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CHARLESGRIGONIS,JR. Chairman
SERGE DOYEN,JR.
TERRY TUTHILL
ROBERT J.DOUGLASS
Gerard P. Goehringer M I N U T E S
SOUTHOLD TOWN BOARD OF APPEALS
MARCH 20, 1980
A regular meeting of the Southold Town. Board of Appeals was
held on Thursday, March 20 , 1980 at 7 :30 o 'clock P.M. at. the
Southold Town Hall , Main Road, Southold, New York. 11971 .
Present were: Charles Grigonis , Jr . , Chairman; Terry R.
Tuthill; Serge Doyen, Jr. ; Gerard P. Goehringer. Absent was:
Robert J. Douglass.
PUBLIC -HEARING: Appeal No . 2670.. Application of GERARD H.
SCHULTHEIS , 3 Detmer Road, Setauket,' New York 1,1733 , for a Variance
to the zoning Ordinance, Article III, Section 100-31 for permission
to construct dwelling with an insufficient frontyard: setback. Loca-
tion of property: Holden Avenue and Dick' s Point Roach, Cutchogue;
bounded north by Hurff, northwest by Case, south by Dick' s Point
Road and Holden Avenue, northeast.'by Blohme. County Tax Map Item
No. 1000-110-2-9 .
The Chairman opened the hearing at 7 : 33 P.M. by reading the
application for a. variance, legal notice of hearing and affidavits
attesting to its publication in the local and official newspapers,
Notice of Disapproval from the Building Inspector, and letter from
the Town Clerk that notification to adjoining property owners was
mad'e'; fee paid $15 . 00 .
CHAIRMAN: Is there anyone here who wishes to add anything to
th.-is application? Is there anyone against it? Is there anyone who
wishes to be heard? (There was no response. ) Well , we went down
and inspected it and it is very true- what Mr . Schultheis said in
his application. If he went back 50 feet,. he would be dropping
down maybe 20 feet from where the house would be. It drops right
down. And we checked some of the. other houses around, especially
along Holden Avenue, and most of them are set back about 35 feet
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which has been there for quite some time, some of them. So, if there
is no one else who has any further question, is there any discussion,
Terry, Serge?
MR. TUTHILL: I agree he has a hardship and I move that it be
approved.
After investigation and inspection, the Board finds that the
applicant is requesting permission to construct dwelling with an
insufficient frontyard setback to 35 feet due to the natural hilly
topographyrof the land. The Board finds that the properties in the
neighborhood are similar to the proposed and most of the dwellings
are also set back about 35 feet, and that such relief would not
alter the character of the locality nor decrease residential values
in the area.
The Board finds that the circumstances present in this case are
unique, and that strict application of the ordinance would produce
practical difficulties or unnecessary hardship. The Board believes
that the granting of a variance in this case will not change the
character of the neighborhood and will observe the spirit of the
ordinance.
On motion by Mr. Tuthill, seconded by Mr. Doyen, it was
RESOLVED, that GERARD H. SCHULTHEIS, be GRANTED a Variance to
the Zoning Ordinance, in Appeal No. 2670, pursuant to Article III,
Section 100,-31 for permission to construct dwelling with an insuffi-
cient frontyard setback to 35 feet as applied for. Location of
property: Holden Avenue and Dick's Point Road, Cutchogue; bounded
north by Hurff, northwest by Case, south by Dick' s Point Road and
Holden Avenue, northeast by Blohme. County Tax Map Item No.
1000-110-2-9 .
Vote of the Board: Ayes: Messrs. Grigonis, Tuthill , Doyen and
Goehringer. Absent: Messr. Douglass.
On motion by Mr. Grigonis, seconded by Mr. Tuthill , it was
RESOLVED, to approve the minutes of the February 28 , 1980
meeting of this Board subject to minor corrections.
Vote of the Board: Ayes : Messrs . Grigonis, Tuthill, Doyen and'
Goehringer. Absent: Messr . Douglass.
On motion by Mr. Grigonis, seconded by Mr. Tuthill , it was
RESOLVED, to approve the sign renewal request of Sam Simeon
By-The-Sound, Inc . (formerly Eastern Suffolk Nursing Home) , which
renewal is extended for a period of one year from the expiration
date, SUBJECT TO FEDERAL. HIGHWAY BEAUTIFICATION ACT and FUNDING LAWS �-
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FOR HIGHWAYS, IF APPLICABLE. Appeal No. 1224 .
Vote of the Board: Ayes : Messrs. Grigonis, Tuthill, Doyen and
Goehringer. Absent: Messr. Douglass .
PUBLIC- HEARING: Appeal No. 2671 . Application of HELEN and
ANITA McNULTY, by John C. Diller, Box 39 , Laurel, New York, . for a,
Variance to the Zoning Ordinance, Article III, Section 100=31 for
approval of insufficient area and width of parcels to be established
in a proposed subdivision. Location of property: - Peconic Bay Boule-
vard- and Laurel Lane, Laurel; bounded north by Peconic Bay; west by
Thoet, Ehlers, Teter; south by Peconic Bay Boulevard; east by
Charles J. McNulty Estate. 1000--145-2- part of #001 .
The Chairman opened the hearing at 7 :46 P.M... by reading the
application for a variance, legal notice of hearing and affidavits
attesting to its publication in the local and official newspapers,
Notice of Disapproval from the Building Inspector, and letter from
the Town Clerk that notification to adjoining property owners was .
made; fee paid $15 . 00:.
Mr. John C. Diller, agent appearing for the applicants, mentioned
to the Board that the legal notice description of abutting neighbors
was: T'ncorrect inasmuch as the south and north were reversed. Mr.
Diller agreed to accept the County Tax Map Number in the legal
advertisement as legal and correct.
CHAIRMAN: Is there anything you would like to add, Mr. Diller?
JOHN C. DILLER: . I didn't understand the application that I
wrote that you just read, so let .me just try to explain. And I
think there is a misunderstanding because when it was listed in the
paper it was referred to as a subdivision, and I don't really think
it is. Here ' s the situation. There are two adjoining lots, each
approximately 440 feet long and 50 feet wide. Each were created in
1943 , about 14 years before zoning, and it remained in single and
separate ownership from that date forward until today. So I am
advised by the Town Attorney that if we wanted to go in to the
Building Inspector and make application for a building permit, to
put a house on each of those lots, it would be granted. Obviously
as long as we met the sideyard requirements, which are reduced in.
that case. The reason thus far that we decided not to do that is
frankly I, don't think it makes much sense . It would mean that you
would build houses on two very narrow lots and very long lots, and
what we 're suggesting is that the common boundary should be moved
in such a way that after being moved you still only have two lots.
You haven't created any additional lots. They are approximately
the same size as they are now, but instead of being 440 feet long
and 50 feet wide, they would be approximately 200 feet long and
approximately 100 feet wide, and you could put a house in effect
in the middle of each of those and avoid the necessity which we
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find if we had to build on it as now designed, in effect building
11 '3" from the property line. Now, the two adjoining property
owners to the east to whom I sent this notice--
CHAIRMAN: Ehlers and Thoert?
MR. DILLER: Yeah, I have a note, and frankly I wouldn't put
this in as part of the record without asking them. As an indica-
tion, Mr. and Mrs . Ehlers write from Florida saying, "We think
this is a good idea and I am sure this will work out well as well
for the neighborhood in general ., " And Mrs. Thoert from Garden City
writes, "We feel you have reached a good solution in making your
50-foot lots more practical . I wish you well with your new home. "
Basically, I think it ' s not a subdivision because division to me
means you're creating more lots that are presently there. These are
two separate lots that are the subject of the application, and if
you grant the variance, it would still be two separate lots . Two
houses could .be built before, and two houses could be built after,
so I think it makes a lot more sense to build on the lots with that
shape than if we're forced to, go ahead and build as they presently
are.
CHAIRMAN: Actually, what it looks like when you look at the
map, instead of splitting the lots lengthwise you're cutting them
in two, one on the road and one on the 'bay, and leaving the
right-of-way on one side, on the east side of the one on the
road, and access for the lot on.-the road, the right-of-way on the
west side of the bay lot.
MR. DILLER: Exactly. In fact we 're giving up the right to
build a house on the bay in order to be able to build a house
that ' s not as close to other houses .
MR. TUTHILL: How many of those existing structures are on
any part of these two. -lots?
MR. DILLER: There is one existing structure on this lot the
way it would be moved.
MR. TUTHILL: Furthest east?
MR. DILLER: Actually, it' s right smack on the dividing line
presently.
MR. TUTHILL: Right in the middle?
MR. DILLER: It has been there, the bungalow has been there
since .1930 .
MR. TUTHILL: That ' s right in the middle of the two lots?
MR. DILLER: Yeah. In other words, that present dividing
line runs north and south, and in effect straddles that. That
would be moved off .
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MR. TUTHILL: Then there are three houses to the west of that
one? And they're not affecting this property, none of them? They
are all McNulty' s properties , too, I think:
MR. DILLER: Right.
MR. TUTHILL: All the way to Laurel Lane.
MR. DILLER: That' s correct.
CHAIRMAN: Is there anybody else who has any questions?
MR. GOEHRINGER: Mr. Diller, what doyouu mean by moved off?
Moved off the present structure that's on the bay, now?
MR. DILLER: I imagine what we would do, probably, is to move
that present bungalow perhaps back and' make that a structure on the
back lot. My intention is to build in effect a year-round winter-
ized house.
MR. GOEHRINGER: On the. bay.
MR. DILLER: On the bay. Yeah. But I 'm not certain, that
bungalow might be, where it would cost more to move it and build
a foundation or anything else that it ' s worth to start- with.
CHAIRMAN: Is there anyone else here who would like to speak
for this? Is there anyone here to speak against it? Do you
fellows have any other questions?
MR. TUTHILL: Of that existing one, John, that is going to be
either moved to the Boulevard lot, if we do this, or removed
completely- from that area.
MR. DILLER: Right.
MR. TUTHILL: By destruction or otherwise.
MR. DILLER: Correct. And if it were moved to one of these
lots, it obviously would be moved in such a way to meet the zoning
requirements, sideyards .
CHAIRMAN: Do you have any more questions, Terry?
MR. TUTHILL: Not right now.
CHAIRMAN: You're probably aware, John, that the Board of
Health .will want maps of .this before they will approve it, and
they' ll probably going to water test it, or some type of well
test, or something, too . You're familiar with some of that stuff .
You're going through it up here on the North Road.
MR. DILLER: Yes, I became aware of it this afternoon. There
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was a question raised , I think, also by D.E:'.'C. , which I learned
about this afternoon; Linda told me. I called them and they
somehow didn't go up and see the bulkhead there .
CHAIRMAN: Yes, I talked with one of the gentlemen yesterday,
right down in the office here from D.E.C., and they were going to
get involved, take lead agency and all that. But now the way, when
they found out about the bulkhead across the front there, it takes
them out. It ' s awful hard to understand who does what, where, in
some of these cases.
MR. GOEHRINGER: How much height do we have about the water
there.
CHAIRMAN: Well, that 's pretty good. I don't know if it gives
the elevations in- here.
MR. GOEHRINGER: That' s all right.
CHAIRMAN: Do you have it, 7ohn?
MR. DILLER: It' s on that survey. It goes 10 feet, . 15 feet.
There is a cliff beyond the bulkhead.
MR. GOEHRINGER: Right.
CHAIRMAN: I think it is out, of the critcal _zone..
MR. DILLER: They agreed this afternoon that this bulkhead
there, they say they will not assert jurisdiction.
