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S O UTH O LD, L. 1., N. Y.
Telephone SO 5-2660
APPEAL BOARD
MEMBERS
Robert W. Gillispie, Jr., Chairman
Robert Bergen
Charles Gregonis, Jr.
Serge Doyen, Jr.
M I N U T E S
SOUTHOLD TOWN BOARD OF' APPEALS
January 3, 1963
A regular meeting of the Southold Town Board of` Appeals
was held 7: 30 P.M. , Thursday, January 3, 1963 at the Town
Office, Main' Road, Southold, New York.
'Inhere were present: Messrs. Robert-W. Gillispie, Jr. ,
Chairman, Robert- Bergen, and 'Charles Grigonis, .Jr. '
Absent: Mr. Serge, Doyen, Jr.
PUBLIC HEARING: Appeal No. 534 - 7: 30 P.M. (E.S.T. ) ,
upon application of The Great A &, P Tea Co. , 650 Stewart- Avenue,
Garden City, New York, for a special exception in accordance
with the Zoning Ordinance, Article IV, Section 408," Subsection
(a) , for permission to erect pole type ground sign '25 ft. in
height- and 7. ft. in diameter. Location of property: corner
of New Suffolk-Avenue and Main Road, Mattituck, New York,
bounded north by New Suffolk- Avenue, east by E. & H. Reeve, ,
south by Boutcher' Estate, and west by Main Road. Fee paid $5. 00.
The Chairman opened the hearing by reading. application for
a special exception, legal notice of hearing, affidavit attesting
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to its publication in the official newspaper and notice to the
applicant.
THE CHAIRMAN: Is there anyonepresent who wishes to speak
for this application?
MR. ALF M. ANDERSEN: The idea of' the extra clearance
overhead is so that coming down the road you can see it. The
standard sign is 19 ft. in height. Also, there is a low spot
in the lot at that point. The sign is conservative and does
not flash. It goes off on a time clock when the business is
closed.
THE CHAIRMAN: Is there anyone who wishes to speak in
opposition?
(There was no response. )
After investigation and inspection the Board finds that
this business lot is of unusual topography, being several feet
lower at the corner of New Suffolk Avenue and Main Road where
the sign is to be placed, than it is at the point where the
building is being built.
This is a conservative sign and the standard pole sign
installed by the A & P at their stores. The extra height is
to overcome the low area in which it is being placed.
On motion of Mr. Gillispie, seconded by Mr. Grigonis, it
was
RESOLVED that the Great A & P Tea Company, 650 Stewart
Avenue, Garden City, New York be granted permission to erect
and maintain a pole type sign at the site of the new A & P
building at the corner of New Suffolk Avenue and Main Road,
Mattituck, New York. This sign is 7 ft. in diameter with
the letters "A & P", and 25 ft. in overall height. No portion
of this sign shall be closer than 5 ft. to any property line.
vote of the Board: Ayes: - Mr. Gillispie, Mr. Bergen,
and Mr. Grigionis.
(Mr. Albert -Zanowski requested that the Board postpone the
next hearing on Appeal No. 535, Application of J. Herbert Cassidy,
until such time as his lawyer could appear to speak in opposition.
After considering this request thoroughly, the Board denied it and
proceeded with the hearing.)
Southold Town Board of Appeals -3- January 3, 1963 ,
PUBLIC HEARING: ' Appeal No. 535� - 7:45 P.M. '(E.S_T. ) , upon
application of J. Herbert Cassidy, Hobart- Road,- Southold,. New York,
for a special exception in accordance with .the Zoning Ordinance,
Article- X, Section 1003A; for permission to renew labor camp
permit- on the property of I., P. Krupski, east side Bridge Lane,
East-Cutchogue, New York. Property bounded north by,M.. Zanowski,
east,by A. S. Davids,. south by-P. Bedell, and west by-.Bridge Lane.
Feepaid $5. 00.
The Chairman opened the hearing by reading application for a
special exception, legal notice of hearing, affidavit-attesting to
its publication in the official newspaper and notice to the applicant.
THE' CHAIRMAN: Is there anyone present- who wishes to speak
in favor of this application? ,
MR. -J. HERBERT .CASSIDY: -Everything is .in my original• affidavit.
There is nothing' further ' to'-add at this time.
;(The Chairman read::-.tle application of J.• Herbert-Cassidy for
a special exception for permission to rent a labor camp on property .
of I. P. Krupski, east side Bridge- Lane, Peconic, New York, dated
June 22,' 1962, No. 481. - The present- renewal is based on the afore-
said application. The Chairman also read the action of the Board
of Appeals on A :peal No. 481. ) .
