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SOUTHOLD, L. I., N. Y. 11971
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APPEALS BOARD
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CHARLES GRIGONIS,JR., Chairman
SERGE DOYEN,JR.
TERRY TUTH ILL
ROBERT J.DOUGLASS M_ I. N U_ T E_ S
Gerard P. Goehringer
FEBRUARY 28 , 1980
A regular meeting of the Southold Town Board of Appeals was
held on Thursday, February 28 , 1980 at 7 : 30 o 'clock P.M. at the
Town Hall, Main Road, Southold, New York 11971 .
Present were: Chairman Charles Grigonis, Jr. ; Member Robert
J. Douglass, Member Terry R. Tuthill, Member Serge Doyen, Jr. ,
Member Gerard P. Goehringer.
PUBLIC HEARING: Appeal , No. 2667 . Application of STANLEY- AND-
MARTA WIEPZYNSKI, Box 414 ,i West Valley Brook Road, Califon, New
Jersey 07830, for a Variance to the Zoning Ordinance, Article III,
Section 100-31 for approval of the insufficient width of two lots
to be established within a subdivision. Location of property:
11890 Soundview Avenue, Southold, New York; bounded north by Jen-
nings Estate, east by Jennings Estate, south by Hahn, west by
Sound View Avenue. County Tax, Map Item No. 1000-054-006-001 . ,
The Chairman opened the hearing at 7 : 31 P.M. by reading the
application for a variance, legal notice of hearing and affidavits
attesting to its publication in the' local and official newspapers,
Notice of Disapproval from. the Building Inspector and letter from
the Town Clerk that notification to adjoining property owners was
made; fee'paid $15. 00 .
CHAIRMAN: We have a map showing how you plan ,to .set, off one
acre, 40, 000 out of it. Is there anything else you- would 'like to
add to it. other than what is here. You: would"-'wind up, the way
you have, it here, one of the lots would have 144 .55 footage and
the other one would have 144 . 56 actually with that little , angle ' ,.
in there.
MR. WIEPZYNSKI : Right, approximately.
CHAIRMAN: Does anyone else have anything to say in favor of
this application? (There was no response. ) Does anyone have
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anything to say against it? (There was no response. )
TERRY TUTHILL: I 'd like to ask a couple of questions.
Which piece will your house be on when it ' s divided.
MR. WIEPZYNSKI : On the one-acre parcel .
MR. TUTHILL: Now the remaining property is pretty much
4 raven of the lowland, isn't it?
MR. WIEPZYNSKI : No.
MR. TUTHILL: Is it flat?
MR. WIEPZYNSKT : It ' s an upward rise on Soundview Avenue.
MRS . WIEPZYNSKI : All of it is above Soundview Avenue.
MR. TUTHILL: It doesn't drop down low, like some of the
lots. in that area?
CHAIRMAN: No, that's east of your property, I think,
where it drops: to.
MR. WIEPZYNSKI: That ' s maybe 700 or 800 feet east--
MAS . WIEPZYNSKI: That ' s the west.
MR. TUTHILL: Up closer to Hickory Road, in that area.
MR. WIEPZYNSKI : Right.
MRS . WIEPZYNSKI : That really goes down low .
MR. TUTHILL: Do you plan on selling either one of these?
MR,. WIEPZYNSKI : Right now I just wanted it until I decide
what I decide to do.
MRS . WIEPZYNSKI : We know that we can't maintain the piece
as it is , one piece.
MR. TUTHILL: In other words , one acre you could rake the
leaves on, but-
MRS. WIEPZYNSKI : I mean, you know, we live in New Jersey
now; we were forced to move due to certain conditions. That' s
175 miles each way., and it takes us close to 4-1/2 hours to get
here and back. On the weekend it ' s pretty rough. We get out
here on the weekend, we cannot get gas . It ' s pretty bad. Last
summer it was very bad, and if we 're going to have it this way,
it would be a case of getting there because we have to get back
home.
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MR. TUTHILL: I don't think my question was in order. I
think it was more of curiousity than anything else.
MR. WIEPZYNSKI : That' s quite all right.
MR. TUTHILL: In . other words your property will have a
lawn and will keep it nice. Because really you don't have
to maintain woodland.
MRS . WIEPZYNSKI : No. We 've been in Southold now for
30 years, and I think we can maintain that property very well
and use it. We are not yearround residents but we maintain
the property, as though we were yearround which includes
Southold Patrol.
CHAIRMAN: Does anybody else on the Board have any questions?
'MR-, . TUTHILL: Mr. Chairman, we 've made the inspection of it,
and it doesn't appear to be an unreasonable request. The area
is there. It 's just a variation of a few feet on the frontage,
which is not going to change the character of the area, and I
move that this application for approval of a proposed lot to be
divided be approved as to the insufficient frontage. As I
understand it, it will have to go to the Planning Board to
approve the division. There are three contingencies that will
go along with that.
CHAIRMAN: If this approved, Planning Board approval for
the subdivision.
MRS . WIEPZYNSKI : In other words , divide the road frontage
in half has to be approved by the Planning Board?
CHAIRMAN: Well, the Planning Board can only approve some-
thing that ' s perfect, if that subdivision is perfect; if it' s
like this, lacks the frontage, they have to get a variance from
this Board to make it a legal lot and then they can approve it..
And then any further subdivision, there-_ be _ no further sub-
division without the approval of the Board of Appeals and the
Planning Board... And. then.. this._ will have to go to Suffolk County
for recommendations , too, but that is more or less formality.
This is what you' ll have to go through with.
After investigation and inspection, the Board . finds that
the applicants are requesting approval of insufficient road
frontage of two proposed parcels fronting on Sound View Avenue,
Southold, New York, 144 . 55 feet and 144 . 56 feet respectively;
one proposed parcel containing_, approximately 40, 000 sq. ft. and
the other containing approximately 2 . 485 acres. The Board finds
that properties in the neighborhood in comparison to the proposed
are similar, and such relief would not alter the character of the
locality nor decrease residential values in the area.
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The Board finds that strict application of the ordinance
Would produce practical difficulties or unnecessary hardship;
the hardship created is unique and would not be .shared by all
properties alike in the immediate vicinity of the property
and in the same use district; and the variance will not. change
the character of the neighborhood and will observe the spirit
of the ordinance.
On motion made by Mr. Tuthill , seconded by Mr. Doyen_,
it was
RESOLVED, that STANLEY and MARTA WIEPZYNSKI , Box 414 , Valley
Brook Road, Califon, New Jersey 07830, BE GRANTED a variance to
the Zoning Ordinance, , Article III, Section 100-31 approving the
insufficient width of two proposed parcels as applied for, SUB-
JECT TO THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS :
(1) Subdivision approval from the Southold Town Planning
Board;
(2) No further subdivision of the subject premises without
the prior written approval of the Board of Appeals and
the Planning Board of the Town of Southold;
(3) - Referral to the Suffolk County Planning Commis-
sion, if required.
Location of property: 11890 Sound View Avenue, Southold;
bounded north by Jennings Estate; east by Jennings Estate; south
by Hahn; west by Sound View Avenue. County Tax Map Item No.
1000-054-006-001 .
Vote of the Board: Ayes: Messrs. Grigonis , Douglass, Tut-
hill and Doyen. Messr. Goehringer abstained.
PUBLIC HEARING: Appeal No . 2668 . Application of RALPH H.
DICKINSON, c/o Wickham, Wickham & Bressler, P.C. , Box 1424 , Main
Road, Mattituck, New York, for a Variance to the Zoning Ordinance,
Article III , Section 100-31 for permission to construct dwelling
with an insufficient frontyard setback. Location of property:
Right-of-way off Great Peconic Bay Boulevard, Laurel; bounded
north by Graham and Hecht east.. by Arthur; south by Great Peconic
Bay; west by McDowell . County Tax Map Item No. 1000-128-006-005.
The Chairman opened the hearing at 7 :47 P.M. by reading the
application for a variance, legal notice of hearing and affidavits
attesting to its publication in the local and official newspapers;
Notice of Disapproval from the Building Inspector, and letter
from the Town Clerk that notification to adjoining property owners
was made; fee paid $15 . 00 .
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CHAIRMAN: This matter will be recessed until the next
meeting, March 20th. We have a letter in the file from the
attorney saying that she could not be present and asking that
this be postponed.
On motion made by Mr. Grigonis, seconded by Mr. Tuthill,
it was
RESOLVED, that the matter of RALPH H. DICKINSON in Appeal
No. 2668 be RECESSED until the March 20 , 1980 meeting of this
Board.
Vote of the Board: Ayes : Messrs . Grigonis, Douglass , Tut-
hill and Doyen. Messr. Goehringer abstained.
RESERVED DECISION: Appeal No. 2662 . Application of CHARLES
R. AND ROSE VAN DUZER, 1200 Parkway, Southold, New York for a.
Variance to the Zoning Ordinance, Article III, Section 100-32 for
permission to construct accessory structure exceeding height
limitations . Location of property: 1200 Parkway, Southold;
Southwood Subdivision Lot No. 7 , Map No. 2141. County Tax Map
Item No. 1000-70-10-44 .
CHAIRMAN: This matter is from the February 7 , 1980 meeting
at which time we reserved decision.
TERRY TUTHILL: Did anyone bring in the revised sketch?
CHAIRMAN: No.
Several of the Board members were out again to see Mr.
Van Duzer at his property and found that where Mr. Van Duzer-
has asked that the Antenna be placed is the best place, rather
than where the Board thought, closer to the residence.
After investigation and inspection, the Board finds that
the applicants ' request to construct the tower 15 feet from
the northerly side and more than 50 feet from the rearyard was
not unreasonable. The applicants plan to remove the 45-foot
roof antenna, which is unsafe and less secure compared to the
antenna tower proposed.
The Board finds that strict application of the ordinance
would produce practical difficulties or unnecessary hardship;
the hardship created is unique and would not be shared by all
properties alike in the .immediate vicinity of the property and
in the same use district; and the variance will not change the
character of the neighborhood and will observe the spirit of
the ordinance.
On motion made by Mr. Grigonis, seconded by Mr . Douglass,
it was
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RESOLVED, that CHARLES R. AND ROSE VAN DUZER, in Appeal No.
2662 , BE GRANTED a Variance to the Zoning Ordinance for permission
to construct antenna tower 50-foot, high, provided that said struc-
ture be constructed as applied for and not closer than 15 feet to
any side yard line.
Location of property: 1200 Parkway, Southold; Southwood Sub-
division Lot No. 7 , Map No. 2141. County Tax Map Item No. 1000-
70-10-44 .
