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SOUTHOLD TOWN BOARD
JANUARY 8, .1985'
WORK SESSION
Present: Supervisor Francis 'J. Murphy, Councilman Joseph L. Townsend, Jr.,
Justice Raymond W. Edwards .(9; 30 A'.M.), Councilman Paul Stoutenburgh,
Councilman James A. Schondebare :(9:45 A.M.), Town Clerk Judith T. Terry,
Town Attorney Robert W.. Tasker (10: 10 A.M.) .
- 9:00 A.M. - The Board began the audit 'of outstanding vouchers.
9:30 A.M. -. The Board met with Board of Appeals Chairman Gerard P. Goehringer
to review his .1984 Annual Report: Mr. Goehringer advised the Board that the
Board of Appeals held 121 public hearings during .1984' and 116 new applications
were filed. He:specifically discussed. variances for division of parcels and use
variances, and urged the Board to continue the employment of Linda.Taplin as
a part-time Clerk Typist and Barbara Strang as a part-time Stenographer for.
the Board's 'public hearings (see resolutions 10 .E '11) .
.10:.00. A.M. - Planning Board Chairman Bennett Orlowski, 'Jr. met with the Board
to review his ':1984' Annual Report. Mr. Orlowski said, the Planning Board is caught
on their ;pending workload as of December 31st. He said'they handled 150 new
applications in'.1984", for .a total of approximately 15 new submissions per month -
34'.mindr subdivisions,. 6 major subdivisions_, and 15 site plans. He advised the
Board that the updated Master Plan should be before the Planning Board for. review
wi.thin..the next. two weeks: Mr. Orlowski stated,that the Planning Board is 'reaching
the conclusion of the preparation of a procedure book which will provide a step by
step procedure for new applicants. He emphasized the value of computerization for
the Planning Board, stating many of theirrecords are in' the storage room and must
be referred to constantly. Mr. Orlowski said that one of the recommendations they
would have for the Town Board would be the creation- of an Architectural ;Review
Board.
.10:30 A.M. - Executive Administrator Victor Lessard met with the Board to discuss
the Building Department's •1984 Annual Report. Mr. Lessard stated .that in .1984
that office issued: 912 building permits and. 943 certificate's of occupancy. He
emphasized the need for amendments to the Zoning Code, particularly the establish-
ment of a specific- 'fine for building without a permit. He further urged the Board
to consider the Building Department's .need for an additional telephone.
11:05 A.M. - Account Clerk Joan Richter met. with the Board to review the
responsibilities of the Accounting Department during .1984. Mrs. Richter outlined
the various duties of each of the three .Account Clerks, the need for an additional
telephone in that department, .general long term debt, the need for more frequent
billings by special' attorneys,- computerization and a request for higher wages.
11:30 A.M. - Board of Assessors Chairman Charles C. Watts reviewed his :1984
Annual Report with the Town Board. Mr. Watts advised that there were 13,400
individual changes to the Assessment Roll during .1984, they have received 175
new building permits from the Building Department since June, need for a larger
vehicle, and another. full time Clerk in light of the impending retirement of Mrs.
King. Mr. Watts reviewed farmland exemptions and increasing land values with
the Board. He stressed the fact that the Assessors are required to meet certain'
educational requirements on an ongoing basis to be certified to hold their position.
Failure to do so would mean removal from office, which has happened throughout
the State.
12 Noon - Town Clerk Judith T. Terry reviewed her_ .1984: Annual Report with the
Town Board. Mrs. Terry pointed .out the increase in revenues over the past ten
years from $48,800.00 in�:1975 to $4077,900.'00 in .:1984, due specifically to the increase
ins licenses and permits issued by the Town Clerk's Office. Mrs. Terry urged the
Board to consider computerization of her office, the need for microfilming the birth
and death original records dating back to 1881, and the urgency of remodeling the
vault to create safer storage conditions.
12:20 AP.M. - Recess for lunch.
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2:00 P.M. - Work Session reconvened and the Board reviewed off agenda and
agenda items: presentation of the PRC Speas Airport Site Selection Report to
be given by David'Spohn--set January 22nd--time to. be determined at a later
date; expired Junk Yard permits of Robert Douglass and Harold Walters; use
of the Recreation Center--The Board reaffirmed their policy'to permit only not-
for-profit 'groups to use the Recreation Center.--The dental contract for.elected
and appointed official's was discussed and the Board agreed to its effective date
of September 1, :1984; set January,-22nd for decision on the Brewer. Yacht Yard
Soil Removal Application'? briefly. reviewed the proposed Scavenger Waste Ordinance;
discussed the pending decision on the environmental assessment for the East End
Associates Annexation Petition. (see resolution no. 5)
4:00 P.M. - Concluded audit of outstanding. vouchers.
4:.20 P.M. - Work. Session adjourned.
REGULAR MEETING
h4, Regular Meeting of the Southold Town Board was held on Tuesday, January
8, 198't' at the Southold Town Hall, Main Road, Southold, New York. Supervisor.
Murphy opened the meeting at 7:30 P.M. with the Pledge of Allegiance to the Flag.
Present: Supervisor Francis 'J. Murphy
Councilman Joseph L. Townsend, Jr.
Justice Raymond W. Edwards
Councilman Paul Stoutenburgh
Councilman James A. Schondebare
Councilwoman Jean W. Cochran
Town Clerk Judith T.. Terry
Town Attorney Robert W. Tasker
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: I'd .like to welcome you all here and our first.order of
business I'd like a motion to .approve the January 8th, :1985 audit of bills.
Moved by Councilman Stoutenburgh, seconded by Councilwoman Cochran, it 'was
RESOLVED that the following audited bills be and hereby are approved for
payment: General Fund Whole Town bills :1984' Accounts Payable in`the amount
of $4,532.85; General Fund Whole Town 4984: bills in' the amount of '$3,956.24,
General Fund Whole Town :1985: bills in the amount of $5,:198.44; General Fund
PartTown bills 184' Accounts Payable in the amount of '$3,973.75;' General Fund
Part'Town 1984: bills in' the amount of '$3,:699. 57; General Fund Part Town :1985
bills `in the amount of '$30..31; Fishers Island Ferry District -1985; bills in' the
amount of $8-,,537.57; Highway Department :1984 bills in 1 the amount of $5,471.30;
Southold Wastewater Treatment Plant bills in' the amount of $95',.'9:09. 15; Adult
Day Care -1984 bills in' the amount of $4,302.88'.
Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilwoman Cochran, Councilman Schondebare,
Councilman Stoutenburgh, Justice Edwards, Councilman Townsend, Supervisor Murphy.
This �resolution was declared duly ADOPTED.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Next resolution I'd like is 'one to approve the minutes of
the December 28th, :1984: Regular. Meeting.
Moved by Councilwoman Cochran, seconded by Councilman Stoutenburgh, it 'was
RESOLVED that the minutes of the December 28, :1984: Regular Southold Town
Board meeting be and hereby are approved.
Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilwoman Cochran, Councilman Schondebare,
Councilman Stoutenburgh, Justice Edwards, Councilman Townsend, 'Supervisor Murp,
This 'resolution was declared duly ADOPTED.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: And one to set the next meeting date, January 22nd, :1985',
3:00.•P.M. , Southold Town Hall.
Moved by Justice Edwards, seconded by Councilwoman Cochran, it 'was
RESOLVED that the next Regular Meeting of the Southold Town .Board will ' be
held at 3:00 'P.M. , Tuesday, January 22, 1985 at the Southold Town Hall, Main'
Road, Southold, New York.
Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilwoman Cochran, Councilman Schondebare,
Councilman Stoutenburgh, Justice Edwards, Councilman Townsend, Supervisor Murphy.
This resolution was declared duly ADOPTED.
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1 . REPORTS.
.SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Moving on to the first item on the agenda, Reports. I'd
like to state that all these reports are on file in' the Town Clerk's Office for any-
one who would like to look at them further.
1. Szepatowski Associates Inc., aid'to the Planning Department, monthly
progress report for December 1984.,
2. (a)'. Building Department',s .monthly. report for December 1984.
2. (b) Building Department's 1984.' Annual report.
3. New- York State Bureau of Dog Identification- and Control Compliance Report.
4. (a) Town Clerk's. monthly report for December 1984'.
