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SOUTHOLD TOWN BOARD
MARCH' 24, 1981
WORK SESSION
9: 00 A.M. - Sybil Mizzi and Paul Fink of Pan Tech met with the
Board to discuss the Housing Assistance Plan that must be filed ,`...;
with the Community Development Plan. They explained Section 8 ->>'
Moderate Rehabilitation Program which helps the landlords as
well as tenants and the certification goes to the unit not the
tenant. The Landlord must upgrade his Unit and gets 207o above '
fair market rent; the tenant also receives a subsidy. .. Section
8 Existing Housing Program , is for low income and 30% of their
income goes to rent, --The Board decided to apply for 10 Moderate
Rehabilitation Units - 6 elderly and 4 family.
9: 55 A.M. - Frank Bear read a prepared statement to the Board
which he will again present at the regular meeting. Mr. Bear
urged the Board to take steps in ,the immediate future to consider
changes in the Zoning Ordinance as well as the Dpvelopment. Plan
which he feels has become outdated. He asked that the Board
seek the County Planning Commission ' s assistance in updating
the Town Plan.
10: 00 A.M. - William Mullen met with the Board to discuss the
Town' s health insurance program. He has had several meetings
which caused him to determine there is no way' the Town -can go
with a .private carrier. There are presently two groups 'working
on a splinter setup from Blue Cross. , One is the BOCES group
in Westhampton and he has made arrangements to contact Mr,. Carr
of BOCES after April 3rd and come back to the Board- on April 7th
with the details.
10:05 A.M. - The Board began reviewing the agenda.
li: 45 A.M. - Allen Cohen, New York. State Auditor met .with the
Board to discuss the interest money the Town has received from-
moneys deposited by the Receiver of Taxes. ' Mr. Cohen stated
the money belongs to the various districts in the Town. as well
as the Town but cannot be used for the purchase of equipment
for the Rer�e%verf-of::Taxes.
12: 00 Noon - Board resumed reviewing agenda.
12: 35 P.M. - Recess for lunch.
1:45 P. M. - Resumed reviewing agenda.
2: 15 P.M. - Venetia McKeighan, Site Manager of the Southold Town
Nutrition Center met with the Board. and advised. them she has lost
six CETA employees; bus drive_rs' plus. one cook. She has made
arrangements with the Office for the Aging to retain the services
of Pam McCaffery who has qualified -as a bus driver and has been
trained to complete applications and forms for fuel oil, social
services, etc. Her major problem at this time is the fact the
cook, Gerald King, requires surgery and the Center will be with-
out a cook. The Board agreed to hire Dorothy Mysliborski as a
part-time cook for no more than four weeks to fill in for_Ger:ald
King.
2: 25, P.M. - Jim McMahon, Director of Southold Town' s �elina.uencv
piversion and Prevention grogram and Bob Starcher of the Depart-
ment of Health Services, Drug.,:Abuse Program, County of Suffolk,
met with the Board to discuss' the establishment of a Drug Abuse
Prevention Council for the' Town, and the application by the Town
for a New York State Division of Substance Abuse Services grant
in the amount of $3, 000. 00. The ,..Board agreed to place this on the
agenda for the regular meeting at . 3: 00 P.M.
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A regular meeting of the South0-14"..Town Board was held on Tuesday,
March 24, 1981 at the Southold Town Hall, Main Road, Southold, New
York. Supervisor Pell opened the meeting at 3: 00 P.M. with the
Pledge of Allegiance to the Flag.
Present:
Supervisor William R. Pell, III
Justice Francis T. Doyen
Councilman Henry W. Drum
Councilman John J. Nickles
Councilman Lawrence Murdock, Jr.
Councilman Francis J. Murphy
Town. Clerk Judith T. Terry
Town Attorney Robert W: Tasker
Highway Superintendent Raymond C. Dean
SUPERVISOR PELL: I want to thank you on behalf of the Town Board
for coming out today for the Town- Board meeting. This will be a
fairly interesting meeting, I 'm sure. A lot of these things were
not discussed in the working session of the Board. We ran out of
time. We had such a debate this morning on a few items that we
will go into today and I am sure you .will be in for an interesting
meeting today. I don' t think it will be routine -because. we haven't
been through it all yet.
On motion of- Councilman Drum, seconded by Councilman Murdock, it was
RESOLVED that the minutes of the March 10, 1981 Town Board-meeting
be and hereby are approved.
Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilman Murphy, Councilman
Murdock, Councilman Nickles, Councilman Drum, Justice'. Doyen,
Supervisor Pella
This resolution was declared duly adopted.
On motion of Councilman Nickles, seconded by Councilman Murphy, it was
RESOLVED that the next regular meeting of the Southold Town 'Board
will be held at 7: 30 P.M. , Tuesday, Anril 7. 1981 at the Southold
Town Hall, Main Road, Southold, New York. _
Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilman Murphy, Councilman
Murdock, Councilman Nickles, Councilman Drum, Justice Doyen;
Supervisor Pell.
This resolution was ' declared duly adopted.
On motion of Supervisor Pell, seconded by Councilman Drum, it was
RESOLVED that there will be a :L9pecial Meeting of the Southold _Town
Board at 8: 30 A.M. , Tuesday, March 31, 1981 _ at the Southold 'Town
Hall, Main Road, Southold, New York.
Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilman Murphy, Councilman
Murdock, Councilman Nickles, Councilman Drum, Justice Doyen,
Supervisor Pell.
This resolution was declared duly adopted.
I . ' REPORTS - SUPERVISOR PELL:
1. Assessors reports_ for January and February (1981) .
2. _Long; Island Cablgvision resort for February (1981) .
3. . I will ask at this time the Councilmen to make reports,
starting with 'Councilman Murdock:
COUNCILMAN MURDOCK: On Friday, the 20th of March, Councilman
Murphy and myself as the -Disposal-Area Committee flew to New
Hampshire to the University of New Hampshire to inspect a
municipal solid waste plant there in operation. It was recommended
to, us by engineers from the firm of Sacco and Ahlers. This is in
the Town of Durham, New Hampshire, operated in cooperation with the
University of New Hampshire. They burn 72 tons of municipal solid
waste a day. They 'produce 15, 000 of steam per hour, all of which is
sold to the University of New Hampshire which makes it a very cost
effective system for the Town of Durham. It is also serving, I think
he said, . 16 townships in the area that are cooperating in this to
. provide enough municipal solid waste to keep the system burning.
The Town of Southold has a hundred tons a day and the setup that
they have up there would be applicable to us. We also viewed,
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while we were there, a facility for. the treatment of sludge. ' They
have a sewage system there and they are treating sludge and compost-
ing it with wood chips. It was a very interesting aspect for us.
It ' s probably something that we will not be able to get into, but
that facility cost seven million dollars. They' ve been building.
it since 1973. So a comparable facility would probably be- in the
neighborhood of ten or eleven million dollars today. It was very
interesting to both Frank and I . _ We both felt that they were sort
of light years ahead of us in terms 'of resolving municipal problems.
They were very gracious and- I think we learned a lot in relation to
what we will need in Southold Town. Thank you, Bill.
SUPERVISOR PELL: Thank you. Councilman Drum.
COUNCILMAN DRUM: Last week, in regard 'to the_ dred2ing of the Peconic
Bay inlets, the two Trustees, Anna Hataier and Henry Smith' and I
inspected the following Town bay inlets:. Cedar Beach, Corey, Little
Creek,. Mill Creek, New Suffolk boat ramp, Wickham, Richmond, Brushes
and 'Halls. It was opinion .that they all are in need of dredging
prior to- the summer season.. On' March 20th. I met with the" County
Waterways engineer John Guldi and at present the Cedar Beach
dredging project has been approved by the county legislature, and
is awaiting the county executive' s signature. The cost will be
approximately $35, 000. 00. The county dredge is to commence the
dredging of the New Suffolk boat ramp we hope prior to the first of--
no later than the first of 'April. It will commence at that time.
It will be a very short--perhaps five or six days. Then Little
Creek, Mill and Brushes and East Creek, they are -to be dredged
by a dredging contract. Now; these projects have been fD rwarded
to the county budget office and from there he looks at them,
costs them out and then go before- the legislature. However, at
present all county expenditures are being held by order of the
county, executive until-a review. is completed of the budget and
the impact to the federal fund reduction-. Until this review is
completed, which is estimated about 10 April, ' ' 81.. As I say, these
are considered capital expenditures so these projects are being
held . for approximately two weeks. : Wickhams Creek is to.be done
by drag line or bucket contract, and Halls Creek perhaps will be
done by a county dredge in June in 1981. That ' s one of the smaller
creeks. Richmond Creek which we felt was in urgent need of dredging,
at presently is currently being surveyed by the county engineer.
However, it may be until late summer until all permits are obtained.
I 'm not to optimistic as. far'. as Richmond Creek is concerned; at least
not the early part of this. -summer. , Also discussed at great length
with 'the engineer was the stabilization of the Cedar Beach Inlet .
In the past year it has been required to dredge Cedar Beach approx-
imately at least once' a year and the conclusion is that we feel it
is best to request the County Department of Public Works to conduct
a stabilization feasibility study and that is my- recommendation
that the Supervisor go 'forward in requesting such a study. of Cedar
Beach. I am pleased to see where the our County Legislator Mr.
Blass has agreed with us and that a county dredge is necessary.
We have felt this way on the Town Board for the last year or so
and have gone forward with just such a .recommendation that there
be a county dredge to do the regular maintenance and you may have
seen some of the reports, high cost of contract dredging. With
the county dredge it is - estimated it would be approximately one
half, if we had our own county dredge, smaller than the old
dredge but larger than this little-. mud -cap that they ,have right
now. So much for the dredging of the bay- inlets .
I might just say that Councilman Nickles and I also, on
the _Building, Zoning and Zoning Board of' Apne is Co mi .tPe have
met with the building inspector several times " in' the ,past and
presently we are- looking at the whole organization of our build-
ing department. I use the .-word . ..,department, it is actually not
a department but we are looking at the whole organization; some
of the various problems they- are confronted with and looking at
the procedures and the various codes and ordinances to see if
we can develop some consistency within the department. We hope
to--I think we have been given. until about the first of June to
complete our report .
SUPERVISOR PELL: Thank you. Anything else?
COUNCILMAN DRUM: That' s it right now.
SUPERVISOR PELL: Councilman Nickles?
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COUNCILMAN NICKLES:' I have a:. repprt .;of . the Beach Committee.