Vote of the Board : Ayes : Messrs. Grigonis, Douglass, Tuthill
and Doyen. Messr. Goehringer ,abstained.
RESERVED DECISION: Appeal No. 2661. Application of DAWN .
ESTATES SHOPPING CENTER, 14 Dawn Drive, Centereach, New York for
a Variance to the Zoning Ordinance, Article III, Section 100-31
for approval of insufficient area and width of parcel to be estab-
lished within a proposed subdivision. Location of property:
Southeasterly side of Maple Lane, East Marion; bounded northeast
by Kaplan and Kavanagh; southeast by Crescent Beach Condominiums,
Gucer and Paulison; southwest by Maple Lane; northwest by Kavanagh;
County Tax Map Item No.. 1000-35-008-003 .,
After investigation and inspection, the Board finds that the
applicant is requesting approval . o.f insufficient width of 121 . 69
feet and insufficient area of 18 , 573 square feet of a parcel to
be established in a proposed subdivision. The lots in the immedi-
ate vicinity of the subject property have much less width, and
also are smaller in area than the subject parcel , Nand the
Board feels ' by the granting of this application, no change would
be made in the character of the neighborhood. However, the subject
parcel is in an M-1 Zone, and to permit multiple residences on
this small area of land would be inappropriate and unwarranted.
The Board finds that strict application of the ordinance would
produce practical difficulties or unnecessary hardship; the hard-
ship created is unique and would not be shared by all properties
alike in the immediate vicinity of the property and in the same
use district; and the variance will not change the character of
the neighborhood and will observe the spirit of the ordinance.
On motion made by Mr. Douglass, seconded by Mr. Grigonis, it
was
RESOLVED, that DAWN ESTATES SHOPPING CENTER, in Appeal No.
2661, BE GRANTED a Variance to the Zoning Ordinance approving
the insufficient width and area as applied for, of a parcel to
be established in a proposed subdivision, SUBJECT TO THE FOLLOW-
ING CONDITIONS :
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(1) Approval of the Subdivision by the Southold Town Planning
Board;
(2) That the existing buildings, and any futtihe proposed
structures, on the subject parcel, (known as Lot No. 4)
be used only for storage or for conferences . by the pro-
posed purchaser, Crescent Beach Condominiums, and shall '
never be used as living quarters or multiple-family,
or single-family residence (s) .
Location of property: Southeasterly side of Maple Lane, East
Marion; bounded northeast by Kaplan and Kavanagh; southeast by
Crescent Beach. Condominiums, Gucer and Paulison; southwest by
Maple Lane; northwest by Kavanagh. County Tax Map Item No.
1000-35-008-003 .
Vote of the Board: Ayes: Messrs. Grigonis, Douglass , Tuthill
and Doyen. Messr. Goehringer abstained.
On motion by Mr. Doyen, seconded by Mr. Tuthill, it was
RESOLVED, to approve twenty (20) Special Exception-Sign Renewals
for an additional period of one year, SUBJECT TO the Federal Highway
Beautification Act and Funding Laws for Highways if applicable.
Vote of the Board: Ayes: Messrs . Grigonis., Douglass, Tuthill
and Doyen. Messr. Goehringer abstained..
On motion by Mr. Douglass , seconded by Mr. Tuthill, it was
RESOLVED, to approve the minutes of the February 7, 1980
meeting of this Board.
Vote of the Board: Ayes : Messrs. Grigonis, Douglass, Tuthill
and Doyen. Messr. Goehringer abstained.
On motion by Mr. Douglass, seconded by Mr. Grigonis , it was
RESOLVED., to approve the minutes of the February 25 , 1980
Special Meeting of this Board.
Vote of the Board: . Ayes: Messrs. Grigonis , Douglass , Tuthill
and Doyen. Messr. Goehringer abstained.
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PUBLIC HEARING: Appeal No. 2665. Application of MATTITUCK
FREE LIBRARY, Main Road, Mattituck., New York for a Variance= to-
the zoning Ordinance, Article III, Section 100-30 for permission
to construct addition with.an as;.u>fficient, sideyard setback, and
for. permission to-waive- off-street-parking requirements, Article XI,
Section 100-112-A. Location of property: 13900 Main Road,
Mattituck; bounded north by Main Road (S .R. 25) , east .by Sacred
Heart Roman Catholic Church, south by Winiaz and Reeve, west by
Reeve, and Reeve Lumber & Woodworking Co Inc. County Tax Map
Item No. 1000-114-11-2 .
The Chairman opened the hearing at 8 : 00 P.M. by reading the
application for variance, legal notice of hearing and affidavits
attesting to its publication in the local and official newspapers,
Notice of Disapproval from the Building Inspector, and letter
from the Town Clerk that notification to adjoining property
owners was given; fee paid $15 . 00.
STEVE TSONTAKIS: I 'm Steve Tsontakis and I 'd like to speak
for this variance. We don 't have permission to use the church
parking lot. There has been tacit agreement that the Church
will allow us to use their parking lot, but they will not put
it in writing because of the obvious. insurance problems. And
a possible infringement on their ownership through eminent
domain, so we don't have permission in writing. But the parking
at least up till now has never been a problem at the library.
Everybody seems to be able to park up front. There hasn' t been
any record of any vehicular problems .or pedestrian safety problems
since the library was built in that area, therefore, we respect-
fully request the Board to grant this variance. Regarding the
sideyard, we would have to build a cockeyed building in order to
get it on, and it would severely curtail the utility of the exten-
sion and be very costly because of the angles we would have to
go through to get the building up. So we respectfully request
that be granted. And with regard to the Special Exception, the
land is agricultural zoned; however, the adjoining neighbors, ,are
all public business -- utility now, we 've got a lumber yard to one
side and a church on the other side, and adross the street we
have a funeral home, so I don 't believe that the character will
be changed in any regard, especially since this is only an exten-
sion of the existing use of the building which is a libary. We
respectfully request that the Special Exception- be granted for
this addition.
ARTHUR TILLMAN: I 'm President of the Board of Trustees of
the Library. There is kind of a hardship here money-wise, too.
We tried to raise $100, 000 on our., and we had ,all kinds of stuff,
auctions, dances and sales of all kinds, and we were only able
to raise $70, 000. So, if we have to put in this parking lot,
it' s really going to cut into a limited building budget already.
You know, the purpose of this thing was to build a library exten-
sion; we didn't anticipate getting involved in big parking lots
and things like that.
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CHAIRMAN: _ Does anyone else have anything to say in favor?
FRANK KUJAWSKI : I 'm in favor of it as a member of the Board
of Trustees. The library is a very well used library and right
now we 're one of the few places where handicapped people in
Southold Town, can find a library to use. It ' s a problem though
because our space is very limited. We have very little space
even for shelves and for storage of books. This is really a
minimum, minimum addition just to be able to better utilize
what we already have.
MR. TUTHILL: Thirty by 40, right?
MR. KUJAWSKI : Right. With a basement.
ROBERT DOUGLASS: May I ask you gentlemen a question? Don't
you use that library quite a bit as a meeting hall, having
lectures and different functions in there?
MR. KUJAWSKI : We do have talks . They are usually small
groups. I would say, maybe 15 , 20 people. Naturally school
kids come there periodically. There are in the summer time arts
and crafts programs for the kids in the town. But it' s not the
kind of thing that really draws the line on progress. You know,
being in the middle of Town we find more and more people biking
and walking to the library anyway. You know, all the neighborhood
kids all pile into a station wagon and are dropped off, and are
picked up later. You know, it' s not the kind of thing that draws
20 or 30 cars.
MR. TUTHILL: When you mentioned fund-raising activities ,
I know one of the things that I miss there that I wanted to see
was when they could have presented the slides of MAttituck as
it used to be. Just give me an idea how many people showed up
for some of your lectures , some of your concerts ; you've had
the Long Island Brass there, have you not?
MR. TILLMAN: I think in the past year that was probably
the biggest crowd draw in that it was so unusual, and I think
at that maybe we had 100, 125' people. I don't know. I wouldn't
expect that that would again be duplicated.
MR. KUJAWSKI : I 've done a solar talk there and we had 23
people. The Brass, I don 't know, I think there was around 20
people there.
MR. TILLMAN: The highway there, too, for some reason, it' s
real wide. I don't know why, it seems to widen out.
ANONYMOUS : Why the road is so wide ther-e .I don't know. It is
very wide, the skirt and the shoulder part there.
MR. TUTHILL: I think that ' s because all of the cars in
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front of the library and . in front of the funeral parlor have
worn all the grass off and it all looks like road.
CHAIRMAN: They've made parking lots on both sides.
MR. TUTHILL: I meant that seriously. I think it' s. been
used, and consequently you don't have long to make the road
look narrower. Certainly the concrete isn't any wider than it
is 300 feet away.
MR. TILLMAN: We don't think with the extension on there
there ' s actually going to be any much more usage. You know,
mainly for storage and things like that.
CHAIRMAN: Is there anyone here to speak against .this?
MR. DOUGLASS : If not, I. will make a motion that we reserve
decision until we have time to talk it over.
MR. TSONTAKIS : Is it necessary to tie the -- we 're running
into a little bit of a problem here if you could help us out. .
We separated the variance from the Special Exception because
we wanted to see if we could go ahead with the plans and bid
packages for the extension itself. We 're running a little bit
out of time now to do that, and if you could see your way clear
of making a decision on the use for an extension separating that
from the. Special Exception, from the variance of parking and
sideyard that would help us considerably in getting going and
getting this thing off dead center where we are today. We would
appreciate it.
MR. TUTHILL: Well , as a Mattituck resident that knows all
of you three people and probably most of the people that belong
to this library, of course, I would like to do what would make
you smile. I ' ll say this, that I go along with the use part
without any problem and I go along with the sideyard setback,
no problem. I think parking is the thing we may or may not be
able to do. And I don't mean in our discretion. I mean it may
be something that we just can't do, where you've got the land
even though there are• trees, , and that we may have to spend some
time on - because _basically the function of this Board is5 where
you've got a land hardship like a raven in the middle of a lot,
therefore you let somebody build much closer to the side line.
You really don't have any land hardship there. You've got the
trees, and unfortunately maybe some of them will have to come
down, but I don't think that we can, my personal feeling is .and
this what I ' ll express when we discuss this thing-- I just don't
believe we can waive the parking. We can set it up so it isn't
going to cost you a fortune, but I don't think we can take a
piece of the ordinance and just junk it. Whether you're the
Mattituck Free Library or Frank Kujawski or John Doe or the
Catholic Church or whatever, that is bothering me in doing the
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job I 'm supposed to do here. And I think probably that ' s what
this Board would like to discuss further.
