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SOUTHOLD TOWN BOARD
FISHERS ISLAND
AUGUST 17, 1983
WORK SESSION
10: 00 A.M. - The Board reviewed agenda and off agenda items.
A Regular Meeting of the Southold Town Board was held on
Wednesday, August 17, 1983 at the Fishers Island School , Fishers
Island, New York. . Supervisor Pell opened the meeting at 1:00 P.M.
with the Pledge of Allegiance to the Flag.
Present: Supervisor William R. Pell , III
Councilman Lawrence Murdock, Jr.
Councilman Francis J. Murphy
Councilman Joseph L. Townsend, Jr.
Justice Raymond W. Edwards
Deputy Town Clerk Elizabeth A. Neville
Town Attorney Robert W. Tasker
Absent : Councilman John J. Nickles
SUPERVISOR PELL: On behalf of the Southold Town Board I want to thank
you all for coming out to this meeting that we have once a year on
Fishers Island. We do have some official town business we have to
conduct then we will turn it over to the citizens of Fishers Island.
The first business we have to conduct is to set the date for the next
official Town Board Meeting which is recommended for August 23, 1983,
._at 3: 00 P.M. , . Tuesday, at the Southold Town Hall , Southold, New York.
Moved by Councilman Murdock, seconded by Councilman Townsend, it was
RESOLVED that the next Regular Meeting of the Southold Town Board
will be held at 3:00 P.M. , Tuesday, August 23, 1983 at the Southold
Town Hall, Main Road, Southold, New York.
Vote of the Board: . Ayes: Justice Edwards, Councilman Townsend,
Councilman Murphy, , Councilman Murdock,. Supervisor Pell.
This resolution was declared duly ADOPTED.
SUPERVISOR PELL: I ' d like to introduce, at this time, the members
of your Town Board. On my far right, Councilman Joseph Townsend,
then Councilman Larry. Murdock. To my immediate left Councilman
Frank Murphy, who serves as Deputy Supervisor of Southold Town when
I 'm out of town. Next to him, of course, is your own, Judge Edwards.
Next to him is Town Attorney Robert Tasker. To my immediate right ,
our Town Clerk is in Mexico this year so she could not be with us,
she sends her regrets. But her son is going to school there. He
started last year with, I think, the , Lions Exchange Program and he---
was in Mexico last year. He ' s going back again this year. So ' s she ' s
there �.getting him squared away for school. So for a replacement for
her, we had to have somebody come and take notes today and keep track
of the records, so I asked my staff to find somebody. They went to
the classified ads and they found us a Kelly girl. So we have with us
today our Deputy Town Clerk Mrs. Betty Neville. Betty. has been with
the town for 12 years. She' s served as deputy town clerk for a good
part of that time and doing a superb job. Betty we ' re glad to have
you with us. Under reports, all the councilmen on the board serve as
chairman of different committees. I would ask each one of them to
stand up and say a few words about the committees they serve on. Judge
Edwards who represents your island serves on all committees. No special
one, He' s a one man committee representing the whole island. So I 'm
going to leave him until last. I ' ll start from my extreme right again,
Mr. Townsend.
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COUNCILMAN TOWNSEND: Thank you, Bill. ' I 'm chairman of the Highway
Department Committee and the Wage and Policy Committee. I 'm a member
of most of the other committees. I foolishly got myself involved in
all these things when I did my initial enthusiasm. I 'm a first term
councilman.' It ' s been a very interesting couple of years. Most of the
committees including the. landfill and the zoning committees have been
very very active. We have one thing on the agenda today that came out
of recommendations from the landfill committee. But I ' ll let the heads
of those committees elaborate on them. Shall we introduce Larry? Larry
Murdock to my immediate left .
COUNCILMAN MURDOCK: Thank you, Joe. I am chairman of the landfill
committee. When I became chairman, Bill put that chairmanship in my
hands. I said "what does anybody around here know about landfills,
dumps, etc. ". It 's become unfortunately a very challenging position
as far as the town is concerned. Fishers Island is currently starting
to have a few problems with the DEC. One of our resolutions today will
deal with the Souther Company who is the engineering company trying to
solve the problems of your run-off into the basin. Ray Doyen, of course,
represents Fishers Island in FIDCO in dealing with the DEC and trying to
maintain your garbage and its' collection and handling. We on the
"mainland side" , even though we 're on an island, have a little bit more
direct supervision. The "watchbird" is watching us a lot more closely.
We will pass a resolution today dealing with some $612,000.00 in bonded
indebtedness for equipment that we need at the landfill. We need a
new bulldozer. We need a payloader. We 're going to install a building
for the depositing of grabage so that it doesn 't blow around and become
a problem. We have untold problems that the DEC is having us go to in
terms of capping the landfill. They talk about lining the landfill .
These are all very nice innocent little words until you find' out that
they are talking three million dollars to cap, $60,000.00 an acre to
line and you start adding up all the totals and you find out you are
talking eight, nine, ten million dollars, they become quite a series of
problems. I hope that they don 't land on us as hard on Fishers Island.
I can give you one number from working with the people in Shelter Island.
Shelter Island being larger of course than Fishers Island. But the one
recommendation that they had in terms of handling their garbage -would
have cost the town 750 a pound. Of course, being a little older, I cal
remember -when we didn't pay 750 a pound for the best groceries off the
shelf. Realistically, we really don ' t. pay much more than that today it
you figure in the cost . of potatoes or vegetables. We probably pay $1.10
a pound for our fresh vegetables and produce and it ' s going to cost--
Shelter • Island, if they follow the prescribed method, over $ . 75 a pound
. to handle their garbage. Fortunately, we' re not going to have that big
a problem in the Town of Southold, but it is severe. It is something
that we all have to work on. It ' s been a challenge to me when I started
and fortunately in the last two years our whole town board has gotten
involved and understands the problems. I 'm sure Ray .Doyen is now much
more involved than he ever was. I 'm sure the people on Fishers Island
are going to begin to understand the problems. While I 've been chairman
its now been a real pleasure that all of the board members cooperate. I
think that when you hear about the problems involving garbage and munici-
pal solid waste, honeywagons, septic sludge, all those problems have been
really gently handled by the town board. I think they 've done a great job
and I think the future holds well.
COUNCILMAN MURPHY: Thank you. My name is Frank Murphy. Again it ' s
my privilege to be over here. . This is my third year and it.' s most en'-
joyable. I do enjoy coming over here to see this part of Southold Town.
It is a definite part and I think all officials should know what 's going
over here as we should know. what ' s going on at the mainland so to speak.
What problems we were involved in, I would like to compliment your rep-
resentative• from Fishers Island here. Ray Edwards is most cooperative ,
very good working with the entire board and I feel we have an excellen
working relationship with him. Some of the things that the town is in-
volved in that deal with, that I 've been dealing with also, and deals
with Fishers Island is the clam program that we just started two years
ago and we just started it this year here, and also again the scallop
program. From the reports, it ' s doing very well and this is a very
important part of the life of. the mainland and the life of the people
on Fishers Island. Also, we.'ve been very active in the landfill and I
can assure you that the problems that we have in Southold or in Cutchogue
in the landfill that some of the solutions that we're coming up with that
they are. very inique and different. I think they will work out very well
for us and do an excellent job. I think there' s some that they ,can be
applied over here as the pressure mounts on this island too. So , that
as Larry said we don 't get into this tremendous cost. I enjoy working
with Ray. I enjoy coming here and whatever we could do really to help
you, we' d be very happy to. Again, thanks.