CHAIRMAN: And I don't think this is what is classified as
the "V-Zone" either under the new flood plain insurance programs
coming up.
MR. GOEHRINGER: You mean you haven 't seen the new maps?
CHAIRMAN: I 'll offer a resolution granting this as applied
for, subject to County Health approval, County Planning, D.E.C.
if it applies, but I don't think it will now.
MR. TUTHILL: Well, subject to those, I ' ll second, the motion.
MR. DILLER: I have a question before you vote on that.
The County Planning I am not aware of . That ' s another hole?
CHAIRMAN: I meant Town Planning, I 'm sorry. The Town Planning
Board has to approve any subdivision. The Board of Appeals cannot-
MR. DILLER: This isn't really a subdivision.
CHAIRMAN: Well, I mean you're setting off two lots. We 're
not allowed to do it without approval from the Planning Board.
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MR. DILLER: There are two. lots there now.
CHAIRMAN: Well, it ' s the thing that we have to put in. there.
We can't do it ourselves. You're changing the lines in them.
You 're changing the lines of the lots. Like you said a minute
ago, before you had two lots that ran straight through. Now you're
going to, for all purposes, cut them in half crosswise. So it ' s a
technicality, more or less, - but- no real problem. The Board of
Health will be involved in it. And the D.E.C. , it should go to
D.E.C. because it' s within 300 feet of any body of water. , It 's
within 300 feet of the Bay.
MR. DILLER: But their jurisdiction has been waived. They don't
assert jurisdiction beyond the bulkhead.
CHAIRMAN: I' said, if it applies it .goes to them.
MR. DILLER: The only thing I 'm asking, if for some reason
we 're able to convince the Planning Board it ' s not a subdivision,
then that would be within your resolution?
CHAIRMAN: I said, John, on the D.E.C. and the Planning Board,
if it has to, that ' s the only ..thing. It ' s to cover all bases what
we 're doing.
MR. TUTHILL: All we can. do is approve the insufficient width
and area,
CHAIRMAN: Which the Planning Board can't do . For instance,
if you were to subdivide and you had four legal-size lots. and one
undersized, they couldn't approve the subdivision until we grant
a variance on the undersized lot. The only thing they can approve
is a perfect subdivision. Everything has to have the proper square
footage and the frontage . You know, that ' s the only thing they can
approve. It ' s got to be perfect.
After investigation and inspection, the Board finds that the
applicants. are requesting approval of are-subdivision of two lots, .
which apparently were divided by probate of will of Edna B. Mc-
Nulty, before zoning within the Town of Southold, to the applicants
herein. The applicants have submitted for the record Variance
Search showing the chain of title of the subject premises certified
by the Title Guarantee Company March 18 , 1980 . The reason for
this request for a change of the yard lines is the lots presently
have only approximately 50-foot road frontage, and' to build a
house to meet the sideyard restrictions of the zoning ordinance
would be impractical and cause the dwellings to be considerably
close unnecessarily. The Board does agree with the reasoning of
the applicant.
The Board finds that the circumstances present in this case
are unique, and that strict application of the ordinance would
produce practical difficulties or unnecessary hardship. The Board
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believes that the granting of a variance in this case will not
change the character of the neighborhood and will observe the
spirit of the zoning ordinance.
On motion by Mr . Grigonis , seconded by Mr. Tuthill , it was
RESOLVED, that HELEN and. ANITA McNULTY, by John C. Diller,
Box 39 , Laurel, New York 11948 , be • GRANTED a Variance to the
Zoning Ordinance, Article III, Section 100-31, in Appeal No.
2671, for approval of the insufficient area and width of two
parcels. as applied for herein, SUBJECT TO THE FOLLOWING CONDI-
TIONS :
(1) Approval of the subdivision by the Southold Town.
Planning Board;
(2) Approval of the N.Y.S . Department of Environmental
Conservation, if applicable;
(3) Approval of. the Suffolk County Department of Health.
Location of property: South side of Peconic Bay Boulevard,
Laurel; bounded north by Peconic Bay Boulevard, west by Laurel
Lane, south by 'Peconic Bay, east by Ehlers and Thoet.
Vote of the Board: Ayes : Messrs. Grigonis, Tuthill, Doyen
and Goehringer. Absent: Messr . Douglass.
PUBLIC HEARING: Appeal No . 2673 . Application of SOPHIE
RAYNOR, 17 Sound Road, Greenport, New York, for a Variance to
the Zoning Ordinance, Article IIi, Section 100-31 for approval
of insufficient width and area of parcels to be established in
a proposed minor subdivision, and• for approval of access, New
York Town Law, Section 280-A. Location of property: 69035 North
Road, Greenport; bounded north and west by Tasker, south by
North Road, east by Straussner, Sfaelos Realty, and Brandi .
County Tax Map Item No. 1000-35-1-7 .
The Chairman opened the hearing at 8 : 08 P.M. by. reading the
application for variances, legal notice of hearing and affidavits
attesting to its publication in the local and official newspapers,
Notice of Disapproval from the Building Inspector, and letter ,
from the Town Clerk that notification to adjoining property
owners was made; fee paid $15. 00 .
CHAIRMAN: We have a survey that shows a dog leg shaped
property with 64 .78 frontage on the North Road and it goes back
about 109' on one side on the east side and on -the west side it 's
97 feet, and then it widens out to 91 .1 feet on the back and
about the same across the middle part of it. There ' s a house
on the front lot near the road, so the actual footage of the lot
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that is proposed to be divided, amounts to a little more than 9300
square feet. It .would wind up with about 100 feet on one side,
100 feet on both sides , 95 . 54 on the south end and 91 .1 on the
north end. On the. County Tax Map it shows one lot very much
similar size adjacent to it, on no, there are two lots that have
been merged so that makes a pretty good-sized lot out of that,
but then there is another one just off where the access would
be, it ' s about 100 by 100, almost the same size. And across
the road, there are several lots 50 x 145, 70 x 144 . There are
a lot of small lots across the street from where this one is,
there ' s a whole string of them. They want to see off-,-,a lot with
6200 square feet . In fact, when this is done , one lot would
have 62000, excuse me, 6200 rather, and the other one will have
9300 square feet. Is there anyone here to speak for this
application?
MR. CHARLES V. RAYNOR: Yes .
CHAIRMAN: I understand there ' s being a change made in the
access to the back lot?
MR. RAYNOR: Yes. Right now it doesn't have any acces's to
the lot.
CHAIRMAN: Right. But it was shown on the sketch that it
was going to be on the west side. Now it' s going to be moved
to the east side?
MR. RAYNOR. Yes, it would be more convenient on the east side.
It doesn't matter to me whether it ' s on the west side or the west
side. There ' s more room on the east- side. If you put it on the
west side, it' s too close to the house.
CHAIRMAN: I see where it would be now, right next to the.
house. Right.
MR. RAYNOR: On the east side there .would be a lot more room.
It would be a one-family dwelling.
CHAIRMAN: Is there anyone else, is there anything more you
would like to add to it?
MR. RAYNOR: Whatever requirements the Building Inspector
wants, I ' ll abide by it.
CHAIRMAN: Is there anyone else to speak for this? Is there
anyone against it? Yes, sir, your name, please?
JOE 'BRANDI : The lot in question right now as it stands is
barely big enough for one lot as it is . And the way they want
to cut it up, by the time they put sewage and stuff in there,
they're going to be raising the devil with everything around that
area. In other words, they would be degrading the whole area
there rather than upgrading it.
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MR. RAYNOR: Excuse me, Mr. Brandi, would you clarify that
more, by degrading the area and the sewage? Would you clarify
that?
MR. BRANDI: It' s not in keeping with the area around there.
MR., RAYNOR: All the lots around there are similar in size.
MR. BRANDI : Well those on the other side had quite a bit of
trouble with each other on their boundary lines. As you go along
there, you see spike f7ences and stuff .put up.
MR. RAYNOR: I don't put up spike fences.-
CHAIRMAN: Let ' s go through the chair with it gentlemen,
because we get involved, otherwise-- (Mr. Brandi and Mr. Raynor
were both talking at the same time & comments were not clear. )
MR. RAYNOR: Ok.
CHAIRMAN: Is there anyone else? (There was no response. )
If not, I ' ll make a motion to reserve decision on this until
we have more time to examine the other properties and what not.
On motion by Mr. Grigonis , seconded by Mr . Tuthill , it was
RESOLVED, to RESERVE DECISION in the matter of SOPHIE
RAYNOR, Appeal No. 2673 .
Vote of the Board: Ayes: Messrs. Grigonis, Tuthill, Doyen
and Goehringer . Absent: Messr. Douglass.
Member Terry R. Tuthill asked Mr. Charles V. Raynor whether
the lot in question was the one with the little green cottage on
it, and Mr. Raynor so confirmed. Mr. Raynor said he was not
presently living on that piece of property, that it is being
rented, and is planning to build on the back lot if this variance
were granted. Mr. Raynor said that his residence is on Sound
Road in Greenport.
PUBLIC HEARING: Appeal No. 2674 . Application of ROY C.
SCHOENHAAR, c/o Gary Flanner Olsen, Esq. , Box 38 , Main Road,
Mattituck, New York, for Variances to the Zoning Ordinance as
follows : ''(1) approval of insufficient width and area of parcels
to be established in a proposed .subdivision, Article III, Section
100-31, (2) permission to reinstate preexisting noncomplying
sideyard setback, (3) approval of access, New York Town Law,
Section 280-A. Location of property: South side of Route 25 ,
Mattituck, New York; bounded north by Route 25; west by Matt
Agency, Jarzombeck, Roth; south by Mellender; east by Pumillo,
Hallock, Steinhart, Jackson, Bilianos . County Tax Map Item No.
1000-143-2--33 .2 .
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The Chairman opened the hearing at 8 : 22 P.M. by reading the
application for variances, legal notice of hearing and" affidavits
attesting to its publication in the local and official newspapers,
Notice of Disapproval from the Building Inspector", and letter from
the Town Clerk that adjoining property owners were notified; fee
paid $15 . 00 .
CHAIRMAN: We have copies of the survey, and copy of the County
Tax Map showing this and surrounding properties .
GARY FLANNER OLSEN, ESQ. ; Gary Olsen, attorney in Mattituck
representing the applicant. This seems like it might be a rather
confusing application. There are a lot of things that we !:re asking
for , but it really is not all that difficult. - We're dealing with
2 . 587 acres , and half of it is zoned B-1 . The other half is;>,z,oned
A-Residential . What we 're looking for is to create two parcels in
the B-1 District and two parcels in the A. In the_ B-1 District we
have a total area of 53 ,500 square feet, and in the A-District we
have" a total of 59 , 000 square feet. Not to grant an area variance
for the residential section would be a hardship and would create a
practical difficulty in that it would create an oversized parcel
for the community, so what we 're seeking to do is to create two
pieces in the residentially zoned area. One piece would have a
square footage of 23 ,500 square feet; that would be Parcel No. 3 .
And Parcel No. 4 would almost meet the area requirements, it would
have an area of 35 ,500 square feet. Now, the only thing we can do
with those properties is use them for residential purposes; and
since it is an interior piece, and the only way we can get a build-
ing permit on both of those interior parcels is by getting an
access variance. The application also includes a request for the
Board to grant an access variance under Section 280-A of the Town.