CHAIRMAN: Well, you've hit the nail on the head just about
in the square, Terry.
MR. TUTHILL: I 'd like to make a motion on the use .
CHAIRMAN: Well , this is a separate application.
MR. TUTHILL: Well , they've been talking on both, so I 'm
lost here. I won't make a motion until after he has read the
application --
CHAIRMAN: I 'd just like to make this statement, too, that
we .are here to grant relief wherever we can, and we like to
explore every possibility of doing it, so that ' s why we reserve
decision on waiving the parking and we ' ll go right ahead into
the application No. 2666.
On ,motion by Mr. Douglass, seconded by Mr. Doyen, it was
RESOLVED, to RESERVE DECISION in the matter of the applica-
tion for a variance of MATTITUCK FREE LIBRARY, in Appeal No .
266:5.
Vote- of the Board: Ayes : Messrs. Grigonis, Tuthill, Doug-
lass, Doyen. Messr. Goehringer abstained.
PUBLIC HEARING: Appeal No. 2666 . Application of MATTITUCK
FREE LIBRARY, Main Road, Mattituck, New York for a Special Excep-
tion to the Zoning Ordinance, Article III, Section 100-30B, for
permission to use proposed addition for library use. Location
of property: 13900 Main Road, Mattituck; bounded north by Main
Road (S .R. 25) , east by Sacred Heart Roman Catholic Church,
south by Winiaz and Reeve, west by Reeve, and Reeve Lumber and
Woodworking Co. Inc. County Tax Map Item No. 1000-114-11-2 .
The Chairman opened the hearing and read the application
for a Special Exception. The reading of the remaining docu-
ments was waived by Mr. Tsontakis, a representative for the
Library.
CHAIRMAN: Is there anything more you would like to add to
this use application? You've probably already said all you
wanted to say.
MR. TSONTAKIS : Yes. I jumped the gun. (Mr. Tsontakis
made statements regarding this application in the previous
hearing of Mattituck Free Library in Appeal No. 2665 for a
variance.thins date. )
CHAIRMAN: Do any of you have any questions on this, Bob?
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MR. DOUGLASS : No, no.
CHAIRMAN: About the extension, and the sideyard?
MR. DOUGLASS : Special Exception? No. Well, the sideyard
request is in the one that we recessed, isn't it?
CHAIRMAN: No . This is the application for the sideyard.
MR. DOUGLASS : This one is on the use of the property.
CHAIRMAN: This one is just for the use, right. How do you
feel about it, Terry?
MR. TUTHILL: I 'm a little confused about which is in what
application.
MR. TSONTAKIS : We made two applications . One was for a
Special Exception on use--
MR. TUTHILL: That' s a separate one .
CHAIRMAN: That ' s this one now.
MR. TSONTAKIS : That ' s being addressed now. And the previous
one was for a Special Exception for two points , one is the parking
and the other is the sideyard.
MR. TUTHILL: Variance on the sideyard.
' MR. DOUGLASS : That ' s right. Variance for that and the park-
ing. The Special Exception is the use of the land in a nonconforming,
agricultural area.
MR. TUTHILL: This is a nonconforming use. Then without going
any further, I move that we approve this application, to approve
the continued use as a library with an extension.
CHAIRMAN: - Subject to the Site Plan approval .
MR. TUTHILL: Subject to Site Plan .approval by the Planning
Board, right.
After investigation and inspection, the Board finds the
following: That the entire parcel of land owned by the applicant,
Mattituck Free Library, contains approximately 66 , 000 square feet
of land; that the existing building has a floor area of 2830
square feet and the applicant proposes. to construct an addition
at the rear of the existing building and in the sideyard area for
library use which will have 1200 square feet, thus , the total
floor area of the existing and proposed structure will compose
4030 square feet. The Board also finds that the existing and
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proposed structure is located on the northerly one-third of the
lot, and that the entire remaining two-thirds is unoccupied. The
Board finds that the applicant has not shown any hardship or
difficulty in complying with the parking requirements of the
zoning code. The Board does find that by reason of the location
of the existing building that a hardship would exist with respect
to the proposed addition if the same were required to have a
sideyard setback of 50 feet, and for which the applicant has
requested approval 'of an insufficient sideyard setback of 30
feet in Appeal No. 2665 .
The Board finds that by the granting of this Special Excep-
tion the orderly and reasonable use of surrounding properties
will not be prevented; that the use granted herein will not
adversely affect the safety, health, welfare, comfort and con-
venience or the order of the town; and that the use will be in
harmony with and promote the general purposes and intent of
the zoning ordinance.
On ,motion by Mr. Tuthill, seconded by Mr. Douglass , it was
RESOLVED, that the MATTITUCK FREE LIBRARY, in Appeal No.
2666 be GRANTED a Special Exception to the Zoning Ordinance
for permission to construct an addition to the library for
library purposes, SUBJECT TO THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS :
(1) Site Plan and Parking Approval of the Southold Town
Planning Board;
(2) Referral to the Suffolk County Planning Commis-
sion.
Location of property: 13900 Main Road, Mattituck; bounded
north by Main Road (S .R. 25 , east by Sacred Heart Roman Catholic
Church, south by Winiaz and Reeve, west by Reeve and Reeve
Lumber and Woodworking Co. Inc. County Tax Map Item No. 1000-
114-11-2 .
Vote of the Board: -Ayes: Messrs . Grigonis , Douglass, Tut-
hill and Doyen. Messr. Goehringer abstained.
Member Terry R. Tuthill left the room briefly at 8 : 35 .
PUBLIC HEARING: Appeal No. 2663 . Application of DWIGHT W.
WEIST, 160 East 48th Street, New York, New York 10017 (By
Rudolph H. Bruer, Esq. ) for a Variance to the Zoning Ordinance
Article III, Section 100-32 for permission to construct acces-
sory structure in frontyard area. Location of property:
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Right-of-way off Paradise Point Road, Southold; bounded north by
Roseman; east by Southold Bay; south by Callis; west by Krupski.
County Tax Map Item No. 1000-81-3-27 . 2 .
Member Terry R. Tuthill returned at 8 :38 P.M.
The Chairman opened the hearing at 8 : 38 P.M. by reading the
application for variance, legal notice of hearing and affidavits
attesting to its publication in the local and official newspapers,
-Notice of Disapproval from the Building Inspector, and letter from
the Town Clerk that notification to adjoining property owners was
made; fee paid $15. 00.
CHAIRMAN; Does anyone wish to say anything for this applica-
tion?
RUDOLPH H. BRUER, ESQ. : Rudolph Bruer, Southold, and I 'm
here for Mr. Weist. I think the application pretty well speaks
for itself, and I think that examination is self-explanatory.
Mr. Bruer brought �up a copy of the survey showing the
proposal.
CHAIRMAN: Yes, we have the same map. The right-of-way is
right off here, this is his frontyard, and this is the water
down here. Does anyone wish to speak against this? (There
was no response. )
MR. TUTHILL: I have no questions. I 'm ready to make a
motion.
CHAIRMAN: Bob, do you. have anything more to say on the Weiss
application?
MR. DOUGLASS : No.
After investigation and inspection, the Board finds that the
applicant is requesting permission to construct a . garage in frontyard
area, which -frontyard area covers a very large portion -of-hia parcel
due to the location of the access into the parcel.
The Board finds that the:circumstances-present in this case
are unique, and that__.strict_,:appl.ication of the ordinance..would
produce .p`racti6al difficulties or.__unnecessary` hardship..-_ The
Board believes .that .the grant-of -a_ variance in this case will
not change the character of the neighborhood and will observe
the spirit of the zoning ordinance.
On motion by Mr. Tuthill, seconded by Mr. Doyen, it was
RESOLVED, that DWIGHT W. WEIST in Appeal No. 2663 , BE GRANTED
a Variance to the Zoning Ordinance for permission to construct
Southold Town Board of Appeals -15- February 28, 1980
garage in frontyard area as applied for herein, SUBJECT TO the
:referral _to the Suffolk County Planning Commission pur-
suant to Section 1332 of the Suffolk County Charter.
Location of property: Right-of-way off Paradise Point Road,
Southold; bounded north by Roseman; east by Southold Bay; south
by Callis; west by Krupski. County Tax Map Item No. 1000-81-3-
27 .2
Vote of the Board: Ayes: Messrs . Grigonis, Tuthill, Doug-
lass and Doyen. Messr. Goehringer abstained.
PUBLIC HEARING: Appeal No. 2656 . Application of FISHERS
ISLAND DEVELOPMENT CORP. , Fishers Island, New York 06390 , for
a Variance to the Zoning Ordinance, Article VII, Section 100-71
for approval of insufficient area, width, frontyard and sideyards
of parcels to be established within. a subdivision. Location of
property: Fox Lane, Fishers Island, New York; bounded north by
Gada; east by Fox Lane; south by .Town of Southold; west by Long
Island Sound. County Tax Map Item No. 1000-12-001- part of 001.
The Chairman opened the hearing at 8 : 45 P.M. by reading the
application for a variance, legal notice of hearing and affidavits
attesting to its publication in the local, official and Fishers
Island (The Day) newspapers, Notice of Disapproval from the Build-
ing Inspector, and letter from the Town Clerk that notification
to adjoining property owners was made; fee paid $15 . 00.
CHAIRMAN: Dick, do you have something that you want to add
or correct or anything?
RICHARD F. LARK, ESQ. : Good evening. When I first got this
application f.rom'Mr. Noyes who ' s the President of FIDCO, I tried
to talk him out of it, because any property -- the application
first of all tells you what ' s proposed to be done, and as I
indicated, I tried to talk him out of it because the zoning ordi-
nance requires 30, 000 square feet and it requires 150-foot lot
width; and I couldn 't understand for the life of me why he would
only want to carve of a 10 . 2-acre parcel a lot which is only, as
the application said, some 65 by 120 , 7800 square feet, which
would be way under the zoning ordinance. And then Mr. Noyes gave
me a slight education of Fishers Island, and suggested that I
take a look at the property before I pre-judge the application
and require more, because it meant really nothing to FIDCO, the
applicant, to give more land. But as Mr. Noyes pointed out to me,
he said, "This is virtually the only piece of undeveloped business
property left on the entire island of Fishers Island" ; and as you
gentlemen know having lived here longer than I, and Mr. Doyen
living on the Island, it was just by a geographical freak that
Fishers Island is a part of New York of the Town of Southold to
begin with. Not, the State of Connecticut . But as it turns out I did
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some research at Mr. Noyes '�-request and there is , that I can find,
I 'm not saying this is the only one, Mr. Doyen can correct me,
there is only one other small parcel of land that ' s undeveloped
on Fishers Island. that ' s zoned commercial or business; and that' s
an acre parcel up across, by the Legion Hall, that' s -owned by I
believe Mr. Batuyious in his connection with his construction busi-
ness and it' s a vacant piece. Other than that, the only thing of
undeveloped property .we have on Fishers Island is this piece. Ok.