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JUSTICE EDWARDS: I ' ll keep it short because I know that a lot of people
out here have a lot of things to say. I just want to welcome the rest
of the town board to Fishers Island. And also say that this is Mr. Pell ' s
last visit here. He' s stepping down. I should probably expound on a
remark made the other night- He called me "curly" at a meeting Monday
night , but I think I ' d rather be a curly headed clam digger than a fish
monger from Greenport . Also, I want to thank the people on Fishers Island
that graciously donated their cars. today plus Gordon Ahman that took a
cruise around. . The people really enjoyed the trips and having the use of
the vehicles over here and I want to thank you very much.
SUPERVISOR PELL: Councilman Nickles cannot be with us today . He could
not make the trip. He informed us yesterday that he didn't think that he
could make it, but he wants to extend his best wishes for all of you from
him. And this is also his. last. year as representing the town board. He
is stepping down also. Moving on, in the agenda, we have communications,
three of them placed on file with the Town Clerk.
III .'COMMUNICATIONS
. 1. . The first one is to honor Southold Town by the Automobile Club
of America for two years of no pedistrian. fatalities in the , township.
Chief Winters last year went in and received the award. Chief , have a
good trip this year into White Plains to receive iF_
2. The next one is concerning Fisher' s Island priority on the
sewer district informing the township where the priority was. And there
is a resolution to appeal this later on.
. 3. The. third one is informing the town, inviting the town to send
representatives up to Albany on September 21st and 22ndon the water Font
revitalization meeting. The town will send somebody up there. There will
probably be two or three of us going up.
V. RESOLUTIONS
1. Moved by Councilman Murphy, seconded by Councilman Murdock,
WHEREAS, the New York State Legislature has recently passed the 1983
Rebuild New York State Infrastructure Bond Issue for presentation to the
voters on Election Day, November 8th; and --
WHEREAS, This Bond Issue proposal does not include either a regional
distribution or identified list. of projects. to be funded by this bond
issue if it is approved by the voters on November 8th; and - .
WHEREAS, Nassau and Suffolk Counties contribute 24.8% of all of the
gas taxes raised in the State of New York; and
WHEREAS, More than 21% of all of the gasoline sold in New York is sold
.in Nassau County and Suffolk County; and
WHEREAS, Nassau County and Suffolk County have 21.2% of the motor
vehicles registered in New York; and
WHEREAS, Nassau and Suffolk County residents have 17.2% of the motor
vehicle drivers '- licenses issued in the. State of New York; and
WHEREAS, Nassau and Suffolk Counties have 14. 8% of New_ York's
population; and
WHEREAS, .Nassau and -Suffolk Counties have been short-changed in the
past regarding the regional allocation of State highway funding; and
WHEREAS, Long Island will, not receive any funds from either the Intra-
state Construction or Intrastate Federal Funding categories because of
the absence of interstate highways on Long Island; and
WHEREAS, a recent survey conducted by State DOT has indicated that
37% of the State highways and a significant number of bridges are in
poor condition in Nassau and Suffolk Counties; and
WHEREAS, The County Executives of Nassau County and Suffolk County
_ have recently compiled a list of urgent highway projects, where
cumulative cost totals $412.59 million; now, therefore, be it
RESOLVED that the Southold Town Board wants to affirmatively support
the passage of the Bond Issue; and be it further
RESOLVED, that the Southold Town Board believes that for successful
passage of this Bond Issue by the voters, it is vital that a regional
allocation of funds and specific list of projects be set forth, and be
it further
RESOLVED, . that the Southold Town Board calls upon the- Governor and
Legislative Leaders of the Senate and Assembly to ensure that such a
regional allocation and identified list of projects is forthcoming
prior to Labor Day, 1983, preferably in a bill passed by the Legislature
and signed into law by the Governor; and be it further
RESOLVED, that the Governor and Legislative Leaders ensure that Nassau
and Suffolk Counties receive a fair and equitable distribution from this
Bond Issue commensurate with its gasoline tax effort and other criteria
previously set forth; and be it further
RESOLVED, that the Governor and Legislative Leaders ensure that the
Bond Issue proceeds are used to supplement and increase the allocation
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of "highway and bridge money" throughout New York State, and are not
used in lieu of funding for already State committed or planned highway,
bridge and other Infrastructure programs, construction or rehabilitation;
and be it further
RESOLVED, that unless a specific list of projects is forthcoming and
Long Island receives a fair and' eauitable share of the funding. .
commensurate with its gasoline tax effort and other criteria previously
set forth, that the Southold Town Board will oppose the' 1983 Re'biz'ild
New York State Infrastructure Bond Issue on November 8', 1983.
Vote of the Board: Ayes: Justice Edwards, Councilman Townsend,
Councilman Murphy, Councilman Murdock, Supervisor Pell.
This resolution was declared duly ADOPTED.
2. Moved by Councilman Townsend, seconded by Justice Edwards,
WHEREAS, the Towns and Villages of Suffolk County in no way
participate through Revenue Sharing in the sales tax revenue
paid to Suffolk County; now, therefore be it
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Tbwn of Southold' is opposed to
any increase in the' Suffolk County sales tax currently being proposed
by the Suffolk County Comptroller.
Vote of the Board: Ayes: � Justice Edwards, Councilman Townsend,
Councilman Murphy, Councilman Murdock, Supervisor Pell .
This resolution was declared duly adopted.
3. Moved by by Justice Edwards, seconded by CouncilmaA Townsend, it was
RESOLVED that Supervisor William R. Pell , III be and he hereby is
a4thorized and directed to execute a, lease' agreement between the .
East' Marion' Fire District and the Town of Southold for a parcel of
land located at the north side of New York State Route 25, East Marion,
New York, being the black-topped parking area in the. rear of the
firehouse together with the use of the black-top driveway affording
access thereto to Route 25, to be used as a public" parkina field for
the sum of $10. 00 for a term of five years beginning on September 1 ,
1983 and ending on September 1, 1988.
Vote of the. Board: Ayes: Justice Edwards, Councilman Townsend,
Councilman Murphy, Councilman Murdock, Supervisor Pell.
This resolution was declared duly ADOPTED.
4. Moved by Councilman Murdock, seconded by Justice Edwards.,. it was
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold. authorize
Henry Souther Engineering, Inc.. to appeal. the. FY. 1984. Draft roject
priority score assigned to the Fishers - Is an as ewa er acid ies
Project by the .State of New York Department ol Environmental
Conservation.
Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Justice Edwards, Councilman Townsend,
Councilman Murphy, Councilman Murdock, Supervisor Pell.
This resolution was declared duly ADOPTED.
5. Moved by Councilman Murphy, seconded by Councilman Townsend,
(a) WHEREAS, there has been introduced at this meeting of the Southold
Town Board 'a Local Law to amend the Southold Town Zoning Code ...which
reads as follows:
LOCAL LAW NO. 1983
A Local Law in relation to Area and Yard --
requirements of lots on Subdivision Maps
approved prior to May 20, 1983
BE IT ENACTED by the Town Board of the Town of Southold as follows:
Chapter 100 of the Southold Town Code (Zoning) is hereby amended as
follows:
I . Section 100-31 B(1) thereof is hereby amended; to read as follows:
(1) All lots shown on Major and Minor Subdivision maps which
were granted final approval by the Planning Board prior to
May 20, 1983.