Law, and the proposed access is shown on the annexed survey. It ' s
basically a 20-foot right-of-way over Parcel No. 2 , and then
Parcel 3 is fed by an additional right-of-way over Parcel 4 . Not
to grant the access variance would mean that the interior residential-
ly zoned property could not be utilized, so I think as a matter
of law the Board must grant the access variance to get to the
residentially zoned -property. Also, the two residentially zoned
pieces to be created would be generally in keeping with the size
and shape of other parcels in the." community. I think if you
look at the tax map, you will .s'ee that the other parcels in the
neighborhood, both on Bay Avenue and Marlene are generally in
keeping with the size and shape of the pieces .to be created, and
if anything, they're smaller than the pieces to be created.
Parcel No. 4 as I have stated will be 35 ,500 square feet; it' s
about 4500 square feet short of the 40, 000 that the Town requires
at this point without the variance. Now, as far as the two pieces
to be created, Parcel 1 and Parcel 2 to be created in the B-1
Zoned District, there is a structure on Parcel 1 . There is a
house there at this point. The way the lines are drawn, Parcel 1
would have an area of 26 ,500 square feet, and Parcel 2 would have
an area of 27 , 000 square feet. We do need a sideyard variance
for the house, as you can see we 're asking that the sideyard be
reduced to 5 feet. I don't think it ' s that significant since the
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applicant is the owner of both pieces, and if anyone should _ptrchase
Parcel 2 , they would understand that a sideyard variance was
created for the house. We •do have a purchaser for Parcel 2 ,
and of course the sale would be -contingent upon the Board granting
our application. It would be a financial hardship if the Board
did not. Now, the intended uses for Parcel 1 and Parcel 2, would be
basically the permitted uses under B, B-Zone, which is Light Business.
The- property is zoned B-1 , and under the zoning bulk schedule, B-1
needs 30, 000 square feet , so we 're looking for an area variance for
both Parcels 1 and 2, and you' ll see that Parcel 1 is fairly close
to 30, 000 square feet. It will be 26 ,500, so it ' s pretty darn close.
We 're not asking for that much of a. variance. And Parcel 2 is only
3 , 000 square feet short. of what is required in B-1 , and it has
27 , 000 square feet. Now, in the B-1 District we are permitted
through the Zoning Code to, one of the permitted uses is to do
what you can do in B . Now, the area of requirements for B, is
only 20, 000 square feet in area. So, as I stated, the applicant
would only intend on using Parcel 1 and Parcel 2 for those per-
mitted uses that are permitted under the Light Business or under
the B, with basically retail . We 're not looking to put a gas
station in or any of the other things that would require a B-1.
So, we are creating two pieces that would exceed the requirements
for the intended use. - And we also need a width variance
for Parcel 1 and Parcel 2 , and I think if you look again at the
Tax Map and the other businesses up and down Main Street and the
Main Road in Mattituck, you' ll see that these two pieces would conform
in size and shape and probably would exceed area and probably
even width -the other parcels up and down the Main Road in Matti-
tuck that .are also in the same zoning area that are in single acid
separate ownership. So, the two pieces to be created, Parcel 1
and Parcel 2 , would be generally in keeping with the size and
shape of the other parcels on the Main Road in Mattituck, and
again if you wanted to make the decision contingent upon using
the two Parcels 1 and 2 to restrict them for the use permitted
in the Light Business, I 'm sure there would be no problem in that.
As I say, these pieces would both exceed the area that would be
required. If you have any questions, I would be happy to try to
answer them.
CHAIRMAN: Yes, I have one, Mr. Olsen. What ever became of
that strip -that was supposed to be Old Town Road, has it ever
been deeded to Schoenhaar or anyone that you would know?
MR. OLSEN: I would think that the survey as we have sub-
mitted- it shows what they own at this point.
SECRETARY: I checked with the Town Clerk and she says it
has been conveyed, but it has never been zoned.
CHAIRMAN: I understand through the Town Clerk, Linda says
it has been conveyed but it has never been re-zoned. So that
is something we will have to check out.
So'uthold Town Board of Appeals -13- March 20, 1980
MR. OLSEN: Just as a matter of history also, I think the .
Board should know that I have submitted an application to the
Planning Board and have discussed this matter with the Planning
Board at its meeting of February 11 , 1980. Of course, with
the new procedure they want me to come here first, and then I
assume you'll discuss it with the Planning Board if you should
grant the application. I understand it would be contingent
upon also getting the Planning Board approval .
MEMBER TUTHILL: Is that house shown on Parcel 1 , the old
Pumillo house?
MR. OLSEN: I guess so.
MR. CRON: Yeah, I think that' s correct.
MEMBER TUTHILL: Which is in a state of disrepair?
MR.OLSEN: I don't know. I haven't been through there.
MEMBER -TUTHILL: What are they supposed to do with that
house, do you have any idea?
MR. OLSEN: I don't know. One obvious possibility would be
to, if it ' s going to be used for Light Business purposes, retail
purposes, that if it were ever sold, it would be renovated and--
MEMBER TUTHILL: Or moved back.
MR. OLSEN: I don't know. I 'm asking that it be permitted
to stay where it is, and ask the. Board to grant the sideyard
variance. It ' s been there for a long time.
CHAIRMAN: Yeah, it ' s about five feet off the proposed division
line.
MR. OLSEN: I understand that. But again the applicant would
be the owner of the adjoining at this point, and the purchaser of
that piece would understand that you granted a variance, a sideyard
variance, and I don't think it will materially change the character
of the neighborhood.
MEMBER TUTHILL: The applicant is also the owner of the Coach
Stoppe, or the operator of it, Gary?
MR. OLSEN: I don't know. There is a right-of-way in between
so I don:•`.t know if the owner is the same.
MEMBER TUTHILL: The applicant I said.
MR. OLSEN: I don't know.
MEMBER TUTHILL: Schoenhaar.
MR. OLSEN; I don 't know.
Southold Town Board of Appeals -14- March 20, 1980 ,
CHAIRMAN: Is Mr. Schoenhaar here?
MR. OLSEN: No, he ' s not. As a matter of fact, under the
Light Business, I see that there are no sideyard requirements.
CHAIRMAN: I suppose so . Is there anyone else who wants
to add anything to this?
-MR. OLSEN: So, I don 't know if we need a sideyard variance
quite frankly because there are none.
CHAIRMAN: Is there anyone to speak against this?
PAUL ROTH: I 'm Paul Roth, one of the people affected by this.
I represent a group of taxpayers who oppose the granting of these
variances for a number of reasons. We drew up a petition to be
presented to the Board. (Mr. Roth brought the petition to be made
part of the record. ) Most. of these people are directly. affected..
Some are indirectly, but they all live on Marlene or Bay Streets.
Some of the reasons we feel a variance shouldn't be granted is,
for one thing, there are more commercial businesses right on the
Main Road. That area right there already has a serious traffic
problem with the A & P Shopping Center, the Bowling Alley, the
Coach Stoppe. A lot of the elderly people that live on Marlene
Lane have great difficulty crossing that street, and if the com-
mercial venture were put in on Lots l and 2 , even though it ' s
not shown on the survey map that you have, it' s directly opposite
one of the entrances to the Shopping Center. We think it will
complicate matters more seriously than they are now by way of
traffic . Also, I think by creating the two residential lots in
the back it may give rise to some trespassing incidences .
Children are involved in those homes that possibly would be
built back there. Instead of walking to those rear lots, approxi-
mately 400 or 500 feet all the way out to the Main Road and down
to Marlene, to go all the way back down to Marlene to get to the
beach, they would probably just cut across one of the lots of
Hallock, on the survey maps . It would be much shorter for them.
I think it would be a temptation for them to do that, rather
than walk all the way up. to the Main Road. In any event, if
the variance were granted, even if they put a fence around the
whole thing to force those children to. go through that right-of-
way, then I think you would be exposing the children to the
hazards of the Main Road. There is quite a bit of traffic there.
There are no sidewalks along that part of the Main Road there.
Also, as far as the fact that the acreage of these lots is
about the same as the lots around it, well, I think at some
point a line has to be drawn, and not crossed. I believe the
zoning is roughly an acre for residential lots now, and I just
feel if it keeps going on like this of the zoning law itself
they - are just going to become ludicrous and just won't
mean anything, if the lot that' s under an acre is approved. I
don't think that even though the lots around it are half acre
or so, that you really, I do think it ' s something for you to
consider. Thank you.
Southold Town Board of Appeals -15- March 20, 1980
CHAIRMAN: Thank you.
MRS . ROTH: From what I understand right. now, there is a water
problem in the area. I think that a grant of a variance for any-
thing like this to approve approximately a half acre would create
more problems. I spoke to the people in this area, and they said
that they have had a lot of problems with their well water . If
you grant the variance then they would build up, more houses,
with more than one parcel involved that may create more water
problems. Another point is, I don't know what kind of busines"s
is going up, but if it 's a wet business it would require special
sewage. I don't know if it has been proposed, I don 't know what
they're proposing now, but the sewage now may be inadequate. They
need special sewage in the area, which isn't up to standards. And
also, the five-foot sideyard there, I believe that might be a
hazard to future businesses being developed.
MR: ROTH: Especially if, as Mr. Olsen says, Lot 2 is sold to
some new prospective owner.
MRS . ROTH: He doesn't have to comply with some type of
verbal agreement. He can do whatever he wants on that particular
piece of property.
MR. ROTH: I was thinking with"the small distance beside the
existing house and the property line between 1 and 2 and the
right-of-way -on the east side he really does have a very small
area in there in which he can -build. He can't build through the
right-of-way and you certainly wouldn't want to get too close to
the house. fit would be a very, very narrow strip of land. One
other additional item, I was walking down Marlene Lane the other
day, and it ' s just---south of the Litchhult property, is it on. the
survey map? I noticed they, it looked like a creek to me but
maybe it was just- drainage from the road, I 'm not sure. In any
event the southern, just . south of the Litchhult property is Town
of Southold property if you'll look on the tax map. And possibly
it- is a creek flowing through there, and according to the
standards for sewage and waste water. and disposal systems from
the Suffolk County Department of Health, you are not permitted
to have a septic tank or a leeching pool within 100 feet of any
surfaces receiving waters, so if that creek, if it is a creek,
meanders up north and comes near those rear residential lots
he is going to have trouble placing those cesspools. If it' s
in the Town, they should check with it as a creek there, or road
drainage , or what, I 'm not really sure.
CHAIRMAN: Well, that would have to be approved by the Board
of Health, before they could do anything.
MR. ROTH: Ok.
MR. GLOWACKI: My name is Glowacki . I 'm President of the
Marlene Lane Civic Association. Just as a matter of information,
you mentioned at the beginning of the dialogue there that the
Southold Town Board of Appeals -16- March 20, 1980
Building Inspector has disapproved this variance? Just what
validity does that have?
CHAIRMAN: Well, the Building Inspector can only grant
permits on legal-sized parcels in any zone.
MR. GLOWACKI: As long as it doesn't meet the standards
he has to disapprove it immediately?
CHAIRMAN: Right. The only way anything winds up here
is through a Disapproval by the Building Inspector'.
MR. GLOWACKI : Right. Ok:
YVETTE MELANDER: I just want to say that what Mr. Roth
said we back him up and we go along with it, and in speaking
with the neighbors , all the neighbors on Bay Avenue, we live
on Bay Avenue, are very much against this, very upset about
it and we can 't see any reason why this should be granted
against why the Town Ordinances are . I mean if the Town
Ordinance has been set up and the neighbors are upset, the
taxpayers are upset with this sort of. thing, certainly you
have to go along with the majority of the taxpayers.
CHAIRMAN: Thank you. Anyone else?