MR. TUTHILL: The 10 . 2 acres?
MR. LARK: The 10 .2 acres owned by FIDCO that's undeveloped
business property, that hasn't got something on it that ' s - being
used. So, I said well , why not give more. So, then I. saw the
topography and saw what Mr. Noyes was getting at, and virtually
that 10-2 acres; I. hay.e a little sketch of it, supposedly all the
surveys are done by an outfit over in New London and I couldn't
get a real accurate survey of it. But this is a sketch of the
10 . 2 acres, roughly, and as I say, Mr. Doyen can correct me, I ' ll
just kind of run around it with a pen. Now, out of that 10 . 2--
MR-. DOYEN:, Well, we have these.
MR. LARK: Yes, those are tax maps . I 've also got here, which
will be a little help v- I. have to have it for the Planning Board,
a topography% of the immediate area, which I think will be helpful
and sliow what I am talking about. Out of the 10.2 acres, three
acres are consumed by the old gunning placements., which curiously ,
enough is- used by the Town of Southold virtually as gratis. to burn
the refuse on the Island, which is considered a necessary thing to
service the people, burn their garbage, like we used to do before
the regulations got after us in Town. So these old gunning place-
ments are used for that as I understand it, and the Town virtually
doesn't have to pay for trucking of the garbage and disposing of
the garbage. FIDCO virtually lets them use it.
MR. DOYEN: You might use this.. I had these pictures
taken. That is the gunning placement you're talking about. This
is the building and that ' s part of the gunning placement immedi-
ately to the rear of the proposed structure.
MR. LARK: Which shows on that map---Mr. Douglass has, so that ' s-
and here, he ' s got the pictures. Now, about three acres of this
10-acre piece is chewed up that way. You know, used the old
gunning placements of the old fort. Four -acres is waste land.
It ' s cliffs, marshland, rocky .shoreli.ne, which will-, even though
it' s zoned business,; - zoned industrial, it could be zoned any-
thing you want. It ' s not going to be used. What you see there
today is what you are going ,to see for a long, long time to come
because, not only the ecological considerations of the ecology
but also the practical.. You can't develop it when it' s rocks,
cliffs and marshland. That ' s four acres approximately.
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MR. DOYEN: There is an elevation also .
MR. LARK: Yes, very steep. I don't know. That ' s what I
was trying to get from Chandler & Palmer, and I don 't have.
MR. DOYEN: Well, generally speaking I agree with you that
it' s generally useless.
MR. LARK: As for developmental property. Right. Now that
leaves about three acres left. As you probably know or don' t
know, this end of the Island and going right by the property
which is the- sub ect of you on Fox Lane is not only water lined
because it ' s served by the water company but also has a sewage
line. Now, the government and the health department have gotten
after the people on Fishers Island because the sewage is put
right out into the ocean or the sound raw. It ' s going to have
to be a treatment plant. FIDCO has- agreed to this, but between
the Federal , State and the County, they can 't get together
whether it should be a secondary treatment or a tertiary, who
is going to provide the funding, where it' s going to go, you
know, they're in a mess . Again Mr. Doyen can back that. That
end of the Island is going to be serviced. It' s all sewered
now. That has to be a treatment plant. Now if it goes to a
tertiary plant, less acreage is involved. But if it goes to
a secondary plant, they tell me there are different systems
there. Maybe more acreage is involved.
CHAIRMAN; The bigger the area the better•
MR. LARK: Oh, is that what the deal is . All right. But
FIDCO is in a bind because they don't know exactly the size
nor the exact location. FIDCO really did not want to sell any
property of this 10.2-acres at all . That was their initial
thing, but after Rodriguez who runs this upholstery business
which is considered a necessary business on the Island for the
people that live there, especially the summer people, he said
he longer can continue operating. And I guess virtually the
shack that he is operating in now, he was going to have to fold
up. He couldn 't do it. He had to have a more modern plant to
meet the costs of , what he had to do, his . storage, and appar-
ently the building is unsuitable. In fact as part of the deal,
he has agreed to knock that building down. ; I think that is a
very important consideration to keep in mind; we 're not increas-
ing the use of his property. All he is doing is going to knock
down his old business and construct a modern one next to it.
Now, let me go on. So, another pressure FIDCO has , and Mr.
Doyen again can back this up. ' I understand they are down to
one grocery store on the Island, and some people feel that this
is not healthy, not good for competition obviously. You got
total control. And there is some talk of starting up another
grocery store on the Island. FIDCO has made available or will make
available if it can be worked out, this building across. the
street called former army barracks, which I showed you on this
- ,Southold Town Board of Appeals -18- February 28 , 1980
exhibit, as a possible grocery store. But not an A & P Supermar-
ket. You've got to keep in mind where you're at. You're on
Fishers Island. But .another grocery store. Now, if--
MR. DOYEN: This building?
MR: LARK: Yes, that building. That' s correct. I remember.
Now, if the, grocery store, or a sort of an IGA or something is
put in there , there is no parking for that parcel, so FIDCO would
make . available because you got to remember, even though they are a
private corporation, they have the interest of the Island at heart,
not only because of the acreage they control and own, but because
they want to see its development. They want to try to protect
what is there and keep that way of life there. So, they've agreed
that if they did that they would have to provide a parking space.
That parking space would come probably where Rodriguez ' building
is right now, the immediate building, and south, why? Because it ' s
level. You can see on the topographical map I 've given you here
how hilly it gets behind. They could put a suitable parking area
on Fox Lane there. Now, I can 't tell you that a supermarket is
going to go there or a grocery .market is going to go there because
as Mr. Noyes said, they might not want this building and they might
erect a building over here south of where it ' s at. He says,
"I wish the application never came in. I don't want to divide
anything here . " But he says, "You've got to keep in mind, we own
the only practical piece of property that can be used for any busi-
ness expansion and therefore we- don',t want to sell any more than
we have to sell to private land owners than any more than they
need. " So after I looked at the property and after I went over
it with Mr. Noyes., I could see the validity of his request of
making an application for a lot 65 by 120 . Because that ' s all
Rodriguez needs. You got to keep in mind this does not require
parking. This doesn't generate a lot of traffic . This is a
custom-type business.
CHAIRMAN: Two or three at the most.
MR. LARK: Tops. His car ' and maybe one or two customers.
Ok: Now, Mr. Noyes or the FIDCO is not concerned if you want
to impose any reasonable covenants so we don't create a Mac-
Donald ' s or high-use thing out of here. . That is not the intent.
I know it' s got water and sewer to it so I 'm not worried about
those 100-foot problems I have with the cesspools and the wells.
And I 'm not concerned about any .reasonable covenants because
Rodriguez wants to buy it for himself. It ' s represented to you
that it' s to be continued and to be used as an upholstery business
which is a low-volume business as far as traffic , etcetera. It' s
mostly custom. He gets the work; picks a lot of it up; delivers
it to his shop; repairs it; builds it; do whatever he wants and
brings it back. But he no longer can operate in the building that
he is in. And as curiously enough when I had the surveys it
shocked everybody. Nobody knew that Rodriguez ' building is
Southold Town Board of Appeals -19- February 28 , 1980
encroaching into a public road. Because you've got to understand
. Fishers -Island. We don't have standard roads over there, and if
the whole entire neighborhood on this end of the Island does not
have huge auramic properties that conform to today' s- zoning, nor
do they have proper setbacks, rearyard, sideyard, frontyard, or
whatever. They're right on the street. There is virtually no
parking in a lot of them. Now, this building by setting it .back
some 25 feet will .allow some proper parking in the front. You
got to remember I can't push the building too far back because
it starts running uphill , because you can see the gradience there
in getting into the gunning placements as you saw in the pictures.
So, FIDCO is in kind of a bind, and this is unique. They're
trying to accommodate the people of the Island by letting Rod-.
riguez survive in our being to operate this particular type of
business. They think that' s for the good of the Island, and
in order for him to continue, he ' s got this butler-type build-
ing, you know, this metal-'type -structure that he wants to put
up. Because again, as I thought the application was too small,
I wanted a bigger parcel , but when I got over there and saw the
primary three reasons that FIDCO had for limiting the size, I
thought the application had merit and _that ' s why I presented it
the way I have, rather because it would serve no use to make
this a 15 , OOO-square-foot parcel, a 12 , 000 or 20 , 000 or a 30; 000.
Sure, I could go back,make it 30, 000 and kick the Town out. Then
what do we do, burden .all the taxpayers by trucking the garbage
off? You know. You see, you get into a revolving situation
here. Taking, all the factors into consideration, - and I 'm not
going to re-read to you the petition because you've read that,
you know what wants to be used, I respectfully move that you
seriously consider and grant the application. I ' ll answer any
questions you have particularly with Mr. Doyen who knows the
property and any of you who have been over there know what I
am trying to say. It ' s sort of like a Bermuda-type thing, that
everything is really close together, and even though 10 acres
looks like a lot of land, it isn't ten acres. Because a lot
of it ' s wasteland, plus I got that dog-gone secondary or
tertiary treatment plant that ' s going to be built, whether it' s
next year or the year after; whatever , they said, "Look, it' s
got to go in. " FIDCO has agreed that it will go in; it' s just.
a question of how much and what government funding is going to
pay for it.
CHAIRMAN: In fact, a lot of. this lot can't be used anyway.