Yesterday, March 23rd at 8: 00;A'.MML.`,= myself, Councilman Murphy,
Highway Superintendent Dean discussed various items concerning
our town beaches and parks. One, we discussed oiling and sanding
of Gull Pond and McCabes Beach, those parking areas. We have an
estimated cost of oil of $6, 000. 00. It was determined to recommend
to the Town Board that the Gull Pond parking ,area be done first
because that' s the area that receives the most wear and tear and
after evaluation of our budget constraints we will move forward
with the oiling of that area and possibly McCabes. by the end of
the year. We discussed erosion at Kennys Beach and there is no
det-erhiina.tion at this time but in discussion's with the Supervisor
and Town Board this morning the suggestion was made that we con-
tact John Wehrenberg who is the Chairman of the Legislature' s
Public Works Committee and I plan to contact him sometime in the
near future. We will be discussing this problem with him. It is
that time of year we have to think about opening up the beaches,
it ' s nice and warm out today, and .the Committee recommends to the
Town Board that we open all the beaches .this year on June 28th
except for the Peconic Goldsmith' s Inlet Beach, which has been
closed in the past and will remain closed this year. We also .
recommended that beach attendants be hired at $3. 75 per hour,
the same hourly rate as last year, . and that .the Supervisor submit
an initial list of applicants `to the Town Board for approval
for these positions. Once the beach season commences the Town
Board to authorize the Supervisor to hire. and fill vacancies as
becomes necessary. Mr.Murphy, on the Committee has spoken to Mr.
Muir and Mr. Muir is going to continue to run the life guard
program for the Town and to train themeand schedule them; those
people that guard our beaches. We discussed Cedar Beach and
we spoke to the 'Supervisor who is going to check with the County
to make sure that the allocation received from them annually for
the patroling of that area and clean-up of that area be continued.
We purchased safety ropes for New Suffolk which completes a long
program of . getting all our beaches to have swimming ropes deployed
and with New Suffolk that .concludes that program. We also: dis
cussed, in our meeting, .the building at Town Beach on the ;Sound,
commonly known as "Jack' s Shack" , and no determination was, made
by the Committee but we brought it before the, Town Board and- there
will be a resolution offered later in the day ,to demolish and/or
remove the building from the premises. This is something that
the Town Board and the Beach Committee has been agonizing over
for the last year or so and we first have to weigh the decision
as to the benefit to the. public as well as the benefit to the "
private entrepreneur. The cost of putting that building in- shape
and conforming to County Board of Health requirements, we are. .look-
ing at. a dollar figure this year of five or six thousand dollars
and this is an ongoing problem. So, ' as the Committee pointed out
to the Town Board, it is our obligation to run programs at our
beaches that benefit our taxpayers and we felt that entering into
another rental situation with a concessionaire would be more to
the benefit of that concessionaire than to the people of Southold
Town. On that basis, you will see a resolution calling for :the
removal or the destruction of Jack' s Shack. That concludes my
report .
SUPERVISOR PELL: Thank you, John. Councilman Murphy.
COUNCILMAN MURPHY.: Thank you, Bill. I ' d like to comment on the
trip with Larry up to New Hampshire. It was most interesting and
the most important part and the reason why I think these trips
are important, that each time we go to one of these locations there
is something more that is most applicable to Southold Town. There
was quite a bit here. This was probably one ' of the best composting
programs that I ' ve seen and this town is 'smaller than ours. True,
A university town and they do have a tremedous amount of money and
this whole cost of their sewage treatinent plant will cost them
five percent and the rest is funded by the State and Federal -govern-
ment. After the Beach Committee met yesterday, we had a meeting
of the Town -Street Light Committep, with Henry Drum. and John
Nickles, myself and Ray Dean present. We are going to reevalue
the previous policies that have been set as far as locating street
lights and setting up some kind of a criteria for adding new
lights and moving. At the present time we .have about. 1300 lights
in the Town. A good part of them are old energy deficient lights .
They are very expensive, very poor light from them and we would,
like to reduce the number down to save on the cost of electricity
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and put them in better locations and Henry-, myself and Ray Dean' s
department- are going to start getting it ready. Hopefully in two
weeks we' ll have a survey of. the Town done and report back to the
Supervisor and the Town Board. For the record, the cost of lights
now and what the Town has to pay , each year is a pole rental of
$5 .00 a year and an energy cost at the present time for the 50
watt sodium lights are $41..00. ' That ' s $46.00 for each light. and
if the light is broken or out of service and we' re not using energy,
we' re still paying. So any time somebody does see a light out or
broken, call the Highway Department and it can be fixed. No sense
of paying for it. That ' s it, Bill.
SUPERVISOR PELL: Thank you. Councilman-Justice Doyen from Fishers
Island.
JUSTICE DOYEN: .- I don' t have anything except for senior citizens_.
A study was made .recently on the. Island of approximately how many
senior citizens live there and' a lot- of interest has been shown
by them to have a program similar to the program we have here and
it won' t be very long before we have a committee working to get
something over there for them.
SUPERVISOR PELL: We have some experts right in the room in the
back row there to help set up. Mr. Henry Lytle helped set up
the Peconic one we have here now. He is an expert. He might
come over and give you some advice.
JUSTICE DOYEN: Well, either way, we could have someone from there
come. .here or someone from here go over there.
SUPERVISOR PELL: Look forward to getting it set up - for you Francis.
Deputy Supervisor Marie Johnson.
DEPUTY SUPERVISOR JOHNSON: I' m sure you .all remember the problem
in Greenport last summer that was. reported as a near race riot.
Asia result of that event there was the formation` of the Greenport
Task Force which met for a short period weekly and. then on a monthly
basis and finally in February had- its first public meeting. . At this
public meeting. people in the community came out and rather freely
expressed their opinion of what they .thought the problems were in
regard to the race problems in .Greenport and most .of the blame at
that time seemed to be placed on the Greenport School. The principal
of the school, Mr. Nelson, then took on the responsibility of con-
tacting Albany and bringing a, Dr. LeRoy Ramsey, who is head of the
New York State Equal Education Opportunity Office and Administrator
of .the New York State Fair Education Practices Act , to come down
and meet with him. . The result of this meeting is that he has
conducted a questionnaire throughout the school system in Greenport,
of students and faculty and .he is - setting up a series of three
community dialogue sessions. One will be on what people in the
community think and the other one will be to get input on the
educational system in Greenport and the third meeting will be
conducted by the task force looking for solutions to the problems
that are brought up as a result of the other two sessions. The
entire Township will be involved , in this because the problem in
Greenport, it was discovered, was' -not involving only Greenport
youngsters. There were people from the other parts of the' Town
who came in. So, when these.-meetings are advertised, and they
will be widely -advertised, we trust, I think it would be a very
good idea if everyone tried to get to them.
The second thing _I ' d' like to tell you about is the Department
of Health Services through it' s Division of Drug Abuse Services
has made it possible for us to apply for a grant which will be
$3, 000. 00 a year. The money will be advanced "by. the. Town and
reimbursed by the State. This will be to carry on a Drug Abuse .
Prevention Program throughout the Town. ' It will be' a program
that will allow us to do anything that seems proper to .do in
this event, except actual treatment. It will be run in conjunction
with the Youth Corporation. we have already formed to, run the
program at the new Center and the Town Board will, today, pass
a resolution to create the Council that is needed to apply for
this grant. Thank .you.
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SUPERVISOR PELL: Thank you very much. The next report .is from
myself for some . of the meetings I di'd attend in the last two
weeks. East End Supervisor's Meeting met in East Hampton and
we talked mainly about the _7th Squad, how the phase-out would
take effect . East Hampton, ' Riverhead .and Southampton wants them
out right away. They have their own detective squads. The
villages involved and Southold Town, we said it would take time
to get our detective force in operation and basically this is what
we went to the 7th Squad with, the County Exec he spoke with.
Basically that, was that one. {
B. is the e'en Town Supervisors. We met and basically the
Ten Town Supervisors have asked -the County Exec to share in some ,
of the sales tax that the county collects, - back with the ten towns.
We have written a letter to him three months ago, four months ago
and. got a very negative reply back.. Therefore, we request a meet-
ing with the County Exec and some of the' people in the -legislature
and -that will be held probably within the next two weeks. - We will
go up as a group and see, if they cannot shake loose some. of the
funds to help the towns out. We feel on this level that the county
collects three percent sales tax, with 'the inflation rate the way
it was the last two or three years, ,that three percent has become
quite a large figure and the Town Board' s only can levy. taxes on
real property. Therefore, we are going to .ask to meet with them
and see if we can' t get some of that shaken loose to the towns.
There are 52 counties that collect sales tax; 37 of them share it
with the difference towns in their counties. We feel it should be-
one more county added to that so we are going to ask to make_ it one
more.
The Police Committee met -the other, day and discussed adding
to our police force the amount of people we are going to add to
it to create a plain clothes squad. to replace the 7th Squad. We
realize we have to hire more manpower and this was discussed. We
are thinking of hiring, perhaps, two more additional patrolmen and
move some of our patrolmen into the plain clothes detective force.
The 7th Squad, as I said, will be a phase-out gradually. It is
taking place right now. Councilman Drum and myself met with
Commissioner Dilworth, County Exec' s. officer, Mr. Brotherton,
Deputy County Exec and they will meet with each village' and Southold
Town to see how wewant to' phase them out and who' s going `to pay for the cost if the 7th Squad remains until December 31st,.or
September, whenever we feel we can do without them. The point
that Councilman Drum brought up was a very good one, we will be
asked to enter into a contract with the county for this charge,
but it will only take effect on the day when we sign. the contract .
It will not pay January, February or March. If, we sign it April
15th, the contract will begin April 15th until we feel we are
capable of getting along without the 7th. Squad.
Number E, ,CETA reporrl. You all know CETA is being `phased
out and later on in resolution form we will have some people we
want to take on full time and some part time. . That ,concludes the
Supervisor's report .
At this time I would like to recess the Town Board meeting
for the length of time it takes to conduct .a .public hearing.
On motion of Supervisor Pell, seconded by Councilman Murdock, - it was
RESOLVED that a recess be called at this time, 3: 30 P. M. , for the
purpose of holding the following public hearing,
.3: 30 P.M. in the matter of. the amen dm t of the rilrrent Town
Budget relative to the use of Federal Revenue Sharing Funds.
3:45 P.M.. in the matter of the application of Eugen Bolt r
for a permit under the provisions . of the wetland Ordinance of the
Town of Southold.
Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilman Murphy, Councilman
Murdock, Councilman Nickles, Councilman Drum, Justice Doyen,
Supervisor Pell.
This resolution was declared duly adopted.
Meeting reconvened. at .3: 50 P.M.
II. PUBL'IG!NOTECES: . COUNCILMAN NICKLES *
1,. The first notice is that the term of Robert J. Douglass
expires April 19, 1981 on the Board of ap and the Town Board
is calling for resumes which will be accepted until April l7th,
1981. Appointments for that position will bemade on April 21st.
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2:, Similarly on the planning; Board, George Ritchie Latham,
Jr. ' s term expires on April , 30th, 1981 and we're' calling, for '
resumes. They must be in by April 17th and his appointment will
be filled on April 21st .