MRS . ROTH: I 'm also saying that the right-of-way may not
be sufficient. The access might be impeded at the Main Road
especially by firefighting equipment. It may not be sufficient
for trucks and those vehicles to get through. It may also
create future access problems that may arise as a result of
business in the area.
MRS . MELANDER: Just a question. I don't know if if it' s
in place at this meeting. What type of businesses are they
planning? Can we ask that if they know?
CHAIRMAN: If he knows, maybe he can tell us.
MR. OLSEN: I 'm not sure at this point. It ' s going to be
retail in nature.
MRS. MELANDER: If I ask you directly, we heard they are
going to build a fish store, can you answer me on that?
MR. OLSEN: No . You have to understand that the property
is zoned B-1 and there are a lot of permitted uses that probably
you would rather have what ' s going to go in, I would think,
than what is permitted. Fishing stations are permitted as a
matter of law. Public garages, gasoline service-stations.
MRS .LMELANDER: Except on that smaller lot?
CHAIRMAN: B-1 allows a multitude of uses.
Southold Town Board of Appeals -17- March 20, 1980
MR. OLSEN: There are a lot of things that are permitted in
B-1. The permitted uses, the intended use would be better .
MRS . MELANDER: But not on that smaller lot?
CHAIRMAN: Well , B-1 doesn't require as big a lot as a
building lot. Is there anyone else?
MR. ROTH: I had just one more thing, too. It seems to me
too a little bit silly to put up possibly a new building on
lot 2 when. there are plenty of t, you have two empty shopping
centers in Mattituck, and it 's true that maybe the person doesn't
want to pay rent but it is still something for the Board to
consider, this stripped development that 's occurring along Main
Road in Mattituck. It ' s not occurring along any other Town or
Tillage on the North Fork, and it gets very tiresome for the
residents to `see" Mattituck singled out for, just this- really
want for developing doesn't seem really fair.
CHAIRMAN: I know. It just seems to be something that
draws like a magnet towards Mattituck lately.
MRS . MELANDER: I just wanted to know, is there some sort
of survey that has to be taken in the area for this type of
business. In other words, a supporting clientele before they
can open this.
CHAIRMAN: I don't know. I don't go too much by those
because look at all those shopping centers we had. They were
built according to surveys .by potential clients and they've
all gone down the drain so far, so. That' s something that we
don 't have any control of. I mean, we have too much control
according to many people. But this is one thing that we can't
you know, say just what kind of business a man is going to
have in there, because there .is quite a list of the different
types of business that can be done in this type of area.
MRS . MELANDER: As I said, if it was a fish station, they
may need certain types of sewage requirements for that area.
And being that the lot is undersized to begin with, it may
insufficient to support that -- leeching pools and septic tanks.
CHAIRMAN: Well, that would be a matter for the Board of
Health. We 're not the experts, they are on that. And if they
don't give a permit they can't go in there. That' s all there
is to it. We .may say it' s all right, and they come along and
say no, you can't, and that' s it. Is there anyone else? Do
any of you boys have any questions?
MEMBER GOEHRINGER: I just wanted to ask Mr. Olsen, is . the
property owner aware of the fact of the overflow problem from
the parking of Coach Stoppe on, I guess , it ' s Lot No. 2?
MR. OLSEN: I don't know if the owner is one of the same.
Southold Town Board of Appeals -18- March 20 , 1980
MEMBER GOEHRINGER: No, I didn't say that. I just said the
present owner of this property, is he aware of the overflow problem?
MR. OLSEN: Well, that would be something that he would have
to contend with, obviously. There are ways of preventing that
with fencing, if it got to that point.
MEMBER GOEHRINGER: Thank you.
CHAIRMAN: If there are no further comments, I would like to-
MEMBER TUTHILL: I frankly in answer to the petition, I 'm
more concerned to the specific objections and the nature of them
rather than I am the number of names on the petition, and the
validity of those objecting to this; - the conformity of the
reasons I should say. I would also , like to for that reason
like time to study the minutes on this to see what reasons have
been advanced for denying it, and further I would like to ascer-
tain, if the applicant is the same Schoenhaar that is shown as
owning the Coach Stoppe, then I would like to see a survey of
the property showing the Coach Stoppe with its parking area, and
also these lots as proposed here. Maybe I 'm asking too much,
but I don't think so.
CHAIRMAN; I think you have every reason to. I think you
have reason enough to ask for it.
. MEMBER TUTHILL: Frankly, in addition to the number of
reasons that you people have proposed, if the applicant is the
same as who �owns the Coach Stoppe and now has that as a Deli,
I 'm as much concerned with his parking problem as I am with
any of the reasons that have been advanced here tonight. And
that ' s why I want to see the whole set up there, where one
relates to the other.
MR. GLOWACKI : The water problems up at the Main Road up
there are causing the, well I shouldn't say sewage problem, but
causing the water problems up there. We have people up at the
front of our street on Marlene Lane that, whose water is brown.
Right now, there are people, there ' s a young lady, Jean Jarzombeck,
she was telling me she has brown water up there right now. So you
better stop cutting up property smaller and smaller. You're not
going to help this situation whatsoever. Now part of this is '
because of the Bowling Alley. If you go by there, it seems to
me that every month they are having their pools pumped out and
of course, right across the street you've got the big shopping
center. And then down the block a little way you've got the
Coach Stoppe. And then right on the corner there you have a
Beauty Parlor, there is all kinds of water going on in it. I
think they are just getting overloaded. And we 've got to give
these people some. kind of a break.
MEMBER TUTHILL: Mr. Chairman, would you read what the
hardship is again?
Southold Town Board of Appeals L19- March 20, 1980
CHAIRMAN: It says,
. . .Strict application of the ordinance would produce
practical difficulties or unnecessary hardship because
applicant seeks to divide subject premises into four par-
cels.. Parcels 1 and 2 are located in B-1 zoned district
and said parcels would be used for retail stores. There
is an existing building on Parcel 1 which requires a side-
yard variance. Parcels 3 and 4 are located in A-zoned
district and would be used for residential purposes and
access thereto `Would be over a 20-foot right-of-way as
shown on the annexed survey, which is made part of this
Application. . . -
And then it says,
. . .The hardship created is unique and is not shared
by all properties alike in the immediate vicinity of this
property and in this use district because the Applicant ' s
premises is located partly in a Brl Zoned District and
partly in an A--Zoned District.
CHAIRMAN: If there is no one else who has any questions, I
think, I would like to offer a resolution recessing this until
April loth.
MEMBER TUTHILL: It should be recessed with no date until
we receive the papers . We can re-publish it.
CHAIRMAN: I mean, recessed no date.
MR. OLSEN: Why don 't I find out from you tomorrow just wha
you want and we can discuss it.
CHAIRMAN: We 're running a little bit behind, so we ' ll go
over it later on, .and I ' ll make up a list and you can give me
a call or I 'll get in touch with you, to see what else we will
need .
MR. GLOWACKI: Do you folks have the County test the water
up there?
CHAIRMAN: The Board of Health will take care of that.
MR: GLOWACKI : Can you have the Board of Health test the
water up there before you can make your decision?
CHAIRMAN: It ' s up to the applicant.
MR: GLOWACKI : I should have brought a bottle of brown water
here and put it on your desk.
CHAIRMAN: Maybe it's better than the white water, I don't know.
Southold Town Board of Appeals -20- March 20, 1980
MRS. MELANDER:Before you go on, I know that you are running
behind, put I_ do_ want to add, we are Melander, and the two lots
would be touching on our property. We just bought that property
on November 19th we took title. I certainly would be very unhappy,
and certainly would not have bought the property had I known that
they were going to split that up into two lots, and there might be
people who are not going to go through to the Main Road, crossing
on my property to go through to the beach. Because this is a
beach community and anybody leaving there may not go to that 20-foot
road that ' s going to go through, and it is in the ordinance that
it be at least an acre now, and so it would be enough to build on
one lot, but not to make two lots over there. I think we will
also have to be considered on that level .
On motion by Mr. Grigonis , seconded by Mr . Tuthill, it was
RESOLVED, to RECESS the matter of ROY C. SCHOENHAAR, Appeal
No. 2674 , with no date, and when it has been scheduled to. .
reconvene, that it be re-advertised in the local and official
newspapers.
Vote of the Board: Ayes: Messrs . Grigonis, Tuthill, Doyen
and Goehringer. Absent: Messr. Douglass.
Member Tuthill left the room at 9 : 02 and returned at 9 : 05 in
time for the next public, hearing.
PUBLIC HEARING: Appeal No. 2676 . Application of ELEANOR
RUCH, by Richard J. Cron, Esq. , Main Road, Cutchogue, New York
for a Variance to the Zoning Ordinance, Article III, Section
100-31 for approval of insufficient area and width of parcels
known as filed Subdivision Map of Shorecrest Lots No . 1, 4 , 15 ,
17 , 18 and 19 at Arshamomaque, Southold, New York. County Tax
Map Item No. 1000-52-3-20 , 22 , 25 , 29 , 30 , 31.
The Chairman opened the hearing at 9 :03 P.M. by reading
the application for a Variance, legal notice of hearing and
affidavits attesting to its publication in the local and offi-
cLal newspapers , Notice of Disapproval from the Building
Inspector, and letter from the Town Clerk that notification
to adjoining property owners was made; fee paid $15 . 00 .
CHAIRMAN: Do they have public water in this area?
1�,R, CR,ON; Yes , town water.
CHAIRMAN: I was curious , whether there was a hydrant or
a well.
MR. CRON; It' s served by Town water, Village water.
Southold Town Board ,of Appeals -21- March 20 , 1980
CHAIRMAN; Is there anything you would like to add to that
Mr. Cron?
MR. CRON: Do you ask me if I wish to speak?
CHAIRMAN: Yes .
MR. CRON: Yes. If I May. As you know, the relief that we
are. requesting on behalf of the applicant is basically the relief
that exists on the filed map as it. was filed in the County Clerk' s
Office in 1971. For some reason, unexplainable to me and by others
to me, this map was not one of the maps that was excepted from the
ordinance when dt went into effect to. 40 , 000 square feet in November
of 1971 . For some reason, they stopped at this map and" did every-
thing that was prior to it.. And what we are dealing here with is
not a proposed subdivision, but a subdivision that is very much in
existence and has been in existence since 1971 . Together with all
of the improvements that were. required by the Town in terms of a
road, the curbing,, and of rather recent date a complete sump and
drainage area as I indicated of great cost to the applicant to solve
some of the drainage problems that existex in the subdivision. The
sump and drainage area was placed between Lots 2 and 3 and as a
result of putting the drainage area this, this Board, and not
necessarily the members of this Board, granted a substandard area
variance to Lots 2 and 3 , so as I pointed out in the application,
Lots 1 and 4 while they do not meet the present ordinance require-
ments leave .no .room for expansion and consolidation with any other
adjoining or contiguous lots. So the application really for a
variance is one of technicality, simply because it adjoins other
land of the applicant, to wit, as far as 1-Lot 2, . and as far as 4- .
Lot 3 . With respect ,to that triangular piece of land within the
road areas there, you 've got Lots 17 , 18 and 19 . Lot 17 already
has a house on it for with a C/O was issued, and which will shortly
close as far as title, which basically leaves Lots 18 and 19 as
really being the only lots, if you were to enforce the ordinance
at this time as really being the only lots if you were to enforce
the ordinance.. at this time for which you could compel more than
40 , or 40 ,000 or more square feet. And you can, see that would
create a tremendously oversized lot and an awful odd shaped lot.