MR. LARK: No, as ,a practical matter. But we tried to get
a reasonable proportion. Because I was troubled by, you know,
what it was. L' said why don 't you let Rodriguez stay there as
a nonconforming use. Apparently, in our regulations, in order
to modernize this building, you know, to tear it down and
recreate it, he has to get permits; and there again we are
in violation, but what was curiously enough as it turned out
to be, it is an encroachment on a public road, so that ' s public
knowledge. Up until I had that survey nobody knew that. But,
Southold Town. Board of Appeals -20- February 28 , 1980 .
again, Fishers Island is unique, it' s different.. I don't think
the application should be criticized without knowing all the
facts, and what FIDCO, and what I 'm trying to ,stress upon you
peo-p.le,,, what .F..IDCO is:, .charged with is the. responsibility for the
.proper development of that Island, particularly the western end
where the business is because if they can't develop this piece,
the Island grows or more modernization, or whatever, there is
going to be . pressure to 'develop some of other FIDCO' s land for
busa�ess use and they do not want to make any application . on
the eastern part of the Island to convert that to any business
type of .use, and .if you're familiar with the Island, you know.
what I 'm talking about. So therefore they are very zealous. on .
how they are going to manage this particular portion of the Island,
and as you probably know from the history, or Mr. Doyen should, .
would tell you, they bought it from the government because the
government was just throwing the whole thing wholesale on the
market, and. FIDCO felt the, responsibility and went into the hock-
to do it', to' buy up from the government a lot of the .surplus
property, so it would not be wantonly and discriminately developed
and that is something important to keep in mind. They1ve carried
this land for a number, of years of really no benefit for themselves
but benefit to the - people of the Island because they felt that the
time was,. going to come when they were going- to,.,have to provide for
proper services. Right now- they consider thisy and the people. of
the Island do, as a proper service to the people, the upholsttery
shop. There is going to be pressure. FIDCO feels that enough
people want it, another grocery store for competition is going
to have to be put over there because it' s not right the situation
they have. Plus we have, with the government breathing down their
necks, and once the Federal -and, the County and the State get
straightened out,. there will be some kind of a treatment plant
there. The lines are all in. That' s all done'. But what has to
be done, is , the exact size of the plant.
MR. DOYEN: I was under the. impression F=hDCO owns that
building.
MR. LARK: Yes . They do.
MR. DOYEN: I thought they did, but I wasn't 1000 sure.
MR. TUTHILL: He ..owns those army buildings?
MR. LARK: Yes.
MR. DOYEN: The whole area looks like that for about 10 acres
now.
CHAIRMAN: These are the army barracks we are talking about-
right next door?(pictures brought by,.,Mr' -- Doyen')
MR. LARK: That' s right. Now, whether FIDCO can convert that
economically, or tear it down and put,, one across the street, the
point is, ,. that they feel that there ' s going to be a need for a
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shopping area up there-and this is a logical place to put it.
Those are the reasons for cutting down the-- the price was not
the point. Whether he gets 30, 000 or 12 , 000 the price is the
same. It ' s not a question of price with them. It ' s a question
of giving - him what he needs and for the proper use. Now,. if you
want to, as a Board say, "Well , ok, I understand what you're
saying, but we think we should put some kinds of restrictions
because of the fact that we don 't want a restaurant there, or
a lot of traffic business . " I .think it' s perfectly reasonable
to limit the property to a personal-service business, which won' t
generate a lot of traffic . I don 't think Mr. Doyen would disagree
because he knows the operator who is there, he knows what "s going
in there, but I know, the guy could die a couple of years from
now, and the business might be transferable. You couldn't find
a more decent upholsterer. And the other type of personal service
which would not generate a lot of traffic, you know, . like I say,
FIDCO is the last thing they want as problems here, because as
I say, they feel responsible for the development of this and I
just wanted you as a Board to know that all you have, 10 . 2 acres
and this looks like .a ridiculous request, it ' s not when you
consider four acres is chopped up in topography, wasteland, rocks,
meadow, .swamp. Three acres are going to go, are used right now
chewed up with those gunning placements and used by the Town of
Southold by' the way to provide a service especially to the year-
round residents of this, you know, refuse. And when you consider.
that, I 've. already eliminated seven acres. And they don't know
what the government ' s going to take on the treatment plant, so
they've only, got about. three acre-s• of - actual development on the
ten-acre piece that makes any sense , and that' s what they want to
meter out very cautiously, and that' s the thoughts of the corpora-
tion and that ' s the reason for the application. ' And until I saw.
I wasn't buying it. I said, "I can't understand you have 10
acres, why you don't make it 30, 000 square feet with 150-foot lot
width, " until I found out that I was in the middle of a gunning
placement, and what do I do with the Town of Southold who is
there for a $1 . 00 a year, you know.
CHAIRMAN: When you look at something like this.
MR. LARK: And another thing , I think it' s important to the
Board, I do not think you're creating an unfavorable or a bad
precedent for the Town of Southold: (a) you're on Fishers Island,
that' s unique in itself, (b) this particular property is the
only business property left and' it' s a unique. property. I explained
to you the uniqueness of it. And I think the neighborhood is not
being destroyed by putting a modern building up there on a small
piece of property in relationship to what the other pieces .of
property in the neighborhood, which the Board can either see from
tFie tax map or the other maps before you, the different construc-
tion and so on and so forth, because don 't forget, you back up
then on the school and then on the fort, which we 're talking about.
I have nothing more to say. I 'll shut up with that. But, I had
.to explain that to you because you can't put that in the application
what I just said. Because you have to go over there and see it.
,Southold Town Board of Appeals -22- February 28 , 1980
I didn't believe it until I saw it, and I knew some of you have .
seen it. He (Mr. Doyen) lives there and he knows what it ' s like.
MR: DOYEN: Bob Douglass was over there.,
MR. DOUGLASS : I was there .
MR. LARK: Because it looks on the surface, this is ludicrous
with modern standards, but it' s.,not, when you consider where you
are.
MR. TUTHILL: Well, that' s what struck me first, I said,
"What kind of nonsense is this?,"
MR. LARK: Yeah, until I went and saw it.
CHAIRMAN: Well, we would be getting that building out of the
road, too .
MR. TUTHILL: Well , you're going to do away with your. encroach-
ment, are you not?
MR. LARK: Oh, yeah, the building, that ' s part of the contract.
That goes. Well you saw it--
MR. DOYEN: It ' s ready to fall down, literally.
MR. LARK: It' s a shack. I mean, you can't hate a guy for
saying, "How do I make a buck on something like that. "
MR. TUTHILL: No, but I mean, he is going to move his building?
MR. DOYEN: He is going to tear it down.
MR. LARK: He is going to tear it down. He ' s going to erect
the new one, the slab.
MR. DOYEN: The new building starts right here,; So you_re�
- doing it as;!-.there' s no--
MR. LARK: They are giving it to him across, that' s another
thing. I want to stay out of family. That ' s another matter.
This one .gave me a lot of problems, though, really, you know,
from the zoning point of view. Well , you've got to see it.
. That ' s the thing. I didn't believe it until I saw it.
MR. DOYEN: That ' s the gunning placement right here, and
that ' s cement there just covered over with dirt.
CHAIRMAN: Is there anybody else here for it? Is there
anybody against this application? (There was no response. )
MR. DOUGLASS : I 'll make a motion that we reserve decision
Southold Town Board of Appeals -23- February 28 , 1980
on it until we can sit down and see what we want to put on there
for restrictions.
MR. LARK: I suggested a personal-service type business
which upholstery is.
On motion made by Mx. Douglass , seconded by Mr. Tuthill, it
was
RESOLVED, to RESERVE DECISION in the matter of the applica-
tion of Fishers Island Development Corp. in Appeal No. 2656 .
Vote of the Board: Ayes : Messrs. Grigonis, Douglass , Tut-
hill and Doyen. Messr. Goehringer abstained.
PUBLIC HEARING;. Appeal No. 2657 . Application of FISHERS
ISLAND DEVELOPMENT CORP. , Fishers Island, New York 06390, for
a Variance to the Zoning Ordinance, Article VII, Section 100-71
Article XIV, Section 100-114 , for approval of insufficient area
and width of parcels to be established within a proposed subdivi-
sion. Location of property: Greenwood Road, Fishers Island,
New York; bounded north by Town of Southold; east by Congrega-
tional Christian Churches; south by Greenwood Road; west by
Barmacle and Town of Southold. County Tax Map Item No.'
10.00-012--001--013 .
The Chairman opened the hearing at 9 :35 P.M. and the read-
ing of.the legal notice was waived. The Chairman read the
Notice of Disapproval from the Building Inspector and applica-
tion for a variance, and stated that on file 'are a letter from
the Town Clerk that notification to adjoining property owners
has been made and affidavits attesting the.,,ddvertisement in the
local and official newspapers. Fee paid $15 . 00.
Member Gerard P. Goehringer left the room between 9 :35 & 9 :37 .
RICHARD F . LARK, ESQ. : As I explained to you before, FIDCO
had purchased this from the government, the old Fort Wright,
and found themselves as you see, I just want to check with the
maps that you do have, found themselves with four houses now.
These houses have been occupied, . it ' s not like it has stayed
vacant since they've owned it, in fact, yes, he has pictures
of them, can you marry them to the lots?
MR. DOYEN: That' s it (photographer of four houses) . You
can just look down the row.
MR: LARK: Ok. Here you have them and see what they were.
I guess, yes , here it is, right down the street. . They were
officers ' quarters .
MR. TUTHILL: Two family.
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MR. LARK: Some of them. Not all of them.
MR. DOYEN: No, one is single. The picture of the single
one is there, and the duplex is the same as the other three.
MR: LARK: FIDCO has used them; you've heard some other
applications last spring. They used them primarily to house
their personnel that worked on their golf course and country
club on the east end of the Island, as FIDCO used them for
housing right through last summer , and then when the Boards
had given permission to let FIDCO put these personnel on the
golf course property up by the country club and out on the--
for the maintenance personnel , FIDCO had had no use for these.
These are all very substantial buildings , so they saw what they
could do with them because they just didn' t want them to go
vacant or disrepair, and neither does FIDCO want to be a land-
lord and be in the landlord business , you know, be in the
rental business. So, they put them on the market and they
found satisfactory customers for each and every one of them.
When they came to me, then said, "Can we sell them?" I said,
"You're gonna have to get, really and technically, a subdivision
of this even though these houses are there, and they could be
considered nonconforming, you can sell them all to one and he
could rent them out. " He said, "No , we don 't want to do that.
We want to sell them to individual landowners. They'll fix
them up between that they are and they will take care of them
and they're too substantial to knock down. " So in hence, the
application, it was referred to the Planning Board and I think
the Planning Board referred something back to you. Now it' s
interesting to know, - and Mr. Doyen can comment if you would
on it, that what FIDCO did was , when they agreed to sell these
since it would be going out of FIDCO' s hand, and again with
their responsibility to keep this end, of ,the Island not only
looking nice but on the proper development, they got permission
from the Ferry District and agreed to do some landscaping which
is right to the north as you can see in the application, and so
they are going to put in an attractive landscaping all along in
here. So if you have the big map, the key map, I don 't know if
he shows one on there, here we go, you can then see as you come
into the harbor that this will all be an attractive set-up
rather than the way it is now.
MR. DOYEN: I 'd like to comment. They've already processed
to a great extent the landscaping.
MR. LARK: They have? Ok, when I was there they had not
done the landscaping. It was pointed out where they were going
to do the landscaping to make the harbor thing attractive, ok.