II . This Local Law shall take effect immediately.
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NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED that the Town Clerk of the Town of
Southold be and she hereby is directed to transmit said proposed
Local Law to the Southold Town Planning Board and Suffolk County
Department of Planning for their recommendations and report .
Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Justice Edwards, Councilman Townsend,
Councilman Murphy, Councilman Murdock, Supervisor Pell.
This resolution was declared duly ADOPTED.
5. Moved by Councilman Murphy, seconded by Supervisor Pell ,
(b, ) WHEREAS, there has been introduced at this meeting of the Southold
Town Board a Local Law to amend the Southold Town Zoning Code which
reads as follows: LOCAL LAW NO. 1983.
A Local Law to provide for
relief from the bulk requirements
of the Zoning Code
BE IT ENACTED by the Town Board of the Town of Southold as follows:
I . Article I of Chapter 100 of the Southold Town Code (Zoning) is hereby
amended by adding a new section thereto to be section 100-31A to 'read
as follows:
Section 100-31A - Relief from Bulk and Parking Requirements
(1) Findings
(a) On May 16, 1983, the Town Board enacted Local Law No. 7
which increased the minimum area, width, depth and yard
requirements of lots located in the A Residential and
Agricultural Districts, as of its effective date of May 20,
1983.
(b) On August 9, 1983, the Town Board enacted Local Law.. No. 9,
1983, which excepted certain subdivision maps from the lot
area, width, depth and yard requirements specified in said _
Local Law No. 7, 1983.
(c) The Town Board has now ascertained that there exists many
owners of land who had expended time and money in the
preparation of subdivision maps conforming to the zoning
requirements in effect prior to May 20, 1983, but due to
circumstances beyond their control were unable to , have- such
subdivision maps approved by the Planning Board prior to
May 20, 1983.
(d) That the Town Board finds that in such instances, it would
be inequitable to require such land owners to conform to the
regairements established by -Local Law No. 7, 1983, and that
such owners should be given an opportunity to petition the
Town Board to request that the provisions of the Bulk and
Parking Schedule in effect prior to May 20, 1983 shall apply
to the subdivision described in said petition.
(2) Subdivision Maps Affected
The provisions of this Section shall apply to the following
subdivision maps:
(a) Minor subdivision maps for which an application for sketch
plan approval was filed with the Planning Board prior to
March 20, 1983.
(b) Major subdivision maps for which an application for sketch
plan approval was filed with the Planning Board prior to
January 1, 1983.
(3) Time of filing Petitions
Petitions for the relief provided for in this Section shall be filed
with the Town Clerk within six (6) months of the effective date of
this Local Law.
(4) Contents of Petition
The petition shall be verified by the owner of the property and
shall set forth such facts as the petitioner deems appropriate to
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indicate that the petitioner had filed an application for sketch plan
approval of the subdivision map involved;. that petitioner thereafter
diligently and in good faith prosecuted such application; that final
approval of said subdivision map was not granted by the Planning
Board prior to May 20, 1983, due to circumstances beyond the
control of the petitioner.
(5) Procedures
(a) Upon the receipt of a petition, the Town Board shall refer
the same to the Planning Board, and the Suffolk County
Planning Commission (if required by Article Xlll of the.
Suffolk County Charter) for their written recommendations.
(b) Upon receipt of the written recommendations of the aforesaid
planning agencies, ' the Town Board shall hold a public
hearing on said petition upon not less than ten (10) days'
written notice published in the official town newspapers.
(c) After such hearing, the Town Board shall take such action on
such petition as it deems appropriate.
(6) Fees
Ever..y petition for relief provided for in this Section shall be filed
with.-:.'the Town Clerk and shall be accompanied by a fee of one
hundred ($100.) dollars.
This Local Law shall take effect immediately.
NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED that the Town Clerk of the Town of
Southold be and she hereby is directed to transmit said proposed
Local Law to the Southold Town Planning Board and Suffolk County
Department of Planning for their recommendations and report .
Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Justice Edwards, Councilman Townsend,
Councilman Murphy, Councilman Murdock, Supervisor Pell.This resolution was declared duly ADOPTED.
6. Moved by Councilman Murphy, seconded by Councilman Murdoch,.
(a. )
BOND RESOLUTION OF THE TOWN OF SOUTHOLD,
NEW YORK, ADOPTED AUGUST 17, 1983
BOND RESOLUTION OF THE TOWN OF SOUTHOLD, NEW YORK,
ADOPTED AUGUST 17, 1983, AUTHORIZING, AS A PART OF
THE ORIGINAL IMPROVEMENT OF THE TOWN LANDFILL SITE
IN SOUTHOLD, IN SAID TOWN, (A) ACQUISITION OF A
BULLDOZER, TWO USED FRONT END PAYLOADERS AND TRASH
COMPACTION EQUIPMENT AT AN ESTIMATED TOTAL COST OF
$445, 000; (B) TRADE-IN OF THE D-6 BULLDOZER OF THE
TOWN AND APPLICATION OF THE $8, 000 TRADE-IN VALUE
TOWARDS THE COST OF SUCH PAYLOADERS; AND (C) PURCHASE
AND CONSTRUCTION OF A STEEL BUILDING TO BE USED FOR
RECYCLING AND RECEPTION OF SOLID WASTE AT AN ESTIMATED
MAXIMUM COST OF $175, 000; APPROPRIATING SAID AMOUNTS
THEREFOR, RESPECTIVELY, LESS SAID TRADE-IN VALUE,
STATING THE ESTIMATED TOTAL COST THEREOF, INCLUDING
SAID TRADE-IN VALUE, IS $620,000, AUTHORIZING THE ISSUANCE OF
SERIAL BONDS IN THE AGGREGATE PRINCIPAL AMOUNT OF
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$612, 000 TO FINANCE THE BALANCE OF SAID APPROPRIATIONS,
STATING THAT THE TOWN EXPECTS TO RECEIVE FEDERAL FUNDS
IN THE AGGREGATE AMOUNT OF $84, 525 AND AUTHORIZING THE
EXPENDITURE OF SUCH FUNDS TOWARDS THE COSTS OF SUCH
MACHINERY AND EQUIPMENT AND THE CONSTRUCTION OF SUCH ,
BUILDING OR THE PAYMENT OF ANY BONDS OR NOTES ISSUED
THEREFOR OR TO BE BUDGETED AS AN OFFSET TO THE TAXES
TO PAY PRINCIPAL AND/OR INTEREST ON SUCH BONDS OR NOTES.