3. A notice from the _]�epartmen-t of.Zn,vironmental Conservation:
This is a Notice of Complete Application by Barney Evans., Suffolk_._
County Department of P]�blia Wnrkq. to remove and reconstruct two .
bridges along -New Suffolk AvenuQ .over Mud- and Downs_ Creek .with
minor increases to width and span. Written comments by April is.t :
4. From the Department of the Army, New York District ,
Corps of Engineera. application by -Joseph Sucher for bulkhead
and maintenance dredge. Location of this :property is in. Fordham
Canal, East Greenport . . Comments 'by the 16th of April.
5. New York State impartment ,of .FXvironmental _Q_�)nservati;on,
Notice 'of Complete Application by Walter-Dohm to construct a one
family dwelling and associated -sanitary systems. Written 'comments
by' April 8th.
6. . From the.Lepartment of .Iransportation (State of New York) ,
Notice of Order establishing a ,iio parking restriction from 84- ft.
more or less west of to 40 ft . more or less east of the driveway
of the First Presbyterian Church, Southold, which happens to be
right across the street. : I believe that' s a 24 hour parking.
ban so you good folks who. attend the evening Town Board meetings
or other meetings here in the town Hall might keep that in mind
when you park across the street. .in eluding Town Board members .
7. Again from the_j)ppartment ,af ,transportation ( -State of
New York) , Notice of Order establishing a no parkin; restrintinn
east of the drive at St . Patrick' s, Roman Catholic Church here in
Southold.. _
-8. Again from the -Department Qf Mransportation . (State of
New York-) , Notice of Order .establishing . a. _40 MPH ,speed limit on
Elij.ah' s Lane between Route 25 and County Route 48, formerly
known as County Route 27,
9. New York State Office ',of Mental Retard_ ation and
Developmental Disabilities, notice. to the Town indicating 'a
potential community residence site at 3690 Route 40, it should!
be Rui to 48 Mattituck. Comments by P._Dril 27th.,'
10. A' similar notice from the New York State Office of
Mental Retardation and Developmental Disabilities--for:;^ property
located on Plum Island Lane,. OriojiL Comments by April 27th.
"11. Long Island Hard Clam Culture Workshop and this is
about a workshop to be held on May 7th at 8: 30 A.M. to 4: 00 P.M.
by the "Marine Sciences Research Center.
All of these notices are on file with the. Town Clerk if you
wish to examine them more closely. They are available from 9 :00
to 4:00 five days a week for examination.
Mr. Supervisor, if you are going to make this list much
longer I 'm going to demand a glass of Ovater.
- SUPERVISOR PELL: Thank you, John.- As. John says, all these reports
are public notices and are on file with the Town Clerk if anybody
wishes to go into them, contact : her office `and she can give them
to you.
III . COMMUNICATIONS - SUPERVISOR PELL:
1. From the Creennort-Sots .hol d ChambeX, requesting special
signs in reference to signs, that they would like to have 'the .Board
consider, or the lack - of signs, .perhaps . I should say and some
problems that are on their mind -for the Board's consideration.
2. From Smithtown Supervisor. saying. that Smithtown and some
of the other towns request the county to. share in some of the OTB
funds as well as sales tax_
3. This is. telling us exactly what our president is going
to cut and how he is going to cut it 'and what we can look not to
receive during next year or this -year. , The highlights of his
cuts he has been making and will continue to make.
4. Reference to the Naw' Suffolk Avenue bri dge,% saying that
they are' somewhat opposed to" widening the bridges' The bridges
are anywheres now from I think 19, `21 and 22 feet wide. Plans
call for them to go to 28 to 32 feet wide. The lady (Mary
Kelleher) is objecting to the widening of the bridges. to beef
it up.
5. From the Department of Health in the County. They
test the was around the landfill up there periodically and it
is a report on them saying that there is no pesticide carbofurm
(Furada.n). in the' wate'r around' the landfill. It ' s nice to know
that the county is continually checking the water up there to keep .
us involved of -what' s-'going on and what our problems will be.
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6. From Southampton Townsaying: "Resolved that the Suffolk
County Police Squad, the 7th '�=be 'phased out during the 1981 year. "
They want them out by the end of 181 . They passed a resolution for
that and sent it to all the towns.
IV. HEARINGS AND DECISIONS
SUPERVISOR PELL: We had two .hearings today. The Town Board is
not ready to move on them at this time, are 'you gentlemen? (no) .'
V. RESOLUTIONS
SUPERVISOR' PELL: Moving to resolutions, your Town agenda said
15 resolutions. We end up with 30. We had a very lengthly meeting
today. We did not get through all of them so, as .I said before,
we will discuss, perhaps, some of them now at this time..
Resolution No. l is going to be tabled until April 7th.
(Resolution 1 - AuthoriZe thQinstallation of 24 street li,g•hts. )
Resolution No. 2 is to purchase a Chevrolet Imnaly, car out
of the $40, 000.00 Police Grant that we received from the federal
government, down through the county, through the state. The budget
was approved and in it there was this vehicle to be purchased and
we are going on county contract for this. I would like the
resolution authorizing expending this money.
2: On'moti:on. of Councilman Murdock, seconded ,by Supervisor Pell, it was
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold authorizes the
purchase of one (1) blue Chevrolet 'Impala V-6 Station Wagon with
AM radio and antenna and rear window defogger in the amount, of
$6998. 00 under the Suffolk County Contract for use by the lin up
Diversion and Prevention Program__; ,,.:,said cost of the vehicle to be
paid for from the Delinquency Diviersion and Prevention Program
Grant.
Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilman Murphy, Councilman
Murdock, Councilman Nickles; Councilman Drum, Justice Doyen, ,
Supervisor Pell. .
This resolution was declared duly adopted.
SUPERVISOR PELL: Number 3 is to support Assembly Bill which we
had introduced two or three years ago and never went throLl& even,
though we do have a local police list--county local police list
we can have--Town list.- As Behan still feels it would
be worthwhile to have this introduced in Albany and he will intro-
duce it on our behalf.
3. On motion of Councilman Nickles, seconded by Councilman Drum, it was
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold gu]aj ores_
Assembly bill No. 2 8 ., entitled "AN ACT in relation to authorizing .
the governing body of the town of Southold to make certain
permanent appointments for the position of pnl i ce of�fi r ,r;' , and
be it further '
RESOLVED that the Town Clerk be and she hereby is directed 'to
complete the necessary forms and submit them to the New York
State Assembly.
Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilman Murphy, Councilman
Murdock, Councilman Nickles, Councilman Drum, Justice Doyen,
Supervisor Pell-.
This resolution was declared duly adopted.
SUPERVISOR PELL; Number 4, authorizing to go to bid for the
cleaning of the police department uniforms.
4. On motion of Councilman Drum, seconded by Councilman Nickles, it was
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby
aifthori 7.ps a.nd directs the Town Clerk to advertise for bids
for tj1p, l caning services, required by the Town for. the ani Dx-ms-
of the members of the Southold Town police Department for the
period commencing on the first day of May, 1981 and ending the
30th day of April, 1982.
Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilman Murnhy, Councilman
Murdock, Councilman Nickles, Councilman Drum, Justice Doyen,
Supervisor Pell.
This resolution was declared duly adopted.
SUPERVISOR PELL: Number 5, Bingo License for the Sacred Heart
Church,. Cutchogue.
MARCH 24, 1981 106
5: Moved by Councilman Murdock, ,seconded by Councilman Murphy-)
WHEREAS, Sacred Heart R. C. Chur_ch, Cutchogue, New York has applied
to the Town Clerk for an sm -nded :Bingo Lei tense-_ and
WHEREAS, the Town Board has examined the application and after
investigation, 'duly made findings and determinations as required
by law,
NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED' .that the Supervisor be and he hereby
is 'authorized and directed to execute on behalf of the' Town--Board,...
of`°,.the Town of Southold the findings and determinations .as required
law, and it is further '
RESOLVED that the Town Clerk be and she hereby is directed to ,issue
an amended Bingo License to Sacred Heart R. C. Church, .Cutchogue,
New York.
Vote of the Town Board: Ayes : "Councilman Murphy , Councilman
Murdock, Councilman Nickles, Councilman Drum, Justice Doyen,
Supervisor Pell.
This resolution was declared. duly adopted.
SUPERVISOR PELL: Number 6, a trailer renewal,
6. On motion of Councilman Nickles; ' seconded by Councilman Murdock, it was
RESOLVED that. the application of Herodotus Damianos,. dated .Feb-
ruary 25, 1981, for permission to maintain a. single family trailer
on the north side of Main Road, Peconic, New York (formerly Isidore
P. Krupski) , be and hereby is .renewed for a six (6) month period.
Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilman Murphy, Councilman
Murdock, Councilman Nickles, Councilman Drum, Justice Doyen,
Supervisor Pell.
This resolution was declared duly adopted.
SUPERVISOR PELL: Number 7, Mattituck Senior Citizens trip to
Guerney' s Inn,' July 9th at a cost of $300. 00. I ' ll offer that .
7. On motion of Supervisor Pell-, .seconded by. Councilman Murphy, it was
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold -grants
permission to the Senior Citizen Club of Southold Township,
Mattituck Unit_ to contract for one bus at a cost .of $300. 00
to transport them to _G erney' s Inn on July 9, 1981.
Vote of. the Town Board: Ayes: Councilman Murphy;°' Councilman
Murdock, Councilman Nickles, Councilman Drum, Justice. Doyen,
Supervisor Pell.
This resolution was declared- duly - adopted..
SUPERVISOR PELL: Number 8, again a senior citizens trip,
8. On motion of Councilman Nickles, seconded by Councilman Drum, it was
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold - grants -
permission to the Senior Citizen Club of Southold Township,
Mattituck Unit to contract for one bus at a cost of' $325. 00
to- transport them to Mil Jeri dge Inn on May 6, 1981'.
Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilman Murphy, Councilman
Murdock, Councilman Nickles,- Councilman Drum, Justice Doyen,
Supervisor Pell.
This resolution was declared duly adopted.
9. On motion of Councilman Murphy, seconded by Councilman Murdock, it was
RESOLVED that Supervisor William R. Pell, III be and he hereby
is authorized and directed. to. execute an agreement with Suffolk-
County Department of Real Estate: for the rental of approximately
500 square feet of office apace- in the .basement of the. Southold
Town Hall for- the office_of--the-District Attorney_ at $96.0. 0.0
per annum, payable in equal monthly installments of $80. 00; the
Town to furnish, heat, air conditioning, lighting, electric for
normal office equipment, and building standard cleaning services.
Vote of the Town Board: Ayes:, Councilman Murphy, Councilman
Murdock, Councilman Nickles, Councilman, Drum, Justice Doyen,
Supervisor Pell.This resolution was declared duly adopted.. . .
10. On motion of .Supervisor Pell, seconded by Councilman Murdock, it was
RESOLVED that Supervisor William R. Pell, III , Councilman JohnJ.
