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HomeMy WebLinkAboutTB-11/13/1987-S 401 SOUTHOLD TOWN BOARD SPECIAL MEETING NOVEMBER 13, 1987 WORK SESSION 3:00. P.M. - Present: Supervisor Francis J. Murphy, Justice Raymond W. Edwards, Councilman Paul Stoutenburgh, Councilman James A. Schondebare, Councilwoman Jean W. Cochran, Town Clerk Judith T. Terry, Community Development Administrator James C. McMahon. Absent: Councilman George L. Penny IV.. Also present: Deputy Supervisor Frank A. Kujawski, Jr. All Town Board members were notified of the time and purpose of this Special Meeting and executed a Waiver of Notice, with the exception of Councilman George L. Penny, IV. , who was notified in Maryland by telephone on .November 12, 1987 of the time and purpose of the meeting, and verbally waived notice of the Special Meeting to the Supervisor and Town Clerk. SUPERVISOR MURPHY: 1 spoke to John Sheridan. He was away and he came back on Thursday morning, and Jim and I spoke to him. He said, "No, you cannot change the application, or you stand a very, very good chance, of losing it. And no, don't sign it after November 15th, or again you stand..a-very good of..chance of losing it." The money was very tight. Hie-was very surprised that we got any money down .in .this district., .:he said, "Don't do anything that would ,put it in jeopardy." COMM. DEV. ADMIN.. McMAHON : The.r_e.-were 200 applications that were turned down and probably .if I knew there was going to be any opposition to this as proposed-- the reason why I proposed it this way as really a joint application--we had an applica- tion into the. New York State Parks and Recreation and Historic Preservation people for their Environmental Quality Bond Act money, and in addition to that a grant in to the New York State DEC for their Environmental Quality Bond Act money, and if I had given a little bit more thought, or knew there was going to be -any. opposition to it, what. I would have done is put money in Parks and money in Boat Launching Access, which is the DEC portion of it. But--really what you need to have this cost the Town little or nothing,-.is a combination of the two grants, because this amount of money here isn't really enough to purchase the property, and the DEC money is really not enough to purchase the property. It's really the combination of the two. The only question, and it's not one that I can answer now, because I really don't know. In addition to the Carey Tank Farm, or the DEC money, I put in the acquisition of the Truman Beach property, if everybody's familiar . with that, out in Orient. That does now have an existing ramp on it. However'; it's private property. The property is for sale and it was one of the areas, again, that the 'DEC looked at as a fishing access to Long Island Sound, which there are very few, between here and I don't know where--I think the closest one is Iron Pier, and that's only. . . .and as 1 say, that's a Town ramp. SUPERVISOR MURPHY : Maybe in Port Jeff. , or the other one that I know of is Sunken Meadow .would be the only one. COMM. DEV. ADMIN_ McMAHON : And the State ramps are in Jamesport and the Park. I know. . . . . . . COUNCILMAN SCHONDEBARE : How much is your DEC one that you have? COMM. DEV. ADMIN. McMAHON : The State's $225,000. COUNCILMAN SCHONDEBARE : What is DEC? COMM. DEV.*' ADMI N. McMAHON : The DEC was---and I spoke to Bill McGrody-- he and: I took a. ride around looking at all of the sites that were listed--it's roughly about the same amount. COUNCILMAN STOUTENBURGH : Is it agreeable that you could utilize both these for the same project? COUNCILMAN SCHONDEBARE : You putlin. for the DEC for $230,000? And you put in for the State Parks $225,000, right? So that's $455,000. COMM. DEV. ADMIN. McMAHON : It should be enough. 