RESOLVED BY THE TOWN BOARD OF THE TOWN OF SOUT HOLD, IN
THE COUNTY OF SUFFOLK, NEW YORK (by the favorable vote of not less
than two-thirds of all the members of said Board) , AS FOLLOWS;
Section 1. The Town of Southold, (.the "Town") , in the
County of Suffolk, New York, is hereby authorized, as a part of
the original improvement "of the Town landfill site in Southold, in
the Town, (A) to acquire (i) a bulldozer at an estimated maximum
cost of $136 , 000, (ii) a used 4 1/4 yard front-end payloader at an
estimated maximum cost of $150, 000 and a used 1 1/2 yard front-end
payloader at an estimated maximum cost of $29, 000, and (iii) trash
compaction equipment at an estimated maximum cost of $130, 000; (B)
to trade in the D-6 bulldozer presently owned by the Town and apply
the trade-in value of $8, 000 towards the cost of such front-end
_payloaders and (C) to purchase and construct on said landfill site,
a steel building to be used for recycling and reception of solid waste, at an
estimated maximtun cost of $175,000, and the said amounts are hereby appropriated
therefor, respectively, less said trade-in value. The estimated
total cost of all of the items of such specific object or purpose,
including said trade-in value and preliminary costs and costs
incidental thereto and the financing thereof, is $620, 000. Serial
bonds in the aggregate principal amount of $612,000 are hereby authorized to be
issued pursuant to the Local Finance Law, constituting Chapter 33-a of the Consoli-
dated Laws of the State of New York (the "Law") , to finance the balance of said
appropriations after deducting said trade-in value. The Town expects
to receive Federal Community Development Funds in the amount of
$30, 525 and Federal Jobs Bill Funds in the amount of $54, 000 and
such moneys, when received, are hereby authorized to be expended
towards the costs of such pay loader and construction of such building
respectively, or the payment of the principal and/or interest on said
bonds or any notes issued in anticipation of the sale of such bonds
or to be budgeted as an offset to the taxes to be levied to pay such
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principal and/or interest. The plan of financing includes the issuance of. said
serial bonds, the expenditure of said Federal Funds and the levy and collection of
taxes on all the taxable real property in the Town to pay the principal of said
bonds and the interest thereon or any notes in anticipation of the sale of such
bonds as the same shall become due and payable.
Section 2. The following additional matters are hereby determined
and declared.
(a) 711e period of probable usefulness of the specific object or
purpose for which said $612,000 serial bonds authorized pursuant to Section 1
hereof are to be issued, within the limitations of Section 11.00 a. 6-a of the .
Law, is twenty (20) years, but the maturity of said bonds shall not exceed five
(5). years.
(b) Current funds are not required by the Law to be provided as
a down paymentprior to the issuance of the serial bonds
herein authorized to be issued, or any bond anticipation notes
issued in anticipation of the sale of said bonds , pursuant to the
provisions of Section 107 .00 d. 4 of the Law.
Section 4 . Each of the bonds authorized to be issued
pursuant to this resolution, and of any bond anticipation notes
issued in anticipation of the sale of said bonds, shall contain-
the recital of validity prescribed by Section 52.00 of the Law
and said bonds and any notes issued in anticipation of the sale
of said bonds , shall be general obligations of the Town, payable
as to both principal and interest by a general tax upon all the
taxable real property within the .Town, without limitation of rate
or amount. The faith and credit of the Town are hereby
irrevocably pledged to the punctual payment of the principal of
and interest on said bonds and provision shall be made annually
in the budget of the Town by appropriation for (a) the
amortization and redemption of the bonds to mature in such year
and (b) the payment of interest to be due and payable in such
year.
Section 5. Subject to the provisions of this resolution and
of the Law, and pursuant to the provisions of Section 30.00
relative to the authorization of bond anticipation notes and of
Section 50.00 and Sections 56.00 to 60.00 of the Law, the powers
and duties of the Town Board relative to authorizing bond
anticipation notes and prescribing the terms, form and contents
and as to the sale and issuance of the bonds herein authorized to
be issued and of any bond anticipation notes issued in
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anticipation of the sale of said bonds, or the renewals thereof,
are hereby delegated to the Supervisor, the chief fiscal officer
of the Town.
Section 6. The validity of the bonds authorized pursuant to
this resolution, and of any notes issued in anticipation of the
sale of said bonds , may be contested only if:
(a) such obligations are authorized for an object or
purpose for which . the Town is not -authorized to expend
money, or
(b) the provisions of law which should be complied with
at the date of publication of such resolution, are not
substantially complied with, and an action, suit or
proceeding contesting such validity, is commenced within
twenty days after the date of such publication, or
(c) such obligations are authorized in violation of the
provisions of the constitution.
Section 7 . This resolution shall take effect immediately.
Vote of the Town Board: Ayes : Justice Edwards, Councilman Townsend,
Councilman Murphy, Councilman Murdock, Supervisor Pell .
This resolution was declared duly ADOPTED.
Moved by Justice Edwards, .seconded by Councilman Murdock, it was
6. RESOLVED by the Town Board of the Town' of Southold, in the County
'(b. ) of Suffolk, New York, as follows: . . . . .
Section 1., The Town' Clerk is hereby directed to publish the
foreaoina bond resolution, in full , in the"Suffolk Times" and the
Long Island Traveler -Mattituck Watchman, newspapers published in
the Town of Southold, New York, and having a general circulation
in said Town, and hereby designated as the official newspapers of
the Town for such publication, together with the Town Clerk' s statu-
tory notice substantially in the form as prescribed by .Section 81. 00
of the Local Finance Law of the State of New York.
Section 2. This resolution shall take effect immediately.
Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Justice Edwards, Councilman Townsend,
Councilman Murphy, Councilman Murdock, Supervisor Pell.
This resolution was declared duly ADOPTED.
SUPERVISOR PELL: What I. would like to do at this time is to introduce
some of the people that we have with us and ask some of them to say a
few words. We have a portable. mike that will be passed around so that
when those of you who speak, everybody can hear you. First , I 'd like
to introduce and make apologies for your Superintendent. of Highways.
He cannot be with us today. He is in the Town of Babylon giving a report
to Babylon Town Board from all ten towns on officials up there. Mr. Dean
cannot be with us, he sent his Deputy Mr. Ray Jacobs. Ray, where are you?
I 'm sure they have some questions for you, Raymond. We have from our
Building Department here, our Administrator, Victor Lessard. Victor,
. stand up please. Where' s Victor? Victor is in a meeting with the
Planning Board in one of the rooms outside here. Tax Assessors, we have
here with us the Chairman, Henry Moisa. Back there with him is two
Assessors, Mr. Fred Gordon and Assessor Charlie Watts. Those are the
three tax assessors. The next man I am going to ask to say a few words
is our Chief of Police, Chief Dan Winters.
CHIEF WINTERS: Thank you very much Mr. Pell . I am Dan Winters, your
Chief of Police and I am happy to be here. I look forward to coming
here. It ' s a beautiful day. It ' s nice to see you folks. If you have
any questions that I am capable of answering, I ' ll be glad to help you.
I don 't know of any big problems here as far as the police are concerned.
No questions?
SUPERVISOR PELL: We ' ll get to them later Dan. There' ll be some.
With Dan, sitting at his right , we had storeaway aboard the boat today.
We always have one every year. . One person has to storeaway. We have
one this year. Many people have to call up' the police house and say
I ' d like to know specifics on an accident or what happened to an acci-
dent and there' s always one lady that looks it up. This is the first
time she' s ever been to the Island. She ' s been doing this job for. . .
how many years?
MRS. KLIPP: Six
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CHIEF WINTERS: Forty-seven.