Nickles and Town Clerk Judith T. Terry be and they hereby - are
appointed to represent the Town, of Southold in 'negoti tons with
. :,;Xh,e .North Fork Animal Welfare League for a new contract for the
,` ',Dog Pound; present contract expires on June 30, 1981.
Vote of the Town Board: Ay-es: ts Councilman Murphy, Councilman
Murdock, Councilman„ Nickles, Councilman Drum, Justice Doyen;.
Supervisor. Pell .
This resolution was declared duly adopted.
MARCH, 24, '1981
SUPERVISOR PELL: I .will appoint'r:'Councilman Nickles to' chair. it.
Number 11, Justice Doyen, please.
11. On motion . of Justice Doyen., seconded by Councilman Nickles, it. was..
RESOLVED. that the Town Board of the Town of Southold authorizes the
Board of Commissioners of the Fishers Island Ferry District to
enter into a contractual lease agreement with -G;Zedory. C. Thibodeau
for the leasing of the third building on the west side :of Prospect
Road, south of Whistler Avenue on the airport - property at. ,.an annual
rental of $600.. 00.
Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilman Murphy, Councilman
Murdock, Councilman Nickles, Councilman Drum, Justice .Doyen,
Supervisor Pell.
This resolution was declared duly adopted.
12. On motion of Councilman Drum, seconded by Councilman Murdock, it-was
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold supports
Senate bill No. 249-A entitled,"AN ACT to allow persons _in
public employment on August sixteenth, nineteen hundred seventy—
three or their executor, administrator or personal representative
who did not file a membership application with the Neal York State
employees' _etirement system to file. a request for retroactive
membership with the state comptroller",. and be it further
RESOLVED thatthe Town Clerk be and she hereby is directed to-
complete the necessary forms and submit them to the New York
State Assembly.
Vote of the Town Board:, Ayes: Councilman Murphy, Councilman
Murdock, Councilman Nickles, Councilman Drum, Justice Doyen,
Supervisor Pell.
This resolution was declared duly adopted.
13. On motion of Councilman Murdock,:.* seconded by Councilman Drum, , it was
RESOLVED that Supervisor William R.' Pell, III be and he hereby
is authorized and directed to execute an agreement,. between- the -
Coin y of Suffolk and the Town of Southold for the Town of Southold
(Greenport Site) . Senior Nutrition Program, commencing on January 1, ..
1981 and ending December 31, 1.981, in the amount of $693, 014.00.
Vote of the Town Board: Ayes:- .. Councilman Murphy, Councilman
Murdock, Councilman Nickles, Councilman Drum, Justice Doyen,
Supervisor Pell.
This resolution was declared duly adopted.
14. COUNCILMAN NICKLES: We hart a letter from-the Chairman of the
Robins Island Committee requesting a four week extension and
the resolution reads as follows :
On motion of Councilman Nickles, seconded by Councilman Murphy, it was
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold grant an
extension for the finn.1 report, of-. the Robins Island Advisory
Committee to April 20, 1981. This extension is granted due to
the various holidays and a snow day which caused the Committee
to cancel several meetings.
Vote -of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilman Murphy, Councilman
Murdock, Councilman Nickles, Councilman Drum, Justice Doyen,
Supervisor Pella
This resolution was declared duly adopted. .
SUPERVISOR PELL: The next. resolution I am going to 'ask for today
is to authorize Suffolk Community Development Corporation--
COUNCILMAN.. MUR.DOCK:., ' Sorry,_you"left out -Southold Senior Citizens.
SUPERVISOR PELL:' I 'm sorry, moving ahead too fast. Southold
Senior Citizens my apology. - Number 15.
15. On motion of Councilman Murdock,. seconded by Councilman Drum, it. was
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold grants
permission to the Southold Senior: Ci.tizgns Club to contract , -
for two buses at a. total cost of $576. 00 ,to transport them
to The Island Sauire, Middle Island, New York, for luncheon - ''
and Easter Show on April 28, . 1981.
Vote of the -Town Board: Ayes: Councilman Murphy, Councilman
Murdock, Councilman Nickles, Cotncilman .Drum, Justice Doyen,
Supervisor Pell.
This resolution was declared .duly adopted.
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SUPERVISOR PELL: Number. 16 has been tabled. (Glover Sand Pit.
renewal) .
Number 17 is Suffolk Community Development Corporation.
Anybody have the resolution on-that? I will ad lib then. As I
said, we worked today and didn' t get through everything.
The Town of Southold to apply for moderate. rehabilitation of
ten units, six for elderly, four for family,, subject to .the ,Town
Attorney' s approval. We had Pan Tech in here today. In our grant
for community block funds the Town has to have some rehab program.
We met with Pan Tech today and discussed this at great length and'.in
applying for ten we might only with, the present cuts in existence,
we might get zero, we might get two, we might ;get five, but we are
going to make application for ten. It is not the minimum that they
requested of us. The minimum is fifteen. We went below .that. . This
is something new for the Town of Southold to get involved in. We
want 'to move very slowly -and very cautiously along these lines.
The umbrella is the county. If they have more urgent needs then
the Town of Southold, Southold could be given no rehab at this. ,
time, this year, this application. This is something we are moving
very slowly with and very carefully .with and this is the route the
Board, chose to go.
17. , Moved by Supervisor Pell, seconded by Councilman Drum,
RESOLVED that the Suffolk CQmmunily Development Corporation be and
it is hereby authorized to submit an application in the name. of
the Town of Southold to the Housing; and Urban Development. Agency
for the Moderate and Rehabilitation Section 8 'Housing Program to
consist of six (6) elderly and four, (4) family units.
Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilman Murphy, Councilman-
Murdock, Councilman Nickles, Councilman Drum, Justice Doven,
Supervisor Pell,
This resolution was declared duly adopted.
18. On motion of Councilman Murdock, seconded by Councilman Drum, it was
RESOLVED that the Supervisor be and he hereby is''directed to request
the Suffolk County Department of public Works: to conduct a stabiliza-
tion feasibility study for Ithe, stabilization of;,Cedar Beach Inlet-
Vote of the Town -Board: Ayes: Councilman Murphy, Councilman
Murdock, Councilman Nickles, Councilman Drum,. Justice. Doyen,
. . Supervisor Pell.
This resolution was declared duly adopted.
19. On motion of Councilman. Drum, seconded by' Councilman Murdock, it was
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold urges the
Governor. and the State Legislature to remove the freeze on State
Shared Revenue proposed in the 1981-1982 Executive Budget and to
restore the allocations to towns and other local governments in
accordance with State Finance Law #54, including the use of 1980
population census.
Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilman Murphy, Councilman
Murdock, Councilman Nickles, Councilman Drum, Justice Doyen,
Supervisor Pell.
This resolution was declared duly adopted,
SUPERVISOR PELL: 20, again Councilman Drum. These come out of
the Association of Towns. Mr. Drum was our voting delegate.
20. On motion of Councilman Drum, seconded by Councilman Murphy,
WHEREAS, for nearly 30 years the Town Ilih_ay Improvement Program
(THIP) has been most successful... in upgrading the quality of Town
Highways, and.
WHEREAS, State appropriations for the last several years have
remained static while inflation and increased cost of labor and
materials -have reduced the number of highway miles improved under
this program, and
WHEREAS, the THIP expires in 1982, with the final processing
of applications having occurred in 1980. Therefore, the extension
of THIP is essential to'"preserve "the basic highway program, upon
adoption of an acceptable better plan, TRIP could be. repealed.
Therefore, be it
RESOLVED that the Town Board of- the Town of Southold hereby urges
the Governor and. the State Legislature to extend the Town Righway.
Improvement Program and to end the-.discriminatory treatment of
towns by adopting a more equitable state aid plan for town. highways.
Vote of Town Board: Ayes: Councilman Murphy, Councilman
Murdock, Councilman Nickles, Councilman Drum, Justice Doyen,
Supervisor Pell.
This resolution was declared duly adopted'..
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SUPERVISOR PELL: Number 21 is `s'omethin"g that the Town Board
spent an awful lot of time on today. What we call Jack' s Shack.
21. On motion of Councilman Nickles, seconded by Councilman Murphy, it was
RESOLVED that the Town Clerk be and she hereby is authorized to.
advertise for bids for the sale and removal of the former refresh-
ment building located on the premises of _the Town on the north side
of C. R. 48, at Arshamomaque, New York, formerly known as "Jack' s
Shack" , including necessary site restoration work. Proposals to
be received until 3: 00 P.M. , April 20, 1981.. Work to begin within
five days after execution of 'a contract by the successful bidder,
and completion of the work. shall 'be thirty- days..-from that date.
Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilman Murphy, Councilman
Murdock, Councilman Nickles, Councilman Drum, Justice Doyen,
Supervisor Pell.
This resolution was declared duly adopted.
COUNCILMAN NICKLES: I ' d like to say one further word on it. I
neglected in my report on the parks and beache$ that as you. know';
we passed a Park and Recreation Ordinance this ,year and Mr. Dean,-
as Commissioner of Public' Works, sets the regulations and one of -
his suggestions is that after this building is.-torn down that he
will set aside approximately two parking -areas, fenced off, adjacent
.to the beach so that when and if trucks that sell beverages and hot
dogs 'go in there we won't have children running all over the parking
lot. ' It will ' be a safe area reserved for those people that are
under permit from 'the Town to. have a concession.
SUPERVISOR PELL: Number 22 is to hire under the Department. of
Public Works, Ellen Neville,,who, :is..:now Custodian up at Peconic
Lane in the building up there. Forty hours per week at $8500. 00
per year. We' ve had a retirement in the Highway Department. We' ve
moved one man from there over to the Department--from Public Works
into the Highway so we have the slot there and. the money there
for this person.
22 . On motion . of Supervisor Pell, seconded by Councilman Murdock, 'it was
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold appoint Ellen
Neville. as Custodian under the Department of Public Works at a
salary of $8500. 00 per annum for 40 hours per week, effective
April 1, 1981 .
Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilman Murphy, - Councilman '. t
Murdock, Councilman Nickles, Councilman Drum, Justice Doyen, .
Supervisor Pell.
This resolution was declared duly adopted.
23. On motion of Councilman Nickles, seconded by Councilman Murphy, it was
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold appoint Joan"
Dors as a part-time Clerk Typist in the B11ilding Dellart.mei t, effective
April 1, 1981 through June 30, 1981, 30 hours per week, at $4. 50
per hour.
Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilman Murphy, Councilman
Murdock, Councilman Nickles, Councilman Drum, Justice Doyen,
Supervisor Pell.
This resolution was declared duly adopted.
24. On motion of Councilman Murphy, seconded by Councilman Murdock, it was
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the. Town of Southold appoint Marian
_Goubeaud as a part-time Clerk Tgpist in the Town Clerk' s Office_
effective April 1, 1981, 20 hours per week, at $4. 50 per hour.
Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilman Murphy, Councilman
Murdock, Councilman Nickles, Councilman Drum, Justice Doyen,
Supervisor Pell.