And that was part of the consideration to induce responsible people to
buy these houses, and they're going to be used primarily, let ' s
face it as weekend retreats and summer homes and things of that
nature. Another thing you ought to keep in mind is right to the
east, I guess, north, west people by the name of Barmache had
applied a year or so ago, I don't know, you have the application.
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You allowed them in, --
CHAIRMAN: March of 1979.
MR. LARK: March, 1979, to purchase the property and keep it
as a two-family situation on virtually the same acreage. I -don' t
think you can quivel with the engineer or the surveyor in the' way
he drew the sideyard lines . Where else are you going to draw them,
I mean, it sits in a half-dozen, you know, of the other as to
where you want to move .them.
MR. DOYEN: They're equitably divided.
MR, LARK: Proportionately. You got to also remember that
this is sewered and watered, Fishers Island Water Company, and
again this will go into that sewage treatment plant that I talked
to you about right now, and I suppose going into the ocean. Nobody
wants to talk about it but I guess that' s where it's going. It ' s
one of those things nobody wants to talk about but that ' s where
it ' s going.
MR. GOEHRINGER: Is there heat in it all? Are these heated
and all?
MR. LARK: Oh, sure. They were yearround homes.
MR: TUTHILL: Two-family.
MR. LARK: Oh, two family, they are very substantial homes.
MR. DOYEN: Three two-family. The wall between them, what do
you call them, Bob?
MR. TUTHILL: Party wall .
MR. LARK: Party wall.
MR. DOYEN: Yeah, those were early-1900 government construc-
tion. They don 't build things like that anymore.
MR. LARK: It still has the original copper plumbing in it,
you should see how thick it is. I mean, it ' s first rate. That' s
why they just didn't want to knock them down. And, so what
FIDCO did is make contract subject to, of course, the Board of
Appeals approval . And I keep in mind this also has to go to the
Planning Board back again even though they've had it once and
have written you a recommendation, it' s got to go back again
under our regulations. Again I want to stress , you have the
application and you've all seen that. It ' s going to be, remember
this is in a Business Zone'. It ' s not a Residential. FIDCO could
not care less if you wanted it zoned Residential. You know, they
don't really care. That ' s not the point. The point is, it' s,
these were there way before Zoning, it was Zoned Business and
it' s been used as one and two-family homes right all along. When
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the government abandoned them, FIDCO went in and put their migrants
in there on a seasonal basis , I will grant you, April through Novem-
ber, and this is the way they want: to continue it. And again there
is precedent here in that you allowed the two-family to Barmache to
goiin, which is merely adjacent to it. It is unique. It ' s existing;
it '.s part of an older-governmental fort, and FIDCO honestly feels that
this will be a responsible development for this end of the Island.
And if you have any questions on it, I won't, you know--. it' s
pretty obvious, this one is, you know, what could I do, it' s there
and this is what they want to do and they've got responsible people
to buy them and will continue it as ownership. As Mr. Doyen says
they've already started to improve the Ferry District ' s acquiescence
that property which will make, then you 've got to understand where
you are here. This will never be built on owned by the Ferry Dis-
trict; it' s unique; it backs up which then goes into the Harbor, so
even though you don 't own it you do have the control. Again I 'm
not worred about the 40, 000 or the 30, 000 or the whatever square
footage because of the fact that it is watered and sewered; it is
there. You have existing streets, existing facilities, nothing will
change. The only thing that will change is there will be four
separate tax bills.
MR. DOYEN: This is just to the best of my knowledge, those
two places had been used as a duplexes up until--
MR. LARK: Yes, right. That is correct because FIDCO had
the different families in them.
CHAIRMAN: Do you think they would like to keep it that way:,
or would it ,be---
MR. LARK: I asked Mr. Noyes about that, and he gave me a
mixed reaction. Obviously the single-family house is going to
be owned by, a single person, and I can't tell you, Mr. Doyen maybe,
one of them is. being purchased by FIDCO' s architect, and I don't
know which one, James Righter. Now, I don't know whether he is
buying a duplex and is going to just use it as a single, because
Mr. Noyes told me that two of the units-that people did intend to.
buy them as a duplex. They were going to live in one and rent
the other out to carry the freight.
CHAIRMAN: Were any of them thinking of maybe some kind of
a business and live in it, too?
MR. LARK: No , that I haven 't heard anything about. As far
as I know, it ' s strictly residential.
MR. DOUGLASS : But it ' s in a B-1 Zone.
MR. LARK: But that is a freak of the thing, change of zoning.
They couldn't care less. Upzone it.
MR. DOYEN: Excuse me, on that I have a. question in that
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regard, inasmuch as the petitioner has no objection, in effect
Could we put limitations on there that would preclude business?
MR. LARK: Sure.
MR. DOYEN: Then in effect we can turn it into a residential
area.
MR. DOUGLASS : We can put a provision on there that it can
never revert back to being used as B-Zone.
MR. LARK.: There ' s no problem with that because when I
talked to them—
MR. DOYEN: That ' s important. We should make that part of
the determination.
MR. LARK: Well, I know. But you got to understand this is
a pure residential situation. FIDCO understated by it on the
zoning. They bought it from the government surplus, you know,
when they bought a lot of the stuff from the government and they
could never understand themselves why the thing was. zoned business
but apparently the whole fort in. there was . zoned business, you
see.
MR. DOUGLASS : Because of the Ferry District and everything.
MR. LARK: Right, that could very well be. I 'm not arguing
that point, and that' s what makes this unique because it backs
right up to the Ferry District, which FIDCO has now landscaped
and if you would go there, you would think it was their backyard.
It' s not, it belongs to the Ferry District but it will never be
developed.
MR. DOUGLASS : I 've been there, enough times.
MR. LARK: Right.
MR. DOYEN: The landscaping has made it surprisingly attrac-
tive, and the individual that bought those three houses across
the harbor, the harbor in this past year has been improved
immeasurably, more than you can imagine . It .really looks great
for the first time in 20, 30 years . It' s attractive. It was
terribly run down. Those buildings are all being renovated now.
MR. DOUGLASS : Well, right across the way they were doing
a good job when we were over there.
X4R. DOYEN: Well , you ought to see it now. He ' s done a
fantastic job. He ' s expensively landscaped that. Beautiful .
The Harbor looks beautiful coming in there now. It hasn't
looked like that since the army owned it in the fort. It' s
beautiful.
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MR. TUTHILL: Dick, you're only asking for approval of
undersized lots, isn't that right?
MR. LARK: That ' s right, and the continuance of the under-
sized lots as divided by the surveyor there, --- the four lots,
of which three are two-family or duplexes and one single.
MR. TUTHILL: Well , if they're two-family we 're going to
leave them that way.
MR. DOUGLASS : No, we don't have to leave them that way.
MR, LARK: I 'm not asking for business. Well they are
nonconforming two-family right at the present time.
MR. DOUGLASS : But we don ' t have to leave them that way.
MR. LARK: But the nonconforming use hasn't expired because
as of last summer they were used as two families . They were all
occupied.
MR. DOUGLASS : We don't have to grant that. We can grant
single family-with the amount of footage they have. They only
have 7 , 000 something feet on one.
MR. LARK: Yeah, but it' s been no different. They've
always had 7 , 000 .
MR. DOUGLASS : I can't help that. I know that.
MR. DOYEN: We have granted the same thing in the next
house. We have granted the same thing down the street. What
reasoning are we going to use know if we deny this one?
MR. LARK: He ' s talking about the Barmache--
MR. DOYEN: Not only the Barmache, the one that was owned
by Wolfe, and a school teacher. Not only that, we divided that
onewso they sold it in two pieces. The same house as this one
right there.
MR. LARK: This was put, on. a block. This was not put out
on single things .
MR. DOYEN: The Coast Guard owned this, general services
up until they sold it to Barmache last year . I 'm not only
talking about Barmache, for the best of my recollection, if .
you want to look it up, doesn 't have materially any more land
than this when it first came back -from General Services. It
was actually sold by the school, I think. But anyway it origi-
nally General Services as Army, and when it came back into the
Town sort of speak, we brought it in as a duplex and it was
sold as a duplex, and then they came and we gave them another
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variance so they could sell it individually; so now it' s owned by
two owners and materially he doesn't have any more land than these.
And not only that, it ' s needed on Fishers Island. The residences
are in kind of short supply so need all the additional residences
we can get. And this is one way we can get a few more under the
zoning. There is virtually no land to buy over there, virtually
no places to rent, so I think we would be doing the Island
MR. DOUGLASS : You told me when I was over there yourself that
nobody wants to rent over there.
MR. DOYEN: Rent what?
MR. DOUGLASS : That you can't get but $60 a month rent. You
told me that yourself over there.
MR. LARK: . For a summer home?
MR. DOUGLASS : For homes, yearround.
MR. DOYEN: I don't know how you understood me. A rental
business is a: proposition, it ' s a bust. But that doesn't mean that
they are practically all rented especially smaller units. The ones
that I was talking about are some. of the large old-fashioned houses
that cost so much to keep up. But there' s nothing of a nature where
people can come in like they do and rent two weeks.
MR. LARK: What was the name of the complainants on the FIDCO
application for the .migrant workers? What was their name? Bryce.
MR. TUTHILL: Right.
MR. LARK: Mr . Douglass. To give you a comparison, Bryce ' s
house, and you 're familiar with that, rents for $9, 000 a year for
the summer. On the western and eastern end, the summer things,
they all rent for big money, ok? Because you have to rent them
for the season, like he said, or you pay an astronomical for a
.month. Up on the eastern end, where the plots are not bigger,
where the yearround people live all the time , you don 't have the
availability. This is what he is talking about.
MR. DOYEN: Well , for two reasons. One thing is, there are
more younger people and they want to avail themselves to the use
of the club on the other end of the Island, and they dislike
tracking up and down the Island, which was 8 or 9 miles, back
and forth two and three times a day to the club, so the demand
by younger people, who have less resources, live on that end of
the Island. Besides smaller resources, they want availability
to the club where their kids go swimming. But nevertheless ,
there was another thing, I don't know where there ' s a rental
proposition people make out in the summer. Do they here? Do
the rentals pay here, medium and large-size homes?
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MR. LARK: Ask Terry, he would know better. I think it' s
a losing thing.
MR. TUTHILL: What' s that?
MR. LARK: Rentals here, right here in our area.
MR. DOYEN: . Well.; it ' s the same thing on Fishers Island;;'
That' s what I was eluding to, Bob.
MR. LARK: This also like the other one.- has to go back to
the Planning Board for • site .plan approval, for the official
subdivision. But for them I think we got that straightened out
for now. But for them to consider . it . you have to create the
size--
MR. TUTHILL: Area--
MR. LARK: That' s right,, size- and the use of the lots for
the Planning Board to consider it. again.