SUPERVISOR PELL: I ' d just like her to stand up and take a bow, our
storeaway today, Mrs. Joyce Klipp, who works in the Police House.
From Town Trustees we have with us, Paul Stoutenburgh, Chairman of
the Town Trustees. Right in back. Paul who is here with you? Any
of your other Trustees?
MR. STOUTENBURGH: Henry Smith. Where ' s Henry. There ' s Henry. Two
Trustees showed up out of five today. Our Town Justice with us, we
have with us Judge Fred Tedeschi. Where are you Fred? Way in the back
in the room?
JUSTICE EDWARDS: With a Fishers Island tie on also.
SUPERVISOR PELL: Fred, stand up again please. I want you to take a
good look at his tie. See the tie he has on here, you people?
JUSTICE TEDESCHI : It cost me $12. 00. Larry has one too.
COUNCILMAN MURDOCK: Fred, you should have a friend from Fishers
Island. Mine was a gift from the Judge.
SUPERVISOR PELL: The next man I am going to ask to say a few words.
He' s on the staff in town hall . He does a lot of work for community
development , HUD program, federal revenue sharing. His name is James
McMahon. The projects on Fishers Island, some of them, such as the
black-top of the basketball court goes through his office. He is the
one here that handles that type of money for us under the direction of
the town board.
MR. MC MAHON: Like the rest of the town board and I am sure anybody here,
I would love to set up a branch office here on Fishers Island and make
this here my headquarters. It 's a pleasure coming over here and we met
this morning and talked about some of the projects that are possible here
on Fishers Island. We're looking forward to doing some more things in
the future. --
SUPERVISOR PELL: ' Thank you, Jim. We have our Planning Board here.
They' re in a meeting, I believe, in one of the rooms. I don 't see them
in here. Henry Raynor. Our Zoning Board of Appeals is also using
some other room here to have a meeting or they ' re out doing in inspection.
Next , I 'd like to introduce, I 'm going to say a good friend of mine, has
helped Southold Town whenever I called upon him. A guy I think a heck
of a lot of. We talk back and forth, we fight among ourselves, but when-
ever I asked him for help on behalf of Southold Town this gentleman has
never, never let Southold Town down. Congressman Bill Carney. Bill come
on up front , please.
CONGRESSMAN CARNEY: Thank you very much. I 'm very pleased to have the
opportunity to be here today. I will be here after the conclusion of
the town board meeting for any type of problems that constituent here
on the Island might have in relation to federal government . I can ' t
promise that we can solve all of the problems. But , we certainly will
try to do the best we can, once we're made aware of them. Again, I 'm
pleased to be here and will be here for the remainder of the day. We
have people from my staff here to take any information that we can
your behalf. Thank you very much.
SUPERVISOR PELL: We ' ll come back again to our local level again , the
state. We' re going to leave the federals alone and pick on our state
officials. From the senate, another good friend of Southold Town, who
worked very hard on a project on Fishers Island but did not get it
through, no fault of his, the effort the gentleman put in. Senator
Ken LaValle. Ken, come on up and say a few words.
SENATOR LA VALLE: I would like to say that as part of the First
Senatorial District , I always like to think that peace and tranquility
always seems to reign here on Fishers Island. Maybe that ' s because
government is not too overly involved in what `you do here. I meet with
your school superintendent , Bill Haas, we chat on the phone to deal with
school matters. And of course, we have passed over the years a number
of bills for Fishers Island that have been requested. I 'll be here
after the meeting, if you have any specific questions or requests on
state matters.
SUPERVISOR PELL: Thank you Ken. Next we have a local boy from Southold
Town, Assemblyman Joe Sawicki, Jr. I say Jr. because his father is here
on the Board of Appeals and I have to keep them straight .
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ASSEMBLYMAN SAWICKI : Thank you Bill. It ' s nice to be here. Ladies
and gentlemen my first term as your assemblyman, it ' s not the first
time I 've been to Fishers Island because as my previous position as
the Deputy County Comptroller, I 've been here several times earlier .
But , you're probably used to having a guy by the name of John Behan
being your assemblyman, and of course, before him, Perry Duryea. This
marks the first year we have Fishers Island part of the new assembly
district which is strictly from here all the way along the north fork
into Centereach. So I 'm delighted to be here. I 'm delighted to be a
Southold Town boy representing Southold Town in Albany and as with
Senator LaValle and Bill Carney, I ' ll be here later if I can help you
with any questions at all. Thank you.
SUPERVISOR PELL: I ' d just like to mention that I met last week with
Commissioner LaRocca , who is the Commissioner of DOT and I had a
very. fruitful meeting with him. He was invited to come today and
him and Sam Ippiiito. Both of them could not make it , but they sent
two gentlemen to represent them, Peter Pomeranz and James Harris. Do
either one of you want to say anything? Any problem with DOT, we
have two people here. Southold Town did call on Commissioner LaRocca.
We had a bad accident in Southold Town where two people were killed
when a truck went below a railroad bridge. We did go to DOT and ask
them to put warning lights up, change the signs around. Within ten
days we have a commitment from DOT to do exactly what the Town asked
them to do. And with 30 to 40 days, it was done. And for government
to move that fast , Commissioner LaRocca deserves a -lot of thanks on
behalf of Southold Town. Will you pass that onto him please, gentlemen?
From Department of Health, County, we have Dr. Harris here and three
people and we will ask Dr. Harris to introduce the people with him and
say a few words. This is another good friend of Southold Town' s.
DR. DAVID HARRIS, COMMISSIONER, S.C. DEPT. OF HEALTH SERVICES: Thank
you Bill. Of course, I am equally delighted as the others said "I 'm
happy to be here. " From what I can see with a practiced eye, the people
of Fishers Island have never looked healthier. Commissioners of Health
. don' t travel alone. I brought with us our Supervisor of Nursing, Mrs.
Sandy Carley, our Principal of Engineering Bob Villa, many of you here
know Bob. Director of Emergency Medical Services, Bob Dietrickson is
here. And Joe Sanzone .who is the head of our vector control program.
I..'m sure you love him in the summer. Ladies and gentlemen, I not only
bring a staff, I bring an offer to meet with you after the meeting to
bring up any health problem that you have. We have some. good news for
you because the second allotment of emergency medical advance life
support equipment will be. here in August. I know many of you depend on
-the emergency medical services. It ' s completely equipped.
SUPERVISOR PELL. Next , I 'm going to ask a gentleman to come up, he ' s
a man from DEC, Mr. Harold Berger, who I have met for the first time on
the boat today. My introduction says "don ' t stand too close to the edge
on the way home" , after I got the letter yesterday. Harold, go ahead.
MR. HAROLD BERGER, N.Y.S. D.E.C. : Thank you very much for inviting me.
Like everybody else, I ' d like to have a weekend. But , I want to say
right now, I 'm leaving right after the meeting. Just to tell you a
little . . . I don ' t offer any apologies or defenses, but I 'm new on the
job, so take it easy on me. As many of you know, recently the state
recently passed a very important landfill bill. It ' s a bill that we
supported for many years, the DEC has, and we feel it is quite important
to the Island, all of the Island. If it has created many problems for
many of the towns and Southold is one of them. But I ' d like to say that
we ' ve tried to make a number of changes. One of them is that we' re not
going to ask that the Town do .certain things and then walk away from
them. We ' re going to try to help and participate and offer any solutions
that the State can possibly offer . There' s not a lot of money around.