As far as Lot 15 as I indicated that ' s sandwiched between lots of
other parties. I think, you know, to grant the variances that we
request insofar as width and area, certainly are just and fair
to the applicant. Frankly I thought the Board, the Town Board when
I said the Board; might of considered really adopting a resolution
at this time and making this one of the excepted maps . However,
for some reason they have chosen not to do so, so we must proceed
through this Board. So I would ask this Board to consider the
relief that we ask. In light of the fact that it is not going to
change anything, this is a filed map, everything is here that you
see and there is nothing to be done except grant the variances
that we request. Actually, I think all of the lots pretty much
have 150 width requirement. So what we 're really requesting is
respectively the area, so I would ask that you favorably look upon
the application.
Southold Town Board of Appeals -22- March 20, 1980
CHAIRMAN: Thank you. Is there anyone else who wishes to
speak in favor?
MRS . SERVIN: May I just ask a question. My name is Mrs.
Servin and I received a notice of the hearing. I 'm not too
familiar with the proceeding, so if my question has already
been answered. This application is just to revert back to the
measurements on the 1971 map that was filed, right? Not to
reduce it further?
CHAIRMAN: No.
MRS. 'ERVIN: Just to go to whatever they had'.
CHAIRMAN: The only reason they are in here for is that this
wasn't made part of the ordinance by being accepted as a part of
the ordinance. There are certain developments , quite a number of
developments that were made part of the ordinance but this for
some reason at the time, wasn't, maybe he wasn't altogether ready
when they were doing it or something.
MR. CRON: I think it was just overlooked.
MRS. SERVIN; The denial would mean because it 'did not meet
one acre, is that basically what this is?
MRS . SERVIN: Yes. Yes , sir?
HAROLD SERVIN: Another question, could you give me the
dimensions of Lot 15 of which we are adjacent? In other words,
where would it revert to?
CHAIRMAN: Lot 15 , you want to know just where it is located
or the width?
MR.SERVIN: No , no, just size.
CHAIRMAN: It ' s 141 .55 on the narrow end, 170.45 on the wider
end, and it' s fronting the road 180 feet and on the back side it ' s
182 .31.
MR. SERVIN: Does that roughly constitute about two-thirds of
an acre?
MR. CRON: That ' s correct.
CHAIRMAN: Yeah. That' s one of the bigger lots along in that
area right there, by a little bit.
MR. CRON: I think the analysis of Mrs . Servin was correct .
I think her point was well taken. There is no change being sought
in terms of reduction of anything that shown on that map. It ' s just
, to get an approval at this time of really what has existed since 1971.
Southold Town Board of Appeals -23- March 20 , 1980
MEMBER TUTHILL: This was laid' out prior to the one-acre zoning.
MRS . SERVIN: Then I really couldn't understand the denial .
MR. CRON: Well , it' s technical . That' s the only reason for it.
CHAIRMAN: Yeah, it' s a technicality. When he should come in
got a building permit or something, the Building Inspector is bound
to go by the book.
MEMBER TUTHILL: You say you are going to. have some problem
with 18 and 19?
CHAIRMAN: No . If it weren't granted he would have a problem.
It would be an enormous lot.
MRS . SERVIN:. Does the same code apply in terms of the size of
a building that ' s built on two-thirds as it does on the one-acre?
CHAIRMAN: Right.
MRS . SERVIN: The distance from the boundaries are the same?
CHAIRMAN: Right. It will have to conform with anything that
is already in there. Does anyone else have any questions? (There
was no response. ) Does the board have any questions? (There was
no response. ) I 'd like to offer a resolution that it be granted
as applied for.
After investigation and inspection, the Board finds that the
applicant is requesting approval of insufficient area of lots known
as "Shorecrest Subdivision Lots No . 15 , 1 , 4 , 17 , 18 and 19 at Arsha-
momaque, " and approval of insufficient width of lots known as
"Shorecrest Subdivision Lots No. 1 and 15 at Arshamomaque, " Southold,
New York. Shorecrest Subdivision Map was filed in the County Clerk' s
Office April 6 , 1971, and under Section 265A of Town Law, it appears
that any revision of the zoning code which increases the lot area
in excess of. the lot area shown on a filed subdivision map (unless
included in the "Exceptions" list of Subdivisions of the Town Zoning
Ordinance) would require compliance with the lot area and width
requirements, after three years of the date of filing the subdivision
map in the County Clerk ' s Office, to wit, April 6 , 1974 . Apparently,
the subject lots have been conveyed subsequent to April 6 , 1974 ,
requiring compliance. Tke Board does agree with the reasoning of
the applicant.
The Board finds that the circumstances present in this case are
unique, and that strict application of the ordinance would produce
practical difficulties or unnecessary hardship . The Board believes
that the grant of a variance in this case will not change the character
of the neighborhood and will observe the spirit of the zoning ordinance.
Southold Town Board of Appeals -24- March 20, 1980
On motion by Mr. Grigonis, seconded by Mr. Goehringer, it was
RESOLVED, that ELEANOR RUCH, be GRANTED a Variance to the Zoning
Ordinance, Article III, Section 100-31 in Appeal No . 2676 approving
the insufficient area of Shorecrest Subdivision Lots No . 1, , 4 , 15 ,
17 , 18 , 19 as applied for, and approving the insufficient width of
lots known. as Shorecrest Subdivision Lots No. 1 and 15 as applied
for, SUBJECT to the approval of the Southold Town Plahning Board.
Location of property: Shorecrest Subdivision at Arshamomaque,
Southold, New York. County Tax Map Item Nos. 1000-52-3-20, 22 , 25 ,
29 , 30 and 31 .
Vote, of the Board: Ayes: Messrs. Grigonis, Tuthill, Doyen and
Goehringer . Absent:, Messr . Douglass.
PUBLIC HEARING: Appeal No . 2675 . Application of JOHN CLIFFORD
CORNELL, by Richard J. Cron, Esq. , Main Road, Cutchogue, New York
for a Variance to the Zoning Ordinance, Article III, Section 100-31
for approval of insufficient area and width of parcels known as filed
Subdivision Map of Shorecrest Lots No. 6 , 7 , 8 and 9 at Arshamomaque,
Southold, New York. County Tax Map Item Nos. 1000-52-3-28 , 32, 33 , 34 .
The Chairman opened the hearing at 9:20 .P.M. by reading the
application for a variance and Notice of Disapproval from the Building
Inspector. Richard J. Cron agreed to waive the reading of the
legal notice of hearing as published in the Suffolk Times and
Long Island Traveler-Watchman. Member Goehringer left the room
at 9 : 20 , but returned at 9 : 24 during the reading of the application.
CHAIRMAN: We have a copy of the County Tax Map showing the
subject property and the surrounding areas .
MEMBER TUTHILL: This is basically the same thing?
RICHARD J. CRON, ESQ.. : On the consequences of not granting
the variance is again minimal with respect to this application for
the reason that with respect to Lot 5 has an already existing resi-
dence there. On Lot 6 it is vacant and has been sold and there is
actually a C/O on it. Which would leave you basically 7 , 8 and 9
to play with. The best you could do was make two lots out of three,
all of which would be oversized. For the reasons that I advanced
with respect to the application of, Mrs Ruch, I would also advance
the same reasons with respect to the application of Mr. Cornell.
MEMBER--TUTHILL: It seems to me that even with lots 7 , 8 and 9
that there would be no point in making them larger, and no necessity
for it because they are in keeping with all the other lots in the
area, and I move it be granted if there are no objections.
CHAIRMAN: Is there anyone wishing to speak against this
application? (There was no response. )
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After investigation and inspection, the Board finds that
the applicant is requesting approval of insufficient area of
lots known as Shorecrest Subdivision Lots. No. 6 , .7 , 8 , 9 at
Arshamomaque, Southold, New York, and -approval of insufficient
width of lots known as Shorecrest Subdivision Lots No. 6 , 7 and
8 at Arshamomaque, Southold, New York. Shorecrest Subdivision
Map was filed in the Suffolk County Clerk' s Office on April 6 ,
1971 and under Section 265A of Town Law, it appears that any
revision of the zoning code which increases the lot area and
width shown on a filed subdivision map (unless included in the
"Exceptions" list of subdivisions of the Town Zoning Ordinance)
would require compliance with the lot area and width requirements ,
after three years of the date of filing the subdivision map in
the County Clerk' s Office, to wit, April 6 , 1974 . Apparently,
the subject lots have been conveyed subsequent to April 6 , 1974
requiring compliance. The Board does agree with the reasoning
of the applicant.
The Board finds that the circumstances present in this case
are unique, and that strict application of the ordinance would
produce practical difficulties or unnecessary hardship. The
Board believes that the granting of a variance in this case will
not change the character of the neighborhood and will observe
the spirit of the zoning ordinance.
On .motion by Mr. Tuthill, seconded by Mr. Doyen, it was
RESOLVED, that JOHN CLIFFORD CORNELL, be GRANTED a Variance
to the Zoning Ordinance, Article III, Section 100-31 in Appeal
No 2675, approving the insufficient area of "Shorecrest Sub-
division Lots No. 6 , 7 , 8 and 9 at Arshamomaque, " and approving
the insufficient width of lots known as "Shorecrest Subdivision
Lots No. 6 , 7 and 8 at Arshamomaque, " as applied for, SUBJECT to
the approval of the Southold Town Planning Board.
Location of property: Shorecrest Subdivision at Arshamomaque,
Southold, New York. County Tax Map Item Nos. 1000-52-3-28 , 32 ,
33 and 34 .
Vote of the Board: Ayes : Messrs . Grigonis , Tuthill, Doyen
and Goehringer. Absent: Messr . Douglass.
RECESSED HEARING: Appeal. No. 2668 . Application of RALPH H.
DICKINSON, by Abigail A. Wickham, Esq. , Main Road, Box 1424 ,
Mattituck, New York, for a Variance to the Zoning Ordinance,
Article III, Section 100-31 for permission to construct with an
insufficient frontyard setback. Location of property: Right-of-way
off Great Peconic Bay Boulevard, Laurel; bounded north by Graham
and Hech; east by Arthur; south by Great Peconic Bay; west by
McDowell. County Tax Map No. 1000-128-006-005.
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The Chairman reconvened the hearing at 9:26 P.M. and the
reading of- the legal notice, application and Notice of Disapproval
was dispensed with. No one objected.
CHAIRMAN: Is there anyone here to speak for it? There have
been some changes I understand from the original.
ABIGAIL A. WICKHAM, ESQ. : My name is Abigail Wickham, attorney
for the applicant, Dr. and Mrs. Dickinson. I would like to start by
saying that we 're requesting a variance from the setback requirements
of the zoning ordinance , due to peculiar, the peculiar direction
from which the driveway enters this property. A technical reading
of the zoning ordinance results in the east and west yards being
considered the rear and front yards respectively on the property
since the driveway does come in from the westerly, on the westerly
boundary. I would .like to ask the Board, however, to consider- this
property in terms of the configuration of the neighboring properties
where in each case the front and back yards are to the north and
south of the properties. In that light, the east and west yards
would really be the side yards as they are in the neighboring
properties, and we do, I would like to point out, meet the sideyard
setback requirements. We have 14 feet. on the east and 26 at the
narrowest portion on the west. The building inspector took the
position that the street line was .not Peconic Bay Boulevard, the
public road, but the right-of-way coming in to the property in
that the street line thereby defined the technical frontyard-
rearyard: If you look �at the shape of the lot, it is long and
narrow. It ' s from the Bay, south, and it was obviously intended
when this subdivision was broken up that the bay side would be
the front, or the bay and southerly side would be the front and
back respectively of the properties . The existing house to the
west, which is now owned by Mr. McDowell was Peter Warren' s residence,
when he subdivided the property and that had the frontyard and the
backyard at the north and south respectively. The other houses
that had been built, the Goodwin house and the Regel house along
the Boulevard operate the same and also the house to the east.
