Councilman Nickles, Councilman Drum, Supervisor Pell.
, Thin resolution was declared duly adopted.
SUPERVISOR PELL: At this time I would like to ask the Town Board
if there is anything they would like to bring up that I over-
looked?
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COUNCILMAN MURDOCK: I wouldn' t say overlooked, but during the
course of our work session we discussed the appointment of Mr.
Douglass. We had asked Councilman Murphy his opinion and he said
he was a longtime friend of the other applicant and that was his
reason for voting "no" . We started to ask you, you said you
were going to tell us your reasons for. voting against Mr. Douglass
and we got distracted and never got back to it and rather than
six or seven times, I ask you now to explain to us. It ' s my
opinion, and I believe it is our opinion of the Board as a whole
that we have gone for experience. When we have replaced CETA
peoplewe-have taken them on because of experience and we have
a Board of Appeals that experience is very important asset and
you' re going against experience.
COUNCILMAN- DRUM: He has been chairman of the Board of Appeals.
COUNCILMAN MURDOCK: . If you would, I ' d ask you to 'explain your
reason for voting against Mr. Douglass.
SUPERVISOR PELL: Voting against Mr. Douglass and voting for Mr.
Annabel? No problem. Never quite in my own mind, I always have
back of it that episode in Orient and the DEC, in the back of my
mind for one thing. I do feel that change every .once in a while
. when you have five people on a board., I think new -life, new blood,
new foresight might be inviting. You have continuity because you
have four members who are on there. You have another person who
has come up willing to serve the Town. At election time we are
all evaluated at the job we do,, the performance. People chose at
time to time to make different .changes. I feel just because a
person is into a position it shouldn' t be pursued to be as long
as he wants to stay into that position. ' I feel that at times it
is time to make a change and I felt with the continuity of the
four and the experience of the four new'-blood, new life might be
a shot in the arm. We were not changing on the other Board. We
only had one applicant out of two openings and I just felt this,
Larry. Anybody else? Hank, .you got anything else? John,? -
COUNCILMAN NICKLES: I would just add one other thing on the
retarded hostels, and that is the Supervisor as a result of the
discussion with the Board today is going to notify OMRD to .p'ut
a hold on all future applications until such time as the Board
has had a chance to speak with them on the 12th.
SUPERVISOR PELL: One more thing. Bob Douglass has been a life-
long friend of mine. Lifelong, ever since' I was this high, .watched
me grow up..
COUNCILMAN DRUM: You said has been?
SUPERVISOR PELL: Is.
COUNCILMAN NICKLES: I didn' t hold that against Bob, I voted for
him.
COUNCILMAN MURPHY: I ' d like to say one thing. I would like to
offer our congratulations to our Supervisor and his wife who were
married 25 years and of all days to pick to get married, the 15th
of April when we have to pay our income tax.
COUNCILMAN NICKLES: Probably looking for a last minute deduction.
SUPERVISOR PELL: Thank you. For information sake 1 will be out
of Town for the next two or three days. My wife and I are going
away. We are going to Gurney' s Inn tomorrow and come back on
Saturday. We' re going to get away from it all.
JOSEPH OATES: Speaking for my group I want to thank you gentlemen
for your resolution, first of all. Now, second of all, I would
like you to tell me something that I. can go back ' and tell to my
people. Where do we stand?
SUPERVISOR PELL: Where do we stand, Joseph? We stand, this Town
is on record as opposing the Short Road site as the other sites.
We have written a letter--I will write a letter to OMRD asking
them to come out on the 12th to talk to us and it is our intention
as a Board. to ask them to hold everything in abeyance until after
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we talk on the 12th in here. You' d be welcome to come to that
meeting on the 12th. It 's an open meeting as all meetings are.
We want to find out more about it and go into depth, what their
long range plans is or are in Southold Town and dig into it deeper. .
That' s our intent.
MR. OATES: Thank you.
_President of Orient-By-The-Sea Property Owners
Association. I' ll be mercifully brief. we' re, very pleased with
the Town Board's resolution but we' re still--it' s just on hold and
this is one of ' the things that worries -me Let me give you an
example of this. There' s a house in our. neighborhood that is
owned and lived in by a fellow named Aloysius Butler. He died
about twoears ago. Since then the house has been vacant and
on the. marKet. The executor of his estate, Margaret Sealock who
is a sister 'of .the deceased had a couple who--they were going to'
go to ` contract today on that house.. The couple, I have seen them
and I can see the house from my house. They have been going around
the house and going in it and they were sold on this house and the
story is that they went to lunch yesterday in Greenport and they
bought a paper and read about was happening on Plum Island Lane.'
They called up their lawyer and they called the whole thing off.
Now this is a house that adjoins the Plum Island property that the
state wants to take over. This same sort of thing, it ' s finished
now. If they had known today what we know now and are certain of
it, they would probably have bought the house. But they' re not
going to buy a house that is going to be used for the purpose that
the state wants to use it for. This is just one instance. I didn't
have time to talk to any of you before this meeting but I hope you
read what the supreme court. handed down in their decision yesterday.
SUPERVISOR PELL: Yes, Larry brought that in today. It was very
impressive.
MR. _ KAHN: And also I understood from you Joe Oates.' that the input
,. of the Town Board is very very important---' instrumental in what the
state decides about locating houses and what we' re doing here today
and what you have done here today .i.s put off until the - 12th of May
a decision on this.
COUNCILMAN DRUM: Sir"
•,we are opposed.
COUNCILMAN MURDOCK: We just flat out opposed it.
SUPERVISOR PELL: On specifics on Plum Island Lane. This Town Board
is on record and the Town Clerk, which she does all the- time, sends
copies of resolutions to the appropriate agencies. Along with this
one Councilman Drum has. requested to go to Assemblyman Behan and
State Senator LaVal•le. , But on Plum Island Lane, this Town Board
right now is officially opposed. That is not in hold. That decision
has been made today. Officially opposed to that site.