MR. DOUGLASS ; That ' s backwards though.
MR. LARK: Well, that's the latest interpretation.
MR. DOYEN: It is confusing at least.
MR. - LARK: And you do have your negative declaration in the
record. I pointed out about the water and the sewer and, every-
thing else.
CHAIRMAN: Everything is in order.
MR; LARK: And as he said from the housing aspect, it
probably would be an asset- to go ahead and divide it.
MR: TUTHILL: To be sold. off as is, two family houses.
MR. LARK: To be .honest with you, they're already. sold. sub-
ject to this Board ' s and the Planning Board' s approval .
MR. DOYEN: And they have been. used right up' until the
present -- I.'m just saying for the record, in this case, they
have been used that. vay.
CHAIRMAN:. There is no. one to speak against this? (There
was no response. )
MR. DOUGLASS: I will make a motion that we reserve decision
until after the hearing.
On motion made by Mr. Douglass, seconded by Mr. Tuthill, it;
was
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RESOLVED, to RESERVE DECISION in the matter of the applica-
tion of FISHERS ISLAND DEVELOPMENT CORP. , Appeal No. 2657 and
the hearing be declared closed.
Vote of the Board: Ayes: Messrs. Grigonis, Douglass, Tut-
hill and Doyen. Messr. Goehringer abstained.
PUBLIC HEARING: Appeal No. 2669 . Application of JAMES and
MARY McGUIRE, 20985 Main Road, Cutchogue, New York., for a Variance
to the zoning Ordinance, Article III, Section 100-30 and 100-31
for permission. ,to construct addition (portico) with an insufficient
frontyard setback. Location of property: 20985 Main Road,
Cutchogue; bounded north by Adel and Sheehan; east by Sheehan;
south by Stepnoski and Bagenski; .west by Main Road (S .R. 25) .
County Tax Map No. 1000-108-003-13 . 6 .
The Chairman opened the hearing at 9 :45 P.M, and the reading
of the legal notice was waived by applicant. The Chairman read
the Building Inspector ' s Notice of Disapproval , application for
a variance, and letter from the Town Clerk that notification to
adjoining property owners was made; fee paid $15 . 00.
JAMES McGUIRE: I request that you approve the 15-foot
portico for improving the appearance.
CHAIRMAN: Here is a sketch showing what it will look like
after it ' s completed.
MR. TUTHILL: Let me ask you a couple of questions. It
might seem silly, I don 't mean them that way. I don't know the
construction of those plastic greenhouses, but would it be
impractical to move .that greenhouse back and would it be im-
practical to shorten it up?
MR. McGUIRE: It would be impractical to move it back
because it would require taking the whole thing down, and in
moving it back, ' it would also.,.. in.:.back:o.f the:.. greenhouse we
would have to build up the land.
CHAIRMAN: Yeah, it slopes down there.
MR. TUTHILL: You can't cut off the front 10 feet or anything?
MR. McGUIRE: Well, I suppose you could but it would be
cutting down your growing space by approximately 10% . That
greenhouse is about 100 feet long, so if. you took 10 or 15
percent off, you would be losing your growing area by that
amount. Also, it would require, you know, . people coming in
and modifying the greenhouse so that, the first section of the
greenhouse has to be in the first section, because that' s where
the plastic is.
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MR. TUTHILL: You couldn't hook it ,in the .back in other words?
MR. McGUIRE: Right. In other words, if you just took the
first section out and went to the second section, because the
plastic would not fasten to the greenhouse, you would have to
take two sections out to put the end section, wherever the
greenhouse starts. Again , it alwayq, has to be at the end for
the purposes of securing the plastic .
MR. TUTHILL. Ok. Is there any reason why this couldn't
be cut down to the 10 feet instead of the 15 feet in depth?
Would it interfere with your plans, because certainly that place
can stand some improvement in looks.
MR. McGUIRE: Well , that ' s what we 're attempting. We recog-
nize that. In going over this with the architect and various
carpenters, we came up with this. Now to reduce it, naturally
we would have to go back and discuss it with those people and
find out the pros and cons of. reducing it to ten feet.
MR. TUTHILL: Are you going to use this just to improve. the
looks or for display purposes? We don't want to create a store
there.
MR. McGUIRE: No. It ' s going to be open all the time. I
won't say that we won't hang a plant from a rafter, but it will
not be enclosed and it will not be used as a selling area.
The basic purpose!'As to improve the sight. That's what we 're
trying to achieve.
MR. DOUGLASS : The only thing that you would be involved in
by cutting back toy. 10 feet instead of 15 is your roof will gain
about one to two inches of pitch, that ' s all. That' s the only
thing that will change. It will not change anything construction-
wise other than that. It will change the pitch line of your roof
a little bit, that' s all. And that will keep you back 40 feet
from the road.
MR. McGUIRE : I certainly wouldn't say it can't be done.
It ' s just that I wasn' t prepared to answer that question.
MR. DOUGLASS: It would be cheaper than 15 foot.
MR. McGUIRE: Yeah.
CHAIRMAN: Yeah, I was just thinking, it would probably
save you some materials.
MR. McGUIRE: You're talking like one-third. And the price
of lumber today is out of sight. I have no reason to say that it
shouldn't. In going over this in trying to improve it, this is
what we came up with and that ' s why we were asking for it.
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MR. TUTHILL: It .isn't going to end up in any of your parking
area there?
MR. McGUIRE: I don't think so. There was a man down from
Cornell University, who was , a specialist in parking, and we had
him out there and we showed him this , and he had a positive reac-
tion to it. That was back in January some time.
MR. DOUGLASS : You might lose some of that though along there
when the road transfers. And that becomes County road .instead of
State.
MR. McGUIRE: Well, I wouldn't know.
MR: DOUGLASS : It widens out.
MR. CHAIRMAN: We never know when it' s going to happen. It .
may not happen in a year , I don 't know.
MR. DOUGLASS: It was supposed to take effect a year ago
this coming April , but it was• held up, because what ' s happening
the County Road is becoming State Road, and the State Road will
become County Road, as soon as the County finishes the four lanes
to the blinker at Porky' s. When they get the four lanes there
which they surveyed for last year, then it becomes State Road.
MR. McGUIRE: The County is out to widen that road?
MR. DOUGLASS : They will. They will shove it out some.
MR. TUTHILL: You mean the County' s taking over?
MR. DOUGLASS : They own 13 feet now on either side of the
road, the State does. You see they own inside that telephone
pole line that' s on your front there now: The telephone pole
is on. the State property.
MR. McGUIRE: I wasn't aware that , there were plans to widen it.
MR. DOUGLASS : Eventually, it has to happen, we don' t know
when. It ' s been on the maps for a while, a1l. of. it to transfer
these roads.
CHAIRMAN: Variances or anything up along this road here we
had to consider where the two lanes were coming. There are two
additional lanes and we had them set way back. You' ll notice
some of the buildings back here are set way back from the road.
Because when they come through here eventually they are going to
put the two lanes on this side through here .
MR. DOUGLASS : Maybe you and I will never live to see it but
it ' s on the books .
Southold Town Board of Appeals -34- February 28 , 1980
CHAIRMAN: There is nobody here to object to this (no one
else was present) .
MR. TUTHILL: My feeling is I would be willing to give up.
a few feet to make those buildings more attractive:
MR. DOUGLASS : I ' ll make a motion that it be granted to
extend 10 feet in front of the buildings with a condition that
it cannot be closed in and the other condition which I gave
Linda, that no display or storage of goods shall protrude
forward of that extension. In other words you must have the
40 feet open in front.
MR. McGUIRE: Ok. That ' s sounds good.
CHAIRMAN: If you want to display anything, it is supposed
to be under that extension of the roof of it.
. MR: TUTHILL: Can we put something in there, an option for
Mr. McGuire if he finds that for some reason the 10 feet is
going to lessen the beautifying or be impractical that he can
come back to us?
MR. DOUGLASS : Yes.
MR. TUTHILL: I would hate to stick him with 10 feet just
Like that.
SECRETARY: Do you want to add that then as a condition, Bob?
MR. DOUGLASS : Yes. And ,how can we word it.
MR. TUTHILL: If the 10 foot is found to be impractical for
some reason, he may come in.
MR. DOUGLASS : He can come back to us and we will reconsider.
MR. McGUIRE: As I say, I don't know what, if any, problems
that five feet will create.
MR. DOUGLASS: It won 't create any. It will,-- save you money.
MR. McGUIRE: We didn 't just sit down. and arbitrarily come
up with it. We did consult various people and come up with this
idea, and as I say, I don't know whether five feet is going to
cause any problem.
MR. TUTHILL: Well, what you've got to get, go over it with
the architect and see if it can be done nicely with 10 feet instead
of 15 .
MR. DOUGLASS : The only thing it will cut down is a little bit
of sales room, structurally it will not change anything. It will
be cheaper . Because 15. feet I can tell you, you{- rafter work on
.Southold Town Board of Appeals -35- February 28 , 1980
15 foot against 10 foot is going to be considerably different.
After investigation and inspection, the Board finds that
the applicants are requesting to construct a portico to an
existing greenhouse at premises located on the Main Road, Cut-
chogue, New- York which would set an insufficient setback off
Main Road to 35 feet. The Board feels that a 10-foot portico
addition instead of a 15-foot portico addition would be suffi-
cient for the purposes of improving the appearance of the
existing structure. The applicant has stated that to move
the existing greenhouse back far enough to construct the
portico without a frontyard setback would be a hardship and
practical difficulty due to the plastic and uneven construction
of the greenhouse. The Board finds the reasoning of the
applicant appropriate and reasonable.
The Board finds that the -circumstances present in this
case are unique, and that strict application of the ordinance
would produce practical difficulties or unnecessary hardship.
The Board believes that the grant of a variance in this case
will not change the character of the neighborhood and will
observe the spirit of the zoning ordinance.
On motion by Mr. Douglass, seconded by Mr. Tuthill , it was
RESOLVED, that JAMES and MARY McGUIRE, 20985 Main Road,
Cutchogue, New York; be GRANTED a Variance to the Zoning Ordi-
nance, Article III , Section 100-30 and 100-31 for permission
to construct a 10-foot. portico with an insufficient frontyard
setback, SUBJECT TO THE FOLLOWING CONDITION:
(1) That the portico will not be permitted to be enclosed;
(2) That no displaying or storing of goods shall protrude
forward of the portico extension granted herein;
(3) That the applicants may return and request of this
Board that the additional five feet as originally requested
be approved if there. is a practical difficulty in constructing
the 10-foot portico rather than the 15-foot portico.