402 NOVEMBER 13, 1987 SUPERVISOR MURPHY : In a way it might be enough. We're not sure what the property will be. It's going to be expensive. And the other costs on it that are going to have to be picked up locally, or picked up somewhere, is the taking down of the tanks, and to clean up the gasoline that's been on that site. That material will probably have to be taken out. of there. COUNCILMAN SCHONDEBARE : Oh, you got to take that all that out. That's the whole idea. COUNCILWOMAN COCHRAN : $450,000 for the DEC. COUNCILMAN SCHONDEBARE : Oh, $450,000 for the DEC and $225,000 for the State. So now you've got $675,000. COMM. DEV. ADMIN. McMAHON : Now, we.'re not sure we get the entire amount. SUPERVISOR MURPHY : To do all the entire work. COMM. DEV. ADMIN. McMAHON : One of the things that I look at. . . . COUNCILMAN STOUTENBURGH : . You didn't answer my question. Can you utilize both these for the.same project? COMM. DEV. ADMIN. McMAHON : Yes. COUNCILMAN STOUTENBURGH : That's agreeable with them? COMM. DEV. ADMIN. McMAHON : Yes. SUPERVISOR MURPHY : If say -Truman Beach, if the negotiations fail, and the guy never wanted to sell, would you be able--and we got, say we got that grant-- would be -we able to take that grant..and put it on Mattituck Inlet? COUNCILMAN STOUTENBURGH : That's what I 'm asking. COMM. DEV. ADMIN. McMAHON : Oh, I 'm sorry, with the DEC we have more than one project. We have the Truman Beach. We have the Carey property. We have fixing the bulkhead at Klipp Park. SUPERVISOR MURPHY : What Paul is say is if we got most of their money and approved on the grant and say the Truman Beach fell through, would we be able to use that money then in the Carey Tank Farm? COMM. DEV. ADMIN. McMAHON : I don't think so. COUNCILMAN SCHONDEBARE : . Do we have to take the $450,000 you're for and divide it up amongst these projects that you've asked for? COUNCILMAN STOUTENBURGH : That's what I 'm trying to learn. COMM. D'EV. ADMIN. McMAHON : The $450,000 is only for the Carey Tank Farm. COUNCILWOMAN COCHRAN : Each .one has a different price to it. SUPERVISOR MURPHY : It's two grants. COUNCILWOMAN COCHRAN : Carey's is $450,000.- Goldsmith's Inlet is $25,000. Klipp Park is $35,000. So they're individual requests for each project. COUNCILMAN SCHONDEBARE : And your question was if one of those things fell through, could we take that money and put it toward the Carey property. COUNCILMAN STOUTENBURGH : Yes. SUPERVISOR--MURPHY : Probably not. COMM. DEV. ADMIN. MCMAHON : The DEC's biggest concern is the lack of fishing. access to, Long Island Sound, and that's why they like Truman's Beach; and that's why they like the Carey property. The guy has--Bill McGrody--has relatives that live in Greenport-. He's familiar with the problems at Klipp Park, and he felt that one also was one that could use some attention. One of the things--and really I don't know. whether I. said -it last time I ' met with the Town Board--i-ss that--and think Jean was there when were discussing -it--there- is on paper at least, other uses proposed for that Carey property and the property adjoining it.. It has already . been at least on paper put down as a possible motel site. Motel-restaurant site. It's a Marine II District., and that by Special Exception would be allowed in that property: O.ne of the things that I think, and I haven't talked to the people in NOVEMBER 13, 1987 403 the Captain Kidd or the Mattituck Fis ersmenis Association, and I don't know how many members are actually in opposition to it--but one of the things, and it's not only the Mattituck property, or any other property in Town, I think also has to. be lookedat. One of the things that I 've seen here since I've been on the North Fork is that as the regulations as far as beaches are concerned tightened in Western Suffolk, we get people from all over coming out to the East End because we really don't have any rules and regulations for road ends as far as who can park there, and one. . . . SUPERVISOR MURPHY: We found this five years in the Mattituck Park District-- five years ago. COMM. DEV. ADMIN. McMAHON : One of the things I noticed, and I go to Bailies Beach at least once a week, that there are people from New Jersey and all over-- scuba drivers and people zipping up and down the beaches in. four-wheel drive vehicles--there's no regulations or there's no monitoring. In any one of these sites--but let's take Mattituck as an example--the DEC says, and the State says, that if you want to have a seasonal permit of .