Also, at the time this property was subdivided there was a 35-foot
frontyard setback requirement. To .expect the applicant to adhere
to a 50-foot front and rear setback would mean that the house of
very narrow dimension would have to be placed way at the back or
at the northerly extremity of the property, down towards the
Boulevard. That' s the only way you could technically have enough
room. When you look at the location on the property, the interest
of the owner and I think the best use of the property is to take
advantage of your bay-view. We 've located. the house so that it
would be in line with the McDowell house to the east. It is
proposed that we locate it as far back from the bank as his house
is located. Because the slant of the bay beach, his house is
really in front of ours , but we did it in -- so he does come out
in front of ours . But we did try to put it back as far as his
house is . It ' s 50 feet from the bulkhead line, and it' s more than
200 feet from the edge of the Doctor ' s property at the shoreline.
As far as the distance of the proposed house from the neighboring
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properties , it is further , or would be further from the easterly
line than the house to the east is. That house is very close to
the line. I would say ten or 12 feet. We have 14 feet here.
The other houses to the south are as close to the line. It ' s
marked here, "Goodwin, " I believe, that ' s now, "Bendell; " it' s
10 feet from one of the sideyards and the "Regel" house directly
to the north of this property also has a 10--foot sideyard.
Therefore, if you would consider this in terms of actually a
sideyard here on the east and west I do think we can conform
to the general characteristics of the neighborhood. And we
would like to request a variance from this technicality that
this be considered a front and rear yard. I would like to point
out one other item. There is as you gentlemen saw when you
were at the property a large beach tree on the property. I
had Van Tuyl locate on the survey the location of the tree as
it would overlap with the proposed location of the house. If
you can see, the branches of the tree-- a beach tree as you
know has dense branches, they are low to the ground and really
are close together . The branches do encroach on where the house
would be located and they fall right over the patio and right
over the front wing of the house. I think that to trim the
lower branches would make the treet look ridiculous . If we
were to leave the tree, the tree would cut down on the. bayview,
3t would darken the house, create. a whole lawn of leaves in the
fall when they fell off, and also interfere withthe house, and'
the branches in the wind and what not. So the Doctor has made
every attempt he can to try to save trees on the property. This
unfortunately would have to be taken down, no matter where the
house were .located. It is right up in the front at the narrow
portion of property. And in order to locate a house there you
would have to take a tree down.
(Secretary mentioned that only a frontyard setback variance
is needed, - since that is the onln yard disapproved by the building
inspector. , Mrs' Wickham had men Toned a request for rearyard setback. )
MRS . WICKHAM: Yes, 'You 're right. He did consider this as
-sufEicient rearyard. It ' s mainly our frontyard that we 're con-
sidering. We have a minimum of 26 feet. When this property
was subdivided there was a 35-foot requirement.. We 're not very
far off, and when you consider the lattitude that the building
inspector has with connection with a small lot, he does have
authority I believe to reduce the requirements by 25% which is
about 26 to 29 feet. So we 're really just a few inches what
he would otherwise be able to grant. It ' s merely the technicality
of the driveway coming in to the side. We did want to have the
..ar2veway re-routed to the northerly portion of the property. We
were unable to get a signed agreement on that. We would still be
willing to go along with that, but that' s not the subject of this
application.
MEMBER TUTHILL: Under your reasoning, Gail, we do not have
the. -- only a 14-foot sideyard instead of 15?
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MRS . WICKHAM: You would have on the east side a 14-foot.
sideyard--
MEMBER TUTHILL: Instead of 15 , the minimum?
MRS . WICKHAM: Yeah, you have 20 and 15 . One has to be at
least 15 .
MEMBER TUTHILL: You have to have a combination of 40,
25 plus 15 . You could have the 15 on either side.
MRS . WICKHAM: We have 40.
MEMBER TUTHILL: You only have 14 if you call that a sideyard,
instead of 15 . What I''m saying is the minimum on either sideyard.
MRS . WICKHAM Both sideyards have to be, 35 feet total . One
sideyard has to be at least 15 feet, and the May I say something
h-ere on that. As I understand the zoning code and the bulk schedule
to rear, .both sideyards have to total 35 feet. That we do have.
One sideyard has to be at least 15 feet, and we have that on the
west of the property. It ' s not that both have to be at least 15
feet. It ' s that one has to be at least 15 feet.
CHAIRMAN: Is there anything else, Gail?
MRS . WICKHAM: Not at this time, no.
CHAIRMAN: Does anyone else wish to speak .for this? Does
anyone wksh. to speak against it?
EARL T, MILES , ESQ. : I 'm representing Mr. George McDowell ,
the adjoining owner on the west. He is present. He and his wife
own the property. The principal objection that Mr. McDowell has
is that rather than agreeing that the Doctor is trying to put his
-. house even with, is our position that if you drew the average
setback of the McDowell house and the house to the east, draw a
line between the two, you would find that the proposed dwelling
projects considerably south, or toward the Bay, and therefore
that this proposed dwelling is in fact in front of the location
where it should be . Apparently, it was the contemplation of the
developer of the property and of the Planning Board that the
35Tfoot setback then in existence would cause the structure to
be setback at least behind the existing tree or north of the
existing tree, and it is the suggestion of Mr. McDowell that the
Board cause the location of the house to be set sufficiently
north and would be on a line north of the tree, and north of a
line drawn between the front lines of the house on the west and
the house on the east. This would be an approximate. 80-foot
setback from the bank, another 30 feet from the 50 feet that is
proposed. It ' s my understanding that your bulk ordinance would
require a minimum of 15 feet on one side, on the smaller side,
and that therefore as the Board member pointed that out would be
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correct in indicating that they would need 15 feet on the easterly
side and they of course have more than 15 feet on the westerly
side. It is furthermore pointed out to the Board that we have
on behalf of Mr. McDowell specifically offered to re-locate the
right-.of-way so that it would enter further toward the north to
get rid of the swing of the driveway as it appears, and the only
point we had there which we would like to stress, we would like
to save the beach tree and not have it destroyed as is proposed
and the reason there was some difficulty in getting the negotiation
of the change of the right-of-way, there was another tree located
on Mr. McDowell ' s property, which they would like to have the road
swing around. And the description that was proposed would have
destroyed that tree and what we had suggested that if the surveyor
would stake it out so as to avoid the tree on the right-of-way, we
would have no problem whatsoever in re-locating the right-of-way.
On behalf of my client I offer for the record to re-locate the
right-of-way so that it enters on the northwesterly corner of
the Doctor ' s property, and the existing right-of-way so far as
it enters into the Doctor ' s propertyTADuld then be abandoned. We
specifically request that the Board take notice of the restrictive
covenant which was imposed in Liber 6424 , Page 63 , and I call upon
the Board to examine the record of the Planning Board which I
requested to be here. And I ask whether it is here.
SECRETARY: Yes , it is.
MR. MILES : Could I have it. Is there a decision of that
Planning Board that I could have read into the record please?
SECRETARY: The file is here. What decision are you looking
for?
_ MR. MILES : I haven't had a chance to look at it. I assume
it is a decision of the Board requiring this.
SECRETARY: There are no covenants here of the Planning Board.
MR. MILES ; There was a restriction imposed as a condition to
the granting the subdivision.
(The Secretary handed Mr. Miles the Planning Board file to
review- inasmuch-..as. _the _Secretary could not find a decision of the
Planning Board incorporating the covenants and restrictions referred
by Mr. Miles. )
MR. MILES : I direct the attention of the Board to the require-
ment of the Planning Board that a declaration of protective covenants
be submitted as Condition No. 1 in the Planning Board ' s file, and I
offer of that declaration and direct the Board ' s attention to para-
graph five of the declaration which affects this property and the
Doctor ' s property. And paragraph 5 provides that there shall be
no unreasonable destruction of trees or shrubbery on the premises
and Subdivision No. 8 of that covenant requires that all construction
be in accordance with the setback requirements of the Town of Southold.
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I offer a copy of that restriction into the record. (Mr. Miles
submitted a copy of covenants and restrictions made by Peter J.
and Susan E. Warren dated September 13 , 1968 recorded at Liber 6424
Page 63 , a copy of which was on file with the Planning Board. )
I further point out that the Doctor in acquiring the property
voluntarily was. on notice and had specific notice of the terms
and the conditions of this protective restrictive covenant, the
purpose of which was to preserve the entire layout. And I'm
certain that the contemplation of the Planning Board and of the
adjoining owners , including Mr. McDowell, was that no structure
would be forward of an average line drawn between his house and
the' adjoining house to the east of the proposed dwelling, and
that in any event the structure would be 35 feet east of Mr .
McDowell ' s property. And I thank you very much. I realize it' s
quite late.
MRS . WICKIHAM: May I make a few comments in response to that?
CHAIRMAN: Yes.
MRS . WICKHAM: First of all, Mr . Miles doesn 't indicate any
evidence as to why he thinks the developer wanted the house to
be behind the tree or this tree to be saved, and in fact when Mr.
Warren conveyed this property along the road, he mentionedl&those
deeds specific trees that should not be destroyed. He -did not do
so on this property. Moreover Dr. Dickinson is certainly aware
of the restrictive covenants on this property. However, I submit
that that is not within the jurisdiction of this Board. The
covenants themselves say that the enforcement of them would be
in a Court of Law or Equity. That is not your concern at this
point, and in any event we feel that it' s not unreasonable to
have to remove a tree in order to put a house there. It was
obviously contemplated that a house would. be built on this lot
and you have to take down trees where the house will be. As far
as the .rightrof,way being located, that 's not here. That was the
subject of a previous application. We waited several months to
get an agreement from Mr . McDowell on that relocation, and it
was never signed, and we had to finally withdraw the application
and has been forced to come back here on the condition of the
original roadway. We would have no objection, and I 've told
Mr. Miles that to relocate the roadway that that would have to
beiin the future. I 'm not going to hold up this application in
order to do so. The first time I heard about this other tree
holding up the thing was tonight. I 've never--.heard that before,
and I 'm sure we can work that out. I would also like to point
out that this first reference to the average setback would be
two houses on either side of this property. That would put Dr.'
Dickinson ' s house back further than Mr . McDowell ' s house. We 're
saying we' ll go back as far as his house but I don 't see why we
should have to go back further, particularly since his juts out
considerably in front of ours due to the diaganol. of the beach.
As far as the restrictive covenant saying that the setback require-
ments be adhered to , I think a setback requirement of the Town is
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either what ' s in the Code or what the Zoning Board of Appeals state
it to be pursuant to a variance application because that is all
encompassed within the Code. I don't think I 've forgotten anything.
Do you have any questions?
MEMBER TUTHILL: Gail , this has been kicking around here for
I don't know how many meetings .
MRS. WICKHAM: I 'm painfully aware of that.
MEMBER TUTHILL: And we seem to be kind of spinning our wheels .
I 'd like to ask you a question that ' s very simple. The Doctor is
planning his house at almost what is the narrowest part of the
property. Why could he not move that house back 10 , 20 feet and
solve all the problems that we have, the tree, the sideyard, the
frontyard , and the whole thing?