4. (b) .Town Clerk's. 1984 Annual report. and that is 'one you really want to look
at if you have any questions of doubt about is Southold Town growing. In the last
ten years the growth has been fantastic: You .wouldn't .believe the volume that has
built up in'the Town Clerk's Office and this 'gives you a general indication of the
pulse of the community, the activity going on around. It really is 'fantastic:
S.' Town Justice monthly report -.Justice Edwards - December -1984.
6. Councilmen's reports. I'll start on my right with Jay Schondebare.
COUNCILMAN SCHONDEBARE: The Police Committee had a meeting yesterday with
the Chief of Police. I'll .let Councilman Townsend discuss some of the aspects of
it; but we .did• cover the rules and regulations pertaining to the Police Department.
Believe it or not we don't have rules, and regulations pertaining to the Police Depart-
ment. We will 'now have such rules and regulations. Thank you.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Joe?
COUNCILMAN. TOWNSEND: Frank, I'll elaborate on the rules and regulations a
bit more. Basically it's a code of conduct for police officers, detectives, sergeants,
lieutenant and chief, and while there are certain--under civil service and PBA
contracts there are procedures set out, we feel it's time that we had some rules
and regs and we spent a. couple hours refining these and now it's in'the hands
of the attorney and hopefully by the -next meeting we'll have something back. We
also discussed the issue that has gotten a. lot of attention, that being hiring another
Bay Constable. It's my feeling that the police in' their 'regular tour of duty can
enforce some of the laws, the shellfish laws, and perhaps even the wetlands law.
Chief Winters feels that we do need another Bay Constable. I knew he would feel
that way because he was the one that mentioned it 'first. He' feels that the man
we have is 'a very., good man and that we're going to lose him' if 'we do not hire
him: While I concur that he's a very good man, I still'disagree. I still feel that
we can enforce the shellfish laws and the wetlands law through the use of the
police department I would hope, even if 'l:m unsuccessful in'forestalling the hiring
of another Bay Constable that the police could enforce the shellfish and wetlands
laws. Certainly I see the police at the mouths of creeks and bays as much as I've
seen, the Bay Constable and the fact that we do have very good response time and
the fact that we've got a pretty good rate of solving crimes indicates to me that
the department is not being stretched to its limits as far as their duties are concerned.
At any rate that's where that .issue lies. It hasn't been too long since the last Town
Board meeting, January 3rd and before that December 28th and so there hasn't been
too much going on other than that. I guess that's all 1 have to report, Frank.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Thank you, Joe. Paull
COUNCILMAN STOUTENBURGH:. Yes, two things. One is a flyer that came from
the Cooperative Extension in Riverhead.,! .this is on Griffing Avenue. They're going
to have a Marine Resource Management and Protection Seminar and this 'is 'going to
be open to all elected officials, appointed officials and anyone else who would be
interested. I might just read what they have: a review of basic'information
about various marine environments, beaches, dunes, bluffs, barrier islands,
tidal wetlands and bays; to discuss the use of marine environment and the impacts
of such uses, and to identify the agencies and programs involved with coastal
resource. managment and protection. The agenda will include a comprehensive
slide program about Long Island's .marine resource, plus the use and problems
and open discussion among participants with a panel of marine resource experts.
So if 'anyone is 'interested, this 'is going to be on January 28th, 1:30 to 10:00
O'clock in the evening at the Suffolk Cooperative Extension building at 246
Griffing Avenue. I surely hope people would take advantage of this. It gives
you a good opportunity to get involved and know a little bit 'more about our marine
resources. The other thing I would like to bring to your attention is that in' the
future we are' going to run here in' the Town of Southold a program, a one day
program, where the community is going to be asked to bring any pesticides or
any toxic material they might have .in their garage, attic or cellar. As you well
know, these are things that we've bought, and 1 say we, because I've done it
myself, and in'my garage is 'a can of old DDT or something of this sort and what
do you do with these things? And the State is 'trying to promote a program. called
STOP, Stop Throwing Out Pollutants. . The Town of Islip' is 'getting involved in
this program this spring. We hope to do it 'towards the end of the summer right
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here in Southol. It will ` be a day in which everyone will• be notified by the paper
and the media and you will ' be able-. to bring these pesticides to this 'center, they
will be disposed of in'a: very highly technical way, in' the sense that they won't
be exposed and get into the wrong landfills. The way it's been, if 'you didn't
know what to do with it,' you threw it 'in'your garbage, it 'went to our landfill,
it then percolated down into our groundwater and this is 'what we have problems
with our drinking water--one of the problems. So we think this will 'go a long
ways in`clearing up our own backyard, meaning our garages, our cellars and
what have.you, with these type of pollutants. You'll hear more about it. Keep
your ears open for the concept STOP and it's going to be a big' program right
here in your own Town. . Thank you, Frank.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: . Thank you, Paul. A very important program too. Jean .
COUNCILWOMAN COCHRAN: Yes, I'd like to report that the Town Board CSEA
Negotiating Committee has received from the Town Unit CSEA proposals to the
'1985 Contract and a salary proposal, including a grade and step plan. Also a
Board Recreation Committee is scheduled for Monday, January 14th at 8: 30 A.M.
A Water Advisory meeting is scheduled for Monday, January 14th at 7:30 P.M.
An Organizational Meeting is '•scheduled for the Housing Advisory Committee on
Thursday, January 31st at 7: 30 P.M. And 1 believe tomorrow, Jay, we have a
Commerce and Industry meeting at 7:30. You'll be hearing more about this 'in'
the future.'
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Thank you, Jean. Ray?
JUSTICE EDWARDS: Just some of you people might have read the article in the
Traveler-Watchman about the--what we call the metal dump on Fishers Island.
Supervisor .Murphy and some others flew over there on a complaint, which was
completely valid'. The metal dump has gotten out of hand. It's being taken
care of and I will keep the Town Board informed as to further developments
as to what's going on over there. Possibly have some pictures for the end
of the month. Also, the new ferry boat is under construction down in Panama
City, .Florida and they're looking for a late spring delivery on our new 160 foot
boat, which will' basically be a carrier for the contractors, for charters and so
forth and backup for the other ferry. Thank you, Frank.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY : . Thank you, Ray. 1 would just like to make a few
comments. This is the start of my second year in office as your Supervisor and
think the first year was: very productive. I'd like to thank the Town Board for
the cooperation. I think we've .had a good relationship. We've had fights, naturally,
and disagreements, but I think the Town is a lot better off. I think we're heading
in the right direction. In particular in' several areas, the planning. I think we've
made, tremendous progress in the Planning Board with the hiring of the consultant
to help advise, help get rid'of the backlog in� the office. Today we had meetings
with the heads of the various departments in the Town Hall here and I think it
was every enlightening and I'm -very pleased with the progress we're making. We
have more to go. We have a meeting set up on Friday for these same department
heads to come and speak to a• consultant on computers.. It's long overdue. We
have to have them. We're losing a lot of information and just the record keeping
is fantastic: To give you an idea, 1 mentioned Judy Terry's,. the Town Clerk's
report, ten years ago she had receipts of.$.48,000,' this .year her total receipts
and disbursements was $407,000.. . That gives you a little idea of the volume and
the growth. . This 'is receipts from the Planning Board, Building Department,
sale of sand, many, many things, dog licenses and all, but it 'shows how the
Town is growing. I'd like to make a couple comments. One is that I am refusing_
my raise that was granted to me this 'year. I'm not taking it. I've instructed the .
Bookkeeping Department to .keep my .salary at the same and also that I'm looking
forward to the next year. l think we have many things to do and I'm looking
forward to the cooperation of the various groups that advise and work with the
Town, particularly some of the newer• committees that we're just starting, Jean
and Joe Townsend on the Housing we're starting. This is 'a big'challenge. From
our meetings today, this isprobably our biggest need in .the Town is`.affordable
housing for young, middle class and old. I'm. looking forward to the challenge
of next year--of .this year and I think we could do: very well. We're going in
the right direction and I'm., very pleased.
II. PUBLIC NOTICES.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: We'll move move on to the second item on our agenda which• is
Public Notices.
1. New York State Department of Environmental Conservation public'hearing on
the application of Tosca Holding and Realty Corp. to construction a timber jetty at
Orient Harbor. Hearing to be held February 20th, at 10:00 A.M. at the Southold
Town Hall, Main Road, Southold.
2. United States Army Corps of Engineers-notice of an application of Wilhelm
Franken, Donald Bayles, Michael Levinson to maintenance dredge at Tarpon Drive,
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3. Army Corps of Enginers" notice csf an`application by Suffolk County Depart-
ment of Public Works to maintenance dredge at Mill'Creek, Southold. Written comments
by January 26th. This 'is 'an extension of an existing permit that they have, where
the Trustees and our Dredging Committee recommended that the County expand their
permit 'and this is what this 1s about, their `maintenance permit.'