This resolution was declared duly adopted.
25. On motion of Supervisor Pell, ,seconded by Councilman Drum, .it was
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold appoint
Elizabeth Jane Moffat) as a -part-time Clerk Typist in. the er-
visor' s Office_ effective April 1, 1981, 20 hours per week, at
$4. 50 per hour.
Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilman Murphy, Councilman
Murdock, Councilman Nickles, Councilman Drum, . Justice Doyen,
Supervisor Pell.,
This resolution was declared duly adopted. .
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SUPERVISOR PELL: Number 26 we move to the Nutrition Site in
Greenport . Our cook down there is Jerry King and he is going .
into the hospital for approximately two to three weeks operation
and he. will be out of work, th'erefore we have to hire a cook .to
relieve him to carry on the work while he is laid 'up and there- ,-
fore we would like to hire Dorothy Mysliborski as Nutrition Cook', '
not to exceed four weeks. 'He says three. weeks, but we are putting
in the resolution four weeks in case anything does wrong. . Four
weeks at the hourly rate of $3. 77 .per hour and the funds to be
paid from the Whole Town Contingency line.
.26. On motion of Supervisor Pell, seconded by Councilman Murphy, it was
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold appoint
.Dorothy Mysliborski as part-time Cook at' the Nutrition Center,
to relieve Gerald King, for a period of time not to exceed four
weeks, at a salary of $3, 77 per hour; funds to be used from the
Whole Town Contingency Account.
COUNCILMAN NICKLES: Discussion.
SUPERVISOR PELL: Discussion.
COUNCILMAN NICKLES : Did we decide to do the transfer first, Bill?
SUPERVISOR PELL: No, we did not.
COUNCILMAN NICKLES : Mrs. Clerk, did we?
TOWN CLERK TERRY: No, you didn' t, because he is taking it 'from
Contingent.
SUPERVISOR PELL: We. are taking it out of the Contingent. Town
Attorney, I am taking it out. of the Contingency line.
TOWN ATTORNEY TASKER: Transferred into whatever., account, right?
COUNCILMAN NICKLES: Don' t we' have to do the transfer first?
TOWN ATTORNEY TASKER: Yes.
COUNCILMAN NICKLES: Before we hire the person?.
SUPERVISOR_ PELL:' Then I will need a line number for it.. I have
to -.create a line item. Transfer--
I ' ll withdraw the- motion since I made it . We' ll start again.
Supervisor Pell withdrew his motion and ,Councilman Murphy withdrew
his "second.
(Off the record discussion concerning a transfer of funds. )
26(.a) On motion of Supervisor Pell', seconded by Councilman Nickles, it was
RESOLVED that 625. 00 be and hereby is transferred from Whole Town
General, Fund Contingent Account to programs for the Aging A6772. 1
for the', purpose of paying- Dorothy Mysliborski, part-time relief
cook at the Nutrition Site,.
Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilman Murnhy, . Councilman
Murdock, .Councilman Nickles, Councilman Drum, Justice Doyen,
Supervisor Pell.
This resolution was declared 'duly� adopted.
26(b) , On motion- of S.upervisor. Pell, seconded by _Councilman Drum, it was
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the. Town . of Southold appoint.
Dorothy Mvsliborski as ar -time, Cook at the Nutrition C'ente
to relieve Gerald King, .for a .period of time not to. exceed. four
weeks, at a salary of $3. 77 per hour.
Vote of the Town 'Board: Ayes: Councilman Murphy, Councilman
Murdock, Councilman Nickles,. Councilman Drum, - Justice Doyen,
Supervisor Pell.
This resolution was declared duly adopted.
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2700' On motion of Councilman Murdock, seconded 'by Councilman Drum, it was
RESOLVED .that Supervisor William R. Pell, III be and he hereby is
authorized and directed ..to. make. application to the New York State
Division of Substance Abuse Services for a Drug Abuse Prevention
Council-Grant in .the amount of $3,000. 00.
Vote of .the Town Board: -Ayes:.. . Councilman .Murphy, Councilman
Murdock, Councilman Nickles, Councilman Drum, Justice 'Doyen,,
Supervisor Pell.
This resolution was declared duly" adopted.
27(b) On motion of Councilman Drum, seconded by Councilman Nickles, it was..
RESOLVED that there is hereby created a Drug Abuse Prempntion
Council in the Town of Southold to consist of not .less than
three,. nor .more than. seven members.
Vote of. the Town Board: Ayes: Councilman Murphy., Councilman
Murdock, Councilman Nickles, Councilman Drum, Justice Doyen,.
Supervisor Pell.
This resolution was declared duly adopted. .
SUPERVISOR PELL: Number 28 pertains to Mr. Dean and his hi�7_hway.
I think Councilman Murdock is prepared to .read this resolution.
28(a) Councilman . Murdock offered the following resolution and moved its
adoption:
BOND RESOLUTION OF THE TOWN OF - SOUTHOLD, NEW .YORK,
ADOPTED MARCH 24 , 1981, AUTHORIZING (A) THE
PURCHASE OF ONE (1). :.,ST.REET SWEEPER AT THE ESTIMATED
MAXIMUM COST OF $53 , 000; AND (B) ONE (1), BACKHOE AND
LOADER, -AT-.THE ESTIMATED MAXIMUM COST OF ,$75 ,.000;
BOTH ITEMS FOR USE BY THE HIGHWAY DEPARTMENT,; STATING
THE .ESTIMATED TOTAL COST OF SAID SPECIFIC OBJECTS .
OR PURPOSES IS $128 , 000, APPROPRIATING SAID AMOUNT
THEREFOR, AUTHORIZING THE APPLICATION OF.-$101000BEING THE
TRADE-IN VALUE OF OBSOLETE HIGHWAY EQUIPMENT AND
AUTHORIZING THE ISSUANCE OF $118 ,000 SERIAL BONDS ,
OF THE TOWN TO FINANCE .THE BALANCE OF SAID APPRO-
PRIATION AND FURTHER AUTHORIZING ANY AMOUNTS RECEIVED
-FROM THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND/OR THE .STATE
OF NEW YORK TO BE EXPENDED TOWARDS THE COST OF SAID
SPECIFIC' OBJECT OR PURPOSE OR REDEMPTION OF SAID BONDS
-ISSUED THEREFOR OR TO BE BUDGETED AS AN OFFSET TO
THE TAXES FOR PAYMENT OF THE PRINCIPAI� AND INTEREST
ON SAID BONDS.
THE TOWN BOARD OF THE TOWN OF SOUTHOLD, IN THE COUNTY
OF SUFFOLK?' NEW YORK, HEREBY RESOLVES (by the favorable vote
of not less than . two-thirds of all the members of. -said Board) ,
AS FOLLOWS:
Section 1. The Town of Southold, in the County of
Suffolk, New York (".Town" ) , is hereby authorized to purchase
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(a) one street sweeper. at the estimated maximum cost of
$53, 000, and (b) one backhoe and loader at' the estimated maxi
mum cost of $75, 000, both items for use by the Highway Department
of the Town.. The estimated. total cost of said'. specific' objects
or purposes, including preliminary costs and costs incidental
thereto and - the financing thereof is $128, 000. and the " said
amount is hereby appropriated therefor, including the ap-
plication of $10,.000, being the trade-in value- of obsolete
highway equipment. p.resently owned by the Town, and hereby
authorized to be applied towards the payment of the 'equipment
authorized by this resolution. : ' The plan .of financing includes
the use of said $10, 000 trade-in allowance, the issuance of
$118 , 000 serial bonds to finance the balance of. said ap
propriation and the levy of a tax upon all the taxable real
property in the Town to pay the principal of and interest
on said bonds as the . same .shall. become due and payable.. It
is, also expected that grants of Federal and/or, -State funds
will--be received and any amounts so received.:'are hereby aut-
horized to be expended tow
ards .the cost of said: specifi.c
objects . or purposes or redemption of said bonds or any bond
anticipation notes issued'in anticipation of the .s.ale of
said bonds or to be budgeted as an offset to the .=taxes for
the payment of the principal of and - interest. on` said bonds.
Section 2. Serial bonds of the Town in the principal
amount of $118, 00.0 are. hereby authorized to be issued pursuant
to the provisions of the Local Finance Law, constituting
Chapter 33-a of the ,Consolidated' Laws of the State of New
York ("Law" ) , to. finance. the balance. of said appropriation.
Section 3. The following ' additional matters are hereby
determined and stated:
(a) The period of :probable usefulness of the street
sweeper for which serial bonds herein authorized to be issued
pursuant to Section l (a) hereof, within, the limitations of
Section 11 00a. 29 of the Law, is five (5) years.
(b) . The period- of .probable usefulness of the backhoe
and loader for which serial bonds herein authorized to be issued
pursuant to Section l (b) hereof, within the limiat.ions of Section
11. 00a. 28 of the Law, is fifteen (15) years, but the maturity
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of any bonds issued under this resolution will not exceed
five (5); .years.
(c) Current-funds .are not required by the Law to
be provided prior to the issuance of the bonds authorized
by this resolution or any' bond anticipation notes issued in
anticipation thereof pursuant to the provisions of Section
107 . 00d._4 and 5 of the Law:
Section 4 , Each "of the serial bonds authorized b,,b
thi-s resolution and any bond anticipation notes issued in
anticipation of the sale "of said bonds, shall contain the recital.
of validity prescribed by Section 52. 00 .,of the L&j 'and said
bonds "and any notes issued in anticipation of said bonds, shall
be general obligations of the Town; payable- as to both principal_
and interest by a general" tax upon all the taxable real property ,
within the Town without limitation of rate or amount. The
faith and credit of the .Town .'are hereby irrevocably" pledged
to the punctual payment .of the principal of and interest on
said• bonds• and provision shall be made annually in. the budget
of the Town "by appropriation for (a) - the amortization and
:redemption of the bonds and any notes in anticipati"on, thereof
to mature in such year; and (b) the payment of interest to be
due and payable in such year.
Section 5". Subject to the provisions ' of this reso-
lution and. of the Law; pursuant to the provisions of Section
30 . 00 "relative to the authorization of. the issuance of bond
anticipation notes , or, the -renewals of said Notes' and of
Section 50 .' 00 and Sections 56 . 00 to 60 . 00 of the "Law, the powers
and duties of the Town Board relative to authorizing bond
anticipation notes and prescribing the terms , . form and contents .
and as to the sale and issuance of the bonds herein authorized
Nand of any bond anticipation notes. issued in anticipation of
.said bonds, and the renewals of said notes , - are hereby delegated
to the Supervisor, the chief fiscal officer of the Town.