(4) Referral to the Suffolk County Planning Commission.
Location of property: 20985 Main Road, Cutchogue; bounded
north by Adel and Sheehan; east by Sheehan; south by Stepnoski
and Bagenski; west by Main Road (S.R. 25) . County Tax Map Item
No. 1000-108-003-13 . 6
Vote of the Board: Ayes : Messrs . Grigonis , Douglass , Tut-
hill and Doyen. Messr. Goehringer abstained.
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On motion by Mr. Goehringer, seconded by Mr. Douglass, it was
RESOLVED, that the following appeals be advertised for a public
hearing, at the next regular meeting of this Board, and that the
20th day_ of March , 1980 at 7 :30 o 'clock P.M. .. is scheduled as the next
regular meeting of this Board:
7 :30 P.M. SCHULTHEIS, GERARD H. Appeal No 2670
7 :45 P.M. MCNULTY, HELEN &, ANITA. , Appeal No, 2671
7 :55 P.M. RAYNOR, . SOPHIE. Appeal No.• 2673 .
8 : 05 .P.M. SCHOENHAAR; ROY C. Appeal No. 2674
8 : 20 .P.M. RUCH, ELEANOR. , Appeal No. 2676
8 : 35 P.M. CORNELL, JOSEPH CLIFFORD. Appeal No. 2675 .
Vote of the Board: Ayes: Messrs. Grigonis, Douglass, Tuthill,
Doyen and Goehringer.
On motion by Mr. Doyen, seconded by Mr. Tuthill, it was
RESOLVED, tha.t:in-.tieapplication of GERARD H. SCHULTHEIS, Appeal
No. 2670 for permission to construct dwelling with an insufficient
'frontyard setback, Article ITT, Section 100-31, at premises located
at Holden Avenue and Dick' s Point Road, Cutchogue., New York, after
review of the Environmental Assessment Short Form, which has indi-
cated that no significant adverse effects to the environment were
likely to occur, and review- of' the documents submitted therewith,
this Board has determined that this project if� implemented as
planned is classified as a Type II Action, not having a signifi-
cant effect on- the environment, Section 617 .13 of the New York
State Environmental Quality Review Act and Section 4.4-4B of the
Southold Town Code.
Vote of the Board: Ayes: Messrs. Grigonis, Douglass, Tuthill,
Doyen and Goehringer.
On ,motion by Mr. Doyen, seconded by Mr.- Tuthill, it was,
RESOLVED, that in, the: application of' HELEN & ANITA McNULTY,
Appeal No. 2671, for permission to establish two proposed lots
with insufficient width and area for property located at 'Peconic
.:Bay .Boulevard, Laurel , New York, for approval of insufficient area
and width of parcels to be. established in a proposed subdivision,
after review of the Environmental Assessment Short Form, which has, '
indicated that no significant adverse effects to the environment
are likely to occur, and review of the documents submitted therewith,
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this Board has determined this project if implemented as planned
is classified as a Type II Action, not having a significant effect
on the environment, Section 617 .13 of the New York State Environ-
mental Quality Review Act and Section 44-4B of the Southold Town
Code.
Vote of the Board: Ayes : Messrs. Grigonis, Douglass, Tuthill,
Doyen, and Goehringer.
On motion by Mr. Doyen, seconded by Mr. Tuthill , it was
RESOLVED, that in the application of SOPHIE RAYNOR, Appeal No.
2673 , for approval of insufficient area and width of parcels to be
established in a proposed minor subdivision, and for approval of
access, New York Town Law Section 280-A, for premises located at
North Road, Greenport, New York, after review of the Environmental
Assessment Short Form, which has indicated that no significant
adverse effects to the environment were likely to occur, and
review of the documents submitted , therewith, this Board has deter-
mined that this project if implemented as planned is classified as
a Type II Action, not having a significant effect on the environ-
ment, Section 617 .13 of the New York State Environmental Quality
Review Act and Section 44�4B of the Southold Town Code.
Vote of the Board: Ayes: Messrs. Grigonis, Douglass, Tuthill ,
Doyen, and Goehringer.
On motion by Mr. Doyen, seconded by Mr. Tuthill, it was
RESOLVED, that in the application of ROY C. SCHOENHAAR, Appeal
No. 2674 , for: (a) approval of insufficient area and width of
parcels to be established in a proposed subdivision, Article III,
Section 100-31, and (b) approval of access, New York Town Law
Section 280-A, for premises located at Main Road, Mattituck, New
York, after review of the Environmental Assessment Short Form
which has indicated that no significant effects to the environ-
ment were likely to occur, and review of the documents submitted
therewith, this Board has determined that this project if imple-
mented as planned is classified as a Type II Action, not having
a significant effect on the environment, Section 617 . 13 of the
New York State Environmental Quality Review Act and Section 44-4B
of the Southold Town Code.
Vote of the Board: Ayes: Messrs. Grigonis, Douglass, Tuthill ,
Doyen, and Goehringer.
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On motion by Mr. Doyen, seconded by-'Mr. Tuthill, it was
RESOLVED, that in the application of ELEANOR RUCH, Appeal No.
2676 , for approval of insufficient area and/or width of parcels
known as "Shorecrest Subdivision Lots. No. 1 , 4 , .15, 17 , 18 , 19
at Arshamomaque, " Southold, New York, after review of the Environ-
mental Assessment Short Form which indicates that no significant
effects to the environment are likely to occur, and after review of
the documents submitted therewith, this Board has determined that
this project if implemented as planned is classified as a Type II
Action, not having a significant effect on the environment, Sec-
tion 617 .13 of the New York State Environmental Quality Review
Act and Section 44-4B of the Southold Town Code.
Vote of the Board: Ayes: Messrs. Grigonis, Douglass, Tut-
hill, Doyen, and Goehringer.
On motion by Mr. Doyen, seconded by Mr. Tuthill , it was
RESOLVED, that in the application of JOHN CLIFFORD CORNELL,
Appeal No . 2675 , for approval of insufficient area and width of
parcels known as "Shorecrest Subdivision Lots No. 6 , 7 , 8 , 9 at
Arshamomaque, " Southold, New York, after review of the Environ-
mental Assessment Short Form which indicates that no significant
effects to the environment were likely to occur, and after review
of the documents submitted therewith, this Board has determined
that this project if implemented as planned is classified as a
Type II Action, not having a significant effect on the environ-
rent, Section 617 . 13 of the New York State Environmental Quality
Review Act and Section 44-4B of the Southold Town Code.
Vote of the Board: Ayes: Messrs. Grigonis, Douglass, Tuthill
Doyen and Goehringer.
Mr. Doyen offered a resolution to approve the FISHERS ISLAND
DEVELOPMENT CORP, Appeal No. 2656 appeal, subject to conditions,
but Mr. Doyen' s resolution was not seconded. Mr. Doyen wanted
the other Board members to know that he was in favor of granting
the appeal subject to conditions.- in the event he was not present
at the meeting for which action might be taken.
After investigation aiid inspection, the Board finds that the
applicant, MATTITUCK FREE LIBRARY, in Appeal No. 2665, is request-
ing permission to construct addititiori; With an insufficient side--
yard setback to -30:feet, and for :permission .to waive off the street
parking requirements of Article XI, Section 100-112A of the Southold
Town Code, whereas they state if they complied it would require the
removal of many beautiful trees eliminating the isolation from not
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only the church and the lumber yard but .also the residential
neighborhood to the south, and the sideyard compliance requir-
ing offsetting the addition at much greater expense and loss of
utility. The parcel involved is approximately 135-foot wide
by 500 feet in depth containing approximately 66 , 000 square
feet of area; -arid the existing building has a� floor area of
2830 square feet and the applicant proposes to construct an
addition at the rear of the existing building in the sideyard
area which will have 1200 square feet. The total floor area
of the existing and proposed structures will compose 4030 square
feet. The Board finds that the existing and proposed addition
is located on the northerly one-third of the lot, and that the
entire remaining two-thirds is unoccupied. The Board finds that
the. applicant has not shown any hardship or difficulty in com-
plying with the parking requirements of the zoning code.
However, the Board does find that by reason of the location
of the existing building that a hardship .would exist with res-
pect to the proposed addition if the same were required to have
a sideyard variance and approves the addition proposed as shown
on the plan filed with the Board. The Board determines that
the applicant has not proved any hardship or difficulty with
respect to providing the required parking, -that there is land
available for parking, and therefore denies the variance for
the reduced parking requirements.
The Board finds that the..circ,umst.ances present in the variance
for insufficient sideyard are unique, and that strict application
of the ordinance would produce practical difficulties or unnecessary
hardship . The Board believes that the granting of the sideyard
variance in this case will not change the character of the neigh-
borhood and will observe the spirit of the zoning ordinance.
On motion by Mr . Douglass , seconded by Mr. Grigonis, is was
RESOLVED, that MATTITUCK FREE LIBRARY, Main Road, Mattituck,
New York 11952 , in Appeal No. 2665 , be GRANTED a Variance to the
Zoning Ordinance, Article III, Section 100-30 for permission to
construct addition with an insufficient sideyard setback to 30
feet as applied for, SUBJECT TO THE CONDITIONS SPECIFIED BELOW,
and be DENIED a 'Variance6to the Zoning Ordinance, Article XI,
Section 100-112A to waive off street parking requirements:
Cl)_ That the applicant is required to provide off the
street parking-as required by the Southold Town Code;
(2) That this matter be referred to the Suffolk County
Planning Commission, pursuant to Section 1332 of the
Suffolk County Charter.
(3) That the ingress and egress be at least 20-feet wide.
Location of property: 13900 Main Road, Mattituck; bounded
north by Main Road (S .R. 25) , east by Sacred Heart Roman Catholic
Church, south by Winiaz and Reeve, west by Reeve, and Reeve Lumber
and Woodworking Co. , Inc . County Tax Map Item No . 1000-114-11-2 .
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Vote of the Board: Ayes: Messrs. Grigonis, Douglass, Tuthill,
Doyen. Messr. Goehringer abstained.
On motion by. Mr. Douglass, seconded by Mr. Tuthill , it was
RESOLVED, that the meeting be declared closed.
Vote of the Board: Ayes: Messrs. Grigonis, Douglass, Tuthill,
Doyen, and Goehringer.
The meeting was declared closed at 10: 30 P.M.
Respectfully submitted,
L nda F. Kowalski, Secretary
APPROVED Southold Town Board of Appeals
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RECEIVED AND FITED BY
THE SOU HOLD TOWN CLERK
DATE �j���� HOUR
Town Clerk, Town of Southold