THE CHAIRMAN: Is there anyone else present who wishes to speak
in favor of this application?
(There was- no response. )
THE CHAIRMAN: Is there 'anyone present who wishes to speak
against this application?
MR.. ALBERT ZANOWSKI I represent the Michael Zanowski Estate
and am the' Executor, and I •voice objection to the renewal of this
application. In the original application I would like to make a
correction. It is stated -the. camp was therefor 15 years from 19620
That would make it_ 1947. It was placed there in April or May- 1953.
There was no tenant in the tenant house until we ran an electric
line which the cost-was carried-by Mr. Krupski and my father and
that-was 1953. There Iwere people living there before 1945 but for
about 6 or 7 years it� was vacant. It needed repair and lumber wasn't
available for the repair- and it stood vacant.
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THE CHAIRMAN: However, that is all prior to the zoning
ordinance.
MR. ZANOWSKI: I will read the following objections and I
wish it put into the record verbatim.
I give .a description of the camp. This camp is located on
Bridge Lane, East Cutchogue, on approximately 10 acres of land
owned by Mr. I. P. Krupski. This barrack- was placed there during
the spring of 1953. Mr. Krupski stated at that time that the barrack
was to house his migrant farm labor. This custom was practiced in
1953 and each year after that and including 1961. Each year the
workers inhabited this camp from the lst of July until their
departure in mid-November. The rest of the time it remained un-
inhabited. The number of workers housed in this camp for farm
labor was 3 to 4 people. It was stated that way by Mr. Cassidy
in the first affidavit.
The northern boundary of this property is 729 feet south of
the Long Island Railroad boundary, a comfortable distance from the
track. To the north of the described property is .property owned
by Michael Zanowski Estate on which is located a dwelling. This
dwelling has been on its present site for more than 100 years. It
was completely renovated in 1952. The labor camp is 30 ft. south
of the Zanowski-Krupski boundary. The tenant dwelling is approx-
imately 10 ft. north of this same boundary and 10 ft. east of the
Davids-Krupski property. Both the labor camp and dwelling are about
270 feet east of Bridge Lane.
During 1962 this camp has been leased to Mr. J. Cassidy to
house 16 to 18 workers to work in his potato packing shed. This
camp no longer serves Mr. Krupski's farm labor for use. on his own
farm as it had before leasing. Since this camp has been occupied
by the present occupants it has become a serious nuisance to the
neighbors,. community and police. The police blotter shows stabbings,
fights, lye throwing, and drinking are constant at this camp.
I have some films here taken from the living room of the
tenant house. I offer them to the Board.
The neighbors must keep their doors locked and frequently
call the police when these people trespass their properties. There
was a time last fall when a woman came from the camp and walked
into my mother's living room and she was drunk. When she was
asked where she stayed she said at the camp. If my brother had
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not been there to chase the woman out I don=t-know what would
have happened to -my mother. Because of this camp the neighbors .
must live under duress. They, cannot enjoy the freedom of u-nlock'ed
doors.
Since this camp no longer serves the owner ' as had been the
original intent, the neighbors- want it closed. We, do not want a
commercial camp in our midst. Phone calls were made to these.
neighbors. I called Mr. Burnett Tuthill, Mr. Norman Case and
Mrs.- Sharvey.
Will the Board accept the films I offered?
THE CHAIRMAN: I do not think they -are, necessary for the record.
How, far' away from the camp are,, the se 'people you mention? .
MR. ZANOWSKI: Mrs. Sharvey is ' about- one-half mile, . Mr. Norman
case is about one-half mile, and.Mr. Burnett Tuthill is about- one-
half mile. . My mother is .400 . ft. to 500 ft. away.
THE CHAIRMAN: . .Your mother's" objection is because one day a
woman walked into her- living:-room?.`_
MR. ZANOWSKI: - she is in her .80's 'and we think of what might
have happened had not my,-brother been there.
was . .
MR. CASSIDY: The woman-- that was mentioned I believe/taken' out
of the camp the next day because she was not part:of the crew.
THE .CHAIRMAN: Why, would you take the pictures you mentioned?
MR.. ZANOWSKI: The pictures would prove' that they are not
perfect- gentlemen as Mr. .Cassidy says they .are.
