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HomeMy WebLinkAboutTR-11/19/2003 I S0f Albert J. Krupski, President 0�� �� Town Hall James King,Vice-President �� Gy 53095 Route 25 Artie Foster o =� P.O.Box 1179 va Z Southold, New York 11971-0959 Ken Poliwoda G Peggy A.Dickerson y� O�� Telephone(631) 765-1892 Fax(631) 765-1366 BOARD OF TOWN TRUSTEES TOWN OF SOUTHOLD MINUTES November 19th, 2003 7:00 p.m. PRESENT WERE: Albert J. Krupski, Jr., President James King, Vice-President Artie Foster, Trustee (Absent) Ken Poliwoda, Trustee (Absent) Peggy Dickerson, Trustee E. Brownell Johnston, Esq., Town Attorney Charlotte Cunningham, Clerk CALL MEETING TO ORDER PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE NEXT FIELD INSPECTION: Wednesday, December 10th, 2003 at 8:00 a.m. TRUSTEE DICKERSON moved to Approve. TRUSTEE KING Seconded. ALL AYES NEXT TRUSTEE MEETING: Wednesday, December 17th, 2003 at 7:00 p.m. WORKSESSION: 6:00 p.m. TRUSTEE DICKERSON moved to Approve. TRUSTEE KING Seconded. ,ALL AYES APPROVE MINUTES: Approve Minutes of October 22, 2003 TRUSTEE DICKERSON moved to Approve the Minutes. TRUSTEE KING Seconded. ALL AYES I. MONTHLY REPORT: The Trustees monthly report for October 2003. A check for $6,634.06 was forwarded to the Supervisor's Office for.the General Fund. II. PUBLIC NOTICES: Public Notices are posted on the Town Clerk's Bulletin Board for review. III. AMEN DMENT/WAIVER/CHANGES: 1. PETER COSOLA request an Amendment to Permit 5798 to install a new cesspool system and add a 3'x30' extension to the front of the house based on the footprint of the above referenced previously granted permit. Located: 2880 Minnehaha Blvd. Southold, NY SCTM#87-03-43 TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: The CAC recommends approval of the application. However suggests the plans be revised in order to avoid removal of a large tree. This is not a public hearing but anyone is welcomed to speak. Anyone here to represent the applicant? ROBERT HOLZMAIER: I am not here to represent the applicant I am a neighbor. I am representing my self. I live across the street. My name is Robert Holzmaier I live across the street from 2880 Minnehaha Blvd. Mr. Cosola purchased the house around July and so far has requested a second story addition — request for a 10x28-1/2 foot extension and request for a 13x28-1/2 extension all of these have been approved. Now he wants to add a 3 x 30 foot extension to the front of the approved 13x28-1/2 foot extension. It is my understanding that there is a thirty-five foot set back for buildings in Southold. The house now sits at thirty feet and this would bring the set back from the road twenty-seven feet. Bringing too close to the front of my house. That is my objection in this matter. I am also wondering how many times he can just keep amending his request. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: He can request an amendment as often as he wants. As far as the set back to the road that would be building department would regulate that. The permit we issued was August 2003 with the second story addition. That of course has not taken place. ROBERT HOLZMAIER: No. There is no construction yet. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: One Board Member that visited the site. Since it seemed to be a minor addition to the permit— 98 feet from the high water mark - is not here tonight. TRUSTEE KING: I did not visit the site. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: It seemed that it was a minor since it was 98 feet away and we just granted a permit to the addition and we are unaware of what the CAC requested. I would ask Mr. Johnston about the set backs from the road? That would not be our issue it would be a Planning Department issue. He has to try to get our permit first. Just because we issue a permit it does not mean that quite often he has to go on to get other approvals from other agencies and quite often other agencies disallow what the applicant has proposed. Then they have to come back 2 to us for an amendment. If we approve this it does not necessarily going to happen. Our only concern is the environment with respect to the 3x30 addition. ROBERT HOLZMAIER: I saw that there was a Permit on the front of the house and if anyone had any objections. To appear and I am appearing. I want to be correct to assume that there is someone taking minutes and my name will be here objecting to this. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: I would advise you to pursue this with the Planning Department because of the set backs and a variance from the ZBA. ROBERT HOLZMAIER: But they have to come to you first. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Sometime we approve these additions to houses. The ZBA will not allow it and then they have to come back. TRUSTEE KING: Technically it is out of our jurisdiction. ROBERT HOLZMAIER: Do you need my name again? CHARLOTTE CUNNINGHAM: Just the spelling of it. ROBERT HOLZMAIER: Holzmaier Robert and my address 2765 Minnehaha Blvd. CHARLOTTE CUNNIGHAM: Thank you. ROBERT HOLZMAIER: Thank you TRUSTEE KRUSKI: Would anyone like to make a Motion? TRUSTEE KING: I will make a motion to Approve the Amendment to the Permit. TRUSTEE DICKERSON: Seconded. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: All in favor. ALL AYES TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: We are going to hold the permit for Cosola until we get the cesspool system indicated on the plans. TRUSTEE KING: It just slipped by I was concentrating on the road. 2. Proper-T Services on behalf of STEPHEN MATTEINI request an Amendment to Permit 5787 to raise the existing house from the foundation, demolish the existing foundation and construct a new foundation within the same proposed footprint to include proposed additions — demolish two.one story portions of the existing structure and rebuild them. Located: 3855 Bay Shore Road, Greenport, NY SCTM#53-6-19 TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: We issued this permit in July for an addition to a single-family dwelling and stake row of hay bales. I do not see gutters and drywells on this? TRUSTEE DICKERSON: What are the CAC comments? TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: CAC approved. During construction the foundation was discovered to need a new foundation underneath it and I did not have any problems with it. They are going to raise the house up and proceed with the construction. If there are no other comments. I will make a 3 Motion to Approve the application of Stephen Matteini and just a note for the records the drywells and gutters with the roof run-off be on the plans. Be included in the written description for the new permit. All in favor. TRUSTEE DICKERSON: Seconded. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: All in favor. ALL AYES 3. PROPER-T PERMIT SERVICES on behalf of GREGORY MAZZANOBILE requests an Amendment to Permit 5631 to allow the location of the sewage disposal system and the necessary fill and retaining wall. Located: 1400 Lake Avenue, Southold, NY SCTM#59-1- 21.6 & 21.7 TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Is there anyone here to speak on this? We just got a letter from Mark Terry Senior Environmental Planner yesterday. The Board has not had time to review. We are marking on different Wetland forms from the site and the importance and so in this case I would just withhold our comments until the Board can take a look at it. The report came in late. I will make a Motion to Table the application. JIM FITZGERALD: I am Jim Fitzgerald representing Mr. Mazzanobile. The report although it arrives at the conclusion that there are wetlands in the area that need to be protected. I am not sure that I understand how he got there. For instance, you probably know what a G3 and a G4 are. I never heard of them. TRUSTEE KING: No. I do not have the slightest idea. . TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: No that is why we do not want to rush into any conclusions here. JIM FITZGERALD: I mention this because it maybe you can talk to Mr. Terry before we get back together. Because there is no indication how many of these things were arrived at. He says that there are Martine fresh water inter-dunal swales and those things someplace are listed as G3 and G4 or S2 and we have no indication of what that means. Either good or bad I have a feeling from our standpoint that it is bad. I think it needs a lot more clarification. This comment applies he asks specifically but in general to many of projects that come before the Board. We got to the point that it is bad for the wetlands. But no one says why it is bad for the wetlands. In other words in this case. He is saying that it is bad for the wetlands. He should say that it is going to kill the cranberries. Since cranberries are important crop in this area for the local people. So that is bad. But that never comes up and I think it should. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: You are absolutely right and that is why we have to put more time into these applications. Because these are sensitive areas. Like the previous application that is not very environmentally sensitive. JIM FITZGERALD: That is all 4 TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: I made a Motion to Table this application. Are there any other comments? All in favor. TRUSTEE DICKERSON: ALL AYES. 4. En-Consultants, Inc. on behalf of MADELINE P/SCIOTTA requests a One Year Extension to Wetland Permit #5257 to construct a two-story, one family dwelling to be raised on pilings, deck, pervious driveway, two (2) drywells, drinking water well and sanitary system to be placed on approx. 380 cy of clean sand fill and contained with concrete retaining walls (this will be the final one year extension). Located: 8554 Main Bayview Road, Southold, NY SCTM#87-5-23.7 & 23.8 TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Take any comments, if anyone has any? Permit was issued three yearsago. Anyone wants to take a look. TRUSTEE KING: Nothing has changed. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Do I have a Motion? TRUSTEE KING: I will make a motion for a final one-year extension for the permit. TRUSTEE DICKERSON: Seconded. TRUSTEE KING: All in favor. ALL AYES 5. Cross Sound Ferry Services, Inc. requests a One Year Extension to Permit#5408 for the proposed re-grading and the application of stone/gravel to the snack bar parking area, along with proposed installation of curb stops and guard rail fence, for the installation of low intensity safety lighting, within the snack bar parking area, and for the installation of a berm southward of the Coastal Erosion Hazard Area line, said berm to be planted and stabilized with a double row of Rosa rugosa and a staked snow fence. The location of the berm shall be as depicted on the revised site plan dated August 29, 2001 and last revised October 9, 2001 and shall be located at the following coordinates, about 52' south of the CEHA line at the west boundary of SCTM#15-9-15.1 and about 90' south of the CEHA line at the east boundary of the aforesaid lot. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Did anyone take a look at this? CHARLOTTE CUNNINGHAM: It only came in yesterday. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: I am going to table this application, because we did not have the time to look at it. CHARLOTTE CUNNIGHAM: The problem with it, if it goes into the next month meeting they will have to reapply. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: We will talk it over. It was physically in before the meeting but without time for an actual review. I will make a Motion to Table with that condition. 5 TRUSTEE KING: Seconded. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: All in favor. ALL AYES TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: This is the public portion of the meeting. I need a Motion to go off the regular meeting. TRUSTEE KING: So moved. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: All in favor .ALL AYES IV. PUBLIC HEARINGS: THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING /N THE MATTER OF THE FOLLOWING APPLICATIONS FOR PERMITS UNDER THE WETLANDS ORDINANCE OF THE TOWN OF SOUTHOLD. I HAVE AN AFFIDAVIT OF PUBLICATIONS FROM THE TRAVELER-WATCHMAN; PERTINENT CORRESPONDENCE MAYBE READ PRIOR TO ASKING FOR COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC. PLEASE KEEP YOUR COMMENTS ORGANIZED AND BRIEF FIVE (5) MINUTES OR LESS IF POSSIBLE TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Two Public Hearings have been postponed. Henry Huecker Wetland Permit has been postponed Jeffrey Hallock Wetland Permit has been postponed. 1. HENRY HUECKER request a Wetland Permit to expand existing cesspool system landward of existing system — additional pool to relieve existing system. Located: 3300 Deep Hole Drive, Mattituck, NY SCTM#115-17-12 POSTPONED AS PER APPLICANT'S REQUEST 2. JEFFREY HALLOCK requests a Wetland Permit to cut into ground of right of way for installation of underground utilities and permission to cut base of existing dirt roadway to upgrade with stone materials as required by Southold Zoning Board —to locate dwelling with attached garage and sanitary system at least 110-115 ft from nearest edge of tidal wetlands Located: Diachon Road/Peconic Bay Blvd. Laurel, NY SCTM#127-3-9.1 POSTPONED AS PER APPLICANT'S REQUEST 6 J\ 3. WILLIAM & PATRICIA BRENNEN request a Wetland Permit to construct a 3'x35' stairway with 6'x3' landing on the property down the slope to Marion Lake. Located: 1050 Truman's Path, East Marion, NY SCTM#31- 12-5.1 TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Would anyone like to speak in favor of or against the application? Do I have a Motion to close the hearing? TRUSTEE KING: So moved. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Do I have a seconded? TRUSTEE KING: Seconded. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: All in favor. I will make a Motion to Approve the application. TRUSTEE KING: Seconded. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: All in favor. ALL AYES. 4. ANTHONY PALUMBO requests a Wetland Permit for a single-family residence with attached garage. Located: 3550 Grathwohl Road, New Suffolk, NY SCTM#110-8-3 TRUSTEE DICKERSON: Would anyone like to speak to this application? TRACY PALUMBO: Good evening, my name is Tracy Palumbo I am here with my husband Anthony Palumbo who is the applicant. I am actually a co-applicant but my name is not on the application. . This project consists of a one family dwelling, with approximately 2800 feet of living space including a garage. The lot is presently improved with the septic system and a well, which were installed by the prior owner. The septic system was installed in the late 80's. Based upon a permit that was issued but expired. The septic system has been inspected by the Health Department and we were issued a permit from the Health Department on July 9th of this year. We are here before you tonight asking your permission to build our home. Based upon the fact that the DEC has flagged the wetlands boundary— 83 feet from the closest point from our proposed dwelling. . There is a paved road between the proposed house and the wetlands boundary. We have already covenanted to maintain a twenty-foot wide buffer between the construction and the road. We were issued a DEC permit on April 21St, of this year. We were also granted a variance from the ZBA on July P of this year. The location of the house was deferred based upon the odd shape of the lot as well as the town set back requirements. We had to go to the ZBA for the set back requirements based upon the issue. That is about it. If the Board has any questions? TRUSTEE DICKERSON We went out on inspection and the cesspools were located. MR. JOHNSTON: Did you find the well also? TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: No we will have to take the surveyor's word for it. TRUSTEE KING: It looks to me that the cesspools have to be upgraded. There is a big tree in there. 