$40. 00 to. use that site, you can charge a non-resident--and it has to be open to non7residents--$80. 00 to use that site. You can double whatever fee you charge the resident--you can double it. Instead of having 50 parking spaces up there for boat launching, if that's agreeable, you put 10 or 15 stalls where people park, and you. have somebody there at the gate to monitor, and you don't allow the thing to be abused. SUPERVISOR MURPHY : You don't allow boats all over the place. COUNCILMAN STOUTENBURGH : Put Jack Lake down there. SUPERVISOR MURPHY : Yes, Jack Lake would do it. COMM. DEV. ADMIN. McMAHON : You need somebody there who's going to say, okay the ramp is open from 7:00 o'clock'ih the morning to 10:00 o'clock at night and there are only 15 spots available, but what you would also have to do is put. some either tow-away zones in the surrounding roads, or put no parking areas. . . SUPERVISOR MURPHY : And we control that--the Town. COUNCILMAN SCHONDEBARE : You'd have to have somebody down there at 4:00 in the morning for the fishermen. COMM. DEV. ADMIN. McMAHON : It's locked. COUNCILMAN SCHONDEBARE : If you're going to have a boat launching ramp you're going to need it open for the fishermen. SUPERVISOR MURPHY : No, no, it doesn't have to be open 24 hours a day. COMM. DEV. ADMIN. McMAHON.: The one at Mattituck Park District is locked. COUNCILMAN STOUTENBURGH : If it's a fishing thing why do you lock it? There's no reason to lock it. SUPERVISOR MURPHY :' Paul, if you have limited parking, yes you can. COUNCILMAN STOUTENBURGH : Get Jack Lake down there at 5:30 in the morning. He's there and by golly nobody gets in the-re. COUNCILMAN SCHONDEBARE : You need another Jack Lake. .. COUNCILWOMAN COCHRAN : That's what you're -going to need. COMM. DEV. ADMIN. McMAHON : But you could also contract it out, rather than have a Town employee there you could contract it out. COUNCILWOMAN COCHRAN : But it can be controlled by the amount of parking. COUNCILMAN SCHONDEBARE : How much is the property worth, that's-what I want to know. Wha[ls the bottom line? COMM. DEV.- ADMIN. McMAHON : I would -estimate under $400,000., 1 would guess. . . SU ERVISOR MURPI'Y !� - don't know if it would be that high because of:his liability F ­ of the tanks and the sand. COUNCILMAN SCHONDEBARE : How many acres? COMM. DEV. ADMIN. McMAHON : One point two. 404 NOVEMBER 13, 1987 Remember he's got a liability) He has to take those tanks down. COMM. DEV. ADMIN. McMAHON : What ever's developed there. Let's say somebody bought it to put a house there. You're next to a asphalt tank, and you're next to a public beach, and that's why I think $375,000 is probably a fairly realistic price of what it's worth, not considering the liability and the taking the tanks down, which I estimated..) think at somewhere around $50,000. COUNCILMAN SCHONDEBARE : Now, the State's money to us is a matching grant, is it not? We've got to come up with the other half? COMM. DEV. ADMIN. McMAHON : The other half--where I wanted to use the other half is DEC money. SUPERVISOR MURPHY : We were talking of taking part of the- DEC grant to put up the other half of the State grant. COMM. DEV. ADMIN. McMAHON : And the DEC said what they, would encourage us to do, because they didn't want to spend a lot of their money, is they would work with us to get Environmental Quality Bond Act money for the removal of the tanks. COUNCILMAN STOUTENBURGH : Sure, that's what its meant for. SUPERVISOR MURPHY: I thought it would be crazy to pass this opportunity up. COUNCILWOMAN COCHRAN : Jim, if any point along the way, depending on the costs and so forth, we do not have to accept this grant? I mean,if we approved for you to go ahead, Frank, and sign this today, if there's things down the road, arewe. . . . . SUPERVISOR