MR. KAHN: Again I want to thank you very much.
SUPERVISOR PELL: Thank you .'and I again want to congratulate you
on your work that you have done and 'that package will be sent in
to OMRD. The whole package in 'total. ' The Town Clerk will send
that in at the appropriate, time. We had. 40 days. We are saving
it up in case. we get any more in between now and then we' ll make
one package and send then when the time is for them. .
Anybody else wish to address the Board?
MR. ROBERT BROWN: I 'm also a little .concerned about the exact -
language and I understand the resolution. But my interpretation
of the Mental Hygiene Law which I have in front of me states
without reservation as far as I - can figure out and maybe Mr. Tasker
can help me, that if, the local" Board opposes the matter is dead.
The state cannot, so why do we have to go. on to May 12th. I don' t
understand this.
SUPERVISOR PELL: No, let me clear that one up. We asked, on May
12th, we picked that date, to have the Office of Mental Retardation
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as Councilman Nicklessaid, come'out and tell us what their over-
all plan is in Southold Town. Are they going to be satisfied with
what they have now or do -they want five., ten, fifteen, twenty-
What people are going to go into these' homes. Are they going to
be our own local residents, the people, who are born and brought
up here. To dig into the facts to see what their longterm goal
is. What we want also, somebody brought up today, one of the
councilmen, we want experience. We want to talk to somebody on
what experience they have. How successful have these homes been
elsewhere. It ' s a new area for our Town and the Board wants to
evaluate the outcome of it before we get too far down the path.
This is- why on the 12th we picked that. date and if anybody calls
me I will give you the exact time because this will be a working
session during the daytime in the Board room. As I said, you are
all welcome to sit in and if we fill that room up we' ll come out
here. Did I clear that up for you?
MR. BROWN: I 'm not sure completely. Let me ask the question
another way. You still feel the Town needs alternate proposals?
SUPERVISOR PELL: I ' ll answer that question after the 12th.
COUNCILMAN DRUM: It is my personal feeling and I hope we in
Southold Town want to take care of our own residents that may
have an infirmity. and I would like to see it stopped right there .
We take care of our own and let other communities . take care ,of
their own. I do not know whether the existing three residences
are sufficient to take care of our own people, if you understand
what * I mean. That is my personal feeling. ' Beyond that I do not
personally feel we should go any further.
SUPERVISOR PELL: Many questions like ,.this were raised during the
daytime when we discussed this so this is why we want to dig .-out _
the answers before we go any further. We have too many unanswered
questions and when you have unanswered questions you go to the .
source and try to dig up the information so when we move we will
move correctly.
COUNCILMAN DRUM: These sites are not acceptable.
MR. BROWN: From my standpoint I spend the:; day in Riverhead -looking
at sites, so if it' s not necessary I ' ll stop. That ' s why I 'm asking
the question. It' s a very time consuming job. There are hundreds
of sites off the tax rolls, sites abandoned and I had to check the
lot number and so forth . on the. town maps and come back with §ome-
thing specific but that ' s going to take a lot of time.
SUPERVISOR PELL: Next week why not give me a call and I ' ll tell
you the exact time on the 12th if it can be arranged that day and
have you come and we welcome you to set in or anyone else. The-
questions we don' t think of you might.
MRS. ETHEL BENTZ, Orient : I appreciated Councilman Drum'§
remark in the Suffolk Times last week. It is humiliating to have
to sign petitions, go around to people opposing anything. Something
like this should not be done by. the residents. Also, our President
got a letter, a copy of a letter, that was supposed to be sent to the
Suffolk Times this week and it is defending our actions. We
stand behind Hiller a hundred percent because he speaks for all
of us. But the thing is they don' t understand how something like
this could be a complete surprise to us that ' s number one and
then we have to put reasons why we don' t want it . We went through '
everything and we tried so hard and at the same time now this
woman comes from Jersey, has set up two houses there, has a retarded
child, it' s very understandable how she feels they way she does:
We have a retarded child in the neighborhood almost across from
where this house is and she is no problem at 'all. . We understand
these people, we live with them. We know Henry Moisa and his
son Tommy. These are all things we. know so we are not so terrible
that we object to having them but it is certainly something that
must be brought out a great deal better than it is.
SUPERVISOR PELL: This is why your Town Board is thinking additional
information.
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MR. FRANK BEAR: Yes, I ' d like to discuss the same matter that has
been discussed here. I 'm not saying that any one of these three
locations is a good location for this type of treatment or operation.
In fact I am concerned as the Board has indicated its concern, the
distance that these locations are from central shopping areas and
so forth.. I 'm glad to know that there . are people who say at least
that they have compassion for young people with this condition and
I would hope that this compassion goes maybe even beyond the limits
of the Town of Southold. I think our concern should be that these
people have an opportunity to be taken care of in the proper manner,
with real compassion and I would hope that the Town Board will proceed
on this matter in that spirit or that attitude and without being
too provincial shall we say, without 'saying I don' t want anybody
that happens to live on. the other side of the line in Laurel or
something of that kind., I would hope that we show in this matter
real compassion for some people who are not dangerous and who need
help. Thank you.
SUPERVISOR PELL: Thank you, Mr. Bear. Anybody else wish to address
the Town Board? (no response)
On motion of Councilman Drum, seconded by Councilman Murphy, it was
RESOLVED that there being no further business to come before this
Town Board meeting adjournment be called at 4: 15 P. M.
Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilman Murphy, Councilman
Murdock; Councilman Nickles, Councilman Drum, Supervisor Pell .
This resolution was declared duly adopted.
�Judith T. Terry
Town Clerk