4. New York State Public Service Commission public hearing on New York
Telephone Company rate proposals.-scheduled on Thursday, January 24th, .1985,
1 :00 P.M. and 6:45 P.M. at Mahoney State Office Building, Hearing Room 1, 65
Court Street in' Buffalo. It seems silly to announce this. This is.'very important
and I don't really know exactly what input we would have but I think if some
people are concerned about the tremendous increase in'our electric 'and our telephone
rates that maybe you should take an interest in this 'and at least write to the Public
Service Commission your feelings. The same hearing will ' also be held on Thursday,
March. 28, 1985:, 1:00 P.M. and 6: 45 P.M., Nassau County Executive Building, County
Supervisors' Meeting Room, One West Street, Mineola, New York.
5. New York State Department of Environmental Conservation Notice of a Complete
Application of Ted Dowd to construct a single family dwelling, Rabbit Lane, East
Marion. Written comments to the DEC by January 18th.
6. Notice of Dimension Cable Services, Long Island Cablevision. They are going
to be rebuilding and there will 'be some. short time outages in the Orient Point area.
III.' COMMUNICATIONS.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY : Moving onto Communications and the only one we have
on is a letter from the Long Island Rail Road that they would like to meet with
myself and the Supervisor of the Town of Riverhead concerning some changes in
where the train' stops. We've .notified various organizations of this meeting, anyone
is welcome to attend, to give your input to the Long Island Rail Road concerning
their 'schedules. It will ` be held at the Southold Town Hall 2:30 P.M. tomorrow and
anyone who would like to attend and make any comments to the Rail Road about their
service, the frequency of trains, the cleanliness, whatever you would like, this
would .be a good time to do it. We are really not, I don't think, receiving the best ,
of service out here.
.IV. PUBLIC HEARINGS.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: There is a public hearing -scheduled at 8:00 o'clock (proposed
Local Law relative to Zoning Code fees), so we'll move on to number. V, Resolutions.
V. RESOLUTIONS.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: The first resolution, Number 1, we had a request to hold
(decision on the petition of Reynold Blum for a change of zone) . The man is looking
further and asked us not to make a decision so we'll honor his requested. Number
2 is 'the appointment of a Bay Constable. Would someone like to make that?
2.. Moved by Councilwoman Cochran, seconded by Councilman Stoutenburgh, it 'was
RESOLVED that the Town Board of .the Town of.Southold hereby appoints Michael
Fingerle, provisionally pending a civil .'service list certification, to the position of
Bay Constable .for the Town of Southold, effective January 15, ;1985,' at an annual
salary of $13,000.:00.*.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Any questions on it? Any. comments? (No response.)
think we've had enought. comments on this.'
2.:-Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilwoman Cochran, Councilman Schondebare,
Councilman Stoutenburgh, Justice Edwards, Supervisor Murphy. No: Councilman
Townsend.
This 'resolution was declared duly ADOPTED.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: . To advance funds to, various agencies in' the Town.
3. Moved by Councilman Townsend, seconded by Councilman Schondebare, it 'was
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby authorizes the
advance of�funds, in'an amount not to exceed .$5,000.00,' from General Fund
Whole Town Account to the Nutrition Program, Home Aide Program, Community
Development Program, and Youth Services, when in need for payroll purposes.
Said advance to be repaid to the General Fund Whole Town Account, within sixty
(60) days.
COUNCILMAN TOWNSEND : I'd like to point out that this `is 'not--all we lose on
this is the interest for that period of time and these programs, which from time
to time run into problems in' the expenses and the time they're reimbursed by
their parent entities, like the County or the State, needs Southold Town to help
them out with their cash flow problems. This is the second or third year we've
done this.
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SUPERVISOR MURPHY: This is exactly what it is.' It's an advance, it's a wash-
out program. The Town does receive the money back, but we have to, as in
many programs, put the up-front money. Any other questions? (No response.)
3.-Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilwoman Cochran, Councilman, Schondebare,
Councilman Stoutenburgh, Justice Edwards, Councilman. Townsend, Supervisor Murphy.
This 'resolution was declared duly ADOPTED.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Number 4 is 'a transfer of funds for the Fishers Island
Ferry District.
4. Moved by Justice Edwards, seconded by Councilwoman Cochran, it was
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby authorizes the ;
following transfer within the Fishers Island Ferry District :1984 Budget:
From: Commissioner Fees $250.00
Into: Mail $250.06
JUSTICE EDWARDS: To give a little explanation on-.that. We have a Commissioner
who is 'an attorney and he makes probably one out of every two or three meetings,
inasmuch as he lives off the Island. and the mail. 'contract is $250.00 'a month for
the person that hauls the mail 'from the ferry boat to the post office, so there was
money left over in' the Commissioner's Fees and not enough in' the Mail, so that's
why the transfers. Thank you, Frank.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Any questions? (No response.)
4.-Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilwoman Cochran, Councilman Schondebare,
Councilman Stoutenburgh, Justice Edwards, Councilman Townsend, Supervisor Murphy.
This 'resolution was declared duly ADOPTED.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY : Number. '5 is an environmental assessment on the petition
for annexation by East End Associates.
5.' Moved by Councilman' Schondebare, seconded by Supervisor Murphy,
WHEREAS, East End Associates has heretofore applied to the Southold Town Board,
pursuant to Chapter 44 of the Code of the Town of Southold, for the annexation of
approximately 48.7 acres of land in' the unincorporated portion of the Town of
Southold into the Incorporated Village of Greenport, said property being located
at the corner formed by the intersection of the southerly side of North Road
(C.R. 48)', and the easterly side of Moores Lane, Greenport,
NOW, THEREFORE, IT IS RESOLVED AS FOLLOWS:
1. That pursuant to the provisions of Article 8 of the Environmental Conserva-
tiori Law;. Part. 617 of Title 6 of the New York .State Codes, Rules and Regulations,
and Chapter 44 of the Southold Town Code, the Southold Town Board, as lead
agency, does hereby determine that the action proposed is a Type I action and
is likely to have a significant effect on the environment.
'2. That the Town `Clerk shall file' and circulate such determination as
required by the aforementioned law, rules and. code.
3'. That the Town Clerk immediately notify the applicant, East End Associates,
of this 'determination, and further -request said'applicant to prepare a draft environ-
mental impact statement, all in accordance with said law, rules and code.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Any questions on this? (No response.)
5.-Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilwoman Cochran, Councilman Schondebare,
Councilman,Stoutenburgh, Justice Edwards, Councilman Townsend; Supervisor Murphy.
This resolution was declared duly ADOPTED.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Number. 6 is 'to accept a bid' for some dolphin work at the
Cross Sound Ferry Terminal in Orient.
6. Moved by Councilman Stoutenburgh, seconded by Supervisor Murphy, it 'was
RESOLVED that the Town Board of .the Town of Southold hereby accepts the bid
of George W. Rogers Construction Corporation, in' the amount of $287,420.00 for
Contract 1984-1, Dolphin Improvements, Cross Sound Ferry Services, Inc., Orient,
New York, as approved by the New York State Department of Transportation, and
be it-further
RESOLVED that Supervisor Francis 'J. Murphy be and he hereby isauthorized and
directed to execute a contract with George W. Rogers Construction Corporation for
the aofrementioned project.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: This is part of the New York State Bond Program that was
passed last year. The Cross Sound Ferry was awarded a grant of--of Southold
Town was awarded a grant of $400,000.00 for improvement of the ferry service.
These dolphins will go a long way to make a more dependable year-round service.
The first has $400,009-00 for. construction purposes. All expenses for their
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engineering and for the engineer that hires are paid' for by Cross
Sound Ferry. There is no expense' to' fhe Town; -but the grant has to be
funnelled through the Town. The complete amount--the 100 o amount of the grant
is used for, construction only, design and engineering work, is 'paid' for by the
corporation. Any other questions? (No response.)
6.-Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilwoman Cochran; Councilman Schondebare,
Councilman Stoutenburgh, Justice Edwards, Councilman Townsend, Supervisor Murphy.