MURPHY : Jean, if we used the full amount of the grant. . .say we . used the full amount of the grant to buy this property and start doing some of the work down there, and we run out of money, there's no obligation that you have to continue to put two million dollars- into the project. COUNCILWOMAN COCHRAN : No, also what-I 'm asking is, if we approve going ahead and giving you the authority to sign this, is there any point in time that we can refuse those funds? I mean, are we obligated 100o to this if we-accepted at this point? SUPERVISOR MURPHY : I think you could get a -better answer from the guy who's. coming, the grant person, on Tuesday. COUNCILMAN STOUTENBURGH : Oh, he's coming on Tuesday? I thought he was coming today. COMM. DEV. ADMIN. McMAHON : I mean basically this condition of award says that you'll abide by---or the Town will submit an Affirmative Action Plan, we'll take Lead Agency, and we'll have the property apprai,sed and give them a general site map. That's all the conditions, and we'll probably notify the Historic Preservation field office that. . . . COUNCILWOMAN COCHRAN : You feel confident that we're going ,to get the DEC grant also? COMM. DEV. ADMIN. McMAHON : In talking to Bill McGrody he felt very confident that it would be coming. This isn't going to happen--especially with the DEC money-- over night. I would estimate that the DEC money is going to be freed up within - - the next eight months, ten months. And that portion--I mean, you can't do one" without the other. I 'd rather use their money then our money. SUPERVISOR MURPHY : But I don't think we would ever get through with the final application on this--the award and the negotiations with Carey by that time-- by the time the DEC money is freed up. COUNCI LMAN STOUTENBURGH : Good Lord, you'll. be through the courts for a year or two. COUNCILMAN SCHONDEBARE : Yes, unless the property is for sale. COMM. DEV. ADMIN. McMAHON : It was for sale. 1- don't think it's been taken off the market. It has been explored--that and the adjoining piece have been explored-- if.yau add the two. of them up I think you're somewhere around five--you're. at the magic motel number. NOVEMBER 13, 1987 O SUPERVISOR MURPHY :' And then plus the asphalt tanks are thrown in there. That's the vacant piece between Carey and that you're talking about. Then you got the asphalt tanks and then you got Colonial. You got a potential of a very large development down at that Inlet. COUNCILWOMAN COCHRAN : Who owns the asphalt tanks? SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Same Allen, Municipal Machinery, and he's just sitting. saw him with Ray Jacobs the other day, Ray's looking for a knuckle-boom loader, and we were talking about it, and he's just sitting on it. He hasn't sold the asphalt in the tanks even. COUNCI LWOMAN COCHRAN : Well, I took--another ride up there this morning and it's a mess. You can't deny that. I'm not a engineer so I can't stand here and swear that it's not feasible for a boat ramp, but I think anything is better then the tank farm condition up there. SUPERVISOR MURPHY: That's one thing in our favor, Jean.' They can never be used for gas storage any more. They have to come out. COMM. DEV. ADMIN. McMAHON : I think if the people in the community in that particular area knew that the other alternative for that site is a motel-restaurant, and if the concern is traffic, it certain. . . . . COUNCILWOMAN COCHRAN : Well, that's part of my rationalizing is if you can control the parking once .this is developed, it certainly. . . SUPERVISOR MURPHY: The parking can't spill out on to your neighbors. COMM. DEV. ADMIN. McMAHON : It has to be enclosed in the fenced-in area. COUNCILWOMAN COCHRAN : And we can control it with ten, eight, twelve. . . . . SUPERVISOR MURPHY : Whatever is a logical layout of the parking for the size of the property, that's all you could use. COMM. DEV. ADMIN. McMAHON : What I would like to see--not the entire parcel-- developed as a--I think a park there, picnic table and