MR. -HERBERT OWEN CASSIDY. Mr.. ZanowskV s tenant worked in
ourcrew one ,afternoon down to our place and thdre is a liquor
store in front of' it and I do not allow the workers. to have liquor
or go into the liquor store and 'the' tenant had a bottle. of liquor
and I had to take it away from.him.
MR.. ZANOWSKI: This same tenant goes to the camp and buys wine.
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MR. CASSIDY: One day we ,were in. the camp with the Health
Department and the Labor Department and we had trouble getting
the tenant out and we had to .throw him. out because he was so
intoxicated.
THE CHAIRMAN: Is there anyone else present who wishes. to
speak in objection?
(There was no response. )
THE CHAIRMAN: Is there anything. further anyone wishes . to
add?
(There .was no response.')
After investigation and inspection the Board finds that
contrary to, the original hearing held July 5, 1962, when 18
individuals registered objections, . only one objector appeared
at this hearing, although he claimed to speak ;for three others
who are onehalf mile distant. As in the original hearing the
complaints mentioned by Mr. Zanowski were similar to those raised,
wherever migrant workers are employed.
The compelling reason for granting a special exception to '
operate this camp as a commercial labor camp still exists by
reason of the elimination of cooperative housing for approximately
200 workers formerly Housed at the Greenport--Labor Camp. The
operators of farms conduct their operation in various locations
necessitating housing within the general area of operation in
order to perform grading operations to market the crops. Con ditions'
for the opening of the camp were established by the Suffolk-.County
Board of Health and involved two new cesspools, new well -point,
pump, showers, sheet- rocking the entire interior of the 20 ft.
by 50 ft. building, as well as new floors,, and division into a
kitchen and crew quarters as sketched by the Board of Health.
No enlargement of the original structure was made. Mr. CLssidy
stated the Board of Health complimented him on the operation of
the camp.
This camp enables the camp operator, . J. Herbert Cassidy, to
locate a crew far closer to his grading operation than. formerly.
The A & P chain operated two large graders in Peconic but their
operation was, intermittent during 1962 and the' Cassidy ,grading
. , facilities are essential for marketing Peconic's major crop, potatoes.
Southold Town Board of Appeals -7- January 3, 1963
With regard to Mr. Zanowski's verbatim statement which
was read into the record the last sentence of the third paragraph
of said statement presents a serious charge as follows: "The
police blotter shows stabbings, fights, lye throwing, and drinking
are constant at this camp. " We have asked the Chief of the Southold
Town Police for a report -which is included in this record. Chief
Howard states that there were two instances when a patrolman was
called to the camp, on August 5, 1962 and August 26, 1962. The
August 5th lye incident involved an unknown assailant, while the
assailant in the August 26th stabbing incident was given a suspended
sentence of 30 daysg both injuries were of a minor nature. The
opening statement of paragraph four of Chief Howard' s report reads
as follows: "As for the incident rate at this camp, it is no
greater than any other camp in Town. "
No complaint regarding this camp reached the Supervisor's
office during the 1962 operation.
The Board of Appeals is in agreement with the general
feeling concerning labor camps, however, we believe that the
operation of camps has vastly improved in recent years and that
such camps are a tool as essential to local agriculture as
tractors. Accordingly our findings have not changed essentially.
since July 5. 1962 as outlined in our action of that date based
on Appeal No.• 481 of J. Herbert-Cassidy.
On motion of Mr. Gillispie, seconded by Mr. Grigonis, it was
RESOLVED that J. Herbert Cassidy be granted permission to
renew his labor camp permit on property of I. P. Krupski, east
side Bridge Lane., East Cutchogue, New York. This permit shall
run for the calendar year 1963.
-See Schedule-_"A.". F-indings::bere.ih_.and I}ereto annex9d, are
taken• from'.the previous hearing of July 5, 1962. Accordingly
these findings have not changed essentially.
Vote of the Board: Ayes: - Mr. Gillispie, Mr. Bergen, and
Mr. Grigonis.
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SCHEDULE "A"
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Southold Town Board of Appeals -7a January 3, 1963
Mr. John Sidor and Mr. Martin 'Sute,r--of.Mattituck, appeared
before the Board relative to -.the placement- of° a dwelling by Mr.
Sidor on a lot facing the new County Route 27A extension at
Conklin Road, Mattituck; New York. After considerable discussion
Mr. Sidor filed application for a variance on the front yard set-
back. and an. application for a variance for: setback for a garage.
The Board advised Mr. Sidor that they would like a letter from
the County approving the proposed setback, of the house and garage.