All of you know that . But we have some expertise around at Stony Brook
and Albany. Whenever the Town of Southold or any of the other smaller
areas are interested that information and time is available for you.
The problem of landfills is something that I have lived with for the
three months that I have been in the office . But we feel strictly strong
about it . If we- do get a little tough, as Jim Heil was in this letter
to the Supervisor, it ' s- because we feel very strongly that it ' s important
that we handle our landfills properly. I know that the concerns of the
towns are not for masking these strict requirements, but that it cost so
much to do. We understand that_ We are ready to sit down with you and
talk about it and see what ever can. be done. Sometimes there ar_e, alter-
nates, other procedures; that, can be taken . We do understand:ttie problems.
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But it is something that we feel is essential . I think all of you are
concerned with the drinking water of Long Island and know that it is
important . So, understand that one of the things that I ' ve learned
right away when I came into office, people, environmentalists dislike
us , developers dislike us, so I say to myself "we must be doing a good
job . " By enforcing the regulations and doing what is necessary I think
in the long run you all will be very happy for it . If you have' any
questions, I have the answers, I ' ll give them to you now. If I haven' t
got the answers, I ' ll get them for you. Thank you very much.
SUPERVISOR PELL: Thank you Mr . Berger. We just passed a $600, 000. 00
bond note . We' d love to sit down and talk to you next week. I ' ll
make a date and see how much you' re going to walk away from us. We
are working to abide by your request letter . State Police, I ' ve got
to tell something here, if I can. Judge Edwards was in the town hall,
I ' ll say a week, two weeks, three weeks ago, I don ' t know when it was.
He had a couple of people with him. I don ' t know who they. were . He
introduced me and he went on about his business and they stayed -
and-talked a minute or two. We got talking about the Island and what not .
the fatality you. had here this past spring and just general talk. They
brought up a fact that really stuck with me . They said "you know, the
state police this year are really good boys, they are working, .they are
holding the traffic down, they are giving tickets out , they are not turn-
ing their heads . " This came from two residents and I don ' t know who they
were, who he had with him that day. But it came clearly from them that
they are pleased and extra proud of the productivity that the officers
that are on Fishers Island this year are doing. So Lieutenant, that 's
how the people of the Island feel about your boys here. We' d like to
have you come up and say a few words . Lieutenant Carlson .
LIEUTENANT CARLSON: Thank you. Like the others here, it certainly is
a pleasure to be out here . On behalf of my boss , Major Shalvey, he
asked me to extend his greetings to you and his desire that the state
police be represented here on Fishers Island for many years to come.
I ' ve been in touch with Andy and Hughie throughout the summer. They
told me that the operation here has ruri very well, as it has in the past .
Andy asked me to .point out that the cooperation he has received from the
constables has been excellent as always and that ' s a point that should
made . Like the other speakers, I ' ll be here for the rest of the after.
and any questions that pertain to the state police, I ' ll be more than
happy to answer .
SUPERVISOR PELL: Can we have them here year round? Moving right on. .
Lieutenant , thank you very much. The Department of Public Works, Mr.
- Bart Cass in back and you have your chief deputy with you, Mr. Weber.
Mr. Cass, Mr. Weber please stand so that people know who you are. Any
questions? Zero in on them folks after . Every time I come to Fishers
Island I 'm allowed a boo boo. Last year when I introduced everybody I
forgot to introduce the Town Clerk. This year I ' ve done the same thing.
It wasn ' t her, I forgot to introduce the Receiver of Taxes , George Mellas .
George I apologize . Where are you? Way in the back. I 'm sorry George.
But he ' s with us and I 'm glad to have you here. Moving right along. . .
to the Board of Elections we have Commissioner McNabb, from the other
side we have Peter DeNigris. Pete where are you? Both sides are repres-
ented here.
COMMISSIONER MC NABB: Bill , may I say that we have mail-in registration
forms for anyone who would care to register or would like an absentee
ballot . We have some people here that will be glad to take care of you.
SUPERVISOR PELL: Can you hear that people? If you want registration
forms or absentees, they will be available here today, after we get
done, see either gentleman or their staff. Vector Control I have next
Dr. Harris, but you introduced them already. Where is he again? Do
you know vector control people? -Mosquitoes? I told him where I lived_
last year, thinking they would come down this spring, I haven' t seen
them yet . Do you know where I live? I ' ll tell you. Didn ' t you give
fog over here or something last year? People requested? What did we
do over here, what did we do on the Island last year?-
MR. JOSEPH SANZONE : We have a fog machine that we are working in con-
junction with Southold Town and it is available on a request basis .
SUPERVISOR PELL: O. K. thanks. Southold Town Fire Chiefs Council is
represented today by Peter Nathanson. Pete, where are you? Way in back.
o.-and up Pete . He' s president of the Fire Chiefs Council in Southold
Town . You meet , what?, once every -other month? To discuss the problems
of safety 'and if they have a request , they come before the town board
with it . 1)eDartment of Civil Service, we have with us here today, Morton
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Stark. Mort where are you? . Her6ls a gentleman who I met three years
ago when I first became Supervisor, four years, this is my fourth year.
I ' ve lost track. I went to him one day and I said "I need help, need to
understand the civil service regs" and I have been on that man"s doorstep
ever since and he always has been helpful throughout the three and a half
years . Thank you Mort . Real Property Tax Service, John Alacka. John,
who works for Mr. Ryan, can ' t be with us today. Audit and Control and
I need not introduce him, he ' s been here practically every year. Joseph
Caputo . Joe, would you like to say a few words? I didn' t call on you
last year, so I ' ll get you this year.
COUNCILMAN TOWNSEND:Ask him about the sales tax.
COUNCILMAN MURPHY: Tell us the good news.
COMPTROLLER CAPUTO: Well, the good news and the one smart thing I ' ve
done since I ' ve come to Long Island is that I married my wife Claire, and
the Town Board is courteous enough to allow the boat , or, you wouldn ' t be
. out here on Fishers Island. Regarding the .sales tax, I 'm the villain who
proposed it . There is a recommendation in there, though, to share that
wealth. We have about 300, 000 children in all of Suffolk County who go
to school or who are going to go to school. I recommended that $50. 00
per capita, per child, be taken from that sales tax and given to each
school district . Which would mean that fifteen million dollars would be
shared, as a revenue sharing idea, with the school district . However, I
realize your not wanting it to be approved and I ' ll try to explain that
at a later time, if I get the opportunity. Thanks again, for having us .
SUPERVISOR: He didn' t tell you the rest of the story about his wife,
I will because I 'm proud of it . Joe has very good taste when he selected
his wife . Joe ' s father-in-law is our Town Attorney. Joe you have good
taste . A local Greenport girl . Moving right along. . . Community Develop-
ment which Jim McMahon spoke on before, we have a problem with it , in at
times we like to do things, we don' t meet the regs, the project we want
to do does not fit in the income tax bracket of the census. A lot of
times we have to try to find ways around or explain more clearly to the
people who have the decision to say yes or no on different projects. I
asked them to help us . Like we are doing today on projects we would
consider from Fishers Island. Community Development from the county is
represented today here by Susan Eindesheim. Susan, would you like to say
anything?