Section 6. The validity of the bond authorized by
this resolution and of any notes issued-,-in anticipation of said
bonds , may be contested only if:
(a) such obligations are " authorized- for an
objector purpose for which the` Town is
not authorized to .expend. money, or
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(b) the provisions of law which should be
complied with at the -date of the publica-
tion of such resolution are not substantially
complied with,
and an action, suit or proceeding contesting such validity is
commenced within twenty days after. the date of such publication, or
Y
(c) such obligations are authorized in violation
of the provisions of the constit•ation:
Section 7 . This resolution shall take effect immediately
The adoption of the foregoing resolution was seconded by Councilman
Drum and duly put to a vote ' on roll call which resulted as
follows: Ayes: Councilman Murphy, Councilman Murdock, Councilman
Nickles, Councilman Drum, ',Justice_ Doyen, Supervisor Pell.
This resolution was. declared duly adopted.
28. (b) Councilman Murdock offered the following resolution and moved its
adoption:
RESOLVED by the Town Board of the Town of Southold, in' the County
of Suffolk, New York, is , hereby directed to publish the foregoing
fond resolution, in full, in "The Suffolk Times", a newspaper
published in Southold, New York, and having a general circulation
therein, which newspaper is .hereby designated as the official news-
paper of .the Town for such publication, together with the Town
Clerk' s statutory notice in substantially the form as prescribed
by Section 81. 00 of the Local Finance Law of the. State of New York.
Section 2. This resolution shall take effect immediately.
The adoption of the foregoing resolution .was seconded by Councilman
Drum and duly put to a vote on roll . call, which resulted as
:
follows Ayes: Councilman Murphy;-, Councilman. Murdock, Councilman
Nickles, Councilman Drum, - Justice Doyen, Supervisor Pell.
This resolution was declared duly. adopted.
SUPERVISOR PELL: I would like to explain to the press and the
people here that $43, 000 will come from the Federz;'_.. 7evenue
Sharing Budget, if we .adopt it, towards that figure. We have
to do it this- way, and $10, 000 trade-in. ` So if everything goes
according the way we hope it does the trade-in, the bonds will
actually be about $75, 000. But according to legal we have to
do 'it this way.
29. On motion of Councilman Drum; seconded by Councilman Murphy, it was
RESOLVED that the Town Clerk of the Town of Southold be and she
hereby is authorized to' adver is ' fer b; s for the following:
One (1) Dynahoe Model 190 Series Three Heavy-Duty Hydraulic Back_
hoe Loader Unit . -or equal, with trade-in of one (1) 1965 Hough
H90C and one (1) 1970 Ford Backhoe, Model F 5000.
Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilman Murphy, Councilman
Murdock, Councilman Nickles, Councilman Drum, Justice Doyen,
Supervisor Pell.
This resolution was declared duly adopted.
30. On motion of Councilman Murdock, seconded by Councilman Drum, it was
RESOLVED that the Town Clerk of the Town of Southold be and she
hereby is authorized. to ,-advertisen for bid,9 for the following:
One (1) 1981 ITE4 Four-Wheel Self-Propelled Pickup -Street Sweeper
Single Cutter Broom, or equal; with .trade-in of one (1) 1968 Mobil
Sweeper, Model 2TE4.
Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilman Murphy, Councilman
Murdock, Councilman Nickles, Councilman Drum, Justice, Doyen,
Supervisor Pell, j
This resolution was declared duly adopted. .
SUPERVISOR PELL: Believe it .brnot, 'that ends the agenda that
we have. At this time I would like to ask the Councilmen if
they have anything else they would like to bring up at this
time. Councilman Murdock?
COUNCILMAN MURDOCK.; I do, - Bill. ' After last Board meeting it
appeared on the .front page of the paper that because I declared
. my candidacy for office that you charged my' motives in the Board
meeting were political. I resent that remark. I resent the
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implication that my service to th,e Town-has been political. I
understand that I 'm a politician ,Ai -that ,anything I do either.
officially or unofficially does have a political overtone. How-
, ' ever, I think in the year and three months that I. have been on
this Board I have never let my personal feelings or my personal.
wants or desires intrude upon my performance on what I figure to
be the best for the Town of. Southold. I 've taken positions where,
vis �a . vis Robins Island where in my original opinion.. I was not
in favor of it. I was in favor of the people of 'the Town of
Southold having a chance to have their opinion heard and moved.
hard to get the Rnliinc Island CoMrrittp,e established. I ' ve tried
to conduct myself all through my association :on this Town Board
in a neutral way to. what I believed to be. the best for the Town.
I think you' ll have to agree that in the year and three months
the newspapers have been very disappointed because we had very
little conflict apparent on this Board with you. That is
particularly done by design. I think I and all the other members
of this .Board have tried very hard 'to, remain apolitical in our .
deliberations.. I certainly hope that- for the next six or nine -
months on any given day you will not, charge us with dealing
politics with. our Town Board. deliberations.
SUPERVISOR PELL: , Anything else?
COUNCILMAN DRUM: Do you have anything to say on' that?
:' SUPERVISOR PELL: Not. at, this time. Councilman Drum?.
COUNCILMAN DRUM: It 'looks like this is your day. T had made
comments at the working session and it's concerning the comments
that were made in regard to street lights, which perhaps along
the same vein as Councilman. Murdock has said, _where comments
' were made. b alle edl made as', r ated in the `
Y g Y P paper, that. when
Councilman Nickles asked us what the cost of the street , lights`,•
were two weeks ago at' this Town Board meeting, I was.--not able
to give them. I 'm a member .of the Street J,jg=' Committee;., and
I did not think' at that particular time--1 know John. Nickles-:
and I did not think that he was politically motivated 'in .aski'ng
a question, what the cost was of these street lights, - That
proposal was for twenty street 'lights which we have not requested
at any one time in the past year. We have been without funds'- _
this past year. And as 'a `result of what I 'm saying, Mr. ,Super-
visor, I did- not think his `remarks were p;olitically' motivate.d`,
and I. don' t like to see-politics enter into our deliberations
or in comments when made such' as- John Nickles made. When- we"'
speak of the street lights, I might say, we had a street light
report and I 'm glad to see Mr. Homan here today. He made a. .
very thorough study several years ago and it ' s still applicable
today, the study made. Of' course, we have, had additional funds`
that have been--you just heard this last hearing on . the Federal.
Revenue Sharing--some $10, 00.0, 00 made available for a study and
while Mr. Homan' s study is still--as I say applicable 'it ' s ,
perhaps an -update- and this past year there have not been--there
have been only three street lights. Not many, only . three requests
that have been approved. There were two additional but the .
fixtures were furnished, by the Chambers of Commerce in Mattituck
and Cutchogue. I guess what I 'm saying, Mr. Supervisor, I. didn' t
think your remarks were apropos, your purported remarks.
SUPERVISOR PELL: Thank you. Councilman..Nickles?
`COUNCILMAN NICKLES:. I don' t have anything toy.,, say. really: I' just
think 'that . I really'enjoy it with the Town Clerk reading, these
resolutions for us and I suggest that all resolutions be read
by -the Town Clerk in the future
SUPERVISOR. PELL: Councilman Murphy?
COUNCILMAN MURPHY: It would make it much easier, Judy. I have.
nothing more to say to the Supervisor except your doing a good
job.
SUPERVISOR PELL: Justice Doyen?
JUSTICE DOYEN: I have nothing.
SUPERVISOR PELL: The floor is open to the public. . Does anyone
wish to address the Board? Mr. . Frank Bear, then I will come to
you Peg. ,
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FRANKLIN BEAR: - At the work session this morning I read this
statement so it is slightly old news to you gentlemen and
you, Judith Terry, but I want to. `get it. into the record and also
take the advantage to .the. people who, are here today..:
At the March loth work.- session of the Southold Town Board;
I believe the members of the Board agreed to Town Attorney.. Robert
Tasker' s request - that the Town. -Board meet joinly with the Town' s
Planning Board, Zoning Board of Appeals and Bu l di ng., Inspector
to consider changes in the Town' s ,code .on zoning.:. You -informed
me this morning that such:a`ineeting 'is already set up for April
14th and. I'm glad to hear that. Such an effort would certainly
be' worth while--in fact,. is urgently needed--and' I trust that
=steps will be taken in that -:direction soon".' I understand' that
both the Planning and Zoning. Boards already have identified a
number of shortcomings in the .present code. . Discussing these
and 'problems of p jurisdiction, including overlapping or contra-
dictory. responsibilities',, can hardly happen too 'soon.
There is a related,.'even more basic, problem, however. The
` Southold Town Plan, which served~as a guide for portions of the
Zoning Code which were entacted eight or ten years ago,- was
adopted in 1971. It was based on .-a study by Raymond and May,
the planning consultants, which ,was completed in 1967. In other
words, the data and assumptions in, the Raymond and May report,
and to a considerable extent in the Town. Zoning Code, are up
to fifteen years old. Hence many of these data and assumptions
are out of date.
Much has happened during the last decade to -shed new light--
and to influence the thinking--on the economic, social -and ,
environmental aspects of life in` the Town of Southold., both
present and future. There was the so-called 208 Study on waste
management. There was the Coastal Zone Management study. There
was the beginning of the Farmland Preservation Program. 'There
were problems with the contamination,' of-.our:,drinking,. water. There
developed new trends in, planning; such as clustering .of homes--
and how many people had ever thought back then .,of. a condominium?
Or of hL.ving to close down the`' dump:' and build a .waste`treatment
plant? Or of .having to pay the H2M. Corporation thousands and
thousands of dollars to make all their studies for .Sbuthol,d arid-
the other East End towns? Yes, and a lot has happened in the
last- 15 years pointing toward` the. need to update Southold' s Town
P1 an
.The Southold Town Planning Board,- under the chairmanship ,of
Henry Raynor, has taken the first .,essential steps in that direction,
Chairman Raynor, after experiencing various problems in conforming
._ __with the '.Town Code=-including the Planning Board' s , often confusing
relationship with the Zoning Board of Appeals--initiated these
steps by inviting Lee Koppelman, Iexecutive director of the Suffolk
County Planning. Commission, and his assistant, Arthur Kunz, to an
exploratory meeting with the; Planning Board on June 16, 1980.
Mr. Koppelman and Mr. Kunz were ,impressed with the thoughtful
and thorough manner in which Mr. Raynor had prepared- for the
meeting. Mr. Koppelman offered to make his staff available to
assist .the Town in updating its plan, providing he was requested
to do so by the Southold .Town Board. The cost to' the Town would
be minimal, especially as- compared with what a new study by
Raymond and May would cost . Mr. Raynor then- reported Mr.
Koppelman' s offer to the Town' Board. And as you know, Mr.',, - .
Raynor and some of you met with Mr. 'Raymond of Raymond and May
yesterday to discuss this matter,:,. And -this would indicate ,
further need for some action i that. direction.
I would hope that the Town Board would act now to .seek the
County Planning Commission' s assistance in updating the Town
Plan. This is an essential .prol.iminary to changing the Zoning
Code, although the Town Board's consideration of zoning problems
need not await achievement� of an' updated plan. Such "consideration
might in fact be a contribution to- the Man.