MRS . WICKHAM: We 've already moved it back several feet, number
one. Number two, as I said, we want to try and take advantage of
the bay view, and as you move back because the sideyards narrow down
towards each other at the bay, and that would cut down on the view.
7urthermore, we 're 50 feet from the bulkhead and quite a distance
grom the edge of the property, so I don 't see how the Board can
require that we move it back any more. It ' s not a setback require-
ment that we 've violated.
MEMBER TUTHILL: I 'm not asking you to , I 'm not requiring you,
I ''m asking you why as- a practical matter.
MRS . WICKHAM: No, that ' s why, because of the bay view, because
we are back in line with the other house, and even if we move the
house back the tree would still be in the way.
MEMBER TUTHILL: This is going to be a ranch or a two-story?
MRS . WICKHAM: It ' s going to be a one-story house. If we
move the house back further, we 'd also be way behind Mr. McDowell ' s
house and cut off any view that way.
MEMBER TUTHILL: Well , I doubt if there would be any objection
to that.
MRS . WICKHAM: We would have an objection to that. His house,
if I might point out, is two stories- plus a big roof high. It' s a
very large structure.
MEMBER TUTHILL: I know the structure.
MRS . WICKHAM: And it would definitely get in the -way. I hope
I 've answered your question.
CHAIRMAN: I think so , Gail . I don't know, do any of you- have
any other questions? Is there anyone else who wants to add to what
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has been said? Either side? (There was no response. )
CHAIRMAN: We would like to study this out a little more, so I
would like to put a resolution on the floor that we close the hear-
ing and we make a decision a little bit later.
MRS . WICKHAM: Could I add one more thing that Mr . Miles just
mentioned? He did say that the house, this shows 50 feet back, the
house may in fact be a little bit further back than 50 feet. Not
that I 'd really be out of line too much with the average setback,
and certainly is not going to be any closer than Mr. McDowell ' s house.
CHAIRMAN: I think it' s 50 feet or better. The time we were
down there we kind of paced it off a little bit.
NORMAN REILLY: I think it will be closer probably to 60 ,
65 'feet, by the time we line the three houses together, so we are
moving back quite a bit. But the tree still causes a problem.
MEMBER TUTHILL: From this proposed location on here?
1MR. REILLY: Yes , that' s right. That shows about 50 right now.
Van Tuyl must have,
MEMBER TUTHILL: About` 50. from where?
�M,R. REILLY: The bulkhead line.
MEMBER'_TUTHILL: You're moving in back of the tree.
MR. REILLY: We 'll be moving back probably into 65 , or maybe
70 feet, to line' the two houses up, that' s what we 're asking. -
MRS . WICKHAM: The tree will be approximate-ly at the -- The
tree would . be . here, you would be moving the house back like that.
So I don't think that that ' s you know, any more nearer in the long run.
MR. REILLY: We are moving it back quite a bit, you know, to
line them up. That ' s what we are really after. We 're not sticking
out in front of them.
MRS . WICKHAM: I would hate to go through a delay because, you
know, we've been delayed with these people so long already, I think
that we could represent to you now that the house will be right about
at the tree, and as I say that ' s not really before you because you've
got--
MEMBER TUTHILL: Well, if you would--
MRS . WICKHAM: Even if you consider that a frontyard, you've
got more than 50 feet.
MR. MILES : If I may be heard on that issue, and not to interrupt
but, we would request that Mr. McDowell is quite certain that the
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setback of the adjoining .lady' s house is considbr,Ably to the rear
and that an oral representation of where this. tree is not sufficient
for the Board' to, make .their determination, that a line should be
shown upon a survey from the. two and I 'll rest my case on that.
MRS. WICKHAM:` I don't believe the location of that house_ '.
really--'
MR. MILES : It ' s not a matter of belief, it' s a matter. of-setback.
MRS. WICKHAM: No , I said I don 't believe it even applies to
this hearing, and I strongly object to having that brought in , as a
requirement. - This woman hasn't even appeared. She has never
contacted me- with any objection.
MR. MILES.: The woman has requested that we speak for her.
On motion by- Mr. Grigonis, seconded by Mr. Tuthill, it was
RE$QLVED,. that the hearing be declared closed and that DECISION
BE RESERVED in the matter of RALPH H. DICKINSON, Appeal No. 2668 .
'Vote of the-Board: Ayes: Messrs. Grigonis, Tuthill , Doyen and
Goehringer. ,absent: Messr. Douglass. '
Tnprmal dacusson. . Mr. Robert L. Boger asked the, Board
whetter the applications he recently filed in Appeal!Noi. 2682 and
Appeal No. 1 (FE) could be set up for a public hearing to be held
April 10, 1980 . The Chairman told Mr. Boger that there seemed to
be a problem in getting D.E.C. and County Health Department approvals,
and the Board was in the process of making an environmental deter-
mination, which is required under the New York State Environmental
Quality Review Act before a decision on the variance application can
be made. Mr. Boger said that he had spoken to Bob Villa of the
Health Department, and that George Fisher would confirm this, that
something would be worked out in order to obtain approval from the
County Health Department. Also, Mr. Boger had submitted a copy of
the D'.E.C. Tidal Wetlands Notification Letter Approval dated 3/18/80
indicating that no permit would be necessary on Lot 24 . Mr. Boger ' s
project is for Lot 25 , and the Secretary said the D.E.C. had,,'agreed
to correct the. letter , that it was. a typographical error. The
Board said an inspection had to be made of the property, and the
Chairman,'
__advised Mr. Boger that a Special Meeting could be held
in time to be advertised, scheduling his matters for the April 10,.
1980 meeting.
RESERVED DECISION: Appeal No. 26`68 . Application of RALPH H.
DICKINSON, for a Variance to the Zoning Ordinance, Art . III, Sec .
100-31 for permission to construct dwelling with an insufficient
frontyard setback. Location of property: Right-of-way off Great
Peconic Bay Boulevard, Laurel; bounded north by Graham and;:::Hech;
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east by Arthur; south by Great Peconic Bay; west by McDowell.
County Tax Map Item No. 1000-128-006-005.
After investigation and inspection, the Board finds that
the applicant"-is requesting permission to construct dwelling
with an._insufficient frontyard setback of 26 feet . Due to the
trapezoidal shape of the property and the location..of the access:_,
into the property, 'the frontyard area covers an unusually large
section of the lot , leavingaa very limited practical area to
build. The Board does agree with the reasoning of the applicant .
The Board finds that the circumstances present in this case
are unique, and that strict application of the ordinance would
produce practical difficulties or unnecessary hardship. The
Board believes that the granting of a variance in this case will
not change the character of the neighborhood and will observe
the spirit of the zoning ordinance .
On motion by Mr. Tuthill, seconded by Mr. Goehringer, it was
RESOLVED, that RALPH..`H. DICKINSON, be.-GRANTED a Variance to
the Zoning Ordinance, Article III, Section 100-31, in Appeal
No. 2668 for permission to construct dwelling with an insuffi-
cient frontyard setback of not less than 25 feet , SUBJECT TO
THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS:
(1) That the subject dwelling is permitted to be constructed
with up to a 25-foot frontyard setback [in order to allow another
foot for the sideyard area if applicant desires to do so] , and
(2) That the subject dwelling is permitted to be constructed
not closer than 60 feet from the nearest point of the bulkhead
from the location of the proposed dwelling.
Location of property: Right-of-way off Great Peconic Bay
Boulevard, Laurel; bounded north by Graham and Hech; east by
Arthur; south by Great Peconic Bay; west by McDowell. County
Tax Map Item No . 1000-128-006-005.
Vote of the Board: Ayes : Messrs . Grigonis , Tuthill, Doyen
and Goehringer. Absent : Messr. Douglass .
Appeal No. 2674 . Application of ROY C. SCHOENHAAR.
On motion by Mr. Tuthill, seconded by Mr. Grigonis , it was
RESOLVED, regarding the matter of Roy C. Schoenhaar, that
it be requested of the applicant to provide this Board with a
copy of the parking plan of the property of "The Coach Stoppe"
and delicatessen also owned by the applicant;'-Therein in order
to determine whether or not the property which is the subject
of this application is needed for the adjacent businesses ,
inasmuch as it appears part of the subject property is being
used for that purpose .
Southold Town Board of Appeals -35- March 20 , 1980
Vote of the Board: Ayes : Messrs . Grigonis, Tut.hill, Doyen
and Goehringer. Absent : Messr. Douglass .
RESERVED DECISION: Appeal No. 2673 . Application of
SOPHIE RAYNOR, for a Variance to the Zoning Ordinance , Art .
III, Sec . 100-31 for approval -,of insufficient area and width
of parcels to be established within a subdivision, and for
approval of access, pursuant to New York Town Law Section
280-A.
After investigation and inspection, the Board finds that
the applicant is requesting approval of insufficient area and
width of two proposed parcels , and approval of a''15-foot wide
access to the rear proposed parcel located at North Road,
Greenport . The Board finds that the -area of the property
as it exists is less than one-half acre, and to approve the
area and width of parcels to be less than one-quarter of
the present zoning ordinance requirements would be impractical
and would not be in harmony with the general purposes of the
zoning ordinance of the Town of Southold.
The- Board finds that the circumstances present in this case
are not unique, and strict application of the ordinance would
not produce practical difficulties or unnecessary hardship. The
Board believes that by the granting of the relief requested
herein the character of the neighborhood will be changed and
the spirit of the zoning ordinance would not be observed.
On motion by Mr. Grigonis , seconded by Mr. Tuthill, it was
RESOLVED, that SOPHIE RAYNOR,__in Appeal No . 2673, be DENIED
a Variance to the Zoning Ordinance, Article III, Section 100-31
and be DENIED a Variance to New York Town Law, Section 280-A for
approval of access .
Location of property: 69035 North Road, Greenport , New York;
bounded north and west by Tasker; south by North Road; east by
Straussner, Sfaelos Realty, and Brandi. County Tax Map Item
No . 1000-35-01-07 .
Vote of the Board: Ayes : Messrs. Grigonis , Tuthill, Doyen
and Goehringer. Messr. Douglass was absent .
RESERVED DECISION: Appeal No. 2656 . Application of FISHERS
ISLAND DEVELOPMENT CORP. , Fishers Island, New York by Richard F.
Lark, Esq. for a Variance to the Zoning Ordinance, Art . VII, Sec .
100-71 for approval of insufficient area, width, front and side-
yards of parcel to be established in a subdivision. Location:
Fox Lane, F.I . ; bounded north by Gada, east by Fox Lane, south
by Town of Southold, west by Long Island Sound. 1000-12-1-part of 1.
Southold Town Board of Appeals -36- March 20, 1980
After investigation and inspection, the Board finds that the
applicant is requesting approval of: (a) insufficient area,_
approximately 7800 square feet, . (b) insufficient width, 65
feet, (c) insufficient frontyard setback, 25 feet, (d) insuf-
ficient sideyard area, 32 square feet, (e) insufficient . sideyard
setbacks, 15 and 17 feet respectively. The Board has found
that petitioner is 'the owner of approximately 10 . 2 acres, out
of which he proposes to establish this undersized lot- to be
sold and used as an upholstery business .
The Board finds that the petitioner has not shown any
hardship or difficulty in complying with the requirements of the
code, dnd that there is ample property available for compliance
with the code, regardless of the topography or the use intended
by the petitioner as indicated in the subject application.
The Board finds that the circumstances present in this
case are not unique, and that strict application of the ordinance
would not produce practical difficulties or unnecessary hardship.
The Board believes that the granting of the variance in this
case would. change the character of the neighborhood and would
not observe the spirit of the zoning ordinance.