SUSAN EINDESHEIM: This is my first time on Fishers Island and I hope it
is not the last . I -started working with Jim McMahon of the Town on behalf
of the Island.
SUPERVISOR PELL: Susan was given a tour today of the Island especially
so she could see the difference of the make-up of the Island and try not
to blanket the whole Island in one census tract . There are projects that
Judge Edwards brings up and would like to get through, but we have to have
an approval by the county. Susan is here to look at some of them today .
We always have a D.A . around somewhere . Today we have with us Detective
Frank Fusco . Frank, where are you? Frank has been with us for many years
It ' s not his first trip here. Department of Consumer Affairs is represent
today by two people. One of them is a former Supervisor of East Hampton
Township and a dear friend of anybody that served in the spot that I -serve
in, Supervisor and now Deputy County Consumer -Affairs, Mary Fallon . Mary
stand up please . With her she has a Southold Town resident who lives in
Southold, John Lademann . Also, with us we have today from the office of
Emergency Preparedness, two gentlemen, Mr. Bennett , where is he?
MR. DONALD TERRELL: Mr. Pell, Mr. Bennett was unable to be here today.
I represent two people really two groups Emergency Preparedness and the
Air Force Academy ROTC Program.
SUPERVISOR PELL: Thank you very much for being with us . Department of
Agriculture & Markets we have Mr. John Flanagan , John where are you?
JUSTICE EDWARDS : He ' s out on an inspection . '
SUPERVISOR PELL; He ' s out on an inspection . They have a job to do here
and said that they wouldn ' t be back by 1 : 00 P .M. Other people today, I
didn ' t introduce before, let me do it now. Our town engineer, two of
them we have with us, Jack Davis and P.E. Larry Tuthill . These are the
two men that serve the town on a part-time basis, as needed. They go
around and inspect the roads in new developments and look at a number of
other things . Mr. Tuthill did represent Fishers Island and Larry I am
going to ask you to say a little about the coastal zone change you did
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down here on the land. Do you want to speak on that? When you went to
Washington, D.C. for us. Larry has been to Washington, D.C . to represent
Southold Town three times, I think, and each time he came back a winner .
LAWRENCE TUTHILL, _ P.E. ; I have been representing Southold Town in reference
to the flood plain . Our major problem is that with the regulations that
have been put forth by the federal government have not taken into consider-
ation the north east areas of Southold Town which are well protected from
hurricane forces in general and they are under different conditions . And
because they normally don ' t , our conditions don ' t fit those which were
established by FEMA, we had several changes made in our flood plain maps .
We ' re reducing the heights and we have been successful several times . Th^
latest one that they have added to us is called wave height analysis. .W1
that , they 've had some hurricanes down in Alabama which wiped out many
buildings that were built according to flood plain regulations because
they forgot that th-ere was such a thing as a wave height . Our problems
here, normally in the north east here is that this doesn ' t - occur because
. we have what we call a "lag in the surge" so that when the hurricane
comes the wave action, the high tides usually come a little later and
at the same time the storm. This is not true here at Fishers Island
where you may have only an hour' s lag in the time that the hurricane
hits . But further up, in Southold Town, sometimes it takes about three
hours to get there .. The thing I 'm playing on right. now in reference to
flood plain is that I don' t like, with the weather reports, they' re
now saying that we have hurricane alerts for twenty-four hours. The
problems with studying hurricanes for our area is that when hurricanes
hit Cape Hatteras they change their speed. Normally they are travelling
at 15-20 miles an hour 8 miles the limit down in the Miami area. Every-
think is related to this, travelling at 15-20 miles an hour. But , when
they hit Cape Hatteras , for some phenomenal reason they take off and go.
The hurricane of 1938 was clocked at something like 60 miles an hour .
The hurricane of 1954 was up around 40 - 50 miles an hour and it takes
only about 6 hours in these cases from the time that the center is at
Cape Hatteras before we start having strong winds in this area. I would
like to alert the people in this area that this 24 hour period that they
are speaking of, we may not . We may only have a short time to prepare
for hurricanes. _
SUPERVISOR PELL: Thank you, Larry. Congressman, if he comes banging
at your door for help, you' ll know to help him.
CONGRESSMAN CARNEY: We talked about it already, Bill .
SUPERVISOR PELL: I 'm aware of it . Thank you very much. As I said : you' ve
never let Southold Town down yet . " That ' s the people we have to introduce
today. At this time I would the residents of Fishers Island, anything
they would like to ask the Town Board, anybody here, they can do it now
or they can do it after we adjourn and. during the refreshments which were
set up by the Civic Association again this year. Every year we come here
the Civic Association provides punch and cake for when we get done. They' v
done it again this year and we thank YOU. Anybody wish to address the
Town Board?
MR. JOHN CLAYTON: Resolution number 4. Would somebody explain that to
me?
SUPERVISOR PELL: Larry. . .
COUNCILMAN MURDOCK: Simply that . . . The agency that sets up the rating
from 1 to 100 decided where Fishers Island ' s importance was in relation
to all the projects before them at that given time . It was probably too
low to be funded. They may have 100 projects. We may have funds . avail-
able for 85 and Souther felt that the placement of the Fishers Island
project on that fist was much lower than necessary and asked us to appeal
in their behalf for them. As we did, passed a resolution saying that we
would like this reconsidered so that they are moved up . This happens
quite often. The Town of Southold on one of our projects, the sewerage
treatment plant , we were taken completely off the list where the year-
before we had been number 2 . They re-evaluated the list because somebody
complained that we were taken completely off the list for the .year. The
funding, of course, is the most important part . Souther would like to get
on with the project . If it ' s not funded, we won ' t get on with the project .
We had to try to appeal to get that list revised and Fishers Island moved
higher on the priority list .
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COUNCILMAN TOWNSEND: You might contact both Ken .or Joe about . your
priority on that list , also. It ' s something that we didn ' t have much
success on. As Larry mentioned, we were knocked down from our previous
high priority. It does mean a lot in terms of funding in that if you
stay at the level you' re at now, you lose your state funding, for at
least this year.
BOB HASKINS : When you say that you want to move that rating up, what
is the advantage of that? Are you looking for ways to spend money, or
what?
JUSTICE EDWARDS : Bill, I think you ought to explain the project . A lot
of people don' t know what it ' s all about .
SUPERVISOR PELL: All right . Judge Edwards will go back to score one
and explain the project and what it is. This is the sewer project down
here at the fort and it only involves the people that are living in the
fort area. I guess it. was DEC that came out 5 or 6 years ago and said
that you can no longer put your waste water out into the sound, as to
where it ' s going now. You' re going to have to control it . You' re going
to have to put in a treatment plant . Now, the treatment plant , the en-
gineering was done on it by a firm over in Connecticut . I believe the
funds, 85% of the funds I believe were going to be federal , covered by
federal . Then the federal government says no "you' re not top priority
now, we ' re going to put you down on the list . " So it just means that the
project itself is going to be offset a couple of years until the funds
come in or maybe the DEC people can explain as to whether or not they
are going to force the waste water district to go ahead. and have the
people themselves put up the money. But , it ' s a lot of cash.
SUPERVISOR PELL: Mr. Berger , this is your baby, come on up here .