This resolution was declared duly ADOPTED.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Number 7 is 'additional transfers in�the Highway Department
1 Budget for :1984.
7. Moved by Councilwoman Cochran, seconded by Justice Edwards, it was
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby authorizes the
following transfers within the Highway Department 1984 Budget:
From: DA9040.8 - Workmen's .Compensation $ 200.00
Into: DA5130. 4 - M-achinery, Contractual $ 200. 00
From: DA9040.8 = Workmen's Compensation $1,800.00
Into: DA5140.4 - Miscellaneous, Contractual $1,800.00
SUPERVISOR MURPHY : Any questions? (No response.)
7.-Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilwoman Cochran, Councilman Schondebare,
Councilman Stoutenburgh, Justice Edwards, Councilman Townsend, Supervisor Murphy.
This resolution was declared duly ADOPTED.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY : Number 8 is 'a resolution for the retirement of a man
who comes from Southold Town, who probably did more for the Probation Depart-
ment in Suffolk .County than any other person; and I'd like to ask Joe Townsend
to make the resolution.
8. Moved by Councilman Townsend, seconded by the Entire Town Board,
WHEREAS, the Town Board of the Town of Southold wishes to recognize, upon his
retirement on December 15,' •1984, Suffolk .County Director of Probation RONALD J.
EDEEN, and
WHEREAS, RONALD J. EDEEN joined the Probation Department on November 18,
•19854 and became the Director on June .20,'. :1960,' and has given generously of his '
time and talents in his faithful service to .the County of Suffolk for the past 31
years, and
WHEREAS, his record of fine service, diligence to duty and dedication to the
County of Suffolk and its people deserves the sincere gratitude of those with
whom and for whom he served, and
WHEREAS, the County of Suffolk will' be deprived of his wise counsel and judgment
as a respected official, now, therefore, be it
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby pays tribute to
RONALD J. EDEEN on the occasion of his Iretirement, for his unselfish and whole-
hearted cooperation and untiring efforts on behalf of the County of Suffolk, and
extend their best wishes for many happy and healthy years to come, and be it further
RESOLVED that a copy of this resolution be presented to MR. EDEEN and entered
in the permanent record of this Town Board meeting.
COUNCILMAN TOWNSEND: Mr. Edeen, as it says, was the head of the Probation
Department for 24. During that time the department grew, 1 think, from 40
officers and employees to over 350. He's been cited and his department has been
cited many, many times for innovative programs and has become a model for the
whole country. Anybody that knows Ron is probably surprised to hear that,
because he's such a quiet and unassuming person and he's an institution in
Southold Town. He's .got more antiques, quote, than anybody I've ever. met.
He's got barns full.'of them. He's a personal friend, so I'm pleased to be able
to offer that resolution.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: 1 think we should all second it, too.
COUNCILMAN TOWNSEND: Also, I'm. sorry, it's my fault, I think, that .he's .not
here because we decided around 4:30 when we left here that I was to give him= a
ring and I promptly forgot about it; so I hope he will excuse me.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY : It's all right, we realize you're one of the antiques.
COUNCILMAN TOWNSEND: My mind is, that's for sure.
8.-Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: 'Councilwoman Cochran, Councilman Schondebare,
Councilman Stoutenburgh, Justice Edwards, Councilman Townsend, Supervisor Murphy.
This resolution was declared duly ADOPTED.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Number. 9 is 'to appoint a part-time custodian.
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9. Moved by Justice Edwards, seconded by Councilwoman Cochran, it was
Genevieve
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby appoints
Oldakowski as a part-time Custodian, 20 hours per week, ast a salary of $5. 00 per
hour, effective January 14, .1985.
9.-Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilwoman Cochran, Councilman Schondebare,
Councilman Stoutenburgh, Justice Edwards, Councilman Townsend, Supervisor Murphy.
This resolution was declared duly ADOPTED.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Number 10 is to appoint a part-time Clerk-Typist to the
Board of Appeals.
10. Moved by Councilman Stoutenburgh, seconded by Councilman Townsend, it was
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby appoints Linda
Taplin; effective immediately, as a part-time Clerk Typist for the Board of Appeals,
at a .salary of $5.00 per hour, for a maximum of 250 hours per annum.
10.-Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilwoman Cochran, Councilman Schondebare,
Councilman Stoutenburgh, Justice Edwards, Councilman Townsend, Supervisor Murphy.
This resolution was declared duly ADOPTED.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Number 11 is to extend a contractual agreement between
the Town and Barbara Strang for her work with the Board of Appeals.
11. Moved by Councilwoman Cochran, seconded by Supervisor Murphy, it was
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby extends the
contractual agreement between the Town and Barbara Strang, effective immediately,
to perform part-time evening stenographic services for the Board of Appeals, at a
compensation of $6.50 per hour, for a maximum of $150.00 per month.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY : Any questions? (No response.)
11.-Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilwoman Cochran, Councilman Schondebare,
Councilman Stoutenburgh, Justice Edwards, Councilman Townsend, Supervisor Murphy.
This resolution was declared duly ADOPTED.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Well, we're starting the year off very well. That's .the
last of the .resolutions. ' Some weeks we've' gone up to 50 'and if 'we could keep
this 'up -it would be a lot better.- At this time I 'would like to recess for a public
hearing that's scheduled for 8:-00. o'clock concerning Zoning Fees.
Moved' by Councilman. Stoutenburgh, seconded by Councilwoman Cochran, it 'was
RESOLVED that. a.recessed be called at this time, 8:00 P.M., for the purpose .of
holding a_ public .hearing. on a proposed Local Law relative to Zoning Code fees.
Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilwoman Cochran, Councilman Schondebare,
Councilman Stoutenburgh, Justice Edwards,: Councilman Townsend, Supervisor Murphy.
This 'resolutiori was declared duly ADOPTED.
Meeting reconvened at 8:08 P.M.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: I will ask the Board if 'they would like to entertain'a
resolution to approve Local Law No. 1 for :19851
12.' Moved by Supervisor Murphy, seconded by :Justice Edwards,
WHEREAS, a proposed Local Law No. 1 - :1985' was introduced at a meeting of this
Board ehld on the 5th day of December) : 984, 'and
WHEREAS, a public hearing was held thereon by the Board on the 8th day of
January, :1985, at which time all interested persons were given an opportunity to
be heard thereon, .,now, .therefore, be it
RESOLVED that Local Law No. 1 - :1985: be enacted as follows:
LOCAL LAW NO. 1 - 1985
A Local Law in relation .to Zoning Code Fees
BE IT ENACTED by the Town Board of the Town of Southold as follows:
(additions indicated .by underline; deletions by [brackets] .)
Chapter 100 (Zoning) of the Code of the Town of Southold is hereby
amended as follows:
1. Section 1W124 thereof is amended to read as follows:
100-124_ Fees
All applications to the Board of Appeals. for any relief herein shall
be accompanied by a fee of [fifty] seventy-five dollars [($-50.) ] ($75.)
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2. Section 100-135 thereof is' amended 'to `'read` as"`follows:
100-135. Fees
All applications to the Planning Board for approval of site development
plans :shall be accompanied .by a fee of [fifty] one hundred dollars [($50.) ]
($100.) .
3. Subsection (1) of Subdivision J (Permit fees) of Section 100-141 thereof
is amended to read as follows:
J. Permit fees.
(1) The following fees shall be paid upon the filing of an application
with the Building Inspector for a building permit, which fees .
shall be paid into the general fund if the application is approved
or returned to the applicant if the application is denied:
(a) Single_family dwellings:
[1] i New dwellings and additions td existing dwellings:
[twenty-five] fifty dollars [($25.) ] ($50.) plus
[five] ten cents R$0.05) ] ($0.10) for each square
foot of floor area in excess eight hundred fifty
(850) square feet.
[2] ii Accessory buildings and additions and alterations
to.existing accessory buildings: [ten] twent -
five dollars [($10.) ] ($25.) plus [five] ten cents
TTP. 05) ] ($0. 10) for each square foot of floor
area in excess of five hundred .(500) square feet.
(b) Farm buildings and additions and alterations to existing
farm buildings: [fifteen] twenty-five dollars [($15.)] ($25.
for each building.
(c) Hotel, .motel, multiple dwellings and business, industrial
and all other buildings:
New buildings and additions and alterations to
existing buildings: [fifty] one hundred dollars
[($50.) ] ($100.) plus [five] fifteen - cents
for each square foot of floor
area in excess of one thousand (1,000) square
feet.
[2] ii Accessory buildings and additions and alterations
to existing accessory buildings: [fifteen] twenty-
five dollars [($15.)] ($25.) plus [five] ten cents
_C(�-0.05) ] ($0.10) for7aich square foot offloor
area in excess of• five hundred (500) square feet.