On motion by Mr. Grigonis seconded by Mr. Tuthill,
it ,was
RESOLVED, that FISHERS ISLAND DEVELOPMENT CORP. , in Appeal
No. 2656 , .be DENIED a Variance to the Zoning Ordinance, Article
VII, Section 100-71, for approval of insufficient area, width,
frontyard and sideyards as applied for herein. Location of
property: Fox Lane, Fishers Island, New York; bounded north
by Gadag east by Fox, Lane; south by Town of Southold; west by
Long Island Sound. County Tax Map Item No. 1000-012-001-
part of 001.
Vote of the Board: Ayes : Messrs. Grigonis, Tuthill and
Goehringer. Nay: -Messr . Doyen. Absent: Messr. Douglass.
RESERVED DECISION: Appeal No. 2657 . Application of
FISHERS ISLAND DEVELOPMENT CORP. , Fishers Island, New York by
Richard F. Lark, Esq. , for a Variance to the Zoning Ordinance
Article VII, Section 100-71, Article XIV, Section 100-114 for
approval of insufficient area and width of parcels to. be
established within a subdivision. Location of property :
Greenwood Road, Fishers Island, New York; bounded north by
Town of Southold; east by Congregational Christian Churches;
south by Greenwood Road; west by Barmache and Town of Southold.
County Tax Map Item No. 1000-012-001-013 .
Southold. Town Board of Appeals -37- March 20 , 1980
After investigation and inspection, the Board finds that the
applicant i.s requesting approval of the insufficient area and
width. of four proposed parcels , having a total area of approximately
41,817 square feet, in a B-1 Zone, and having three preexisting
two-family dwellings and one single-family dwelling, which origi-
nally were utilized as offiers ' quarters for the U.S . Army on
Fort H.G. Wright. The petitioner has indicated that the nonconform-
ing use of the buildings has been continuous for a period of more
than two years, and that he intends to remove the existing above
ground electric poles and install underground electricity wiring
to each of the dwellings.
The Board finds that the character of the locality would not
be altered and the property values in the area would not be decreased.
Property located immediately west of the subject area presently owned
by R. Barmache is similar to the nature of the proposed.
The Board finds that the circumstances present in this case
are unique, and that strict application of the ordinance would
produce practical difficulties or unnecessary hardship. The
Board believes that the grant of a variance in this case will
not change the character of the neighborhood and will observe
the spirit of the ordinance.
On motion by Mr. Doyen seconded by Mr. Grigonis,
was;
RESOLVED, that FISHERS ISLAND DEVELOPMENT CORP. , in Appeal
No, 2657 , be GRANTED a Variance to the Zoning Ordinance, Article
VII, Section 100-71, and Article XIV, Section 100-114 , approving
the insufficient area and width as applied for, SUBJECT TO THE
-FOLLOWING CONDITION (S) :
(.1) Subdivision approval from the Southold Town Planning
Board.
Location of property: Greenwood Road, Fishers Island, New
York; bounded north by Town of Southold, east by Congregational
Christian Churches, south by Greenwood Road, west by Barmache and
Town of Southold; County Tax Map Item No. 1000-012-001-013 .
Vote of the Board: Ayes : Messrs. Grigonis, Tuthill , Doyen
and Goehringer. Absent: Messr. Douglass .
Appeal No. 2684. Application of SAM RODLAND as agent for
NORTH FORK MOTEL, 55 Pilgram Path, Huntington, New York, for a
Variance to the Zoning Ordinance, Article VII, Section 100-70A,
for permission to change existing motel use to include use per-
mitting privately owned units or condominiums . Location of
property: North side of County Road 27 , Southold, New York;
County Tax Map Item No . 1000-135-2-23 .
On motion by Mr. Tuthill, seconded by Mr. Grigonis , it was
Southold Town Board of Appeals -38- March 20 , 1980
RESOLVED, that the applicant , NORTH FORK MOTEL, in Appeal
No. 2684, be requested to file with this Board the following:
(a) Five sets of plans showing the dimensions and floor
area of each unit proposed for condominium or privately-owned
use prepared by an architect or engineer, and
(b) Five sets of plot plans showing the parking area and
building layout on the subject premises prepared by an architect
or engineer for review and referral to appropriate agencies .
Vote of the Board: Ayes : Messrs . Grigonis , Tuthill, Doyen
and Goehringer. Absent : Messr. Douglass .
On motion by Mr. Tuthill, seconded by Mr. Grigonis , it was
RESOLVED, that the following appeals be advertised for a
public hearing to be held at the next regular meeting of this
Board, to wit , April 10, 1980 at the below specified times :
7 : 35 P.M. Appeal No . 2680 . Application of Clement W.
Booth. Location of property: North Mount
Beulah Avenue, Southold, NY.
7 : 45 P.M. Appeal No. 2678 . Application of Richmond S.
Corwin. Location of property: 500 and 540
. Maple Avenue, Southold, NY.
8 : 00 P.M. Appeal No. 2681. Application of Sidney Beebe
for Dennis R. Bannon and wife . Location of
property: Hamilton Avenue, Mary ' s Road and
County Road 27 , Mattituck, NY.
8 : 15 P.M. Appeal #2679 . Raymond and Anna Ciacia. Loca-
tion of property: Kerwin Boulevard, Greenport .
8 : 30 P.M. Appeal No. 2683 . Application of Richard and
Donnalee Relyea. Location of property: Deer
Foot Path and Fox Hollow Road, Mattituck, NY.
Vote of the Board: Ayes : Messrs . Grigonis , Tuthill, Doyen
and Goehringer. Absent : Messr. Douglass .
•' Southold Town Board of Appeals -39- March 20, 1980
On motion by Mr. Tuthill; seconded by_ Mr. Grigonis, it
was
RESOLVED, in the application of CLEMENT W. BOOTH, Appeal No.
2680, for Variances to the Zoning Ordinance, Art. III, Sec. 1.00-31
for approval of insufficient area and width of parcel to be estab-
lished in a subdivision, and approval of insufficient sideyard of
preexisting nonhabitable building, at, premises located. at 1750
Mount Beaulah' Avenue ..& Sound View Avenue, Southold,New .York, that
after review of the Environmental Assessment Short Form, which
has indicated that no significant adverse effects to the environment
were likely to occur, and review of the documents submitted therewith,
this Board has determined that this project if implemented as planned
is classified as a Type II Action, not having a significant effect
upon the environment, Section 617.13 of the New York State
Environmental Quality Review Act, Section 44-4B of the Southold
Town Code.
Vote of the .Board: Ayes: Messrs. Grigonis, Tuthill, Doyen
and Goehringer. Absent: Messr. Douglass.
On motion by Mr. Tuthill, seconded by Mr. Grigonis, it was
RESOLVED, in the application of RICHMOND S. CORWIN, Appeal
No. 2678 , for a Variance to the Zoning Ordinance, Art. III, Sec.
100-31 for approval of insufficient area and width of parcels to
be established in a subdivision at premises located. at 500 and,
540 Maple Avenue, Southold, New York, that after review of the
Environmental Assessment Short Form, which has indicated that no
significant adverse effects to the environment were likely to
occur, and review of the documents submitted therewith, this Board
has determined that this project if implemented as planned is
classified as a Type II Action, not having a significant effect
upon the environment, Section 617.13 of the New York State
Environmental Quality Review Act, Section 44-4B of the Southold
Town Code.
Vote of the Board: Ayes: Messrs. Grigonis, Tuthill, Doyen
and Goehringer. Absent: Messr. Douglass.
O S`outhold Town Board of Appeals -40- March 20, 1980
On motion by Mr. Tuthill, seconded by Mr. Grigonis, it was
RESOLVED, in the application of SIDNEY BEEBE, Appeal No.
2681, for a Variance to the Zoning Ordinance, Art. III , Sec. 100-
31 for permission to construct addition with an insufficient
frontyard setback at premises . located at the corner of Hamilton
Avenue, Mary' s Road, and County Road 27, Mattituck, New York, that
after review of the Environmental Assessment Short Form, which
has indicated that no significant adverse effects to the environment
were likely to occur, and review of the documents submitted therewith,
this Board .has determined that this project if implemented as planned
is classified as a Type II Action, not having a significant effect
upon the environment, Section 617. 13 of the New York State
Environmental Quality Review Act, Section 44-4B of the Southold
Town Code.
Vote of the Board: Ayes: Messrs. Grigonis, Tuthill, Doyen
and Goehringer. Absent: Messr. Douglass.
On motion by Mr. Tuthill, seconded by Mr. Grigonis, it was
RESOLVED, in the application of RAYMOND and ANNA CIACIA,
Appeal No. 2679, for Variances. to the Zoning Ordinance: (a)
Art. III , Sec. 100-31 and Art. VIII , Sec. 100-81, Bulk Schedule,
for permission to construct dwelling with insufficient front and
side yards, and (b) Art. VIII, Sec. 100-118 for permission to'-_.`
establish dwelling--.use in a C-Zone, (Location of property:
South side of Kerwin Boulevard, Greenport, .New York; Lots No.
159 and 160 of "Peconic Bay Estates, " Map No. 1124 ; County Tax
Map Item No. 1000-53-2-23) , that after review of the Environmental
Assessment Short Form, which has indicated that no significant
adverse effects to the environment were likely to occur, and review
of. the documents submitted therewith, this Board has determined
that this project if implemented as planned is classified as a
Type II Action, not having a significant effect upon the environment,
Section 617.13 of the New York State Environmental Quality Review
Act, Section 44-4B of the Southold Town Code.
Vote of the Board: Ayes: Messrs. Grigonis, .Tuthill, Doyen
and Goehringer. Absent: Messr. Douglass.
On motion by Mr. Tuthill, seconded by Mr. Grigonis, it was
RESOLVED, in the application of RICHARD and DONNALEE RELYEA,
Appeal No. 2683 , for a Variance to the Zoning Ordinance, Art. III ,
Sec. 100-31 for approval of insufficient area and width of parcel
to be established in a subdivision at premises located at the east
side of Deer Foot Path, Mattituck, New York, that after review
of the Environmental Assessment Short Form, which has indicated
that no significant adverse effects to the environment were likely
to occur, and review of the documents submitted therewith, this
Board has determined that this project if implemented as planned
o' Southold Town Board of Appeals -41- March 20, 1980
is classified as a Type II Action, not having a significant effect
upon the environment,' Section 617.13 of the New York State
Environmental Quality Review Act, Section 44-4B of the Southold
Town Code.
Vote of the Board: Ayes: Messrs. Grigonis, Tuthill, Doyen
and Goehringer. Absent: Messr. Douglass.
On motion by Mr. Tuthill, seconded by Mr. Grigonis , it was
RESOLVED, that the next regular meeting of this Board be
scheduled at 7:30 o 'clock P.M. on April 10, 1980.
Vote of the Board: Ayes: Messrs. Grigonis, Tuthill, Doyen
and Goehringer. Absent: Messr. Douglass.
On motion by Mr. Doyen, seconded by Mr. Grigonis, it was
RESOLVED, that the meeting be declared closed at 12 :00 mid-
night.
Vote of the Board: Ayes: Messrs. Grigonis, Tuthill, Doyen
and Goehringer. Absent: Messr. Douglass.
Respectfully submitted,
Linda F. Kowalski, Secretary
Southold Town Board of Appeals
APPROVED
D
Chairman Board Appeal
REuEIVED AND FILET? BY
TIE SOUTMOLD TOWN CLERK
DATE DOUR
"oLerk, Town of Southold