Incidentally, the .Town Plan., is to be the program -topic at
the May 6th ,meeting of -,the Le ague _of, Women Voters of Riverhead/
Southold, -at 7: 30 P.M. at ' the''Cutchogue Presbyterian . Church
The members of the Town Board- would be most welcome to attend.
that meeting. That meet ing,'` incidentally,_ the ,people who :will
be on the program in the panel, will be Mr. Raynor, Chairman
of the Town Planning Board, Arthur' Kunz, who was at that meeting
I referred ,on June the 16th as' the 'Suffolk County Planning
Commission staff., and .David Newton, . who is the Land Use Special
ist for the Cooperative Extension of . Suffolk County. I.t would
be encouraging if the Town at: that .time 'had already requested
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:the- assistan"ce of the 'County Planning. Commission. That would
be a -positive. step toward .giving the:. future. of Southold a fresh,
new look in our mutual concern for d"protecting Southold"s unique
legacy through careful planning and zoning.
Thank -you very much..
SUPERVISOR PELL: Thank you, 'Mr. Bear.
MR.. BEAR.: I think you have a copy of this,'. don't you; Judy
TOWN •CLERK TERRY:_ Yes, I do, thank you.
(Justice Doyen- left the Town Board meeting at 4: 35• P.M. )
SUPERVISOR. PELL:; Anybody else wish to address the Town Board?
MR. HENRY -LYTLE: Concering this public notice on page 2, do you
have any knowledge whether Mr. Douglass and Mr. Latham intend to
accept reappointment?
SUPERVISOR PELL: Yes, they do.
MR. LYTLE: Thank you.
: TOWN CLERK TERRY: We have resumes on both of them.
SUPERVISOR PELL:. * Resumes, have7,already been. turned in on both of
them. They do seek reappointment.
MR. "LYTLE: , They should be reappointed -in my view. point.
SUPERVISOR PELL: The Board will " reevaluate. Thank you very,-
much. Anybody else wish t_o,., addres8;; the Town Board?
MRS. PEG KAELIN Thank you very much.,. ., I see that you 'have been
very very busy and I know that your work sessions for' the next.
two weeks are,;just unbelievable and I can see where with. you
adding on. another fifteen resolutions that you' re really earning
your ""keep here. I was very happy to hear that Bridge Lane sump..:
hopefully will have funds because I have a lot of friends `.on• that
road and it ' s been tough getting up and back there. I was •also
glad to hear that the Board does support and urge, from time to
time, the state legislature on various legislation and allocations.
The state legislature will be enacting legislation. the :latter part
of April which is regarding the following: : the legislation- in"tro-
duced'will_ appeal to the United States Congress to convene a =
-constitutional convention for the purpose of causing a an
life . amendmen and also legislation to support prohibiting the
funding "of abortions.` I have spoken to you-- last, year on -the
constitutional call and certainly am not going. to 'take up your
time on that. Six months is quite along time. I do have new
information that I did not have ".at that time that 'I will turn
in to you. today and my covering letter on medicaid abortion .
funding I think is also thorough. . If you have any questions•.,
whatsoever, . I' ve given my phone number .on report so I ' d be
happy to answer any questions you might have. I do not intend
to take up any of your: time. Thank you very much.
SUPERVISOR PELL: Thank you. Will you turn that in to the •Town
Clerk? Mr: Homan?
MR-* JAMES HOMAN: Thank. you, _Mr. Pell. 'As you realize,. I .came
down here to talk "about ;strPPt . lights;. I'm sorry to see that
you pulled that first resolution. At first I was going. .to 'ask
what kind of Board do ,we have that when a Councilman asks you
what a street light costs that we either have a financial
committee or a street light committee that can' t answer it:
That' s pretty good. Then' I asked for, requested rather, and
got a copy of the proposed installation of 24 lights and I.. did
a little work on them and I found them to be in' the most part.
very verylacking and I 'm sorry that you didn' t bring them up
because I `. certainly would .have liked to discuss them all the
way from the first one,, where the proposal .was to put .Lights
that are 20 to :30 feet away from the road, rather than put them
on the. opposite side of the road where the poles are 10 feet .
away. from,the road. All the way down to putting lights onthe .
: best lit. toads we have in Town" and just north - of it. are, two
lights lighting a potato field .any one of .which could be moved
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down to fulfill the request. The Street Light Committee has
not done their homework on these lights. As a matter of fact
they recommended one area two lights that needs three. And I
find that, you know, rather than 'to go .into each and every one
of these recommendations, which for: the most part I find lacking,
I really think that the people who are going to be.-.on the Street
Light Committee really have got to get out. Now, Bill.,. you..know
what it takes because you ;worked .with me on it and you -know "that
when . we went out with street lights, we didn' t see how many: lights.
we could put up, we .went to see. how many we could take down -and
the last thing that you and I did, - we took town six percent- of
the lights and cut out forty- percent of " the energy and put more
than one hundred percent light on the road than we had before.
The Street Light Program was - originally set up in`,three phases.
The first phases of which .have been done and the Town borrowed
$50, 000. 00 to do it. $25, 000. 00 of that $50, 000., 00 they spent
for a truck, the other $25, 000. 00 they spend for lights. Our
estimated bill for 1977 for. LILCO was $103,000. 00. What is your
bill today for street lights?
SUPERVISOR ,PELL: Jimmy, off the. top of my head, $70, 000, 00.
MR. HOMAN: $65, 000. 00, besides your maintenance. Can you
imagine what that bill would be today if we hadn't gone into
the Street Light Program? In other words, in the; last four 'years
this Town has saved over $50; 000: 00. If the Town had put money
into street lights over the last several years, instead of
perhaps buying police cars which were an annual expense and
put the money into street lights, we' d be saving enough ,inoney
to buy police cars every year. Mr. Murphy just .gave a cost of
$41. 00 in "energy, I believe, for a" 50 watt light. Where did you
get that figure from, Mr. Murphy?
COUNCILMAN MURPHY: Mr. Dean- got it from. LILCO.
MR. HOMAN: Oh, do you believe everything LILCO tells you?' Do
you know how muoh that light. costs .:;you?
COUNCILMAN MURPHY: In energy?
- MR. HOMAN: In energy. That light costs you $20. 25.. a°.yea:r, plus
another $5 .00 pole rental and another $4.20 ' a head hook-up. . It
doesn' t cost you that . You said we have `1300 street lights . We
don' t have 1300 street lights, we have 1423 lights_ . Do you
realize that we have five lights in the Town that are costing us
over $115 00 a year to burn? That put out less light than the
cheapest. light that we put up?. The cheapest sodium?- I"m sorry,
but you fellows on your Street . Light Committee are not doing
your homework and I just hope for .the sake of the Town that you
do give this thing a little more thought.. The other thing I would
like ,to caution you about - is the irresponsible--not the irresponsible--
just. the indiscriminate placing of. street lights because people ask
for them. This is the hardest thing I had to contend with when I
was on the Street Light .Committee; taking street lights down .just
because _somebody ,wanted one.-An front- of their house. If you go to
that you are going to have an awful lot of miles of roads in the
Town. If you are going to light them from one end to the ot.her
end, you must be very very careful where you put your street lights.
SUPERVISOR PELL: Jimmy,. can I ask you where did you . get the
figure of energy,gy, your energy figure, because--- . ..
MR. HOMAN: I got it"from your, last month' s bills.
SUPERVISOR PELL: Mr, Dean, you got--'
MR. HOMAN: It is the wattage of your light plus the wattage of
' your- ballast,- plus 4200 hours per,.year, , plus your current energy
cost which is $. 080182.
SUPERVISOR PELL: Mr. Dean, where did you get your energy---
HIGHWAY SUPERINTENDENT DEAN: - I got it from LILCO.
SUPERVISOR PELL: You called .LILCO and got it from LILCO.
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MR. HOMAN: If that was the case, B lly, you' d be spending over ,
$100, .00G. 00 a year for energy and you' re not doing, that. My
figures are right.
SUPERVISOR PELL: Mr. Dean, you are going to call .LILCO tomorrow,
and if they are charging us on what you say and what Jimmy just
brought out,- let ' s.- find out who'.s right and who' s wrong. .`LILCO
could be misleading- us..
MR." HOMAN: One more thing. After a great deal . of- study when I
was doing -the. street lights, I, ofcourse, went down to North
Carolina and I went Upstate- and, I went to New Jersey and a lot
of other places looking not only to see what kind of street _lights
were .available, but how the. other municipalities ran' their program
if. we- were put in the same situation that we .were in there, . so
called new street lighting departments, and in all . of this I
recommended. to the. Town Board at that . time a. GE power door type .
of fixture' which the Town Board did go out ,to bid on and did
standardize. I "understand that you have now--are now buying
a different type fixture?
COUNCILMAN DRUM: It' s news to me. if he is, Jim.
HIGHWAY SUPERINTENDENT DEAN:.- I'm trying the ITT. .
MR. HOMAN: Does anybody have. figures on the two lights, the. ITT
and GE?
COUNCILMAN ,DRUM: No,' Mr. Dean was going to get ahold of -me" at
time--appropriate time and we would go and look- at- what was
proposed. To- date I don' t know how, Ray, y.ou' ve gone.
MR. HOMAN: It ' s, immaterial. I .just heard that you were buying.
a fixture that was half the cost of the other and I did a little
checking around: So I was just curious about what, the fixtures
were costing you.'
SUPERVISOR PELL: Mr. Dean, can you give us a price for. ITT? `
MR. HOMAN: I don' t think it' s Mr. Dean.' s.;place to give a price,,
on street lights. It is the,-Street Light Committee's place ''to
know what a light is going to cost- him when "they say" they put."up
a light, what kind of light are they going to put up, and what
- it" is going to cost them. And. after all; the big expense of: 'a
light is not the fixture itself. That ' s secondary. The big `"
expense . is .your energy cost .and your maintenance of a` light:.. ..
Those are your two.. big ones.
SUPERVISOR PELL:. Thank you, Mr. Homan. . Mr: Dean, do you have
a cost, any idea of the cost. of that. ITT light for the Board?,
HIGHWAY SUPERINTENDENT ,DEAN: The "price I got for ITT was
approximately $95. 00. _
SUPERVISOR PELL: Again, "the .G.E. ?
HIGHWAY SUPERINTENDENT DEAN:. I can' t remember what G.E . light
is. ., If we go out to bid, but : first I have to contact H2M
to check this,fxture and they haven' t gotten back to me. yet.
SUPERVISOR PELL: When .they,_get back to you you will notify the
Street Light Committee, 'I presume.
HIGHWAY SUPERINTENDENT DEAN: That ' s right.
COUNCILMAN DRUM.: You called me, several weeks ago and said-,we
would go take a look at. these; to date we have not. done it.
To my knowledge_ nothing has been purchased.
SUPERVISOR PELL: Nothing has been . bought - yet , no.