people sit there and have their lunch and see the boat traffic going back and forth. SUPERVISOR MURPHY : It's a beautiful spot. Plus the fishing on .the rocks. You go down at different times of the year there's hundreds of people on that jetty. COUNCI LMAN STOUTENBURGH : By the way, that's something else we should- be pursuing, is getting;the Army Corps to improve that jetty that's been washed out there. When we had the Army Corps down there looking at it years ago, that was one of the things they said, this needs repair, we will have to be doing some- thing about this. So I think if we wrote them a letter--told them that we were purchasing. this property, contemplating -it or what have you, and we realize that it's washing out 'in back, would they come down and take a look to see if they could put it on their list. COUNCILWOMAN COCHRAN : Paul, when I was down .there this morning it was low tide, which leaves quite a strip of beach--you know, not 500 feet, but a healthy beach. COUNCILMAN STOUTENBURGH : That was all dug out at one time. They used to have.. . COUNCILWOMAN COCHRAN : How deep is that channel there? I 'm just. talking in terms of docking. Certainly we'd have to take into consideration your low tide to put a ramp in, right? It's quite deep right there? COUNCILMAN- STO.UTENBURGH : Eight .feet. DEPUTY SUPERVISOR KUJAWSKI : The ..water runs through so fast because of` the great volume is the other end. Just on the exchange of the tides it goes through and just carves itself a gourge. It's probably 25 feet in the middle of the channel. COMM. DEV. ADMIN`. McMAHON : Actually I 've seen kids at low tide--you can almost walk .across it. DEPUTY SUPERVISOR KUJAWSKI : Except for that one narrow strip. : Really it - needs a lot of. maintenance. The Army Corps has not been in there in years and years and years. SUPERVISOR MURPHY : The last time was when the. sand blew all in. 4 O 6 NOVEMBER 13, 1987 COMM. DEV. . McMAHON : I was out there this summer and saw that there were .three very young kids and I thought I was.. going to have to get wh�_-n the started to swim from one s.ide to the other. SUPERVISOR MURPHY: We should ask John Guldi, maybe, to do some soundings to ask for that dredging again, because that's a Federal waterway. DEPUTY SUPERVISOR .KUJAWSKI : You'd have to have the Army Corps of Engineers because it is Federal. COUNCILWOMAN COCHRAN : Have you checked with an engineer as far as feasibility of a ramp in that particular location? The width? Id' doesn't seem like a wide width through there, and if you have your channel and boats are coming down-- and with that low tide. i DEPUTY SUPERVISOR KUJAWSKI : Paul, didn't you have--didn't the Trustees have the guy out of the Riverhead office go down and look at it. In the corner, launching from the east from the corner, like where the tanks are right now. You reallydon't have_a problem. You've got quite a long stretch that's away from the channel. COUNCILMAN STOUTENBURGH : The ramp is not a wide thing. It's 12 feet wide, that's all you need COUNCILWOMAN COCHRAN : I 'm not thinking wide, I 'm t-hinking length. You're going to need a long length to get out there to the depth of the water. COMM. DEV. ADMIN. McMAHON : I 've walked out there with my shorts on this summer. It's a sandy bottom, and it doesn't really drop off--I mean, to float a boat you're only talking what two, three feet to float it and then once you float it--what people do like the Mattituck Ramp is tie it up and come to the dock and load all their junk into it, and by that time somebody takes the trailer and parks. it. COUNCILMAN STOUTENBURGH : That's one of the things that's going to limit the use of that, it's not going to be available at all tides. You're going to find you're not going to get in and out of there because it will continually fill in there ] think. ' CO.UNCI_LWOMAN-._CO.C_HRAN : And on all tides. SUPERVISOR MURPHY : But it is a safe access for an emergency and you are close to it coming in or out in a storm. COUNCILMAN STOUTENBURGH : Our Bay constable, I spoke to him two days ago right in his office here, and asked if I could quote him, and he said, "Absolutely." He said, "It's absolutely one of the best ideas we could have. " He sayd, "I need it. I put my boat.: in the other end, I come up in the'evening or when it's dark.