(d) Foundations -constructed under existing buildings: thirty
dollars ($30,) .
(e) All other structures (i.e., fences, pools, etc.) and additions
and alterations to such structures: [fifteen] twenty-five
dollars [ ($15.)] ($25.) .
(f) Signs. The fee for all signs, except signs permitted by
Section 100-30C(6) (a) , shall be twenty-five cents ($0.25) for
each square foot of sign area, with a minimum fee of, five
dollars ($5.) .
Demolition and/or removal and/or relocation of any building:
one hundred dollars 100. .
4. Section ' 100-151 thereof is amended to read as follows:
100-151. Fees
Every petition for a change or amendment to this chapter or the
Zoning Map shall be. filed with the Town Clerk and shall be accompanied
by a fee of [two] five hundred dollars [($200.)] ($500,) .
5. This Local Law shall take effect upon its filing with the secretary of
State.
9-8 JANUARY 8, 1985
12.-Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilwoman Cochran, Councilman Schondebare,
Councilman Stoutenburgh, Justice Edwards, Councilman Townsend, Supervisor Murphy.
This 'resolution was declared duly ADOPTED.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Thank you. That now is the end of our resolutions and
1 would like to ask any members of the Town Board if they would I,ike to make
any additional comments? Starting on my left with Judge Edwards. (No comments,
thank you, Frank.) Jean? (Nothing, thank you.) Paul? (Nothing.) Joe? (No.)
Jay? (No, Frank.) Okay, at this time I'd like to as anybody in the audience if
they would like to address the Town Board. Starting on the left, is there anyone
here would like to address the Town Board? Yes, sir. Please use the mike and
identify yourself.
DIANE BERGMANN : I have a copy here of'a letter I've addressed to you, Mr.
Murphy. You have not been in' receipt of it 'as it 'has only been mailed today,
but' I'd .like to read the text of it.' If you`d .like a- copy of it 'I'll give it 'to you
now.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY : Go right ahead, read it:
MRS. BERGMANN: We have formed an organization the purpose of which is 'the
Southold Taxpayers Against the Airport, evident by our name. Our goals are:
(1) Recouping any taxpayer's .money spent on any airport-or related studies, .the
elimination'of any more taxpayer's money spent on any airport, the removal of
official Town status of the Airport Technical Advisory Committee, and an immediate
statement from you, our Town Supervisor, and our Town Board, indicating the
airport is not in' the best interest of our taxpayers, and therefore a dead issue.
Upon reaching our goals, this 'organization will'dissolve itself. Sincerely yours,
Diane Bergmann.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY : . Thank you. Anyone else here on the left would like to
address the Town Board? ' Sir?
JOHN SKABRY, Peconic: I live in'Peconic and am .ashamed to say is fifteen years
voting in' the Town, this 'is 'the first time I've been to a Board meeting. I don't
think there's anybody in this 'Town that loves this Town anymore than I do.
,personally know several members of.the Town Board. .. I'm afraid' that Mr. Murphy
and I don't know one another.' I .recently attended a meeting of this newly formed
organization, the Southold Taxpayers Against the Airport and at that meeting a
letter was drafted: Dear Supervisor Murphy: Please be advised that the Southold
Taxpayers Against the Airport individually and, collectively wish to 'become intervenors
in'your Airport Site Selection. Relative to the above sites, we are initially unable
to locate in'your Comprehensive Site Selection Report, the following:' (1) A U. S.
Federal Environmental Impact Statement. (2) ' A New York STate Department of
'Conservation Impact Report. (3) A Southold Town Planning Board recommendation
list*.'and any zoning, changes. (4) A. copy of the Tow.n request to the Federal
Aviation Administration for-funds to select an airport site, with the signatures of
Town''Official's requesting same. (5) An up to date -accounting of Town expenditures
directly or indirectly relative to. a Town Airport. Please forward the above items.
Sincerely yours, and it"s .signed the ten members of the Executive Board of the
Southold Taxpayers Against the Airport. I will give you a copy of the letter,
Supervisor Murphy. Would you like to comment on any of it? For' instance I'll
take the first one is 'the U. S. Federal Environmental Impact Statement. Has one
been filed?
SUPERVISOR MURPHY; I don't think this 'is the time to comment on that, really,
on any of these questions. We're asking for. your comments to address the Town
Board. I don't think we should be into answering various aspects of it. I'll get
you an official answer to any of your questions, naturally, as soon as we can.
MR. SKABRY: Okay. Supervisor Murphy or any of the Board members, does
anyone on the Board--can anyone on the Board tell me how much the Town of
Southold has spent of taxpayers money on an airport study?
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Very little indirect costs. Very little.
MR. SKABRY: I don't know if"you. can corroborate the figures that I have from
the Federal Aviation Administration. This 'letter is •dated March the 8th of �1984
and it's' written to the Honorable William Carney in' the House of Representatives,
and that letter is written by Joseph M. Del Basso, the director of the Federal
Aviation Administration, Eastern Region. He's located at the Federal Building
at John F. Kennedy Airport. There are several paragraphs in' this letter, all
of which pertains to this Southold Town Airport Site Selection. I'm only going
to trouble this 'meeting with the parts involving the finances. A Planning Grant
was offered to the Town of Southold in late fiscal year :1983. The total project
cost was. $62,779.00.' Federal participation was 90%, the State contributed $4,709.00--
I'm sorry, the Federal. contribution .was $56, 501.00, and the Town of Southold's
share was $1,569.00.. Can anyone. corroborate that figure? Would that be correct?
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SUPERVISOR MURPHY: I: don't.think;:we;should. do it 'right this `minute.
wouldn't question you, but I think it`�should be' verified.
MR. SKABRY: Can you tell us--can you tell me, I'm sorry, as an individual, when
the hearings are going to start, when public 'input is going to be permitted in' to
this Airport Site Selection? The approach to the airport--left-hand approach to
the airport is directly over my home. A 3600 foot runway will'easily accomodate
twin-engine Beech Air `King jets, turbo-jets. The 3600. foot runway will also
accomodate Citation One and Two twin=engine jet aircraft. Ransom Airlines
presently operates in New England as a• commercial' 'carrier with 50 passenger
four-engine turbo-jets, land in less than 3300 foot. Our airport is 'calling for
3600 foot. Can anyone on the Town Board or the Supervisor tell me when the
hearings are going to take. place, when we can talk to the Town Board about
this 'airport.
SUPERVISOR' MURPHY: I think it's .a little premature because the Town Board
still has not received the report of the Airport Site Selection Committee and we
plan to receive that and we have it '-scheduled for two weeks from today at. 9: 30
in the morning. . Then from there then the Town proceeds.
MR. SKABRY: The Site Selection Report is 'in'the. public library. 1 went down
and that's .where 1 got these figures from. And the Town Board hasn't received
it 'yet?
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: We have not received the presentation. We are going to
have the presentation made by the committee at: 9: 30 two weeks from today.
COUNCILMAN SCHONDEBARE: We all have the report. We all got a copy of it:
It has not formally been presented .to us by the group. They haven't even been
before us.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: We had a letter from Mr. Puckli, ''which I believe I gave
Your wife today, and requesting the Town Board to act upon this 'and to start to
make a decision. We decided that we would have the committee come before the
Town Board two weeks from today at: 9:30 to give their 'report that was presented
to the Airport Site Selection Committee and we will' receive--officially receive this '
input from this committee at that time. From there then the Town Board,proceeds
and you. could go in many directions.
MR. SKABRY: Can anyone on the can you, Supervisor Murphy, explain to me
why, after these sites were taken off of the Master Plan--I'm talking about the
Southold Town Master Plan.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: I'm sorry, I'd like to differ with you. These were never
on Southold Town's Master Plan.
MR. SKABRY: Can 1 present a copy of the Master Plan Map, the original' one?
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: The map does not mean anything. It was conceptual, it
is not a map--we have not received from the master planner his 'officiall map yet.
This was a concept.
MR. SKABRY: I'm not good on technicalities. I attended three of the hamlet
meetings and at all of those meetings there. was direct opposition to many things
on the Master Plan maps..: The majority, in' my judgment, was people getting up
and talking about the airport, that they.didn't want an airport, and then the
map was changed. . The Planning Board no longer included in their Master Plan
for the Town, any locations for that airport.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY; As I said; it 'was an early concept in the development of
the plan. I. could assure you that the map that is 'going to be given to the Town
Board by the master planner will ' not include an airport. I don't see how we can
make it any. clearer to you.