7 MR. PALUMBO: I am Anthony Palumbo I am the co-applicant. When they were originally installed I believe it was 1985 or 1986. They were approved of course that was pursuant to the permit with the Health Department had granted. As well as a Building Permit from the Town of Southold. It was just a little sapping tree. They were backed filled and all the piping was completed. TRUSTEE KING: But things grow. I did not have a big problem with it. TRUSTEE DICKERSON: Gutters and drywells for roof run off? MRS. PALUMBO: Yes there will be. TRUSTEE DICKERSON: Do they need hay bales? TRUSTEE KING: No because they are across the street. MR. JOHNSTON: It is an asphalt street. TRUSTEE KING: It looks like hay bales. MR. JOHNSTON: Are you anticipating hay bales for the twenty-foot buffer. Was that a yes? MRS PALUMBO: Yes. TRUSTEE DICKERSON: Any other comments from my other two members of the Board. Anyone else here to speak against the application. I will make a Motion to close the hearing. TRUSTEE KING: Seconded. TRUSTEE DICKERSON: All in favor. All AYES. I will make a Motion to Approve the applicant's request for the Wetland Permit for a single-family residence with attached garage with gutters and drywells for the roof run-off and hay bales as indicated on the plans. All in favor. ALL AYES TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: What you need to do is have your surveyor draw it on the survey. Which will show the drywells. It will be the description on the permit. MRS. PALUMBO: Okay certainly. Thank you very much 5. En-Consultants, Inc, on behalf of ROSEMARY& SEBASTIAN AVOLESE request a Wetland Permit to construct a second story— addition over— a two story house/garage addition to an existing one story, one family dwelling remove existing brick patio and construct attached deck, clear and establish four foot wide landscape path to existing dock, modify existing driveway, install a drainage system of drywells, and establish plantings. Located: 4150 Wunneweta Road, Cutchogue, NY SCTM#111-14-24 TRUSTEE KING: Is there anyone here to comment on this application? ROB HERRMANN: Good evening, Rob Herrmann of En-Consultants on behalf of the applicant's Rosemary & Sebastian Avolese. Rosemary and 8 Sebastian are here and also their architect. Fairly straight forward application. The only thing that I would note on the project description it should say to construct a second story addition over and a two story house/garage addition to the existing one story, one family dwelling. As per the Board's requirements there has been a system of drywells to be fed by leaders and gutters to serve the entire residence. There has been a drainage calculation done by Bush Associates that is the architect included on the site plan and there is also a notation on the site plan indicating gutters and leaders to serve the entire residence and connect to these new catch basins. There is a project-limiting fence, which is shown during construction, which would go around the entire project site. Just above the ten-foot contour because much of this project will be beyond the jurisdiction of New State DEC. If the Board has any questions. We would be happy to answer them. Otherwise, It is a fairly straightforward proposal. TRUSTEE KING: We looked at it. I do not think that we had a problem with it. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI:: That new addition is that going to have a full basement underneath it? I am just wondering about excavation. Also haybales? ROB HERRMANN: Well, it actually is a good point that you raised. We show basically a project limiting fence without haybales. It would be a fence with silt screening for that very reason. We want to try to maintain the project limiting fence above that contour. Both because after that point it starts to slope down and also for DEC. There was no way. We can put the fence down lower that makes more sense. Actually use the project limit fence with silk screening which would run along the foundation. So I assumed the Board would actually prefer that. For the very reason that you just mentioned. TRUSTEE KING: What about the existing cesspools? TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: A good question? Rob, do you know where the existing cesspools are? ROB HERRMANN: I am just looking on the existing survey. Do you know where so we can show the Board. On the survey it actually shows coming off the side of the house. TRUSTEE KING: Do you know if they have to be upgraded? ROB HERRMANN: What is being proposed is a three bedroom. The configuration of the house will be changed. The number of bedrooms will remain the same. So, therefore, we do not have to go to the Health Department. So the only reason we would have to have an upgrade if the Building Department requested it. But we are not increasing the number of bedrooms I do not suspect that they will. Unless the system is failing which it is not. TRUSTEE KING: Are there any other comments on this application? Any questions? I will make a Motion of close the hearing. TRUSTEE DICKERSON: Seconded. 9 TRUSTEE KING: All in favor. ALL AYES I will make a Motion to Approve the application as submitted. TRUSTEE DICKERSON: Seconded. TRUSTEE KING: All in favor. ALLAYES ROB HERRMANN: Thank you. 6. En-Consultants, Inc. on behalf of ADELAIDE KNOWLES requests a Wetland Permit to replace within 18" and raise 6" approximately 51 linear feet of existing timber bulkhead and backfill with approximately 15 cubic yards clean sand fill to be trucked in from an upland source — existing stairs and deck to be removed and replaced in kind in place as necessitated by bulkhead construction. Located: 2152 Park Avenue, Mattituck, NYSCTM#123-8-9 ROB HERRMANN: Peggy do you want to do the next one as well as this one, at the same time. They are actually adjourning. They are all part of the same structure. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Go ahead. So we will do both 6&7. 7. En-Consultants, Inc. on behalf of N. SUE MUELLER TRUST request a Wetland Permit to replace within 18" and raise 6" approximately 50 linear feet of existing timber bulkhead and backfill with approximately 15 cubic yards clean sand fill to be trucked in from an upland source — existing stairs and deck to be removed and replaced in kind in place as necessitated by bulkhead construction. Located: 2200 Park Avenue, Mattituck, NY SCTM#123-8-10 ROB HERRMANN: Rob Herrmann on behalf of both applicants. N, Sue Mueller Trust and Adelaide Knowles. This is also a very straight forward application. It is originally repair and maintenance to existing bulkhead and therefore exempted from the moratorium. If the Board has any questions or concerns I will be happy to address them on the two applications. They are effectively one bulkhead structure that spans both parcels. Replacement will be done at the same time. TRUSTEE DICKERSON: CAC has an approval with stipulations. The CAC recommends approval of the application with the following stipulations. The bulkhead should be placed in place only. No treated lumber should be used on the new structures. The fill area should be planted with native grasses. There should be no increase in the size of the deck. ROB HERRMANN: I can respond to each of those. The easy one no increase in the size of the deck. There is no increase in the size of the deck that is proposed. What was the fourth one, Peggy? TRUSTEE DICKERSON: That was the fourth one. The third one was the fill area should be planted with native grasses. ROB HERRMANN: Which is not a problem. That area is vegetated now. It would ordinarily be re-vegetated. Regarding their comments regarding 10 inkind/in place. We certainly have visited this topic before. There is a relatively steep embankment. Basically it is going to be less disturbance and destabilization. If the bulkhead is replaced out in front. Then if it is removed in it's entirely. Where you are going to have more excavating and stockpiling the soil involved. In this case, it is the originally bulkhead and it has never been stepped out before. The step out will occur over dry beach. So there is no disturbance and there is no disturbance in Town Water. There is no constriction or other effect on navigation. The structure will remain completely landward of the adjacent bulkhead to the east. Which is already located several feet seaward of this bulkhead. So going out in front will decrease the project cost to the applicants and will decrease the amount of disturbance. There will be no adverse impact and as the Board has approved before. This is essential a one time step out. With the permit in place. The condition that you have had on the other 18-inch replacement out in front. They will never go out again. Which will be on record. So we would like the Board to approve this as an 18-inch replacement in light of that consideration. Again there really is no need to use the vinyl in lieu of the treated timber because it is not in the waters. Because it is not in tidal water. So there is no concern over leaching. Frankly, it maintains a natural appearance along the bluff and beach area. So that would be the applicant's response to the CAC comments. TRUSTEE DICKERSON: My comment is that when we were out in the field we decided in kind/in place. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Especially on the westerly side. That neighbor is fairly new. We would like to see that matched up. As the east bulkhead jets out there. ROB HERRMANN: I can only and I am not going to reiterate everything that I just said relative to your comments verses the CAC's. Again, there is no adverse impact associated with the one time step out. Which again the Board has allowed. You have allowed it on LeCastro and you have allowed it on this very beach in the past. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: We would like to keep then especially when they joined up in line. Especially with the neighbor's. TRUSTEE DICKERSON: The decision is not so much CAC. ROB HERRMANN: It does not matter where the recommendation is coming from. You.or the people that are helping to advise you. I can only make the request to the applicant for those reasons. In my experience with this Board the objections have come in that we are in a narrow creek and that it would some how affect navigation. There is marsh in front, you are in title water you do not want filling of the Town Creek. Other than what you are mentioning. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: You want to keep a straight line. ROB HERRMANN: You are not creating a situation like you have a deep return or you are going to have scouring. My argument would be that 11 there would be very inconsequential impact by going out in front. But obviously it is the Board's decision. TRUSTEE KING: I noticed on the one parcel. There is not a lot behind the bulkhead. If there is going to be a lot of disturbance. There is a lot of vacant area there. It really is not going to be a hardship by putting it in place. ROB HERRMANN: I can certainly take the Board's decision back to the applicants. If there is a problem I will ask you to revisit it. If not we will have to go with the Board's degree. TRUSTEE DICKERSON: So we will table it? ROB HERRMANN: No I would not want to table it. I would say approve it as is. Make your decision. If there is a serious concern or other hardships that I relayed on their behalf. I will come back but I think that they are anxious to get the work done TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: One thing what about the vinyl issue? ROB HERRMANN: An independent thought just came to my mind. The question would be as a compromise would we be able to replace on the westerly most one (the Knowles) —which would be placed in kind and in place at that point. Then just create a slight angle out to where it would reach an 18-inch replacement throughout the rest of the project. You would actually maintain a straight line. TRUSTEE KING: I think the neighbor's to the east jets out past this point. So if you did that then you can be up flush with it. That would not be a bad way of doing it. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: You start at the westerly end and by the time you got out. You would be in front of. It would not be a perfectly straight line. But more or less you would not have that jet out. ROB HERRMANN: We would not want to go all the way out. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Slightly angle it. ROB HERRMANN: Well that would accomplish reducing the project cost at the same time. What I could do is go back to the contractor and discussing it with him. The number that works? TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Whatever number has to work. . ROB HERRMANN: Mueller would be entirely 18 inches as it has been submitted. Knowles would have to have the first twenty feet would have to be in kind/ in place. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Not in kind/in place, just covered up. I will make the resolution if you want. TRUSTEE DICKERSON: I will make a Motion to close the hearing. Do I have a seconded? TRUSTEE KING: Seconded. TRUSTEE DICKERSON: All in favor. ALL AYES TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: I will make a Motion to Approve the application on behalf ADELAIDE KNOWLES to replace 51 linear feet of existing linear feet of timber bulkhead starting at the most southerly end of the westerly neighbor's bulkhead angling out an area designated on the new plans to 12 be received and the rest of the bulkhead will be in kind and in place the remainder of the 51 feet will be in kind/in place. I do not know how you are going to type that up Charlotte? The remainder will be at 18 inches. ROB HERRMANN: It will not be a full 18 inches. TRUSTEE KING: I prefer to keep them as close as we can. TRUSTEE DICKERSON: Seconded. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: All in favor. ALL AYES I will make a Motion to Approve the application of N.SUE MUELLER TRUST to replace within 18 inches approximately 50 linear feet of existing bulkhead. TRUSTEE DICKERSON: Seconded. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: All in favor. ALL AYES. 8. Proper-T Permit Services on behalf of CUTCHOGUE NEW SUFFOLK PARK DISTRICT request a Wetland Permit to construct covered wood gazebo 24'x12' Located: 9430 Skunk Lane, Cutchogue, NY SCM#104-8- 6.1 TRUSTEE DICKERSON: Would anyone like to speak to this application? JIM FITZGRALD: Yes, Jim Fitzgerald for the Park District. We met at the site last week. We agreed to move the gazebo twenty feet to the north and I have new drawings. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Thank you TRUSTEE DICKERSON: Is there anyone else here to speak to this application? Any of the Board members? I will make a Motion to Close the hearing. TRUSTEE KING: Seconded. TRUTEE DICKERSON: All in favor. ALL AYES. I will make a Motion to Approve the permit request of Cutchogue New Suffolk Park District for a covered wood gazebo 24'x12' on 9430 Skunk Lane, Cutchogue. Do I have a seconded? TRUSTEE KING: Seconded. TRUSTEE DICKERSON: All in favor. ALL AYES 9. Costello Marine Contracting Corp. on behalf of PETER BOGOVIC request for Wetland Permit to construct a 124' retaining wall above the current high water mark with C-Loc vinyl sheathing. Located: 1980 North Bayview Road, Southold, NY 70-12-39.5 TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Would anyone like to speak on behalf of the application? JOHN COSTELLO: Yes, my name is John Costello of Costello Marine Contracting Corp. I am the agent for Peter Bogovic on this application. This is a continuation of two other hearings. First the Board had recommended that he use rock and the additional costs and the damage 13 to the property and the restoration costs would increase the cost approximately thirty to forty percent. He said he could not afford to do that. I came back and tried to stake the property and I staked it back behind the high water mark. It also was tabled last month because there was a question to review an outstanding violation issue that was on it. The Board did not want to go through the permit process until the outstanding violation was completed.' I hope the Board did review that violation because I did myself. If the Board has any questions on this. I would certainly try to answer them. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: I see that the fence was removed from underneath the dock. JOHN COSTELLO: That was not part of the violation. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: I would be inclined to move this application along. Because I think that the fence was the most offensive thing that we saw there. Some of the debris. But that having been removed. I would think in the course of building a structure there. The debris being moved as part of the process. JOHN COSTELLO: Could I make one other suggestion for the Board As you can see the violation and the application. The original application ask to build the dock to the edge of the grass made by John Froehoffer. As the time has gone by. He has lost a considerable amount of land. Most of the land was lost because of the bridge abutment. The bridge abutment is much more of a violator than Mr. Bogovic has ever been. They had debris like broken steel, broken concrete in the water. Which is considered more dangerous than one of the concerns that Ken had on the application is possible creating some erosion on the next-door property. First of all I would like to state. This bulkhead is entirely above mean high water. It is above the high water mark. It does not preclude the east winds or high tides hitting it. I would suggest as a compromise to Kenny's concern. Instead of putting a right angle return on the south side because the south side with a right angle return can cause scouring. It is at the bridge abutment. Both sides, when the tide is trying to get out and the tide is above normal there is scouring. He has lost a considerable amount of land. Twenty-four feet on one side and twelve on the other. He does not want it to continue. By angling that return it would lessen any possibility of scouring to the neighboring property. If there are any questions on that I can show you a photo or drawing of exactly what I mean. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: I think that there is no doubt that the bridge abutment has impacted Mr. Bogovic's property. I think that our concern is that it does not transfer that to the neighbor's property. That is why the Board really felt that if he really felt the need to armor it upland. He should do so with the revetment that would in our experience has really lessen the degree of scouring and impact. JOHN COSTELLO: It dispurses wave energy. The only thing it is above the high water mark. If you want it higher above the high water mark. I 14 am sure that he does not object to that. He does not want to continually loose more. But I think that the scouring action will be at the south return. Instead of a right angle back on 18 foot length. It certainly decreases any potential of scouring. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: I still would not want to put a vinyl wall next to the neighbor's because you are just going to transfer it,. JOHN COSTELLO: This return here will be the only thing that will create an effect. Same as the bridge abutment is doing. , TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: I will have to disagree here. Because you said only in a storm. But that is going to create in this whole area here. That is going to transfer down that is what my concern is. Otherwise, there is no point for the wall if water is not going to hit it. JOHN COSTELLO: When the tide is abnormal as it is increased by the continuing return here. If this is angled back you will not want to accelerate this right angle. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: I disagree because if you cut back or not. Consider this in a storm event that would be in the water. JOHN COSTELLO: You cannot keep the tide up. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: If he goes with the vinyl up to here and revetment over here to lessen the effect. JOHN COSTELLO: I tell you what and it has happened on many occasions with the New York State DEC. They will make you put rocks around anywhere near the return. Water is slowed down from the wave energies. I can show you dozen pictures. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Will they not require armoring and a bulkheadiung. JOHN COSTELLO: Well if they are in the water. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: During a storm event that is when you get that energy. JOHN COSTELLO: This is not a high energy area except for the right angle. That bridge is where the whole energy is being dispersed. We have on both sides. You can see the scouring on both sides. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: I still would rather see half— half rock up to that break. JOHN COSTELLO: He can lower it TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Then how high would that wall be? JOHN COSTELLO: About two feet. Because you see the two pilings that he has there. It goes above them now. Al, if you wanted to and if you want the last twenty feet to be armored pull back further into the bank. Put rock armoring in front of the last twenty feet abutting the neighbor's property. I think I will give him the rock. I am tired of dealing with this job. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: We were going to make that offer. JOHN COSTELLO: I think that if I angled it back. I think we should do that anyway. I think it will reduce any potential scouring above the water. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: How does the Board want to handle this? Obviously we need a new plan for this Do you want to stake it in the field for December? 15 JOHN COSTELLO: I will re-stake it. Then you can review it. Have it congenient upon a new set of plans. I will give you a new set of plans. I will draw it with the rock. On the last twenty feet. I will also angle that return so it does not have a right angle abutment. That could scour. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Okay. JOHN COSTELLO: I will submit those plans. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Any other comment I will make a Motion to close the hearing. TRUSTEE DICKERSON: Seconded. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: All in favor. ALL AYES I will make a Motion to Approve the application for Peter Bogovic for a 124 foot retaining wall with the last 20 feet armored with stone and approved subject to a new set of plans. All the debris be removed from the location. Four foot extension landward of the catwalk that is existing. Do I have a seconded. TRUSTEE DICKERSON: Seconded. TRUSTEE KRUSKI: All in favor. ALL AYES. 10.Agnieszka Drozdowska on behalf of JOHN BETSCH requests a Wetland Permit and Coastal Erosion to construct a new two story three bedroom — 2 car garage (in place of the existing one story—two car garage) the new structure will be built on wood pilings in compliance with FEMA. Located: 2325 North Sea Drive, Southold, NY SCTM#54-04-24 TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Is there anyone who would like to speak in favor of this application: JOHN BETSCH: I am John Betsch the owner of the property. I am here to let you know if you have any specific questions that I can answer them. My architect Frank Notaro is here if you have any technical questions about the specific construction. It really is the replacement of a summer house and making it a permanent structure and then I can move out to Southold. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Are there any other comments? It shows on here that the Coastal Erosion Hazard Line running down the road on the survey. The Coastal Erosion Law is pretty clear and I took another look at the house today. That non-major additions are prohibited in the dune area of the structural hazard area. So this would really exceed that as a non- major additions is defined as twenty five percent of the existing. So this really exceeds that under the Coastal Erosion Hazard Line. JOHN BETSCH: I do not understand your question. The fact that the house is 100 some feet from the water and in place of existing structure. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Under Coastal Erosion I think that they would consider it to be on the dune. I would consider it to be a primary dune. Under Chapter 37 Coastal Erosion. It is seaward of the Coastal Erosion 16 Hazard Line. Certainly, it would be considered a major addition. Under the definitions it is a major addition. In addition to a structure resulting in a twenty five percent increase greater than the ground cover of the structure. That would certainly fall in this guide of Chapter 37. JOHN BETSCH: At the moment there are two houses which are being completed on the same side of my street. A third house which has just been demolished to be rebuilt. Which I assume was approved by the same trustee board. 11 would think that the Coastal Erosion Line would not change drastically as it goes down the road. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Honestly, I do not know in those locations where the line would be. JOHN BETSCH: As well as directly across the street. There is a house being built. TRUISTEE KRUPSKI: But that is behind the Coastal Erosion. JOHN BETSCH: Facing a Pond. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: That is Lily Pond. JOHN BETSCH. So I am a little confused so that I cannot touch this because of Coastal Erosion? TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: It is a Town Code Chapter 37. You can come in and get a copy. It would not be considered anything greater than twenty five percent addition of the ground area. I do not know what percentage this is? Assuming by looking at it that it is greater than twenty five percent. JOHN BETSCH: The existing house is so tiny. You are saying that I cannot change any of the existing house. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: The way that I read the Code. I could be wrong. We brought this up on our field inspection. I looked at the Code in the office. I do not know if the Board has looked at the Code. The way that I interrupt the Code is that you would be allowed a twenty five percent expansion of the land area there only. JOHN BETSCH: The expansion on a house that is only 750 feet right now. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Whatever it is. TRUSTEE KING: About two hundred feet. JOHN BETSCH: What are the alternatives? TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: You can take a look at the Code. Your agent can take a look at the Code. For whatever reason you do not consider that to be a dune area or Coastal Hazard area. I believe it to be. But we can take a look at this again and consider what it can be. But it is definitely seaward of the Coastal Erosion line. Normally that Coastal Erosion Line is further seaward. This is in the road. JOHN BETSCH: The first thing that I would do is verifying that. It is strange that the Coastal Erosion Line is in the middle of the road. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: We thought that was first. We did not think it was on there. Because we have never seen that on the road. 17 TRUSTEE KING: When we got there we thought that they might be close to the line. We may have to move it back. Never realized that it is the middle of the road. I would never have thought of such a thing. Until you see it in black and white. FRANK NOTARO: Excuse me, I am Frank Notaro, the architect. We have been in discussion with the Building Department in terms of how to best address this. This issue never came up prior nor did it come up with our surveyor either. I am a little perplexed? Only because there is a parking lot which pretty much exceeds towards the water, John's property. It just does not make sense. Here is John's dune. Then there is this entire parking lot next door. Was there no affect of the Coastal Erosion line at that parking lot at all. Obviously there is no remenents of what was there. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Probably was put in long before. This is a State Code that the Town adopted in 1991. It is very recent. FRANK NOTARO: Basically what we have done is to make every attempt to. . TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: So we would be happy to review this with you. Just to have the State verify with you. What they think is or is not a Coastal Hazard area. Before you change the house plans. FRANK NOTARO: It just does not make sense in terms how changed the adjacent area to the house is. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: It is something that we saw. It is routine with us any sound property where is the Coastal Erosion Line. FRANK NOTARO: We did not see that line either TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: It is parallel with the road. It drifts through the property. MR. JOHNSTON: Did you challenge the surveyor if that is where it was? FRANK NOTARO: We did and they said that it was verified there. We saw it on the survey and we called John Ehlers and he said that it was on the survey and he pointed it out. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: How do you want to pursue this? TRUSTEE KING: I would suggest tabling it. MR. JOHNSTON: Tabling it and submit further information. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Try to get another opinion on this. I would call the State. FRANK NOTARO: The Betsch's house is wedged in between Mc Cann Road. All you need it on the other side and how can you have any dune left. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: We will take a look at it. Contact the State. You can call Charlotte. FRANK NOTARO: Maybe we can get them down there. To take a walk through. Basically where the house is right now. It relates more not to the actually wetland area per say. The type of vegetation that is there. Definitely a dune line is maybe fifty or seventy five feet towards the water. Which I assumed was where the action was. We have a parking lot right next door to us. 18 TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: I was reading through the Code. If it is a secondary dune. FRANK NOTARO: You can see where it contours. There is substantial contour change by the water. It kind of levels out. TRUSTEE KRUUSKI: We will take a look at it and consult with the State and see what happens. FRANK NOTARO: We will give them a call. . JOHN BETSCH: You are saying that you will call. FRANK NOTARO: We are saying that we will both will call. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: I will make a Motion to Table the application. TRUSTEE KING: Seconded. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: All in favor. ALL AYES 11.Suffolk Environmental Consulting, Inc, on behalf of AMELIA MENDOZA requests a Wetland and Coastal Erosion Permit to re- vegetate 4,900 sq. feet of disturbed area within the seaward edge of limit of clearing and disturbance and the landward edge of top of bluff, with Rosa rugosa (2 gallon pots). Located: 38015 Main Road, Orient, NY SCTM#15-2-15,1 TRUSTEE KING: Anyone want to comment on this application? MATT IVES: Yes, Matt Ives, Suffolk Environmental Consulting. I have brought you the affidavits. TRUSTEE KING: Any other comments on this application? I will make a Motion to Close the hearing. TRUSTEE DICKERSON: Seconded. TRUSTEE KING: All in favor. ALL AYES I will make a Motion to Approve the clearing plan as submitted. TRUSTEE DICKERSON: Seconded. TRUSTEE KING: All in favor. ALL AYES MATT IVES: Thank you. 12.Samuels & Steelman Architects on behalf of SETH & BARBARA EICHLER request a Wetland Permit to add second floor to existing single story frame house, to construct new two car garage, and new in ground pool also to include repair of existing wood steps on bluff and deck. Located: 17915 Soundview Avenue, Southold, NY SCTM#51-01-06 TRUSTEE DICKERSON: Is there anyone here who would like to speak to this application? 