This lot is' considered a new, corner lot because the. property to the
south is reserved for .highway' purposes. by the County of Suffolk:
On' motion o.f Mr. Grigonis. - seconded by' Mr. Bergen, it was
RESOLVED that .the minutes : of, the Board .of' Appe'als of December
20, 1962. be approved as submitted.
Vote of the Board: Ayes:,- Mr. _ Gillisp.ie, Mr. Bergen, and
Mr. Grigonis.
Southold Town Board of Appeals -8- January 3, 1963
The next meeting of the Southold Town Board of Appeals
will be held 7: 30 P.M. , Friday, January 18, 1963 at the Town
Office, Main Road, Southold, New York.
On motion of Mr. Bergen, seconded by Mr. Grigonis, it was
RESOLVED that the Board of Appeals set 7: 30 P.M. (E.S.T. ) ,
Friday, January 18, 1963, Town Office, Main Road, Southold, New
York as time and place for hearing upon application of John
Sidor, Mill Lane, Mattituck, New York, for a variance in accord-
ance with the Zoning Ordinance, Article III, Section 304, for
permission to locate dwelling with a front yard setback of 22 ft.
on a corner lot. Location of property: Conklin Road and County
Route 27A Extension, Mattituck, New York, Lots 17 & 18 on map of
Garden Heights. Property bounded north by Lot 19 - Terry and Hill,
east by- Lots 33 & 34 - John Sidor, south by- County Route 27A
Extension, and west by Conklin Road.
Vote of the Board: Ayes: - Mr. Gillispie, Mr. Bergen, and
Mr. Grigonis.
On motion of Mr. Grigonis, seconded by Mr. Bergen, it was
RESOLVED that the Board of Appeals set 7: 45 P.M. (E.S.T. ) ,
Friday, January 18, 1963 , Town Office, Main Road, Southold, New
York as time and place for hearing upon application of John Sidor,
Mill Lane, Mattituck, New York, for a variance in accordance with
the Zoning Ordinance, Article III, Section 300, Subdivision 7,,
for permission to locate detached garage 5 ft. from the southerly
property line bounding property of the County of Suffolk reserved
for highway purposes. Location of property: Conklin Road and
County Route 27A Extension, Mattituck, New York, Lots 17 & 18 on
map of Garden Heights. Property bounded north by Lot 19 - Terry &
Hill, east by Lots 33 & 34 - John Sidor, south by County Route
27A Extension, and west by Conklin Road.
Vote of the Board: Ayes:- Mr. Gillispie, Mr. Bergen, and
Mr. Grigonis.
On motion of Mr. Gillispie, seconded by Mr. Bergen, it was
RESOLVED that the Board of Appeals set 7: 50 P.M. (E.S.T. ) ,
Friday, January 18, 1963, Town Office, Main Road, Southold, New
York as time and place for hearing upon application of E. Kenneth
Southold Town Board of Appeals -9- January 3, 1963
Tabor, Orchard Street, Orient, New York, for a special exception
in accordance with the Zoning- ordinance, .Article X, Section 1003A,.
for permisLon to renew labor camp permit for existing labor camp
facilities. Location of property: south side Orchard Street,
Orient,, New York, bounded north by Orchard Street, east by E.. K.
Jagged, south by Percy Douglass, and west- by H. G. Tabor Estate.
Vote of the Board: Ayes: - Mr. Gillispie,, Mr. Bergen, and
Mr. Grigonis.
On motion of Mr. Bergen, seconded by Mr. Gillispie, it was
RESOLVED that the Board of Appeals set 8: 15 P.M. (E.S.T. ) ,
Friday, January 18, 1963, Town Office, Main Road, Southold, New
York as time and place for hearing upon application of George W.
Smith & Sons, Inc. , Main Street, Southold, New York, for a special
exception in accordance with the Zoning Ordinance, Article IV,
Section 408, Subdivision (a) , for permission to erect a second
ground sign on the business property of George W. Smith & Sons,
Inc. , east side Route 25, Southold, New York. Property bounded
north by G. W. Smith, east by Ellis Terry, south by G. W. Smith,
and west by Main Road.
Vote of the Board: Ayes: - Mr. Gillispie, Mr. Bergen, and
Mr. Grigonis.
It was further RESOLVED that legal notice of the hearings
be published in the official newspaper on January 10, 1963.
Vote of the Board: Ayes: - Mr. Gillispie, Mr. Bergen, and
Mr. Grigonis.
Meeting adjourned at 10: 00 P.M.
Respectfully submitted,
-- Judith T. Boken, Secretary
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Chaim a 130ard of Appeals