MR. SKABRY: Okay, if 'it's not going to include an airport--to me -it just seems
like an end run around the Planning Board. In .other words, what do we have
a Planning Board for? . The thing that's going to affect me the most in' this 'Town
is 'going to be twin-engine Beechcraft airplanes flying over my house at 600 'foot.
There are two families that live directly on the runway. I can't understand how--
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: I don't believe a site has been chosen yet by the Town.
and I don't believe the Town has made a decision yet. I think you're very premature.
MR. SKABRY: And I think that, Supervisor, with all due respect, and the Town
Board is-'very unfair'in'allowing a condition like this that by their silence they are - ,
guilty of exacerbating a situation that was. created by one or two people in'this
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Town, not elected by the constituants. . By our silence alone you have exacerbated
people into positions where they, cannot sell their 'homes. I don't intend to stand
up and represent them. I am not one of those people. They will come and talk to
you, sir: The Southold Town Taxpayers Against the Airport will be heard at every
Town meeting, every place in the Town that we can see you and talk to you we will
explain the position of the people that live in Peconic, in Cutchogue, Mattituck,
Orient and Laurel that are. concerned about this airport and what it will do to our
environment. Thank you very much.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Thank you.
MARGARET SKABRY: Good evening. I spent a good part of the day here because
one minute it was going to be on the agenda, the next minute it 'wasn't going to be,
yes it was, no itwasn't; maybe it will be. And I saw my friend here with his little
tape recorder was here all day, so I didn't move. I stayed here all day long to see
who he has lunch with, who does what. Okay? Very interesting. Opened my eyes
a lot. Now, Mr. Murphy, I want to know how• come we can't comment on it now,
because this isn't the time, but at the December 4th meeting, Mr. Edwards, who is '
a member of our Board had no difficulty in' saying, ."The only comment I would like
to make is, I read through the--uh--uh--had a chance to read partially through the
Airport Study volume that was given to us and I really agree with a lot of the
proposals they have in there and I. certainly hope the Town of Southold and the
people of the Town will look favorably upon an airport. Thank you." I want to
know how come he could say it 'and maybe prejudice the Board when it's not before
the Board and we've got to sit _here and keep our mouths shut until Mr. Spohn gets
up, because he's the committee, Mr. Spohn, another pilot and one environmentalist,
a.guy from the FAA, where they can't get rid of the money they have left over at
the end of the year so they'll dump it 'into a study. There's not one non-flying
person that's going to be near any of the airports we've had to see in' Newsday,
Suffolk Times, Watchman-Traveler. Not one of us is on that Board to make sure
you keep it clean. We're going to have to go by their 'facts and a presentation
will' now be made by Mr. Spohn, because now the Board is a little bit leery of
spending more of our Town's money to pay the consultant extra money to come
and present it to us, so we're going to have to once again' listen to Mr. Spohn,
see his slide projections of heh, Bergmann's farm isn't too bad, you know, if 'it's
in the way we'll angle it-500 .feet. We can stick it '500 feet to the west of their
house and they've got no problems. . They're going to tell us it's going to be a
grass strip, right. Main' Road used to be a grass strip or something, cow path.
Look at it now. . This 'airport's not going to stay a grass strip, this airport's not
going to get started, because this Board has some straight answers to give and
some head scratching to do about how you allowed it to get to this point. Now,
we've "got some lawyers on the panel. We're not lawyers, we're only citiiens, but
we are not about to sit here and take this abuse any more, with these underhanded
tactics that are being used by our Board and its -committees, whether it'.s just to
shut up the guys from Orient or what. . We're not going to sit here and be aggravated.
We're not going to have real estate people come down our roads and look at the homes
and say, "Well, last month it would have been different, before Newsday-came out."
And this 'has happened. We're not going to put up with it, because if we have to,
we will take this 'Town Board to task and you're going to be really sorry. If the
people are angry enough I don't care who, comes up for election, 1 don't. care if 'it
was 'Mr. Pell that signed that study, and none of you was in. You. are all going
to have to pay for his 'errors unless you.act in'our behalf now. I've written you
letters., I've asked for an answer. Mr. Edwards was very careful to speak to me
twice today and mention he had gotten it 'and he could appreciate my position. . As
a Fishers' Island resident I doubt that. I really doubt that. Each and every one
of you got a letter and I wasn't jokin"*. I want a straight answer once and for
all from my Board. If Mr. Edwards can sit there and say things that might
prejudice you, why can't you just go all ahead and be honest? Are you for it '
or are you against it once and for all? Would you like to ask this 'time if 'I want
an answer, Mr. Murphy? Because .this.'time' I. can tell you, yes, it's yes or no.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: What do you want me to say?
MRS. SKABRY: Are you for the airport or are you against it?
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: I'd like to see the study.
MRS. SKABRY: You've seen it.'
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: I'd like to hear the presentation, and I told you this '
morning---,
MRS. SKABRY: That 1 shouldn't have to stay for the meeting, because it wasn't
going to be brought up. Mr. Spohn is still here so I stayed here.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY : Would you like to have me speak? I told you exactly
what Southold Town Board was going to do and that's exactly what Southold Town
Board did. Thank you.
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MRS. SKABRY: You told 'me,with''pro6mpfing`by Mr. Schondebare, what would have
-to be done. First, Mr. Spohn would have to give the presentation, right? And
then if 'the Board decided, yes, to go ahead with it; then if it decided to go ahead,
then informational hearings would be held and then public 'discussion. That's what
you told me with some prompting from Mr. Schondebare because you---
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: I didn't tell you that at all.
MRS. SKABRY: That was done at this afternoon's session. That was discussed.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: I said- I didn't tell you that. Thank you.
MRS. SKABRY: You told me this morning that I didn't really have to stay because
it 'wouldn't be discussed. It would be brought up in'a daytime morning meeting,
when everybody's at work again, right? The presentation will be made. That's
pretty neat. Why isn't it done at night? It's not because you. can't see the runway
sites at night. It's going to be on a screen. Why can't it 'be at night.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Because I scheduled it two weeks from today.
MRS. SKABRY: 1 realize. that. . Thank you very much.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Is .there anyone else on the left would like to make a
comment? Milton?
MILTON JACKOWSKI : ' I live i.n Mattituck. Frank, I have no prejudice against
you or any of the other members because I don't know any of them other than
Frank. I just want to give you my opinion of the way I feel about the airport
and the way I perceive what has happened. As you know, Frank, I'm not in'to
public affairs. My perception is '-that the thing is 'a boondoggle that isArying to
be pushed through without the consent of the people of Southold Town. My
opinion about :the airport is that it''s not needed and that it will ' be one more step
in'the destruction of the semi-rural lifestyle that we have. I think if 'you will
look towards the west end,. look at .MacArthur Airport, look at the way that's
'built' up, with all the ancillary activities to the aircraft, the aircraft overhaul,
the. various facilites and the fact that housing moves in:to take care of the people
that want these jobs, and I know that probably the Board is interested in'develop-
ment of the Town and I, can't argue that point, because we differ there. You look
at East Hampton Airport. I flew in'to there twenty years ago and there was
nothing there, just a building and one man in it.' And now it's a large operation.
They have commuter planes. If'you put an operation like. this 'over here in'
Southold it's going to grow and grow and grow. There's going to be no.. stopping
an east and west runway that can.-condemn as many houses as they want. They
can make a 10, 000 foot runway. . They can have giant jets coming in. I'm not
terribly knowledgable about it, but I have a pretty good idea that a large
passenger jet on final approach is 'going to be- covering a pretty large area at
a relatively low altitude with quite a bit 'of noise. Also, on take off. I'm not
sure of the figures. 1 think the other members of the group had said' that there
were proposed 130,000 take offs and landings a year. I may be totally wrong on
that. But at any rate the activity is;'.certain to grow beyond the small-time operation,
and it seems to me that there should be some areas left in the United States where
we can pursue a lifestyle that we choose. If everything is going to be development,
growth, pretty soon the whole Island is 'going to be like the East End and there will
be no place for people who appreciate a more sedate lifestyle. That's all I have.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY : Thank you, Milton. Anyone else on the left would like to
address the Board? (No response.) In the center?
FRANK CARLIN: Frank,. is 'this `only on the airport or anything in'general?
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Whatever you would like, sir:
MR. CARLIN': Anything in'general?
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Anything.