19 PATRICIA C. MOORE: I am not prepared to speak on this. I was retained to do the Zoning application. I expected Samuels & Steelman to be here. If you have any questions. I may be able to answer them for you. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: The pool in the back yard has to be caving in very old. TRUSTEE KING: The thirteenth is the latest plans?. CHARLOTTE CUNNINGHAM: Yes they are the latest ones that have come in. TRUSTEE DICKERSON: I will make a Motion to Close the hearing. Do I have a seconded. TRUSTEE KING: Seconded. TRUSTEE DICKERSON: All in favor. I will make a Motion to Approve the Wetland Permit to add second floor to existing single story frame house a new inground pool that will have a drywell for the backwash also to include repair of existing wood steps on bluff and deck. Located 17915 Soundview Avenue Southold, NY Do I have a seconded? TRUSTEE KING: Seconded. TRUSTEE DICKERSON: All in favor. ALL AYES 13.Patricia C. Moore, Esq, on behalf of PECONIC DESIGN & CONSTRUCTION CORP, request a Wetland Permit to do selective pruning and planting of native wetland species to be done. Located: Main Road, Southold. NY SCTM#66-2-2.2 TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Would anyone here like to comment on this application? PATRICIA MOORE: Yes, Patricia Moore, 51020 Main Road, Southold, The applicant has completed the house. As you can see from your inspection a lovely home has been built. What they would like to do. The owner is to add vegetation to supplement the existing vegetation that is there. There are two very rare trees that with some pruning I have provided a letter from Robert Jenksen from Doroski's Nursery. He would be doing the work. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: We saw that. PATRICIA MOORE: Rather than to prolong it I will stand here. You are moving so quickly tonight I do not want to break your stride. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Anyone have questions? PATRICIA MOORE: You have the black and white in your files. TRUSTEE DICKERSON: I have a question. The entire shoreline including the property next door is quite nicely vegetated . With wetland species it ha created a nice buffer. PATRICIA MOORE: It does have a lot of intrusive vines and it has been recommended that they actually be pruned and cleaned up. My 20 suggestion to them is that why don't you come in with a nice vegetated planting plan. So that your Board would know precisely what is going to be done. Rather than leaving it open ended. The rosa rugosa is in the wetland area. I think that the replacement with rosa rugosa and what they can do is add something that is an ingenious species that are already in place. NANCY KONGOLETOS: Nancy Kongoletos I own the lot next to this house. I just wanted to add that there is a lot of dead plants in that whole area. I think pruning is certainly mandatory. There is some enormous dead wild cherry trees and if you recall. The last time I spoke to the Board. I was very concerned about the dead cherry trees because it went over last winter So I am glad that no one was there at that time. Because that was an enormous tree. I just wanted to bring that to your attention. There is a lot of dead wood in there. I do think that it is a dangerous situation. Thank you. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: The only comment that I want to make. It is pretty consistent in not letting people manicure a buffer area. As we did with the young lady that spoke earlier. That we have been pretty consistent with that. If we let one person go ahead and manicure it. It will open the door to everyone else who wants to. We have denied people for different uses and activities within those buffer areas. I think it is important for the Board to be consistent PATRICIA C. MOORE: I would agree with you. But you have to be environmentally proactive too. Which is what the pruning we are not doing independently with people who do not know what they are doing. We are talking to Doroski trying to preserve some of the rare trees in there. My thought was that the blanket statement that we do not do it as a matter of policy. Does not really belong on a case to case bases. I would agree if someone was taking out everything and manicuring it. Manicuring would be pretty scrubs and things. But what they are trying to do is create a natural wetland indigenous species that they are trying to plant. This is a very expensive plan. Probably a plan that is Ten Thousand Dollars for the planting plan. So that is not something that people do as a manicure of the property. It is to maintain what is there and improve what is there. Plant species that are favorable. They are indigenous species that you should favor. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: But in some areas a lot of impact and in that little pond there. You have a pretty natural shore line. The east side, the north and all around the west side and we reviewed that on field inspection. The whole shoreline has not been cleared or impacted. PATRICIA MOORE: What you would like to consider TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: We are concerned with the fragmentations of that whole fringe of that whole waterway. PATRICIA MOORE: I understand that and I appreciate your concern. What we could consider I was hoping that Mr. Jenkins would be here. I thought he was going to be here. It was my understanding possibly the 21 area that you described could be planted with Rosa rugosa. That's south of the flood zone. You have the average high water mark and you have the area, which is going to be planted with Rosa rugosa. That area I guess kept natural. But it is the area landward that does not have right now natural vegetation. It has vines that are choking off some of the trees that the town is buying areas and open spaces because of the rare species of trees. So If it makes sense to take each case. Certainly look at each case on a case bases. We are not trying to manicure and create a lawn. What we are trying to do is enhance the natural vegetation of the wetland species that are there. We thought we gave you a plan because that is the directive that I gave Mr. Jenkins. In preparing this plan I said it should be something that you certainly endorse and we want it to be a model. So when people come to you and say. We want to do this, this and this and that. You're answer is that we do not want you to touch it. We want it to deteriorate and create it's own ego system. Because all of these vines are intrusive and it is not doing what you think or hope is the case. I believe we gave you a very environmentally suitable plan. If you want us to modifying it. We can go back to Mr. Jenkins and to what extent can you limit your activity. The area that is closest to the fringe to the wetland fringe. He is trying to do the right thing here. Right now if you note where the house is. You have an area of a lot of weeds. From where you stand at the house. You have a fringe of weeds and then you have vines and there are trees. There are trees that are in jeopardy. This property is quite valuable and they do not want to see it damaged in any way. Anyone who buys this house will be concerned with maintaining a vibrant area. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Thank you. Are there any other comments? PAUL NAHAS: Paul Nahas, I understand what is being said it appears to me if there are these rare trees in this environment. They grow in this environment nourished for a particular reason. Now you are talking about changing the environment that these rare species have grown in. I really would consider this. Before making a decision of what is going on. Thank you. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Good observation. Thank you. PATRICIA MOORE: I would like to interject. I have an application that Mr. Nahas is personally involved in which I am involved in. He is not an expert in this area. We have submitted an expert opinion as to the value of the vegetation that is there and the proposal. I would hope that our expert would out weight someone who has no interest in this property and is just making an intrude statements. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: If there is no other comment? I will make a Motion to close the hearing. We are going to withhold our vote right now. PATRICIA MOORE: If you want me to go to Mr. Jenkins and get additional data I would be happy to do that. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: That would be an amendment of the application at that point. 22 Y PATRICIA MOORE: I do not want to amend it. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: I do not want to lead you on. Direct you in a certain matter in the hope of the support of approval at some point of activity of that buffer area. PATRICIA MOORE: If you are inclined not to approve it. I would ask that this hearing remain opened so I can provide additional testimony by expert witnesses and my client can decided. What to do from that point forward. It just seems at this point I do not have my expert here and I would like to have him present to testify and create a further record. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Do I have a Motion to Close the hearing. I will make a Motion to Table the hearing. PATRICIA MOORE: That is fine. Thank you. TRUSTEE KING: Seconded. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: All in favor. ALL AYES 14.Patricia C. Moore, Esq. on behalf of DR. WILLIAM LOIS request a Wetland Permit for renovations to existing residence and detached garage — proposed covered porch along waterfront and all sides of house, 8x15 addition on west side of house in line with existing residence, dormer second floor, garage landward of existing residence, sanitary if required by Health Department, raise foundation if required. Located: 58105 North Road, Greenport, NY SCTM#44-02-08 TRUSTEE KING: Anyone here to speak on behalf of this application? PATRICIA C. MOORE: I Pat Moore I am here to respond to any questions. It is a relatively simple application. An existing residence that is going to be renovated. TRUSTEE KING: Conservation Advisory Council comments are. Recommends approval with the following recommendations: There is no encroachment seaward of the existing resident. Rip rap should be installed to slow down the erosion. A mound and swale should be installed above the coastal erosion hazard line to prevent run-off. PATRICIA MOORE: I think that the rip raft should be a separate application. I know that there was an application at one time. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: It was a separate and approved application. PATRICIA MOORE: I do not know the status of that one. I know that Cathy Mesiano had applied. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: I am sure that is a separate and approved application. PATRICIA MOORE: I think that the concern was with the DEC. Whether the DEC wanted to see rip-raft out there verses bulk heading. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: I think it was just a rip-raft application. It was granted. 23 Y •1 PATRICIA MOORE: It was granted awhile ago. But, I am not sure if the client. I do not know if he was prepared to build it out. It was being suggested that rip raft be used. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Doubtful. PATRICIA MOORE: Doubtful what? TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: That he would have received permission. PATRICIA MOORE: Apparently, I am sorry I am getting this third hand and Cathy Mesiano has been out of commission. So I have not been able to reach her to find out. I do not want to tie this renovation of the house to the rip raft because they may go at different times. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: We were not tying them in. PATRICIA MOORE: CAC was doing it. TRUSTEE KING: That was their comments. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: There is drainage from the roof run off. Which still drains out into the sound and that was a condition. PATRICIA MOORE: On which one? The permit that I was involved in. This property I do not know. They have not started any construction. TRUSTEE KING: There was a violation. PATRICIA MOORE: On this house? We can certainly remove the pipe when the construction takes place. The pipes he mentioned. The pipes are not his. TRUSTEE DICKERSON: They are right off the front of his lawn. They come right up his lawn PATRICIA MOORE: They are not a part of the vacant property. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: They come right out of his house. That has got to be another condition. Where is the septic system? PATRICIA MOORE The septic system right now is on the front of the house. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Which we would want to consider on the south side. PATRICIA MOORE: The south side of the house. They are not changing any number of bedrooms and bathrooms. So it maybe that the sanitary system is adequate. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: If it is located on the south side it is out of our jurisdiction anyway. PATRICIA MOORE: Because of the history on this. I put things in here I knew that the garage is out of your jurisdiction. I did not want any confutations. I included things that may not be included. No SWAT teams come in. I do not need one of those phone calls. I will verify where the sanitary system is? My memory is that it is on the south side of the house. The landward side of the house. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: I would like to see gutters and leaders to handle the roof-run-off here. PATRICIA MOORE: If you want to include it on your permit. Just include it as a condition of your permit. That is fine. Remove pipes. TRUSTEE KING: Interesting to see where these pipes come from? 24 ti ~ PATRICIA MOORE: He mentioned pipes but never mentioned where they came from? But he did not think that they were his. TRUSTEE KING: Is there a possibility that he may be raising the house? PATRICIA MOORE: I will explain that under the FEMA regulations. We keep the house the renovations to below the 50% of the value of the existing structure. The house does not have to be raised. However, during construction when you have existing residences sometimes there is riot and renovation work that suddenly you crepe up over that 50% but what I wanted to try to avoid is when you are right in the middle of construction to come back to this Board to amend the permit to raise the foundation to meet FEMA guidelines. So I included in there. Hoping that the plans are not to raise the house. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: What would be the total possible height? PATRICIA MOORE: Not even eighteen inches whatever inches it requires to meet elevation eleven. I believe it has to be eleven. Let me just double check. It is either eleven or twelve. Again I can provide that information to you. It should be. I do not believe that the surveyor marked it on the survey. It is elevation eleven AE. The house is in AE zone. So then the house would have to be at a minimum of eleven feet. It is almost there. As you know if the Building Department says that you t exceeded that fifty percent then you have to put one row of cement blocks to raise the house. TRUSTEE KING: Any other comments on this application? I will make a Motion to close the hearing. TRUSTEE DICKERSON: Seconded. TRUSTEE KING: All in favor. ALL AYES I will make a Motion to Approve the application with the stipulation that the pipes that are going off the lawn be removed, drywell and leaders for roof run-off. Do I have a seconded? TRUSTEE DICKERSON: Seconded. TRUSTEE KING: All in favor. ALL AYES TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Do I have a Motion to go back to the Regular Meeting? TRUSTEE KING: So moved. TRUSTEE DICKERSON: Seconded. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: We will go back to the work session for a minute. 25 Meeting Adjourned: 9:30 p.m. Respectfully submitted b Lirn�ingham flu Charlotte J. C Clerk, Board of Trustees' M a 1 f. t' Y j 1 Town Clerk, Town o-1 3 ou-l�^A.l 26