-. 40 miles an hour for an emergency," he said, "Some kid or something could come out and we'll have another problem like we had in there." He said, "It's the place it should be." So I really think we should consider this as a safety factor, number one. We've got quick access to the Sound if there's an emergency out there. DEC who's marine people also have a letter, and you have ',it,in your records, said they would favor it for that reason, that they could get out into the Sound in a hurry. So there's safety reasons. Now a pleasure boat, we have all kinds of people interested in it for pleasure. DEPUTY SUPERVISOR KUJAWSKI•:. Did you get a 'letter from the Chamber of Commerce? TOWN CLERK TERRY: Yes. Certified Mail, Return Receipt. It's in everybody's mail box. We've had several letters. DEPUTY .SUPERVISOR KUJAWSKI : The reason I 'm bringing that up is that Ginny Marquett mentioned to me today that she hoped at least that the Board had gotten the letter. When they kicked this around they said this is going to help out down- . - town too because the fishing people are -going to 'go and launch-near the Sound, encouraging more sailboats to come down and use the lbasin and the facilities there and walk into town. So they felt it would be good for them. COUNCILWOMAN COCHRAN : Twelve more people, not fifty. TOWN CLERK TERRY: The letters are in your mail box and on the agenda for the next' meeting. COUNC.1 LMAN SCHONDEBARE : The resolution says, "Mattituck Inlet Park". TOWN CLERK TERRY:-. The resolution. reads the way ;the letter from Parks, Recreation and Historic -said,, "We are pleased to inform you. .matching grant reserved for . NOVEMBER 13, 1987 407 the acquisition of Mattituck Inlet. Park:°:,_,.And__then if- you'll look at the top of the . Conditions of Award, "Mattituck Inlet Park Project #4013." That's what Frank's signing. So I 'm using that term because that's what he's signing. COUNCILMAN STOUTENBURGH : Like Gull Pond, when you think of Gull Pond, the ramp is a small part of Gull Pond. Gull Pond is a park area, the Klipp Memorial Park area, and there is a ramp in there. COUNCILMAN SCHONDEBARE : We have to accept these conditions by? SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Sunday. COUNCILWOMAN COCHRAN : It's got to be done today. COUNCILMAN SCHONDEBARE : And those are the conditions that I just read, that's on the award you sign? SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Yes. COMM. DEV. ADMIN. McMAHON : And we'll have an Affirmative Action Plan. The Town will take Lead Agency if necessary, and also there should be a second resolution to have the property appraised. TOWN CLERK TERRY : Who are you going to engage? COMM. DEV. ADMIN. McMAHON : Who does the Farmland? TOWN CLERK TERRY : Andy Stype has been doing some. COUNCILMAN STOUTENBURGH : I wonder if we should use Andy Stype, only in the sense I think this is going to be challanged, and I think we want to have some- body very good--not that Andy isn't--but,-somebody's whose good on waterfront. SUPERVISOR MURPHY : Why don't we get two appraisals. TOWN CLERK TERRY : The other one was Edson, he has done appraisals for the Board. SUPERVISOR MURPHY : We used Edson. Why don't we use Edson and Stype. Get two. COUNCILMAN STOUTENBURGH : I don't think these are the people I'm talking about. A professional person from the West End who's involved in waterfront appraisals. . . . COMM. DEV. ADMIN. McMAHON : We saw how they appraised though, Paul, when we saw how they appraised Orient Point for less then the guy paid for it. COUNCILMAN STOUTENBURGH : That's what I 'm afraid of. COMM. DEV. ADMIN. McMAHON : No, those were from the West End. I think these guys are familiar with East End prices and I've seen the appraisals