MR. CARLIN: Okay, then I'll. change the pace. My name is 'Frank Carlin, Laurel.
Good evening, ladies and gentlemen of the Board. I'd like to wish you all a Happy
New Year and successful 1985.' and may you all have good health. I'd like to start
tonight in' putting this item on number one on. my priority. I didn't have, it planned
but during my dinner this woman. called me up and asked me would I help her on
the problem. Her name is 'Florence Kull. She lives on New Suffolk Avenue, just
before the bridge, and she was complaining quite a while back about lack of a
street light in that area. Well, .maybe more than a year, and this is 'what I wrote
down what she told me over the telephone tonight. Since -July there have been six
accidents in that area. One was killed. Three weeks ago a boy and a girl had an
accident on a motorcycle. . The girl was taken to the hospital. July 1984 the item
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was put in the Mattituck Watchman-Traveler, the newspaper, about getting a street
light in that area. Finally the street light was installed three weeks. ago, but it's
not lit yet. But I'll .tell you what I'm going to do. I know Mr. Kincaid very well
int he Long Island Lighting Company in Hicksville and tomorrow I'll call him and
I'll .see if T can get LILCO to put power to that light for that woman, because she
worked with me quite well on the lights in Laurel and the caution lights.
M.R.. SKABRY: . He was laid'off.
MR. CARLIN: Oh, .he was? I didn't know for sure. I'll get someone else, but I've
deft with him the time we had the lights in'Laurel. I wasn't sure if he was laid off
in' that big lay off or not. . That doesn't. matter. 1!11• call tomorrow and I'll see if •I
can get the light hooked up for that woman, because Mr. Dean told me it takes him
three or four months to get a street light hooked up so 1 don't think she should
wait 'that long in that area. And it's- just like--l'm not here to brag, but I know
a lot of people in' Hauppauge,, Bill•Armonds for signs, Artie Johnson for trees,
Schila'nte for permits. I usually can call them and they usually will 'help me if you
explain what you have and the condition and it's necessary to be done. So I will
call LI LCO tomorrow. My main' subject tonight--I don't want to keep you too long,
because I. could be here all night. Tonight is numbers. Take this chart here of
salary raises since .1979. I've wanted to sit 'down and study it. You don't need
a computer to tell you the story about it: The first thing I found out about it
was--what I liked about it was the Councilmen have all been short-changed for
about five years on raises. In •1979 to .1984 they had no raises. My God, five
years. Supervisor from :1979 .to :1984 no raises. Stayed at $30,•000. That's
unbelievable. Now I don't deprive anyone of a raise. God, you should have
raises. And being that you want to be competitive with Riverhead, that's fine,
you should be. You should be equal with Riverhead--if Riverhead's getting a
certain wage, you should get it. The problem here was you waited so long and
it's like growing a tree for years and trying to chop, it down with one swing of
the axe. You know? I would have suggested that through the years you took
yourself .your cost of living raise. $1,000 in'•79 and 80. You would have been
up to Riverhead by now, you see? You wouldn't have had this tremendous amount
of raise in 1985. I'm not depriving you of the raise to bring it 'up equal to
Riverhead, believe me. It's fair and it 'should have been done, but it 'should
have been done in• another way, a way that doesn't hurt at one. time.. I'm very
disappointed, Frank, that you're not taking your raise, because you should have
it''and I'm serious about this.' You deserve to have your raise, you're .the top
official in the Town, you have the responsibility, you're here eight hours a day,
you got .to hear a .lot of static from people and you should take your raise as
well as anyone else on the Board should take it; but if *you want to be competitive,
you've been short-changed $1,000, because you should have been brought up to
Joe's salary of $39, 100'. You got yourself $38,000 and you don't want it. So,
I'm disappointed that you're not taking it.: I feel that you should take it. All
right? Now, my most important subject here is my friend Mr. Ray Dean. . 1
specialize in'the Highway Department. This 'chart here--I showed it 'to several
people and they couldn't believe.it.' They said• it's incredible, unbelievable.
No one takes a raise--Councilmen, Supervisor in 79 to 84. Ray Dean, here we
go. 19.79 starts off with $23,200, 1980 -, ,$25,000, increase of $1,800. 1981 -
$27,000,' increase of $2,000.• :1982 - $29,250, increase of $2,250. .1983 - $32, 175,
increase of $2,925. 11984. - $37,000, an increase of $4,825. 1985 - an increase to
$38,000, an increase of $1,000, plus the $3,000 for Public •Works Commissioners
which is $43,000.'. Now that brings him' the. highest paid official in the whole
Southold Town, including more than the Supervisor. Now let's go to percentages.
From 79 to 85 you got a' .$14,.800 'raise, .with the $3,000 it goes to $17,800, a
percentage-wise of about •750. Ray Jacobs went along with him,but not quite
as bad. . Now, again; let's get back to being competitive with Riverhead. We
must be competitive, but poor Charlie Bloss, he's way out. Poor Charlie 'Bloss
is settling for $28,123.'00 and Ray Dean is '$41,000. I put this in' computers and
it 'doesn't work, it 'rejects them. 'Comes up there's. an error, man, I tried. today
for two hours, it doesn't make. sense. Can anyone here explain it? It's a fact.
You know, looking at a sheet--1 just looked at it, you know, but you sit down
and you study it, it doesn't make sense, it doesn't make sense. Okay, now lets
go to another item here, the same page. I made a statement once and I'm not g . .
going to tell you what my opinion of this `is, I'm goin to let you form your
opinion. Social Security. 1979 the Social Security was $22., 900. Mr. Ray Dean
made $23,200.• .1980 Social Security went up to $25,900, Mr. Dean went up to
$25,000 like: l said: Now, that's not including his $3,000, I'm not including
that, that's plus $3,000.' ' :1981 Social Security went to $29,700, Mr. Dean right
up there, right on it; maximum Social- Security $27, 000. 1982 Social Security
$32, 400, Ray Dean' $29,250,' plus the $3,000.' 1983 $35,000, Social Security
went to $700, Ray Dean went to $35,000--oh, wait 'a minute, he's off $175, so
he didn't make that one. :1984' Social Security went to $37, 800, Ray Dean went
to $37,000, plus $3,000 and .1985 Social Security went to $39,600 and Ray Dean
went to $38, 000, $41,000. I'll. let you decide that one. I understand he's going
to retire in a couple years, right? What he told me. Oh, one more thing. I
went to this chart. You'll get to know me later on, I have a sense of humor.
The Christmas Tree, we call this in my plant, a Christmas Tree, who's in
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charge and the whole thing--the Organization Chart. Highway Supervisor
Ray Dean, elected two years, F know. that. PL!blic Works Commissioner. Now
they go back and tell you what that's` supposed to mean. Says here, Super-
intendent of Highways, Commissioner of Public Works: Has charge of all Town
roads, oversees repairs, snow removal, highways crews and specs, approves
the roads which are to be deed to the Town, the Town Disposal Area is under
the care and is operated as a sanitary landfill system. Does not tell you anything
in here. what .a Public Works Commissioner does. It tells you here with a Highway
Supervisor does. I still: haven't .been convinced what a Public 'Works Commissioner
does and -I never will; but at '$3"000. When you look in any other Town, right
on the chart here, none of them have it: I. called Brookhaven Town one day and
they said;"What are you talking about, Public Works Commissioner, what are you
talking about?" I said,"You got a Public Works Commissioner?" They said,"No, what
do you need a Public Works Commissioner for?" Like I said once beforel, 1 made
Paul laugh at this one. A Public Works Commissioner described in the dictionary
is for bridges and dams. You don't have no dams here unless and it rains and
we get flooded out here,. which I realize we do have sometimes. I'm getting into
that next year at my meetings, .1 mean this year at my meetings, on a lot of water
problems. In the future I'll have' them. One more thing I. want to say before I
leave here tonight. I want to explain how I operate. I've never explained to
you people, ladies and gentlemen of the Board, how I operate. I fight for what
believe in, truth, fairness, justice and being honest. That's all I fight for.