COUNCILMAN MURPHY: Jim, I appreciate'-your comments and' I think
you're one thousand percent right and what I would like is some
input from you and, also some kind of passing-:on, I realize -all '
of us-aren' t here each - year and I do think,,:.some of this.,material
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should have been passed on. This .mo'rning was 'the first time I ,
heard of a report. This morning was.the first time I' saw the
outside 'cover of it. I haven' t been given a report yet and
anything that was turned over concerning.-any costs, of . anythng
has never been turned over to this- :Street Light Committee as of
January 1, 1981. Now, .. I would appreciate anything. . I would like.
if you would give of your. time. I `know-you have given a lot of
time. If you would give of your time in- helping the- present
Street Light Committee come up with the right answers. .. I think
we ' re all interested in the same thing.
MR. HOMAN: Mr. Murphy, if "Judy did have copy of this report,..
I don' t know. Bill)had a copy, I gave it to him that night
when he and I went out looking at street "lights. I don' t "know
why--I 'm sure the Highway Department has a...copy of it. I will
be glad to meet with you at my convenience, you and Hank .:`or
anybody else. I spent .a great deal' of time setting up this
program and I have a great deal of 'feeling for it. One of the
few areas" where you can spend money to save .money.
MRS. RUTH OLIVA: I just like to ask` Mr. Drum if he can enlighten
me on something. What type of scientist down at the Department of
Public Works will" be conducting'the feasibility study at ' Cedar
Beach?
COUNCILMAN DRUM: I don' t know who will be conducting the study,
scientist-wise. That is. up to the county . to determine who will
conduct. We will just request that the study be conducted, to
look _at the feasibility, the "stabilization. There have been
comments perhaps the location of the inlet is not correct. - Perhaps
a jetty would solve the problem. Perhaps if,..you= took the . entrance
to--rather -than having it where it is if it were further northeast
you would not have the filling •of `the entrance to-:
o- "the- inlet . If
you go. around that point .you`do not get the la.toral drift and
maybe---
MRS;. -OLIVA: We disagree- on that but--
COUNCILMAN DRUM: You may disagree, I don' t know. I- do not agree
or disagree with you or some . of the concepts and that is the
purpose of what is the solution. . At present I am concerned when
the engineer indicated perhaps the legislature will not continue
to appropriate money every year opening Cedar Beach, and when' -,. they
stop. that then what happens to the whole '-inlet.
MRS . OLIVA: May 'I ask the .Bo_ard. ' You -.have listened very carefully
to, the petitioners, you have`,contacted the county engineer and`
listened very closely to' him. Why 'has not anyone gone down a o the
marine scientists who are -there every Isingle , day of the year, down
at Cedar Beach to ask them their opinion of what is going .on down
there as far as latoral drift ' is , they could tell you ,so much better
than just an engineer that .is 'coming out, perhaps once or twice a
year to do the dredging.
COUNCILMAN DRUM: I 'm .not going to- dicker with you. I. feel the
study should be made. Several people that have been natives
fifty or sixty years=
MRS. , OLIVA; But they' re not scientists.,- -sir.
COUNCILMAN DRUM: No, they aren' t, but they have seen the inlet
and certain locations that .never require dredging or very seldom
require dredging at certain locations in Peconic Bay, either Little
Peconic Bay. . You can take the,. for instance, Goose Creek Inlet,
which has been some time since .it was last dredged. We took.
soundings in it the other 'day, Mrs. Hataier was with us, and
they' re ten to. eleven-- feet .Because of its location in the Bay' you
do not get the wind, wave" and" current action. Now, - it -is khown
that if you go around. where the cou�aty park is at present, you
do not get the same amount. . I-' do •not profess to be an engineer
and• I say, let ' s put it in the hands of.. the experts and let the,
county--they were the ones. that came up with this, not 'the' idea,
but mentioned a jetty. _I, said, let•' s study all aspects, and that 's
why . I say We- call it- not a.,jetty study but a stabilization study.
MRS. OLIVA: And I think ,it' s safe to assume that the- Board will;
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give. it careful-- consideration, to this stabilization project as
it did. to the street ' lighting off Southold Town: Thank. you.
SUPERVISOR PELL: Mr. Homan:
MR. HOMAN: One more. thing, Bill. I really don' t want', to come.
to Town Board 'meetings .'and I ' m. not going to come to .them any'
more. Two or three years ago, Bill, we set a policy. when . I was
o'n the Board that whenever the senor n;tizPns asked for a .bus
trip they gave us a breakdown of the Pxpenses, because .we wanted
to make sure` that they weren't going to ,get into something 'that
was going to be prohibitive to too many people. , : I assume'that
they have given you a breakdown of their expenses , foreth`ese
various trips .`they've been ' on 'to date.
SUPERVISOR PELL: What do you mean?
MR. HOMAN: I. mean, have they got—are they into something where
it is going to cost everybody who gets on. the bus $10. 00. or
$15. 00" or .$20. 00 a head where they go, Milleridge or-Guerneys?
I know what a lunch costs at Guerneys and I know what ' it costs
at' the Milleridge Inn,- and I don' t know if there is a program,
going on..
SUPERVISOR PELL:" They haven' t given us a'-breakdown.
MR. HOMAN: But in the past".we had commented on several programs
that they had that were very expensive. That 's number one.
Number two, the other thing that we asked them to do, and I 'm
sure that they' re. doing it, perhaps you could check on iti was
to make sure .that whenever they planned` a trip that they advertised
it well enough so it was available to other people as well -as
their own group. And' just a question; if they ask for a bus to
say. 21 or the- Four Seasons--is .that':going to go, through?
SUPERVISOR PELL Mr. - 'Samuel Markel had your hand up.'
MR. SAMUEL' MARKEL: When you talk about that subject, that''happens
to be a subject that I'm pretty interested myself.. . , I think that
is really the taxpayers are paying for a certain segment of the
population to enjoy bus trips and other things.. I ' would like to
know whether any other group, whether or not senior citizens and,/
or youth can use the senior citizens' hall- as- we :call it down- -
there on Peconic Lane at any specific. time? For instance, -I
belong to the Greoj2port M n' s Cluh and a lot of 'the members 'of
the Greenport Men' s Club are Southold residents and we. :pay rent .
for the use of Mechanic' s Hall in Greenport which you' re familiar
with,, 'and perhaps. we could arrange for the Town of Southold to
use the senior citizen center for our little get togethers weekly
and eliminate our having to pay rent when everybody else gets the
benefit of the senior citizens center and.-I don' t see why not
because . it is for all the taxpayers of the Town of Southold.- . . ,I
would like to know where -and-when I can make applications to use
the facilities ,.
SUPERVISOR ,PELL: Make your request to my office and it will be
reviewed. _ We ha-ve let .many civic organizations use that. You .
name them. Mr. Dean had the chart today. It' s booked practically
and in' use practically every day.
MR. - MARKEL: We' re a very philanthropic organization.
SUPERVISOR PELL:. It ks. -used by .many civic- organizations..
COUNCILMAN, DRUM: We' d like to have you.
SUPERVISOR PELL: " Anybody else wish to ,address, the Board? Yes, sir.
MR. KEN DEIM: I am county chairman for the .Ri ght to 'Li fe_ 'Party '
I 'm here at the request of Mrs.. Kaelin and I.'m here to request
this, council, this Town Board to support the two resolutions .that '
she is going to put forth. On. the call fora constitutional
convention` for purposes of passing a human life amendment, I ' d
like to put aside your- fears of a runaway convention: ._. Professor
Henry Black from Harvard University,. who . is not- . for a human-life
amendment convention has clearly stated that: if it is,c' alled for
more_. than one issue, the convention itself -isinull and void. Our
forefathers, in putting together the constitution, dial this, as 'a
means to .the people, for us to speak-, so the way that we can amend
the United States Constitution. It wasn' t meant, the constitution
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was not meant to leave solely ,in the hands of congress and that's
the only place for it to be. Abraham Lincoln stated-that, probably
the fairest and the best way to the average person to have a say
in the political process is. through- a call for a constitutional
convention. There have been over 400 attempts'. at such a call.
Not one has ever been successful. Correction, there was one.
The closest we came was. in the ,early. part of this century when
there was a call for a -constitutional convention for the purposes
of having a United States. Senator elected to office.. When congress
saw that they were getting dangerously close, as ;they viewed it,
because they did not want the people to have the final say, they
turned and they passed a law, an amendment , to have the United
States Senators elected every six years rather than being appointed.
Given,that background on the con-con, so called 'con-con,' there are
little or no dangers to it. Should, for example, 34 states call,
and by the way _there are now 26 states that have issued the call,
the call would then go through a long process of three years of
deliberating; negotiating 'and coming out with an amendment which
then must be ratified by 38 states.. If by some--and lets, give it
a hypothetical situation, if we possibly can, --that they elected
to throw out the Bill of Rights. Should 38 states ratify such an
amendment, ' I would say that ' s the will of the American people. God
forbid it would happen. As far as medicaid funding goes, New York
State is one of. 11 states .that ,are still .funding medicaid funded
abortions. The cost to the state is approximately thirty million
dollars, a year. That affects Southold, that affects my Township
of Brookhaven, that affects everybody. The misnomer that medicaid
funded abortions are strictly for the poor people who come in, who
cannot afford them, is .just. that, a misnomer. New. York does not
have a residency law. All a 'person has to . do' is cross .the border,
move into the state, .into a motel. room, anl .file for.." medicaid .and
be immediately. approved and :they, can have their funded abortion.
That bi-ll now is being carried by .Senator Donovan and if -I 'in not
mistaken, I 'll know for sure .tomorrow,, it will be Assemblyman
Howard from the house side. As far as the fears,,. gentlemen, of
this whole .thing of why at a Town level, who are we on Town level
of government to stand up and '.tell;the government,'what to do, or
direct them. Well, it seems to me that when this.`country was
founded, , it was for the people and by the people. and direction was
meant for us to 'give to the government as to. wh at we want, not for
the government- .to give us 2.s to what they_want I urge you, . please,
support those• resolutions. ,' . We need your help. If we had more
help o.f more townships last year `we would have passed it in. the
State of New York. Thank you:
SUPERVISOR PELL: Anybody else wish to address the Town Board?
Before I ask for a .motion to adjourn, I would like to pass
on a bit of information--advice .I received approximately- two years '
ago," from a man who used to sit " in this chair, the office that I
now hold. - I questioned him one day on something and .his advice
to me was,' "Young fellow, if the, shoe fits you wear it, if .it don't
fit you don't worry about it"
I move to adjourn.
On motion of Supervisor Pell,, seconded by Councilman Murphy, it was
RESOLVED' that there being no- further business to come before this
Town Board- meeting adjournment be called at 5:05 P:M.
Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilman._ ,Murphy, Councilman
Murdock, Councilman Nickles, Councilman Drum, Supervisor Pell.
This resolution was. declared duly. adopted.
Judith T. Terry .
Southold Town Clerk