that Lew Edson has done before--he's done some for Community Development and I don't ever have any problem. He's pretty much on the money. SUPERVISOR MURPHY : li.:think they're pretty realistic on the availability of water, Paul, and with potential values. Why don't we get the two. COMM. DEV. ADMIN. :McMAHON : Some of the other appraisals--we put them together-- you'd think that they copied each other's homework. They come in very close. COUNCILWOMAN COCHRAN : Then why don't we need .two then. SUPERVISOR MURPHY : Just for the negotiations for Mr. Carey, so he, can't say that' we stacked it up. COUNCI LMAN SCHONDEBARE : Yes, let's get two. No problem. SUPERVISOR MURPHY : Okay, let's open the meeting. Any other questions on it? (No response.) 408 NOVEMBER 13, 1987 SPECIAL MEETING 3:40 P.M. SUPERVISOR MURPHY :, Let's open the meeting. We have only two resolutions. One is to execute the acceptance of Conditions of Award for the proposed Mattituck Inlet Park Project #4013. 1 offer that resolution. I.-Moved by Supervisor Murphy, seconded by Councilman Stoutenburgh, it was RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby authorizes and directs Supervisor Francis J. Murphy to execute the acceptance of the Conditions of Award for the proposed Mattituck Inlet Park Project #4013 with respect to the matching grant of $225,000 which has been reserved by the State of New York Parks, Recreation and Historic Preservation, Albany, ;for the acquisition of the Carey Resources Inc. property, Luther's Road, Mattituck, for. a proposed park. SUPERVISOR MURPHY : Any questions? (No response.) 1.-Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilwoman Cochran, Councilman Schondebare, Councilamn Stoutenburgh, Justice Edwards, Supervisor Murphy. This resolution was declared duly ADOPTED. SUPERVISOR MURPHY : Okay; the second is a resolution.-to hire the Stype Agency and Lewis Edson Agency to do an appraisal on the said property. COUNCILWOMAN COCHRAN : Question. I have a little business to continue to give business to someone's that sitting on our insuance. He's not coming through. SUPERVISOR MURPHY : 1 don't know if it's the Agency, or if it's the home office. TOWN CLERK TERRY: Andy doesn't do the insurance end of it. COUNCILMAN SCHONDEBARE : It's two .different ones, isn't it? It's two brothers. One does . insurance and one does real estate. SUPERVISOR MURPHY : Andy and his father were doing the real estate. I don't think it's the Agency. I think the problem is the home office. COUNCILWOMAN COCHRAN : I believe he said it's Stype sitting on it too. SUPERVISOR MURPHY : They've had some real personal problems. COUNCILMAN SCHONDEBARE : I think you could find a few brokers, couldn't you, if you wanted to look around Town. Get obt the Yellow Pages. TOWN CLERK TERRY.: Do you want to withdraw that and think of someone else? COUNCILMAN SCHONDEBARE : No, Jean said she'd go with it. 2.-Moved by Supervisor Murphy, seconded by Councilwoman Cochran, it was RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southld hereby engages :the services of Andrew Stype, Stype Brothers Real Estate, Inc. , and Lewis Edson, First Town Realty, to conduct appraisals of the Carey Resources, Inc. property, Luther's Road, Mattituck, New York, with respect to the proposed Mattituck Inlet Park Project #4013, State of New York Parks, Recreation and Historic Preservation matching grant. 2.-Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilwoman Cochran, Councilman Schondebare, Councilman Sotutenburgh, Justice Edwards, Supervisor Murphy. This resolution was declared duly ADOPTED. SUPERVISOR MURPHY : Okay, a resolution to close is in order. Moved by Councilwoman Cochran, seconded by Councilman Schondebare, it was RESOLVED that this Special Town Board Meeting be. and .hereby is adjourned at 3: 45 P.M. Vote of the Town Board : Ayes: Councilwoman Cochran, Councilman Schondebare, Councilman Stoutenburgh, Justice Edwards, Supervisor Murphy. This resolution was declared-duly ADOPTED. Judith T. Terry Southold Town Clerk