1 have people come to me many times,, come to me on problems on the Highway
Department. Don't see me,. call Ray Dean, but they come to me. "Frank, we
got a lot of water down in Breakwater Road in Mattituck. Inlet." "Hey, Frank,
we can't find -our sidewalks in' Laurel." Oh, hell, they've been there for many
years,. call Ray Dean. "Hey, Frank, we've got water here." Frank, we've got
this; we've got that. Why they come to me.for, I don't know. Sometimes I'll
take the case, if 'it 'involves. safety,. I'll take the case. Sometimes I won't. But,
getting back to what I believe in'. I'm not the type to sit home and read the
newspaper and then walk around Town and. complain. 11111 come to the source,
and that is 'you people, the Board, and I'll tell you why. I'll tell you to your
face what I think, I. won't say anything behind your back and I'm not afraid
of anything and I speak the .truth or 1 wouldn't be here. I'm not that foolish
to come up here and make statements I. can't back up. This 'is what I believe.
in' fighting for what is 'right for the people, and I'll go out of my way to fight
for people and I proved that on the bridge and. curve. It wasn't all me that
done that, it was the people that worked with me did that, the 2860 people that
worked as a team to get that work done on the bridge and that curve straightened
out and another year from now that bridge is going to be raised in April. The
tracks have already been raised already. As soon as the weather is warm the
bridge is going to be' raised and it 'was the people who done it.' I only sort
of managed it; but it 'was the 286'0 people who we have to .thank for that, who
signed that petition. We got the job done. And I'll explain that later in',the
future. I got a lot of plans, but I'll explain' that in'the future. And I'll also
explain, when there's enough people--there's not enough people here tonight,
to explain'why I'm on Ray Dean's back. I'll explain'that, but it will take. about
.45 minutes to do it, the whole story what happened. He did .something to., me
once and. I got on his 'back for .that, two years ago. I've never forgotten, and
that's the reason why 1 took notice of him and I'm coming up with a lot of
interesting things. So that is 'what I have to say tonight until the next meeting.
But one more thing--a little sense of.humor before I leave.
FROM THE AUDIENCE: What do you think .about the airport?
MR. CARLIN : Well, I tell you the truth---.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Frank, you're addressing the Board, would you please?
MR. CARLIN : I'm sorry I haven't. studied it 'that- much.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: You talk to .the gentleman after on that.
MR. CARLIN : I'll .talk to you later on that. Thanks, Frank. Just before
Christmas I was having dinner with my wife and says, "Frank, what would you
like Santa Claus to bring you for Christmas?" Didn't have to take too long and
says, "Honey, I'd like Santa Claus, the most' important th'i.ng to bring me next
year in' 1985 is Mr. Ray Dean here at these Board meetings so I. can debate him
at night." Thank you. _
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Frank, thank you. It's. very good to have you back here
for the new years and Happy New Year. Let me answer a• couple things for you
quickly. 1 do appreciate the work you did on the safety improvements in'the
very serious area in Laurel, by the Laurel Bridge, right where you live. Secondly,
the Chief of Police is the highest paid'official in Southold Town, and thirdly, on
your request for street lights, the Town did act very rapidly on this: This was
an area that should be lit up. Unfortunately, all of the accidents that happened--
the lights would not have changed it.' The last accident was involving a little
bit of extra drink and hitting a rock in'the middle of a road on a motorcycle late
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at night. Most all iof these accidents, on the official' police report, had other
reasons for it.' . The Town is very much aware of this-'condition, the Town did
install the light. as soon as we could- purchase it and put it 'up. Unfortunately,
LILCO has yet to put the juice on--turn the juice on and if you- could do anything
to speed that up the Town would appreciate it: Thank you. Is there anyone---
MR. CARLIN: Could I make a rebuttal on that, please?
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Use the mike, please, for the record.
MR. CARLIN : Number one I did' not say.--my comment was not how long it took
to put the light up, I know that. My main' comment was she didn't have the power
to it. That.was my main' subject on that.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: We've had this problem over the years.
MR. CARLIN: .1 know. It took a while to get the light up there, but that wasn't
my main:objective. My main' objective was to see that the power gets on the light,
and when I said'about the highest person I meant the Board, I didn't mean--I know
Danny Winters makes $45,'000, 1 know that, I didn't mean him'. I excluded him.
meant the Town Board. He's separate from the Town Board. He's Police Chief.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Ray Dean is 'not a member of the Town Board.
MR. CARLIN: What is he a member of?
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: He's Highway Commissioner.
MR. CARLIN: Highway Commission? Who's the Supervisor?
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Highway Superintendent.
MR. CARLIN: Highway Superintendent.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: It's .an elected position.
MR. CARLIN : He's elected by the people.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY : Right. He's not a voting member of the Town Board.
MR. CARLIN: But he belongs here, right? If this gentleman comes from Fishers
Island here---
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: He's a member of the Town Board. He's a voting member
of the Town Board.
MR. CARLIN: . Then what are we paying Dean for?
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Being the Highway Superintendent. Okay, is 'there anyone
else in the middle would like to address the Board?
LISA VISSER, Mattituck: I'm here to speak against the airport. I realize this 'is '
not the appropriate evening so I'll .wait and come back, but I wondered if it would
be possible to arrange an additional presentation, as you will have at 9:30 in'the
morning, for those of us who. can only .be here in' the evening? I mean, I can come
here any evening-
SUPERVISOR
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SUPERVISOR MURPHY : Lisa, I think if the Town Board decides when they hear
the presentation that we want to have additional public 'hearings, the Town Board
will' authorize' the expenditure.
MS.. VISSER: I didn't realize there was an expenditure involved.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Yes, there is:
MS. VISSER: Thank you.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Is .there anyone else in'the middle who would like to
address the Board? (No response.) Is there anyone on the right would like
to address the Board? Sir?
MR. TOM SHERRAN, Bridge Lane, Cutchogue: I think that this 'is appropriate
time to speak about the airport. I think that the only time to talk about it 'is at
these meetings. The only time we're going to get any type of answers from you,
Mr. Murphy, and the rest of the Town Board is if we at- least let you know how
we feel. 11m. sure once you get that presentation you will--I would hope that
you would enlighten the rest of the public'as to what the plans are for this
airport. I also hope that one of the pilots, if 'this airport is approve, doesn't
have a little too much to drink and we have a major. crisis: Thank you.
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SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Thank you. Is there anyone else would like to address
the Town.Board? Yes, -sir?
MR. DON STARON, Peconic: I would also like to address the Board on the issue
of the airport. At some of the hamlet meetings we asked for a referendum of the
people in the room on 'how they felt about the airport and the overwhelming majority
was against it and at that time Mr. Spohn said' that .the issue will not be decided
in this manner. I hope what was meant by that is that we are not going to have
any input as taxpayers, because it.lis our right .and our duty to see that we don't
spoil this .area and I'd just like to say that there will be a lot of people who would
like to have a lot of input in this 'matter and it shouldn't be just decided by a few.
Thank you.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Thank you.' John?
MR. JOHN STANKEWICZ, Peconic: I've lived in' Peconic '58 years and everybody's
worried .about the site. What I want to know is"who wants the airport? Why worry
about the site. We should first find out if 'we want an airport before we spend the
money on looking for a site.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Thank you, John. Is there anyone else on the right would
like to address the Board? (No response.) Anyone else in the audience? Mr.
Kujawski.
MR. FRANK KUJAWSKI, Southold Town Trustee, Deputy Supervisor: I'm very happy
-to be a Trustee tonight. I am disappointed and if it's• correct, I just want to point
out to the Board hopefully that we can do something about this. Is it correct to
assume that there. were two $50.00 fines given out for the first two Wetland violations
by our judicial system, is 'that correct?
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: I believe that's so, Frank,' and this 'is 'being looked into by
the Board.
MR. KUJAWSKI : Okay. 1 think it's a. very serious situation and almost, ins some
ways it sets a dangerous precedent that for $59.'00 a person can violate this
ordinance.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: I think the entire Town Board realizes this and we are
looking into it.'
MR. KUJAWSKI: Good. Thanks a lot.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY:. -We will' be working with the Trustees on this.
MR. KUJAWSKI: Good.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY; Is there anyone else would like to address the Town Board?
(No response.) If not, I would like to thank everybody for attending tonights
meeting. It was, I think, most productive and the Town Board certainly'is
receptive to hearing anyone's .comments at any time and glad you took the time to
come out. At this time I'd .like to entertain a motion to adjourn. .
Moved by Councilman Stoutenburgh, seconded by Councilwoman Cochran, it was
RESOLVED that this Town Board meeting be and hereby is adjourned at 8:55 P.M.
Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilwoman Cochran, Councilman Schondebare,
Councilman Stoutenburgh, Justice Edwards, Councilman Townsend, Supervisor Murphy.
This 'resolution was declared duly ADOPTED.
Judith T. Terry
Southold Town Clet-