MR. BERGER: This question of where it stands on the list is something
that has been bothering us and there have been changes made.. So, your
appeal is worth the problems. There have been many problems with the
funds that the federal government and the state has offered. I believe
the figure is $438, 000. 00 of which 857o would be funded by the- federal.
government and 727o by the state and the balance by the town. Now, the
problem is where do you stand on that particular list . If that position
changes or the amount of funds decrease or increase . For the year of
1984, the funds are very small.
SUPERVISOR PELL: The Town Attorney wants to address it too.
ROBERT W. TASKER, TOWN ATTORNEY: I would like to make one correction.
When the Fishers ;_Island Sewer District was created the local share, which
you say is to be paid by the town, is not quite correct . We have an
agreement with FIDCO which is familiar to everyone here on the Island
that the so called "local share" is paid by them. Not one penny is coming
from the taxpayers of Fishers Island or the Town of Southold . If, in fact ,
what we have done is created a sort of conditional district . Conditined
that 85% will be paid by the federal government , 727o will be paid by the
state government , and the remaineder will be paid by FIDCO. If in fact,
that does not happen, we dissolve the district . And that was the way in
which it was created. Now, if it comes to pass that all of the state and
county funding which is anticipated does not occur, I think, then that the
option is up to FIDCO whether or not they want to proceed and pick up
additional shares. Right now, we are at the point where, as indicated,
you ' re on the priority list . Apparently, they do ' not have enough funds,
the state and federal , to fund the projects that are pending before them.
So, what they do is prepare a priority list . You get certain points for
certain aspects of your project in relationship to all of the others .
The top rated ones get funded first . We apparently, came pretty low on
the list . What Henry Souther is doing is questioning the method by which
the points were alloted to the Fishers Island project . And that is the
reason for the appeal . They are appealling and they have already filed
their appeal with DEC questioning the method by. which the priority points
were alloted to Fishers Island.
SUPERVISOR PELL: Thank you. Anybody else wish to address the Board?
PAT BAKER: You have about 20-25 units at the army post . Thy aren' t
they builidng cesspools like we all build. Why can ' t they maintain these
cesspools themselves?
JUSTICE EDWARDS : I believe the reason for it is that the houses down here
do not have the property. They do not have the land to put in the septic
systems because they are so close. . But then again , this is not going to
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affect you in Darby' s Cove because the people down here are going to be
involved in the district . They will be taxed. Only the people who are on
the system will be taxed, not the rest of the Island.
PAT BAKER: Why do they have to go through a district at that high expense
when they can put in their own septic tank?
JUSTICE EDWARDS : There 's a good question there. But , I think it ' s because
of the amount of property involved with each individual house .
COUNCILMAN MURPHY: Maybe you could get an answer from the Board of Health.
SUPERVISOR PELL: The only thing I say is maybe Dr. Harris could go home
and research this or somebody could and get back to us. Who? Bob Vill
ROBERT VILLA, S .C. HEALTH DEPT. : Well , I think that was an option by th!
engineering firm that did the study actually went through. They did a;
study to get off the main system and put in their own system. I guess
their choice was to look and see if they could work with the system they
got and make the necessary alterations .
BOB HASKINS : We have a $612 , 000. 00 bond resolution which everybody knows
that by the time you pay that off it costs 5 times that with interest and
whz.t ever. Where does the money come from? Is that included in the taxes
frgm Fishers Island? Or only from the places where it is used?
SUPERVISOR PELL: That would come from the total town tax.
M#. HASKINS : All town taxes?
SUPERVISOR PELL: Town taxes. Now, we do not expect to spend the whole
mount $612 , 000 .00. It ' s an option. We have to apply, the town board
;as to sit down and figure which community development HUD, if some of
the funds that we get year after year from HUD could be used for this.
But , the major bond issue, for the total amount if we were to bond the
whole thing.
MR. HASKINS : That is allocated throughout the whole . . .we are going -to
pay for that as well as over there?
SUPERVISOR PELL: We are going to a user fee at the Cutchogue Landfill .
The Councilmen told me to remind everyone . To off set a good part of
this cost . Right now, everybody can go into the mainland landfill and
pay no users fee . We are going to put a users fee in next year when
this goes into effect on the people that do go into the dump, to offset
some of the expenses. Anybody else wish to address the board?
LUCY AHMAN: I would like to ask whether the constables over in Southold
are as underpaid as our two constables here?
SUPERVISOR PELL: We have no constables on the mainland. We have police
officers.
MRS . AHMAN: How are the salaries determined for our boys who are on
call all year round?
SUPERVISOR PELL: Your salaries are set by the town board on January .lst
of each year . It is set by the town board. That ' s how they are set .
MRS . AHMAN: By the government?
SUPERVISOR PELL: By us people right up here. We set the salary for Mr. . .
MRS . AHMAN: Does it take into consideration the hours that they are on
call 7 days a week, 52 weeks a year? And you pay them those rotten sala e:
I mean really, I 'm serious .
SUPERVISOR PELL: The board sets salaries for themselves and all town
employees on January 2nd, the first meeting of the year . As' we prepare
our budget which we will do by October 1st , the board will start to work
on a budget . I work on it before.
MRS . AHMAN: These are the only 2 constables in the town?
SUPERVISOR PELL: The only 2 constables in town, yes. We have police
officers, we have bay constables in Southold. We have part-time, and
year round.
MRS . AHMAN: What does the bay constable get?
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.. SUPERVISOR PELL: In Southold Town, this year the bay constable is getting
what? Dan , this year?
CHIEF OF POLICE WINTERS : $14, 000. 00
SUPERVISOR PELL: $14, 000. 00 That ' s full time, 40 hours a week, 52 weeks
a year .
MRS . AHMAN: And they work the winter months?
SUPERVISOR PELL: Oh, yes, definitely. We have scalloping going on all
winter . And we always have problems with people out on boats in the winter
time . Scallopers not getting back, people going out scalloping that should
not be going out scalloping. Winter is one of his roughest times.
COUNCILMAN MURDOCK; Our deputy bay constables get $5 .00 an hour.
SUPERVISOR PELL: We have deputy bay constables in the summer time when
we have the influx over there like you have over here. They get $5. 00
per hour, no benefits. Anybody else wish to address the town board?
JOHN CLAVIN:. I would just like to support what Lucy said. When it comes
to January, we would like you to take a look at that salary that you are
paying our 2 constables to protect us from the time the state police leave
until they come back, all by themselves. When you look at the salary that
was just granted to the police in Suffolk County based on the arbitration
decision, our men are completely underpaid.
SUPERVISOR PELL: Thank you. The town board shall look at it October 1st
.when they work on the budget . They work on it in October. They set them
in January . Anybody else wish to address the town board? If not , we are
going to adjourn and have refreshments courtesty of the civic association
and everybody will be around here, if anybody wants to zero in on anybody
else .
On motion by Councilman Townsend, seconded by Councilman Murdock, it was
RESOLVED that this Town Board meeting be, adjourned at 1 :55 P.M. .
Vote of the Town Board: Ayes : Justice Edwards, Councilman Townsend,
Councilman Murphy, Councilman Murdock, Supervisor Pell .
This resolution was declared duly ADOPTED.
Elizabeth A. Nevill
Deputy Town Clerk